This video was my recommendation after watching deaths by fractal on the Fascinating Horror channel. Go figure. 😂 I watched it. You didn't die. And it's a toss-up between what is more enjoyable, seeing such lovely woodworking come to life, or watching such a pleasant and professionally filmed, edited and narrated video. Well done.
Could you please do a video of how to make the burner you use ? It looks powerful and safe. Safety is always paramount. Keep on making the great videos.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 Be careful with how to videos, liability is a real problem in this field, and you cannot control others or prevent their making shortcuts or mistakes.
This is absolutely SUPER dangerous !! I cannot stress that enough multiple people have died or had their bodies burned or destroyed while trying to play DIY with high voltge. The microwave oven transformer and voltage doubler operate at lethal voltages and currents, so don't mess with them unless you know exactly what you are doing. And always treat them with utmost respect. A MOT seldom gives you a 2nd chance if you make a mistake…
The attention to detail in this video is outstanding. Every step is explained thoroughly, making it easy for beginners like me to follow along. Kudos to the creator
High Output is critical. I bought a premade which is super low output and really, its just frustrating to use. Im so glad I found this video. Ive been looking for a highoutput unit for a while now. Im going to give lichtenberg Wood Burning Machine and Safety a try.
You can also use a 15,000v neon sign transformer. You can wire in any safety switches you want. It won't kill you instantly or blow a hole in your hand if something accidentally happens like a microwave transformer. It's also much cheaper than the lichtenberg units.
The reason the fan helps your burn start is for the same reason you blow on your camp fire to get it going. I believe the air feeds the fire making it burn hotter. I'm sure there's a much more educated explanation but that my theory as to why the fan helps you get them going when your having trouble. Anyways. Love the work gonna start doing it myself. Don't worry I'm an electrician so I should be fine. ✊️
One thing I've noticed with my burns, Try not to let it flame too much, this causes big charring that takes away from the delicate fractal pattern.. also I find if you keep the path between the probes just wet enough, it really comes to life!! I use a squirt bottle as well
I appreciate the tip, I definitely agree it looks better. And thats a good point about how wet to make it, it’s really a delicate dance the whole time just trying to keep the wood wet enough without over saturation! Thanks for watching!
Kevin was texting me earlier this year to do some videos for him. He’s a nice guy. I’ve just been super busy. I like my burns deeper. That warping happens to me a lot too. Seems like the maple for gets way dirtier than the walnut
Ya Kevin is a good dude. But I feel you, I haven’t had any time to work on any projects, I’ve been working on my new shop for months. And ya the maple definitely gets dirtier, the wood bleach helps a lot! Thanks for watching! 🤘
I thought the video was very well put together thank you very much for the education. I am just starting woodworking as a whole and this knowledge really helps. I appreciate you so much. God bless.
I preferred your homemade burner and finish. I could make 10 of these a week and make more money than I ever have working a job, and this feels easier. Doesn't mean I will, lol
Great video and beautiful boards man. The deep burns from the homegrown MT unit are really nice. Don't think the commercial rig is really worth it, when you can get results like that with a DIY setup.
my favorite finish is CA Glue. Its a bit of a hassle to apply depending on the shape of the project but nothing looks as good imo. I like that liquid, looks like you can poke your finger in it finish. Ive never had any luck with resin finishing a piece. I also use home made shelac.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 use CA medium to build up a little thickness, sand so its all dull, then do a few coats of CA Thin. Sand through your grits = best dang finish youll ever use. Its also bullet proof and food safe.
Thank you for the feedback! I am definitely getting a lot of comments like this so I’m starting to think a build video for my fractal burner is going to have to be made!
Really like the continuity if you like of that home made burner better. Finish is bit too glossy for my liking for that kind of piece would prefer bit more satin. Good job with both pieces anyways. Keep up the work.
@@briansnyder9496 , Microwave transformer and 4 foot wires , I stand back and let it work , I never touch anything but the electric cord to unplug it , that's my on and off switch
Have you ever tried using a acrylic coating in the top. I think it would keep it protected and it would shine very nice. Just a thought. Also I like the homemade burner there seems to be more space In Between the branches . The lightening one make s me think of Chinese painting art . Just another thought.
Phenomenal!! Love the content. Hey, have you ever had any issue with wood bleach affecting the finish? The reason I ask is I fractal burned a bunch of walnut pieces (same board), for wine bottle holders, and 2 of the 6 ended up having an almost cloudy or blotchy look to them days after the finish was applied and buffed off. Odie's Oil was used.
I have not had that issue. I always make sure to clean the piece really well after the wood bleach. I would imagine if it wasn’t fully cleaned and there was still some wood bleach in there it would probably affect the finish. Btw I love odies oil, it’s becoming one of my favorite finishes! And thanks for watching!!
Hey Bruce. Very nice video here. Concise and easy to understand. This is fascinating and I'm curious to perhaps apply this method to a solid body guitar body or coffee table. I do like the home-made burn a little bit more at first viewing. In regards to the retiring woodworking chap, to me it looks like he used polyester resin. In the past I made some surfboards using this as a bonding, sanding and finishing coat. A number of folks used it on large wooden hatch-covers from old sailing ships. I think I've seen similar finishes on wood at bars and restaurants here and there. The polyester resin is catalyzed with methyl ethyl ketone peroxide. It dries quite clear and very hard and sands and buffs well.
Thanks you for the kind words. You can fractal burn any type of wood really, although, denser woods are more difficult to burn. as far as the polyester resin, ive never heard of using that. thats something ill have to look into. Thanks for the comment!
The expensive machine seems to do more branching, but you would know that better than I. It also burns deeper. We would really like to hear your opinion. Is the expensive unit worth it? The voltage is lower, and the current is higher, by the advertising. The finished pieces are both excellent, and your professional attitude shows in your work. I would like to hear your pros and cons. Thanks!
Thanks for you kind words. to be honest I like my machine better. But I am comfortable with it, I've been using it for years and it works great. With that being said, the expensive machine is "more safe" right out of the box. For mine I had to add safety features. So to someone just starting out I would absolutely recommend buying the expensive machine. But if your going to want more power its not a bad idea to upgrade to the power of the home made unit just know that you need to add the safety features.
Hello, this whole process is amazing and the result is great, just one question, these boards are just decorations, right, they cannot be used as cutting boards
Don't go riding your bike on the road or walking down the sidewalk either, as far more people have died from doing that. You're correct about one thing though, high voltage is no joke and one must be careful when working with it, like many other things in life.
Safe practice doesn't fail with enough vigilance, though. These don't magically kill people. It's unknowledgeable people showing no respect for electricity.
Between the two I like the burns from the homemade Fractal Burner better and the shellac and epoxy finish better as well. As a "professional tool" I'm indifferent to the price so only the kinds of burns would matter to me and, honestly I just like the burns from your homemade machine better. If someone said to me they like and think that the ones from the lightening box were better because they look more like trees or because they have slightly more fractal definition at the smallest levels I'd probably agree but esthetically I like the cleaner, faster made ones but I would also think that having more than one option or even some sort of controller(potentiometer/voltage mitigation etc. ) that could control the type, style, depth and patterns of the burn would be an awesome thing as well. 🤔
Thanks for the feedback! some sort of controller is defiantly something i plan on adding to my device in the future but to be honest ill probably just have that thing cranked up all the way anyways lol.
Yo go boy . Slam that wood around all you like. I know I do. Good work. My buddy just recently made me one of these fractal burners out of an old microwave. I haven't used it yet, due to the fact that I have so many unfinished projects . Keep up the good work
Who cares what people think brother. You do you and forget the haters. Trolls only want to be mentioned in the video and you seem to give them a lot of credit. If someone says you slam your wood too much, I wouldn't give them a second of your time. Cute tattoos brother. Thanks for the info. Glad to see your redundant on safety
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 i definitely wouldn't make a video teaching people how to make a fractal burner using a microwave transformer... don't get me wrong, you're burner is awesome. But fu*king with microwave transformers without proper knowledge (and even sometimes with proper knowledge) can ruin a person's day (or life) really quickly. I don't know if nowadays you can buy microwave transformers out of a box that are built for fractal wood burning or if you actually have to still dissect a microwave to get that transformer, and in no way am I judging you, but if it's the latter i probably wouldn't make a video on how to do that. I enjoyed your video though and I really like how you included all the safety precautions you take. I'm guessing you probably have some background and knowledge with working with electricity and electrical components, just remember a lot of people don't. Your pieces are turned out freaking amazing!
I would like a shellac video! I've been trying it out and making a lot of mistakes... getting to a more professional finish now, but I'd love to learn even more as I'm sure I've only cracked the surface of this topic :)
There’s definitely a lot to learn with shellac and I’d be happy to make a dedicated video showing the little bit of knowledge I have on it! Thanks for the feedback!
At least he is being honest, I don't think professionalism in a person's yt channel really matters if he does well for himself and enjoys it. Everyone else can eat a bag of dicks.
the $30 dollar burner I use both too i just dont have the fancy $1000 unit i use a neon sign transformer it gets to around 900- 1000 volts it does the exact same way as the fancy $1000 unit. im sorry but their is no way that thing is worth $1000 bucks but i guess they need to make a living too. hahahaha nice work my friend keep making the vids and i will keep watching them but again nice job. stay safe Much Love Everyone!!
I agree, the only real benefit in my opinion is the fact that you can’t get around the dead man switch on the pre built unit. It’s takes a lot of the human error out of the equation. But thank you very much for your kind words, I will keep em coming!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 i think if you cant build it with it being such a dangerous machine then you may not be needing to operate the burner. i can see a company selling parts but to be making these things available to the general public isnt a good idea and that could hurt us all that are in this small group of people who do this.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620you can buy a simple foot switch for a sewing machine, and use that as a deadman switch. And INSULATE, INSULATE, INSULATE! I REPLACED A NEON SIGN TRANSFORMER ON A SIGN at my sister's store, and she has cats there in the store. So I built a plexiglass and wooden box around the transformer that made 3" airspace around any live wires and the connections. That way the cats couldn't knock it over or get anywhere near the wiring, because the original transformer was built into the base of this sign, and I had to do a complete bypass. The rubber mats on the ground is a great idea and garden hose around the wire leads is better than some folks have that I've seen! The best is to have no exposed 'hot' metal at all, except for the contact points. And if you have animals, lock them away when you are burning, and always be sure you have the unit shut off, zero power, when you aren't running it! And kids? I don't have any, but think fail safe! Layers of power shut off! Be safe!
I have two questions for you. First question is have you ever done an exterior door? And can you lightning burn any type of wood or is it only best to use a certain type of wood? thanks.
No, I have done a door. and yes, although, some woods burn better than others. As a general rule, softer woods burn better/ deeper than more dense woods.
I think the differences are most likely not from the "boxes". More likely difference in the structure between the boards, and the probe/clamp placements and sizes. Do this comparison 10 or so times making 20 pieces then compare. If you can think of a safe way to use the same set of probes on both boxes it would eliminate that variable. But board to board differences are still and issue which will require a bigger test size. As a safety question, Could you please do a quick test? WIth a decent DVM, if you would test resistance from each output lead to the earth ground on the 110 side. Please post those four numbers. Two for your DIY, two from the lightning box. Thank You.
I definitely think it has more to do with the burners. I have burned hundreds of pieces with my diy burner and quite a few with this lightening but and the results are pretty consistent. But that would definitely make a more definitive answer if I made a full video doing the tests you suggested so maybe!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 Hundreds of pieces is not the same as a study with all the variables under control. With probe contact, wood structure and applied power, you've got at least 3 variables there, each with sub-variables (like the power setting on the lightning box). More tightly controlled would be to use A vs. B boards cut from the same very consistent board (which is top dollar lumber), and really, A vs. B may not be enough. One massive study might involve tens of boards with only one variable change. And you should really try if you can think of a way to use the same set of probes. Last, to judge the results "hey guys which do you like" is not very quantitative. You were getting somewhere with your observation about the "fineness", and deepness, and speed. Those can be measured. Win-win either way, you do turn out some nice work. Good Luck.
When you exceed the limit in artistic appearances, you simplify the work and create exaggerated excesses for the eye. I think this turned into this. I think it would be much better for your art to return to the old style as soon as possible. I think excessive bifurcation definitely destroys the simplicity of your art...✌✌
I have a question completely unrelated to woodburning for you. How do you have your vice mounted? Mine are mounted under my bench with carriage bolts through the top, and they are still working their way loose.
I believe mine mounts through the stud on the side of my bench. I bought mine on Amazon, it’s been working really nice. If yours is working it’s way loose maybe just try locknuts and tread sealer.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 my bench is pine, and I think the fibers are actually getting crushed in the wood as all the weight is being carried by two carriage bolts from the under mounting. If I do it again, I’m going to have to replace at least a portion of my workbench in hardwood.
Are they just jump leads/ welding leads you have there, as the insulation will not be rated for 2KV as usually only handle about 100 volts on the insulation. Electric fence HT wire would be ok for those voltages as designed for over 6KV
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 I mean if you don't touch the sheathing it should be fine, but high voltage can bite you through thin insulation not designed for high voltages.
Dam bro that looks amazing nice to see the difference between them. If you have one them kits spare id be happy to put it to use. Ps Did u see John maleckis latest video he bought an Amazon kit for this would be interested to here your thoughts on the kit he bought?? 👍🏴 Ps u gotta show us how its done.
11:56 if you wanted to leave all the burn marks black, could you just send it and leave the ash in all the burns, and then use epoxy directly over top since it will penetrate?
I think that would force even more water into the wood grain and cause worse warping of the wood. All you really need to get it clean is low pressure water and a brass brush.
Don’t try it. Seriously, fractal wood burning can kill you in an instant if you even touch the metal, the water, the wood, anything with the current running through it. Even accidentally. The table if it’s not insulated properly. Woodturner has 34 deaths listed on their website and a ton of warnings. Experienced electricians have died from this. The warnings he has about never trying fractal wood burning should be heeded.
I had a question… I used a non toxic epoxy pigment called sigwong for some cheese boards… the epoxy itself is food grade… is this food safe or should I drop a clear coat over it to make it food safe ? This has been killing me all week with no clear answers. Please help and thank you.
Epoxy is food safe, once fully cured- which can take a couple months depending on the manufacturer. It’s very important to note that you can not cut on any film finish- no cutting board with epoxy/ polyurethane finish. But once fully cured it’s perfectly safe to serve food on.
Please be careful with the microwave transformer. I do burns as well and I use a 15,000v neon sign transformer. It won't kill you immediately or blow a hole in your hand if something did accidentally happen. Also try KOH as the electrolyte instead of baking soda. Same ratio. It helps a bit with the discoloration. Don't use the black sponge though, use a normal brush if you try KOH.
you can really control the burn and really get a lot more detailed burns if you use a Variac voltage regulator. their like $60 bucks online not expensive at all check theem out i think i may have spelled it wrong stay safe
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 koh is potassium hydroxide, a caustic base( vs an acid). It can cause burns to the skin and eyes, and there are other electrically conducting solutions available. Washing soda is very cheap, and can be used with a battery charger to remove rust. A neon signal transformer is current limited to 30 milliamps, thus preventing your heart from going into fibrillation if you get shocked. Don't test this data. Many situations can alter the results of being shocked. Stay safe, and if you are not familiar with high voltage, don't try this at home, or anywhere else, it's simply not worth it.
I can't believe anyone would pay $1000 for what is essentially a $30 neon sign transformer in a steel enclosure. I guess it's for the fancy accessories? And just for the sake of credibility, it's "Lichtenberg" (like "lick-ten-berg") and not "Lynchtenberg". I'm not hating on your video - this is very nice work - but there are plenty of people who will be total assholes over minor errors and dismiss anything good you have to contribute. I did enjoy the video. Best wishes, and stay safe. Complacency is the enemy.
ok ok ok ok hold TF up bobo...... im 2:26 minutes into this video and the first thing I'm giving this dude a big shout-out. I'm an overhead distribution power lineman and that beautiful orange rubber mat he flippy flopped down is part of what I use daily to do what is called "Hot Work", energized power line work specifically I'm a Re-Conduct man. but that there is a blanket to cover shit that could become a potential. we work the method known as Insluate and Isolate which right out of the gate my man here is removing possible chances of potential with just that blanket. Well done dude! you could take safety up a notch with some class 2 or 3 gloves and if you are feeling extra dapper throw on some rubber sleeves too 😆 awesome video though dude!! loved it
Also thinking to what you were saying about the and placing the screws in as help for probing. if you think about current and flow and good conductors, have you ever tried to take a few 5 or so little copper nails and place them throughout the piece to give the path different areas to run to? and as far as making things like cutting boards etc.. can epoxy be applied and still be considered food safe or can you add shit or a top coat?
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 hell yes fellow wizard of the wire I see! I was thinking either you are, were or know someone if you have some "spare" blankets laying about that 👀 somehow got a slight hole in the corner 😂 yeah great stuff dude I've been looking into building my own burner and working with family wood gifts and furniture amongst other things
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 and hell hooking ain't easy but someone has to keep everyone turned on!! 😂 Stay safe out there brotha ⚡💪🏼what area you working in?
I have tried using copper staples and screws, nothing seems to work as good as just clamping it. And yes my pieces are still food safe, I just don’t recommend cutting over the epoxy. Or the wood for that matter, it will damage the grain. But thanks for watching bro!
Yeah, it's really important to drive home the "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME" factor with this. I don't think people realize how easily you can die doing this. It's one of the leading causes of death in the maker community. Death from doing this is extremely painful too. You cook alive until you die... Not worth the burnt wood and cutting boards.
Do you realize 33 people died from this in 6 yrs, and 444 people die on average per year from lightning strikes in the U.S. alone? Yes there is risk, but it is greatly over stated.
One thing you should never do is use the water during the burn. Water is a good conductor and if you are spraying it while burning, electricity will find its way thru the water to you.
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For table top epoxy , you can also get 1 ounce pumps for gallon jugs that they use for snowcone syrup as well. I use them when I make epoxy tumblers
That would probably make things a little easier, thanks for the tip!
This video was my recommendation after watching deaths by fractal on the Fascinating Horror channel. Go figure. 😂 I watched it. You didn't die. And it's a toss-up between what is more enjoyable, seeing such lovely woodworking come to life, or watching such a pleasant and professionally filmed, edited and narrated video. Well done.
also, pro tip, buy the scrub brush heads for a drill. It makes cleaning out after the burn way easier and faster imo.
I’ll have to check that out thanks!
Could you please do a video of how to make the burner you use ? It looks powerful and safe. Safety is always paramount. Keep on making the great videos.
Absolutely right, safety is key! I may just have to make a video on how I made my burner, thanks for watching and for the feedback! 😁
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 Be careful with how to videos, liability is a real problem in this field, and you cannot control others or prevent their making shortcuts or mistakes.
This is absolutely SUPER dangerous !! I cannot stress that enough multiple people have died or had their bodies burned or destroyed while trying to play DIY with high voltge.
The microwave oven transformer and voltage doubler operate at lethal voltages and currents, so don't mess with them unless you know exactly what you are doing. And always treat them with utmost respect. A MOT seldom gives you a 2nd chance if you make a mistake…
@@artouditou0818 Correct.
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The attention to detail in this video is outstanding. Every step is explained thoroughly, making it easy for beginners like me to follow along. Kudos to the creator
Thank you very much.
Love your videos not an accomplished woodworker and I learn from those willing to share knowledge. Thank you.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
High Output is critical. I bought a premade which is super low output and really, its just frustrating to use. Im so glad I found this video. Ive been looking for a highoutput unit for a while now. Im going to give lichtenberg Wood Burning Machine and Safety a try.
Ya it’s definitely a nice unit. I didn’t even know you could buy something like this for years until I found them. It’s definitely a solid unit!
You can also use a 15,000v neon sign transformer. You can wire in any safety switches you want. It won't kill you instantly or blow a hole in your hand if something accidentally happens like a microwave transformer. It's also much cheaper than the lichtenberg units.
The reason the fan helps your burn start is for the same reason you blow on your camp fire to get it going. I believe the air feeds the fire making it burn hotter. I'm sure there's a much more educated explanation but that my theory as to why the fan helps you get them going when your having trouble. Anyways. Love the work gonna start doing it myself. Don't worry I'm an electrician so I should be fine. ✊️
One thing I've noticed with my burns, Try not to let it flame too much, this causes big charring that takes away from the delicate fractal pattern.. also I find if you keep the path between the probes just wet enough, it really comes to life!! I use a squirt bottle as well
I appreciate the tip, I definitely agree it looks better. And thats a good point about how wet to make it, it’s really a delicate dance the whole time just trying to keep the wood wet enough without over saturation! Thanks for watching!
I like the burn from the homemade one and the finish of the lightning box one. But I’m always a fan of more satin finishes. It looks buttery and luxe.
I agree! Thanks for watching!
Kevin was texting me earlier this year to do some videos for him. He’s a nice guy. I’ve just been super busy. I like my burns deeper. That warping happens to me a lot too. Seems like the maple for gets way dirtier than the walnut
Ya Kevin is a good dude. But I feel you, I haven’t had any time to work on any projects, I’ve been working on my new shop for months. And ya the maple definitely gets dirtier, the wood bleach helps a lot! Thanks for watching! 🤘
I thought the video was very well put together thank you very much for the education. I am just starting woodworking as a whole and this knowledge really helps. I appreciate you so much. God bless.
Not sure how anyone could hate on this work. Beautiful job 🎉
Thank you!
Buddy you are doing good job keep it up.
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Thank you!
I made one a few months ago and I love using it I burn all types of wood I have tried all different grain and wood types
Totally agree with the idea of not hoarding useful knowledge! Great video 👍🙌
I preferred your homemade burner and finish. I could make 10 of these a week and make more money than I ever have working a job, and this feels easier. Doesn't mean I will, lol
I’ve tried, it’s not worth it 😂 you get burned out so quick
Great video and beautiful boards man. The deep burns from the homegrown MT unit are really nice. Don't think the commercial rig is really worth it, when you can get results like that with a DIY setup.
Great work. Good manners are hard to find. Much respect.
my favorite finish is CA Glue. Its a bit of a hassle to apply depending on the shape of the project but nothing looks as good imo. I like that liquid, looks like you can poke your finger in it finish. Ive never had any luck with resin finishing a piece. I also use home made shelac.
I didn’t even know you could do a ca glue finish. Sounds very time consuming 😂
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 use CA medium to build up a little thickness, sand so its all dull, then do a few coats of CA Thin. Sand through your grits = best dang finish youll ever use. Its also bullet proof and food safe.
Same as the rest, would love to see a build video on your burner. Put all the disclaimers on it you want.
Thank you for the feedback! I am definitely getting a lot of comments like this so I’m starting to think a build video for my fractal burner is going to have to be made!
Really like the continuity if you like of that home made burner better. Finish is bit too glossy for my liking for that kind of piece would prefer bit more satin. Good job with both pieces anyways. Keep up the work.
Different strokes for different folks, I appreciate the feedback! And thank you!
Even cutting cheese with a spoon will leave a mark in any surface you put on top of that piece of wood
It’s just for serving. I never recommend anyone cut on my boards. It will absolutely scratch the finish.
Any chance on a video of how to build your burning unit?
I definitely may do that in the future if enough people are interested!
Any chance you have a parts list? I’d like to follow along as I watch your video
@@briansnyder9496 , Microwave transformer and 4 foot wires , I stand back and let it work , I never touch anything but the electric cord to unplug it , that's my on and off switch
Have you ever tried using a acrylic coating in the top. I think it would keep it protected and it would shine very nice. Just a thought. Also I like the homemade burner there seems to be more space In Between the branches . The lightening one make s me think of Chinese painting art . Just another thought.
Phenomenal!! Love the content. Hey, have you ever had any issue with wood bleach affecting the finish? The reason I ask is I fractal burned a bunch of walnut pieces (same board), for wine bottle holders, and 2 of the 6 ended up having an almost cloudy or blotchy look to them days after the finish was applied and buffed off. Odie's Oil was used.
I have not had that issue. I always make sure to clean the piece really well after the wood bleach. I would imagine if it wasn’t fully cleaned and there was still some wood bleach in there it would probably affect the finish.
Btw I love odies oil, it’s becoming one of my favorite finishes!
And thanks for watching!!
Hey Bruce. Very nice video here. Concise and easy to understand. This is fascinating and I'm curious to perhaps apply this method to a solid body guitar body or coffee table. I do like the home-made burn a little bit more at first viewing. In regards to the retiring woodworking chap, to me it looks like he used polyester resin. In the past I made some surfboards using this as a bonding, sanding and finishing coat. A number of folks used it on large wooden hatch-covers from old sailing ships. I think I've seen similar finishes on wood at bars and restaurants here and there. The polyester resin is catalyzed with methyl ethyl ketone peroxide. It dries quite clear and very hard and sands and buffs well.
Thanks you for the kind words. You can fractal burn any type of wood really, although, denser woods are more difficult to burn.
as far as the polyester resin, ive never heard of using that. thats something ill have to look into. Thanks for the comment!
The expensive machine seems to do more branching, but you would know that better than I. It also burns deeper. We would really like to hear your opinion. Is the expensive unit worth it? The voltage is lower, and the current is higher, by the advertising. The finished pieces are both excellent, and your professional attitude shows in your work. I would like to hear your pros and cons. Thanks!
Thanks for you kind words. to be honest I like my machine better. But I am comfortable with it, I've been using it for years and it works great. With that being said, the expensive machine is "more safe" right out of the box. For mine I had to add safety features. So to someone just starting out I would absolutely recommend buying the expensive machine. But if your going to want more power its not a bad idea to upgrade to the power of the home made unit just know that you need to add the safety features.
Hello, this whole process is amazing and the result is great, just one question, these boards are just decorations, right, they cannot be used as cutting boards
Yes just decoration, serving trays. If you cut in them you would ruin the finish.
To anybody that wants to try this: Don‘t. High voltage is no joke, many people have died from this. And yes, safety switches can fail too.
Don't go riding your bike on the road or walking down the sidewalk either, as far more people have died from doing that. You're correct about one thing though, high voltage is no joke and one must be careful when working with it, like many other things in life.
Safe practice doesn't fail with enough vigilance, though. These don't magically kill people. It's unknowledgeable people showing no respect for electricity.
Thank you for the great video. I’ve been wanting to try my hand it this.
Do full video on how you do the shellac please sir!
Coming soon! Thanks for watching!
Hey, are you going to do a video on the shellac / poly?
I definitely might! I’ve had a few people ask about it.
I would love to see a whole program on using shellac’s to finish off your works.
Boards both look amazing, my question is are those finishes food grade? Since they are charcuterie boards?
Between the two I like the burns from the homemade Fractal Burner better and the shellac and epoxy finish better as well. As a "professional tool" I'm indifferent to the price so only the kinds of burns would matter to me and, honestly I just like the burns from your homemade machine better.
If someone said to me they like and think that the ones from the lightening box were better because they look more like trees or because they have slightly more fractal definition at the smallest levels I'd probably agree but esthetically I like the cleaner, faster made ones but I would also think that having more than one option or even some sort of controller(potentiometer/voltage mitigation etc. ) that could control the type, style, depth and patterns of the burn would be an awesome thing as well. 🤔
Thanks for the feedback! some sort of controller is defiantly something i plan on adding to my device in the future but to be honest ill probably just have that thing cranked up all the way anyways lol.
They both look great
Thank you!!
Incredible as always
Thank you very much!
Yo go boy . Slam that wood around all you like. I know I do. Good work. My buddy just recently made me one of these fractal burners out of an old microwave. I haven't used it yet, due to the fact that I have so many unfinished projects . Keep up the good work
are you still okay
Very chill video man 🤙, good info as well.
Who cares what people think brother. You do you and forget the haters. Trolls only want to be mentioned in the video and you seem to give them a lot of credit. If someone says you slam your wood too much, I wouldn't give them a second of your time. Cute tattoos brother. Thanks for the info. Glad to see your redundant on safety
Can you make a video of how you made your fractil box? I like your set up better as it looks far safer.
I definitely may do that in the future if there’s enough demand for it. Thanks for watching!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 i definitely wouldn't make a video teaching people how to make a fractal burner using a microwave transformer... don't get me wrong, you're burner is awesome. But fu*king with microwave transformers without proper knowledge (and even sometimes with proper knowledge) can ruin a person's day (or life) really quickly. I don't know if nowadays you can buy microwave transformers out of a box that are built for fractal wood burning or if you actually have to still dissect a microwave to get that transformer, and in no way am I judging you, but if it's the latter i probably wouldn't make a video on how to do that. I enjoyed your video though and I really like how you included all the safety precautions you take. I'm guessing you probably have some background and knowledge with working with electricity and electrical components, just remember a lot of people don't. Your pieces are turned out freaking amazing!
Very interesting and cool method of woodworking 👍
Thank you!!
I would like a shellac video! I've been trying it out and making a lot of mistakes... getting to a more professional finish now, but I'd love to learn even more as I'm sure I've only cracked the surface of this topic :)
There’s definitely a lot to learn with shellac and I’d be happy to make a dedicated video showing the little bit of knowledge I have on it! Thanks for the feedback!
What types of wood do you use? (looks fantastic, really nice product)
I get all kinds of beautiful maple at my local lumberyard, curly, spalted, ambrosia. I work with black walnut, hickory, and cherry a lot too.
Thank you!
Killer video brother! I’m highly interested in getting started and learning more… appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Thank you very much!
If it makes somebody upset you do it more .,.man that's real professional.....awesome work though man
At least he is being honest, I don't think professionalism in a person's yt channel really matters if he does well for himself and enjoys it. Everyone else can eat a bag of dicks.
That’s absolutely beautiful 🤩
the $30 dollar burner I use both too i just dont have the fancy $1000 unit i use a neon sign transformer it gets to around 900- 1000 volts it does the exact same way as the fancy $1000 unit. im sorry but their is no way that thing is worth $1000 bucks but i guess they need to make a living too. hahahaha nice work my friend keep making the vids and i will keep watching them but again nice job. stay safe Much Love Everyone!!
I agree, the only real benefit in my opinion is the fact that you can’t get around the dead man switch on the pre built unit. It’s takes a lot of the human error out of the equation. But thank you very much for your kind words, I will keep em coming!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 i think if you cant build it with it being such a dangerous machine then you may not be needing to operate the burner. i can see a company selling parts but to be making these things available to the general public isnt a good idea and that could hurt us all that are in this small group of people who do this.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620you can buy a simple foot switch for a sewing machine, and use that as a deadman switch. And INSULATE, INSULATE, INSULATE! I REPLACED A NEON SIGN TRANSFORMER ON A SIGN at my sister's store, and she has cats there in the store. So I built a plexiglass and wooden box around the transformer that made 3" airspace around any live wires and the connections. That way the cats couldn't knock it over or get anywhere near the wiring, because the original transformer was built into the base of this sign, and I had to do a complete bypass. The rubber mats on the ground is a great idea and garden hose around the wire leads is better than some folks have that I've seen! The best is to have no exposed 'hot' metal at all, except for the contact points. And if you have animals, lock them away when you are burning, and always be sure you have the unit shut off, zero power, when you aren't running it! And kids? I don't have any, but think fail safe! Layers of power shut off! Be safe!
Hi Josh. Some neon sign transformers can go as high as 15,000 Volts! So be very careful! Be sure you read the label correctly!
Those higher voltages aren't necessary for fractal burning, either!
I have two questions for you. First question is have you ever done an exterior door? And can you lightning burn any type of wood or is it only best to use a certain type of wood? thanks.
No, I have done a door. and yes, although, some woods burn better than others. As a general rule, softer woods burn better/ deeper than more dense woods.
For bubbles in epoxy just spray 99.9% Isopropyl alcohol wait for some time then heat up the epoxy
Both board are great 👍
Did you try shellac and rubio (it works with standard linseed oil so should also be ok)?
I’m not sure if the Rubio would adhere to the shellac. But that you!
Thank*
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 Rubio would certainly not approve, at least until they launch a shellac based product range 🤣
I think the differences are most likely not from the "boxes". More likely difference in the structure between the boards, and the probe/clamp placements and sizes. Do this comparison 10 or so times making 20 pieces then compare. If you can think of a safe way to use the same set of probes on both boxes it would eliminate that variable. But board to board differences are still and issue which will require a bigger test size.
As a safety question, Could you please do a quick test? WIth a decent DVM, if you would test resistance from each output lead to the earth ground on the 110 side. Please post those four numbers. Two for your DIY, two from the lightning box. Thank You.
I definitely think it has more to do with the burners. I have burned hundreds of pieces with my diy burner and quite a few with this lightening but and the results are pretty consistent. But that would definitely make a more definitive answer if I made a full video doing the tests you suggested so maybe!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620
Hundreds of pieces is not the same as a study with all the variables under control.
With probe contact, wood structure and applied power, you've got at least 3 variables there, each with sub-variables (like the power setting on the lightning box).
More tightly controlled would be to use A vs. B boards cut from the same very consistent board (which is top dollar lumber), and really, A vs. B may not be enough. One massive study might involve tens of boards with only one variable change. And you should really try if you can think of a way to use the same set of probes. Last, to judge the results "hey guys which do you like" is not very quantitative. You were getting somewhere with your observation about the "fineness", and deepness, and speed. Those can be measured.
Win-win either way, you do turn out some nice work.
Good Luck.
Awesome video mate, very informative.
Glad you enjoyed it
I wanna know how you made the fractural burn machine
Great job man keep up the good work
When you exceed the limit in artistic appearances, you simplify the work and create exaggerated excesses for the eye. I think this turned into this. I think it would be much better for your art to return to the old style as soon as possible. I think excessive bifurcation definitely destroys the simplicity of your art...✌✌
I have a question completely unrelated to woodburning for you. How do you have your vice mounted? Mine are mounted under my bench with carriage bolts through the top, and they are still working their way loose.
I believe mine mounts through the stud on the side of my bench. I bought mine on Amazon, it’s been working really nice. If yours is working it’s way loose maybe just try locknuts and tread sealer.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 my bench is pine, and I think the fibers are actually getting crushed in the wood as all the weight is being carried by two carriage bolts from the under mounting. If I do it again, I’m going to have to replace at least a portion of my workbench in hardwood.
great video, i didn't see $930 of difference so for me it would be the cheap burner.
Are they just jump leads/ welding leads you have there, as the insulation will not be rated for 2KV as usually only handle about 100 volts on the insulation. Electric fence HT wire would be ok for those voltages as designed for over 6KV
You’re right, the wire/ clamps are not rated for the voltage I am putting through them. Do as I say not as I do.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 I mean if you don't touch the sheathing it should be fine, but high voltage can bite you through thin insulation not designed for high voltages.
Nice work. I'm just starting out
Thanks, good luck, be safe!
I came here to check if you were alive. stay safe!
Thanks for checking in. Ya I’m still here
Dam bro that looks amazing nice to see the difference between them. If you have one them kits spare id be happy to put it to use. Ps Did u see John maleckis latest video he bought an Amazon kit for this would be interested to here your thoughts on the kit he bought?? 👍🏴 Ps u gotta show us how its done.
I actually didn’t tint see that videos yet and I’m a pretty big fan of his channel, I’ll have to go check it out! Thanks for watching my video!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 yea he does slate fractal burning but his opinion. Think it was his latest video on his main channel.
PS would love to see your video on finish
Noted! I’ll have to see what the overall demand is for the video but I would love to make it!
For mirror like finish in epoxy send it up to at least 2000 grit sand paper and then put the top coat.
ill have to try that. thanks for the feedback!
Great content, but I miss a lot of what you say because I keep having to mute the sound. The tick tick boom boom is really really annoying.
11:56 if you wanted to leave all the burn marks black, could you just send it and leave the ash in all the burns, and then use epoxy directly over top since it will penetrate?
I have don’t that before, I find it to look cleaner if I just remove all the ash and fill with black epoxy to make it look like ash.
Don't know if someone has allready asked for it,could you do a rifle stock or pistol grips?
So many people have lol. that will defiantly have to be a future video.
Looks cool, but not dangerous enough for me.
I will stick with refrigeration maintenance.
Beautiful!
Thank you!!
Did u try cleaning it with power washer?
I think that would force even more water into the wood grain and cause worse warping of the wood. All you really need to get it clean is low pressure water and a brass brush.
I started watching to learn how to do fractal wood burning. Is that three parts water to one part baking soda?
Don’t try it. Seriously, fractal wood burning can kill you in an instant if you even touch the metal, the water, the wood, anything with the current running through it. Even accidentally. The table if it’s not insulated properly. Woodturner has 34 deaths listed on their website and a ton of warnings. Experienced electricians have died from this. The warnings he has about never trying fractal wood burning should be heeded.
I had a question… I used a non toxic epoxy pigment called sigwong for some cheese boards… the epoxy itself is food grade… is this food safe or should I drop a clear coat over it to make it food safe ? This has been killing me all week with no clear answers. Please help and thank you.
Epoxy is food safe, once fully cured- which can take a couple months depending on the manufacturer.
It’s very important to note that you can not cut on any film finish- no cutting board with epoxy/ polyurethane finish. But once fully cured it’s perfectly safe to serve food on.
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 does the epoxy coloring change the safety? Also thank you so much. Instant sub
Please be careful with the microwave transformer. I do burns as well and I use a 15,000v neon sign transformer. It won't kill you immediately or blow a hole in your hand if something did accidentally happen. Also try KOH as the electrolyte instead of baking soda. Same ratio. It helps a bit with the discoloration. Don't use the black sponge though, use a normal brush if you try KOH.
Always very careful! What is KOH?
you can really control the burn and really get a lot more detailed burns if you use a Variac voltage regulator. their like $60 bucks online not expensive at all check theem out i think i may have spelled it wrong stay safe
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 koh is potassium hydroxide, a caustic base( vs an acid). It can cause burns to the skin and eyes, and there are other electrically conducting solutions available. Washing soda is very cheap, and can be used with a battery charger to remove rust. A neon signal transformer is current limited to 30 milliamps, thus preventing your heart from going into fibrillation if you get shocked. Don't test this data. Many situations can alter the results of being shocked. Stay safe, and if you are not familiar with high voltage, don't try this at home, or anywhere else, it's simply not worth it.
I can't believe anyone would pay $1000 for what is essentially a $30 neon sign transformer in a steel enclosure. I guess it's for the fancy accessories?
And just for the sake of credibility, it's "Lichtenberg" (like "lick-ten-berg") and not "Lynchtenberg".
I'm not hating on your video - this is very nice work - but there are plenty of people who will be total assholes over minor errors and dismiss anything good you have to contribute. I did enjoy the video. Best wishes, and stay safe. Complacency is the enemy.
How can order something for my home? Tailored
On my website burnswoodshop.com
I was so upset by how much you slammed the wood around… you’re going to break something!
What, like a finger nail? 💅😂
If you think your shellac more, you won't need to sand between coats. FYI.
I’ll usually do 2-3 thick coats of shellac before I sand.
ok ok ok ok hold TF up bobo...... im 2:26 minutes into this video and the first thing I'm giving this dude a big shout-out. I'm an overhead distribution power lineman and that beautiful orange rubber mat he flippy flopped down is part of what I use daily to do what is called "Hot Work", energized power line work specifically I'm a Re-Conduct man. but that there is a blanket to cover shit that could become a potential. we work the method known as Insluate and Isolate which right out of the gate my man here is removing possible chances of potential with just that blanket. Well done dude!
you could take safety up a notch with some class 2 or 3 gloves and if you are feeling extra dapper throw on some rubber sleeves too 😆
awesome video though dude!! loved it
Also thinking to what you were saying about the and placing the screws in as help for probing. if you think about current and flow and good conductors, have you ever tried to take a few 5 or so little copper nails and place them throughout the piece to give the path different areas to run to?
and as far as making things like cutting boards etc.. can epoxy be applied and still be considered food safe or can you add shit or a top coat?
I am actually a lineman myself for my day job. So know how helpful those blankets are! Thanks for watching!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 hell yes fellow wizard of the wire I see! I was thinking either you are, were or know someone if you have some "spare" blankets laying about that 👀 somehow got a slight hole in the corner 😂 yeah great stuff dude I've been looking into building my own burner and working with family wood gifts and furniture amongst other things
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620 and hell hooking ain't easy but someone has to keep everyone turned on!! 😂 Stay safe out there brotha ⚡💪🏼what area you working in?
I have tried using copper staples and screws, nothing seems to work as good as just clamping it. And yes my pieces are still food safe, I just don’t recommend cutting over the epoxy. Or the wood for that matter, it will damage the grain. But thanks for watching bro!
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Welcome, thank you for watching!!
It may only be used in small sized works.🤞🤞
Yeah, it's really important to drive home the "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME" factor with this. I don't think people realize how easily you can die doing this. It's one of the leading causes of death in the maker community.
Death from doing this is extremely painful too. You cook alive until you die... Not worth the burnt wood and cutting boards.
Absolutely, I agree!!
Do you realize 33 people died from this in 6 yrs, and 444 people die on average per year from lightning strikes in the U.S. alone? Yes there is risk, but it is greatly over stated.
DO NOT USE AT HOME!! My friend died using. 19/11/24
These are all deathtraps.
good stuff
Triple Thick Coat is probably what the old dude was using...
Something that burns a track in that much wood will cause flames on YOU!
oh, and stop your heart dead
Been a while since the last video, that’s all I’m sayin
How is this still allowed on TH-cam? I thought it was all banned..!?
There's no reason for it not to be on TH-cam. It doesn't violate any rules.
I don’t think you slam the wood enough. It’s disappointing.
I know, I need to work on that
Tell everybody not to catch stuff on the board
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One thing you should never do is use the water during the burn. Water is a good conductor and if you are spraying it while burning, electricity will find its way thru the water to you.
That’s a good point I didn’t make clear in the video. I turn the machine off every time I spray water. That is very important!
@@bruceburnswoodshop1620Thank you for clarifying, really appreciate it
Yes it will be careful
That is some beautiful work
Why don’t you want people to do this? What school did you go to?
It’s very dangerous
Im guessing the transformer i have is small becuase my burns are not newrly as good
What are you using?