My unscientific opinion is they think they can get a Super Bowl, as you said, and the tickets keep getting more expensive. The people who can afford them do not want to be uncomfortable. And you're absolutely right about retractable roofs. They are hardly ever open. Great enthusiasm you showed in the video.
Miami has no need for a domed stadium and two outdoor stadiums there hosted many Super Bowls----until the ONE year that it finally rained. Most people on TV thought it was nice, and that it was only appropriate to see Prince perform songs like "Purple Rain" IN the rain. However, the NFL was horrified and refused to give the Super Bowl back to South Florida until a rim was placed around the roof to ensure that even in the REMOTE possibility that it rained again during the Super Bowl, nobody in the stands would get wet.
@@eddiejc1 Miami football in the rain is awesome people if anything the stadium has more life. I'll never forget the entire cardinals team bitching after losing by a fieldgoal in 2016 it rained pretty much all game but it was a full on drenching by the end. The bay next to us were trying to imitate dolphin calls all game, but they just sounded like ducks quacking. Those superbowl stuffed shirts don't know how to have fun.
The Seattle Mariners have a retractable roof stadium and our "problem" is the opposite: It's open for 95% of the games. It was obviously added because "It rains so much in Seattle". Yes, it rains a lot in Seattle...in the winter. Late spring, summer, and early fall in Seattle is very nice. I've been to T-Mobile Park/Safeco Field nearly two dozen times over the past 20 years, and I've yet to go to a game where the roof was closed.
Detroit, Indy, Atlanta, Houston and Minnesota all replaced previous dome stadiums, Texas Stadium was almost a dome and now AT&T is now what they wanted when Texas Stadium was thought of. Arizona needed a dome especially in September, but generally games in November and December the roof is open. Las Vegas definitely needed a dome. Rams did play in a dome in St Louis, so building one in Inglewood (even though it’s not totally enclosed) makes sense, also that stadium was privately funded. Also look at what Seattle did, they went from a dome to an outdoor venue.
A big reason for domes is their versatility. They can host more then just football games! You can use them on other days then just the 10 NFL games a year (including preseason). Here in Houston, my family have attended the circus, ice capades, a Marvel Broadway type show and monster truck rally. And for a month out of the year, the NRG complex hosts the famous Houston Rodeo.
Yes, but the question is how many more events? For most cities, its not a lot and events like a circus or ice capades could easily be hosted in an arena
@@forgottenplaces9780 I agree, an arena can and usually does host these types of events. However, using a dome in concert with an arena helps the city as events are able to be held during the second half of the basketball/hockey season. It is a huge economic incentive to leave the equipment in place instead of having to rig everything down for the evening's basketball game and rig it all back up the next morning.
Sure, but it's not a $1-2bn incentive. A lot of these stadiums end up being terrible deals for cities, especially when funded with things like hotel taxes which are not guaranteed income. For almost all of those events you listed a basketball arena is a more financially viable option.
@@shaunnichols1743 I agree in principle, but you are not accounting for the rig up/rig down costs needed each time there was a basketball or hockey game. And the lost revenue for the special show. One time events, like concerts, are more efficient. Not events that set up and stay a week or longer.
They want a dome because the stadium will be able to hold more events and not just trying to lure the Superbowl. They can point to all the events it will bring outside of football that will bring in extra income to the area especially if they are seeking public money for the stadium.
Even if you build a dome, if you're a cold weather city, then you will only get the Super Bowl once. You're not necessarily going to get year-round concerts, because tours that include stadium shows always happen in the warmer months.
Another sporting event that can be held in a dome but not in an outdoor stadium is the Final Four tournament as well as conference basketball tournaments.
But they don't. Nearly all of the events people talk about can be held at an arena for a lower cost and better viewing experience. Conventions also make little sense because just about every NFL city already has a convention center that is centrally located and better equipped to handle those events.
@@shaunnichols1743 "Nearly all of the events people talk about can be held at an arena for a lower cost and better viewing experience." Now that's just dubious
I say the biggest appeal of domes outside the super bowl is general comfort. I mean indoor stadiums are easier to keep warm/cool than outdoor ones and while extreme weather events may not come into play It's still best to keep the fans comfy. I mean the NFL is Americas most profitable sports league and fan attendance tends to be quite high even for the worst teams. Plus the ability to hold indoor venues helps. Then there is the noise factor, I mean that is certainly a good reason for why Indianapolis Lucas Oil Stadium and the former RCA dome were domed stadiums, they are within the city and loud crowds of fans would be an issue.
I think Sofi Stadium is doing for football stadiums what Camden Yards did for baseball stadiums: make everyone feel like theirs stinks and they need a new one
You are a 100% correct. Lol I use to think Ford Field was the best stadium in the NFL and I had been to 5 other stadiums to compare but once Sofi was built and then.I got to go there 2 years ago to see my lions play the rams then all of a sudden Ford Field seemed like a dump lol. I really do believe Ford Field is still great but after going to Sofi I don't know if that can ever be outdone!
They may have a great stadium, but I can guarantee you that if their last Super Bowl was played at Ed Jones Stadium, you would not have seen Rams fans be a distinct minority in both the NFC Championship or the Super Bowl.
That's the point....a stadium with a roof allows the opportunity for other events to take place there, thus expanding the practicality of said facility. That seems to be the smarter way to go IF it's deemed a priority for that market. Does everyone want a dome or is that hyperbole? The Bills are staying outdoors in their new stadium. Obviously Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Denver, K.C. Philadelphia, Cleveland, Cincinnati, New England, New York, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, and Seattle weren't as concerned or the price tag was too high. However, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Minnesota, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Arizona, Tennessee, Indianapolis, and eventually Chicago beg to differ for all sorts of reasons. Though Miami's compromise is awesome. NFL games are not cheap. No sense of getting rained on or freezing or cooking in the sun, if ya don't have to, but that's just me. To each their own, though I would be interested in seeing the famous Superdome with a translucent roof....
Atlanta's Mercedes Benz stadium in my opinion is one of the worst. First off, fall is the best season in GA. 2nd off, it's not even really a retractable dome. Only a very small portion in the middle of the roof opens up. There's a reason why it's called the Sphincter.
another angle on Stadiums and weather. Why did the major cities in Canada (Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton) of the Canadian Football League (CFL) all recently build new outdoor stadiums as apposed to domes? These stadiums are inoperable 6 months out of the year due to weather.
Canada is different, more socialist and won't let politicians waste money on stadiums. Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal are rich enough to be exceptions but only them.
NFL stadiums that don’t have insane cold don’t necessarily need a done or retractable roof stadium as football is played in all weather except lightning but you want the fans to be comfortable. Baseball in a climate with a lot of rain or cold spring or fall or extremely hot weather will need a roof.
One issue is that if you don't have a dome, there's going to be a heavy threat of having a lightning delay for your early season games, or the entire season if you are a baseball team. If you are fan who has to spend a lot to come to a game, you don't want to spend a ton and have the game then get postponed or even really delayed. Lightning delays are the worst experience you can have as a fan at a stadium.
As a regular attendee of games at FedEx Field, I can say that I would love a retractable roof for the new stadium. I don’t mind the cold weather games, those can be fun. It’s the rainy, gloomy November/December games that are miserable for the average fans that the dome will attract and I don’t blame them. I’d also love to see more high quality NCAA games, a Bowl game, The Army/Navy game, better concerts, the Final Four and the NCAA Lacrosse championship. FedEx used to get that stuff, the only was it comes back is with a dome.
Be careful what you wish for. I think most fans wouldn't mind an outdoor stadium if it was back in DC near a Metro station. I fear the only place to build a retractable roof stadium will be in Landover next to FedEx, and probably ONLY accessible by cars or shuttle buses.
There's no doubt and should be no doubt that DC will have a domed stadium in the nearish future and it's one of the cities that can realistically carry a semi-annual SB. But there is a question on why Tennesee is pushing the issue.
Personally, I hate the use of the word "dome" for any covered arena. A dome is a very specific geometrical shape and most of these don't apply. Say what you might about the Kingdome and Astrodome. At least had legitimate domed roofs. 😄
Love the drone shot of my Linc at 2:40. I can't believe next month marks 20 years already since it's inception(August '03 for a Men's USA soccer game).
snow/weather is a big part of why some places like Syracuse U and the Vikings have indoor stadiums (remember, since these can host other events its better for the city/university if they can be useful during the winter than not) I feel like outside of these places having a dome is objectively useless
Eh I can see it for a city like Vegas where the weather is hot even in the winter (and one can do the same argument for some texas domes), and stadiums built within city limits like Lucas Oil Stadium to help tone down the sound of loud fans.
And wasn’t New England basically the host of the AFC championship game for the 2010s? If the New York Super Bowl wasn’t such a snoozefest we would probably have at least one more cold weather Super Bowl.
@@Marylandbrony they want to make it attractive to all the celebrities who don’t care about football but come because it’s a big deal and pay $$$ to sit in the good seats, as well as the halftime performer.
If it’s 100% privately funded, then go for it. Build what you want. Demand the tax payers pay for it so you, Mr Billionaire Owner don’t have to, then we have a serious problem. Because god forbid you actually spend that money you love to brag that you have.
Start the season Sept 1st. Sitting in the cold in Cleveland at the end of December and Jan stinks. I was given tickets for 12/28 vs. Jets night game. My plan is to have my kids use them. Too cold for me!
Because it’s absurd to play in such garbage weather - it should be mandatory in cold weather cities - not sure why the bills don’t just build a dome - really dumb decision
Even the Penner-Walton ownership group of the Denver Broncos is looking at the possibility of replacing Empower Field at Mile High with a retractable roof domed stadium (mainly in order to host a Super Bowl at a future date).
I live in Cardiff in the UK,we have the only stadium with a retractable roof in the UK,the pitch grass is terrible but with our rainy weather the stadium has lots of concerts in the Winter because of the roof
Coming from an NFL fan, I hope certain teams just don't get a dome. I think the Bears are already set to play in a dome as their next venue, and that would really just be a shame considering the history, and legacy of the Bears. I hear the Bills aren't building a dome, and that pleases me.
I suspect the Bills chose not to seek a roof because the combo of being quite small market (under 1.5M metro population) and lengthy, very harsh winters means nobody would wanna visit for the Super Bowl or college bowl games.
Well, that's you. Being in extreme sucks. The Bears have to think about the bottom line. They can make more money long term with a Dome or retractable roof. Concerts, Wrestlemania, Final Four, Bowl Games, and Super Bowls. Having no futuristic Stadium for a Big city is just useless. Eff your feelings
@@ronbrown7941 Well yes, it's me because it's my opinion I'm sharing. Who else would it be genius? Stop pretending like I'm speaking for everyone. Oh, and eff your feelings and opinion right back at you, as it doesn't appeal to me.
I think an open dome hybrid is the way to go. Covered sides with a retractable roof. Less seats in the end zones and more of a wall of windows. Have them so they can be opened when the roof is open.
This one's an easy one. They want the Final Four as well as a potential Super Bowl. There's one city that just got funding for a new stadium that's doing it for that, and another is/was being leveraged for it.
Why did Miami get a roof? Because of the Super Bowl storm they endured. The Super Bowl is the exclamation point to any stadium plans. The game can be sloppy in bad weather, but the experience needs to be good for the fan with $$$...
If you're going to have a retractable roof, then at least occasionally open it. Looking at you Houston Astros and Texans. The Astros used to open the MMP roof for about 1/4 to 1/3 or the games (April, part of early May and late September). I've even been to open-roof games there in June and August. But now, they may... may... open it in the first week of the season and that's it. I don't even remember the last time the Texans opened their roof. Almost 10 years IIRC. It may not even work anymore. There have been picture-perfect fall days and you turn on the game on TV and... the roof is shut. I believe both teams have a policy of opening the roof only when the temp is 72.5 degrees. A tenth of a degree warmer or colder and it's shut solid.
Anectodally, I feel that cold weather outdoor stadium teams do better in the NFL playoffs. Packers, Patriots, Steelers etc compared to Lions, Vikings etc.
Yeah I gotta disagree man. When cities like in the south have fans constantly overheating August-October it's nice to have a roof. I agree that retractable roofs are often unnecessary but domes in general are a good idea for about half of the league.
It's not ridiculous at all, it makes perfect business sense and we're going 80% dome eventually. You can host more events year round. Why spend all that money for an outdoor stadium and barely use it? At least with domes you can use for so much stuff. Domes or retractable roofs have turned into beautiful buildings these days and some bring in natural light. All NBA and NHL arenas are indoors and we ain't complaining about them.
U can use them for more events but in reality there just arent that many more events that require the amount of space, games and concerts can both be held outdoors and outside of those 2 there arent many other additional events to stage at a dome other than a few winter, early spring concerts, i dont have the specific numbers on events as it varies but i doubt if a dome stadium is holding more than 3-8 additional full capacity events a year than an outdoor stadium, things like conventions and shows really are interchangable with other indoor venues…
@@forgottenplaces9780 And there aren't that many artists doing stadium shows. Those that do can easily do can easily schedule all the cold weather cities in the summer.
@@forgottenplaces9780 At the end of the day it's still more revenue that they would get than not holding those extra events. I still think it's more worth it to build a dome or roof structured stadium over an outdoor one these days going forward. Outdoor stadiums are going to be a thing of the past in the next 30-40 years.
I'm all for dome stadiums and especially nowadays since they have many major progress with artificial turf and less injuries from it. Having a dome the fans can be comfortable especially paying a lot of money for tickets. Having a dome opens more possibilities of making money for the team, owners, the city, and most importantly small local business in the area. With a dome you can host Superbowl, final 4, wrestlemania, concerts, and much more ect. Now with that said I think a retractable roof is just a waste of money. I watch a lot of football and baseball and I swear 9 times out of 10 the roof is closed, and to pay a extra half billion dollars to open your roof twice a year just doesn't make much sense. I really enjoy all your videos and keep up the great work 👍
A dome makes sense in Seattle, Minneapolis, and Phoenix/Vegas based on their extreme weather. The fact that LA built a stupid looking modified dome and don’t let in the Southern California natural light, like at the Rose Bowl and Coliseum, is just a travesty
From concerts to conventions to flagship events like Wrestlemania, domed stadiums are an investment in your city's economy. A place like Chicago would have hosted the B1G title game, but Indianapolis has the dome.
If the Bears build a new stadium in Arlington Heights, it's likely going to be indoors. It would help their chances to get a Super Bowl, college football playoff title game, and final four.
Why a dome? From a fan's point of view, if I'm going to be paying ludicrous prices for events, I don't want to risk hypothermia (since I live in New England), or shivering in monsoon-like rains while trying to enjoy *entertainment*. With the prices jacked up so high, there is NO WAY I'm going to pay several hundred dollars for an event without knowing I'm protected from the elements. This isn't 1975 where it only cost me $1 to sit in the bleachers at Fenway Park during a rain delay.
It is worth saying that the gray and artificial ambiance created by concrete roofs and Astro Turf we're absolutely horrible for sports, especially baseball. The Kingdome in Seattle and Olympic stadium in Montreal are two perfect examples. And I can't believe that Tropicana stadium and Rogers Centre are any better
I prefer outdoor stadiums. Football and baseball are games that are traditionally played outdoors, and the weather can make the games a bit different every time. Even if a dome lets in natural light, it's not the same as being outdoors. Retractable roofs are hardly ever open, so I count them as domes too. There are certainly some markets that need indoor stadiums due to having very cold climates for football, or very hot climates for baseball, but the majority of cities would do just fine with outdoor stadiums. If you have a dome, then you can host Super Bowls in a cold weather city, and final fours, but if you're a cold weather city, even with a dome, you're only getting the Super Bowl once. I'd like to compare the number of events that stadiums host in a year between domes and outdoor stadiums, in similarly sized markets. I bet the numbers are not all that different. Concert tours that have stadium shows tend to be scheduled to hit cold weather cities in the summer.
For me there was a time before and after the AT&T stadium. Back in the day they lack the technology and knowledge to build proper domes, but now they are the way to go imho. Imagine there would be a heat wave in August (first pre season games) like we had most recently in Arizona, or New Orleans had had no dome when Katrina hit the city. Domes simply make you independent from the elements. No soaking wet Taylor Swift: => You WON'T BELIEVE How Taylor Swift Handled Foxborough Rain! Or poor old Franky: => FRANK SINATRA in Italy part 4
The Super Bowl should be held somewhere in the vicinity of the middle of the country, but also somewhere that is decently warm in February. Folks, I give you Texarkana!!! The NFL should build a stadium there and that should be the end of it.
I still think the Vikings should have built an outdoor stadium when they built US Bank Stadium. It would have given them a cold home field advantage come playoffs. Oh well, one could dream.
The cold weather advantage has been debunked. It's a misperception. It's about the coaching and talent depth of any given team that also makes least mistakes during a game. Suggesting a team needs cold weather is a disservice to all of the hard work they put in all season long because cold weather is unpredictable. Is it cold enough or is it not cold enough? Cold weather does not have some mystical or psychological element that makes a team less likely to lose. The Vikings lost their share of home games at the Met when it was chilly or cold or whatever. Bear fans claim the same thing and I point out that the '88 NFC Championship Game changed that perception forever. The Packers have lost playoff games at home when it's cold. It makes no difference. The current Vikings stadium is fantastic, well-designed and perfect for that climate up there. Weather exposure isn't their problem. Their QB is a problem, he's not a championship QB, nor will he be. They have a depth problem and not just at QB. The outdoor Vikings enjoyed an 0-4 Super Bowl record even though they had some epic players out there which is tragic. They can only go up from where they are at right now. If they manage to win a Super Bowl, few fans, if any will care where they play at home in the cold. The only thing that will matter is changing that "0" to a "1"
I agree with your sentiment in this video. The building of all of these domes is out of control. Personally, I always enjoy watching a game being playing in the elements and on natural grass, rather than the sterile weather environment of a dome. In addition to that...I have heard that even if a city like Cleveland decides to build a dome, it is very unlikely that they would ever get awarded a super bowl because of the lack of hotels in the city. Not sure if that part is true or not, but it certainly seems like a waste to spend all of that money and effort for an event that would happen at best once every 10 years. Just my two cents.
The Super Bowl is the trump card. A state of the art dome gets you a Super Bowl. There is also a matter of funding. The acceptable amount to spend on a stadium has gone up, what, about 4 fold in 20 years. When the Jerry Dome was a billion dollars, it was preposterous. That was not even 15 years ago. Now a $2 billion price tag is sort of expected. And 15 years ago no city would ever sign up for that price tag. Now they will. With that much money to play with, you can pull out all the stops, and you sort of have to to keep with the Jones’ (no pun intended).
the teams do not care. they are getting a completely free stadium. the team probably has a deal to get all the revenue from events throughout the year. they could have other sporting events and conventions.the city can also use it to house people in emergencies. when the twins received their free stadium. white a bridge collapsed and people were killed. they would not spend a dime to add a roof.
I've grown up with the Lions playing in a dome and I have to say I love it and I'm quite spoiled. I went to a game in Cleveland in December and I was missing Ford Field and for that matter the Silverdome where both stadiums are always 70 degrees lol
they want a done due to lower maintenance costs for the field and 365 usage that you can’t get without a dome. so sorry that being baked by a blazing sun in a hot climate or frozen in a cold one doesn’t suit millions of fans 🙄
A dome doesnt have lower maint costs, if theres a turf it doesnt matter if its outdoors or indoors, if anything a dome cost more to maintain as you have to heat it year round and have to clean it regularly
@@forgottenplaces9780 never actually had to work maintaining a field, have you? the field has to be resodded EVERY YEAR because of the damage done to it. then it needs a certain amount of time to take BEFORE anything can be done on it. then there’s the required plumbing system to water it, the drainage system to get rid of the excess water from rain, and the costs of actually installing it. it adds up. there’s a reason so many teams went with field turf on the early 2000s: it’s cheaper. and don’t even get me started on the damage the rain, sun, salt, and snow does to the seats, stairs, electrical systems, PA system, plumbing, drainage, and lighting. it’s a hell of a lot to maintain and like the grass it needs to be done in certain conditions but this time it’s due to safety reasons. so your whole argument goes out the window because it actually costs MORE in the long run even before you factor in the additional revenue of being usable 365 days a year regardless of weather but hey- continue your idiotic rants that make mo sense and have repeatedly been refuted by people who actually know a thing or two.
What I mean is that colder weather cities should be prioritized for early season home games when it is warmer and more ideal to go, obviously it wouldnt be perfect but it can be improved.
@@forgottenplaces9780 I knew what you meant. The TV networks don't care if the fans are sitting in freezing or rainy conditions if it's the game that they want to broadcast in a specific time slot. I've been a Ravens season ticket holder since they moved from Cleveland and over the last few years, I've succumbed to the fact that I am attending a live TV event and the TV schedule dictates when I get to watch the event. It is what it is. It's not about fan comfort. The cities/teams building the domes are trying to create a more hospitable environment for the networks so they can be more flexible.
The Bills are spending $1.2 billion...er i mean $1.5 billion...um....(final price tbd). And it will be a handful of times each year because it's open air. If open air stadiums were cheap, you'd have a point. But for.. $1.somebignumber billion, you might as well just build a dome.
Actually the price just went up to 1.7, if they built a dome in buffalo it would probably be at least 700-1 bil more, they wouldnt build one there since one they needed the state just to get this built, and two they would still never host a superbowl, nor is it easy to sellout concerts there, not even Garth Brooks sold out, so its non football uses will be limited…
Almost all of these aren't even domes anymore. Idk people keep calling them domes.nIt would be like me calling my regular squared doorway, an arch. Lol
NFL snow games are amazing some of the NFLs biggest moments happened when the snow was falling and it looks amazing. I’ll never understand why teams will voluntarily give up their home field advantage
My unscientific opinion is they think they can get a Super Bowl, as you said, and the tickets keep getting more expensive. The people who can afford them do not want to be uncomfortable. And you're absolutely right about retractable roofs. They are hardly ever open. Great enthusiasm you showed in the video.
It’s not that they don’t want to be uncomfortable, it’s because they don’t know how to be uncomfortable
Miami has no need for a domed stadium and two outdoor stadiums there hosted many Super Bowls----until the ONE year that it finally rained. Most people on TV thought it was nice, and that it was only appropriate to see Prince perform songs like "Purple Rain" IN the rain. However, the NFL was horrified and refused to give the Super Bowl back to South Florida until a rim was placed around the roof to ensure that even in the REMOTE possibility that it rained again during the Super Bowl, nobody in the stands would get wet.
@@eddiejc1 Miami football in the rain is awesome people if anything the stadium has more life. I'll never forget the entire cardinals team bitching after losing by a fieldgoal in 2016 it rained pretty much all game but it was a full on drenching by the end. The bay next to us were trying to imitate dolphin calls all game, but they just sounded like ducks quacking.
Those superbowl stuffed shirts don't know how to have fun.
The Seattle Mariners have a retractable roof stadium and our "problem" is the opposite: It's open for 95% of the games. It was obviously added because "It rains so much in Seattle". Yes, it rains a lot in Seattle...in the winter. Late spring, summer, and early fall in Seattle is very nice. I've been to T-Mobile Park/Safeco Field nearly two dozen times over the past 20 years, and I've yet to go to a game where the roof was closed.
Detroit, Indy, Atlanta, Houston and Minnesota all replaced previous dome stadiums, Texas Stadium was almost a dome and now AT&T is now what they wanted when Texas Stadium was thought of. Arizona needed a dome especially in September, but generally games in November and December the roof is open. Las Vegas definitely needed a dome. Rams did play in a dome in St Louis, so building one in Inglewood (even though it’s not totally enclosed) makes sense, also that stadium was privately funded.
Also look at what Seattle did, they went from a dome to an outdoor venue.
SoFi technically isn’t a dome. It’s an open stadium with a cover on top.
@@MarkGraban ...now that we got that out of the way, back to the discussion...
A big reason for domes is their versatility. They can host more then just football games! You can use them on other days then just the 10 NFL games a year (including preseason). Here in Houston, my family have attended the circus, ice capades, a Marvel Broadway type show and monster truck rally. And for a month out of the year, the NRG complex hosts the famous Houston Rodeo.
Yes, but the question is how many more events? For most cities, its not a lot and events like a circus or ice capades could easily be hosted in an arena
@@forgottenplaces9780 I agree, an arena can and usually does host these types of events. However, using a dome in concert with an arena helps the city as events are able to be held during the second half of the basketball/hockey season. It is a huge economic incentive to leave the equipment in place instead of having to rig everything down for the evening's basketball game and rig it all back up the next morning.
Sure, but it's not a $1-2bn incentive. A lot of these stadiums end up being terrible deals for cities, especially when funded with things like hotel taxes which are not guaranteed income. For almost all of those events you listed a basketball arena is a more financially viable option.
@@shaunnichols1743 I agree in principle, but you are not accounting for the rig up/rig down costs needed each time there was a basketball or hockey game. And the lost revenue for the special show. One time events, like concerts, are more efficient. Not events that set up and stay a week or longer.
They want a dome because the stadium will be able to hold more events and not just trying to lure the Superbowl. They can point to all the events it will bring outside of football that will bring in extra income to the area especially if they are seeking public money for the stadium.
Even if you build a dome, if you're a cold weather city, then you will only get the Super Bowl once. You're not necessarily going to get year-round concerts, because tours that include stadium shows always happen in the warmer months.
Another sporting event that can be held in a dome but not in an outdoor stadium is the Final Four tournament as well as conference basketball tournaments.
But they don't. Nearly all of the events people talk about can be held at an arena for a lower cost and better viewing experience. Conventions also make little sense because just about every NFL city already has a convention center that is centrally located and better equipped to handle those events.
@@shaunnichols1743 "Nearly all of the events people talk about can be held at an arena for a lower cost and better viewing experience."
Now that's just dubious
I say the biggest appeal of domes outside the super bowl is general comfort. I mean indoor stadiums are easier to keep warm/cool than outdoor ones and while extreme weather events may not come into play It's still best to keep the fans comfy.
I mean the NFL is Americas most profitable sports league and fan attendance tends to be quite high even for the worst teams.
Plus the ability to hold indoor venues helps.
Then there is the noise factor, I mean that is certainly a good reason for why Indianapolis Lucas Oil Stadium and the former RCA dome were domed stadiums, they are within the city and loud crowds of fans would be an issue.
I think Sofi Stadium is doing for football stadiums what Camden Yards did for baseball stadiums: make everyone feel like theirs stinks and they need a new one
You are a 100% correct. Lol I use to think Ford Field was the best stadium in the NFL and I had been to 5 other stadiums to compare but once Sofi was built and then.I got to go there 2 years ago to see my lions play the rams then all of a sudden Ford Field seemed like a dump lol. I really do believe Ford Field is still great but after going to Sofi I don't know if that can ever be outdone!
They may have a great stadium, but I can guarantee you that if their last Super Bowl was played at Ed Jones Stadium, you would not have seen Rams fans be a distinct minority in both the NFC Championship or the Super Bowl.
This cycle pretty much repeats itself over and over again. Everyone has to outdo each other.
I can't speak about any other retractable roof stadiums but Miller Park has the roof open in Summer unless there's inclement weather.
That's the point....a stadium with a roof allows the opportunity for other events to take place there, thus expanding the practicality of said facility. That seems to be the smarter way to go IF it's deemed a priority for that market.
Does everyone want a dome or is that hyperbole?
The Bills are staying outdoors in their new stadium.
Obviously Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Denver, K.C. Philadelphia, Cleveland, Cincinnati, New England, New York, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, and Seattle weren't as concerned or the price tag was too high.
However, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Minnesota, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Arizona, Tennessee, Indianapolis, and eventually Chicago beg to differ for all sorts of reasons.
Though Miami's compromise is awesome.
NFL games are not cheap. No sense of getting rained on or freezing or cooking in the sun, if ya don't have to, but that's just me.
To each their own, though I would be interested in seeing the famous Superdome with a translucent roof....
Atlanta's Mercedes Benz stadium in my opinion is one of the worst. First off, fall is the best season in GA. 2nd off, it's not even really a retractable dome. Only a very small portion in the middle of the roof opens up. There's a reason why it's called the Sphincter.
another angle on Stadiums and weather. Why did the major cities in Canada (Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton) of the Canadian Football League (CFL) all recently build new outdoor stadiums as apposed to domes? These stadiums are inoperable 6 months out of the year due to weather.
Canada is different, more socialist and won't let politicians waste money on stadiums. Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal are rich enough to be exceptions but only them.
Agree, but those cities all made mistakes not building domes given the weather and limit use of those stadiums@@DIMP11
And the CFL mostly plays in the summer and might as well be a bush league.
NFL stadiums that don’t have insane cold don’t necessarily need a done or retractable roof stadium as football is played in all weather except lightning but you want the fans to be comfortable. Baseball in a climate with a lot of rain or cold spring or fall or extremely hot weather will need a roof.
One issue is that if you don't have a dome, there's going to be a heavy threat of having a lightning delay for your early season games, or the entire season if you are a baseball team. If you are fan who has to spend a lot to come to a game, you don't want to spend a ton and have the game then get postponed or even really delayed. Lightning delays are the worst experience you can have as a fan at a stadium.
As a regular attendee of games at FedEx Field, I can say that I would love a retractable roof for the new stadium. I don’t mind the cold weather games, those can be fun. It’s the rainy, gloomy November/December games that are miserable for the average fans that the dome will attract and I don’t blame them. I’d also love to see more high quality NCAA games, a Bowl game, The Army/Navy game, better concerts, the Final Four and the NCAA Lacrosse championship. FedEx used to get that stuff, the only was it comes back is with a dome.
Be careful what you wish for. I think most fans wouldn't mind an outdoor stadium if it was back in DC near a Metro station. I fear the only place to build a retractable roof stadium will be in Landover next to FedEx, and probably ONLY accessible by cars or shuttle buses.
There's no doubt and should be no doubt that DC will have a domed stadium in the nearish future and it's one of the cities that can realistically carry a semi-annual SB.
But there is a question on why Tennesee is pushing the issue.
Football is a TV show. The completely controlled environment of a dome is conducive to good broadcasting.
Personally, I hate the use of the word "dome" for any covered arena. A dome is a very specific geometrical shape and most of these don't apply. Say what you might about the Kingdome and Astrodome. At least had legitimate domed roofs. 😄
Love the drone shot of my Linc at 2:40. I can't believe next month marks 20 years already since it's inception(August '03 for a Men's USA soccer game).
snow/weather is a big part of why some places like Syracuse U and the Vikings have indoor stadiums (remember, since these can host other events its better for the city/university if they can be useful during the winter than not)
I feel like outside of these places having a dome is objectively useless
Eh I can see it for a city like Vegas where the weather is hot even in the winter (and one can do the same argument for some texas domes), and stadiums built within city limits like Lucas Oil Stadium to help tone down the sound of loud fans.
@@themadoneplays7842The baseball stadium for the A's when they move to Las Vegas will likely be a dome.
@@johnwiesner9590 Which makes sense considering where it will be located.
The only reason they're doing it is because of the NFL's refusal to consider cold site super bowls.
Kinda lame
@@adanalyst6925 I agree. I think it would be amazing to see a SB in Green Bay or Pittsburgh
And wasn’t New England basically the host of the AFC championship game for the 2010s? If the New York Super Bowl wasn’t such a snoozefest we would probably have at least one more cold weather Super Bowl.
@@Marylandbrony they want to make it attractive to all the celebrities who don’t care about football but come because it’s a big deal and pay $$$ to sit in the good seats, as well as the halftime performer.
If it’s 100% privately funded, then go for it. Build what you want.
Demand the tax payers pay for it so you, Mr Billionaire Owner don’t have to, then we have a serious problem. Because god forbid you actually spend that money you love to brag that you have.
Start the season Sept 1st. Sitting in the cold in Cleveland at the end of December and Jan stinks. I was given tickets for 12/28 vs. Jets night game. My plan is to have my kids use them. Too cold for me!
Because it’s absurd to play in such garbage weather - it should be mandatory in cold weather cities - not sure why the bills don’t just build a dome - really dumb decision
Even the Penner-Walton ownership group of the Denver Broncos is looking at the possibility of replacing Empower Field at Mile High with a retractable roof domed stadium (mainly in order to host a Super Bowl at a future date).
Plus they could be in the running to get a college football playoff title game or final four.
The Superdome is the only NFL dome built before 2000
I live in Cardiff in the UK,we have the only stadium with a retractable roof in the UK,the pitch grass is terrible but with our rainy weather the stadium has lots of concerts in the Winter because of the roof
Coming from an NFL fan, I hope certain teams just don't get a dome. I think the Bears are already set to play in a dome as their next venue, and that would really just be a shame considering the history, and legacy of the Bears. I hear the Bills aren't building a dome, and that pleases me.
I suspect the Bills chose not to seek a roof because the combo of being quite small market (under 1.5M metro population) and lengthy, very harsh winters means nobody would wanna visit for the Super Bowl or college bowl games.
Well, that's you. Being in extreme sucks. The Bears have to think about the bottom line. They can make more money long term with a Dome or retractable roof. Concerts, Wrestlemania, Final Four, Bowl Games, and Super Bowls. Having no futuristic Stadium for a Big city is just useless. Eff your feelings
@@ronbrown7941 Well yes, it's me because it's my opinion I'm sharing. Who else would it be genius? Stop pretending like I'm speaking for everyone. Oh, and eff your feelings and opinion right back at you, as it doesn't appeal to me.
I think an open dome hybrid is the way to go. Covered sides with a retractable roof. Less seats in the end zones and more of a wall of windows. Have them so they can be opened when the roof is open.
This one's an easy one. They want the Final Four as well as a potential Super Bowl. There's one city that just got funding for a new stadium that's doing it for that, and another is/was being leveraged for it.
Why did Miami get a roof? Because of the Super Bowl storm they endured. The Super Bowl is the exclamation point to any stadium plans. The game can be sloppy in bad weather, but the experience needs to be good for the fan with $$$...
If you're going to have a retractable roof, then at least occasionally open it. Looking at you Houston Astros and Texans. The Astros used to open the MMP roof for about 1/4 to 1/3 or the games (April, part of early May and late September). I've even been to open-roof games there in June and August. But now, they may... may... open it in the first week of the season and that's it. I don't even remember the last time the Texans opened their roof. Almost 10 years IIRC. It may not even work anymore. There have been picture-perfect fall days and you turn on the game on TV and... the roof is shut. I believe both teams have a policy of opening the roof only when the temp is 72.5 degrees. A tenth of a degree warmer or colder and it's shut solid.
Try that in a small town and see how far you go!!!
Anectodally, I feel that cold weather outdoor stadium teams do better in the NFL playoffs. Packers, Patriots, Steelers etc compared to Lions, Vikings etc.
Chiefs too. Though not as cold as those places it’s not exactly warm either
It’s an inferiority complex issue with certain cities.
Yeah I gotta disagree man. When cities like in the south have fans constantly overheating August-October it's nice to have a roof. I agree that retractable roofs are often unnecessary but domes in general are a good idea for about half of the league.
Its gonna suck when the nfl decides to have natural grass playing surfaces
Best video you’ve made and an awesome channel 👍 you hit it right on the head
If a NFL team wants a dome the team and the league can pay for them.
We’re going to build a dome and Mexico is going to pay for it!
-NFL owners
It's not ridiculous at all, it makes perfect business sense and we're going 80% dome eventually. You can host more events year round. Why spend all that money for an outdoor stadium and barely use it? At least with domes you can use for so much stuff. Domes or retractable roofs have turned into beautiful buildings these days and some bring in natural light. All NBA and NHL arenas are indoors and we ain't complaining about them.
U can use them for more events but in reality there just arent that many more events that require the amount of space, games and concerts can both be held outdoors and outside of those 2 there arent many other additional events to stage at a dome other than a few winter, early spring concerts, i dont have the specific numbers on events as it varies but i doubt if a dome stadium is holding more than 3-8 additional full capacity events a year than an outdoor stadium, things like conventions and shows really are interchangable with other indoor venues…
@@forgottenplaces9780 And there aren't that many artists doing stadium shows. Those that do can easily do can easily schedule all the cold weather cities in the summer.
@@forgottenplaces9780 At the end of the day it's still more revenue that they would get than not holding those extra events. I still think it's more worth it to build a dome or roof structured stadium over an outdoor one these days going forward. Outdoor stadiums are going to be a thing of the past in the next 30-40 years.
I'm all for dome stadiums and especially nowadays since they have many major progress with artificial turf and less injuries from it. Having a dome the fans can be comfortable especially paying a lot of money for tickets. Having a dome opens more possibilities of making money for the team, owners, the city, and most importantly small local business in the area. With a dome you can host Superbowl, final 4, wrestlemania, concerts, and much more ect. Now with that said I think a retractable roof is just a waste of money. I watch a lot of football and baseball and I swear 9 times out of 10 the roof is closed, and to pay a extra half billion dollars to open your roof twice a year just doesn't make much sense. I really enjoy all your videos and keep up the great work 👍
Domes are much louder than outdoor stadiums and if there is lighting, it won't matter like it would in an outdoor stadium.
I'm surprised the Buffalo Bills is not building one.
Buffalo is nowhere near big enough to host anything that would require a dome
A dome makes sense in Seattle, Minneapolis, and Phoenix/Vegas based on their extreme weather. The fact that LA built a stupid looking modified dome and don’t let in the Southern California natural light, like at the Rose Bowl and Coliseum, is just a travesty
From concerts to conventions to flagship events like Wrestlemania, domed stadiums are an investment in your city's economy.
A place like Chicago would have hosted the B1G title game, but Indianapolis has the dome.
Even final 4's if you look at it...
If the Bears build a new stadium in Arlington Heights, it's likely going to be indoors. It would help their chances to get a Super Bowl, college football playoff title game, and final four.
I wonder now with the Big Ten voring the PAC-12’s west coast teams. Maybe it will move to Los Angeles?
Why a dome? From a fan's point of view, if I'm going to be paying ludicrous prices for events, I don't want to risk hypothermia (since I live in New England), or shivering in monsoon-like rains while trying to enjoy *entertainment*. With the prices jacked up so high, there is NO WAY I'm going to pay several hundred dollars for an event without knowing I'm protected from the elements. This isn't 1975 where it only cost me $1 to sit in the bleachers at Fenway Park during a rain delay.
It is worth saying that the gray and artificial ambiance created by concrete roofs and Astro Turf we're absolutely horrible for sports, especially baseball. The Kingdome in Seattle and Olympic stadium in Montreal are two perfect examples. And I can't believe that Tropicana stadium and Rogers Centre are any better
I see young fans online who think every game should be in a dome to be "fair". It's wild.
Because no one is shelling out thousands for super bowl tickets only to freeze in Pittsburgh, Philly, New Jersy/New York and Chicago
I prefer outdoor stadiums. Football and baseball are games that are traditionally played outdoors, and the weather can make the games a bit different every time. Even if a dome lets in natural light, it's not the same as being outdoors. Retractable roofs are hardly ever open, so I count them as domes too. There are certainly some markets that need indoor stadiums due to having very cold climates for football, or very hot climates for baseball, but the majority of cities would do just fine with outdoor stadiums.
If you have a dome, then you can host Super Bowls in a cold weather city, and final fours, but if you're a cold weather city, even with a dome, you're only getting the Super Bowl once. I'd like to compare the number of events that stadiums host in a year between domes and outdoor stadiums, in similarly sized markets. I bet the numbers are not all that different. Concert tours that have stadium shows tend to be scheduled to hit cold weather cities in the summer.
I lost it at 3:19🤣🤣🤣
That's why I dig the new Bills stadium. Outdoors in Buffalo!
For me there was a time before and after the AT&T stadium.
Back in the day they lack the technology and knowledge to build proper domes, but now they are the way to go imho.
Imagine there would be a heat wave in August (first pre season games) like we had most recently in Arizona, or New Orleans had had no dome when Katrina hit the city.
Domes simply make you independent from the elements.
No soaking wet Taylor Swift:
=> You WON'T BELIEVE How Taylor Swift Handled Foxborough Rain!
Or poor old Franky:
=> FRANK SINATRA in Italy part 4
The Super Bowl should be held somewhere in the vicinity of the middle of the country, but also somewhere that is decently warm in February. Folks, I give you Texarkana!!! The NFL should build a stadium there and that should be the end of it.
St. Louis had a Dome and still lost a Football Team. It’s pathetic.
I still think the Vikings should have built an outdoor stadium when they built US Bank Stadium. It would have given them a cold home field advantage come playoffs. Oh well, one could dream.
Watch the crowds when they played at Minnesotas stadium. The fans were super involved, even if it was super cold….
The cold weather advantage has been debunked. It's a misperception. It's about the coaching and talent depth of any given team that also makes least mistakes during a game.
Suggesting a team needs cold weather is a disservice to all of the hard work they put in all season long because cold weather is unpredictable.
Is it cold enough or is it not cold enough?
Cold weather does not have some mystical or psychological element that makes a team less likely to lose. The Vikings lost their share of home games at the Met when it was chilly or cold or whatever.
Bear fans claim the same thing and I point out that the '88 NFC Championship Game changed that perception forever. The Packers have lost playoff games at home when it's cold. It makes no difference.
The current Vikings stadium is fantastic, well-designed and perfect for that climate up there. Weather exposure isn't their problem.
Their QB is a problem, he's not a championship QB, nor will he be. They have a depth problem and not just at QB. The outdoor Vikings enjoyed an 0-4 Super Bowl record even though they had some epic players out there which is tragic.
They can only go up from where they are at right now. If they manage to win a Super Bowl, few fans, if any will care where they play at home in the cold. The only thing that will matter is changing that "0" to a "1"
Now remember Buffalo is putting up a new stadium and they will not be getting a dome.
Im sure no chance at getting to host a superbowl was a factor
Domes are parts of biophilic design. The dome shape is close to nature, so people like it.
Ridiculous IS NOT SPELLED WITH AN ‘E’!
The SkyDome has been around so long that it has become trendy again, who'd have expected that!
I agree with your sentiment in this video. The building of all of these domes is out of control. Personally, I always enjoy watching a game being playing in the elements and on natural grass, rather than the sterile weather environment of a dome. In addition to that...I have heard that even if a city like Cleveland decides to build a dome, it is very unlikely that they would ever get awarded a super bowl because of the lack of hotels in the city. Not sure if that part is true or not, but it certainly seems like a waste to spend all of that money and effort for an event that would happen at best once every 10 years. Just my two cents.
The Super Bowl is the trump card. A state of the art dome gets you a Super Bowl. There is also a matter of funding. The acceptable amount to spend on a stadium has gone up, what, about 4 fold in 20 years. When the Jerry Dome was a billion dollars, it was preposterous. That was not even 15 years ago. Now a $2 billion price tag is sort of expected. And 15 years ago no city would ever sign up for that price tag. Now they will. With that much money to play with, you can pull out all the stops, and you sort of have to to keep with the Jones’ (no pun intended).
Maybe they were all engineered and designed by Buckminster Fuller
Because sitting outside in shitty weather really sucks.
How about ( if you havent even considered it yet... ) doing a bit on the washington commanders new ownership...
the teams do not care. they are getting a completely free stadium. the team probably has a deal to get all the revenue from events throughout the year. they could have other sporting events and conventions.the city can also use it to house people in emergencies. when the twins received their free stadium. white a bridge collapsed and people were killed. they would not spend a dime to add a roof.
I've grown up with the Lions playing in a dome and I have to say I love it and I'm quite spoiled. I went to a game in Cleveland in December and I was missing Ford Field and for that matter the Silverdome where both stadiums are always 70 degrees lol
they want a done due to lower maintenance costs for the field and 365 usage that you can’t get without a dome. so sorry that being baked by a blazing sun in a hot climate or frozen in a cold one doesn’t suit millions of fans 🙄
A dome doesnt have lower maint costs, if theres a turf it doesnt matter if its outdoors or indoors, if anything a dome cost more to maintain as you have to heat it year round and have to clean it regularly
@@forgottenplaces9780 never actually had to work maintaining a field, have you? the field has to be resodded EVERY YEAR because of the damage done to it. then it needs a certain amount of time to take BEFORE anything can be done on it. then there’s the required plumbing system to water it, the drainage system to get rid of the excess water from rain, and the costs of actually installing it. it adds up.
there’s a reason so many teams went with field turf on the early 2000s: it’s cheaper.
and don’t even get me started on the damage the rain, sun, salt, and snow does to the seats, stairs, electrical systems, PA system, plumbing, drainage, and lighting. it’s a hell of a lot to maintain and like the grass it needs to be done in certain conditions but this time it’s due to safety reasons.
so your whole argument goes out the window because it actually costs MORE in the long run even before you factor in the additional revenue of being usable 365 days a year regardless of weather
but hey- continue your idiotic rants that make mo sense and have repeatedly been refuted by people who actually know a thing or two.
Better scheduling??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The only better scheduling we're getting is what works for the TV networks.
What I mean is that colder weather cities should be prioritized for early season home games when it is warmer and more ideal to go, obviously it wouldnt be perfect but it can be improved.
@@forgottenplaces9780 I knew what you meant. The TV networks don't care if the fans are sitting in freezing or rainy conditions if it's the game that they want to broadcast in a specific time slot. I've been a Ravens season ticket holder since they moved from Cleveland and over the last few years, I've succumbed to the fact that I am attending a live TV event and the TV schedule dictates when I get to watch the event. It is what it is. It's not about fan comfort. The cities/teams building the domes are trying to create a more hospitable environment for the networks so they can be more flexible.
A retractable roof is a better idea.
Smart lad.
The Bills are spending $1.2 billion...er i mean $1.5 billion...um....(final price tbd). And it will be a handful of times each year because it's open air.
If open air stadiums were cheap, you'd have a point. But for.. $1.somebignumber billion, you might as well just build a dome.
Actually the price just went up to 1.7, if they built a dome in buffalo it would probably be at least 700-1 bil more, they wouldnt build one there since one they needed the state just to get this built, and two they would still never host a superbowl, nor is it easy to sellout concerts there, not even Garth Brooks sold out, so its non football uses will be limited…
Almost all of these aren't even domes anymore. Idk people keep calling them domes.nIt would be like me calling my regular squared doorway, an arch. Lol
Well with Global Warming/Climate Change a no dome NFL Stadium in a cold weather city shouldn't really be a problem.
The Browns want a dome!
Domes have gotten better over time, but also I wonder if climate change could play a factor in the future as well.
Sofi isn’t a dome stadium.
While not quite everyone not Green Bay or Buffalo.
So they can fleece cities for more money
Great video. If cleveland made a dome I would boycott.
Not ridiculous in Buffalo’s weather
I hate domes stadiums
Domes hinder the football experience for me.
NFL snow games are amazing some of the NFLs biggest moments happened when the snow was falling and it looks amazing. I’ll never understand why teams will voluntarily give up their home field advantage