To be honest the biggest danger of being drunk on an e-bike is to one's self. Therefore there should be limited regulation. The government should generally stay out of anything that can't get above 30mph.
Plus You would need balance to operate such things. Drunk people can’t even walk straight. They probably won’t make it out 100 meters before they fall.
@everyday tenor I think he was drunk when he hammered out that statement. No laws regarding typing while drunk. As you can see when reading back the post a sobriety test is not needed. :)
A scooter with pedals is not the same as a bicycle with a small electric motor. A scooter with pedals is just a way of bypassing the normal licensing and insurance requirements in Canada. In the EU/Britain they are very strict, Pedals are not enough, it must be pedal assist, no throttle(except if you retrofit) and max speed while assisted is restricted to 25 KPH or 15.5 MPH(which i think is too low) and 250 watt max power which i again think is too low BUT at 69 i can keep up with most of the lycra boys and I can climb hills that even when i was young i would have to get off and push, so maybe they have got it right. If you want to go 30 mph plus and not pedal then its not an Ebike its a scooter/moped and so is a motor vehicle and is taxed etc accordingly. I am all for Ebikes, I have three, and i think max assisted should be 20 MPH and max power should be 500 watts but its not going to happen so i have to make do. BUT i can see Canada following us in the near future and tightening up the laws so as to remove what is seen as a loophole in regard to scooters.
Everything else is impossible to afford here not to mention that it’s not people “bypassing laws to drive it without insuring it” it’s using a “loophole” it is not wanting to spend an exorbitant amount on insurance, have to wait 3 years to get license or to even buy a car anybody with a option would very likely rather an actual electric bicycle but they are not affordable. Not to mention you’re acting like Canada and Britain is the same it takes you guys 3 hours to cross your country some people here can’t even get to the nearest city in twice that and a large number of people live an hour away from town even a 15 minute drive into town (extremely normal) would take like an hour and a half at 20kph. 30-50kph is reasonable and almost needed here there it is simply a safety hazard Not to mention we have wide open roads and a lot of fields and open space you guys have narrow roads that are very interconnected and tend to be much much more densely packed You guys have .0014 square miles per person we have .096 per person that’s like 15 times the amount of space per person where not gonna follow you’re laws because they make no sense there not to mention if they did the ones bought before the law change can likely still ride them
I wanted to get a Eahore M1p but not totally sure if these are allowed bc they don't come with pedals, but they do come with a DOT and vin number for it please help
Check your local laws. As in the government website and NOT TH-cam. Every state etc is different. For the most part the definition of an ebike (electric bicycle) includes pedals. So where I live in Ontario for ex, no pedals?means it's not an ebike and you'd need a licence and insurance.
Hi! Ontario Government says "a permanent label from the manufacturer in both English and French stating that your e-bike conforms to the federal definition of a power-assisted bicycle".... mine was bought from the US and sure thing they don't have any labels like this, I certainly can provide the spec sheet of my bike but it will be extremely challenging to get a label from the manufacturer. Any advice? Thanks!
Hmmm I think a MOTORCYCLE! That's clearly what u want, so go for it! People like u who try to work around the rules are part of the problem. If you can't answer your own question, then you clearly know little about batteries and shouldn't even consider tinkering around in the 1st place!
@@cameranmanner4701 I mean, 40kph is the limit on residential roads, it'd be safer at 40kph than 32kph IMO. More than that it's not ideal though, especially since these things don't require insurance or registration.
The pedals are annoying. They hit your legs and drag during low turns. They are removable. The ebike has compartments. I removed mine and placed them in the compartment. Now how does that fundamentally change my ebike. It still has pedals, albeit not visible. If they become necessary I can attach them and away I go. Not that I ever would though. The pedals are attached to a short chain and provide very little momentum when used. It's much easier to just push the bike. The only reason the manufacturer adds the pedals is to mollify the powers that be. If a cop can't tell the difference between an ebike and a motorcycle unless he sees pedals, after 10 years of ebikes being around, I have to wonder about that policeman's judgement. Our laws in Canada are based on commonlaw, which is supposed to be derived from common sense. Common sense would dictate that the removable pedals are just as usable after being removed from a storage compartment and reattached, and that this would in no way change the characteristics of said ebike. The government of Canada has detemined the speed of freedom in Canada is 20 MPH/32 KPH. I get the feeling that bugs them.
It's ridiculous. If you take the pedals off a bicycle, does it stop being a bicycle? If you put training wheels on a bicycle, does it stop being a bicycle? What's even worse is that on NCC trails, e-bikes are permitted, so long as they "look like a traditional bike". If your e-bike doesn't look like a "traditional bicycle", you're not permitted to ride on the multi-use pathways. It's not based on any kind of specifications, and even though your e-bike is complies with all regulations defining your e-bike as a bicycle, if it looks different, it's not permitted on the pathways. Discrimination based on appearance only.
Yes but like they said in the video as well as I've read on ICBC's website that you cannot remove the pedals or else you need a license and insurance. If you removed yours and haven't gotten into trouble yet then you're lucky.. assuming you're also in Canada
Tighten up the rules but dont change things so that you need a license to operate. If that happens, that would make ebikes obsolete and pretty pointless. I see nothing wrong with people trying to be more eco-friendly and save some money! The problem is that ppl will try and take advantage if they can. Those ppl should be punished. On a large scale, the biggest ebike concern is actually THEFT.
its a bicycle....it doesnt require a a license because you cant go on highways....they run about 32 km an hour. I find the pedals are a hazard..... because if you need to turn quickly at a steep leaning angle...the pedals can scrape on the pavement and cause you to crash... i know because it happened to me multiple times. the pedals arent even really functional on ebike scooters....they are set too far back to even be used and the short crank arms barely propel you forward...in fact its damn near impossible to pedal them. So its hypocrisy to have to leave them on. they are useless....insurance and police just cant let people get a away with basic mobility. Cars are out of my budget purely because of insurance and licensing and all extras costs besides the car payment itself!!! Just let poverty line people have a bit of dignity!....i used ti have all the toys and brand new cars for both my wife and i every 3-4 years....but a bad accident at my own business and then a messy and expensive divorce took everything i had worked for in 30 years.......anyway just to say its possible to be forced to use basic mobility vehicles like ebikes and scooter ebikes. They are a small but much needed necessity for many people.... who otherwise would struggle even more without them!.... please leave them rated as a bicycle...because of its low top speeds! they are really not like a brand new 80k truck or sports car....people all puffed up with pride driving them around to be seen by their peers!!! its a symbol of success ( well for most really high debts for up to 8 yrs +) which is downright idiotic to assume such a depreciating debt ... looking cool or successful isnt important to me....i was there for 30 yrs...but never bought anything to show the neighbors!...that is so shallow....anyway...leave the great little ebikes as they are... the people who need them are not on no ego trip...trust me!!! lol!!!
the laws are really bad in america and canada i think if the e-bike goes over 35 mph i think it should be called a moped .and a 150cc and 125cc you should just need a drivers licences and insurance because its twist and go and you dont have too change gears like a real motor cycle it drives more like a car .but the requirments for the motor cycle should remain the same .because you have too change gears.this makes more since then the laws we have today too many rules just too get around your town for these bikes.and it will make life easyer for the person ho owns these bikes and it will make the police officers job a lot easyer too not haveing too deal with such oppresive laws for these bikes
There is already a class of moped in Ontario and is from 32 km/hr to 50km/hr and requires license, plates, and insurance. The people using electric ebike style scooters use them just to get away from these problems. Make no mistake Wynne will tax anything she can because she cannot make a proper budget.
Aside from these drinking and driving laws, All these older generations that are too lazy to shoulder check on turns and actually stay observant of their surroundings are now angry that there is a mode of transportation that is practically free in comparison to driving a car and does not require you to use effort like pedaling if you don't want to. Don't get me wrong tho I hate spinning my head all the time to shoulder check too but it's not worth someones life to stop doing it. The only advantage of driving a car is if you go long distances regularly like 80km+ distances leaving your city for long trips or absolutely need it through the weather-intensive months. Within the city, you don't get much of a chance to go fast before you have to slow down and stop anyways so a bike that goes 32 tops is not much of a problem. I quickly stopped driving my car and bought an ebike as soon as I learned I didn't need a license. Save myself like $350 a month to have and run a car but I can walk to work in 10 minutes so my need to commute is a little different. In cities like Ontario and here in Vancouver, population is rising, so are housing prices so every penny is starting to count. I'm making about 45k a year and can still barely afford to live here. I financed a Daymak Em2 ebike and it's beautiful and a little large for something that goes in a bike lane but hey it's legal. I wanted to get into the ebike boat before it catches on here and prices go up. India is a hugely populated place and as hectic as the roads are, they all manage to get where they need to go because tons of space is being saved by smaller vehicle sizes. This will spread to north and south america more as numbers rise.
All these younger generations, who think everything should be free and rainbows and unicorns, don't understand social responsibility, if you're driving WHAT IS A SCOOTER, and doing 1/3rd the speed limit, you're breaking the road law. Be responsible, pay your way. Shoulder check what? someone pushing thier "e-bike" up a hill in the middle of the lane? get on the sidewalk, and get a job.
Skippy0330 ..man, shut up when your talking about ebike ,s ...and you had better grow up and GET USED TO IT because the world is changing fast amd has vehicles are not wanted ......we all pay taxes so SHARE THE ROAD LIKE A RESPONSIBLE ADULT
@@Skippy0330 hahah free? not sure if you've checked the prices on ebikes but you've got to be pretty responsible to have the extra money to buy one over just a bicycle which does the same thing for a lot cheaper and they both follow the same rules here, limited to 32kmph. My daymak em2 was $3,300.. my em4 was $4,600 lol I work full time, live in my own condo with my partner making roughly 3,500 a month myself and then her salary on top of that. My job, age, social responsibility has nothing to do with having or needing a license. If my daily life required a motor vehicle, i'd consider one but it doesn't. Not sure where this random "someone pushing thier "e-bike" up a hill in the middle of the lane" situation came from lol anyways, roads have lanes for a reason. If you don't like someones speed, you pass them. SAFELY!. Also road laws are different in all places, you can't ignorantly expect we all follow the same rules. Bicycles aren't allow on the sidewalk in B.C. You go in the right lane unless getting ready to make a left turn and impatient drivers can either pass in the left lane, or if it's single lane, pass in a broken line section. You can piss and moan all you want about what YOU think the rules should be but it doesn't matter. If you don't like it, become a politician and change things? :') No one has to waste money on a gasoline burning vehicle for you boomer
@@Skippy0330 ....I make 80 000 a year and I ride a $9000 ebike scooter so ,go to hell , if you cut me off , my bike will puncture a hole in your door , it already has don that to one uber driver who was on phone during illegal turn across two lanes during a rain storm .....no damage to my bike and I was sucked under his car .... yes I was very bloody on knees and elbows ,but aside from a couple small scratches ro my bike it was fine .The car was not fine at all! HAAAAA!
@@xeric1953 damn bro you can get a cbr250 for like 1000 bucks. electric bicycles and scooters i get, but the ebikes that try to look like a cbr or ninja complete with a faux gas tank are a mystery to me.
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To be honest the biggest danger of being drunk on an e-bike is to one's self. Therefore there should be limited regulation. The government should generally stay out of anything that can't get above 30mph.
Plus You would need balance to operate such things. Drunk people can’t even walk straight. They probably won’t make it out 100 meters before they fall.
@everyday tenor I think he was drunk when he hammered out that statement. No laws regarding typing while drunk. As you can see when reading back the post a sobriety test is not needed. :)
Here in the state of Kansas you do not need a license to operate these. All you need is an state issued ID
A scooter with pedals is not the same as a bicycle with a small electric motor. A scooter with pedals is just a way of bypassing the normal licensing and insurance requirements in Canada. In the EU/Britain they are very strict, Pedals are not enough, it must be pedal assist, no throttle(except if you retrofit) and max speed while assisted is restricted to 25 KPH or 15.5 MPH(which i think is too low) and 250 watt max power which i again think is too low BUT at 69 i can keep up with most of the lycra boys and I can climb hills that even when i was young i would have to get off and push, so maybe they have got it right. If you want to go 30 mph plus and not pedal then its not an Ebike its a scooter/moped and so is a motor vehicle and is taxed etc accordingly.
I am all for Ebikes, I have three, and i think max assisted should be 20 MPH and max power should be 500 watts but its not going to happen so i have to make do. BUT i can see Canada following us in the near future and tightening up the laws so as to remove what is seen as a loophole in regard to scooters.
Good I don’t wanna have to pay overpriced insurance rates and regeneration let alone get a license
Everything else is impossible to afford here not to mention that it’s not people “bypassing laws to drive it without insuring it” it’s using a “loophole” it is not wanting to spend an exorbitant amount on insurance, have to wait 3 years to get license or to even buy a car anybody with a option would very likely rather an actual electric bicycle but they are not affordable.
Not to mention you’re acting like Canada and Britain is the same it takes you guys 3 hours to cross your country some people here can’t even get to the nearest city in twice that and a large number of people live an hour away from town even a 15 minute drive into town (extremely normal) would take like an hour and a half at 20kph. 30-50kph is reasonable and almost needed here there it is simply a safety hazard
Not to mention we have wide open roads and a lot of fields and open space you guys have narrow roads that are very interconnected and tend to be much much more densely packed
You guys have .0014 square miles per person we have .096 per person that’s like 15 times the amount of space per person where not gonna follow you’re laws because they make no sense there not to mention if they did the ones bought before the law change can likely still ride them
Escooter doesn't have a pedal, and yet it not really a full motor vehicle because you can always use it as a kick scooter.
Well that's crap. Leave the e bikers alone.
Better to buy an E-Bicycle or buy a Hub Motor Kit and retro-fit an existing bicycle.
I think handy caped people like me shoul dbe aloud to remove the pedals. I put mine back on but its not like I can use them :)
I wanted to get a Eahore M1p but not totally sure if these are allowed bc they don't come with pedals, but they do come with a DOT and vin number for it please help
Check your local laws. As in the government website and NOT TH-cam. Every state etc is different. For the most part the definition of an ebike (electric bicycle) includes pedals. So where I live in Ontario for ex, no pedals?means it's not an ebike and you'd need a licence and insurance.
Ebikes can go 160kph so where will this argument go?
Hi! Ontario Government says "a permanent label from the manufacturer in both English and French stating that your e-bike conforms to the federal definition of a power-assisted bicycle".... mine was bought from the US and sure thing they don't have any labels like this, I certainly can provide the spec sheet of my bike but it will be extremely challenging to get a label from the manufacturer. Any advice? Thanks!
I have a Canadian sticker on mine. I'm from the US so I don't really need it...
what electric bikes has motorcycles batteries so I can connect two batteries up at the same time increasing the distance ?
Hmmm I think a MOTORCYCLE! That's clearly what u want, so go for it! People like u who try to work around the rules are part of the problem. If you can't answer your own question, then you clearly know little about batteries and shouldn't even consider tinkering around in the 1st place!
Why 32 km/h and not 40 km/h?
They only go 20 miles an hour
@@warning4664 i took the limiter off mine, it does 23 now lol
only 40kmh? why not 50, or 60?
@@cameranmanner4701 I mean, 40kph is the limit on residential roads, it'd be safer at 40kph than 32kph IMO.
More than that it's not ideal though, especially since these things don't require insurance or registration.
The pedals are annoying. They hit your legs and drag during low turns. They are removable. The ebike has compartments. I removed mine and placed them in the compartment. Now how does that fundamentally change my ebike. It still has pedals, albeit not visible. If they become necessary I can attach them and away I go. Not that I ever would though. The pedals are attached to a short chain and provide very little momentum when used. It's much easier to just push the bike. The only reason the manufacturer adds the pedals is to mollify the powers that be. If a cop can't tell the difference between an ebike and a motorcycle unless he sees pedals, after 10 years of ebikes being around, I have to wonder about that policeman's judgement. Our laws in Canada are based on commonlaw, which is supposed to be derived from common sense. Common sense would dictate that the removable pedals are just as usable after being removed from a storage compartment and reattached, and that this would in no way change the characteristics of said ebike. The government of Canada has detemined the speed of freedom in Canada is 20 MPH/32 KPH. I get the feeling that bugs them.
It's ridiculous. If you take the pedals off a bicycle, does it stop being a bicycle? If you put training wheels on a bicycle, does it stop being a bicycle?
What's even worse is that on NCC trails, e-bikes are permitted, so long as they "look like a traditional bike". If your e-bike doesn't look like a "traditional bicycle", you're not permitted to ride on the multi-use pathways. It's not based on any kind of specifications, and even though your e-bike is complies with all regulations defining your e-bike as a bicycle, if it looks different, it's not permitted on the pathways. Discrimination based on appearance only.
Yes but like they said in the video as well as I've read on ICBC's website that you cannot remove the pedals or else you need a license and insurance. If you removed yours and haven't gotten into trouble yet then you're lucky.. assuming you're also in Canada
Tighten up the rules but dont change things so that you need a license to operate. If that happens, that would make ebikes obsolete and pretty pointless. I see nothing wrong with people trying to be more eco-friendly and save some money! The problem is that ppl will try and take advantage if they can. Those ppl should be punished. On a large scale, the biggest ebike concern is actually THEFT.
What? My E-Bike has pedals...who knew! Said 99% of of E-Bike owners.
its a bicycle....it doesnt require a a license because you cant go on highways....they run about 32 km an hour. I find the pedals are a hazard..... because if you need to turn quickly at a steep leaning angle...the pedals can scrape on the pavement and cause you to crash... i know because it happened to me multiple times. the pedals arent even really functional on ebike scooters....they are set too far back to even be used and the short crank arms barely propel you forward...in fact its damn near impossible to pedal them. So its hypocrisy to have to leave them on. they are useless....insurance and police just cant let people get a away with basic mobility. Cars are out of my budget purely because of insurance and licensing and all extras costs besides the car payment itself!!! Just let poverty line people have a bit of dignity!....i used ti have all the toys and brand new cars for both my wife and i every 3-4 years....but a bad accident at my own business and then a messy and expensive divorce took everything i had worked for in 30 years.......anyway just to say its possible to be forced to use basic mobility vehicles like ebikes and scooter ebikes. They are a small but much needed necessity for many people.... who otherwise would struggle even more without them!.... please leave them rated as a bicycle...because of its low top speeds! they are really not like a brand new 80k truck or sports car....people all puffed up with pride driving them around to be seen by their peers!!! its a symbol of success ( well for most really high debts for up to 8 yrs +) which is downright idiotic to assume such a depreciating debt ... looking cool or successful isnt important to me....i was there for 30 yrs...but never bought anything to show the neighbors!...that is so shallow....anyway...leave the great little ebikes as they are... the people who need them are not on no ego trip...trust me!!! lol!!!
the laws are really bad in america and canada i think if the e-bike goes over 35 mph i think it should be called a moped .and a 150cc and 125cc you should just need a drivers licences and insurance because its twist and go and you dont have too change gears like a real motor cycle it drives more like a car .but the requirments for the motor cycle should remain the same .because you have too change gears.this makes more since then the laws we have today too many rules just too get around your town for these bikes.and it will make life easyer for the person ho owns these bikes and it will make the police officers job a lot easyer too not haveing too deal with such oppresive laws for these bikes
Those are assault bikes. The ATF should ban them
Motorcycle car licence
I would like to get one
Its a deadly weapon!
it should be separated into 2 classes. mopeds and pedalecs.
There is already a class of moped in Ontario and is from 32 km/hr to 50km/hr and requires license, plates, and insurance. The people using electric ebike style scooters use them just to get away from these problems. Make no mistake Wynne will tax anything she can because she cannot make a proper budget.
Ill take my lawn mower powered bicycle with no pedals and a sketchy belt drive over these any day
Aside from these drinking and driving laws, All these older generations that are too lazy to shoulder check on turns and actually stay observant of their surroundings are now angry that there is a mode of transportation that is practically free in comparison to driving a car and does not require you to use effort like pedaling if you don't want to. Don't get me wrong tho I hate spinning my head all the time to shoulder check too but it's not worth someones life to stop doing it. The only advantage of driving a car is if you go long distances regularly like 80km+ distances leaving your city for long trips or absolutely need it through the weather-intensive months. Within the city, you don't get much of a chance to go fast before you have to slow down and stop anyways so a bike that goes 32 tops is not much of a problem. I quickly stopped driving my car and bought an ebike as soon as I learned I didn't need a license. Save myself like $350 a month to have and run a car but I can walk to work in 10 minutes so my need to commute is a little different. In cities like Ontario and here in Vancouver, population is rising, so are housing prices so every penny is starting to count. I'm making about 45k a year and can still barely afford to live here. I financed a Daymak Em2 ebike and it's beautiful and a little large for something that goes in a bike lane but hey it's legal. I wanted to get into the ebike boat before it catches on here and prices go up. India is a hugely populated place and as hectic as the roads are, they all manage to get where they need to go because tons of space is being saved by smaller vehicle sizes. This will spread to north and south america more as numbers rise.
All these younger generations, who think everything should be free and rainbows and unicorns, don't understand social responsibility, if you're driving WHAT IS A SCOOTER, and doing 1/3rd the speed limit, you're breaking the road law. Be responsible, pay your way. Shoulder check what? someone pushing thier "e-bike" up a hill in the middle of the lane? get on the sidewalk, and get a job.
Skippy0330 ..man, shut up when your talking about ebike ,s ...and you had better grow up and GET USED TO IT because the world is changing fast amd has vehicles are not wanted ......we all pay taxes so SHARE THE ROAD LIKE A RESPONSIBLE ADULT
@@Skippy0330 hahah free? not sure if you've checked the prices on ebikes but you've got to be pretty responsible to have the extra money to buy one over just a bicycle which does the same thing for a lot cheaper and they both follow the same rules here, limited to 32kmph. My daymak em2 was $3,300.. my em4 was $4,600 lol I work full time, live in my own condo with my partner making roughly 3,500 a month myself and then her salary on top of that. My job, age, social responsibility has nothing to do with having or needing a license. If my daily life required a motor vehicle, i'd consider one but it doesn't.
Not sure where this random "someone pushing thier "e-bike" up a hill in the middle of the lane" situation came from lol
anyways, roads have lanes for a reason. If you don't like someones speed, you pass them. SAFELY!.
Also road laws are different in all places, you can't ignorantly expect we all follow the same rules. Bicycles aren't allow on the sidewalk in B.C. You go in the right lane unless getting ready to make a left turn and impatient drivers can either pass in the left lane, or if it's single lane, pass in a broken line section.
You can piss and moan all you want about what YOU think the rules should be but it doesn't matter. If you don't like it, become a politician and change things? :') No one has to waste money on a gasoline burning vehicle for you boomer
@@Skippy0330 ....I make 80 000 a year and I ride a $9000 ebike scooter so ,go to hell , if you cut me off , my bike will puncture a hole in your door , it already has don that to one uber driver who was on phone during illegal turn across two lanes during a rain storm .....no damage to my bike and I was sucked under his car .... yes I was very bloody on knees and elbows ,but aside from a couple small scratches ro my bike it was fine .The car was not fine at all! HAAAAA!
@@xeric1953 damn bro you can get a cbr250 for like 1000 bucks. electric bicycles and scooters i get, but the ebikes that try to look like a cbr or ninja complete with a faux gas tank are a mystery to me.
Lol