I mean, who in the modern era will ever beat Babe Ruth's WAR? Ruth was playing in a time with half the number of teams and he never played against Black, Latin, or Asian players that are completely specialized. We are in an era where a pitcher can throw 105mph and balls are being hit the furthest they have ever been hit. They compare Ohtani to Ruth because these are the only two players in history to be elite two-ways. And Ohtani already surpassed Ruth in Ks on the mound. Most of Ruth's WAR is after he gave up being a two-way player which he only did for a season and a half. C'mon guys.
what people also fail to mention is baseball was just a past time for the folks in that era. it was pickup ball that grabbed anyone off the streets to play. in this day and age kids are bred the moment they can hold a bat and do it all their lives and only a small percentage even make it to the mlb. people who do not take that into consideration are just idiots or just bias. real talk here.
Great perspective! Definitely see where you are coming from, but you don't think Ruth can hit 105mph? That's an insult to the players from back in the day thinking they can't hit the pitchers today. Ruth faced Hall of Famers Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, etc. Were they bums? Just because we see non-stop media coverage about today's players doesn't make them pound for pound better than previous generations ball players. Also, Ruth likely would have kept being a two way player if it weren't for the fact that he hit home runs at a historic clip so it was foolish not to make him only focus on batting. Ohtani passing Ruth in K's isn't that impressive as hitters routinely strike out over 200 times per season nowadays and it still lands you 10+ year contracts.
Just a past time pickup ball really? Sounds like they weren't really even trying. Tell that to Cy young who threw 749 complete games or Babe Ruth with hit 714 home runs. Not fair to say they were just doing it for giggles with that kind of effort.
@BreakerBrosBaseball the babe can definitely hit in this Era but we won't know how he will pitch against the modern hitters. Imagine this, if you put judge back in that Era I'm guessing he's hitting 100 bombs in a season. Any power hitters in this era would average 50 bombs back then. The main point is they had to get mechanics, military folks, people working a real job to go play. The modern day Era have kids built for the game.
Casual take. Stop disrespecting the greats of the past, you can't control your competition, you play who's in front if you. Ruth was the Bill Russell of baseball.
He is marketable and has supply and demand value. There are all kinds of economic effects, and they will continue to increase. And it is of historical value, because he is trying to do something that no one has ever done before.
Well to be fair, Babe Ruth's bat weighed 44.6 ounces, which is much heavier than any bat used today. In 2023, most MLB bats don't come close to Ruth's bat weight. The average bat today weighs around 32 ounces. 💪🏻
Understood. So if Ohtani is one of the greatest the way the media covers him why doesn't he play a position on the field whenever he can't pitch due to injury. Only being a DH when he doesn't pitch is his choice . He can get his out there and put a glove on and earn the $700 million by playing some defense too. That would help bump his war up a lot unless he sucks in the field. LOL
This is the dumbest take of all time. Ohtani isn’t even close to overrated. Dude is definitely rated and deserves to be where he is at. People are wayyy too jealous they can never admit he’s better
Maybe in today's game, but the baseball media are putting him in comparisons with the MLB GOATs. We think that's the definition of overrating him when he still many things to accomplish to get there. Will he?
Will hopefully the Dodgers play in the post season this yr Good Luck to them cause they gonna need it nothing is giving in ⚾️ & the Dodgers are well aware of that lately they been known for getting bounced pretty quickly come October but hopefully Ohtani & the 300Mill $ Yamamoto can change things for them I sure hope so because if not I'm gonna talk my 💩💩 IDGAF 🤷🏻♂️ & that 2020 WS Covid🤧 💍 doesn't count in my opinion
@@sportscardyankee2151I wont count this one if they win it either. They're doing what people CLAIMED the Yankees did in 90s(buying rings) and everybody is fine with it now because of the obsession with shohei.
Is he overrated? Maybe....whats really annoying is that hes almost a cult of personality at this point. People criticize players in other sports for signing with super teams to try and guarantee a ring, but shohei somehow is free from that criticism. Its also annoying how everyone hated the 90s yankees for supposedly buying rings(even though they drafted and developed their core) but everybody is okay with la doing it.
Nice try to catch viewers with such a thumbnail title in 2024 to a 2-time MVP player… but don’t get too far with the selected bits of statistics. He is already a real Superstar with aura of it.
when ohtani is doing both he is underrated. since he is just a hitter for at least a year then he might not be in the same league as other hitters, but we shall see. he seemed to run out of gas as a hitter when he was doing both so lets see how he does just hitting and not having to carry the whole damn team on his back. no bias, just trying to be honest.
Totally agree! No arguing the two-way superstar that Ohtani is, but we are just trying to be objective about all of the hype and reflecting on where will he rank all-time and will it match all of the hype the baseball media are putting behind him? 🤔
These guys Must be Yankees or Mets fans. Got burned. Lol all seriousness, I don’t think you can judge a DH with WAR. He may not be the greatest career (because DH) but he’s the greatest talent and if he wins multiple Championships, he will be one of the GOATS 🐐!
"IF he wins multiple championships"!! That's the big statement! What if he doesn't? How did those "IF" championships work out for him and Trout on the Angels?
@BreakerBrosBaseball 4real Mike Troout is hitting .083 with a hit a HR & 1 RBI 1 Run Scored in 3 career playoffs games 🤦 & him & Ohtani never finished above .500 with both on the roster 💥💥💥 Angels fans will be Butt hurt for Life I totally understand. On another note I was happened to be raised a Yankee since I was 5yrs old 1985 so im a bit spoiled 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@BreakerBrosBaseball He was also playing against waiters, plumbers, and cab drivers. That is why stats in that era was inflated. During that time, I doubt there was any team west of the Mississippi. Basically, hardly anybody played professional baseball, and the ones who played were not well trained. Not their fault, they just lived at a time when athleticism was not a thing. I don't know if Walter Johnson was a plumber or waiter, but he played against others who were not very skilled or into professional sports. People back then were just trying survive day to day.
i have watch SHOHEI OHTANI...past few seasons with the ANGELS.....hes everything except for when it comes to CLUTCH hitting......when the team needs it the most.........but as for PITCHING .......he is CLUTCH and awesome.....WATCH OOUT !!! is OHTANI worth $700 million ??? I think yes $300 million as a player and $400 million makes for GREAT promotion for baseball...and plus you can get your money back since everyone in JAPAN and maybe in LA DODGERS fans are buying his hats and shirts.....
Great points here! Signing such a massive contract doesn't guarantee anything. He was on the same team with Trout (two of the best MLB players) for years and we saw the results that had with the Angels. His promotion is definitely worth the money, but as far as on field play the hype has gotten out of control for primarily a DH who pitches from time to time whenever he's not injured.
Im gonna say over rated dude hasnt even played in the post season go win a playoff series & produce some #'s in that atmosphere then we'll can get back to him being a 🐐 convo. The media needs to be drug tested 😂. Like Omar said hes a Great Talent but slightly over -rated. Lets compare his future playoffs #'s 😂with my guy Bernie Williams who doesnt get no ❤ & in my opinion is HOF material PS Shohei is gonna need min 5yrs of playoff baseball to even compare the 2 #'s Bernie was a freakn animal in October
Good points! And since Ohtani can't pitch due to the injury, how about he picks up a glove and plays some defense on the field every once in a while for the $700 million!
Highly overated. Case in point: He never carried a team. He has never been in the playoffs until this year. Stats mean nothing unless your carrying the team.
He's not overrated. He's a superstar the likes we have never seen before. But now that's he with the Dodgers, he's gotta show that he can lead the team to win the World Series like he did with Japan in the WBC. He can't do what he did with the Angels. Produce awesome numbers but year after year his team is pretty much out of the playoffs in July. Right now, Ohtani is kinda like Jokic pre-NBA title. 2 MVPs, multiple All-star selections, but no postseason success (I know Jokic did help lead the Nuggets to the Conference Finals in 2020 but outside that he kept getting bounced early. (Note, I know MPJ and Murray were injured for some of those postseasons)). If he doesn't help the Dodgers win the World Series, he's possibly gonna end up like what James Harden is currently. An all-time great player but comes up small in the postseason.
Great points here! Awesome comparison to Jokic as well. We agree that Ohtani is a superstar player and to be put on the level of the GOATs he'll need to start getting some rings on those fingers quick like Jokic was able to do, which took him to another level in terms of stardom and his place as one of the best big men of all-time winning championships. It didn't work out with the Angels and Trout, but maybe the Dodgers will be the team to make it happen for him.🤞
If you guys know anything about baseball, WAR goes bit accurately rate a DH. Stop using WAR to grade a DH. Also the 2024 rating , that’s low rating. Ohtani will be the first ever 50 HR and 40 stolen bases!!
So DH's should get a pass on WAR because they don't want/or can't play the field? When he can't pitch because of injury, why doesn't he grab a glove and play a position on the field? He's getting paid $700 million. That should be enough for him to learn a position and earn that pay check when he's not batting or pitching. 😂 Let's see about that 50HR and 40 SB season! Once these players sign massive contracts, you tend to see the teams want them running a lot less to prevent injuries over the long term to protect their investment (similar to Mike Trout after he signed his big extension).
@BreakerBrosBaseball Totally Agree Ohtani will not steal 40 Bases 25 Maybe he'll be pinched ran for most of the time they can't have that 🐐 injure a leg now 🤣
You two are a couple of clowns. How the hell would you compare Shohei Ohtani's numbers to the numbers of Babe Ruth's? Honestly, if Shohei Ohtani played against AAA guys (if you compare to Ruth's competition), Ohanti's WAR would be a million. We all know Ohtani is the much better player than Ruth. He's not the hitter Bonds is but how many innings has Bonds pitched? The very least you could do is add his WAR in Japan to his current WAR in the USA and even that is insulting Ohtani when comparing him to Babe Ruth. Ohtani is one of a kind and is the best two way player ever!
Maybe we are clowns and didn't know it! Thanks for pointing it out. lol however, you do realize that the players you are saying were AAA competition that you claim Babe Ruth faced were guys like Walter Johnson (2.17 ERA, 417 wins) and Left Grove (3.06 ERA, 300 wins). I'm sure all 30 MLB teams would want any of those two guys in the front of their rotations ASAP.
@@BreakerBrosBaseball Sorry, it was wrong of me to call you guys names. It was unnecessary. I do think that comparing Ohtani to Ruth is like comparing apples to oranges. Ruth was great, don't get me wrong, and his numbers are speculator, but the level of competition he faced, which is no fault of his, cannot be compared to the level of competition in today's baseball.
As he gets older I’m going to say he will have a lot of injuries. Japanese players have always been injury prone due to being overworked and over practiced throughout their playing time in their high school days. Especially pitchers throwing way too many pitches when they are young.
I mean, who in the modern era will ever beat Babe Ruth's WAR? Ruth was playing in a time with half the number of teams and he never played against Black, Latin, or Asian players that are completely specialized. We are in an era where a pitcher can throw 105mph and balls are being hit the furthest they have ever been hit. They compare Ohtani to Ruth because these are the only two players in history to be elite two-ways. And Ohtani already surpassed Ruth in Ks on the mound. Most of Ruth's WAR is after he gave up being a two-way player which he only did for a season and a half. C'mon guys.
what people also fail to mention is baseball was just a past time for the folks in that era. it was pickup ball that grabbed anyone off the streets to play. in this day and age kids are bred the moment they can hold a bat and do it all their lives and only a small percentage even make it to the mlb. people who do not take that into consideration are just idiots or just bias. real talk here.
Great perspective! Definitely see where you are coming from, but you don't think Ruth can hit 105mph? That's an insult to the players from back in the day thinking they can't hit the pitchers today. Ruth faced Hall of Famers Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, etc. Were they bums? Just because we see non-stop media coverage about today's players doesn't make them pound for pound better than previous generations ball players. Also, Ruth likely would have kept being a two way player if it weren't for the fact that he hit home runs at a historic clip so it was foolish not to make him only focus on batting. Ohtani passing Ruth in K's isn't that impressive as hitters routinely strike out over 200 times per season nowadays and it still lands you 10+ year contracts.
Just a past time pickup ball really? Sounds like they weren't really even trying. Tell that to Cy young who threw 749 complete games or Babe Ruth with hit 714 home runs. Not fair to say they were just doing it for giggles with that kind of effort.
@BreakerBrosBaseball the babe can definitely hit in this Era but we won't know how he will pitch against the modern hitters. Imagine this, if you put judge back in that Era I'm guessing he's hitting 100 bombs in a season. Any power hitters in this era would average 50 bombs back then. The main point is they had to get mechanics, military folks, people working a real job to go play. The modern day Era have kids built for the game.
Casual take. Stop disrespecting the greats of the past, you can't control your competition, you play who's in front if you. Ruth was the Bill Russell of baseball.
He is marketable and has supply and demand value.
There are all kinds of economic effects, and they will continue to increase.
And it is of historical value, because he is trying to do something that no one has ever done before.
Good point! Be sure to check out our next video which we'll talk about why we believe we should have more two-way players in the MLB... 😎
Babe Ruth was seeing 70mph pitches 😂 good takes though 🔥
Well to be fair, Babe Ruth's bat weighed 44.6 ounces, which is much heavier than any bat used today. In 2023, most MLB bats don't come close to Ruth's bat weight. The average bat today weighs around 32 ounces. 💪🏻
WAR for DH is different than position players lmao
Understood. So if Ohtani is one of the greatest the way the media covers him why doesn't he play a position on the field whenever he can't pitch due to injury. Only being a DH when he doesn't pitch is his choice . He can get his out there and put a glove on and earn the $700 million by playing some defense too. That would help bump his war up a lot unless he sucks in the field. LOL
@@BreakerBrosBaseball lmao yeah throwing the ball is a very smart thing to do while recovering from Tommy John 😂😂😂
This is the dumbest take of all time. Ohtani isn’t even close to overrated. Dude is definitely rated and deserves to be where he is at. People are wayyy too jealous they can never admit he’s better
Maybe in today's game, but the baseball media are putting him in comparisons with the MLB GOATs. We think that's the definition of overrating him when he still many things to accomplish to get there. Will he?
Will hopefully the Dodgers play in the post season this yr Good Luck to them cause they gonna need it nothing is giving in ⚾️ & the Dodgers are well aware of that lately they been known for getting bounced pretty quickly come October but hopefully Ohtani & the 300Mill $ Yamamoto can change things for them I sure hope so because if not I'm gonna talk my 💩💩 IDGAF 🤷🏻♂️ & that 2020 WS Covid🤧 💍 doesn't count in my opinion
@@sportscardyankee2151I wont count this one if they win it either. They're doing what people CLAIMED the Yankees did in 90s(buying rings) and everybody is fine with it now because of the obsession with shohei.
Is he overrated? Maybe....whats really annoying is that hes almost a cult of personality at this point. People criticize players in other sports for signing with super teams to try and guarantee a ring, but shohei somehow is free from that criticism. Its also annoying how everyone hated the 90s yankees for supposedly buying rings(even though they drafted and developed their core) but everybody is okay with la doing it.
Nice try to catch viewers with such a thumbnail title in 2024 to a 2-time MVP player… but don’t get too far with the selected bits of statistics. He is already a real Superstar with aura of it.
Definitely a superstar player and exciting to watch. No doubt about that!
MVP's are Sports Writers Awards.
when ohtani is doing both he is underrated. since he is just a hitter for at least a year then he might not be in the same league as other hitters, but we shall see. he seemed to run out of gas as a hitter when he was doing both so lets see how he does just hitting and not having to carry the whole damn team on his back. no bias, just trying to be honest.
Totally agree! No arguing the two-way superstar that Ohtani is, but we are just trying to be objective about all of the hype and reflecting on where will he rank all-time and will it match all of the hype the baseball media are putting behind him? 🤔
You sure about that bud?
These guys Must be Yankees or Mets fans. Got burned. Lol all seriousness, I don’t think you can judge a DH with WAR. He may not be the greatest career (because DH) but he’s the greatest talent and if he wins multiple Championships, he will be one of the GOATS 🐐!
"IF he wins multiple championships"!! That's the big statement! What if he doesn't? How did those "IF" championships work out for him and Trout on the Angels?
@BreakerBrosBaseball 4real Mike Troout is hitting .083 with a hit a HR & 1 RBI 1 Run Scored in 3 career playoffs games 🤦 & him & Ohtani never finished above .500 with both on the roster 💥💥💥 Angels fans will be Butt hurt for Life I totally understand. On another note I was happened to be raised a Yankee since I was 5yrs old 1985 so im a bit spoiled 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Otani, who has reached 44 home runs and 46 stolen bases at this point, is overrated, then most players other than Otani are garbage.
Meanwhile Wyatt Langford having three home runs within 2 days of playing
LOL... Exactly and he's not getting paid anywhere near $700 million to do it! 😎
Ruth played against plumbers and cab drivers and waiters.
For a plumber/waiter, pitcher Walter Johnson's 2.17 ERA, 1.061 WHIP and 417 Wins are extremely impressive!
@@BreakerBrosBaseball He was also playing against waiters, plumbers, and cab drivers. That is why stats in that era was inflated. During that time, I doubt there was any team west of the Mississippi. Basically, hardly anybody played professional baseball, and the ones who played were not well trained. Not their fault, they just lived at a time when athleticism was not a thing. I don't know if Walter Johnson was a plumber or waiter, but he played against others who were not very skilled or into professional sports. People back then were just trying survive day to day.
2M WITH 70M ENDORSEMENTS 😂😂 A YEAR. RUSSKI TAKES
Credit to him and his agent for getting that historic bag of dollar dollar bills ya'll! 💰💰💰💰
i have watch SHOHEI OHTANI...past few seasons with the ANGELS.....hes everything except for when it comes to CLUTCH hitting......when the team needs it the most.........but as for PITCHING .......he is CLUTCH and awesome.....WATCH OOUT !!! is OHTANI worth $700 million ??? I think yes $300 million as a player and $400 million makes for GREAT promotion for baseball...and plus you can get your money back since everyone in JAPAN and maybe in LA DODGERS fans are buying his hats and shirts.....
Great points here! Signing such a massive contract doesn't guarantee anything. He was on the same team with Trout (two of the best MLB players) for years and we saw the results that had with the Angels. His promotion is definitely worth the money, but as far as on field play the hype has gotten out of control for primarily a DH who pitches from time to time whenever he's not injured.
He can’t pitch and hit ! He’s injured to the fact that a pitchers arm I busted .
Im gonna say over rated dude hasnt even played in the post season go win a playoff series & produce some #'s in that atmosphere then we'll can get back to him being a 🐐 convo. The media needs to be drug tested 😂. Like Omar said hes a Great Talent but slightly over -rated. Lets compare his future playoffs #'s 😂with my guy Bernie Williams who doesnt get no ❤ & in my opinion is HOF material PS Shohei is gonna need min 5yrs of playoff baseball to even compare the 2 #'s Bernie was a freakn animal in October
Good points! And since Ohtani can't pitch due to the injury, how about he picks up a glove and plays some defense on the field every once in a while for the $700 million!
Fact
Highly overated. Case in point: He never carried a team. He has never been in the playoffs until this year. Stats mean nothing unless your carrying the team.
Ofcourse Shohei Ohtani is overrated. He isn't even the best at any 1 skill.
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He's not overrated. He's a superstar the likes we have never seen before. But now that's he with the Dodgers, he's gotta show that he can lead the team to win the World Series like he did with Japan in the WBC.
He can't do what he did with the Angels. Produce awesome numbers but year after year his team is pretty much out of the playoffs in July.
Right now, Ohtani is kinda like Jokic pre-NBA title. 2 MVPs, multiple All-star selections, but no postseason success (I know Jokic did help lead the Nuggets to the Conference Finals in 2020 but outside that he kept getting bounced early. (Note, I know MPJ and Murray were injured for some of those postseasons)).
If he doesn't help the Dodgers win the World Series, he's possibly gonna end up like what James Harden is currently. An all-time great player but comes up small in the postseason.
Great points here! Awesome comparison to Jokic as well. We agree that Ohtani is a superstar player and to be put on the level of the GOATs he'll need to start getting some rings on those fingers quick like Jokic was able to do, which took him to another level in terms of stardom and his place as one of the best big men of all-time winning championships. It didn't work out with the Angels and Trout, but maybe the Dodgers will be the team to make it happen for him.🤞
no, but babe ruth is
we agree 💯!!! But the baseball media are putting Ohtani is the same sentence as Ruth already
Man, this aged like absoloute crap. Why don't you guys go analyse little league next time?
I think his fanboys should wait and see before giving him the "GOAT" label. He seems like a good guy though.
His fanboys are on his nuts 24/7. It's an embarrassment
If you guys know anything about baseball, WAR goes bit accurately rate a DH. Stop using WAR to grade a DH. Also the 2024 rating , that’s low rating. Ohtani will be the first ever 50 HR and 40 stolen bases!!
So DH's should get a pass on WAR because they don't want/or can't play the field? When he can't pitch because of injury, why doesn't he grab a glove and play a position on the field? He's getting paid $700 million. That should be enough for him to learn a position and earn that pay check when he's not batting or pitching. 😂
Let's see about that 50HR and 40 SB season! Once these players sign massive contracts, you tend to see the teams want them running a lot less to prevent injuries over the long term to protect their investment (similar to Mike Trout after he signed his big extension).
@BreakerBrosBaseball Totally Agree Ohtani will not steal 40 Bases 25 Maybe he'll be pinched ran for most of the time they can't have that 🐐 injure a leg now 🤣
You two are a couple of clowns. How the hell would you compare Shohei Ohtani's numbers to the numbers of Babe Ruth's? Honestly, if Shohei Ohtani played against AAA guys (if you compare to Ruth's competition), Ohanti's WAR would be a million. We all know Ohtani is the much better player than Ruth. He's not the hitter Bonds is but how many innings has Bonds pitched?
The very least you could do is add his WAR in Japan to his current WAR in the USA and even that is insulting Ohtani when comparing him to Babe Ruth. Ohtani is one of a kind and is the best two way player ever!
Maybe we are clowns and didn't know it! Thanks for pointing it out. lol however, you do realize that the players you are saying were AAA competition that you claim Babe Ruth faced were guys like Walter Johnson (2.17 ERA, 417 wins) and Left Grove (3.06 ERA, 300 wins). I'm sure all 30 MLB teams would want any of those two guys in the front of their rotations ASAP.
@@BreakerBrosBaseball Sorry, it was wrong of me to call you guys names. It was unnecessary.
I do think that comparing Ohtani to Ruth is like comparing apples to oranges. Ruth was great, don't get me wrong, and his numbers are speculator, but the level of competition he faced, which is no fault of his, cannot be compared to the level of competition in today's baseball.
@@deltabasshunter8974 no worries at all! It's all in good fun here...😎We just love talking baseball like everyone else out there!
As he gets older I’m going to say he will have a lot of injuries. Japanese players have always been injury prone due to being overworked and over practiced throughout their playing time in their high school days. Especially pitchers throwing way too many pitches when they are young.