When British Railways Made The Human Centipede With Locomotives: BR Class 13- Enthralling Engines #1
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- In my own time I've been looking into some interesting locomotive types; and it just so happened that at the time Twitter was talking about the strange BR Class 13. After doing some looking into the locomotive, I thought it'd be fun to make a video going in depth on it!
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This sounds like something that Train of Thought would do. Make a video about an obscure locomotive. I look forward to your future videos of your new series
He’s a huge inspiration with finding classes that I didn’t really know much about; especially in regards to finally making my own type of videos showcasing engines I find interesting myself haha. Thank you so much!
The class 13 Splatter and Dodge is a head canon I've had in mind for a long time now, but that was actually inspired by @TenShine1's backstory for Arry and Bert.
You say that name proudly Spodge
@@thebandit0256 Perhaps the slave/calf loco of the pair was doomed for the scrapheap, but the master/cow loco refused to let its companion go alone. ;-;
Ever heard of Spanner? Also can you give me a link to the video
@@thesealsharkproductions9780 Saw it last night.
Might have found it,”sodor chronicles 4: your to old” but if not send me a link
Funny story someone actually made a class 13 version of splatter and Dodge for Trainz in a realistic style I have it on my instance of the game I just can’t for the life of me remember who made it
Signalworks
It's from the Signalworks and it's Made By Grayson
Interesting
Those locomotives are very similar to the EMD TR1 and TR2 "Cow-Calf" units that were basically NW1 and NW2 switchers that were semi-permanently coupled together (A Unit and cabless B Unit) and were essentially used for transfer service at interchange points between railroads.
Since building new locos of old designs has become a thing, perhaps the class 13 can see the light again. All you'd need is two spare class 08s and some tools....
I miss Tinsley I used to go there with my dad on Sundays in his silver mini special in the mid 1980s there was always class 20s sat whistling away plus class 37s 31s 47s on shed! I really miss them days between 1983-85 I was only a kid and they was the better days of British rail I love the video it brings back happy memories of standing on the hill getting the loco numbers!!! 😎
Diesel, Arry, Bert, Paxton and Sydney look at their siblings awkwardly: Uh, hello?
This seems like it'll be a fun series. I'd honestly like to see an episode on the unique Triplex locomotives. A very flawed design to be sure, but still fun to look at.
They were great when you needed traction and slow but steady power.
Not so great at speed or budget.
As an Addendum, Quadraplex engines. Whilst no engine was built a patent was made, it had 2 cabs one for the driver at the front (So, cab forward?) and one at the back for the fireman.
@@Sandalphon36 Yes, I've heard of those. In fact, if I remember correctly, there was even a design for a *Quintuplex* engine, which had three cabs, one at the front, one at the back, and one in the middle. Of course, like the Quadruplex, it was never built.
@@NorthWestern1919 That sounds like an abomination from a simulator.
@@Dat-Mudkip One can only wonder as to why such a ridiculous engine was never built.
Slave/cabs are called Cow/calves in canada, always interesting to see and learn about them
I’m surprised that the US used the latter for our “hump switchers,” but not at all surprised Britain chose the former
Also in America there called calf and cow switchers
Me: reads title
Also me: *Vietnam flashbacks*
Awesome idea for a series, definitely looking forward to seeing more. I would have to suggest the LMS Big Bertha, an absolute UNIT of a locomotive that I hope someone rebuilds someday.
@barnabyjoy You're crushing my dream here bro
@barnabyjoy I mean they did make replicas of various slow locomotives all over the place (for example believe it or not they remade Tom Thumb and the Dewitt Clinton both rather slow compared to modern engines
That was an interesting video. 2 of those class 08 survive into preservation. 13000 and 13002 with the slave units. 13002 is an active class 08 at the Plym Valley Railway where I am a volunteer and is a pleasant engine to drive. One of the best shutters ever built
More Likely a Class 12
0:59 - what a wonderful little photo; the Class and it's variants were truly awesome to see!
Also, while not a permanent thing, the Class 20 locomotives would often be used in pairs similar to the Class 13 (albeit nose to nose, something about visibility but can't remember)
Considering how many BR Class 08s are preserved in the UK, I'm surprised that no-one has even considered 're-creating' the Class 13s.
@barnabyjoy An 08's max speed is ~22MPH and the 09 (same loco, different gearing) ~27MPH. How is that a reasonable pace for passenger duties?
@barnabyjoy Yes, I was thinking National Rail passenger services. 08s are ideal for 'light railways' where the speed is limited to 25MPH by law.
The US had a few of these made from EMD switchers.
Instead of "master and slave", the terminology was "cow and calf".
The us term sounds more ethical
Just randomly came across this video on TH-cam. It’s actually set in my hometown of Sheffield. Awesome. My old next door neighbour used to work at the Tinsley Marshalling yards back in the day right up to when it closed, though it’s still in minor use today as it’s still a live line.
It’s becoming a bit more active of late - road freight transport company Newell and Wright have invested quite a bit into building an intermodal terminal on the site and I think DB Schenker use another bit.
(As another Sheffielder, it feels a little bit odd hearing an American educate us about the history of our home town!)
Awesome. I'd love to see more videos like these. The class 13 reminds me of similar mother-slug diesel locomotive sets seen here in the U.S.
In italy we once had e321 and e323 classes
These were the first (and only) electric shunters to operated in italy and were permanently coupled with one or even two slave units (known as e322 and e324) that were capable to erogate 780hp (more even than class 13)
there is another detail that made these shunters even more unique: their chassis was recycled from 1904 gr835 steam locos and, as they operated until 2002, they are also the last remains of italian steam traction in regular service
Imagine the creation process of this in TRWS canon. Imagine being an engine converted to being a 'slave' unit to a class 13 and having your cab sawed off in the process.
'Human Centipede' is a good descriptor.
Would conversion to a slave unit be more akin to lobotomy or severing motor control? Just when we thought the implications of TRWS couldn't get any darker...
One of the darker episodes of Thomas
@@Gotonis Awdry has truly created a unintentionally dark universe
Damn awesome new series and love your videos about locomotives
I've driven one of those when I was 7 years old on the old Bangor - Caernarfon line.
I was just discussing early BR diesels
Now THERE'S a class I've never even heard of - and many thanks for putting this video together, TrainBoy!
These designs are quite interesting
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Keep up with the brilliant, unique content 👌
Sounds like a fun idea for a series. Would love to see more videos about unique/interesting engines and railroad vehicles.
I’m totally for this being Splatter and Dodge now. Would even work with how Diesel 10 calls them Splodge.
“I ain’t got time to say both names, and besides with you two being connected it makes more sense!”
“That sounds rude boss.”
“Nyeah it does, I think.”
2:41 Train boy: “And now ladies and gentlemen if you’ll excuse me I have a new splatter and dodge head-cannon to develop.”
Me: PFFTTT
Add to the mix,both Alco and Baldwin made Cow and Calf sets! One especially interesting one,was the units on the Southern Pacific,as they were C-C road units! And there were also the Train Masters converted into Hump Slugs! The Southern Pacific and the Santa Fe,were noted for producing home made units for their own use,and that started in steam days,as they were so far from the East Coast,where the manufacturers,were located! So when diesels came in,the shops can and did the same!! A notable rebuild done by the ATSF was the CF7,which took,F7 cab units,and made them into road switchers,and the railroad got at least another 20 years of use out of them! More than a few short lines have them in operation!! Thanks 😊!
I wouldn't mind seeing one of these on "Big Bertha", the Lickey Incline banker.
That is incredibly interesting
I've seen pictures of this or these on a couple occasions. Quite interesting the class 13 is referred to as the Human centipede of locomotives.
This is same solution the Pennsylvania Railroad had in 1910 for the problem of getting to Sunnyside yard; two units coupled together. The DD1 locomotive was the DC electric answer. Was the most powerful electric unit in the world at the time. One survives in Strasburg, PA
There's also the BB-1 switcher, used in pairs linked with a drawbar and classed as BB-3.
(I have a video of models of these tooling around my excuse for a layout :) )
My friend's Dad drove us for an hour to Tinsley in 1981 so we could see these great locos. It was pretty misty then, like in the videos.
The Kitson Still locomotive would be interesting to look at.
Yes please continue this type of content!
Really not sure why they couldn't just have Multiple-Unit-Control instead of _ripping the cab and controls off_ a perfectly good shunter.
I’d love to see an episode on the Garret. For one it’s my favorite engine type and two it’s a very unknown engine class.
Awesome video trainboy
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much! :)
Wow, great video of the class 13s 👍👍 I think it quite a shame that non of them being preserved as they would be useful on heritage railways to have a powerful shunting locomotive not only for shunting locos in the yard, but hauling a four or five coach passenger trains. That was a great video to talk about these unusual diesel locomotives and my personal choice in your next one is O2 class tank engine.
You might be interested to know that a similar thing was done with tractors in new Zealand and it became so popular some manufacturers began making them from the factory
"master unit and slave unit" i can already tell someone is going to have fun with this
Master unit's panels covered in black leather, and slave unit painted flesh colour?
@@lloydpenfold486 maybe
Strange a long time ago in this game called "wooden sodor" and a long time splodge use to be those engines but now there not there anymore
I wanna see somebody make a o c out of this loco great video trainboy
There was also some radio controlled 08's they were quite successful we use to for tipping coal trains
The cabs were left on and they could be driven just same as conventional 08
Splatter and Dodge as a class 13. Officially now named "Splodge" to save time.
I'd love to see you making a video about one of the various classes of Garratt locomotive that were developed.
If you really want to know an interesting shunter, or switcher I should say, there are the Union railroad’s 0-10-2’s aka the king of the switchers
Love it
Why not the LSWR 4-6-0 trio of the N15, S15, and H15.
@barnabyjoy yeah, they're the less successful LSWR 4-6-0s
What an Interesting Class of engine witch a sham it never made it to preservation
This man right here introduced me to this channel!
Lol also welcome milo
@@minecraft_bi4301 lol
Id have loved to have seen one of those rocking up at London Kings Cross simply because it was something to do.
Given they are a massive feature of Yorkshire railways - one should have been kept for the NRM at York.
Some interesting engines that I hardly see any attention over are literally any 4-8-4s other than the Daylights, FEFs, J classes or Niagara’s. There are so many others out there that should have some light shed on them. That being said this does look like an interesting series and I’m looking forward to the next episodes.
I didn't know what a human centipede was until this video so I Googled it.
One word: DON'T.
Hey loved the class 13 video, would like to see video on the fowler class?
Pls continue this series
My headcanon is yet there were FOUR class 13s at Tinsley. The fourth not being Splodge but 'Arry and Bert.
I highly recommend the NZR EO and EA Classes! Electric locomotives specifically designed for hauling freight through a huge long, steep tunnel!
This reminds my of the Santa Fe 3000 class, I don’t know why but it just does
i got an idea for 1 fowlers ghost(basically it was a fireless steam engine)
What about the ger a 55 or big bertha the 0-10-0 in y opinion is quite a pwerfull looking configuration
Garrett and Fairley locos are pretty cool
Wow so good my suggestion is the Gwr 4073 class
There is a scale model of the loco and its yard on TH-cam, Tinsley Yard. Its a OO gauge layout.
Very informative video
I want to see this splatter and dodge head cannon you have lol
Obviously inspired by the French railways system around the 60s: using the coupling of C-61000+TC61000 (a 0-6-0 diesel shunter permanently linked to a cabin-less 0-6-0 truck) applied to the same specific task in marshalling yards with hump sorting.
Also, Sentinel steam shunters are unique on their own.
0:06 rip Rebecca
Imagine trainboy's head Canon is that splatter and dodge were never seen again cuz they were the ones who was coupled permanently and was scrapped
you should make a video about the bulleid leader! i think you would do a great job with that
The Erie Triplex would be cool, I belive it was a 2-8-8-8-2. Also, a Garrett, PLEASE
I’ve always loved the class 13
British railways executives: What is 8 plus 8? Its 13
BIG BERTHA, and the BIG BOY are the only two I'd like to hear more about. Maybe also those little unique box engines (for reference, the ones like Neil)
Why was the cab removed? Because we really needed another couple inches of scrap metal, okay?
Look into the PRR S1. An engine that looked awesome, but was an.awesome failure
Great video! What about the UP (Union Pacific) turbine locomotive? Or the GNR J50?
Someone should make a new class 13 as there are so many preserved 08s out there!
Love it
I've heard of class 13s before, but I haven't seen photographs of them before.
The way you put it makes it seems like Splatter and Dodge were conjoined twins at birth only to be split up later
If thomas and friends would've continued in CGI, and been good still
It would've been cool for this style of locomotive appear in the show with a face on the back of the Master unit, and one on the front of the Slave unit
I made up a Thomas character based on this class, a female named Ruth, but used only the slave model as a basis as I was not aware it needed a master permanently coupled to it at the time. Nice video.
The new Union Pacific Big Boy
Would like to see you try and make a model out of this class. Lol.
Me too, I just dunno if it’d be something like Splatter and Dodge (I need to make a Dodge anyway) or a realistic actual model of the real thing. AND in what scale 😅
@@ItsTrainBoy i say make the real life one first. To get a better understanding on how to make a splatter and dodge 13 class train idea. That away you know exactly what your doing so you don't brake splatter or dodge as you make them into this idea and maybe be able to change between the two being front runner cabless or with cab behind. So you can have them be splatter and Dodge or dodge and splatter. But thats just me. Lol.
Ps maybe ho scale. Cuz splatter is already ho scale. Lol
I sense a new model of yours being made based on this
It would definitely be out of the ordinary, but given how much Mario/Nintendo music you use, you should make a Mario related video!
Here’s an idea - was there any serious proposals or talks of an articulated, mallet-type locomotive in Britain?
there was one on paper design by Beyer, Peacock & Co. Which was a "mallett-garrett" so combo design, an 8 cylinder quadruplex 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 behemoth.
There were some normal mallett's actually produced but just for export.
@barnabyjoy oh I didn't know about that one I'll look it up edit : just did it would have been made at the closest loco works to me if they had made it! Such a shame they didn't
Holy crap, these were made in Darlington, my home town
This is when i bring up the point of the EMD FT and TR units. Permanently coupled Cow Calf units from the factory from the 1930s into the 40s. A good while before BR did this
Bear in mind that experience quickly taught both EMD and the railroads that using drawbars instead of couplers just leads to an inflexible locomotive... hence why semi-permanent coupling didn't last long on the FT and was not implemented on the F2. In fact ATSF ordered all of their FTs as single units with couplers on both ends, including the booster units.
@@ErickC then again if it was “inflexible” why did EMD make like, 4 arguably marketable TR units, hell even a 3 unit TR3 existed
@@tencents49 : Notice they didn't make very many of them... against a balance of 1145 NW2s there were 3 TRs, 36 TR2s, and 2 TR3s. For 489 SW7s there were 15 TR4s. 309 SW8s v. 12 TR6s. For 786 SW9s there were 10 TR5s. And they didn't even bother making cow-calf pairs after that.
And you know what happened to those locomotives? They were all either traded in for single units and scrapped at a relatively young age or rebuilt as standalone units.
Ask yourself this: why did so many FTs get retrofitted with couplers and why hasn't EMD produced drawbar-connected pairs since the dark ages? It's because now you have two locomotives that could potentially do separate duty when they don't need to be connected, but they're stuck together permanently. Utilization is money. Utilization is why nobody makes booster units anymore, either.
The total number of models available is pretty much irrelevant. Between 1946 and 1955, Baldwin offered many more roadswitcher models than EMD did. But nobody bought them. Your argument is akin to saying that Baldwin was more successful than EMD during this period because they had more models available despite selling a tiny fraction of what EMD sold and ultimately going out of business while EMD was still churning out locomotives day after day.
Also - have you considered that most of those TR models were offered concurrently because EMD was producing several different versions of the same switcher with different engines in them at the same time? You did know the only difference between an SW7, SW8, and SW9 is the number of cylinders in the engine, right? They weren't successive models. We're talking about a very narrow time range here. Half of the available models were based on the NW2 while the other half were based on the SW7/8/9. That effectively creates the illusion of a wider production range than there actually was...
When I was a kid I was "enthralled" with the Big Boy & challenger (both built by Union Pacific) since they both had two sets of wheels and, as far as I know, they're the biggest steam engines ever built. I've heard the Big Boy alone could pull a mile (1.6 km) length worth of train with hardly any trouble.
If the train was light enough and the terrain was level enough, sure. The Big Boy might have been powerful for a steam locomotive of its time, but a single ES44 will outpull the Big Boy by a considerable margin. You don't see single ES44s handling mile-long coal trains in mountainous terrain... so a Big Boy definitely wouldn't be managing it. Power doesn't pull trains, tractive effort does. Power just determines the speed at which that tractive effort will occur.
there is a very intresting loco you might be intresting in, that is Big bentra, aka the licky banker
The Pacific tank and the very first pacific tender locomotive is an interesting subject.
@ 0:07 Not all of the steam engines on this picture were not scapped: most or at least many are preserved.
The Class 08 shunters were also used extensively by the Dutch Railways (Nederlandse Spoorwegen) after WW2 as NS 500, NS600 and NS 700 series from 1946 and 1998. 🙂
I'd say check out the BR GT3 locomotive, The C&O M1 Turbine, "Fowlers Ghost", or the Russian "Aerowagon" (and maybe the UP M-10001)
Maybe have a look at the LSWR 700 Class 'Black Motors' or the LSWR T14 'Paddlebox'
I would love if one of these was preserved
@TrainBoy you should do the class 89
Were they scrapped? Or were they dismantled & the master locomotives being returned to being 08s ?
I believe the Slave units were all withdrawn and scrapped with the Master ones being either put back into service or repurposed elsewhere? I wasn’t able to find as much on them sadly but it wouldn’t make much sense to have scrapped the masters IMO so here’s to hoping
Yes, I like this video
Hope to see the fontaine on here, that ones weird and cool