He's the reason why as far as I understand it) there were no photogs allowed at recent Spice Girls reunion shows, because he was the official tour photographer to have photos distributed.
@@maudefindlay3949 His book should be a representation of his best pieces. So in this case we can judge based on that. It is what he chose to show to the world as a photographer
I'm not even mad at the privileged boy, because he has always lived in a bubble, being celebrated for just existing and being pretty... I'm mad at Penguin for giving him all this resources without any criteria for making the book, and then he spent two years making selfies, knowing that doesn't matter if his photos are mediocre he would still get his book.
What's there to be mad about? Penguin are allowed to coin in the money from deluded celeb fans who would have bought the book. Penguin publish lotta culturally important material for little to no reward. Hopefully this was profitable for them.
His world is incredibly small for someone with access to everything he could ever want. ETA: I can't believe our 80s holiday photos took by mum are better than this. And she's big on accidental negative space lol
He could have literally photographed anything anywhere in the world but he chose mirror selfies, I guess he’s kind of a genius since he got money with minimum effort
I’m going to sound like a hater here. Usually all this nepotism business doesn’t bother me but something about this book does. And it’s not really the subpar photos but the fact it was released as a legitimate photography book. There is so many wonderful photographers out there who could only dream of getting a book deal. They have the passion and want to share that with the world and make money from their craft, yet this guy gets signed so easily and releases this? It kind of feels like a slap in the face. There’s no story here, no substance. And most of the photos are in black and white probably because those are seen as more dynamic I assume. The layout is messy. Why do we need to see a mostly blank white page with only a small black and white mirror selfie? I just don’t understand.
The publishers were having a joke but told Brooklyn they wanted it to be serious. And this is what they got - a photographic journal of pure narcissism
While I agree this book is terrible and should not exist the part about having an empty page is actually very common in most photo books. It allows breathing space for the eye and makes things more visually interesting. Some of my favorite photo books use this layout on almost every page.
The saddest thing is that if you see some pictures, he actually has potential. So I don't understand with all that money, the Beckham's didn't hire a photographer to educate him. They have the money to do that. The main part is that we notice the lad hasn't enough training. The photo of David Beckham his hands has motion blur, because of the lack of skill, but if he putted more effort in it, it could actually be a good picture. Pose the hands symmetrical, the light was already good, maybe in front of the face, use a tripod or monopod etc. There are moments in the book, that you think: 'Hey, if he wouldn't find his mirror selfies so important, he might be able to create a vision. Selfies aren't even the problem, if he was actually creative with it, instead of acting like 'The old soul in a young body,' while everybody except him already knows he is a kid mentally.
You’re right, this should have been marketed differently. Perhaps instead of giving it the introspective title "What I See", perhaps it could have been more realistically titled "My Collection of Selfies" or something like that. also, if the editor would have coax more descriptive text from him, I think it might have been OK. For example, letting us know what he was feeling when he took this selfie, or what he was thinking, or what the location was where he took a selfie and if it had any special meaning. A good editor could have made this book better.
Iv’e commented too many times but I’m almost positive that a lot of these photos actually were instagram stories. I swear i saw that picture of two checkered vans on instagram years ago. Almost positive that the smaller show is Chloe grace moretz. Just because you CAN take a photo does not make you a photographer.
I love it when she does it but I don't understand what Jessica's saying when she drops in those Arabic words and sentences, however I can sense the saltiness in it. Being annoyed at talentless nepo babies truly is a universal language.
3:15 Lol, I see this at every film camera meet. They just take pics of other people's gear and then people taking pictures with their film cameras or selfies of them taking pics with their film cameras.
OMG just one time in first class...the dream of being able to stretch my legs and not be drenched in sweat from the body heat of 70 people stuffed into a cabin the size of a closet.
Were the other "photographers"-I don't know if professional or not (most likely not)-credited in the book? Did you mention in your first book that he "wrote" a book? When he said that I imagined more than an instagram description. I'm not a fan of the book.
I can’t get enough of this series, please do other nepo babies, turns out its entertaining Also love the parts where u need to break out into arabic because English is just not enough to express the craziness that is that book 😂😂 Keep going habibty
Brooklyn: Hey dad I want to make a photography book over the pics we took over the summer even though I have no experience. Oh and I want it done in 3 days.
I absolutely totally agree with you, Jessica. There could've been sooooo many things that one can see, yet those who happen to buy the book will get this - self-centered monologue with no clue how to write a story or tell one through a series of images 😮 It is just a bubble, an empty bubble 😢 All I see is how brutally poor (not financial sense of word❌) his life is 🤷🏼♂️
I was on a studio and saw a photobook. Chapters were divided by genres of photography. Comparing to this one, I felt more appreciation with the craft and how photographers played with light. Captions were only the names of the respective photographers. As to this one, it's more of a autobiography with some photos in it. You need captions to clearly tell to the readers what's happening in the photo.
This so so self indulgent and unrelatable. What art he gona do next? Interpretive dance? Glamour rock? I hope it will not be on a whim and suddenly he’s a professional. Churning out hideous garbage just cos his dad kicked balls and his mum “sang” back up
It's a book of snapshots. At the used bookstore, I see a lot of crappy photo books. This book would fit right in. If it had an unknown's name on it, nobody would pay it any attention.
I choose to see it as if he really enjoys the style of photographs he published. It's easy to judge and think that he is untalented and I do think we need to spread more kindness. Brooklyn sure did the best he could at that time, he was 18 when the book was released and with his family boosting his interest in photography maybe made him do some fast decisions in choosing the photographs. Art is strange and we don't have to understand his art, but please, spread kindness.
Can you imagine being the editors and publishers of this book and sitting down with the task of looking through all the pictures he's taken and trying to find something that you could fill a massive physical album with…???😂😂😂😂😂
all i can say about this book is that, when you are rich and famous, you can do whatever. maybe in the future well see this as a manifestation of later captalism. i think its terrible tho
can you recommend any good photography books ? i love thos books ❣(not this one) but i am afraid to spendthe money and then be dissapointd..... Love your commentary 🤣🤣
It shows how to live vicariously off family fame while having none of your own! I'm all for people haveing a passion in life, art, gardening, crafting whatever, it's very important to be creative in any way. But most people have to work VERY hard to be published or make a living from it. This is simply using his parents money on a whim and it's a slap in the face to all those genuinely talented people who never get the chance to showcase their creativity. I doubt he'd get very far if he had to get a real job and work hard to achieve something of worth. He's been very lucky in life, which is not a talent, skill, potential, or work ethic.
I am 1:20 m into the video and I think Brooklyn Beckham already won. why? Because he got you talking about him. he got your attention and attention these days is priceless.
There's nothing that frustrates me more in a photo book than negative space. Like it's bad enough that these selfies are just basic mirror selfies, but they're like 20% of the page. Why? Do a triptych, do something else. Use your words.
It’s just a self centred beckham promotional book, you have to understand the family collective IQ still doesn’t make treble figures. Their whole SP is themselves, anyone expecting to see anything apart from self glorification is deluded.
The three same rocks photo is what bothers me about people's posts on Instagram all the time. LEARN HOW TO EDIT Y'ALL!! Putting 3 photos of you in the same pose and just slightly moving your head doesn't make it a completely different image. Just choose the best one. And that blank page drives me insane! A waste of a space. This is awful and makes me angry how people like him are given the easy chance to publish something so effortlessly thrown together while others work so hard just to be noticed and get their great stories and photo books out there. Sad.
Do nepotism babies not have editors? Who approved this? He truly does have some incredible shots, so why were these the ones chosen? It’s like an autobiography assignment of an elementary schooler.
I’d love to pile on this very obvious and blatant display of nepotism and privilege, but someone must have thought this book would make money right? I am not the right demographic for this book, but how famous or popular was he at the time? I mean I’m sure teens/tweens would love to have a book of their favourite “celeb” full of their face back in the 80s/90s ( yeah, I’m old) but surely with insta and the internet in general, there wouldn’t be much appeal now? I’m am genuinely curious to see how many of this book was sold just to see if whether it was worth it for the publishers despite its cringe factor for the people not into him?
There's like what... 400-500 pictures in this book... and 90% of them are a combination of himself, his parents, and his shoes lol. This book is unfathomably bad. Maybe being in my 30s im just too old to understand it lol.
His father is my all time favorite football player (in Europe we call it football because it is played using feet). When I was a teen I have dreamt to cross and kick like he did and I have spent most of the spare time practicing just that. I have heard that his kid has shot some campaign for some company and I have thought that he might be some prodigy using a camera. I guess money gives you that title, even if it is not the case. Hell, I have pictures on my hard drives that nobody other than me have seen and I am 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% positive that are way more interesting and can actually bring some sort of a value in some book than what this copy of Paris Hilton have presented in those pages. One can expect that all that abundance could have brought exceptional education, also from an aesthetic point of view... I guess it is not the case. Traveling around leaves you no time to study. To me it looks like he wants to brag at his fans/followers cost.
This book is basically a physical copy of his Instagram account, there's no other possible explanation.
Or twitter
@@alexandermilanov1411idk, i don't use Twitter, but sure, could be that too.
Literally what I was thinking!! Especially the captions
My favorite thing about his book is that if he was taking a photo book class at uni and submitted that, he would be lucky to get a C
He would probably get a B+ due to the "celebrity" bonus.
not unless they know his dad is famous in which case they'd give him an A+
Would this really make a C grade?
Imagine being that rich, visiting so many places, seeing so many breathtaking landscapes and yet focusing your expensive camera on yourself
He's the reason why as far as I understand it) there were no photogs allowed at recent Spice Girls reunion shows, because he was the official tour photographer to have photos distributed.
Oh...Did you go through his camera roll?
@@maudefindlay3949 His book should be a representation of his best pieces. So in this case we can judge based on that. It is what he chose to show to the world as a photographer
I'm not even mad at the privileged boy, because he has always lived in a bubble, being celebrated for just existing and being pretty... I'm mad at Penguin for giving him all this resources without any criteria for making the book, and then he spent two years making selfies, knowing that doesn't matter if his photos are mediocre he would still get his book.
What's there to be mad about? Penguin are allowed to coin in the money from deluded celeb fans who would have bought the book. Penguin publish lotta culturally important material for little to no reward. Hopefully this was profitable for them.
@@AminTheMystic well... It wasn't profitable. They even took it out from the market.
I can't imagine who would buy this and it's sad they didn't give an actual photographer the opportunity
@@AmyB369 I'd buy it to make fun of it
lmfao. You're sorry for the rich kid
If you have impostor syndrome as photographer, remember that this book exists. Thats the purpose of this book. Thanks brooklyn 😊
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This feels like an elementary school assignment where you bring in pics of your family from vacay and make a “book” to describe each photo😆
Yup.
I love how we all understand exactly why most of the pictures are black and white without even needing to speak a word about it 😂
Почему?
His world is incredibly small for someone with access to everything he could ever want.
ETA: I can't believe our 80s holiday photos took by mum are better than this. And she's big on accidental negative space lol
He could have literally photographed anything anywhere in the world but he chose mirror selfies, I guess he’s kind of a genius since he got money with minimum effort
I'd love to see your mom get a book! Would be so much more interesting.
This was way harder to watch then I thought it be. I’m sorry Jessica it’s not you, it’s the book. It is really, really bad.
nepotism at its best
To be fair, you know the dude could never have a normal life knowing who is his parents. At least, he isnt trying to be musician or soccer player.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 wipes tears with money, boo hoo hoo
@@extinctbaryonyx I didn't say his life was horrible. I am just saying, he wouldn't be allowed to have a normal life.
@@ghostrouxinol6169honestly, that would've been better, it's hard work and his dad couldve trained him as a child.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 His life is as normal and as enabled as it can be and yet. Look at people in poverty, war and famine and you think thats 'normal'?
"shift your body from the mirror... you need to find literally anything else to photograph" lol
I’m going to sound like a hater here. Usually all this nepotism business doesn’t bother me but something about this book does. And it’s not really the subpar photos but the fact it was released as a legitimate photography book. There is so many wonderful photographers out there who could only dream of getting a book deal. They have the passion and want to share that with the world and make money from their craft, yet this guy gets signed so easily and releases this? It kind of feels like a slap in the face. There’s no story here, no substance. And most of the photos are in black and white probably because those are seen as more dynamic I assume. The layout is messy. Why do we need to see a mostly blank white page with only a small black and white mirror selfie? I just don’t understand.
i honestly think they were color photos badly edited to black and white....
The publishers were having a joke but told Brooklyn they wanted it to be serious. And this is what they got - a photographic journal of pure narcissism
Lmao unlocked a memory of this "beautiful" photo of an exit sign I took and posted on my MySpace when I was 14 😅
I thought all my film work was just kind of mediocre…and then I saw what is in this book and I suddenly re-evaluated the quality of my work 😄👍🏼
Seeing his book gives me hope that I can one day become a best selling author 😂
Never give up😁
It’s literally just an Instagram feed lol :p
And not a very good one.
I love the way you can monetize a rich kid's horrible photography. Working class hero in my opinion 😂 keep going!
not enough selfies.
If I was in charge of editing that photobook, i would have culled the images down to one blank page with "Sorry 😢" on it. 😅
He has an expensive camera, so he's a PRO photographer! All those beautiful places, and he takes a selfie. What magnificent work.
And mirror selfie, it's something I thought was cool and artistic when I was 10 years old
Yet again jessica roasting rich people. I love it 😂
Me too...
We are here for her quality content ❤
Believe him when he says “this is what I see!”.
Me, myself and I..
my favourite picture so far is “dinner”. He wrote “it’s out of focus but you can tell there’s a lot going on”.
I’m speechless
I dunno how you make these so funny because the book looks wretched, but these have been hilarious 😂😂
The sad thing is, Jessica, it is not even first class... that's a private plane.. :D
While I agree this book is terrible and should not exist the part about having an empty page is actually very common in most photo books. It allows breathing space for the eye and makes things more visually interesting. Some of my favorite photo books use this layout on almost every page.
The saddest thing is that if you see some pictures, he actually has potential. So I don't understand with all that money, the Beckham's didn't hire a photographer to educate him. They have the money to do that. The main part is that we notice the lad hasn't enough training. The photo of David Beckham his hands has motion blur, because of the lack of skill, but if he putted more effort in it, it could actually be a good picture. Pose the hands symmetrical, the light was already good, maybe in front of the face, use a tripod or monopod etc.
There are moments in the book, that you think: 'Hey, if he wouldn't find his mirror selfies so important, he might be able to create a vision. Selfies aren't even the problem, if he was actually creative with it, instead of acting like 'The old soul in a young body,' while everybody except him already knows he is a kid mentally.
This book screams depression.
Someone please check in on him.
I see the same thing, depression
How?
Are you reposting this or am I having the craziest deja vu?
I love your comments of the pictures of this book. You instantly improved it. 😂😂😂
His book is at least good for this. For photography channels like yours to make content out of it.
You’re right, this should have been marketed differently. Perhaps instead of giving it the introspective title "What I See", perhaps it could have been more realistically titled "My Collection of Selfies" or something like that. also, if the editor would have coax more descriptive text from him, I think it might have been OK. For example, letting us know what he was feeling when he took this selfie, or what he was thinking, or what the location was where he took a selfie and if it had any special meaning. A good editor could have made this book better.
“It’s so cool to see something unexpectedly man made”
“wait until you see pollution” 😂😂
Iv’e commented too many times but I’m almost positive that a lot of these photos actually were instagram stories. I swear i saw that picture of two checkered vans on instagram years ago. Almost positive that the smaller show is Chloe grace moretz.
Just because you CAN take a photo does not make you a photographer.
I love it when she does it but I don't understand what Jessica's saying when she drops in those Arabic words and sentences, however I can sense the saltiness in it. Being annoyed at talentless nepo babies truly is a universal language.
12:17 that’s a private jet seat Jessica private jet …” fIrst ClaSs SEat “ … you kidding ?
3:15 Lol, I see this at every film camera meet. They just take pics of other people's gear and then people taking pictures with their film cameras or selfies of them taking pics with their film cameras.
OMG just one time in first class...the dream of being able to stretch my legs and not be drenched in sweat from the body heat of 70 people stuffed into a cabin the size of a closet.
It annoys me when people just take photos of themselves spending money. Good photos say more than " hey look at me! I'm rich and have a camera!"
He's not the problem, really. The publisher is the problem and anyone who buys it is.
Why are they? People are allowed to buy what they want. Just as you are.
Omg I had the same photo of my vans on my ig when I was 17! That's hilarious
I dont know if he is the most boring guy or if he asked ChatGPT to write his book for him.
Could you review Robert Irwin's photography book? it would be cool to get your thoughts on it.
Were the other "photographers"-I don't know if professional or not (most likely not)-credited in the book? Did you mention in your first book that he "wrote" a book? When he said that I imagined more than an instagram description.
I'm not a fan of the book.
He wasn't blinking! He was just looking extra cool!
I can’t get enough of this series, please do other nepo babies, turns out its entertaining
Also love the parts where u need to break out into arabic because English is just not enough to express the craziness that is that book 😂😂
Keep going habibty
i am so confident to publish my own photography book after watched his book. Mine will be 99% taken from a smartphone and, almost zero selfie 😂
it is clear you hate him lol
Brooklyn: Hey dad I want to make a photography book over the pics we took over the summer even though I have no experience. Oh and I want it done in 3 days.
Yes, part 2🎉 I've been waiting ❤❤
how many pages would you have to tear out to make this a good book ?
I absolutely totally agree with you, Jessica. There could've been sooooo many things that one can see, yet those who happen to buy the book will get this - self-centered monologue with no clue how to write a story or tell one through a series of images 😮
It is just a bubble, an empty bubble 😢
All I see is how brutally poor (not financial sense of word❌) his life is 🤷🏼♂️
I was on a studio and saw a photobook. Chapters were divided by genres of photography. Comparing to this one, I felt more appreciation with the craft and how photographers played with light. Captions were only the names of the respective photographers. As to this one, it's more of a autobiography with some photos in it. You need captions to clearly tell to the readers what's happening in the photo.
I bet, if you had a big bug, his book, would squish it.
No need to crush it, make the bug read it 😂
This so so self indulgent and unrelatable. What art he gona do next? Interpretive dance? Glamour rock? I hope it will not be on a whim and suddenly he’s a professional. Churning out hideous garbage just cos his dad kicked balls and his mum “sang” back up
It's a book of snapshots. At the used bookstore, I see a lot of crappy photo books. This book would fit right in. If it had an unknown's name on it, nobody would pay it any attention.
He got a hardcover book of average photos that EVERYONE has in their albums. Feet by the pool, selfies…. Wtf?
I choose to see it as if he really enjoys the style of photographs he published. It's easy to judge and think that he is untalented and I do think we need to spread more kindness. Brooklyn sure did the best he could at that time, he was 18 when the book was released and with his family boosting his interest in photography maybe made him do some fast decisions in choosing the photographs. Art is strange and we don't have to understand his art, but please, spread kindness.
Nope
Art is shared to be judged
@@-AtomsPhere- I like constructive critique. Not to make fun of someone.
@@miltonkonig that’s fair, however I didn’t find this video that mean spirited. She was reacting to the pictures as they were presented. 🤷🏽
@@-AtomsPhere- I read the comments mostly, and reacted to that, Jessica always has a sense of humor and I understand it now after years of videos. 😌
Can you imagine being the editors and publishers of this book and sitting down with the task of looking through all the pictures he's taken and trying to find something that you could fill a massive physical album with…???😂😂😂😂😂
This is his version of the Shutterfly vacation book that’s meant for you and your family.
6:26 bread with some toast? 🤨 okay but honestly cannot stop laughing this book is so bad 😀
all i can say about this book is that, when you are rich and famous, you can do whatever.
maybe in the future well see this as a manifestation of later captalism.
i think its terrible tho
those elevator mirror selfies taking up so little space on those two pages really upsets me lol
Take a moment to realise that this was after it was proofread/edited. Imagine how bad his first ‘manuscript’ must have been.
Ahh the POV feet photograph. The photography class right of passage for all 14yo high schoolers when I was a kid.
You need to make another video talking about 3 photos you love in Brooklyn Beckahem’s photo book.😂
I would get this book for my studio...to hold up my unstable C-stand to keep it from tipping over
This gives me hope. This kids "work" makes me feel like an actual artist.
can you recommend any good photography books ? i love thos books ❣(not this one) but i am afraid to spendthe money and then be dissapointd.....
Love your commentary 🤣🤣
It shows how to live vicariously off family fame while having none of your own! I'm all for people haveing a passion in life, art, gardening, crafting whatever, it's very important to be creative in any way. But most people have to work VERY hard to be published or make a living from it. This is simply using his parents money on a whim and it's a slap in the face to all those genuinely talented people who never get the chance to showcase their creativity. I doubt he'd get very far if he had to get a real job and work hard to achieve something of worth. He's been very lucky in life, which is not a talent, skill, potential, or work ethic.
darling, its not gla-cia its ga-li-ci-a
I am 1:20 m into the video and I think Brooklyn Beckham already won. why? Because he got you talking about him. he got your attention and attention these days is priceless.
That’s his parents looking at their child’s work and saying “you’re so talented.” And not being objective
There's nothing that frustrates me more in a photo book than negative space. Like it's bad enough that these selfies are just basic mirror selfies, but they're like 20% of the page. Why? Do a triptych, do something else. Use your words.
negative space is an important part of layout... If the page was filled with every inch there is no room for you eye to breathe / take in the photo.
This book only exists, so we can watch you roast it. I can't stoo, I need more
It’s just a self centred beckham promotional book, you have to understand the family collective IQ still doesn’t make treble figures. Their whole SP is themselves, anyone expecting to see anything apart from self glorification is deluded.
That gives me 2010’s Instagram vibes
The three same rocks photo is what bothers me about people's posts on Instagram all the time. LEARN HOW TO EDIT Y'ALL!! Putting 3 photos of you in the same pose and just slightly moving your head doesn't make it a completely different image. Just choose the best one. And that blank page drives me insane! A waste of a space. This is awful and makes me angry how people like him are given the easy chance to publish something so effortlessly thrown together while others work so hard just to be noticed and get their great stories and photo books out there. Sad.
I love your humor. Its hilarious.
a collection of pictures that should be on his IG, not on the book
luckily, he is a Beckham with all of his parent's connections, influence, and money
Masterful use of negative space on those pages at 1:38.
I'm hoping one day you'll publish a book of your work bc i would definitely get it 😊
This book reads like a hardcopy of his IG, "deep" captions and everything
9:48 اخ بجد هذا اللي يقهرك انه عنده مصاري وعنده كل الامكانيات وكل الدعم والتوجيه بالنهايه هذي النتيجه؟ ما عنده عذر لهاي النتيجه اللي تفشل 🤨
He's feeling himself with this book😂
Do nepotism babies not have editors? Who approved this?
He truly does have some incredible shots, so why were these the ones chosen? It’s like an autobiography assignment of an elementary schooler.
What bothers me is there’s no real thesis to the book.
I’d love to pile on this very obvious and blatant display of nepotism and privilege, but someone must have thought this book would make money right? I am not the right demographic for this book, but how famous or popular was he at the time? I mean I’m sure teens/tweens would love to have a book of their favourite “celeb” full of their face back in the 80s/90s ( yeah, I’m old) but surely with insta and the internet in general, there wouldn’t be much appeal now? I’m am genuinely curious to see how many of this book was sold just to see if whether it was worth it for the publishers despite its cringe factor for the people not into him?
He doesn’t deserve to call himself a photographer. He was able to put out that book because of his last name and nothing more.
2:55 - 3:00 exactly my thoughts as well and i think he got it from his mama...
Lmao crazy book. Anyway I love your earrings and nails in this!!! ❤
There's like what... 400-500 pictures in this book... and 90% of them are a combination of himself, his parents, and his shoes lol. This book is unfathomably bad. Maybe being in my 30s im just too old to understand it lol.
His father is my all time favorite football player (in Europe we call it football because it is played using feet). When I was a teen I have dreamt to cross and kick like he did and I have spent most of the spare time practicing just that. I have heard that his kid has shot some campaign for some company and I have thought that he might be some prodigy using a camera. I guess money gives you that title, even if it is not the case. Hell, I have pictures on my hard drives that nobody other than me have seen and I am 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% positive that are way more interesting and can actually bring some sort of a value in some book than what this copy of Paris Hilton have presented in those pages. One can expect that all that abundance could have brought exceptional education, also from an aesthetic point of view... I guess it is not the case. Traveling around leaves you no time to study. To me it looks like he wants to brag at his fans/followers cost.
Hahahahaha, I just love your BS allergy and saltiness: well done you!
Brooklyn is only interested in himself. He gets that from his parents. They are all obsessed with their own images. Vaccuous
How to unsee this :(
such a waste of paper
"so is pollution" had me crack up xD
Good, good... was waiting for this one... :)