Do Sandy and Sue Approve of the Kia EV9?
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Sandy and Sue share their likes, dislikes, and suggestions for the Kia EV9.
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The Honda Prologue is the best electric vehicle on the market it has regular door handles which air dynamics is not going to hurt the the range hardly crap so you might as well just have regular door handles which are more reliable than pop out motorized door handles more crap to break tesla's known for malfunctioning door handles. it has regular push button start on and off you have a regular gear selector you have regular turn signal your regular windshield wiper you have regular headlight buttons regular AC controls regular radio controls all this other stuff or people just doing engineering for the sake of engineering which is not good engineering just like that drink holder it's just complicated it's it's just more crap to break on this kia just like all this all these old Cadillacs back the air suspension all of them went out just more to break it's it's crap design 101 and Honda knows what they're doing most of you guys don't know what they're doing I said motorized charging port doors always malfunctional in Tesla's the hot the Honda prologues is just regular you just press it in it pops out it's not motorized it's mechanical that's not going to break like a Tesla's. also glass roofs hail stones will bust through them video on youtube of it dangerous. tesla might be good software engineers but vehicle engineers they are not.
I don't prefer buttons. It feels cluttered.
@@elainebradley8213 cluttered in a screen cluttered with a million tiny on screen buttons u can hardly push muchless with a glove on lol.
@@billybobbob3003 Based on a rather long TH-cam (like an hour) of a press day drive of a Honda Prologue, it appears there’s a lot to like. It appears Honda tuned the GM Blazer EV Ultium guts of the Prologue for a pleasant balance of driving fun with comfortable accommodations for its occupants. Honda did not try hard to disguise the Ultium derivation. Things like steering column are straight General Motors. It appears the on board software is also largely GM kit. The reviewers noticed that now and then, the stability control identifies itself as “Stabilitrack” when toggled. I believe I recognize the door handles as the same ones that are on my Chevy Bolt. I agree that the alleged aerodynamic savings aren’t going to be great by switching to motorized flush mount handles which pop out. The latter are just more mechanisms to break or jam up in the winter when humidity inevitably gets in the door. Motorizing door handles adds the weight of the mechanisms and the wiring to power them.
People like to write off General Motors as backward and uncreative, but General Motors has been building electric propulsion systems of various kinds since about the 1950s and General Motors has done detailed research into battery chemistry and prolonging service life for many years. GM built deplorable cars, especially in the 1990, but GM has over a hundred years of institutional knowledge of how to build products to a price point,
I’ve been impressed with what ai have read about the Silverado W/T 3. It is only available to fleets right now. There is an unusually large battery around 200 KWH, but the battery provides significant buffer to mitigate aging effects and is able to absorb a crazy 350 KW for something like 50% of its charging curve, and 200+ KW from 50% to 80%. Naysayers accuse the battery of being inelegant and old tech. I doubt fleet drivers really care as long as they charge as quickly as possible. The Silverado is one of the more sensible electric pickup trucks available. Now if GM would make enough of them…
I own a KIA EV: I can control almost every vital function without taking my hands off the wheel: windshield wipers front/rear, cruise, phone, indicators, bright/dip beam, regen - prabably other stuff. Never looking away from the road.
Most of the buttons functions are also available through the touch screen, but they offer you the option to use tactile controls. I like this for the radio and heat. It's your choice. I find it difficult to believe this is so traumatic.
Got it, boomer car. Guess it's great for people incapable of working a smart phone, and can barely handle an old flip phone.
@@danran4413 no - just people who like tactile readily accessible controls. Is that so unthinkable? LOL
@@danran4413I’m 34 and you act like an entitled gen Z who grew up watching tiktok instead actually touching the grass outside.
Just typical Tesla shareholders finding buttons impossible to use. I like Teslas but I’d pay a few hundred extra for a few extra physical buttons.
@@danran4413 you do know that pilots of every airplane in the sky have tactile switches and bottons...they aren't sliding their finger along a screen to lower and raise the landing gear. Now, grow a pair and grow up.
Nice to see Sue do another review with Sandy
Yes it's nice to have different views
Sue should always do impression reviews with Sandy, she provides critical balance.
Yes, she is a warm asset.
I like buttons in my car. They are much easier to use particularly for quick access things like volume control. I also do not like the Tesla idea of taking out the indicator stalk, this is a safety issue in Europe, the new arrangement is impossible when on a roundabout.
Me too, this strikes of button FUD.
There is an ideal number of buttons. What that figure is depends on each person. The basic principle should be, if you need to change it whilst driving it should be physical and easy to see. In my opinion Tesla is too extreme so I like what Kia is doing. Who’s right? That’s down to personal preference.
an excellent point. I can control all major functions on my Niro EV from the steering wheel without taking my hands off the wheel, or my eyes off the road. For those that perfer touch screens - most functions are there as well..
I agree. I think Sandy is bit bias about having buttons. Some people want to jump to controls than fiddling around steering wheel and controls. I do think the buttons on this model Kia are bit too messed / streamlined into the console to be easy to spot and interact with.
And its not a thousand dollar addition for buttons. These buttons are planned to be carried over across multiple models and the cost reduces to only a couple of dollars for buttons. It is a traditional design which is usually less expensive. No-button is definitely cheaper but not a dealbreaker for the price of the vehicle.
OH the good ole days, with rotary phones in every house. Tesla "too extreme" lmao, maybe for people that can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
@@danran4413 no-one said anything about extreme. Also, the KIA/Hyundais are, on the whole, remarkable technical/ engineering achievements - so no luddites here.
Really appreciate Sue's viewpoint as well as Sandy's.
Say it loud, i love minivans and I'm proud!
Love em. Waiting for people to get tired of pointless SUVs.
Swagger Wagon! 😂
Yes they drive better because of the lower center of the mass.
too many SUV and king cab pick ups are bad at handling accidents because the weight is too high just to add a little bit of clearance.
@@jamesengland7461 Ive never understood this attitude. Do minivans just make insecure people feel more insecure for some reason? Its weird. I used to haul 15 sheets of plywoood in the back of mine... covered, no overhang, no trailer, no straps, no tarps... just load em in and go. Theres not a single "macho" SUV that is good for hauling freaking anything. Its baffling.
I have a 2002 Acura MDX.. it might as well be a minivan. lol. 3 rows just like this thing; but in the smaller/mid sized layout.. I love it, over a minivan.
7:15 There are settings (in the touchscreen menus sandy loves so much) that adjust the location of the HUD for the driver. If you’re adjusting the seating position to see the HUD you’re doing everything backwards.
Physical buttons are safer and intuitive while on the move, touch screens just don't work in the same way and require you to look away from the road and be super accurate with key press positioning
Also, there's no point of criticizing the start button. You learn it once and you know it's there. Done. It's not that you have to re learn where it is everyday. Why do I care if someone else doesn't know how to start my car?
Made the same comment. Also, you don't use it when the car is moving, as opposed to the air-conditioning controls, that are now often moved to the touchscreen, creating a significant distraction while driving
I was also surprised they made such a big deal about that.
Yeah..start button or sensors under your ass....sorry...seat..who cares how the car start.
Always nice to have Sue on board. We need more of her.
Super irritating.
This color and SUV looks awesome
Well Sandy, Sue is a keeper young man.
The second row bench versions turn this into a 7 seater
the MODEL X is the same way , offers 5, 6 and 7 seat options.
@@markplott4820 The Model X is usless compared to this EV9, no space whatsoever. It is not a comfortable and useful 7 seater and the buld quality and interior is just cheap as f
Is that available in North America? A lot of multi row vehicles do not offer the 3 across option in North America due to certain safety requirements that are harder to meet or they get lower crash test results so they just don't offer it in some markets. Some brands DO offer it but I have noticed it missing on a number of brands in NA.
@@YKSGuy Yes, the EV9 USA site shows that the Light RWD and the Wind AWD are 7 seaters.
@@YKSGuy - TESLA model X , is a 3 row SUV that is 5 star crash rated & has Autopilot & FSD .
#1 SAFEST vehicle.
We went from TMX to this and we absolutely love it. Yes, there's a lot of bongs and whistles but the ride is so much better in the EV9. The roominess, quietness and that you can actually fit 6 people comfortably is neat. Coming from TMX where the build quality is so so to this is also positive. The whole family loves it.
Agree that Tesla doesn't make something comparable.
Wondering how it compares to R1S.
The continuous overwhelming criticism of EVs is a lack of buttons, so maybe there's a happy medium. The shift selector is problematic. Overall, with some tweaks, this will be a great vehicle.
NOPE, zero buttons is BEST .
lowers COST , makes MORE reliable .
EVERYTHING on screen w/ WORLD CLASS software Running it.
minimal controls on Streeing wheel. Excellent VIOCE command.
@@markplott4820 WORLD CLASS software... There's the problem!
Yeah, Sandy and Sue are just used to their Tesla. Thats it.
@@markplott4820 You must be joking
Completely agree with OT, until there is true self driving feature, driver control should be accessible. Tesla’s minimalism is good but multi level menu is not good when driving unless one drives only Teslas. Same problem Apple has with Apple UI, once you are in it, one cannot get out of Apple control.
Hmm, it's good to watch my age group really test a vehicle.
I think they are well into their 70s. The curious thing is, most people in that group would be confused and aggravated by screens and soft controls, but these guys were both confused and aggravated by physical controls.
@@barry7920 Hey Ho! OP/ this writer is in 'his 70's' and your right of the assessment. In his case; I LEARNED the screen work-which I 'd wager these two did as well. At this age, too many things in the brain=mush
Lots of ex Audi and BMW engineers working for Kia and Hyundai
EV9 is a cracking car for a big family
And the base is $50 plus
I am happy to see somebody making the case against buttons. A lot of people have made a sport to claim to want them, while many, many of us enjoy the simplicity of touchscreen interfaces. I respect that some people what their buttons, but it was high time to also have somebody giving voice to the millions of us who actually enjoy the uncluttered logical interfaces of buttons free interfaces. For me, going back to these things feels like going to steam. Many like it; there is probably a market for both.
The HUDs on HMG are adjustable in settings and can be tied to specific user profiles as with seating positions and mirrors
This is like watching my parents review a car. Sandy needs to stick to the tear downs.
That sized vehicle should have sliding side doors. Yup, make it a mini-van.
Good afternoon Sandy and Sue
"The frunk. I think you can put a wallet in it." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I prefer physical buttons. Once you're familiarized, you can just go by muscle memory without taking eyes off the road. Plus the button will forever be there, a software update won't change that.
With touchscreens, you simply must take your eyes off the road even just for a second to make sure you're touching the right spot.
Thumb.
1 button
"Temperature plus 5 degrees"
Etc, etc, etc,
It's "always there"
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(Plus, your hands are on the wheel, and your eyes are on the road!)
🤷🏼♀️
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I could add, those systems are going to improve even more with the AI element.
@@rogerstarkey5390 And for deaf people? Or people with difficult accents? Or peoole who dont want to spend months programming the vehicle to understand them? Or renters? Or people burrowing a vehicle someone else has setup? Or someone with 6 kids screaming in the back? Or someone who just doesnt like talking to their car? Or what happens when you lose your voice.... do you not know how to use the vehicle if you dont have a voice?
And personally... I watch my mother VERY distracted struggling to get her car or Google assistant to understand her enough to do things while shes driving and it does not at all look safer to me.
I don't need screen nor buttons. A good car doesn't need a change of settings. A lot of buttons on screen or physical is a bad design.
@@patreekotime4578 Accents are not an issue. Simply select the native language and use that. Dealing with the deaf? That would be an issue.
Well, I hate buttons. I rented cars all over the world and often arrived late at night. Try and figure out where buttons are and how the manual controls work in a strange car. It sucks and can be very dangerous if you guess wrong or forgot how to do something. And no I never started to drive until I had at least a familiarization of the controls. But every car is different.
I am not sure there is a solution for a deaf person using voice commands.
I have watched people become very distracted using physical buttons as well so that is not unique to voice commands.
I am not sure what being a renter has to do with voice commands. I am not sure what programming needs to be done to use voice commands other than select the language.
If you lose your voice, go back to bed and get well.
A bit of levity but I was smart enough to not have 6 kids and my kids would never be screaming in the back of the car. We would be back in the house or in a parking lot handling the situation. The screaming kids alone is distracted driving and should not be tolerated.
@@bryanwhitton1784 So it works for YOU. Just like it works for the engineers who designed it. Be greatful for your priviledge. And im not sure what kind of accent you think im talking about, but it is well established that these systems do not work well or sometimes at all for people with heavy regional accents, no matter what country they are from. My mother does not even have a strong accent, but she does have slight palsy and has a devil of a time getting these systems to understand her.
Sandy mentioned 6 seats only, this version has captain's chairs for 2nd row instead of a bench that would accommodate 3. Also the RWD starts ~ $57K w destination. Always like to see Sue and wish she did more content.
Sue says she needs the seat up high in order to see the heads up display, Does the car not have a HUD adjustment function so that you can see it from a lower position?
Thanks Sandy and Sue
You can option a mid row bench seat with three seats and belts which does make it a 7 seat
Love buttons..screen makes sense for cutting cost..but its not my preference..buttons gives best ergonomi
I love lots of buttons
I love, love, love the buttons! Much better to have a single destination point for a function rather than taking eyes away to scroll through menus.
I have the Ioniq 5 and my wife has the Ioniq 6. My stepson has a Tesla model 3 and we both agree (my wife and I) the Hyundai is much easier to drive because of the buttons vs a giant iPad. Yes there is acclimation involved but there is for the Tesla too so I think your comments are very subjective and personal which is fine; that's what makes the world go round.
There is a 7-seater version as well
I bought the EV9 recently..I like it has buttons however, I don’t like how they feel..especially those on the steering wheel…my last car was a Subaru Outback which had a busy steering wheel…but I think Subaru did buttons better…especially the toggle switches to change adaptive cruise settings …
I agree with you two… I LOVE the HUD..!! & i think it has 2 AC compressors with dual zone climate control..great for people like me with a snow dog! Outback is a perfect car in many ways but the rear seat ventilation was disappointing!!
LR model Y
@@markplott4820 the most outdated EV on the planet lol
@@Aztasu - EU , just got the BEST one.
RWD LR model Y , breaking Efficiency RECORDS.
still the SAFEST car you can buy.
model Y w/ 4 passengers, survived fall of 250 foot cliff in model Y.
Driver was Arrested.
@@markplott4820 lol go back to sleep. None of that is true
Sue is a gem!! Please give her more air time, or her own show!!
She doesn’t want her own show.
❤The dynamic dual:
Getting the frame of reference perspective from two of the most intelligent down to earth honest people in the World is always a treat!
Thank you so much!
Having no stalks in Tesla is precisely the thing that people absolutely hate about it. In fact, European Union is going to regulate essential mandatory buttons and stalks, so the people have basic functions accessible immediately at their fingertips. KIA is absolutely fantastic that they go against the American drive to cut cost and make driver experience a nightmare at the same time. Car controls have been refined over 100 years and we don't need Tesla's stupid move to remove essential buttons and stalks that they are audacious enough to call "innovation."
I will never ever buy a car that has no proper steering wheel or blinker stalks or a stalk to flash the lights. So a resounding NO to current Teslas.
People said the same thing when iPhones eliminated the headphone jack. Eventually all automakers will do the same. That’s why many are now going with more castings. Simplicity of manufacturing as Tesla leads the way
I prefer physical buttons. I think it safer because you don’t have to take your eyes off the road. Each their own.
@@Anthony__420 absolutely no, if you don't see a difference between a phone and road vehicle there's no point in discussing it further.
I do like the physical buttons in my Kia EV6. I'm not fond of that stalk on EV9 and the hidden start/stop button. Nice quick review.
Really, what does color have to do with anything?
And style, only thing style should be mentioned for is aerodynamics.
Get to the operation
Having a Ram with physical buttons and virtual buttons on the screen, I much prefer the physical buttons.
he gets paid
Old tech, old RAM - 70s…
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck lol1!!! very lame comment! i dare you to go to africa with those 30 years+ old vehicles those screens would have failed long time ago while driving on very bad roads! how can you put literaly everything on the screen!? yeah ans tesla was "good" enough to put emergency button as physical still.
As someone who does long trips and farms rural... touchscreen when broken is so many lost buttons... physical plastic buttons are printed in 3d printers now for less than the price of a bag of peanuts
@@dertythegrower you can also easily change the type of buttons or contacts for example! those cars in Africa that are soo old that they are falling apart can still be controlled by buttons or hand made switch.....
Coming from a Sienna, I’m glad we chose the EV9 over the Model X & Y. Didn’t realize how minivan ish it was until I sat in the back seats. And yes those rear passenger doors are wide!
Love these reviews with sandy and sue!
Love the buttons dials and paddles. Only downside I found was the huge rear doors: try getting in and out in a tight parking space, never mind when the wind catches those suckers.
ya'll covered it all! so good to see ya'll yup! the financials have never been addressed in all of our markets! I guess this shows what folk think about inflation! but in all seriousness..
love to hear ya'lls experience and expertise!
Lower trims are 7 passenger
Love the blue colour.
The problem is a lot of people hate it when the buttons are in the touch screen because they are much harder to use when driving.
There aren't that many buttons, how was that overwhelming. I'm glad to see it's got buttons and stalks. Having these components provides a better user experience and probably a lot safer than messing about screens and menus. I bet a lot of people would prefer to keep some analogue features. I haven't transitioned to an EV yet, however, when I do it won't be one where everything is controlled by a screen and without stalks.
Does sport mode change the steering feel?
Sandy: "This _couldn't be_ in a worse spot"
Gollum: Oh, YES it could!
It's my third EV, swapped X for it. Agree with some comments, especially around the power on button.
The basics of turn signal and wiper stalks is preferred, even though Tesla settled on a cheaper design. Basically, the fewer buttons the cheaper the build. There is a process of educating and training customers to use non-traditional interfaces, I’d prefer a tiered setting that simplifies all systems at a basic level for inexperienced customers, then medium and full option settings.
I’m surprised that “an abundant amount of buttons is overwhelming”. To me it seems the most useful control buttons are nicely placed within reach of the driver to avoid distractions while driving. I am a Model Y driver and don’t mind the minimalist style but will for sure take buttons over no buttons like in my case. I agree with some of the observations of this video but disagree with others. It sucks that this video feels like a let’s “low key bash Kia” review. Especially when there’s basically no other competition for this car at this price point.
Buttons? ARE distracting.
Anyone who says they don't subconsciously glance away to either look for the button or check the setting is mistaken, or lying.
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What you want is one button, under your thumb then voice control to activate ANY control you should be using while moving.
The obscure, less used controls? You shouldn't be using those anyway (but as you know(?) you can still use those via voice command..... Safely).
"Low key bash"?
What are you on?
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More like valid suggestions for making the vehicle better, or cheaper (more profitable?) Or BOTH.....
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Any design team worth their salt would be taking note and making changes for the next iteration.
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You missed the parting comments?
Watch again?
@@rogerstarkey5390 Sandy: "This looks like a Kia to me" Sue: "Really? [...] I was surprised [...] I like it."
you dont need to Control anything in a TESLA , its all Automatic & uses your PROFILE.
Sandy has a one track mind on buttons. When he sees a button he only sees the cost the manufacturer. Although somehow he keeps giving Mercedes and BMW glowing reviews for hideous vehicles filled with bad designs and filled with horrendously tacky (glowing fake crystal) buttons. So he definitely has some brand bias problems and blind spots. Personally, I see a handful of useful physical controls elegantly placed. 🤷♂️ Its quite the opposite of the buttons everwhere problem some cars have.... GM ice vehicles are ridiculous.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Speaking from experience here… Why does it bother you if the buttons are there anyway? to your point, if you don’t like them use the voice commands. It’s all about preference, doesn’t hurt to just have them there. It’s 100% more distracting having to dig through screen menus vs just pressing a single physical button. Not sure how you find that more distracting.
I think you didn’t read my comment correctly either, I did say they mentioned some pretty good points.
Also based on the rest of the comments here, you are in the minority my friend. Have a great day.
🤗THANKS SANDY AND SUE ,AND MUNRO FOR THIS REVIEW ALWAYS FUN AND INTERESTING 🤗🧐💚💚💚
Btw there were grab handles above the rear doors …
Seriously? You'd think someone would have corrected this video with this info with at least a comment from his team. The entire video feels like a talk down of the vehicle. I think they really should have double checked the accuracy on what was being said. The button though I do think should be in a different place. A little lower like Sandy said would be perfect. I get why it was placed where it currently is though: it's much easier to see.
Unless there is level 5 self driving feature, driver control should be accessible. Tesla’s minimalism is good but multi level menu is not good when driving unless one drives only Teslas. Even then, software update changes menu schemes and defrost is not easily accessible in snowy night could be a disaster. Same problem Apple has with Apple UI, once you are in it, one cannot get out of Apple control.
I usually like Sandy’s reviews but this review was too much lip service to Tesla. Where is EV9 performance and battery life reviews? I am very disappointed Sandy. I guess I will have to watch more European EV reviews.
I love the color and cool
Headlights. You can tell what vehicle at light
3:22 That reasoning would make pretty much every full size SUV (Chevy Tahoe, Jeep Wagoneer, GMC Yukon, Cadillac Escalade, Licoln Navigator, Toyota Sequoia, Kia Telluride...) a 'van'.
Kind of disappointed with this review and complaining about all of the buttons on the steering wheel. As with any new car, it can sometimes take time to learn the controls. I just test drove a 2024 Model 3. The guy had to walk me through how to shift gears and use the other functions that used to be on two stalks. Are you telling me you can sit in a new M3 or S or X and just drive away? The less buttons, the more complicated. I think Tesla took a huge misstep by removing the stalks. My first time through a rotary I struggled to find the directional button, now at 6 o clock during the turn, to indicate I was exiting. Bad design. I think a mix of buttons and screen and voice controls is best. Not sure any manufacturer has nailed that combo yet.
We had our model 3 delivered. We're rural, nobody to orient us. We thought it would be difficult but it was super easy. To each their own. If stuck, verbal commands.
Sandy slyly gets his Cybertruck into the closing shot!
I kind of disagree here. I personally love kia and Hyundai approach for not giving up a buttons. The last thing i want while driving is taking my eyes off the road and dig through the menu trying to hit that tiny area on the screen which always seems off to one side or the other (it sits behind the glass afterall). I sure could get used to one big screen but buttons will always be my choice and I'm a technology guy.
What about Xiaomi solution. They made detachable button panel under screen for those who dont want it. But yeah kinda agree with u here. Most stupid idea is to remove indicator stalks, thats huge deal breaker IMO
Since the United States only provides subsidies for American electric vehicles, it is inevitable that the prices are a bit high...
Hi Sandy and Sue, have to say I am not usually fond of blue but have to say my wife and I loved the colour when we saw the EV9 in Florida. Overall I liked the vehicle, unfortunately I got the run around at the dealership when we had a deposit down on the EV6, so we walked away from KIA and most likely will never go back. We live in Canada and are last to the table when it comes to cars, most US dealers had about 10 cars on the lot while we in Canada were on a year or longer waiting list. Have a great day and look forward to your next video. Andrew
Yeah, it's easier to redesign a button or two, but fixing those Anal Orifice Dealers are a huge problem for all.
Some have brought in a BYD to look at. I'd like to see a teardown of a BYD to see where they are at.
Don't forget the fact that the 1-pedal drive does not maintain the user preference and there is no walk-away lock
“Simplicity is the mark of a genius.”
-Plato
Kia, keep the buttons. I like the buttons. It's a much better driving experience than leaving it on a screen or haptics. Buttons aren't going to be the difference between being affordable or not.
Buttons are difference between life or death if you can’t find some buttons on menu in time during snowy night drive.
VW put back all the buttons because customers hate the touch crap.
Because their software sucked. The buttons that they did have also sucked, capacitive buttons with no backlighting.
I would disagree on the buttons.. Features like Heated seats, HVAC controls should have mechanical controls. Touch screens with multiple pokes, can be distracting..
3:54 Sandy discovers the Volkwagen innovation from 2013 in a 2024 Kia EV9.
Was buying a car for my father when i realized that i had to skip all the first choices because he could not learn or even read those stupid touchscreens. And he's got good eyesight and all. I Also dislikes touchscreens even though i can handle them.
Some things like you adjust very rarely goes into touchscreen but physical buttons should be standard on everyday use.
Ancient Gaelic. Also known as Scots, The Highlander have a blessed day.😊
Sandy, you're quite wrong about physical buttons. Most people prefer them.
Agree.
I would agree.
I would agree.
Also, physical keyboards. Touchscreen phones will never catch on.
Nobody cares enough to not buy a car because of it, the free market is showing it's opinion, sorry not sorry
I also ❤ my HUD.
The Great Button Debate. It has Too many Buttons. It doesn't have enough Buttons. What is Goldilox to do? I think we can all agree that Tesla doesn't have enough Buttons. Where is that Sweet spot?
Sweet spot is stalk for turn signal/high beam and stalk for wipers. Then maybe 10 buttons for climate and cruise control.
One you drive a Tesla, you understand why all those meaningless cyrpic button dust collectors on other cars are not needed. Tesla does have a few buttons, but they did a great job at giving you the buttons your really need and putting the rest in the display, and often automating many buttons so you rarely need to even thing about them.
@@tesla_tap lol copium
@@catmanscarchannelagree, until there is true self driving feature, driver control should be accessible. Teslas minimalism is good but multi level menu is not good when driving unless one drives only Tesla. Same problem Apple has with Apple UI, once you are in it, one cannot get out of Apple control.
It does need to be a compromise. Most people will say have physical controls for lights/turn signals, audio and climate control, cruise control - the stuff you frequently need to adjust while driving. And all the rest can be under menus in the info screen. And I don't think most people will lose their s---- over a start button.
Control by touchscreen is the worst control for basic functions because:
- it distracts
- You have to look away from the street
- You have no tactile feedback, You
- have to look away from the street, to check if Your action made the car react.
Lower the seat OLED screen ?
Nice review. My interest changed after hearing the price. Not even close to the budget. I want something much more simple and fun to drive. This does not look to be it. Strikes me as a gimmick on wheels.
well there is the Chrisler Pacifica Hybrid .
but it still uses GAS .
and its built rerally CRAPPY.
Kind of inspired by this video, is there any interest to do a deep-dive to plugin hybrid vehicles too? Especially on the electric propulsion side. I'd be immensely interested in seeing like Volvo PHEV's, BMW PHEV's etc. Toyota definitely.
Also has vehicle to load with an adapter
I will never get a Sue. You Both are the best.
Sheesh Sandy, you're literally the only TH-cam reviewer who is for less physical controls. Sorry, but give me physical controls any day of the week. I've had an EV6 for two years now, and my only complaint is that it doesn't have separate dedicated controls for the A/C and infotainment systems (uses the shared little screen below the main screen - which is an obvious cost savings feature)). Having to use sub menus to find things in a touch display is ridiculous. Sorry, quit thinking like a design engineer and start thinking like a user.
You are right that a poorly design UI is worse than having buttons. You should check out a Tesla next time - they understand how to do a UI without endless menus. The controls are so well though out, and provided when you need them, and gone when you don't. It's one reason why Tesla has the highest percentage of owners who say there next car will also be a Tesla. Don't lump Tesla in with other poor UI designs like the EV6 (and many others). Legacy auto UIs are often designed to the pre-iPhone era (i.e. awful).
@@tesla_tap The only Tesla I'd be interested in is the Model S. At the time, it was way too expensive, as was the Model Y. I don't like the single display in either the Model 3 or Y (and I don't care for the exterior designs that much either). Having to look over at the edge of the screen to see the speedometer is a no go. However, if Tesla decided to incorporate a HUD (like the Kia/Hyundai products have), it could make for an interesting choice. Sorry, but Tesla just isn't for me...
PS: Part of the reason that Tesla's were too expensive back then was because they didn't qualify for the Federal Tax Credit, while the Kia did. Ironically that's changed now where the Tesla does and the Kia doesn't. After Tesla dropped the Model Y price a couple of times, it became quite affordable.
@tesla_tap, I strongly desagree here. Tesla is the worst offender. They started that minimalist trend. Like Apple did with audio jack. Having to use a touch screen to open the glove box, to use the air vent. Now touch button to use turn signal! No front facing screen! Central console was tried in the past and all disappeared, because it was a bad idea. This is none sense. People need to stop reviewing car like it was a phone. They are not. Tesla would be as good as a car with more traditional interior controls. Didn't learn anything in this video about that car. And what have learned is irrelevent... If you review a car, do it at... Not just superficial stuff like "they put a star button". Sad.
Totally agree. I was about to change my old P90D for a TMS Plaid, but the removal of those simple steering stalks was a no go for me. When I tried it, I ended up not blinking in the roundabouts as I didn’t know which button to press without looking. I was totally driving like a BMW owner (not blinking at all). Maybe I would have adapted, but I couldn’t live with that and I’m still driving my old P90D. Should be an option imo.
@@lacerta2207 - Have you ever test driven a Tesla? I'm always surprised at the people who have some of your objections, then get in the car, and they all melt away. Lots of preconcieved ideas based on what always was. My cousin (at 93) just bought a Model Y and is very happy with it. He also had many of your concerns - all gone now.
Estimated full charge range?
Speaking of the obsolete power button: Volkswagen calls it Engine on button: Press it and thE FIRE MAN COMES WITH A SHOVEL OF COAL?
This EV is huge, but it can take off like a rocket. I like SUVs, but they are sluggish, but this EV takes off on a hill like an ICEV sportscar. I like the feeling of being big, strong, and fast. However, because of its size, it is difficult to maneuver through narrow streets. BTW, I am not getting any younger so I appreciate driving with ease and less headache. Cyber truck? try to replace the body (if it gets into an accident or catch fire) in this bad economy. That is gonna be a headache. To clean Cyber truck, it is going to waste money cleaning it. I think Cyber truck is too ahead of its time. There is a reason why stock price is going down.
Its a good review of the Kia EV9, but I honestly don't agree with the button issue Sandy has. It's just plain he doesn't like non-touch screen buttons as engineer, he's not looking at what maybe more of a convenience of a owner/consumer. Sandy wants streamline everything, which as potential customer would be negative at least for me. I nearly wanted to laugh when he said he would think touchless controls and having wireless key is better, a phone can be hacked. Kia recently had a done of issues of hackers hot-wiring various vehicles that had shared electrical interface via a USB port. My only concern is that with the button thing is they're too blended in to the console and don't stand out for a user to find more immediately. Not everyone wants a Tesla style console.
It seems like lots of Auto Manufacturers don't pay very good attention to the USER INTERFACE. To me this is critically important to the user experience and will be remembered mostly for what was bad about it. The user interface is particularly important for a vehicle that is used for rental although that does not seem to be the likely use case for Kia EV9's. I am sure the somebody at KIA had to sign-off on many aspects of this vehicle, whoever signed-off on this user interface needs to be held accountable, IMO.
It would be awesome if someone made an EV version of the Honda CRX. Not everyone needs a giant vehicle.
Like the super-intuitive twist forward for forward, twist rearward for reverse gear control, but the start button is in an idiotic place.
My local Kia dealer has these things $10,000 off MSRP.
Good to get both genders' opinions - physical buttons/levers (particularly window control and bonnet opening) are often painful or inoperable for women with long expensive nails/acrylics, for example.
their is a reason for a start stop,, other youtubers have complain that the tesla shuts off after a while. when their filming and such.
Why would you reduce price by minimizing something that is at max 2% of vehicle cost? the battery is like 30% of the cost…savings should be sought there instead 😅😂. $1000 savings is never gonna make someone who likes ice switch to EV 😂…. Sandy proves there’s no age limit to being a tech bro 😂😂.
Especially when Kia costs less than model X, disappointed with Sandy and his bias. Sandy never complains about buttons on Mercedes EV. Sandy, why is Mercedes can’t compete with Kia in Europe but Kia has problems when Mercedes doesn’t.
Last seat row doubles as a gym.
Airplane cockpits should just be flat screens with menus to navigate since all functions are software driven. Actually, cockpits and pilots should be eliminated to lower costs, simplify manufacturing, and make more space for passenger seating to increase revenue.
If you don't want to deal with controls and buttons, hire someone to pick you up and take you to the places you want to go. Or just take transit. Screens and "intelligent" distractions make "drivers" complacent to the point they are multitasking or playing video games and not "driving" anymore. THEY are why EVs cause accidents.
I keep liking this more and more... BUTTONS!!! I Like buttons and knobs ...Classic stuff and WHEN is VDO gonna have some classic electric gauges ... ps if I could find the money I want to electrify my 67' El camino and make it right hand drive, with (suicidedoors#for disability access ).. I already have a name picked out and here's the kicker I want to add a gearbox to a motor I would like to make JUST one run at the Texas mile goal 200+ mph .. then I can take it back to a daily without a gearbox..
start buttom make sense,being in camping mode, one will use all features but no motordrive.
I like the buttons. I really like that color. I hate that stalk. Learn how to adjust the heads up display rather than raise the seat.