The wheel slip is in my opinion one of the best parts about trains. Because it shows you the power of the engine in a brief second . Also probably because of the polar express frozen ice scene.
611 does it a lot too. I've noticed this engine doesn't like switches, and will predictably slip on encountering a switch at low speeds. Here they had parked on top of one, and had to bunch up slack and take a rolling start at it.
@@hehe-IgoBRRRR at first I was like "yeah, tf is this dude trolling?" But then I remembered some locomotives have steel bands around the wheels called tires.
Rode about 45 miles behind 611 around 1985. Looked her over for about an hour as she took on coal and water while the crew had lunch. What a magnificent machine! Both the beauty AND the beast.
Interesting reply, because 611 reminds me a helluva lot of my Mother in Law: Weighs over 300 tonnes, has enough power to pull down a house and is loud enough that you can hear her from across town if she's going uphill.
Wow these old steam locomotives are truly amazing, they seem almost alive, like huge living and breathing monsters. I can only imagine what an event traveling by train must have been in the old days
I love the sound of a steam loco getting up to speed. The initial puffs of steam bursting through, and each beat and pulse of the engine getting quicker and closer together. Just really adds a sense of occasion I think.
@Bill Williams , Dr. Demming said the root cause was the preoccupation of USA upper management with quarterly profits and that same management believing that an outlook of 2 years was long range planning.
They are truly amazing and it is great that so many organizations are restoring and maintaining these machines for future generations to see. Now that the BigBoy is out in the public more people are being introduced to trains and steam in particular and I can only hope that equates to more interest in train travel, train logistics and even model trains.
@@sydspoak6754 Yeah Steam was the technology of the time and what they did to maximize these machines was awesome. But yes, the newer locomotives provides more durability, easier on resources and the cost to maintain is significantly less. Heck, there are diesel locomotives still in revenue operation that were built 50's and early 60's...granted they likely had mods since the original build but they are still around working hard.
@Bill Williams Let's for one second give the other side of the argument the benefit of the doubt. I am though also for quality over quantity. But isn't the fact that these kind of machines are so incredibly well built, a sign of over-panning? And that they did not take into account that new technology would make things more efficient and outproduce over-planned craftmanship? In spite of this, i also like well-built and quality industrial solutions, because over time, it makes the best use of limited resources, and also gives people psychological boost and safety. It lifts the community when you know that someone gave a damn when they did something, and it makes you want to learn more about it. You don't exactly feel like learning about "made in China" crap.
I _adore_ the wheel slip. You think steam engines, you think torque, but we tend to forget sometimes that these are also precision machines, the absolute peak of the tech of their day, and they have more than _just_ tremendous brute force. They have _insane_ power, and yet the ability to apply that power _just so._
I remember when I was young my house was close to the railroad. And once in awhile this train would come through when we heard it we all would run to the tracks to see it. This one and the older steam engine was really a site to see love the whistle on these
They are like tame dragons - sensational. The whistle is more like a big ship's foghorn. You would hear that for miles. One of the most beautiful steam locos of all time.
When I was visiting my grandmother's house in a small village, at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, I would hear the steam train going past the station. Some times they would toot the whistle at the crossings, I would wake up then drop back to sleep. It is a wonderful sound to hear especially at night. Toot & Carry on
Listening to the distant sounds of an old steamer pulling the mountain pass a few miles away from my childhood home is a memory I'll hold onto as well. Wake up just enough to recognize what the racket was all about and drift right back to sleep. Years later, after that line was closed down, a few of us would saddle up and spend a weekend 'hiking the rails'. Good times all 'round.
Love it, because that's just tougher than woodpecker lips: the wheels spin on occasion when starting out and it's slow deep chug! I could listen to that all day.
@@kurttug Um ... not. It´s about 7 - 10%. BUT you should take into consideration that this technology is not developed from 30´s or so ... So with modern technology of controlled burning ... and not burning coal but natural gas maybe ... who knows.
What a magnificent locomotive. Thank goodness there are groups of volunteers who are working hard to keep these engines in good working order around the world. Thank you for sharing this video.
We road behind the J611 on its inaugural run. It was GREAT! The engine real "talks" as it charges up the hills. We were in the lounge car (extra fare) with "continuous light refreshment and beverage service". As my five year old son remarked: "This is the way to travel". Good to see it is still running and allowing people to experience steam in action.
Almost brings tears to my eyes seeing these beautiful beasts. My dad (R.I.P) worked and retired from Southern Pacific (38) years and we lived three house down fron the railroad tracks. Remember them very well in the 1950's.
My Grandfather and Uncle both were engineers on Ft. Worth and Denver Railroads. Grandfather and family lived in railroad center of Sterley Texas just north of Lockney Texas. Grand parents and six kids lived in the back of a long narrow [shotgun] house and women cooked for rail workers who ate there. Grandfather's daily run just like UPS [was from Shamrock to Silverton Tx, to Sterley, Lockney, Hart and Dimmit Tx. It was the old west [literally] the area where indians, robbers, cowmen and marshals existed. My Uncle was drafted for WWII - no boot camp for him - just direct to England where he managed war freight through Sherwood forrest and prowling German aircraft. I've managed to buy a long spout oil can and coal [kerosene] can both marked Fanta Fe Rwy ! Prized possessions being saved for my grandson [nicknamed "Train Man']. Thanks for the great video - the engineer is an artist at minimising wheel spin.
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Incredible machines. A few years back, my wife and I had the pleasure of riding behind the NKP 765. No matter how many times I see one, I stand in awe at the engineering and craftsmanship of these beautiful machines.
Beautiful machines built with pencil, paper, slide rules and imagination….my grandfather was an engineer for the B&O. I’ve got all kinds of memories and railroad stuff. Got to ride in a couple steam and diesels.
I've seen 611 pass through the Cambria crossing in Christiansburg VA a number of times, going back several decades. The most memorable was early one autumn morning (a "leaf excursion") with a definite chill in the air. The entire locomotive was absolutely wreathed in a cloud of steam as she headed west! How I wish I'd had a camera with me that day! (Years before they invented cell phones with cameras, sadly.) But the memory will stay with me forever! 🥰
Once I flipped a vinyl LP record of a recording of the last trip of a steam engine between Minneapolis and Chicago, I believe the trip was in 1965. According to the album cover, it turned out that it would be about 2am when the train would pass right by the home of the CEO who made the decision to mothball the engine. So of course when it got to that spot at that time, the engineer saw fit to let out a series of good long blasts of the horn, just for extra safety of course.
Such an awesome bit of kit. I wish I could experience something like this. There are some fantastic old steam engines coming through where I live in England this year and I cannot wait. I completely agree about recording everything you can. Especially when it comes to the railway. Thanks mate
What an awesome sight. It appears 611 lifted the train without any assistance from the 2 Diesels attached.. at one point I thought the Driver was going to have to let her rock back to get the cranks in the right position to start her, but he managed beautifully and controlled the slips with what appears to be little of no sand. Great piece of footage.
Why "rock back"?. When the rods on one side are in the wrong position, those on the other side are in the best position. That's why they are 90 degrees apart.
@@IndependentBear You're correct in saying that the rods are set at 90* angles, but when you view the video there is a point where the cranks reach a position which doesn't allow full pressure to be exerted on either piston.. 1 side being at the point of cut off and the other at the point of opening to lead. Thus.. if you let the engine rock back to a position where at least 1 side is at bottom or top quarter, the engine is able to have full power applied to that side.
The "rock back" is to compress the slack in the couplers. That minor amount of give allows the engine to start under load. Even a modern diesel uses that advantage when required.
@@waynehall6273 I have had to start on heavy grades a number of times on our steam Locomotives and it's always been because of crank position. Our heritage rollingstock is Drawhook and buffers. I have seen a mate lift his train on a steep grade out of Cloncurry Qld by compressing the draw gear (all auto couplers) and as the brakes released using the drawgear to help get the train started.
I believe this engine pulled the train I rode from Moberly, MO to Paris, MO in the mid 1980s on an excursion run. Got to go into the can at Paris. Great memory! Thank you for sharing!
In 1993 I had the pleasure of riding this beauty from Jacksonville, FL to Fargo, Ga and back. Now at nearly 40 I can say it was definitely one of the highlights of my life.
That just shows the tremendous power that machine has. It can "smoke the tires" without even trying. As a matter of fact, it takes real skill and delicate handling of the controls to be able to get that thing rolling without just sitting there spinning the wheels.
When the locomotive starts moving at the end, we get to see some other folk enjoying the spectacle...including some adults standing on the adjacent tracks, with some kids a little further back. The adults "yeah it's fine to stand here, absolutely fine. Just keep looking left and right" whilst the kids "are you completely stupid? You never stand on the tracks mom, c'mon, everyone knows that". Never stand on train tracks // railroad tracks. Unless you are a train.
@@suntrifermakes2765 To correct YOU, I was not just referring to the locomotive, but the design of the train and associated cars here and of this era... hence "TRAINS".
during my 25 yr career on Southern and then NS railway I got to work around this beast several times and spent one night on watch duty helping keep the boiler stoked when it was laying over at Hayne Yard in Spartanburg, SC. it is a fascinating piece of engineering work. very powerful, sleek and beautiful.
I got to ride on an excursion behind 611 many years ago. They dropped all of us rail-fans in a field and set up a temporary safety line then backed the train completely out of sight. We heard the whistle blow and the train came by at speed for a photo op. Very impressive from such a close point of view.
What a beauty of a locomotive! I'm not entirely sure, but I think the wheel slip was on purpose, just by adding a little bit more steam, the awesome power of this machine could be seen and also impress the people around who were admiring the train at the same time...
When I was a young boy I lived near the Pennsylvania railroad in the 1940s. I heard wheel slips everyday. Actually I never knew the name for that until I saw this video. It always accompanied a train starting to move. Typically they were more pronounced and longer lived than in this video where they seem to have been controlled in extreme.
From India Travelling in those trains gave us a lot of excitement and joy. In those days people would cry when their loved ones left for a far away place because there was so much poverty and lack of trains.
Being an engineer, I like this Class J locomotive very much, simple, streamlined (adding to its beauty) & last but not least is without any clutter like UP's Big Boy.
Otaku hunter - I respectfully disagree. Most modern industrial design displays a largely 'function before form' mindset. The example we see here in this steam locomotive, contains a modicum of ornamentation that while not necessary to the engines functional performance, is only present to enhance the form. Modern design doesn't seem to 'bother' with this notion.
Otaku hunter - I believe the big stylistic differences are due to natural evolution in the tastes of the designers, engineers and draftsmen...that change over time, as well as the technological changes in both what is being designed (steam vs diesel-electric...etc) AND how it is being designed. Pencil and paper at a drafting table vs computer. I’m certainly more of a fan of ‘design’ than an authority on it. I could be completely off base.
@@deaterk absolutely. Raymond Lowey (I think that was his name) I believe was a design artist not an engineer. Everything was designed with style in mind
Mesmerizing watching 611 start to pull away from a dead stop. Wheel slippage? I have no idea how you prevent it, but engineers did. Experience, I'm sure. Seems like something you cannot train very well; something you learn; a skill you develop by touch and experience. Impressive.
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My father-in-law explained that when steam locomotives started they backed up to take all the slack out of the couplers. Then when the locomotive started moving, it only had to pull the tender, then taking the slack out - the first car, then the second, etc. That way they would start without slipping. Also, he noted that when diesel-electric locomotives first came on the scene, engineers would do the same, and would pull the draw bars out of the cars.
Seems that many are missing the point...yes sanding will help reduce wheel spin but then what fun would that video be? Engineer is giving folks a little show, what this machine can do. Also, anyone that really appreciates the magnificence of it wouldn't skip to the part with spin. The sounds and visual of the process to getting one of these beautiful beasts going it the spectical...you don't just flick a switch and go. It takes a hell a long time and a lot of work to get one ready to roll. That's what makes it so magnificent. Great video!
I saw a steam video recently and the locomotive had the same problem. Whoever built the engine only added sanders going backwards so the engineer had to go backward to coat the track with sand and were able to make the grade.
This beautiful locomotive reminds me of my childhood days. The Indian railways WP class used to look somewhat like this, though I have to say, this one looks classier ..
Yea brother, for the train travel that is. Even with all our modern technological advancements we have made. A nuclear power plant still uses The power of steam to produce the electricity. The power it takes to wheel slip six, six foot in diameter cast iron wheels while carrying that mass while pulling the world behind it. Is as much, if not more humbling for me, for that period of time in history. As standing next to a three stage 48 foot, diameter turbine, spinning at 800 to1,000 rpm. Powered by an 850MW nuclear reactor, representing "our modern" steam technology. Just the thought of tubing that boiler. And making that steam drum without modern welding capabilities. let alone the casting and milling to exacting specifications all that running gear. And the assembly. Is a testament to the innovation and resolve of our forefathers. And still breathing Fire today! Out living all who built her. Awesome! Thanks dubch87 for the post.
Make no mistake about it, the 611 doesn’t need the help of those diesels. I’m not sure why they are there on this particular trip. Sometimes its because of insurance, or a railroad executive rules it so, or because the passenger cars require electric power and the steam engine can’t provide it. But the 611 has no problem with powering passenger trains. I’ve seen the 611 carry huge passenger trains with no diesel. I’ve Ridden some of them, too. Could be that they needed helper service on the Loops at Old Fort, a few miles out of town. That’s a place where the Southern Railway scrunched a rising 2.2% grade of 13 miles of track into about 3 miles of leisurely crow-flying. It’s a challenge for any engine, but the 611 handled it without any problems. But those are special diesels. The F unit is reconditioned and painted in its original Southern livery. The modern unit is a “heritage” unit, painted to resemble the other unit in honor of the fallen flag of the Southern, the home road on which the N&W 611 is currently traveling in this video. It’s all Norfolk Southern now, anyway.
Diesel is probably there to enable train protection. Steam operation was regulated by timetable and tokens. Separate generator cars exist to power passenger cars, but they lack automated emergency braking.
Nothing like a steam locomotive, you wont hear no diesel or electric make the sounds that these do. You actually feel the power... To people that are diesel freaks, no these dont have turbo's. I'm glad to see some are still going. Got to ride on a steam engine amd get in the cab when I was younger, best time ever had. Hear I am not droving semi's imstead of trains like i wanted to growing up.
I still remember traveling on a regular regional train pulled by a steam loco in 1968 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. In the early 70s, we still had a few steam locos doing yard work and occasional passenger runs, especially at peak hours. I always loved when the wheels slipped and the platform got fogged with steam.
Love to hear that whistle blow, such a melodious note, better than the tweets. Great piece of vlog, thanks for sharing. No wonder the spinning, what with all that extra weight behind.
Norfolk & Western 611 makes its home in Roanoke Virginia, with regular visits to North Carolina and special runs to other destinations. This year it made its way North to Paradise Pennsylvania to visit Strasburg, and their Norfolk & Western 475.
It's easy to abuse the engine-just to be showy. . .mis-adjust the valve gear and open the throttle too much. The engine can spin the drivers (and damage both drivers and rails) and yet not move one foot forward. Some people like to see that. There's a video showing a new guy trying to move an engine a short distance into a shed, and he kept spinning the drivers. A qualified engineer had to get him out of trouble. Damn shame, and a poor reflection on the way to teach newer guys. Mistakes are costly. What happens when inexperience lets them forget the water-glass? Exposed crown sheet, fractured firebox refractory liner, un-recoverable overtemp, stay-bolt failure, high risk of boiler failure, and worst case, a boiler explosion. We can do better than that.
@@vish3161 In this case, the wheel spins seem to be done for show, not of necessity or inability. These J4's could start a 26-car passenger train without difficulty, simply walk it right on. .they were built for that. Now, the over-firing and driver-spinning is all put on for pleasing the crowd.
@@jsunit5354 Certainly, Wheel slips. I have seen the steam locos in my school days (late 80s/early90s). Steam loco does not have Gear system like car/bus. Huge torque is required at low speed to move the loco wheels from standstill position (like we put the car in 1st gear to move). High pressure steam is admitted inside the cylinders for entire stroke length which pulls the wheels with enormous force to break the moment of inertia (standstill position). Therefore, Wheels tend to slip due to very large pull by the Cylider/piston Rod momenterily before getting grip with Rail. Sand pipes fitted in front of driving wheels, spray sands to get frictional grip with rail. I hope you understand.
@ Mr. GlennFHoward,. One does not have to imagine The steam loco developed by PACIFIC with highest power is 12, 000 Horse Power. That power can be achieved by buring maximum coal. Loco doesn't always work on with its highest power. Loco driver burns coal accoding to requirement of number of coaches/load attached to the engine. TorqueXSpeed = Power. During start up torque will be high, speed will be low. At crusing, torque will be less, speed will be less. But, power remains same.
On January 8, 2023 Norfolk & Western #611 was parked in Ronks,Pa at the Strasburg Railroad Station. Don’t know how she ended up at Strasburg RR or any other circumstances about her but i took pictures of her beautiful elegance!
Yes, they were amazing machines. They also needed experienced crews. This fireman over-fired, trying to top-up, and probably fouled the flues, not to mention the people in the area. The pop-off showed he had enough without over-firing. A dirty stack at a station would have, for decades, been un-professional. Now, they just seem to play to the crowd - folks want to see some smoke. Any old-timers might also ask, where was the valve lever . .it may not have been fully forward. There are too many videos showing wheel-slip with that engine. (Back to the grinders.) That is a magnificent engine, worthy of very extra special care. Half of the six people in the cab should know that. We put these awesome engines through painstaking restoration so that they may last for future generations. We should run them that way.
I've noted in videos of 611 that it often slips on encountering switch frogs. Makes me wonder if there is something to them that it doesn't like. It did it in front of me at Strasburg when coming up to the water tower at Ronks. And yeah. Fireman had a bucket full of smoke (powdered coal) waiting to be thrown in for the cameras at departure, but with the safety already lifted the fire probably didn't need it yet unless it had been allowed to burn thin while waiting.
You know, I worked there, but lets look at the amazing technology of today's locomotives. It's okay if you love them, just don't miss out of the amazing locomotives they have today.
Watching this video was a totally awesome experience. I don't remember because I was too young to know but, the sound of that train horn is forever in my memory. Traveling back to Oklahoma as a young child at night, I have many fond memories of hearing and watching those giant machines moving down the line. Thanks for sharing this video.
That is one handsome looking steam locomotive! Just getting to know the USA locos from here in Manchester UK. The more I see the more I want to come and see them for real.
Its a different mentality behind their construction. British locomotives were smaller, but could accelerate faster and sustain higher speeds. American locomotives are huge, but a little slower. 611 is a rare exception- an express passenger locomotive that could keep pace with Mallard right up to the very top of their throttles. Rated for 100 MPH operation.
My father and I went to the Smithsonian in DC and they had one of these locomotives there. He knew every part and function. He used to work on them. This video took me back.
@Dr Moriarty Rocket was just the Stephensons. Trevithick built a few locomotives, but they were pretty experimental and looked somewhat quirky to say the least. Rocket was one of the first commercially viable main line locomotives, and it did look pretty awesome, although I think Stephenson's Planet class locos looked a lot nicer.
The reason 611 slips like this so much is because it has a lower factor of adhesion. That means the weight over the drivers is lighter than it should be. The locomotive is naturally slippery, just a consequence of some of the design choices. The N&W A Class locomotives had the same design flaw. Typically, a good factor of adhesion (weight on drivers divided by tractive effort) is 4 or better. Lower usually becomes slippery and requires a skilled hand on the throttle. I believe 611’s factor of adhesion is 3.78.
Its possible to spin fire off the drivers, and you can find videos of locomotives both steam and diesel doing so when a wheel slip isn't checked at once. 611's crew did a good job here keeping the slips to a minimum, the engine doesn't seem to like switch points and is often seen getting wheelslip when encountering them. I had it do it right in front of me at Strasburg when it was coming up to the water tower in Ronks for a drink.
The wheel slip is in my opinion one of the best parts about trains. Because it shows you the power of the engine in a brief second . Also probably because of the polar express frozen ice scene.
Yeees!!!
611 does it a lot too. I've noticed this engine doesn't like switches, and will predictably slip on encountering a switch at low speeds. Here they had parked on top of one, and had to bunch up slack and take a rolling start at it.
But it also wears the tyres out.
@@hehe-IgoBRRRR at first I was like "yeah, tf is this dude trolling?" But then I remembered some locomotives have steel bands around the wheels called tires.
Train enthusiasts equivalent of a burnout!
Rode about 45 miles behind 611 around 1985. Looked her over for about an hour as she took on coal and water while the crew had lunch. What a magnificent machine! Both the beauty AND the beast.
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The reason for the wheel slip is because my mother in law was on this excursion. back in the 90s, it took both 611 and 1218 to move her.
This made me laugh harder than I have in a while.
har-dee-har-har. about as funny as a busted rubber in a 16 yr old girl at the height of her ovulation cycle. quick marriage to follow.
harry brownneigh you sound like chris hansen, dateline nbc, predators. no i don't want the damn teeth busting brownies or the ugly girl.
@Commentor1 that's what put my in a early marriage at age 19. a loaf in the oven now 45. marriage didn't last either.
Interesting reply, because 611 reminds me a helluva lot of my Mother in Law: Weighs over 300 tonnes, has enough power to pull down a house and is loud enough that you can hear her from across town if she's going uphill.
Wow these old steam locomotives are truly amazing, they seem almost alive, like huge living and breathing monsters. I can only imagine what an event traveling by train must have been in the old days
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I love the sound of a steam loco getting up to speed. The initial puffs of steam bursting through, and each beat and pulse of the engine getting quicker and closer together. Just really adds a sense of occasion I think.
Locomotives are one of the few things in life that get better with age.
Cars too
(Of course when are in good conditions)
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These machines were amazingly engineered, designed and then built by a small army of craftmen that took great pride in what they produced.
@Bill Williams ,
Dr. Demming said the root cause was the preoccupation of USA upper management with quarterly profits and that same management believing that an outlook of 2 years was long range planning.
Not to mention diesels were WAY cheaper to run and maintain. More so to maintain and less so to run.
They are truly amazing and it is great that so many organizations are restoring and maintaining these machines for future generations to see. Now that the BigBoy is out in the public more people are being introduced to trains and steam in particular and I can only hope that equates to more interest in train travel, train logistics and even model trains.
@@sydspoak6754 Yeah Steam was the technology of the time and what they did to maximize these machines was awesome. But yes, the newer locomotives provides more durability, easier on resources and the cost to maintain is significantly less. Heck, there are diesel locomotives still in revenue operation that were built 50's and early 60's...granted they likely had mods since the original build but they are still around working hard.
@Bill Williams Let's for one second give the other side of the argument the benefit of the doubt. I am though also for quality over quantity. But isn't the fact that these kind of machines are so incredibly well built, a sign of over-panning? And that they did not take into account that new technology would make things more efficient and outproduce over-planned craftmanship?
In spite of this, i also like well-built and quality industrial solutions, because over time, it makes the best use of limited resources, and also gives people psychological boost and safety. It lifts the community when you know that someone gave a damn when they did something, and it makes you want to learn more about it. You don't exactly feel like learning about "made in China" crap.
The engineer actually did a very good job controlling the wheel spin.
That engine was the forerunner of "wheelies".
@@davidkamen I think you mean "burnouts". It is physically impossible for this train to do a "wheelie"
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@@TBonerton It’s neither. It’s wheel slip.
I _adore_ the wheel slip. You think steam engines, you think torque, but we tend to forget sometimes that these are also precision machines, the absolute peak of the tech of their day, and they have more than _just_ tremendous brute force.
They have _insane_ power, and yet the ability to apply that power _just so._
It’s amazing how we created magnificent machines like this with only steel and steam
Steam machines have so much soul
Well, you say "we" but let's be honest you and I contributed very little to the overall effort.
@@chaosnexxus9255 thats fair
You didn’t create shit.
@@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975 dude, its an expression. go take an english class
I remember when I was young my house was close to the railroad. And once in awhile this train would come through when we heard it we all would run to the tracks to see it. This one and the older steam engine was really a site to see love the whistle on these
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They are like tame dragons - sensational. The whistle is more like a big ship's foghorn. You would hear that for miles. One of the most beautiful steam locos of all time.
Tame dragon… now that’s a lovely analogy.
Why not a 'Flaming Dragon' or did Tom Cruise and Ben Stiller ruin that for everyone. 😂
When I was visiting my grandmother's house in a small village, at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, I would hear the steam train going past the station. Some times they would toot the whistle at the crossings, I would wake up then drop back to sleep. It is a wonderful sound to hear especially at night. Toot & Carry on
Listening to the distant sounds of an old steamer pulling the mountain pass a few miles away from my childhood home is a memory I'll hold onto as well.
Wake up just enough to recognize what the racket was all about and drift right back to sleep. Years later, after that line was closed down, a few of us would saddle up and spend a weekend 'hiking the rails'. Good times all 'round.
The locomotive looks so muscular and athletic, I mean it just wants to go. A good amount of streamlining without going over the top, 10/10
I am amazed at the size of these locomotives. I know there are bigger locomotives, but that thing is MASSIVE! and the power they release is awesome!
Love it, because that's just tougher than woodpecker lips: the wheels spin on occasion when starting out and it's slow deep chug! I could listen to that all day.
That is because a steam engine has 100% torque at zero miles per hour.
Same with diesel electric
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And an efficiency of 1% tops
So that's why they need to start up slowing, and build up speed slowly by gaining a little speed.
@@kurttug Um ... not. It´s about 7 - 10%. BUT you should take into consideration that this technology is not developed from 30´s or so ... So with modern technology of controlled burning ... and not burning coal but natural gas maybe ... who knows.
What a magnificent locomotive. Thank goodness there are groups of volunteers who are working hard to keep these engines in good working order around the world. Thank you for sharing this video.
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We road behind the J611 on its inaugural run. It was GREAT! The engine real "talks" as it charges up the hills. We were in the lounge car (extra fare) with "continuous light refreshment and beverage service". As my five year old son remarked: "This is the way to travel". Good to see it is still running and allowing people to experience steam in action.
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Almost brings tears to my eyes seeing these beautiful beasts. My dad (R.I.P) worked and retired from Southern Pacific (38) years and we lived three house down fron the railroad tracks. Remember them very well in the 1950's.
Aww
A home by the railway track has been my childhood dream and now on my bucket list ..
My Grandfather and Uncle both were engineers on Ft. Worth and Denver Railroads. Grandfather and family lived in railroad center of Sterley Texas just north of Lockney Texas. Grand parents and six kids lived in the back of a long narrow [shotgun] house and women cooked for rail workers who ate there. Grandfather's daily run just like UPS [was from Shamrock to Silverton Tx, to Sterley, Lockney, Hart and Dimmit Tx. It was the old west [literally] the area where indians, robbers, cowmen and marshals existed. My Uncle was drafted for WWII - no boot camp for him - just direct to England where he managed war freight through Sherwood forrest and prowling German aircraft. I've managed to buy a long spout oil can and coal [kerosene] can both marked Fanta Fe Rwy ! Prized possessions being saved for my grandson [nicknamed "Train Man']. Thanks for the great video - the engineer is an artist at minimising wheel spin.
Wow
Oh mate that's really fantastic WHAT A MEMORY lots of love from the U.K.
60% of viewers and comments: 611 is beautiful especially with that wheel slip!
The other 40%: Yo this is cool....Wait hold up why am I here?
A very appropriate thing to say in this case.
Вы там, у себя, аккуратнее, проверяйте пути, мы за вас переживаем! Мастерам, которые восстановили и запустили такой прекрасный паровоз, большое спасибо! Их труд важен в масштабе нашей цивилизации!
Our? You mean American? Are you sure you're not a communist? 🤣👍
Incredible machines. A few years back, my wife and I had the pleasure of riding behind the NKP 765. No matter how many times I see one, I stand in awe at the engineering and craftsmanship of these beautiful machines.
It must be a relief blowing off steam
a lot more than that! ugh.
It’s relaxing to let that pressure out.
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@@zenokarlsbach4292 Right, coal or oil.
Watch out here comes the climate change prophet.
I love seeing steam engine wheelslip for some reason! 🚂
yes here in germany we call it "schuhe putzen"
Very true, and here in India we call it talakei sugamilla
Here, in Czech Republic we call it "Protočení kol" or "kurva rozjeď se už" and i think that's beautiful. (translate it)
19th century burnout
And here in sodelen, we call it deke der deper
Beautiful machines built with pencil, paper, slide rules and imagination….my grandfather was an engineer for the B&O. I’ve got all kinds of memories and railroad stuff. Got to ride in a couple steam and diesels.
The saying "They dont build them like they used to." Is a very true statement
Why? Wheel slip is usual when you put down too much power
Yeah, now they build other things, differently
That's why we cherish them with all our heart while we still can
I'm sure the engineers who built the train would have a very different view to that if they could see modern trains and planes...
@@dagmitchell7580 morning
I've seen 611 pass through the Cambria crossing in Christiansburg VA a number of times, going back several decades. The most memorable was early one autumn morning (a "leaf excursion") with a definite chill in the air. The entire locomotive was absolutely wreathed in a cloud of steam as she headed west! How I wish I'd had a camera with me that day! (Years before they invented cell phones with cameras, sadly.) But the memory will stay with me forever! 🥰
Once I flipped a vinyl LP record of a recording of the last trip of a steam engine between Minneapolis and Chicago, I believe the trip was in 1965. According to the album cover, it turned out that it would be about 2am when the train would pass right by the home of the CEO who made the decision to mothball the engine. So of course when it got to that spot at that time, the engineer saw fit to let out a series of good long blasts of the horn, just for extra safety of course.
watching these brings back many fond memories of the 40's and 50's
Such an awesome bit of kit. I wish I could experience something like this. There are some fantastic old steam engines coming through where I live in England this year and I cannot wait. I completely agree about recording everything you can. Especially when it comes to the railway. Thanks mate
What an awesome sight. It appears 611 lifted the train without any assistance from the 2 Diesels attached.. at one point I thought the Driver was going to have to let her rock back to get the cranks in the right position to start her, but he managed beautifully and controlled the slips with what appears to be little of no sand. Great piece of footage.
Why "rock back"?. When the rods on one side are in the wrong position, those on the other side are in the best position. That's why they are 90 degrees apart.
@@IndependentBear You're correct in saying that the rods are set at 90* angles, but when you view the video there is a point where the cranks reach a position which doesn't allow full pressure to be exerted on either piston.. 1 side being at the point of cut off and the other at the point of opening to lead. Thus.. if you let the engine rock back to a position where at least 1 side is at bottom or top quarter, the engine is able to have full power applied to that side.
The "rock back" is to compress the slack in the couplers. That minor amount of give allows the engine to start under load. Even a modern diesel uses that advantage when required.
@@waynehall6273 I have had to start on heavy grades a number of times on our steam Locomotives and it's always been because of crank position. Our heritage rollingstock is Drawhook and buffers. I have seen a mate lift his train on a steep grade out of Cloncurry Qld by compressing the draw gear (all auto couplers) and as the brakes released using the drawgear to help get the train started.
Great piece of driving.
Steamers all over the world are so great, nice to see people hold a few alive.
I believe this engine pulled the train I rode from Moberly, MO to Paris, MO in the mid 1980s on an excursion run. Got to go into the can at Paris. Great memory! Thank you for sharing!
In 1993 I had the pleasure of riding this beauty from Jacksonville, FL to Fargo, Ga and back. Now at nearly 40 I can say it was definitely one of the highlights of my life.
What a majestic beauty. A true sign of the true innovators on good old days.
It looks so brawny. All the parts are absolutely massive in their proportions.
Omg yes! It’s like Bo Jackson on steroids 😂
That just shows the tremendous power that machine has. It can "smoke the tires" without even trying. As a matter of fact, it takes real skill and delicate handling of the controls to be able to get that thing rolling without just sitting there spinning the wheels.
When the locomotive starts moving at the end, we get to see some other folk enjoying the spectacle...including some adults standing on the adjacent tracks, with some kids a little further back.
The adults "yeah it's fine to stand here, absolutely fine. Just keep looking left and right" whilst the kids "are you completely stupid? You never stand on the tracks mom, c'mon, everyone knows that".
Never stand on train tracks // railroad tracks. Unless you are a train.
Cats
Or if your a penny
Do not stand on the tracks. Tracks are for trains. If you can read this, you are not a train.
THAT is what a train should look like. Today's trains are boring.
Tuna on White, No Crusts true. They don’t have a sleek design, there all blocky and boring.
Yes. That thing looks really badass!
To Correct You This Are Locomotives, Trains Are Those Locomotives With Frieght Cars/Passenger Cars And Locomotive Now A Days Are Diesel Or Electric
And To Add A Bit... That Locomotive Is An Steam Loco
@@suntrifermakes2765 To correct YOU, I was not just referring to the locomotive, but the design of the train and associated cars here and of this era... hence "TRAINS".
during my 25 yr career on Southern and then NS railway I got to work around this beast several times and spent one night on watch duty helping keep the boiler stoked when it was laying over at Hayne Yard in Spartanburg, SC. it is a fascinating piece of engineering work. very powerful, sleek and beautiful.
Wow - what a great story.
What a beauty, so nimble speeding along the track. Harmonious engineering, proudly showing American spirit.
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This reminds me of that feeling you get when you try to run in a dream.
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I got to ride on an excursion behind 611 many years ago. They dropped all of us rail-fans in a field and set up a temporary safety line then backed the train completely out of sight. We heard the whistle blow and the train came by at speed for a photo op. Very impressive from such a close point of view.
3:24 You’re Welcome
What a beautiful piece of engineering art.
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What a beauty of a locomotive! I'm not entirely sure, but I think the wheel slip was on purpose, just by adding a little bit more steam, the awesome power of this machine could be seen and also impress the people around who were admiring the train at the same time...
When I was a young boy I lived near the Pennsylvania railroad in the 1940s. I heard wheel slips everyday. Actually I never knew the name for that until I saw this video. It always accompanied a train starting to move. Typically they were more pronounced and longer lived than in this video where they seem to have been controlled in extreme.
From India
Travelling in those trains gave us a lot of excitement and joy.
In those days people would cry when their loved ones left for a far away place because there was so much poverty and lack of trains.
Being an engineer, I like this Class J locomotive very much, simple, streamlined (adding to its beauty) & last but not least is without any clutter like UP's Big Boy.
Are you a smart engineer that designs things? Or a RR engineer.
"N & W 611 has trouble getting taction..."
Translation: HOW MUCH TORQUE DOES THIS MONSTER HAVE TO SPIN A 6' IRON WHEEL WITH THAT MUCH EASE?!!!
A lot.
all of it
“A” 6’ iron wheel?
Mate it’s got eight
Wikipedia says she has a max output of 5300 hp.
Over 70,000 foot pounds.
when designing trains was an art...
As were planes, ships, and automobiles
Otaku hunter - I respectfully disagree. Most modern industrial design displays a largely 'function before form' mindset. The example we see here in this steam locomotive, contains a modicum of ornamentation that while not necessary to the engines functional performance, is only present to enhance the form. Modern design doesn't seem to 'bother' with this notion.
Otaku hunter - I believe the big stylistic differences are due to natural evolution in the tastes of the designers, engineers and draftsmen...that change over time, as well as the technological changes in both what is being designed (steam vs diesel-electric...etc) AND how it is being designed. Pencil and paper at a drafting table vs computer. I’m certainly more of a fan of ‘design’ than an authority on it. I could be completely off base.
when designing anything was an art.
nowdays everything is sterile, boring and the same.
@@deaterk absolutely. Raymond Lowey (I think that was his name) I believe was a design artist not an engineer. Everything was designed with style in mind
Mesmerizing watching 611 start to pull away from a dead stop. Wheel slippage? I have no idea how you prevent it, but engineers did. Experience, I'm sure. Seems like something you cannot train very well; something you learn; a skill you develop by touch and experience. Impressive.
I actually saw 611 speed through Marion NC, our hometown and little me was SO EXCITED! I'm 20 now.
Such an awesome sound!!! The power though to slip those wheels is amazing!!!
In the 50's I lived 2 Blocks from the track , When one of the Giants went by I could feel the ground shake even from 2 blocks away !!
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So much power in those beasts!
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@@Smoke_Weed_Everyday_ old as dirt!!! been around since the jupiter was running.........
My father-in-law explained that when steam locomotives started they backed up to take all the slack out of the couplers. Then when the locomotive started moving, it only had to pull the tender, then taking the slack out - the first car, then the second, etc. That way they would start without slipping. Also, he noted that when diesel-electric locomotives first came on the scene, engineers would do the same, and would pull the draw bars out of the cars.
Seems that many are missing the point...yes sanding will help reduce wheel spin but then what fun would that video be? Engineer is giving folks a little show, what this machine can do. Also, anyone that really appreciates the magnificence of it wouldn't skip to the part with spin. The sounds and visual of the process to getting one of these beautiful beasts going it the spectical...you don't just flick a switch and go. It takes a hell a long time and a lot of work to get one ready to roll. That's what makes it so magnificent. Great video!
Those are hundreds of tons pressing those wheels down and they're still slipping. Unbelievable...
I love these sort of locos, streamlined and beautiful. I would love to drive one.
I saw a steam video recently and the locomotive had the same problem. Whoever built the engine only added sanders going backwards so the engineer had to go backward to coat the track with sand and were able to make the grade.
This beautiful locomotive reminds me of my childhood days. The Indian railways WP class used to look somewhat like this, though I have to say, this one looks classier ..
Absolute poetry in motion even with wheel slippage. The height of modern steam technology.
Yea brother, for the train travel that is. Even with all our modern technological advancements we have made. A nuclear power plant still uses The power of steam to produce the electricity.
The power it takes to wheel slip six, six foot in diameter cast iron wheels while carrying that mass while pulling the world behind it. Is as much, if not more humbling for me, for that period of time in history. As standing next to a three stage 48 foot, diameter turbine, spinning at 800 to1,000 rpm. Powered by an 850MW nuclear reactor, representing "our modern" steam technology.
Just the thought of tubing that boiler. And making that steam drum without modern welding capabilities. let alone the casting and milling to exacting specifications all that running gear.
And the assembly. Is a testament to the innovation and resolve of our forefathers.
And still breathing Fire today! Out living all who built her. Awesome!
Thanks dubch87 for the post.
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Very good control from the crew to stop the slip almost immediately
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What a monster loco, nice to see you guys over the pond love your steam as much as us Brits.
Make no mistake about it, the 611 doesn’t need the help of those diesels. I’m not sure why they are there on this particular trip. Sometimes its because of insurance, or a railroad executive rules it so, or because the passenger cars require electric power and the steam engine can’t provide it. But the 611 has no problem with powering passenger trains. I’ve seen the 611 carry huge passenger trains with no diesel. I’ve Ridden some of them, too. Could be that they needed helper service on the Loops at Old Fort, a few miles out of town. That’s a place where the Southern Railway scrunched a rising 2.2% grade of 13 miles of track into about 3 miles of leisurely crow-flying. It’s a challenge for any engine, but the 611 handled it without any problems. But those are special diesels. The F unit is reconditioned and painted in its original Southern livery. The modern unit is a “heritage” unit, painted to resemble the other unit in honor of the fallen flag of the Southern, the home road on which the N&W 611 is currently traveling in this video. It’s all Norfolk Southern now, anyway.
Diesel is probably there to enable train protection. Steam operation was regulated by timetable and tokens. Separate generator cars exist to power passenger cars, but they lack automated emergency braking.
Nothing like a steam locomotive, you wont hear no diesel or electric make the sounds that these do. You actually feel the power... To people that are diesel freaks, no these dont have turbo's. I'm glad to see some are still going. Got to ride on a steam engine amd get in the cab when I was younger, best time ever had. Hear I am not droving semi's imstead of trains like i wanted to growing up.
I still remember traveling on a regular regional train pulled by a steam loco in 1968 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. In the early 70s, we still had a few steam locos doing yard work and occasional passenger runs, especially at peak hours. I always loved when the wheels slipped and the platform got fogged with steam.
Love to hear that whistle blow, such a melodious note, better than the tweets. Great piece of vlog, thanks for sharing. No wonder the spinning, what with all that extra weight behind.
So there are still some engines from the era of "streamlined steam" in service. Indeed, they were uniquely beautiful.
Norfolk & Western 611 makes its home in Roanoke Virginia, with regular visits to North Carolina and special runs to other destinations. This year it made its way North to Paradise Pennsylvania to visit Strasburg, and their Norfolk & Western 475.
@@renegadeoflife87 And it’s doing it Again!
@@spiralhillrailfan3768 When they fix it. The mechanical stoker broke, and I wouldn't want to feed the 611's appetite using only a shovel.
This is class J, built by Norfolk & Western in Roanoke.
Wow imagine the torque required to do that and to do it so easily!!!! Wow!!!
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Can anyone imagine the power it takes to spin those wheels? GlennFHoward
Steamers had loads of torque .. most of the time they couldn't lay all of it it in the track and so these spectacular wheel spins ..
It's easy to abuse the engine-just to be showy. . .mis-adjust the valve gear and open the throttle too much. The engine can spin the drivers (and damage both drivers and rails) and yet not move one foot forward. Some people like to see that. There's a video showing a new guy trying to move an engine a short distance into a shed, and he kept spinning the drivers. A qualified engineer had to get him out of trouble. Damn shame, and a poor reflection on the way to teach newer guys. Mistakes are costly. What happens when inexperience lets them forget the water-glass? Exposed crown sheet, fractured firebox refractory liner, un-recoverable overtemp, stay-bolt failure, high risk of boiler failure, and worst case, a boiler explosion.
We can do better than that.
@@vish3161 In this case, the wheel spins seem to be done for show, not of necessity or inability. These J4's could start a 26-car passenger train without difficulty, simply walk it right on. .they were built for that. Now, the over-firing and driver-spinning is all put on for pleasing the crowd.
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Certainly, Wheel slips. I have seen the steam locos in my school days (late 80s/early90s). Steam loco does not have Gear system like car/bus. Huge torque is required at low speed to move the loco wheels from standstill position (like we put the car in 1st gear to move).
High pressure steam is admitted inside the cylinders for entire stroke length which pulls the wheels with enormous force to break the moment of inertia (standstill position). Therefore, Wheels tend to slip due to very large pull by the Cylider/piston Rod momenterily before getting grip with Rail. Sand pipes fitted in front of driving wheels, spray sands to get frictional grip with rail.
I hope you understand.
@ Mr. GlennFHoward,.
One does not have to imagine
The steam loco developed by PACIFIC with highest power is 12, 000 Horse Power. That power can be achieved by buring maximum coal. Loco doesn't always work on with its highest power. Loco driver burns coal accoding to requirement of number of coaches/load attached to the engine.
TorqueXSpeed = Power.
During start up torque will be high, speed will be low. At crusing, torque will be less, speed will be less. But, power remains same.
How can something look so old yet so futuristic at the same time? It has a slick appearance you don’t see on most old steam locomotives.
It was streamlined so that it could go at higher speeds.
On January 8, 2023 Norfolk & Western #611 was parked in Ronks,Pa at the Strasburg Railroad Station. Don’t know how she ended up at Strasburg RR or any other circumstances about her but i took pictures of her beautiful elegance!
i just love that locomotive’s horn, it sounds so satisfying
Wolfie 577 steam locomotives don’t have horns, they have whistle.
@@meepmeep1909 Some have a whistle AND a horn.
In particular, the Pennsylvania Railroad's S-1 has a single air horn visible in some photos, and the last class of Chinese 2-10-2s had air horns.
So does SP4449
*whistle*
Yes, they were amazing machines. They also needed experienced crews. This fireman over-fired, trying to top-up, and probably fouled the flues, not to mention the people in the area. The pop-off showed he had enough without over-firing. A dirty stack at a station would have, for decades, been un-professional. Now, they just seem to play to the crowd - folks want to see some smoke.
Any old-timers might also ask, where was the valve lever . .it may not have been fully forward. There are too many videos showing wheel-slip with that engine. (Back to the grinders.)
That is a magnificent engine, worthy of very extra special care. Half of the six people in the cab should know that.
We put these awesome engines through painstaking restoration so that they may last for future generations. We should run them that way.
I've noted in videos of 611 that it often slips on encountering switch frogs. Makes me wonder if there is something to them that it doesn't like. It did it in front of me at Strasburg when coming up to the water tower at Ronks.
And yeah. Fireman had a bucket full of smoke (powdered coal) waiting to be thrown in for the cameras at departure, but with the safety already lifted the fire probably didn't need it yet unless it had been allowed to burn thin while waiting.
I was wondering about that. You sound like you know a thing or two about operating steam locomotives. Thank you for the analysis.
You know, I worked there, but lets look at the amazing technology of today's locomotives. It's okay if you love them, just don't miss out of the amazing locomotives they have today.
Today's locomotives are better in every way , but we all know who puts on the best show.
To much pollution
Watching this video was a totally awesome experience. I don't remember because I was too young to know but, the sound of that train horn is forever in my memory. Traveling back to Oklahoma as a young child at night, I have many fond memories of hearing and watching those giant machines moving down the line.
Thanks for sharing this video.
Blowing off steam I think it is inspiring to apply this to our lives. Thanks for the video.
For some reason Steam Train Wheel Slips are pretty Satisfying
All that weight and can still do a burn out, a beautiful piece of history, imagine what it took to build thi engine.. thanks for sharing.
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Absolute amazing work
if I didn't fall asleep
I regularly watch this
Great sight. Thanks to the staff who made it possible.
I took my grandson to see this..amazing!
It is truly amazing, very impressive engineering.
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That is one handsome looking steam locomotive! Just getting to know the USA locos from here in Manchester UK. The more I see the more I want to come and see them for real.
Its a different mentality behind their construction. British locomotives were smaller, but could accelerate faster and sustain higher speeds. American locomotives are huge, but a little slower. 611 is a rare exception- an express passenger locomotive that could keep pace with Mallard right up to the very top of their throttles. Rated for 100 MPH operation.
Is that standard or broad gauge?
@@alan_mythicalgnome Standard gauge, 4 foot 8 1/2 inches. Same as British railways are.
@@renegadeoflife87 Thanks. That gives me a perspective on the size of the locomotive.
My father and I went to the Smithsonian in DC and they had one of these locomotives there. He knew every part and function. He used to work on them. This video took me back.
If your referring to a J class, it was either a model or a remake, as all originals (except 611) were scrapped
What a beautiful machine!
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3:40 really jumpscare me, I know it weird.
The older the train the better they look.👍
@Dr Moriarty Rocket was just the Stephensons.
Trevithick built a few locomotives, but they were pretty experimental and looked somewhat quirky to say the least.
Rocket was one of the first commercially viable main line locomotives, and it did look pretty awesome, although I think Stephenson's Planet class locos looked a lot nicer.
They got the fire down below
@Dr Moriarty Yes.
When it all gets too heavy
That's when they come and go
With only one thing in common
They got the fire down below.
--Bob Seger
611 isn’t that old as far as steam locomotives go
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Very good video
Clean engineering. I lived near a rail line when I was a kid. The house was always dirty with black coal dust.
With that thing blowing black oil smoke the house would be greasy, at least the coal dust would wash away.
What a magnificent locomotive
Simply GORGEOUS streamlining!
It was even more magnificent when it triple headed with 4501 (I can’t remember the road number of the other locomotive)
BRILLIANT
they shout run the more often
The reason 611 slips like this so much is because it has a lower factor of adhesion. That means the weight over the drivers is lighter than it should be. The locomotive is naturally slippery, just a consequence of some of the design choices. The N&W A Class locomotives had the same design flaw.
Typically, a good factor of adhesion (weight on drivers divided by tractive effort) is 4 or better. Lower usually becomes slippery and requires a skilled hand on the throttle. I believe 611’s factor of adhesion is 3.78.
The friction heat from that must be absolutely *ferocious!*
Its possible to spin fire off the drivers, and you can find videos of locomotives both steam and diesel doing so when a wheel slip isn't checked at once. 611's crew did a good job here keeping the slips to a minimum, the engine doesn't seem to like switch points and is often seen getting wheelslip when encountering them. I had it do it right in front of me at Strasburg when it was coming up to the water tower in Ronks for a drink.