did you watch the video? they were attending meetings for multiple jobs at the same time. That means they were working 9-5 jobs at the same time. That's time stealing, and at least for all my work contracts I had to be fully available to the company for 9-5 each day.
@@YouJGSousa The tech space is a shitty place to work in regardless. If you're somewhat good at your job and can do things twice as fast as the average joe, your CEO won't pay you more for doing the extra work, instead the CEO will expect you to do more work while your colleague can keep eating out of his nose for the same pay
I always thought it was unfair that when leaving a job your expected to give at least 2 weeks notice otherwise it reflects poorly on you as an employee but you can be laid off or "fired at will" with zero notice and for doing nothing wrong.
Well, that's the issue of your country's labor laws though, that were collectively agreed on. Where I live, depending on the time you worked at the company, 2 weeks is bare minimum notice from either side, for people who work for less than 6 months. After that, it's 1-3 months.The only exception is being fired with cause or amicable dissolvement of the contract. I think there are some separate regulations for group firings too, but I can't recall from the top of my head.
I never give 2 weeks' notice. I work for money. I'm not there to suck anyone's dick or sniff someone's asshole. As soon as I want to quit, I do. Fuck telling them, I am am not and never was their friend.
They literally want you to be poor. In our mandatory "fraud" course, an example was "keeping a close eye on work colleagues who suspiciously improve their lifestyle" . "A new car? From what we are paying him? Report this suspicious activity to HR"
A family friend of mine worked at a large fencing company. One of their accountants suddenly started coming in with new handbags and a brand new 100k car. Told everyone she had received a large inheritance before leaving the company. A year later the new accountant discovered she'd stolen about 2 million from the company.
If I was the boss, anybody reporting another coworker to HR for “improving their lifestyle” would be fired on the spot. That’s Soviet activity and I wouldn’t trust anyone like that with my company
As a software engineer, I will inform folks right now that NOT every where you go will make you sign a non-compete. As with most jobs, it depends on where you go
Hahaha @jcfrules I'll let others decide that, but yea, I have no interest in working for those large, "prestigious" companies for many reasons, one being related this debate. I'd say I work in a mid-to-large size company, and there's no non-compete. There's also just tons of debate as to how fair non-competes are as a whole. It's kind of the whole reason courts will first look at the reasonableness of a non-compete before enforcing the document on a legal level. It's a piece of paper that can very easily disrupt one's lifestyle and flow of income even if they're approaching things in the most ethical way possible
Let’s be real here, if you have 2 jobs, you’re not really working 80 hours a week. We both know it, I’m a software engineer too. I think that’s what the ceo was mad about.
It's shitty that CEOs can and often do this. Some CEOs are known for breaking down and selling off parts of companies. However, what you're saying is not the same as what the people who got fired for.
Yes, if a company is projected to do poorly and they bring in a new CEO and give him bonus incentives to lose X amount less and he accomplishes it then he earned it by the contract between him and the board. Dumbass.
Im surprised no one thought of the obvious. They were probably stealing because the work hours were the same so they were doing 2 jobs at once and slacking...
My feeling is simple. If you want to retain talent. Pay them like you want to retain them. You can't tell me these people are being paid really well if they're seeking out a second job.
@@TuningAnApple the fact that you said salary. Shows me you're full of shit lol. Nobody is working 6 jobs at salary. I don't think you understand what a contract under salary is.
@TuningAnApple and let them hustle, isn't everything expensive in the US, I'm guessing with that much you can barely meet the necessities of a regular family.
I work at a certain grocery store on the east coast. Two years ago in the height of covid when staffing was nonexistent one of my friends who worked at another store was terminated. She was a full time employee, but she did part time work as a vendor going to various stores. This woman was not only exceptional at her job, but in the years I've been with the company (At various stores meeting other's with the position she held) none of the other people with her position can measure up to her work ethic and the results she put out. Problem was the district manager was buddy buddy with the store manager who disliked my friend. My friend traveled over a hundred miles (Crossing multiple states) to another district to help with new stores opening up. Upon her return she was given the ultimatum that she either picked our company or her part time work (The very one she openly admitted to doing for years, and just now it was a problem) so she left the company. So when Asmon says he doubts ceo's would get rid of good workers, I can blatantly say that's not necessarily true if work place politics are in place where egos override what's best for the corporation.
Work in a warehouse. Have a good leader\boss I respect. Mentioned I had to find a job on Sunday to be able to make it with new payments. Within a week he talked to all his upper people and got me a (reasonable) raise so I would be okay not needing the extra day, and not have to be exhausted coming in to the job I already work , suffer in both jobs, and have one less day with my family (I bust my ass I am hyperactive) that is what a good boss would do
But you was 1. informing him (these engineers did not) 2. intended working another job after your job at the warehouse. Not during your job at the warehouse. 3. was open to not get another job. These guys were not informing their current employee, doing their job during the working hours of the other job and were not open to negotiations at all.
@@FenrisEx true, not really similar situations at all you are doing a physical job, but the truth on this big companies, in the 2-3 that i've worked with, there are certain positions that are critical but don't really have any kind of upward mobility, and they usually need a very specific kind of person for the position, it takes time to be familiar with systems and the people you need to interact with to keep everything going smoothly, and if you get proficient at it, the best case scenario for the bosses, they don't have to look at you, you become invisible because you are doing your job well, it becomes repetitive, boring and in many cases you are paid to be vigilant, not really to do any kind of constant task, so you either watch some videos, read something, or if you want to make some more money you find another job cause IT certainly doesn't really pay more to people doing multiple positions.
@@FenrisEx most jobs would rather u walk than give u a raise.. u r told " i would but corporate said no".. happens all the time in health care.retail, food service, factories..etc. u all get the same wage EVEN IF U R LAZY.. hard work IS NOT rewarded. and now new hires r paid the same or more than a nurse/worker whos been on the schedule 14 yrs.. hiring budgets r bigger than retention budgets..
Unionize or quit and let the whole thing collapse on itself. Much like how products will never improve if ppl keep buying, jobs will never improve if people keep slaving away regardless of condition or pay.
@@0332288 - imagine working a job that keeps you so poor that quiting would make you lose everything. This is why many people get stuck propping up these corporations. What you're saying is akin to blaming consumers instead of recognizing the huge flaws built into the capitalist system. It's too easy to blame the bottom of society. Meanwhile you seem to completely ignore the architects of these societal issues. Maybe use your brain instead of throwing out generic blame.
I love how bosses expect you to be happy only doing what THEY want you to do, but they never offer as much benefits or reasons to ONLY be doing that instead of getting an additional job/quitting fo something better
@@ruskiessuck3337 Doesn't matter don't devalue the work people do and if you want them to be exclusive discuss what monetary amount that requires from you whether it be equity or residuals on the work done. I say this an an employer in the software development field. Just because other fields are underpaid doesn't mean you should bootlick. Are you an employer looking for cheap labor or are you just bootlicking for free? The first type I can understand where you're coming from as I employ people myself; if you're the second type you're a pathetic person.
@@xbabu142x IF THE TECH CEO FIRES YOU, most likely it is a smaller company, you are a local USA based employee and a seriously doubt you are doing ANYTHING but scamming the company. This does not sounds like some dude off FIVR or working in Pakistan/INDIA etc. That dude would be contract only. This is a ENGINEER job not burger flipping so focus on the article.
@@ruskiessuck3337 If there is no agreement that employee works EXCLUSIVELY for that company then where's a scamming? If someone works poorly then they fail their side of the contract, regardless if they work elsewhere or not.
Our professor was telling us about this a few weeks back. Specifically how working from home can drastically increase your income depeing on your living expenses and how multiple people would definitely work multiple sub par jobs because working 2 easy jobs that pay 65k is better than 1 difficult job at 90k.
working at home has saved me a fortune in gas and toll fees (if I dont take the toll to work into like a 2 hour drive, taking the toll is a 30 minute drive)
@@nicholasbrown668 Working from home has made me a ton of money but I do collision repair on cars- turns out when a driver only drives a few times a month they forget everything and become terrible drivers.
At the 5.08 mark the Manager's post is clearly visible. In this he says "This isn't about side-hustles of moonlighting. These were people holding down two, full-time synchronous jobs." Sure money is probably the motivating factor but trying to do two full time jobs at the same time is quite clearly dodgy.
Especially when you're expected to be handling on-call demands (IT, Remote Automation support, etc) while logging hours for development in-between. I've had coworkers in automation and control panel design do this shit on the clock. One was even fielding his own 'consultation' gig during working hours, where he was using the companies licenses and resources for remote support instead of working on the things he was provided the access for in a timely manner. His ladder code, branch sizing and troubleshooting skills were shoddy, because he spent a majority of time managing the illusion of progress, he wasn't practicing the skills he was marketing to others. With automation and electrical engineering jobs being chronically available in undesirable parts of the country, he'll always have work. @@Quotheraving
At software devlopment it really isn't, more often then not you can finish your job really fast then spend the rest of the week pretending you're still working on it. Speaking as someone with experience. @@Quotheraving
@@brunosouza3326 The fact that it is sometimes possible to finish a job ahead of schedule doesn't mean that its ok to take a second full time job. While there may be occasions when you finish early and could spend the rest of the time sitting on your hands it's those occasions where you can't, or even over-run, that matter. As mentioned in the article this situation was noticed because of the negative effects it had on their work - clearly the "I can manage it sometimes" argument has no legs.
CEO: Working 2 jobs is stealing Meanwhile Bloomberg: "Inflation Forces Over Half of Americans to Consider Second Jobs" Yeah, this position will fare so well in the current economy...
My brother works a remote job and says he gets his 8 hour work done in about 3 hours. I asked him why he doesn't just get a second job and and work both? Made him think for a second
@@mage1439 that's the kindof person my brother is. He is indeed content. I'm not a "sigma grindset" kindof person but if I could pull it off I would try to work two remote jobs at once
omg some poor lady pumping in what she thinks is an empty room when someone suddenly pops their drooling head out from under the table and goes "Didya bring enough for everyone..?!~"
@@Rhodair I had the image of super meat canyon or whatever his name is, the guy that did the horrific cartoons .. a guy in that style poping from beneath the table... Ure giving me nightmares trough power of my own imagination!
I work for 3 security firms. Apparently they don’t have a problem with it. The FTC announced that they will stop employers from using NDAs as a means to corner employees. The purpose is to drive down wages & costs of training. When they should be fair like they are supposed to be. Has nothing to do with the competition. Literally.
i worked at a home healthcare agency in california as what basically amounts to as a front desk secretary. my job was mainly to answer the phone, collect some info from the client, and determine who i should transfer them to. i also did additional paperwork and data entry work for the more qualified people who worked in the office. all that was well and good but the person who had my job before me would take the full 8hr day to do her work... i did it in the first 2 hrs of my day and then had nothing to do besides wait for the phone to ring. for being so good at my job i would get bitched at that i was just sitting around, so i asked what they would like me to work on. they either had no answer or told me to clean the office (we had janitors on staff that did that and it was no way in my job description). none the less i did do as i was told and cleaned up the office, since it took 20mins to an hour tops. when i finished i asked what they would like me to do next... they told me to do it again, i asked why, if i had done a bad job or i missed something. no, they just wanted me to look busy..... Long story short... corporations are bullshit.
I had an "employer" that did this. He signed a contract for my services and the contract specifically stated what those services entailed. He tried to get me to do work outside of what the contract stipulated and I refused. He didn't like it because I finished my work quicker than I usually did; I was training a third person, who I had to pay. He didn't hire me again, but I contracted out my services to a competing venue and made them a lot of money. In those situations I hold them to the contract they agreed to.
You guys hit the nail on the head. IMO if you're doing the job you were hired to do at a satisfactory level, and you don't have a conflict of interest (i.e. working for competitors), then there's absolutely nothing wrong with holding multiple jobs. The key is whether you're fulfilling your obligations or not. IMO this even applies if you're not holding multiple jobs. If you're not fulfilling your duties, expect to lose your job. Period.
I think the main point is "full time job". When you're doing that, you're expected to dedicate specific hours to it, and certain degree of availability outside of those hours. Which will never mix well with other full time job. It just won't.
I work in warehousing and sometimes when we don't have as much to do, we either can get voluntary unpaid leave or stay and sweep, it's really funny at the end of the day seeing 20 people holding brooms just waiting for our shift to end. building is already swept we just got to look like we are kinda doing something.
Let's make it clear: when they talk about having 2 jobs, they aren't talking about working back-to-back, they are talking about having clashing work hours and most of the time the exact same schedule
I don't know why people are missing this part. Like your double clocking your same 40 hours. Your not working 80 hours, but rather squeezing 2 jobs in those 40.
@@tilburg8683 no, that's not true. You're not seeing McDonald's employees doing this crap. It's people that earn 50-60k+ a year that are doing that. So, no, it's not people that are paid slave wages. It's some of the most well-paid people that do this, because they feel entitled.
I find it funny that companies expect an employee to act honestly and ethically and companies generally act dishonestly and unethically, a paradox or hypocrisy.
@@bigbrain8839 Yeah, but if they are paying you for 40 hours they really arent expecting you to work on another company's unrelated projects on their time. Ive seen people use job 1s printers, storage, space, and resources to make money at job 2. And got caught.
@@robrobinson8597 generally engineering jobs are paid on salaries, not hourly. Also if you're prioritizing hourly work as opposed to efficient quality work, you will receive garbage everytime. Industry leaders know this, and in certain fields that is desirable. Not in software.
@@robrobinson8597 I work on software and work remotely on 2 jobs. my jobs dont compete, and both work email based. I use a switcher to switch between compterer on my monitor. :) in other words they dont care how many jobs I have as long I complete my tickets on time
Had something like that with a boss of mine, telling me to quit my other job(its a different line of work) or he’ll fire me because I am losing focus at work. So I asked him “Do I finish all my work and leave on time everyday?” . He was fumbling his way, trying to change the topic. I told him to answer my question and when he said “Yes” , I told him to get off my back. Some bosses just feel entitled enough that they feel like their employees should be only working for them.
Yeah, they think they own you and your whole life. It could also be a powerplay, they're trying to dominate over you. Good on you for standing your ground.
@@AnonD38 "Don't delude yourself." as you defend yourself from an argument I never even told. Face it, a corporation neither needs nor deserves your charity. On the contrary, they give none of it and deserve none of it in turn.
@@AnonD38 That isn’t how the CEO in this video was trying to frame it. He was essentially saying that working two simultaneous full-time jobs is a form of time theft from your employer and therefore immoral. The was no mention of employee performance until later in the video, when he was giving what he believes are “tips for spotting,” said employees. He believes working two simultaneous full-time jobs is a problem regardless of performance. I agree that in this case he had every right to fire them. It’s absolutely a problem and a fireable offense, if working two simultaneous full-time jobs impacts your performance at ether job. But I see no problem with working two simultaneous full-time jobs, provided there is no conflict of interest and you are performing at the expected standards for both positions. It’s not inherently a bad thing.
This totally doesn't take into account the main reason WHY people work more than 1 job. Especially if you live in California. Right now in California, average housing cost is $769,000. On a 30 year fixed loan with current interest rates that is $4,762 a month. Minimum wage is $15. At 40 hours a week, for 52 weeks, that gets you $31,200 a year. Taxes will take 18.4% of your annual salary (federal, state, social security, and medicare). This brings your approximate annual take-home pay to $25,450. You would only be making HALF what you require for housing alone, not including food, vehicles, school debt, other debt, etc. Even if you just take the average rent cost in CA, that is $1,726 a month, equaling out to $20,712. That gives you $4,738 to last you 12 months for food, vehicle, debt, etc. All of this is expecting you to support only yourself. If you have a family, you better hope for more. Point being, if they want you to only have 1 job. PAY THEM to only have one job. If a company can report 2 billion dollars in profit for a year, and you have employees struggling, your profits are coming from their pockets. You are stealing from your workers, forcing them into poverty or working-poor situations for those massive profits that never go to the people propping you up on their shoulders.
The problem is you are comparing the average home price to the lowest possible wage. It doesn't really make much sense. The same thing could be said if you took Jeff Bezo's home in Beverly Hills and compared it to the average wage. They just aren't comparable. If you work minimum wage your around the 25th percentile of earners. I'm not sure what the 25th percentile home value is in California, but I think it would make your argument stronger if you used those numbers instead.
In Arizona we have anti-competitive laws meaning a job cannot fire you for having other jobs, or even fire you for saying you are looking for another job. They can only fire you if you have access to trade secrets and could otherwise engage in espionage, which espionage is illegal on a federal level. But "software" engineers having trade secrets? Maybe. But they could prove that the second job in no way was a competitor or even participated in the same commerce field, then that would be illegal in Arizona. Not all states are as awesome as bipartisan states like Arizona. I do think this CEO has a point. If you get a second job with the intent to milk to hours for the check but know you will underperform on purpose. Because you just want the free money, and who cares if you get fired? You have your main job. So I agree with the CEO, only for one reason, it's like stealing from an actual promising candidate, you are taking the chance from someone else who applies.
What's wrong with a CEO? It's like saying all black men are evil because a small group of young black men commit most violent crime. Obviously most black people are fine people.
these CEOs are gonna shit themselves when they find out their $100k work-from-home programmers are finishing their day's work in 2 hours and spending the rest of the day playing video games and taking piano lessons.
@@mactastic144 because if you agree to an 8 hour day, you’re being paid an 8 hour day you should dedicate 8 hours of your day to work, if you’re only getting a 2 hour work load hey take advantage of it I don’t give a fuck but it’s certainly not morally the best thing to do, but okay your games or whatever, but if you then go and sell your time to another company then you’re stealing
@@WCamden Most programmers aren't paid by the hour. They have tasks they work on for the day that go toward a larger overall project. If they get those tasks done faster than what is required, and the code is solid, then how are they stealing, exactly?
@@SGTsnick3 Yes they are. The overwhelming majority of programmers are paid by the hour, very few are paid based on deliverables and even if you are a salaried employee part of your employment contract is that you will be "working" a minimum number of hours. That means if you aren't working or doing things that benefit the employer and you are instead spending 6 hours a day playing video games you are not fulfilling your agreed upon contract. As a developer if you aren't being tasked with enough work then you should be asking for more work, or completing continuing education, or taking initiative to find projects you can work on yourself to benefit the company/customer. I have never worked a job in IT in over 12+ years as a senior developer that didn't have a literally mountain of work that *could* be done but wasn't a priority. People are just lazy/greedy it's that simple.
Not your life, but he has paid for 40 hours of your week and has a reasonable expectation of having the primary use of that time. That is what a job is. You sell your time and effort to a company and they pay you for it. Everybody cries about work/life balance these days, but seems to forget that balance indicates and equal distribution. Personal stuff is for personal time. Work stuff is for work time.
@@jdkillzone The time based pay scale economy is a hemorrhoid. He doesn't "buy your time." - He "buys your skills" and gives you a time constraint to complete those tasks in. Nobody owns time. It's not a tradable commodity. It's an implied contract. "I agree to do XYZ within 40 hours if you pay me ABC." - If a company actually cared about productivity they pay their people salary and monitor tasks completed. Because the company pays the same whether it takes 30 or 50 hours to complete. Most businesses would rather it be done faster. Only micro-managing penny pinching nits take the "babysitter" approach to hiring and those places you don't want to work anyways. In fact, most employees in those environments will actively go out of their way to make tasks take longer to fill up the week. But they're fine with that as long as they have warm flesh bags in their overpriced commercial rental building to justify it's existence.
Yup, I know a lot of Project Managers that work 5 jobs, because how easy it is to split up PM jobs like that, buddy of mine makes 900k a year cause he works 6 PM jobs all at once without any issue balancing them, because he basically only has work for 1 day of the week per job, lol
@@dave4148 i work for company A within these schedules hours, if they can't manage without me when i'm outside that schedule then they need to hire more people
8:15, exactly. My wife had to keep her pregnancy a secret at work because she was confident that she was in line for a promotion and she was afraid that she wouldn't get it if the company knew she'd be off for 2 months after the baby was born.
I'd keep anything and everything that actually matters in my life a secret, even towards co-workers, because there are some rats out there that straight-up tell.
@@The_Dutch_Jaguar Co-workers are not your friends, even if they were before you started to work at the same company. I have had some pretty terrible experiences by befriending before or during work.
The thing about software engineers is that we are expected to give our life blood and every bit of our attention in benefit of the competitive advantage of a company. If you could do 2 things but you were only asked for 1 you still get seen as doing only half than you could. Just imagine any engineer trying to pull of a stunt like "hey, I finished all my work for today in 5 minutes, I can go home, right?" No man, you can't go home, you now won a ticket to having to work at a 80% performance increase 100% of the time, because you just proved the manager that "it can be done, Bob did it". Yes, software engineers are paid their weight in gold, but also yes, we are one of the most exploited professions around when it comes to work hour management.
Wow, the greed. At least have some of your colleagues-in-profession have the ability to also work some of those jobs. If you are overachieving, sure, don't report it, just don't take other people's potential work. Being paid a lot per hour of work is a luxury not many get to have, plus you usually (not often everywhere) get paid more for doing exhausting hours, or extra things, like having to live at or near work, moving, losing out on national holidays etc. So yes, if you are paid well, maybe let the next person get a chance at being paid well in your industry.
As a short-order cook working for 15$ an hour in my 30's with no benefits and no money I feel so badly for you rich software engineers being expected to actually work a whole shift and not 5 minutes.
@@saltiney8578 Yeah, tell that to the Bethesda developers working 16 hour shifts including weekends for months at a time so the managers and marketers can deliver the game "on time". Some jobs are paid well because the people that can do them dedicate decades of their lives to learn them, and of those, the ones that are actually talented and dedicated at it are 1% of those that are even trying. But why am I even bothering to explain this. You are likely the kind of person that thinks deep sea welders are overpaid and didn't earn it. Some people are just freaking crabs in a bucket.
@@rodrigoserafim8834 Did you just equate deep sea welders one of the most hazordous jobs to...working at bethesda? Get a grip man you sit in a comfy office making hundreds of thousands of dollars boo hoo my boss was mean to me.
@@saltiney8578 as expected, the point went over your head. It was about skill and scarcity, not about hazardness. No, i did not equate them. But you just had to focus on anything that would justify your indignation and overlook everything else.
I work 2 jobs. I'm in IT and in my free time I animate. It's pretty normal in this field. And it's super useful if you are doing other things like animating, coding, anything creative. Really helps you think about better ways to solve problems IMO. The amount of code I've written for animation plugins is ridiculous at this point and I've used it in my normal IT job to really step up my work in both fields.
@@crocodiledowny2191 I do them simultaneously one job has a lot of downtime and the other has pretty relaxed deadlines and is remote so even with 2 jobs it's not bad. It just really depends on the kind of work you are doing. Once you automate most of your job and you just go to work and run some scripts and you are done there isn't too much to do
@@Robulite Compliments on that, and if you are doing your job just fine and the company is not damaged by that then who cares... It's people that are way to caught up with those contracts that need a reality check really.
I think the issue is that the two jobs were synchronous, the hours overlapped. If one started after the working hours of the other, it would probably be fine; barring non-competes and that kind of thing. They were working the same hours at two places and there is no way to be in two places at once, or in two meetings at once, and pay attention and be productive. I used to work a second job, but it was on weekends and at night so they never interfered with each other. It's common sense to me what this guy was pissed off about.
Literally doesn't matter. If both employers are happy with your work, there's no issue. Salaried work is not hour-based. Why is it that employers can insist on unpaid overtime, but you can't overlap regular hours? Hypocrite
was looking for this! isnt looking back at the past funny. rare legislative win for the little guy in the US. But i guess they cant just rip out prostates out with barbed wire ALL the time.
Never go out of your way to do much more then the minimum required work. From my experience that only causes people to expect more and reward you less then they throw you away if you speak up. Your rarely reward for your effort.
People-usually inexperienced young employees-fall into this trap quite often. They think that if they do more than their job description asks of them they will be more likely to be promoted, because they’re displaying “initiative” and “competence” to perform greater tasks. In reality this results in them never getting a promotion; if you can have someone who’s doing manager work for floor level salary/wage it just doesn’t make sense to promote them to do the same thing they’re already doing and for more pay
@@kevinc8955 but your case is the exception not the rule, companies are always extremely bottom heavy and very light at the top regardless of how small or large the company is. It’s basic business, if you’re in the business of making money then you’re not going to essentially give money away by promoting someone who already does the work of a higher paid position for lower pay. If you do that then you’re trading in business ethics for personal ethics. It is the ethical responsibility of a company to maximize profits for shareholders and investors, your personal ethics might lead you as a manager to promote someone for going “above and beyond” but that doesn’t means it’s the right thing to do for the company.
@@kevinc8955 not the point at all. In any job you only promote out of necessity, same as how you should only hire out of necessity. When it is time to promote, a well business minded employer will promote those who will provide the most additional value for the money. If you have 10 employees, 8 meet their quotas on time, 1 meets their quotas ahead of time, and 1 is doing far more work than any of the others, it makes sense to promote the one who is performing their duties ahead of time instead of the one who uses their time to do even more work. Promotion happens, I’m not arguing it doesn’t, but it happens out of necessity and it should generally happen in a way which maximizes the profit to company, shareholders, and the investors
@@kevinc8955 that happens because jobs need to be competitive, why work for apple if samsung pays more. That’s exactly what I’m saying, companies make strategic decisions concerning the pay and position of their employees, and they aren’t promoting people for doing more work, they’re promoting people because it makes financial sense for the company. It is reality, no amount of skill required for a task will make a company impervious to the effects of poor decision making. Strange that you’re approaching this anecdotally, talking about the promotions you’ve gotten and claiming I simply don’t know because I must not have “experienced it,” yet I’m giving you simple facts that apply in every business regardless of specialty or skill requirements. Sounds like you just don’t like thinking that perhaps your position in life was influenced more by forces outside of your control than you’d like to admit.
I worked my ass off at the lowest factory position because I'm naturally good at... menial factory labour, and enjoy helping people. It made getting my first promotion, with a crazy 50 cent raise, super easy. In the two weeks of this new position, I've gotten in trouble more in than the last 3 years, for doing exactly what I've always done. It feels like I gave the company 200% and my reward was getting spit on.
Yes - that's EXACTLY what they're doing, it's obvious that's what the original comment was about and this whole topic is entirely misunderstood for some reason
@@MGPortraitArt Agree completely. The CEO is right. They are working 2 jobs at the exact same time rotating meetings and work tasks during the same time frame.
if I hired someone for $130/hr I would want each hour I’m paying for spent working for me. Otherwise I could have paid $60/hr if they were going to spend half the time working on something else.
The cited post from the CEO specifically says he's not talking about moonlighting or side hustles. This is specifically about people who are committed to working X number of hours per day for their employer and then dishonestly doing this again with a second employer and only giving each of them half the effort (or perhaps some other distribution, like 60/40).
@@petrri323 there is a problem with it. your just someone who despises companies to the point that doing illegal and dishonest things to them is an ok thing(which it isnt)
@@bullettime1116for software engineering, if you write code well and you know your stuff, you can easily finish your work, estimated to be done in 2 weeks, within 12 hours by copying and pasting😂. Then you send the results to some stack holder, wait for a day for his/her response. On top of that, put a code in production requires other people, so if they are occupied, nothing you can do.
If you can fulfill your job requirements while doing that so what? If you can't, then you deserve to be fired. Not for "stealing", just for failing to do the job. Essentially he's talking about quiet quitting, or just doing the base requirements of your job. If you're remote, and you can do the 8 hour job in 4 hours, and then do the same at another job, good for you. If you're getting the job done so what? Instead of trying to shame someone like that and fire them maybe the company should promote them and have them train other employees how to be that productive.
@@wallywest2360 Read what the CEO said in his post. They were new employees and had subpar performance. Either way they should be fired if they suck as employees. If they were good employees, he probably never would have found out they were double dipping with their time.
That shit's happened at almost every job I've ever had. Work crew gets smaller, workload stays the same, individual workload increases, then it becomes a game of how can I milk this job until they have to fire me because there's no way I'm doing 4 people's jobs for 1 person's pay.
I once worked for a job that the manager reprimanded me for working a part time job telling me that if I needed more money to work OT, but when I started to do more OT get reprimanded for that because "there's no money in the budget for OT". The 2 jobs was in completely different fields and the part-time job was only 4 hours every weekday and starts 3 hours after my clock out from my primary job and I was not under performing at both. Learned that they just want us to dedicate blood and soul to only that company.
I got fired once after finishing what I had to do, when one of my co-worker wasn't working and just making excuses (he did not get fired), after 3 months they asked me if I could re-join the project, like I was going to be waiting for them to call me :/, in any case, companies don't see you but a number, I mean disposable number...
as a person that worked a seasonal retail job last october and my regular job last year I call bullshit. I totally agree that you can work two jobs if you can handle it. But for everyday people that are not lucky enough to have their own companies we may need two jobs just to make a living.
@@MadiBendy worked at a mall. Worst decision of my life. Since not only did extra duties get dumped on me during covid. I was still expected to perform the regular duties as well.
@@zacharyhawley1693 As someone that works part time jobs currently It is ridiculous how many projects I have that would normally be given to someone in a full time position but I only get paid part time
@@MadiBendy at least you aren't assistant manager with none of the privileges. That's a special layer of hell I wish on no one. I had to close open, open close. So full time turned into essentially never leaving. There's burning a candle at both ends and there's being blowtorched. Burn out was brutal.
The minute corporations decided to no longer be loyal to their employees back in the 1970s-80s the employees lost their mandate to be loyal to the company. Don't tell your employer shit about you that isn't relevant to your current work, always keep them at arms length to protect yourself. If you can work 2 jobs in the same hours and get away with it, do it. They would outsource your job to another country or an AI in a HEARTBEAT to make a profit. They are not your friend/family, they will not give you raises, you have to make them or leave once you know your value. Never tell them a job was easy, just that you finished and the result. Always take your full breaks and full lunches. Don't answer your phone/email from your job on time off. (unless its specifically an on call job) Always be looking for a new job that pays better. Only give 2 weeks if it works for you.
I learned that when you ask for more work all the time, you're actually setting an expectation that you can work at that rate for the same pay. Sometimes they might give you training for a different role and responsibility and you can position yourself for an eval and raise, but if they're poop people, they will deny that additional experience and value as raise worthy and just micromanage you to work at that optimal level as if they could just hire someone else just as experienced and capable. Best thing to do is keep quiet, and use that extra time to get another job juggled, and appreciate your good time management.
It sounds like the person might have been on the clock at both jobs at the same time. If that's the case then the person is sort of stealing from the company.
Software Engineers are not paid by the hour unless it's contract work. If it's contract work you just log/bill your hours. Majority of positions are salary and have flexible office hours or work from home. It's more about features, deadlines, and staying on project schedule/getting your shit done.
@@IcedLance I never stated you could do nothing. My response was to this idea of "on the clock". This concept doesn't exist. If you can work 80 hours at one job, you can work 40 at 2. As long as your meeting expectations. I am a software engineer and work at all sorts of different hours weekends, 2am w/e.
As long as there's not a conflict of interest with you working for a competitor, vendor/partner for your company, etc, then there's literally no reason for them to be fired. I'd be suing, unless they're in an at will state. Edit: if they are working 2 jobs within the same time window, then that's not copasetic
If you're being paid a full-time wage/salary, and you're giving your employer half of the time and effort that they're paying you for, then there's every reason for them to be fired. You're *necessarily* giving them half the time they're paying you for. Full time positions, not part-time, and it clearly made their work standard so poor that they ended up getting caught.
@@mage1439 as a software engineer working in corporate America this is the way of things. You have highly specialized work that is paid on salary. That means I'm paid to do a task and thats all my team cares about. If I can get the task done in 4 hours, I go on maintenance mode and am available if issues pop up. If it requires me more than 8 hours I will work overtime to complete what is needed in a given timeframe. Regardless I'm paid to accomplish something not spend an arbitrary amount of time twiddling my thumbs in a cubicle
@@PowerfulSkeleton If I, as an employee, doing the required amount of work that I'm being paid for, I am at work at the assigned hours(if I'm not working from home, which software engineers can do and they can create their own schedule) - then no, there is no reason for me to fired. While in this specific situation those employees were in the wrong and deserved to be fired, the CEO reasoning, and yours as well, is wrong. His list of "wrongs" is idiotic as well and shows how he treats his workers clearly. If I'm done the work that's required of me and I want to work another job - I will and should be able to. And the CEO's like that and the whole atmosphere of work toxicity is a reason why programmers, artists and other workers who can freelance choose to do that, instead of trying to work at a company, where you did your job in half the assigned time and yet for some reason you should still pretend that you are working - because apparetnly is unethical, the employer paid me for that many hours, so that many hours I should work. This whole concept is idiotic in professions like that.
Also, Asmon, non compete doesn't mean not working two jobs simultaneously. It means that in case of severance you're not allowed to work the same branch, in the same state (city, what have you) meaning you cannot compete with the firm you've signed with.
What’s missing here (because neither companies nor the overemployed folks want to say it out loud) is how multiple full time jobs destroys the traditional power dynamic of employment. There’s some real game theory at play here. It’s hard work being a top performer, and making a meaningful impact within a company is even harder. You know what’s easier than that? Doing the bare minimum to not get fired in two jobs at the same time. It’s LESS work overall, between 50%-100% more pay, and if you get fired you still have at least one other job. So what’s an expendable cog in the machine to do? But companies don’t want to fix it either. That would involve proportional reward for the value employees contribute. That’s something that companies are used to keeping for themselves - so instead of fixing it they try to cripple people’s ability to work multiple jobs in other ways - hard line stances and fear tactics, and mandating return to office. Employees who are rewarded for their contributions, and are empowered to make an impact without constant fear of being fired for the slightest thing feel no need to work two jobs.
Depends on the context. My Foster mother is a Clinic Manager, her secretary was working a second job. Where, instead of doing her job as the secretary in a medical clinic, she was doing online work for a second company. She was slowing the already terribly slow Canadian healthcare system, by not doing her job. Ignoring it for her other online job. In this case, she is stealing company time, and not providing the service you are being paid to do. Shes not facilitating the people in for medical care, not filing the reports, not getting all the work she needs done. All the while shes using that paid company time, to do work for another company. It's time theft. Now, if all her shit was handled, and she did it off company time [or at least didn't interrupt her on duty responsibilities] thats a different story.
I worked in recruitment for a bank for number of years, mainly recruiting IT contractors. There were clauses in their contract's stating that they won't work for another company whilst they were working for us. Especially if they were working for another bank which is a huge conflict of interest. A lot of them did anyway but it always went all the way bad for them when they were found out.
I work multiple freelance/contract jobs at a time but they're in different industries. And if there could be any conflict I speak with the person I'm contracted with before accepting the new contract. Honestly just trying to pay bills, man. Definitely not "stealing".
Depends how your pay is structured. If u are getting paid by hour for 8 hours then they shouldn't have two jobs. All your hours need to be dedicated to your main job. If your pay is structured by contact completion then have at it, get as many jobs u want.
Isn't this the same story where the two employees were missing meetings and deadlines because they were trying to juggle both jobs on the same hours? If they had a second job on their own time that's one thing. If they are not meeting the requirements of their job because they are trying to double book the same hours, then yeah, gotta say they deserve to be fired.
I think most people are fundamentally misunderstanding the CEO's statement. When he says "working two full-time synchronous jobs", he isn't meaning the conventional linear sense where you clock in to one job for 8 hours and then leave and go to your other job and clock in for another 8 hours for a total of a 16 hour work day. He means you clock in to two jobs simultaneously (synchronously) for 8 hours, for a total of an 8 hour work day, basically double dipping. I think this is stealing, because both employers are paying their shared employee with the implicit expectation that they are going to give their undivided time and attention for the time that they are clocked in, but really they're giving their divided time and attention and still reaping a full paycheck from both employers. And if it's talking about salaried work, it's the same problem. In the age of remote work where you don't have to go into an office and show face, it becomes possible to do something like this.
I don’t understand why someone would have an issue with this. As long as you’re performing the duties expected of you (for all your jobs), then why not? Have as many jobs as you can at once (so long as you remain a good employee)
Indeed, if you do the work your employed to do, and have no NCE, whats the problem you working two jobs? Zack really did some bad takes on this one imo, making strawmen arguments that the employees must have been bad and so on without any info lol.
@@syzler8664 yeah, but this CEO is saying it's wrong even if u are performing well. Obviously they did it badly by underperforming, but this is more of a general situation.
So an important thing to note about software engineers that most people probably don't realize: Many software engineers do NOT have non-compete clauses in their contracts because of an ethical issue. If a programmer had such a clause and leave the company, they'd have a real tough time finding work else where.
Some of these engineer jobs come with contracts stating that you can’t take up work with another company that does the same job for at least 2 years if you’re employed with the current company. This typically happens with apprenticeships or companies that hire engineers without experience or formal background and then train them. On paper this is to prevent you from “stealing” the training you received that was paid for by the company, but in practice it kinda just locks you in to the company for however long the contract specifies.
@@zachjackel well usually you get these jobs because you already have a strong knowledge base of the work being done, so the training itself isn’t exactly valuable. The training probably won’t secure you a job at another company, but the experience potentially can, and the training and non compete agreement does secure you a job with the initial company-thereby providing that experience which can be used to secure a second job. It’s ultimately the price of playing the game; if you don’t have the money for formal training, and find an opportunity to skip the 4 years of education it might just be worth selling your soul for x amount of years. It’s not a perfect deal, but for many people it is a better deal than they ever would’ve gotten elsewhere.
I once asked an employer if I could get flexible hours so I could get a second job, as soon as I did that, every single time I saw my boss he would ask me how long I’m planning on staying around. I eventually just gave up and it caused me to be poor enough that I had to choose between toothpaste and food.
Yeah, guy is the CEO of a small to mid sized company, spent probably 6-8 months having his HR and engineering staff interview applicants, then they showed up half-assed their job and used his company's property to attend meetings and work for another larger company in the same industry, that he was led to believe they left to take his job offer, while on the clock at his office, What right does he have to be mad?
@@davidmendenhall4090 Then the CEO should get off his butt and start coding He does none of the work and takes most of the money. What do you call that but theft?
He has every right to be mad about everything you said and if that’s what those people did, then they were justifiably fired. But his message was not really about the points you outlined. His issue was with how some people are not 100% dedicated to their employer and instead spend some of their time working for another employer. It’s a general statement about “you’re cheating on me with another employer, you’re a bad person”. And that’s profoundly narcissistic and petty. Had he kept his message to a simple: “FYI if you work for two employers simultaneously and you do a bad job at one of the companies you work for, then prepare yourself to be fired by said company”, it would have been appropriate. But he went on to make general statements about employees needing to be fully committed to their employers under moral pretenses, when what he really means is that, as the CEO, his employees implicitly owe him their undivided attention and time, and they implicitly are supposed to be subjugated to him and his company. That’s just his narcissism speaking.
I'm going to probably edit this a few times if I make it through the whole thing. 4:45 - My only issue would be the "trying to be in two meetings at once" if you are doing this then yes you are stealing you are not giving 100% of your time to 1 company, are you only charging them 1/2 time while you are in both meeting if not you are stealing from both companys. 7:30 - Ehh I did this at Kohl's like 25 years ago as a stock boy, inventory has been scanning items for a while now. I don't see why people complain so much these days about doing work. 11:50 - Like you said they are not investing as much time into this. 2 full time jobs on average especially in the tech industry will be Mon-Fri needing to work 16 hours a day. That's rough and I can kind of see the argument, it seems very likely at least over time working 16 hours a day 5 days a week will get to most people... maybe not all but man I have a rough time with work and school(about 2-4 hours a day on average) at least after 2 years of it.
Both software companies I've worked for had a section in the contract where you agreed to not work for any other companies without clearing it. I presume because they want to make sure the people they're hiring will make sure to prioritize the company during working hours. At the last company, my buddy did some contracting work after hours and the company was cool with it.
This reminded me of a guild i was in during TBC, they had a rule that limited how many alts you could have in the guild and you were not allowed to have alts be members of other guilds.
The job I just started at US bank requires you to disclose to your GM that you’re taking on a second job, it’s for litigious and conflict of interest reasons among probably more shit as far as I know
You can't possibly have two fulltime jobs without them conflicting with each other. If you are working for 16 to 18 hours a day you won't be able to rest properly between jobs or take care of your daily chores at home. Additionally you won't be able to work overtime if needed. It 100% results in an efficiency loss and a higher risk of something going wrong because you are tired at work and they pay you for you doing your best according to your abilities which you are definitely not doing. Part time jobs is something else. But another full-time job is 100% an efficiency loss which an employer does not have to tolerate.
I honestly agree with the employer. Software engineers are payed over $120k a year for full time. He literally says they had bad performance. They are paid for 8 hours of work and not 4 hours. They don’t finish their task for the day and go home, they have weeks of work lined up to be completed and if you finish a task you should ask for another. Sure if this is McDonald’s I don’t expect you to do other tasks that aren’t your job but when you are a professional it’s entirely different.
I think that your experience working for the government was an outlier. Every job I've worked at will always find something for you to do once you've completed your normal tasks. They'll just half train you for something else and demand you do it. I'd love to just be able to focus on completing the assigned task and take a break afterwards.
Seems like you completely missed the "2 syncronous jobs", meaning both would be like an 8 to 5 jobs, not 2 jobs at different times. If you hire me for 8 to 5, and the last 4 hours I only work for a different company, that is stealing.
But if you're on salary and are expected to work outside those hours anyway, then its just a matter of finding 40 hours a week for the one job and 40 hours a week for the other job, right?
Objectively stealing is wrong but subjectively stealing from people who are egregiously over compensated is leaps and bounds past what I feel most people would be capable of producing empathy for.
@@ericomfg I don't see Jeff Bezos delivering packages Yet the people who do have to pee in bottles or get fired. The people who sit on yachts all day get most of the money from people who can't even use the bathroom. How does that work?
I work in a Post-Secondary institution and if we get another job we must report it to the school and determine if there would be a conflict of interest.
If you are paid for 40 hours a week with a set work schedule, if you're working another job during those same work hours then you are stealing from your employer. If you're working your second job outside of your regular work hours then it's fine. It's an important distinction to make. It sounds like they were working two jobs during the same working hours, which makes the complaint entirely valid.
This happens ALL THE TIME with engineers. Usually it is just contract/temp work for small jobs. But the second you want to have 2 steady incomes, everyone gets all butthurt.
I assume the "theft" is if you have 2 jobs and you're clocked in at both and working both at the same time, you can't commit your time to one while you're working on the other.
clocked in? every job being talked about in these videos are obviously salary positions...if you are meeting all expectations of both jobs what difference does it make?
Companies like to peddle the whole family thing, which i find true. They're an abusive family that while you're gone they start to miss you, but when you're there they will do everything to make your life miserable.
I avoid those jobs. All "family" means to them, is an expendable resource. I remember working for a company like that. The owner/manager was a drunk prick that was abusive to his employees. Well, he hadn't done anything to me yet, and everybody quit. I was running around for months, doing everybody's job. Me, the reptile guy, running small animals aquatics, product ordering and setting up promotions. I was falling on some hard times, my lizard got sick and I needed some extra money for the vet and I asked for a raise. I was told to just shut up and do my job, even though that clown had refused to hire more people. I just know reptiles, but had to learn how to run an entire store on the fly, because they wanted to pay a dude minimum wage to do an entire floor staff worth of work. Yeah, "family" lmao.
from the first minute of the video; "working two jobs" in this context (although limited lol) sounds to me like people were working from home and claiming to be on the clock for two different full time jobs at the same time. Which I would agree is stealing/fraudulent.
I think you and the other guy misunderstood what the CEO said. CEO wasn't talking about having two jobs in general where you do one job and then do another job after. He was talking about having two jobs that interfere with each other on the same working hours. If you spend 8 hours and split 4/4 on two jobs where you're expected to spend 8 hours each - that's morally wrong and stealing.
You're missing the part where these people are "clocked in" and reporting the same hours to both companies. They aren't getting fired for working two jobs, they are getting fired for committing fraud by claiming time they are working for another company as time worked for their other job.
They didn't get fired for working two jobs, they got fired for reporting the same hours worked to two different companies when they only worked half the time. It's fraud, and in many places it's illegal and you can go to jail for it.
That's not entirely it, working Software Engineering you can end up with a lot of downtime between projects, so why not take advantage of that downtime for extra cash? Buddy of mine works 6 jobs, does he need to? Absolutely not, he lives alone in a low cost of living state, and if he worked ONE job he'd be making 150k a year still. But with how much free time working Project Management gives him- why not make 900k a year instead? Not like he's doing anything else with his free time.
this was in reference to people who are actively being (on the clock) at 2 companies durring the same hour I work from home and could do 3 jobs at the same time without them knowing so many companies have started putting checks in place to make this not happen
Businesses have no right to dictate what you do in your free time, unless you're using your free time to use IP that you've learned from that job in an attempt to compete.
I think that if you list all of the companies you are an angel investor for alongside your employment information, there is an automatic implication that you provide more than just capital for those companies. There would be no purpose to listing them otherwise, unless he is lying or trying to mislead the reader. Josh's point stands.
@@Kefka2010 Angel investors provide capital in exchange for partial ownership of the company. Nobody just hands out money to startups for no benefit to themselves. And it's not the investment itself that holds the implication, it's the context in which he lists it. Why would you list a bunch of companies you just threw money at and don't actually control to some degree? I can guarantee if those companies started losing him money this guy would be all over them in a heartbeat.
@@ChickenPizza I would expect he got shares of the company but having 20% A shares doesn't really mean anything. Just like me having 10,000 B shares doesn't mean I own any appreciable amount in a company. Chances are the company founders will own a controlling share of the stocks and have full say. I wouldn't expect an angel investor to have a controlling share of a company.
The problem is the "full-time"... both companies are paying for the same amount of hours and getting half your attention... that is totally stealing. If you are hired for performance, not time, than there is an argument.
Guarantee what they’re talking about. Here is salaried employees Home maybe three or four days a week showing up for a meeting once a week or something and they’re also working for someone else during that same time at home so instead of getting their full workout, put during their expected work hours their output is being split between two different jobs And that is. I’m sure what they’re talking about.
It never ceases to amaze me how companies treat employees as replaceable then act surprised when those employees aren't loyal to the company.
these tech bros aint loyal, these bros aint loyal.
How does this relate to the video at all?
did you watch the video? they were attending meetings for multiple jobs at the same time. That means they were working 9-5 jobs at the same time. That's time stealing, and at least for all my work contracts I had to be fully available to the company for 9-5 each day.
@@kenbobcorn fkn wagie:D
@@TJXD and you're anti everything that has the slightest sense of hierarchy. How do you not see his point? 😂
CEO: Working 2 jobs is stealing
CEOs all over the world: being on multiple boards for different companies
This, all of fucking this
Hey, they cant just run the world into the ground with only one board position
CEOs and corporations must be extinct.
@@Douglas_C-e5k they are literally parasites
Lol that’s a 1 time a year gig
I never thought I’d make it to Asmon’s channel. Neat.
as an ex wow addict, too.
it probably feels surreal. grats.
@@hur1n true true true
Congrats Josh. I'm going through a layoff and your videos help me get through.
Heeell yeah, looking forward to more react stuff.
@@YouJGSousa The tech space is a shitty place to work in regardless. If you're somewhat good at your job and can do things twice as fast as the average joe, your CEO won't pay you more for doing the extra work, instead the CEO will expect you to do more work while your colleague can keep eating out of his nose for the same pay
CEO: "Working 2 jobs is stealing"
Inflation: "I'll make them work 3 jobs!"
Funny enough i have 3 jobs but 2 of them takes me couple hours a month and i don't do them in my full time job
"I'll make them work 3 jobs with the pay of 1 job!" Brrrilliant!
I always thought it was unfair that when leaving a job your expected to give at least 2 weeks notice otherwise it reflects poorly on you as an employee but you can be laid off or "fired at will" with zero notice and for doing nothing wrong.
Well, that's the issue of your country's labor laws though, that were collectively agreed on. Where I live, depending on the time you worked at the company, 2 weeks is bare minimum notice from either side, for people who work for less than 6 months. After that, it's 1-3 months.The only exception is being fired with cause or amicable dissolvement of the contract. I think there are some separate regulations for group firings too, but I can't recall from the top of my head.
I never give 2 weeks' notice. I work for money. I'm not there to suck anyone's dick or sniff someone's asshole. As soon as I want to quit, I do. Fuck telling them, I am am not and never was their friend.
@@akodo77 Taft Hartley was absolutely NOT collectively agreed on
In my line of work 2 weeks notice isn’t nearly enough time. I gave my boss a months notice and even that felt rushed
@@ember-evergarden And I bet that attitude gets you a lot of high paying, highly respected work…
They literally want you to be poor. In our mandatory "fraud" course, an example was "keeping a close eye on work colleagues who suspiciously improve their lifestyle" .
"A new car? From what we are paying him? Report this suspicious activity to HR"
A family friend of mine worked at a large fencing company. One of their accountants suddenly started coming in with new handbags and a brand new 100k car. Told everyone she had received a large inheritance before leaving the company. A year later the new accountant discovered she'd stolen about 2 million from the company.
yet the CEO IS sporting his new ferrari. what a fuckin joke.
@@tehownerful Large fencing company? I don't see a problem
If I was the boss, anybody reporting another coworker to HR for “improving their lifestyle” would be fired on the spot. That’s Soviet activity and I wouldn’t trust anyone like that with my company
@@tehownerful Good on her.
As a software engineer, I will inform folks right now that NOT every where you go will make you sign a non-compete. As with most jobs, it depends on where you go
The big companies usually always have you sign these
@@austindavis2103 so dont work for a big company, same as many industries
Hahaha @jcfrules I'll let others decide that, but yea, I have no interest in working for those large, "prestigious" companies for many reasons, one being related this debate. I'd say I work in a mid-to-large size company, and there's no non-compete. There's also just tons of debate as to how fair non-competes are as a whole. It's kind of the whole reason courts will first look at the reasonableness of a non-compete before enforcing the document on a legal level. It's a piece of paper that can very easily disrupt one's lifestyle and flow of income even if they're approaching things in the most ethical way possible
@@gabe2o2 i dig it. keep preaching man most people are ignorant unfortunately.
Let’s be real here, if you have 2 jobs, you’re not really working 80 hours a week. We both know it, I’m a software engineer too. I think that’s what the ceo was mad about.
The ironic thing is a CEO can have 1 job and bring a company down in flames, yet still get a multi-million dollar bonus.....and keep the job.
It's shitty that CEOs can and often do this. Some CEOs are known for breaking down and selling off parts of companies. However, what you're saying is not the same as what the people who got fired for.
Just like politicians. Look at Biden, Look at Liz trus, bitch can ruin the economy and peace out after 1,5 months and receive a lifetime 113K a year
What's more ironic is that CEOs usually sit on other companies' boards, and do that job at the same time.
Yes, if a company is projected to do poorly and they bring in a new CEO and give him bonus incentives to lose X amount less and he accomplishes it then he earned it by the contract between him and the board. Dumbass.
Im surprised no one thought of the obvious. They were probably stealing because the work hours were the same so they were doing 2 jobs at once and slacking...
My feeling is simple. If you want to retain talent. Pay them like you want to retain them. You can't tell me these people are being paid really well if they're seeking out a second job.
People will hustle. People earning 900k salary for working 6 jobs.
@@TuningAnApple the fact that you said salary. Shows me you're full of shit lol. Nobody is working 6 jobs at salary. I don't think you understand what a contract under salary is.
@TuningAnApple and let them hustle, isn't everything expensive in the US, I'm guessing with that much you can barely meet the necessities of a regular family.
@@artorhenwhat kind of fuckin family are you talking about? Kevin McCallister’s one? 😂
Na they 100% are well paid. All software engineers earn over 100k.
I work at a certain grocery store on the east coast. Two years ago in the height of covid when staffing was nonexistent one of my friends who worked at another store was terminated. She was a full time employee, but she did part time work as a vendor going to various stores. This woman was not only exceptional at her job, but in the years I've been with the company (At various stores meeting other's with the position she held) none of the other people with her position can measure up to her work ethic and the results she put out. Problem was the district manager was buddy buddy with the store manager who disliked my friend. My friend traveled over a hundred miles (Crossing multiple states) to another district to help with new stores opening up. Upon her return she was given the ultimatum that she either picked our company or her part time work (The very one she openly admitted to doing for years, and just now it was a problem) so she left the company. So when Asmon says he doubts ceo's would get rid of good workers, I can blatantly say that's not necessarily true if work place politics are in place where egos override what's best for the corporation.
If it's not profits, it's their ego, but of course they will mask it as "conflict of interest"
Work in a warehouse. Have a good leader\boss I respect. Mentioned I had to find a job on Sunday to be able to make it with new payments. Within a week he talked to all his upper people and got me a (reasonable) raise so I would be okay not needing the extra day, and not have to be exhausted coming in to the job I already work , suffer in both jobs, and have one less day with my family (I bust my ass I am hyperactive) that is what a good boss would do
Wish more bosses were like that. Sounds like a great guy.
But you was
1. informing him (these engineers did not)
2. intended working another job after your job at the warehouse. Not during your job at the warehouse.
3. was open to not get another job.
These guys were not informing their current employee, doing their job during the working hours of the other job and were not open to negotiations at all.
Apparently, you work for normal human beings.
@@FenrisEx true, not really similar situations at all you are doing a physical job, but the truth on this big companies, in the 2-3 that i've worked with, there are certain positions that are critical but don't really have any kind of upward mobility, and they usually need a very specific kind of person for the position, it takes time to be familiar with systems and the people you need to interact with to keep everything going smoothly, and if you get proficient at it, the best case scenario for the bosses, they don't have to look at you, you become invisible because you are doing your job well, it becomes repetitive, boring and in many cases you are paid to be vigilant, not really to do any kind of constant task, so you either watch some videos, read something, or if you want to make some more money you find another job cause IT certainly doesn't really pay more to people doing multiple positions.
@@FenrisEx most jobs would rather u walk than give u a raise.. u r told " i would but corporate said no".. happens all the time in health care.retail, food service, factories..etc. u all get the same wage EVEN IF U R LAZY.. hard work IS NOT rewarded. and now new hires r paid the same or more than a nurse/worker whos been on the schedule 14 yrs.. hiring budgets r bigger than retention budgets..
The home Depot situation is exactly my current problem. We downsized from a crew of 13 to 5 people. Now the workload is near impossible.
unionize, remind them that when the corporate satisfaction falls, when the store deteriorates, they bear the responsibility to fix things, not you.
Reminds me when I worked at a store that was understaffed. The days when we just had 1 extra person, were like night and day.
Unionize or quit and let the whole thing collapse on itself. Much like how products will never improve if ppl keep buying, jobs will never improve if people keep slaving away regardless of condition or pay.
that is when you move on and find a new job
@@0332288 - imagine working a job that keeps you so poor that quiting would make you lose everything. This is why many people get stuck propping up these corporations.
What you're saying is akin to blaming consumers instead of recognizing the huge flaws built into the capitalist system. It's too easy to blame the bottom of society. Meanwhile you seem to completely ignore the architects of these societal issues. Maybe use your brain instead of throwing out generic blame.
I love how bosses expect you to be happy only doing what THEY want you to do, but they never offer as much benefits or reasons to ONLY be doing that instead of getting an additional job/quitting fo something better
BULLSHIT- Software Engineers make bank and have the best benefits (unless they work in India or some 3rd world country) of almost any job out there.
@@ruskiessuck3337 Doesn't matter don't devalue the work people do and if you want them to be exclusive discuss what monetary amount that requires from you whether it be equity or residuals on the work done. I say this an an employer in the software development field. Just because other fields are underpaid doesn't mean you should bootlick. Are you an employer looking for cheap labor or are you just bootlicking for free? The first type I can understand where you're coming from as I employ people myself; if you're the second type you're a pathetic person.
@@xbabu142x IF THE TECH CEO FIRES YOU, most likely it is a smaller company, you are a local USA based employee and a seriously doubt you are doing ANYTHING but scamming the company. This does not sounds like some dude off FIVR or working in Pakistan/INDIA etc. That dude would be contract only. This is a ENGINEER job not burger flipping so focus on the article.
@@ruskiessuck3337 If there is no agreement that employee works EXCLUSIVELY for that company then where's a scamming? If someone works poorly then they fail their side of the contract, regardless if they work elsewhere or not.
@@ruskiessuck3337 hey bro if you wanna go face down ass up for corporations that's your business just don't pretend you're not a cuck.
Our professor was telling us about this a few weeks back. Specifically how working from home can drastically increase your income depeing on your living expenses and how multiple people would definitely work multiple sub par jobs because working 2 easy jobs that pay 65k is better than 1 difficult job at 90k.
working at home has saved me a fortune in gas and toll fees (if I dont take the toll to work into like a 2 hour drive, taking the toll is a 30 minute drive)
@@nicholasbrown668 Working from home has made me a ton of money but I do collision repair on cars- turns out when a driver only drives a few times a month they forget everything and become terrible drivers.
The thought that you would work 2 jobs to steal money is a thought process only someone who has *NEVER* struggled with money can come up with.
OR seriously worked a job
At the 5.08 mark the Manager's post is clearly visible. In this he says "This isn't about side-hustles of moonlighting. These were people holding down two, full-time synchronous jobs."
Sure money is probably the motivating factor but trying to do two full time jobs at the same time is quite clearly dodgy.
Especially when you're expected to be handling on-call demands (IT, Remote Automation support, etc) while logging hours for development in-between. I've had coworkers in automation and control panel design do this shit on the clock. One was even fielding his own 'consultation' gig during working hours, where he was using the companies licenses and resources for remote support instead of working on the things he was provided the access for in a timely manner. His ladder code, branch sizing and troubleshooting skills were shoddy, because he spent a majority of time managing the illusion of progress, he wasn't practicing the skills he was marketing to others. With automation and electrical engineering jobs being chronically available in undesirable parts of the country, he'll always have work. @@Quotheraving
At software devlopment it really isn't, more often then not you can finish your job really fast then spend the rest of the week pretending you're still working on it. Speaking as someone with experience. @@Quotheraving
@@brunosouza3326 The fact that it is sometimes possible to finish a job ahead of schedule doesn't mean that its ok to take a second full time job.
While there may be occasions when you finish early and could spend the rest of the time sitting on your hands it's those occasions where you can't, or even over-run, that matter.
As mentioned in the article this situation was noticed because of the negative effects it had on their work - clearly the "I can manage it sometimes" argument has no legs.
CEO: Working 2 jobs is stealing
Meanwhile Bloomberg: "Inflation Forces Over Half of Americans to Consider Second Jobs"
Yeah, this position will fare so well in the current economy...
They are talking about working them both remotely at the same time. Not having two jobs with different hours.
My brother works a remote job and says he gets his 8 hour work done in about 3 hours. I asked him why he doesn't just get a second job and and work both? Made him think for a second
Maybe he's happy with what he makes.
@@mage1439 if I made my salary working 3 hours a day and can live th3 rest of my day free. I'd take that anyday
@@mage1439 that's the kindof person my brother is. He is indeed content. I'm not a "sigma grindset" kindof person but if I could pull it off I would try to work two remote jobs at once
i have 2 friends who do the same. programmers have it so good right now.
@@killerspartan666 I could definitely see it, even if just for a while. Bank up some kind of a windfall.
Blizzard: "If you don't share breast milk with your colleagues, you're stealing"
"You have two tits for a reason"
Lmfao
omg some poor lady pumping in what she thinks is an empty room when someone suddenly pops their drooling head out from under the table and goes "Didya bring enough for everyone..?!~"
@@Rhodair I had the image of super meat canyon or whatever his name is, the guy that did the horrific cartoons .. a guy in that style poping from beneath the table... Ure giving me nightmares trough power of my own imagination!
BRB applying for a job at Blizzard and only asking hot MILFS for breast milk.
I work for 3 security firms. Apparently they don’t have a problem with it.
The FTC announced that they will stop employers from using NDAs as a means to corner employees.
The purpose is to drive down wages & costs of training. When they should be fair like they are supposed to be. Has nothing to do with the competition. Literally.
i worked at a home healthcare agency in california as what basically amounts to as a front desk secretary. my job was mainly to answer the phone, collect some info from the client, and determine who i should transfer them to. i also did additional paperwork and data entry work for the more qualified people who worked in the office. all that was well and good but the person who had my job before me would take the full 8hr day to do her work... i did it in the first 2 hrs of my day and then had nothing to do besides wait for the phone to ring. for being so good at my job i would get bitched at that i was just sitting around, so i asked what they would like me to work on. they either had no answer or told me to clean the office (we had janitors on staff that did that and it was no way in my job description). none the less i did do as i was told and cleaned up the office, since it took 20mins to an hour tops. when i finished i asked what they would like me to do next... they told me to do it again, i asked why, if i had done a bad job or i missed something. no, they just wanted me to look busy..... Long story short... corporations are bullshit.
Sounds like the person who did that job before you was smart by taking the entire shift to do it lol
I had an "employer" that did this. He signed a contract for my services and the contract specifically stated what those services entailed. He tried to get me to do work outside of what the contract stipulated and I refused. He didn't like it because I finished my work quicker than I usually did; I was training a third person, who I had to pay. He didn't hire me again, but I contracted out my services to a competing venue and made them a lot of money. In those situations I hold them to the contract they agreed to.
You guys hit the nail on the head. IMO if you're doing the job you were hired to do at a satisfactory level, and you don't have a conflict of interest (i.e. working for competitors), then there's absolutely nothing wrong with holding multiple jobs. The key is whether you're fulfilling your obligations or not. IMO this even applies if you're not holding multiple jobs. If you're not fulfilling your duties, expect to lose your job. Period.
This is logical. Many bosses are all ego, no brains. Can't use logic with those types
Nah F*** a conflict of interest. None of your business if I also work for a competitor unless I'm a literal advertiser lmao.
@@forwardmoving8252 lol, that's not how that works xD
@@forwardmoving8252 no, competition needs to be compwetition. Not "grab employees from then and take their knowledge for free"
I think the main point is "full time job". When you're doing that, you're expected to dedicate specific hours to it, and certain degree of availability outside of those hours. Which will never mix well with other full time job. It just won't.
I work in warehousing and sometimes when we don't have as much to do, we either can get voluntary unpaid leave or stay and sweep, it's really funny at the end of the day seeing 20 people holding brooms just waiting for our shift to end. building is already swept we just got to look like we are kinda doing something.
Fake it till you make it. 😂
"Why do people not want to work for us?"
Let's make it clear: when they talk about having 2 jobs, they aren't talking about working back-to-back, they are talking about having clashing work hours and most of the time the exact same schedule
I don't know why people are missing this part.
Like your double clocking your same 40 hours. Your not working 80 hours, but rather squeezing 2 jobs in those 40.
People tend to be on favor of anything that goes against companies, even if the thing is immoral
Wouldn't be happening of they paid enough. It's immortal to pay slave wages, yet most jobs do it.
@@tilburg8683it's either slavery or you have a wage. Don't like, you're free to find another job...
@@tilburg8683 no, that's not true. You're not seeing McDonald's employees doing this crap. It's people that earn 50-60k+ a year that are doing that. So, no, it's not people that are paid slave wages. It's some of the most well-paid people that do this, because they feel entitled.
I can only imagine Amazon trying this. They’d lose 1/4 of their work force
3/4*
Who at amazon is working another job *during their shift*? That's the issue bro, literally double shifting because you are remote
I find it funny that companies expect an employee to act honestly and ethically and companies generally act dishonestly and unethically, a paradox or hypocrisy.
Working for 2 different companies at the same time is the current meta in IT.
In agile environment it's prety good actually
@@bigbrain8839 Yeah, but if they are paying you for 40 hours they really arent expecting you to work on another company's unrelated projects on their time. Ive seen people use job 1s printers, storage, space, and resources to make money at job 2. And got caught.
@@robrobinson8597 generally engineering jobs are paid on salaries, not hourly. Also if you're prioritizing hourly work as opposed to efficient quality work, you will receive garbage everytime. Industry leaders know this, and in certain fields that is desirable. Not in software.
@@robrobinson8597 that's kinda stupid, in my case i work 2 full time remote job so i dont have any work related asset on me
@@robrobinson8597 I work on software and work remotely on 2 jobs. my jobs dont compete, and both work email based. I use a switcher to switch between compterer on my monitor. :) in other words they dont care how many jobs I have as long I complete my tickets on time
Had something like that with a boss of mine, telling me to quit my other job(its a different line of work) or he’ll fire me because I am losing focus at work. So I asked him “Do I finish all my work and leave on time everyday?” . He was fumbling his way, trying to change the topic. I told him to answer my question and when he said “Yes” , I told him to get off my back.
Some bosses just feel entitled enough that they feel like their employees should be only working for them.
Yeah, they think they own you and your whole life. It could also be a powerplay, they're trying to dominate over you. Good on you for standing your ground.
good
@@AnonD38 Whatever you say kid. Here's for sticking up for the big guys!
@@AnonD38 "Don't delude yourself." as you defend yourself from an argument I never even told. Face it, a corporation neither needs nor deserves your charity. On the contrary, they give none of it and deserve none of it in turn.
@@AnonD38 That isn’t how the CEO in this video was trying to frame it. He was essentially saying that working two simultaneous full-time jobs is a form of time theft from your employer and therefore immoral. The was no mention of employee performance until later in the video, when he was giving what he believes are “tips for spotting,” said employees. He believes working two simultaneous full-time jobs is a problem regardless of performance.
I agree that in this case he had every right to fire them. It’s absolutely a problem and a fireable offense, if working two simultaneous full-time jobs impacts your performance at ether job.
But I see no problem with working two simultaneous full-time jobs, provided there is no conflict of interest and you are performing at the expected standards for both positions. It’s not inherently a bad thing.
This totally doesn't take into account the main reason WHY people work more than 1 job. Especially if you live in California. Right now in California, average housing cost is $769,000. On a 30 year fixed loan with current interest rates that is $4,762 a month. Minimum wage is $15. At 40 hours a week, for 52 weeks, that gets you $31,200 a year. Taxes will take 18.4% of your annual salary (federal, state, social security, and medicare). This brings your approximate annual take-home pay to $25,450. You would only be making HALF what you require for housing alone, not including food, vehicles, school debt, other debt, etc. Even if you just take the average rent cost in CA, that is $1,726 a month, equaling out to $20,712. That gives you $4,738 to last you 12 months for food, vehicle, debt, etc. All of this is expecting you to support only yourself. If you have a family, you better hope for more.
Point being, if they want you to only have 1 job. PAY THEM to only have one job. If a company can report 2 billion dollars in profit for a year, and you have employees struggling, your profits are coming from their pockets. You are stealing from your workers, forcing them into poverty or working-poor situations for those massive profits that never go to the people propping you up on their shoulders.
If you’re working remote, you don’t have to live in an expensive area.
@@shiina29people don't like hiring remote workers anymore 😞
The problem is you are comparing the average home price to the lowest possible wage. It doesn't really make much sense. The same thing could be said if you took Jeff Bezo's home in Beverly Hills and compared it to the average wage. They just aren't comparable. If you work minimum wage your around the 25th percentile of earners. I'm not sure what the 25th percentile home value is in California, but I think it would make your argument stronger if you used those numbers instead.
If only people were allowed to move elsewhere....
In Arizona we have anti-competitive laws meaning a job cannot fire you for having other jobs, or even fire you for saying you are looking for another job.
They can only fire you if you have access to trade secrets and could otherwise engage in espionage, which espionage is illegal on a federal level. But "software" engineers having trade secrets? Maybe. But they could prove that the second job in no way was a competitor or even participated in the same commerce field, then that would be illegal in Arizona.
Not all states are as awesome as bipartisan states like Arizona.
I do think this CEO has a point. If you get a second job with the intent to milk to hours for the check but know you will underperform on purpose. Because you just want the free money, and who cares if you get fired? You have your main job.
So I agree with the CEO, only for one reason, it's like stealing from an actual promising candidate, you are taking the chance from someone else who applies.
Imagine actually listening to what a CEO, of all people, has to say about ethics and honesty.
LOL what a dumb comment
What's wrong with a CEO? It's like saying all black men are evil because a small group of young black men commit most violent crime. Obviously most black people are fine people.
A lot of CEOs are on multiple boards lol.
@@JfkNeedsWindWall the fact that their salaries amount to theft doesn't raise any alarms? Nah you are basic so such complexity escapes you.
@@spyfire242 OK Karl Marx.
these CEOs are gonna shit themselves when they find out their $100k work-from-home programmers are finishing their day's work in 2 hours and spending the rest of the day playing video games and taking piano lessons.
Yeah, and why should companies dictate what employees do with their downtime?
🤣 Yup
@@mactastic144 because if you agree to an 8 hour day, you’re being paid an 8 hour day you should dedicate 8 hours of your day to work, if you’re only getting a 2 hour work load hey take advantage of it I don’t give a fuck but it’s certainly not morally the best thing to do, but okay your games or whatever, but if you then go and sell your time to another company then you’re stealing
@@WCamden Most programmers aren't paid by the hour. They have tasks they work on for the day that go toward a larger overall project. If they get those tasks done faster than what is required, and the code is solid, then how are they stealing, exactly?
@@SGTsnick3 Yes they are. The overwhelming majority of programmers are paid by the hour, very few are paid based on deliverables and even if you are a salaried employee part of your employment contract is that you will be "working" a minimum number of hours. That means if you aren't working or doing things that benefit the employer and you are instead spending 6 hours a day playing video games you are not fulfilling your agreed upon contract. As a developer if you aren't being tasked with enough work then you should be asking for more work, or completing continuing education, or taking initiative to find projects you can work on yourself to benefit the company/customer. I have never worked a job in IT in over 12+ years as a senior developer that didn't have a literally mountain of work that *could* be done but wasn't a priority. People are just lazy/greedy it's that simple.
work 87 jobs, be a man.
I work 46hrs a day. These kids nowadays just don't wanna work 🤷♂️
better yet, be those 87 companies, and be a corporate god
I work 88
Breaking news: CEO under impression he owns employees lives.
Not your life, but he has paid for 40 hours of your week and has a reasonable expectation of having the primary use of that time. That is what a job is. You sell your time and effort to a company and they pay you for it. Everybody cries about work/life balance these days, but seems to forget that balance indicates and equal distribution. Personal stuff is for personal time. Work stuff is for work time.
Breaking news: Labor has value and if you split your labor you don't provide value.
@@jdkillzone The time based pay scale economy is a hemorrhoid. He doesn't "buy your time." - He "buys your skills" and gives you a time constraint to complete those tasks in. Nobody owns time. It's not a tradable commodity. It's an implied contract. "I agree to do XYZ within 40 hours if you pay me ABC." - If a company actually cared about productivity they pay their people salary and monitor tasks completed. Because the company pays the same whether it takes 30 or 50 hours to complete. Most businesses would rather it be done faster. Only micro-managing penny pinching nits take the "babysitter" approach to hiring and those places you don't want to work anyways. In fact, most employees in those environments will actively go out of their way to make tasks take longer to fill up the week. But they're fine with that as long as they have warm flesh bags in their overpriced commercial rental building to justify it's existence.
As a software engineer, seen this multiple jobs thing be a pretty big standard for those that have the extra time to work on other projects.
And do you enjoy your teammates not spending time helping on projects because they are working another job?
Yup, I know a lot of Project Managers that work 5 jobs, because how easy it is to split up PM jobs like that, buddy of mine makes 900k a year cause he works 6 PM jobs all at once without any issue balancing them, because he basically only has work for 1 day of the week per job, lol
@@dave4148 i work for company A within these schedules hours, if they can't manage without me when i'm outside that schedule then they need to hire more people
8:15, exactly. My wife had to keep her pregnancy a secret at work because she was confident that she was in line for a promotion and she was afraid that she wouldn't get it if the company knew she'd be off for 2 months after the baby was born.
I'd keep anything and everything that actually matters in my life a secret, even towards co-workers, because there are some rats out there that straight-up tell.
@@The_Dutch_Jaguar oh yea most definitely
@@The_Dutch_Jaguar Co-workers are not your friends, even if they were before you started to work at the same company. I have had some pretty terrible experiences by befriending before or during work.
2 months??? My mom was off for almost 3 years after I was born...and she got paid from the state. What the heck?
@@cursedimageseveryday5559 Depends on the job or state I guess.
The thing about software engineers is that we are expected to give our life blood and every bit of our attention in benefit of the competitive advantage of a company. If you could do 2 things but you were only asked for 1 you still get seen as doing only half than you could.
Just imagine any engineer trying to pull of a stunt like "hey, I finished all my work for today in 5 minutes, I can go home, right?"
No man, you can't go home, you now won a ticket to having to work at a 80% performance increase 100% of the time, because you just proved the manager that "it can be done, Bob did it".
Yes, software engineers are paid their weight in gold, but also yes, we are one of the most exploited professions around when it comes to work hour management.
Wow, the greed. At least have some of your colleagues-in-profession have the ability to also work some of those jobs. If you are overachieving, sure, don't report it, just don't take other people's potential work.
Being paid a lot per hour of work is a luxury not many get to have, plus you usually (not often everywhere) get paid more for doing exhausting hours, or extra things, like having to live at or near work, moving, losing out on national holidays etc. So yes, if you are paid well, maybe let the next person get a chance at being paid well in your industry.
As a short-order cook working for 15$ an hour in my 30's with no benefits and no money I feel so badly for you rich software engineers being expected to actually work a whole shift and not 5 minutes.
@@saltiney8578 Yeah, tell that to the Bethesda developers working 16 hour shifts including weekends for months at a time so the managers and marketers can deliver the game "on time".
Some jobs are paid well because the people that can do them dedicate decades of their lives to learn them, and of those, the ones that are actually talented and dedicated at it are 1% of those that are even trying.
But why am I even bothering to explain this. You are likely the kind of person that thinks deep sea welders are overpaid and didn't earn it.
Some people are just freaking crabs in a bucket.
@@rodrigoserafim8834 Did you just equate deep sea welders one of the most hazordous jobs to...working at bethesda? Get a grip man you sit in a comfy office making hundreds of thousands of dollars boo hoo my boss was mean to me.
@@saltiney8578 as expected, the point went over your head. It was about skill and scarcity, not about hazardness. No, i did not equate them. But you just had to focus on anything that would justify your indignation and overlook everything else.
I work 2 jobs. I'm in IT and in my free time I animate. It's pretty normal in this field. And it's super useful if you are doing other things like animating, coding, anything creative. Really helps you think about better ways to solve problems IMO. The amount of code I've written for animation plugins is ridiculous at this point and I've used it in my normal IT job to really step up my work in both fields.
@@CottidaeSEA people keep missing this point it’s like they can’t read
Yeah. I mean developers work in the evening for example on open source projects. Might as well get paid too for programming.
The main words in your comment are “in my free time”
@@crocodiledowny2191 I do them simultaneously one job has a lot of downtime and the other has pretty relaxed deadlines and is remote so even with 2 jobs it's not bad. It just really depends on the kind of work you are doing. Once you automate most of your job and you just go to work and run some scripts and you are done there isn't too much to do
@@Robulite Compliments on that, and if you are doing your job just fine and the company is not damaged by that then who cares...
It's people that are way to caught up with those contracts that need a reality check really.
I think the issue is that the two jobs were synchronous, the hours overlapped. If one started after the working hours of the other, it would probably be fine; barring non-competes and that kind of thing. They were working the same hours at two places and there is no way to be in two places at once, or in two meetings at once, and pay attention and be productive. I used to work a second job, but it was on weekends and at night so they never interfered with each other. It's common sense to me what this guy was pissed off about.
Literally doesn't matter. If both employers are happy with your work, there's no issue. Salaried work is not hour-based. Why is it that employers can insist on unpaid overtime, but you can't overlap regular hours? Hypocrite
Non competition contracts being deemed illegal is a big W
was looking for this! isnt looking back at the past funny.
rare legislative win for the little guy in the US. But i guess they cant just rip out prostates out with barbed wire ALL the time.
Never go out of your way to do much more then the minimum required work. From my experience that only causes people to expect more and reward you less then they throw you away if you speak up. Your rarely reward for your effort.
People-usually inexperienced young employees-fall into this trap quite often. They think that if they do more than their job description asks of them they will be more likely to be promoted, because they’re displaying “initiative” and “competence” to perform greater tasks. In reality this results in them never getting a promotion; if you can have someone who’s doing manager work for floor level salary/wage it just doesn’t make sense to promote them to do the same thing they’re already doing and for more pay
@@kevinc8955 but your case is the exception not the rule, companies are always extremely bottom heavy and very light at the top regardless of how small or large the company is. It’s basic business, if you’re in the business of making money then you’re not going to essentially give money away by promoting someone who already does the work of a higher paid position for lower pay. If you do that then you’re trading in business ethics for personal ethics. It is the ethical responsibility of a company to maximize profits for shareholders and investors, your personal ethics might lead you as a manager to promote someone for going “above and beyond” but that doesn’t means it’s the right thing to do for the company.
@@kevinc8955 not the point at all. In any job you only promote out of necessity, same as how you should only hire out of necessity.
When it is time to promote, a well business minded employer will promote those who will provide the most additional value for the money. If you have 10 employees, 8 meet their quotas on time, 1 meets their quotas ahead of time, and 1 is doing far more work than any of the others, it makes sense to promote the one who is performing their duties ahead of time instead of the one who uses their time to do even more work.
Promotion happens, I’m not arguing it doesn’t, but it happens out of necessity and it should generally happen in a way which maximizes the profit to company, shareholders, and the investors
@@kevinc8955 that happens because jobs need to be competitive, why work for apple if samsung pays more. That’s exactly what I’m saying, companies make strategic decisions concerning the pay and position of their employees, and they aren’t promoting people for doing more work, they’re promoting people because it makes financial sense for the company.
It is reality, no amount of skill required for a task will make a company impervious to the effects of poor decision making. Strange that you’re approaching this anecdotally, talking about the promotions you’ve gotten and claiming I simply don’t know because I must not have “experienced it,” yet I’m giving you simple facts that apply in every business regardless of specialty or skill requirements.
Sounds like you just don’t like thinking that perhaps your position in life was influenced more by forces outside of your control than you’d like to admit.
I worked my ass off at the lowest factory position because I'm naturally good at... menial factory labour, and enjoy helping people. It made getting my first promotion, with a crazy 50 cent raise, super easy. In the two weeks of this new position, I've gotten in trouble more in than the last 3 years, for doing exactly what I've always done. It feels like I gave the company 200% and my reward was getting spit on.
They were probably full time remote billing two companies for working the same 8 hours. Atleast that was my initial thought
Yes - that's EXACTLY what they're doing, it's obvious that's what the original comment was about and this whole topic is entirely misunderstood for some reason
@@MGPortraitArt Agree completely. The CEO is right. They are working 2 jobs at the exact same time rotating meetings and work tasks during the same time frame.
That's what I'm thinking as well. That's the only way "stealing" can come into it. Billing hours that you didn't actually work for the company.
if I hired someone for $130/hr I would want each hour I’m paying for spent working for me. Otherwise I could have paid $60/hr if they were going to spend half the time working on something else.
People are absolutely brain dead. But they heard ceo and see red.
The cited post from the CEO specifically says he's not talking about moonlighting or side hustles. This is specifically about people who are committed to working X number of hours per day for their employer and then dishonestly doing this again with a second employer and only giving each of them half the effort (or perhaps some other distribution, like 60/40).
There is still no problem with it. Unless you view starvation as a viable solution.
@@petrri323 there is a problem with it. your just someone who despises companies to the point that doing illegal and dishonest things to them is an ok thing(which it isnt)
@@bullettime1116for software engineering, if you write code well and you know your stuff, you can easily finish your work, estimated to be done in 2 weeks, within 12 hours by copying and pasting😂. Then you send the results to some stack holder, wait for a day for his/her response. On top of that, put a code in production requires other people, so if they are occupied, nothing you can do.
If you can fulfill your job requirements while doing that so what? If you can't, then you deserve to be fired. Not for "stealing", just for failing to do the job.
Essentially he's talking about quiet quitting, or just doing the base requirements of your job. If you're remote, and you can do the 8 hour job in 4 hours, and then do the same at another job, good for you. If you're getting the job done so what?
Instead of trying to shame someone like that and fire them maybe the company should promote them and have them train other employees how to be that productive.
@@wallywest2360 Read what the CEO said in his post. They were new employees and had subpar performance. Either way they should be fired if they suck as employees. If they were good employees, he probably never would have found out they were double dipping with their time.
That shit's happened at almost every job I've ever had. Work crew gets smaller, workload stays the same, individual workload increases, then it becomes a game of how can I milk this job until they have to fire me because there's no way I'm doing 4 people's jobs for 1 person's pay.
Apparently, just doing the job you were hired for is called "quiet quitting"
I once worked for a job that the manager reprimanded me for working a part time job telling me that if I needed more money to work OT, but when I started to do more OT get reprimanded for that because "there's no money in the budget for OT". The 2 jobs was in completely different fields and the part-time job was only 4 hours every weekday and starts 3 hours after my clock out from my primary job and I was not under performing at both. Learned that they just want us to dedicate blood and soul to only that company.
Why did you let him know?
Don't share anything outside of work with your boss or co-workers even if they are friendly
I didn't, he overheard a conversation I had with another employee.
@@burrybondz225 yeah that was a deff lesson learned, my co-worker was also reprimanded too for just talking about it with me
Yeah, never talk about that stuff at work. I work 2 jobs, ain't nobody at work is going to know about it.
I got fired once after finishing what I had to do, when one of my co-worker wasn't working and just making excuses (he did not get fired), after 3 months they asked me if I could re-join the project, like I was going to be waiting for them to call me :/, in any case, companies don't see you but a number, I mean disposable number...
as a person that worked a seasonal retail job last october and my regular job last year I call bullshit. I totally agree that you can work two jobs if you can handle it. But for everyday people that are not lucky enough to have their own companies we may need two jobs just to make a living.
Oh yeah black Friday is the beginning of hell season.
@@zacharyhawley1693 yeah I regret working seasonal. Black Friday at Kohls was HELL
@@MadiBendy worked at a mall. Worst decision of my life. Since not only did extra duties get dumped on me during covid. I was still expected to perform the regular duties as well.
@@zacharyhawley1693 As someone that works part time jobs currently It is ridiculous how many projects I have that would normally be given to someone in a full time position but I only get paid part time
@@MadiBendy at least you aren't assistant manager with none of the privileges. That's a special layer of hell I wish on no one. I had to close open, open close. So full time turned into essentially never leaving. There's burning a candle at both ends and there's being blowtorched. Burn out was brutal.
The minute corporations decided to no longer be loyal to their employees back in the 1970s-80s the employees lost their mandate to be loyal to the company.
Don't tell your employer shit about you that isn't relevant to your current work, always keep them at arms length to protect yourself. If you can work 2 jobs in the same hours and get away with it, do it. They would outsource your job to another country or an AI in a HEARTBEAT to make a profit.
They are not your friend/family, they will not give you raises, you have to make them or leave once you know your value.
Never tell them a job was easy, just that you finished and the result.
Always take your full breaks and full lunches.
Don't answer your phone/email from your job on time off. (unless its specifically an on call job)
Always be looking for a new job that pays better.
Only give 2 weeks if it works for you.
I learned that when you ask for more work all the time, you're actually setting an expectation that you can work at that rate for the same pay. Sometimes they might give you training for a different role and responsibility and you can position yourself for an eval and raise, but if they're poop people, they will deny that additional experience and value as raise worthy and just micromanage you to work at that optimal level as if they could just hire someone else just as experienced and capable. Best thing to do is keep quiet, and use that extra time to get another job juggled, and appreciate your good time management.
Can you fill in for that manager who just quit? It's totally temporary, until we hire a replacement
It sounds like the person might have been on the clock at both jobs at the same time. If that's the case then the person is sort of stealing from the company.
It depends but could be.
@@gmarefan If one job is to press a button once an hour for a second ... he is stealing 1 second an hour from the second employer ...
Software Engineers are not paid by the hour unless it's contract work. If it's contract work you just log/bill your hours. Majority of positions are salary and have flexible office hours or work from home. It's more about features, deadlines, and staying on project schedule/getting your shit done.
@@IcedLance I never stated you could do nothing. My response was to this idea of "on the clock". This concept doesn't exist. If you can work 80 hours at one job, you can work 40 at 2. As long as your meeting expectations. I am a software engineer and work at all sorts of different hours weekends, 2am w/e.
As long as there's not a conflict of interest with you working for a competitor, vendor/partner for your company, etc, then there's literally no reason for them to be fired. I'd be suing, unless they're in an at will state.
Edit: if they are working 2 jobs within the same time window, then that's not copasetic
If you're being paid a full-time wage/salary, and you're giving your employer half of the time and effort that they're paying you for, then there's every reason for them to be fired. You're *necessarily* giving them half the time they're paying you for.
Full time positions, not part-time, and it clearly made their work standard so poor that they ended up getting caught.
@@PowerfulSkeleton Sorry and never mind. I don't know enough about it to be making statements.
@@mage1439 as a software engineer working in corporate America this is the way of things. You have highly specialized work that is paid on salary. That means I'm paid to do a task and thats all my team cares about. If I can get the task done in 4 hours, I go on maintenance mode and am available if issues pop up. If it requires me more than 8 hours I will work overtime to complete what is needed in a given timeframe. Regardless I'm paid to accomplish something not spend an arbitrary amount of time twiddling my thumbs in a cubicle
@@PowerfulSkeleton If I, as an employee, doing the required amount of work that I'm being paid for, I am at work at the assigned hours(if I'm not working from home, which software engineers can do and they can create their own schedule) - then no, there is no reason for me to fired. While in this specific situation those employees were in the wrong and deserved to be fired, the CEO reasoning, and yours as well, is wrong. His list of "wrongs" is idiotic as well and shows how he treats his workers clearly.
If I'm done the work that's required of me and I want to work another job - I will and should be able to. And the CEO's like that and the whole atmosphere of work toxicity is a reason why programmers, artists and other workers who can freelance choose to do that, instead of trying to work at a company, where you did your job in half the assigned time and yet for some reason you should still pretend that you are working - because apparetnly is unethical, the employer paid me for that many hours, so that many hours I should work. This whole concept is idiotic in professions like that.
@@bloso2980 Yeah, I realized I was full of shit by ignorance not far in.
Also, Asmon, non compete doesn't mean not working two jobs simultaneously. It means that in case of severance you're not allowed to work the same branch, in the same state (city, what have you) meaning you cannot compete with the firm you've signed with.
What’s missing here (because neither companies nor the overemployed folks want to say it out loud) is how multiple full time jobs destroys the traditional power dynamic of employment.
There’s some real game theory at play here.
It’s hard work being a top performer, and making a meaningful impact within a company is even harder.
You know what’s easier than that? Doing the bare minimum to not get fired in two jobs at the same time. It’s LESS work overall, between 50%-100% more pay, and if you get fired you still have at least one other job. So what’s an expendable cog in the machine to do?
But companies don’t want to fix it either. That would involve proportional reward for the value employees contribute. That’s something that companies are used to keeping for themselves - so instead of fixing it they try to cripple people’s ability to work multiple jobs in other ways - hard line stances and fear tactics, and mandating return to office.
Employees who are rewarded for their contributions, and are empowered to make an impact without constant fear of being fired for the slightest thing feel no need to work two jobs.
Depends on the context. My Foster mother is a Clinic Manager, her secretary was working a second job. Where, instead of doing her job as the secretary in a medical clinic, she was doing online work for a second company.
She was slowing the already terribly slow Canadian healthcare system, by not doing her job. Ignoring it for her other online job. In this case, she is stealing company time, and not providing the service you are being paid to do. Shes not facilitating the people in for medical care, not filing the reports, not getting all the work she needs done. All the while shes using that paid company time, to do work for another company. It's time theft.
Now, if all her shit was handled, and she did it off company time [or at least didn't interrupt her on duty responsibilities] thats a different story.
I worked in recruitment for a bank for number of years, mainly recruiting IT contractors. There were clauses in their contract's stating that they won't work for another company whilst they were working for us. Especially if they were working for another bank which is a huge conflict of interest. A lot of them did anyway but it always went all the way bad for them when they were found out.
I work multiple freelance/contract jobs at a time but they're in different industries. And if there could be any conflict I speak with the person I'm contracted with before accepting the new contract. Honestly just trying to pay bills, man. Definitely not "stealing".
Depends how your pay is structured. If u are getting paid by hour for 8 hours then they shouldn't have two jobs. All your hours need to be dedicated to your main job. If your pay is structured by contact completion then have at it, get as many jobs u want.
Isn't this the same story where the two employees were missing meetings and deadlines because they were trying to juggle both jobs on the same hours? If they had a second job on their own time that's one thing. If they are not meeting the requirements of their job because they are trying to double book the same hours, then yeah, gotta say they deserve to be fired.
I think most people are fundamentally misunderstanding the CEO's statement. When he says "working two full-time synchronous jobs", he isn't meaning the conventional linear sense where you clock in to one job for 8 hours and then leave and go to your other job and clock in for another 8 hours for a total of a 16 hour work day. He means you clock in to two jobs simultaneously (synchronously) for 8 hours, for a total of an 8 hour work day, basically double dipping. I think this is stealing, because both employers are paying their shared employee with the implicit expectation that they are going to give their undivided time and attention for the time that they are clocked in, but really they're giving their divided time and attention and still reaping a full paycheck from both employers. And if it's talking about salaried work, it's the same problem. In the age of remote work where you don't have to go into an office and show face, it becomes possible to do something like this.
I don’t understand why someone would have an issue with this. As long as you’re performing the duties expected of you (for all your jobs), then why not? Have as many jobs as you can at once (so long as you remain a good employee)
@@bobhanson1037 agreed, its all about control mechanisms.
Indeed, if you do the work your employed to do, and have no NCE, whats the problem you working two jobs?
Zack really did some bad takes on this one imo, making strawmen arguments that the employees must have been bad and so on without any info lol.
they weren't performing genius that's why they got caught in the first place
@@syzler8664 You have no clue why they got caught, so please let your brain work it out before opening your cock-holster the next time my dude :)
@@syzler8664 yeah, but this CEO is saying it's wrong even if u are performing well. Obviously they did it badly by underperforming, but this is more of a general situation.
So an important thing to note about software engineers that most people probably don't realize: Many software engineers do NOT have non-compete clauses in their contracts because of an ethical issue. If a programmer had such a clause and leave the company, they'd have a real tough time finding work else where.
Some of these engineer jobs come with contracts stating that you can’t take up work with another company that does the same job for at least 2 years if you’re employed with the current company. This typically happens with apprenticeships or companies that hire engineers without experience or formal background and then train them. On paper this is to prevent you from “stealing” the training you received that was paid for by the company, but in practice it kinda just locks you in to the company for however long the contract specifies.
@@zachjackel well usually you get these jobs because you already have a strong knowledge base of the work being done, so the training itself isn’t exactly valuable. The training probably won’t secure you a job at another company, but the experience potentially can, and the training and non compete agreement does secure you a job with the initial company-thereby providing that experience which can be used to secure a second job.
It’s ultimately the price of playing the game; if you don’t have the money for formal training, and find an opportunity to skip the 4 years of education it might just be worth selling your soul for x amount of years. It’s not a perfect deal, but for many people it is a better deal than they ever would’ve gotten elsewhere.
I once asked an employer if I could get flexible hours so I could get a second job, as soon as I did that, every single time I saw my boss he would ask me how long I’m planning on staying around. I eventually just gave up and it caused me to be poor enough that I had to choose between toothpaste and food.
I think it should be illegal for a company to contact you outside of work hours and be able to fire over not wearing a uniform.
What a title. 🤪
_" Stop making money pleb. Be poor and enable US to make money. "_ ... is what I am reading out of this.
The level of narcissism and pettiness stemming from those executives is staggering.
Its they like they are on a Revenge , alot of these ceos were bullied before having power
Yeah, guy is the CEO of a small to mid sized company, spent probably 6-8 months having his HR and engineering staff interview applicants, then they showed up half-assed their job and used his company's property to attend meetings and work for another larger company in the same industry, that he was led to believe they left to take his job offer, while on the clock at his office, What right does he have to be mad?
@@davidmendenhall4090 Then the CEO should get off his butt and start coding
He does none of the work and takes most of the money. What do you call that but theft?
He has every right to be mad about everything you said and if that’s what those people did, then they were justifiably fired. But his message was not really about the points you outlined. His issue was with how some people are not 100% dedicated to their employer and instead spend some of their time working for another employer. It’s a general statement about “you’re cheating on me with another employer, you’re a bad person”. And that’s profoundly narcissistic and petty. Had he kept his message to a simple: “FYI if you work for two employers simultaneously and you do a bad job at one of the companies you work for, then prepare yourself to be fired by said company”, it would have been appropriate. But he went on to make general statements about employees needing to be fully committed to their employers under moral pretenses, when what he really means is that, as the CEO, his employees implicitly owe him their undivided attention and time, and they implicitly are supposed to be subjugated to him and his company. That’s just his narcissism speaking.
He didnt even read the announcement. asmongold missed this one big time.
I'm going to probably edit this a few times if I make it through the whole thing.
4:45 - My only issue would be the "trying to be in two meetings at once" if you are doing this then yes you are stealing you are not giving 100% of your time to 1 company, are you only charging them 1/2 time while you are in both meeting if not you are stealing from both companys.
7:30 - Ehh I did this at Kohl's like 25 years ago as a stock boy, inventory has been scanning items for a while now. I don't see why people complain so much these days about doing work.
11:50 - Like you said they are not investing as much time into this. 2 full time jobs on average especially in the tech industry will be Mon-Fri needing to work 16 hours a day. That's rough and I can kind of see the argument, it seems very likely at least over time working 16 hours a day 5 days a week will get to most people... maybe not all but man I have a rough time with work and school(about 2-4 hours a day on average) at least after 2 years of it.
Both software companies I've worked for had a section in the contract where you agreed to not work for any other companies without clearing it. I presume because they want to make sure the people they're hiring will make sure to prioritize the company during working hours. At the last company, my buddy did some contracting work after hours and the company was cool with it.
More impressed by these people's ability to maintain this situation than anything else..
This reminded me of a guild i was in during TBC, they had a rule that limited how many alts you could have in the guild and you were not allowed to have alts be members of other guilds.
Not....quite the same thing my man.
The job I just started at US bank requires you to disclose to your GM that you’re taking on a second job, it’s for litigious and conflict of interest reasons among probably more shit as far as I know
They worked two jobs at the same time, I don't think they worked 80 hours a week.
You can't possibly have two fulltime jobs without them conflicting with each other.
If you are working for 16 to 18 hours a day you won't be able to rest properly between jobs or take care of your daily chores at home. Additionally you won't be able to work overtime if needed.
It 100% results in an efficiency loss and a higher risk of something going wrong because you are tired at work and they pay you for you doing your best according to your abilities which you are definitely not doing.
Part time jobs is something else. But another full-time job is 100% an efficiency loss which an employer does not have to tolerate.
Half comments are reasonable, half are Karl Marx. Pretty standard.
I honestly agree with the employer. Software engineers are payed over $120k a year for full time. He literally says they had bad performance. They are paid for 8 hours of work and not 4 hours. They don’t finish their task for the day and go home, they have weeks of work lined up to be completed and if you finish a task you should ask for another. Sure if this is McDonald’s I don’t expect you to do other tasks that aren’t your job but when you are a professional it’s entirely different.
But he didn't really imply that it was the performance that was the fundamental issue.
I think that your experience working for the government was an outlier. Every job I've worked at will always find something for you to do once you've completed your normal tasks. They'll just half train you for something else and demand you do it. I'd love to just be able to focus on completing the assigned task and take a break afterwards.
Seems like you completely missed the "2 syncronous jobs", meaning both would be like an 8 to 5 jobs, not 2 jobs at different times.
If you hire me for 8 to 5, and the last 4 hours I only work for a different company, that is stealing.
If you take on two jobs and your work shifts, e.g., 8am to 5pm, overlaps between the jobs, then it's stealing regardless of non-compete agreements.
But if you're on salary and are expected to work outside those hours anyway, then its just a matter of finding 40 hours a week for the one job and 40 hours a week for the other job, right?
Objectively stealing is wrong but subjectively stealing from people who are egregiously over compensated is leaps and bounds past what I feel most people would be capable of producing empathy for.
It's not stealing because that's not how stealing is defined in the dictionary.
it’s funny seeing a ceo talk about “stealing” when they make their profits directly from the theft of labor of their workers. this dude can go to hell
Theft of labor..?
@@ericomfg I don't see Jeff Bezos delivering packages
Yet the people who do have to pee in bottles or get fired. The people who sit on yachts all day get most of the money from people who can't even use the bathroom. How does that work?
@@TheHauntedKiwi Jeff Bezos most certainly delivered packages ...
Thats not how labor works.
I work in a Post-Secondary institution and if we get another job we must report it to the school and determine if there would be a conflict of interest.
I wonder if that institution also has to report to you so you can determine any conflict of interest in their dealings.
What's the issue? As long as you do the job you're getting paid for.....
If you are paid for 40 hours a week with a set work schedule, if you're working another job during those same work hours then you are stealing from your employer. If you're working your second job outside of your regular work hours then it's fine. It's an important distinction to make. It sounds like they were working two jobs during the same working hours, which makes the complaint entirely valid.
This happens ALL THE TIME with engineers. Usually it is just contract/temp work for small jobs. But the second you want to have 2 steady incomes, everyone gets all butthurt.
I assume the "theft" is if you have 2 jobs and you're clocked in at both and working both at the same time, you can't commit your time to one while you're working on the other.
clocked in? every job being talked about in these videos are obviously salary positions...if you are meeting all expectations of both jobs what difference does it make?
Companies like to peddle the whole family thing, which i find true. They're an abusive family that while you're gone they start to miss you, but when you're there they will do everything to make your life miserable.
YUP
I avoid those jobs. All "family" means to them, is an expendable resource. I remember working for a company like that. The owner/manager was a drunk prick that was abusive to his employees. Well, he hadn't done anything to me yet, and everybody quit. I was running around for months, doing everybody's job. Me, the reptile guy, running small animals aquatics, product ordering and setting up promotions. I was falling on some hard times, my lizard got sick and I needed some extra money for the vet and I asked for a raise. I was told to just shut up and do my job, even though that clown had refused to hire more people. I just know reptiles, but had to learn how to run an entire store on the fly, because they wanted to pay a dude minimum wage to do an entire floor staff worth of work. Yeah, "family" lmao.
from the first minute of the video; "working two jobs" in this context (although limited lol) sounds to me like people were working from home and claiming to be on the clock for two different full time jobs at the same time. Which I would agree is stealing/fraudulent.
I think you and the other guy misunderstood what the CEO said. CEO wasn't talking about having two jobs in general where you do one job and then do another job after. He was talking about having two jobs that interfere with each other on the same working hours. If you spend 8 hours and split 4/4 on two jobs where you're expected to spend 8 hours each - that's morally wrong and stealing.
The gall to bring up ethics as a ceo
@ONLY COURAGEOUS PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO WATCH MY VID unoriginal
What percent of people never make it to retirement
I know right, the audacity to run a company.
@@FrantisekPicifuk which company are you the ceo of ?
@@FrantisekPicifuk doesn't change the fact that businessmen talking about "ethics" in a capitalist society is the most ironic thing ever.
Having 2 jobs is like having 2 accounts on a MMO, you get to farm more loot. But really it’s crazy you can get fired for working 2 jobs
You're missing the part where these people are "clocked in" and reporting the same hours to both companies. They aren't getting fired for working two jobs, they are getting fired for committing fraud by claiming time they are working for another company as time worked for their other job.
They didn't get fired for working two jobs, they got fired for reporting the same hours worked to two different companies when they only worked half the time. It's fraud, and in many places it's illegal and you can go to jail for it.
Imagine being so poorly paid for a high tech high skill job that you have to have 2 full time jobs.
How much is being "underpaid" and how much is just shitty money management and having to hustle.
99% of people waste so much money on pointless shit.
That's not entirely it, working Software Engineering you can end up with a lot of downtime between projects, so why not take advantage of that downtime for extra cash?
Buddy of mine works 6 jobs, does he need to? Absolutely not, he lives alone in a low cost of living state, and if he worked ONE job he'd be making 150k a year still. But with how much free time working Project Management gives him- why not make 900k a year instead? Not like he's doing anything else with his free time.
this was in reference to people who are actively being (on the clock) at 2 companies durring the same hour I work from home and could do 3 jobs at the same time without them knowing so many companies have started putting checks in place to make this not happen
If employers actually paid people well, they wouldnt feel the need to work two full time jobs >_>
Businesses have no right to dictate what you do in your free time, unless you're using your free time to use IP that you've learned from that job in an attempt to compete.
I think that if you list all of the companies you are an angel investor for alongside your employment information, there is an automatic implication that you provide more than just capital for those companies. There would be no purpose to listing them otherwise, unless he is lying or trying to mislead the reader. Josh's point stands.
Isn't an angel investor just someone who provides capital?
@@Kefka2010 Angel investors provide capital in exchange for partial ownership of the company. Nobody just hands out money to startups for no benefit to themselves. And it's not the investment itself that holds the implication, it's the context in which he lists it. Why would you list a bunch of companies you just threw money at and don't actually control to some degree? I can guarantee if those companies started losing him money this guy would be all over them in a heartbeat.
@@ChickenPizza I would expect he got shares of the company but having 20% A shares doesn't really mean anything. Just like me having 10,000 B shares doesn't mean I own any appreciable amount in a company. Chances are the company founders will own a controlling share of the stocks and have full say.
I wouldn't expect an angel investor to have a controlling share of a company.
The problem is the "full-time"... both companies are paying for the same amount of hours and getting half your attention... that is totally stealing.
If you are hired for performance, not time, than there is an argument.
"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
*Works 80 hr/week
"You're a thief"
Not really working 80 hrs if they aren’t doing anything
Guarantee what they’re talking about. Here is salaried employees Home maybe three or four days a week showing up for a meeting once a week or something and they’re also working for someone else during that same time at home so instead of getting their full workout, put during their expected work hours their output is being split between two different jobs And that is. I’m sure what they’re talking about.
When you're on the clock, the company expects you give 100% of your attention to that job