Cheers and good question! I use Screwfix own brand (QuickSilver, TurboGold etc.) and know from experience that Spax & Reisser are good. Also heard good things about ForgeFast, FandF, Screw-Tite, Ulti-Mate II, Vida (Ironmongery Direct), TIMco. I was also sent a bunch of TurboQuik screws but haven't had a chance to test them. I'll pin this post and anyone can add anything I've missed, also would be useful to have brands for different countries too! 👍👊
I like Goldscrew plus, but silverscrew are fab speshly with wallplugs. . The thing that I have found with Stainless, is they are (generally) softer, the head can chew up, or they may shear when driving them in.
Very good point about the crap that comes with bought stuff for mounting - in the bin, including the plastic plugs, immediately! I build camper vans - I use A2 stainless (Torx, 'natch) because the vans tend to go to coastal spots and it's a marketing point for me. Of course, they're a PITA because their not magnetic and won't stick to the bit, plus they are not keen on being driven in with an impact driver. Horses for courses! I even use stainless rivnuts and washers ;-)
I came to this video because my daughter brought me a screw left in the garden. I'd not used that type of screw for over a year. It was a Screwfix Turbo Gold and it was immaculate. Couldn't believe it because I'd been flapping about not having a few outdoor screws left for a job.
‘Never go back to using cheap screws again’. So true. Though I have made the mistake of trying to explain this to clients. Best to not let oneself be seen throwing away the screws that came with the item.
I wonder if perhaps the results may have been different if the screws were mounted, for instance, in decking boards horizontally on the ground and liable to puddling round the heads. Interesting results thou, I usually use Screwfix Ultra stainless screws for gate hinges / locks etc but they are pricey and brittle and will often snap on removal after they have been in a while. I keep most of Screwfix's screws on my van so I think I might try some gold or turbo ones on my next gate or fence fit, thanks for the video.
Great video. The challenge with decking screws is they get the worst of it, water sitting in and around them. 5yr old decking screws are not that shiny, even the good ones
I've never had an issue with the black phosphate coated drywall screws outdoors. I temporarily (about 5 years ago) put a fence up with them as I have an abundance of them and they're still fine
I've always used those yellow zinc drywall screws on my own fencing. No issues apart from the odd one or two that snapped from a few badly warped palings.
If it isn't gonna move, support a load etc, drywals are cheep drive well just brittle. I use em for load of stuff. Worktops, boxwork, skirting, if I have any left some times plasterboard. They go up to 100mm 4", end on in mdf they are great as they are thin shank.
Ooh, we do like yarning about screws. We tend to mill and use a lot of green Oak, Sweet Chestnut, Larch, Doug Fir, Western Red Cedar, and they'll all destroy a lightly plated screw very rapidly and leave that tasteful blue-black tannin stain. There's a lovely old boat building and roofing term which is 'nail sickness' when the timber of a structure is sound, but the fixings have turned ropey and the whole lot is condemned well before it's time is due. The other thing to watch is that there has been a poorly publicised change in treated timber that really affects fixings. The change from CCA treatment (Copper Chrome Arsenic) to ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) replaced some nasty/good chemicals in CCA with a highly acidic environment in ACQ that should rot fixings if applied to any depth. Any of the Paslode perverts banging treated timber together with bright or electroplate nails should really be using Hot Dip Galvanised or other class 3 fixings as a minimum.
Great video! I have had really bad experiences with screws in horizontal decking - where the screw head is sitting below water for a long time, in a countersunk hole. The screw head and body rust making removal a real pain. So I tried Spax Wirox T20 screws and have never looked back: on a deck I did 8 years ago I can still remove any of the screws with ease!
I've been caught out with cheap unbranded decking screws from the local (then independent) builders merchant. Used in constructing raised beds, they didn't last long - corroded heads and snapped. They looked like those green ones you showed. I've used ordinary Spax on galvanised gate furniture over 5 years ago - still good. We're in Wales and it's wet ! Nice and informative as usual Andy, good luck with the house hunting.
Observation: the part of the screw that is buried in the wood is rusting becuase it's in constant contact with the moisture retained in the wood, the exposed parts of those screws didn't because they got wet and then air dried. Bit of a long(!) experiment to see how long before they rust proper and become brittle! 10? 15? years..
I am a plumber and tend to use the quicksilver brand for most purposes. They seem to be good for most purposes except for fixing sanitary ware like toilets to the floor. Then I go with brass screws.
Only things Id worry about would be staining and even with small amounts of rust it can sometimes weaken the timber around the fixing and in turn weaken the hold. Depending on the job it could cause something to fall down. Probably not but better to be safe in some circumstances.
I'd be more concerned about 10-20 years later for a deck. What would you expect that surface rust to do over another 5-15 years? Also, decks tend to be horizontal, not vertical. Those screws in the post were in open air with no area to trap/collect water, and exposed to sunlight to dry them out. It was the absolute best case scenario for outdoor fasteners. What would happen if you screw two boards together, oversink the screw heads, and put the assembly, screw heads up, flat on the ground, exposed to irrigation and rain but mostly hidden from the sun?
I made a deck ramp using Wickes green deck screws, 4 months later had to pull it apart and change it around and some of them had rusted which surprised me.
Hi Andy A big thing in corrosion is equal exposure to oxygen. It’s the boundaries where the rust typically occurs. e.g. a the tiny rust ring around a water droplet I think you’ve hit on the important principle: a quality item will stand up to the rigors where a poor one will not. Stay well in lockdown, kind regards from Canberra Mark
Twas I who asked, thanks, this is an interesting experiment! It's often when I come to replace guttering which has been fixed up with regular screws, I notice the heads are rusted away. I couldn't really say reliably what screws were used or how long ago though.
Nice video Andy, good to know that all the odd screws we gather up over the years will be ok to put towards some outdoor maintenance or projects. also glad I know someone who plays farming simulator other than myself (34) and 9 year old son!
Hi Andy, surprising results for relatively inexpensive plated screws. It might have been different if you'd screwed them into oak. With the tannic acid in oak, you may well have seen a different result. You mentioned stainless steel screws. Again, buy the best quality you can afford. I've found cheap stainless screws can be a little soft.
Hi Tafnadd, I guess it does somewhat depend on what you want them for. For example, while Ebay suppliers say they are A2 (sometimes A4) grade, when they come in a zip lock bag with a scribbled label, who knows what you've got. If it's important, ask the supplier where the fasteners come from, how they identify the material grade and if there are any markings on them. I guess like most things, you get what you pay for.
I have had screws snap when moving a small picket fence I made, due to corrosion I believe after around 5 yrs. I now use proper stainless screws for my own jobs
You gotta remember screws are hardend, thin ones are brittle if wiggled, not as brittle as drywall but close. Sometimes galved nails are the way to go. And if you drill the holes, they won't budge.
Just for interest, I build a shed in july and used the new 16g brad nailer I got of ebay, used galvanised Brad's. Now I'd read the heads can rust but they actually do. So dont know why they can be galv and rust. Must be dirt quality? So I'll pay for the stainless Brad's I've seen for future stuff to see if they are rust free. Love the brad nailer too.
The screwfix ones your using I have never has a problem with them, after all that's how they started their business. They are cheep and good. Spax are overpriced but better. The turbo gold and quick silver head polish up quite nice with a bit of tcut on mdf edge and chucked up in the drill. If you want a strong chrome or brass looking screw. I used to do it in the curtain trade.
A screw in horizontal decking is subjected to a lot more moisture than a screw in a horizontal application, for starters the screw head on a deck screw is submerged when wet as we countersink them.
Indeed - all true! Still think these would be fine - see my vid where I left them underwater for ages... but obviously use proper decking screws made by a decent brand if possible. 👍
You get what you pay for, I use either Screwfix or Tool Station screws, I have used Spax stainless steel decking screws and they are excellent but so is the price.
I always use turbo gold inside and out they have been used on outdoor products.....one project i used it for 10 years ago and just taken it to bits still like new.....quality
Ha ha! We used to separate out the glass... then noticed them tipping the glass in to the main bin before loading it in the truck, so seemed a bit pointless. Probably all ends up in landfill. 😂😢
I'm looking to fix some external timber cladding (probably Irish Larch) to a block garden wall via battens. From a bit of research on external cladding, a lot of decent sites say to use Stainless Steel screws (probably 304 version as they better suited but also more expensive). Just wondering if you think that's overkill or what you'd use to avoid staining after a few years on the timber cladding post-install. Thanks (I don't have a nail gun hence going screws)
So a few wax coated screws driven partway and left outside but put under basically no stress started to show signs of rusting after a few years where the wax was roughed up by the wood? I dunno man, most of the screws I drive actually do some work. That little bit of rust would be a whole lot worse if there was actual stress on the screws.
The normal screws have held up but if I was putting decks down I'd buy proper decking screws because the deck would be layed down for decades and puddles on the deck but for normal outside use these are perfect for most outdoor projects like benches or like sheds or whatever
So I use a lot of Turbo Golds, like them a lot, but decided to use the stainless steel version in a wet room 10 years ago (at cost). The shower valve failed recently and to replace the valve I had to remove the tiles and AquaPanel board that was held in with both types of turbo gold normal and Stainless. Stainless steel turbo golds had no corrosion, normal ones had minor corrosion. However, the stainless steel ones were very difficult to drive out and heads and shaft often failed before I could remove them from the aqua panel. Out came the reciprocating saw :(. The normal ones drove out fine without any failure of the head or shaft, despite slight corrosion. Both were size 5 at 60mm into softwood frame. Nice video and surprised how well your outdoor test turned out for all the screws!
That follows the metallurgy. SS generally work hardens, different grades have different problems. So its not unusual for the heads to break off perfectly sound SS screws at a torque that would be no problem on a normal steel screw. So if you plan to remove a SS screw then use low torque and beware fixings where the tread may get trapped in swollen timber etc. Or use a steel screw with sound pretreatment - passivating is not enough, especially in Oak or Accoya. In Accoya, use the specialist screws sold by the hardware makers for the purpose - these are treated steel, not SS.
I have just found your channel so i hope its ok to ask , where is the cheapest place to get screw from,i am about to line out a garage with 4/2, and insulate it plus faceboard it with ply or si,ilar for a games room,But i have noticed the price of them is amazing and i am going to need several hundred.
It is! They're awesome. Worth picking a few up if they're at a good price. I'm sure I paid about £10 each for mine. The Screwfix BOGOF deal looks good! 👍
Great content 👍 Personally I rarely use special screws for outside projects. The only type I found more vulnerable to weather conditions is the black drywall screw. (Am I seeing a Greek island in the photos ? Simi island maybe ?)
Id say if you're doing it for yourself you can be a bit more practical. You don't have to follow the rule by every word. The most important thing is to use fasteners according to what kind of lifetime you want to see, and expect. If you're putting up panel on a house I'd use the proper coated screws in expectation that the panel should last maybe 40-50 years. Are you in a inland climate or marine environment? Is it going into treated or untreated wood? Will it be painted? Is it structural? How much will it be exposed to water? Will all of the screw be hidden in wood, or could water condense on it? I remember working in industries where you will barely even find electrolyte-dipped fasteners. Mostly they use stainless steel or galvanized fasteners. However when I started to work for a welder in a inland climate I noticed he was much more practical about grade fasteners.
I wish you had included other screws like drywall, cheap, and your hated posi-drive to see how they faired against the other screws. I would suggest putting them in now and waiting another five years, but at 69 I don't think I will still be around by then. About the weather, I live down the road from you in Stockton-on-tees, and so far this year I am considering trading in my car for a canoe.
I found some poz screws (from IKEA!) and wow, i really prefer those to torx. One bit to rule them all. They would also stick on the bit making life much easier. I'll have to hunt more down or order online. Was the wood impregnated? I love these videos! Thanks :)
@@leonk.1031 How do you mean Wûrth? The torx i use are from 10 to .. 30, sometimes 40. Usually i have three different sizes. What one bit can sort that out? Or does Würth sell screws of different sizes but with only one size on the torx?
Sleepydog all Common screw sizes except for the really large ones come in one bit size and they fit pretty tight if you use their bits but if You’re in GB you should know Würth
If these screws can last that long outdoors unprotected, I want to know why my £20 bicycle chain (stored inside the house) started surface corroding the first time I gave it a proper wash and left it to dry...
@@UberAlphaSirus I sure did do it improperly :p The chain had ingested a lot of mud and grit which when combined with the oil turned into a paste and had then dried. I used diluted isopropyl alcohol rather than proper chain degreaser since its all I had to hand at the time, then gave it a full rinse with water. However, I wiped it down with paper towels afterwards to try limit the opportunities for problems (I'm not a complete monster). But its a mountain bike chain in the UK, its going to get wet often and I had hoped it would have coped with that. In the end the chain still seems to function fine, so I guess it worked out. Even if it does have some small solid patches of shiny brown surface corrosion (almost looks like plating tbh).
Maybe put them back in and report back in 2025? I'd like to see if that rusty one is somewhat shorter then, now that it's passivation coating is well and truly gone. :)
Christ, I must have alzheimers! I wouldn't even remember that I'd put the bloody things there five years ago. In fact I'd be saying to my wife, "look at this some git has put five screws into our fence"...Yep, guess I'm screwed.
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Hey. Great video. Thanks. What are decent brands in your opinion?
Cheers and good question! I use Screwfix own brand (QuickSilver, TurboGold etc.) and know from experience that Spax & Reisser are good. Also heard good things about ForgeFast, FandF, Screw-Tite, Ulti-Mate II, Vida (Ironmongery Direct), TIMco. I was also sent a bunch of TurboQuik screws but haven't had a chance to test them. I'll pin this post and anyone can add anything I've missed, also would be useful to have brands for different countries too! 👍👊
Thanks for you clarification!! Really appreciated!!
@@GosforthHandyman You forgot nails, I like nails!
I like Goldscrew plus, but silverscrew are fab speshly with wallplugs. . The thing that I have found with Stainless, is they are (generally) softer, the head can chew up, or they may shear when driving them in.
Brian newton Thanks, Brian!
Very good point about the crap that comes with bought stuff for mounting - in the bin, including the plastic plugs, immediately! I build camper vans - I use A2 stainless (Torx, 'natch) because the vans tend to go to coastal spots and it's a marketing point for me. Of course, they're a PITA because their not magnetic and won't stick to the bit, plus they are not keen on being driven in with an impact driver. Horses for courses! I even use stainless rivnuts and washers ;-)
Defo worth it for something like that. 👍
I came to this video because my daughter brought me a screw left in the garden. I'd not used that type of screw for over a year. It was a Screwfix Turbo Gold and it was immaculate. Couldn't believe it because I'd been flapping about not having a few outdoor screws left for a job.
‘Never go back to using cheap screws again’. So true. Though I have made the mistake of trying to explain this to clients. Best to not let oneself be seen throwing away the screws that came with the item.
I wonder if perhaps the results may have been different if the screws were mounted, for instance, in decking boards horizontally on the ground and liable to puddling round the heads. Interesting results thou, I usually use Screwfix Ultra stainless screws for gate hinges / locks etc but they are pricey and brittle and will often snap on removal after they have been in a while. I keep most of Screwfix's screws on my van so I think I might try some gold or turbo ones on my next gate or fence fit, thanks for the video.
Yup - give them a test and see how you get on! These seemed to perform really well. 👍
Omg
I am in awe of your methodology.
I just can't get enough of
Hardware!
Always learning
Thank you for teaching😁
Great video. The challenge with decking screws is they get the worst of it, water sitting in and around them. 5yr old decking screws are not that shiny, even the good ones
Some of the big boxes sold by the big stores are terrible quality too. 👍
I’ve always been more concerned about the screw corroding than breaking. The corrosion leaks down the siding or trim and stains.
Defo - seen that on some poor quality screws that seem to rust straight away. 👍
Stainless steel
Well well, thanks for doing this experiment! They turned out better than i expected! WOW!
I've never had an issue with the black phosphate coated drywall screws outdoors. I temporarily (about 5 years ago) put a fence up with them as I have an abundance of them and they're still fine
I must admit I haven't tested those outdoors, I'll give them a try at some point! Trouble is they're generally Phillips. 😂😢
I've always used those yellow zinc drywall screws on my own fencing. No issues apart from the odd one or two that snapped from a few badly warped palings.
If it isn't gonna move, support a load etc, drywals are cheep drive well just brittle. I use em for load of stuff. Worktops, boxwork, skirting, if I have any left some times plasterboard. They go up to 100mm 4", end on in mdf they are great as they are thin shank.
Gosforth Handyman Phillips are always trouble ➕
It’s only temporary if it doesn’t work
Ooh, we do like yarning about screws. We tend to mill and use a lot of green Oak, Sweet Chestnut, Larch, Doug Fir, Western Red Cedar, and they'll all destroy a lightly plated screw very rapidly and leave that tasteful blue-black tannin stain.
There's a lovely old boat building and roofing term which is 'nail sickness' when the timber of a structure is sound, but the fixings have turned ropey and the whole lot is condemned well before it's time is due.
The other thing to watch is that there has been a poorly publicised change in treated timber that really affects fixings. The change from CCA treatment (Copper Chrome Arsenic) to ACQ (Alkaline Copper Quaternary) replaced some nasty/good chemicals in CCA with a highly acidic environment in ACQ that should rot fixings if applied to any depth. Any of the Paslode perverts banging treated timber together with bright or electroplate nails should really be using Hot Dip Galvanised or other class 3 fixings as a minimum.
Great video! I have had really bad experiences with screws in horizontal decking - where the screw head is sitting below water for a long time, in a countersunk hole. The screw head and body rust making removal a real pain. So I tried Spax Wirox T20 screws and have never looked back: on a deck I did 8 years ago I can still remove any of the screws with ease!
I've been caught out with cheap unbranded decking screws from the local (then independent) builders merchant. Used in constructing raised beds, they didn't last long - corroded heads and snapped. They looked like those green ones you showed. I've used ordinary Spax on galvanised gate furniture over 5 years ago - still good. We're in Wales and it's wet ! Nice and informative as usual Andy, good luck with the house hunting.
Yup - I've had similar problems with decking screws! Cheers Norman! 👍👊
Observation: the part of the screw that is buried in the wood is rusting becuase it's in constant contact with the moisture retained in the wood, the exposed parts of those screws didn't because they got wet and then air dried. Bit of a long(!) experiment to see how long before they rust proper and become brittle! 10? 15? years..
Indeed! May continue this... 👍😂
For outdoor applications I always use Spax A2 stainless steel screws. Never had any problems with it.
Getting a little obsessed with handyman videos now, might need help. Thank you for feeding my addiction :D
Ha ha - no worries! 👍😂
I am a plumber and tend to use the quicksilver brand for most purposes. They seem to be good for most purposes except for fixing sanitary ware like toilets to the floor. Then I go with brass screws.
Only things Id worry about would be staining and even with small amounts of rust it can sometimes weaken the timber around the fixing and in turn weaken the hold. Depending on the job it could cause something to fall down. Probably not but better to be safe in some circumstances.
Used some screws for a little build.
Years later realised their were "outdoor" screws !
Checked mine, nothing wrong with any of them.
I'd be more concerned about 10-20 years later for a deck. What would you expect that surface rust to do over another 5-15 years? Also, decks tend to be horizontal, not vertical. Those screws in the post were in open air with no area to trap/collect water, and exposed to sunlight to dry them out. It was the absolute best case scenario for outdoor fasteners. What would happen if you screw two boards together, oversink the screw heads, and put the assembly, screw heads up, flat on the ground, exposed to irrigation and rain but mostly hidden from the sun?
See my other test where I left them underwater for ages, but I wouldn't use these screws for decking. 👍
I made a deck ramp using Wickes green deck screws, 4 months later had to pull it apart and change it around and some of them had rusted which surprised me.
Yup - I've had rust issues with Wickes decking screws too - was a while ago though. 👍👊
I've just bought some Heavy Duty Cranked Hook & Ride Hinges 600mm , binned the screws , replaced with m6 stainless steel coach screws .
Hi Andy
A big thing in corrosion is equal exposure to oxygen. It’s the boundaries where the rust typically occurs. e.g. a the tiny rust ring around a water droplet
I think you’ve hit on the important principle: a quality item will stand up to the rigors where a poor one will not.
Stay well in lockdown, kind regards from Canberra
Mark
Twas I who asked, thanks, this is an interesting experiment! It's often when I come to replace guttering which has been fixed up with regular screws, I notice the heads are rusted away. I couldn't really say reliably what screws were used or how long ago though.
Great stuff and thank you for the question! These should be fine for guttering. 👍
"Like chalk and cheese" I tried chalk sandwiches but have stuck with cheese ever since I gave it a whirl!
Cheesy. 😆
Nice video Andy, good to know that all the odd screws we gather up over the years will be ok to put towards some outdoor maintenance or projects. also glad I know someone who plays farming simulator other than myself (34) and 9 year old son!
Fantastic stuff - similar here with my son! (but a bit older) 😂👍
Just proves that northern screws are harder than soft southern screws Andy ! 😆
Gonna miss the podcast btw .
nothing wrong with southern screw its how they are made
😂😂👍
Speaking from the moist left side of the North, I’m not sure Northern screws are any harder but they are definitely colder, rougher and wetter.
Hi Andy, surprising results for relatively inexpensive plated screws. It might have been different if you'd screwed them into oak. With the tannic acid in oak, you may well have seen a different result. You mentioned stainless steel screws. Again, buy the best quality you can afford. I've found cheap stainless screws can be a little soft.
Hi Steve, what Stainless Screws do you recommend? Pls.
Hi Tafnadd, I guess it does somewhat depend on what you want them for. For example, while Ebay suppliers say they are A2 (sometimes A4) grade, when they come in a zip lock bag with a scribbled label, who knows what you've got. If it's important, ask the supplier where the fasteners come from, how they identify the material grade and if there are any markings on them. I guess like most things, you get what you pay for.
Yup - wise words. I might do a proper test of these screws in Oak. 👍
I have had screws snap when moving a small picket fence I made, due to corrosion I believe after around 5 yrs. I now use proper stainless screws for my own jobs
No harm in using stainless but these screws I tested are fine. 👍
You gotta remember screws are hardend, thin ones are brittle if wiggled, not as brittle as drywall but close. Sometimes galved nails are the way to go. And if you drill the holes, they won't budge.
Just for interest, I build a shed in july and used the new 16g brad nailer I got of ebay, used galvanised Brad's. Now I'd read the heads can rust but they actually do. So dont know why they can be galv and rust. Must be dirt quality? So I'll pay for the stainless Brad's I've seen for future stuff to see if they are rust free. Love the brad nailer too.
The screwfix ones your using I have never has a problem with them, after all that's how they started their business. They are cheep and good. Spax are overpriced but better. The turbo gold and quick silver head polish up quite nice with a bit of tcut on mdf edge and chucked up in the drill. If you want a strong chrome or brass looking screw. I used to do it in the curtain trade.
Indeed! I'd love to know where they're actually made. Just says 'Screws Ltd' on the box I think (a subsidiary of Screwfix). 👍
A screw in horizontal decking is subjected to a lot more moisture than a screw in a horizontal application, for starters the screw head on a deck screw is submerged when wet as we countersink them.
Lee Hackett think you mean vertical for the second one ☝️
@@oneflymanflies4924 I'm afraid not no, the first part refers to horizontal decking, the second one horizontal screws.
Indeed - all true! Still think these would be fine - see my vid where I left them underwater for ages... but obviously use proper decking screws made by a decent brand if possible. 👍
You get what you pay for, I use either Screwfix or Tool Station screws, I have used Spax stainless steel decking screws and they are excellent but so is the price.
Yup - Spax screws are made in Germany. Not sure where Screwfix and ToolStation screws are made. 👍
When I was young I accidentally used zinc plated screws for a picket fence.. ten years later still holding up. Weird right?
I always use turbo gold inside and out they have been used on outdoor products.....one project i used it for 10 years ago and just taken it to bits still like new.....quality
Blimey, Andy. Down here in Mid-Devon we have to separate out all the recycling. You've got it easy up there, but maybe a bit wetter!
Ha ha! We used to separate out the glass... then noticed them tipping the glass in to the main bin before loading it in the truck, so seemed a bit pointless. Probably all ends up in landfill. 😂😢
Which to use for bathroom door hinge that gets rusty due to poor ventilation
Very usefully information. Thanks for the real world test.
No worries Dennis! 👍
I'm looking to fix some external timber cladding (probably Irish Larch) to a block garden wall via battens. From a bit of research on external cladding, a lot of decent sites say to use Stainless Steel screws (probably 304 version as they better suited but also more expensive). Just wondering if you think that's overkill or what you'd use to avoid staining after a few years on the timber cladding post-install. Thanks (I don't have a nail gun hence going screws)
I need to replace a gate 15 yrs old. Black Japanned screws dont look too hopeful for getting out
So a few wax coated screws driven partway and left outside but put under basically no stress started to show signs of rusting after a few years where the wax was roughed up by the wood? I dunno man, most of the screws I drive actually do some work. That little bit of rust would be a whole lot worse if there was actual stress on the screws.
Bear in mind wax on screws is for lubrication, not for corrosion protection. These are zinc plated. 👍
The normal screws have held up but if I was putting decks down I'd buy proper decking screws because the deck would be layed down for decades and puddles on the deck but for normal outside use these are perfect for most outdoor projects like benches or like sheds or whatever
Oh defo, but the point is that decent normal screws are probably better than cheap decking screws that rust to hell in a matter of weeks. 👍
So I use a lot of Turbo Golds, like them a lot, but decided to use the stainless steel version in a wet room 10 years ago (at cost). The shower valve failed recently and to replace the valve I had to remove the tiles and AquaPanel board that was held in with both types of turbo gold normal and Stainless. Stainless steel turbo golds had no corrosion, normal ones had minor corrosion. However, the stainless steel ones were very difficult to drive out and heads and shaft often failed before I could remove them from the aqua panel. Out came the reciprocating saw :(. The normal ones drove out fine without any failure of the head or shaft, despite slight corrosion. Both were size 5 at 60mm into softwood frame. Nice video and surprised how well your outdoor test turned out for all the screws!
Interesting, stainless could be more brittle, regardless of whether new or old?
That follows the metallurgy. SS generally work hardens, different grades have different problems. So its not unusual for the heads to break off perfectly sound SS screws at a torque that would be no problem on a normal steel screw. So if you plan to remove a SS screw then use low torque and beware fixings where the tread may get trapped in swollen timber etc. Or use a steel screw with sound pretreatment - passivating is not enough, especially in Oak or Accoya. In Accoya, use the specialist screws sold by the hardware makers for the purpose - these are treated steel, not SS.
Useful to know - cheers for the info! 👍
Aren't the coated decking screws resistant to the pressure treated timber chemicals?
Hi Andy as ever brilliant video most informative
Steve
Cheers Steve! 👍
I have just found your channel so i hope its ok to ask , where is the cheapest place to get screw from,i am about to line out a garage with 4/2, and insulate it plus faceboard it with ply or si,ilar for a games room,But i have noticed the price of them is amazing and i am going to need several hundred.
.... I like that method of recycling.
Hate this different bin crap that I've been subject too.
Now try that test up in consett!
Easily understood test with useful results. What kind of wood and treatment were the screws originally driven into?
Just a treated fence post. 👍
Nice experiment
Thank you Tahir - took a while! 😂👍
Exactly the video I need!
No worries! 👍
hi, what is the coating for golden or silver screw? is it zinc plated?
Is that the Stanley storage tote? How are you getting on with it? Currently on offer at Screwfix.
It is! They're awesome. Worth picking a few up if they're at a good price. I'm sure I paid about £10 each for mine. The Screwfix BOGOF deal looks good! 👍
Great content 👍 Personally I rarely use special screws for outside projects. The only type I found more vulnerable to weather conditions is the black drywall screw.
(Am I seeing a Greek island in the photos ? Simi island maybe ?)
Cheers Stamatis! Well spotted - that certainly was Symi! Beautiful island. Wish I could visit more often! 👍👊
I think you should put these outside for another 5 years when you move house.
Lol I might do! 😂👍
I think you should take the fence with you too!
Why did you speed up the cleaning of the screws? You know I LOVE watching you clean up.
Lol... next time... 😂
decking screws are ok going in but can be a nightmare getting them back out once been in a while
Indeed - had some where the heads just snap off. 😢👍
Iteresting video.
Thanks for sharing!
No worries!
i screwed some screws in my fence many years ago and they are still in now i,m going to spend some time burning them out thanks to last two storms.
Andy I’m a fan of the forge fast tool station screws wouldn’t mind your thoughts on them or a review .... plus I’m tx over pz man myself 😜
I'm having a screw-buying amnesty! 👍😂
Gosforth Handyman no buying I will send you one ( I’m not made of money mind )
Id say if you're doing it for yourself you can be a bit more practical. You don't have to follow the rule by every word. The most important thing is to use fasteners according to what kind of lifetime you want to see, and expect. If you're putting up panel on a house I'd use the proper coated screws in expectation that the panel should last maybe 40-50 years.
Are you in a inland climate or marine environment?
Is it going into treated or untreated wood?
Will it be painted?
Is it structural?
How much will it be exposed to water?
Will all of the screw be hidden in wood, or could water condense on it?
I remember working in industries where you will barely even find electrolyte-dipped fasteners. Mostly they use stainless steel or galvanized fasteners. However when I started to work for a welder in a inland climate I noticed he was much more practical about grade fasteners.
Yup - this is just about general purpose use but defo. research for the individual scenario. 👍
I wish you had included other screws like drywall, cheap, and your hated posi-drive to see how they faired against the other screws. I would suggest putting them in now and waiting another five years, but at 69 I don't think I will still be around by then. About the weather, I live down the road from you in Stockton-on-tees, and so far this year I am considering trading in my car for a canoe.
Ha yeah, I'm ready for Spring like! I might continue the test after we've moved. 😂👍
Thank you for this
No worries Richard! 👍
03:48 What a PT!
I found some poz screws (from IKEA!) and wow, i really prefer those to torx. One bit to rule them all. They would also stick on the bit making life much easier. I'll have to hunt more down or order online.
Was the wood impregnated?
I love these videos! Thanks :)
Sleepydog No Torx is better, better fit, if you use Würth it’s really one biz to rule them all not with PZ
It's down to personal preference really. I also prefer Pozi. PZ2 is all I need for every screw in my common screws box. 👍
@@leonk.1031 How do you mean Wûrth? The torx i use are from 10 to .. 30, sometimes 40. Usually i have three different sizes. What one bit can sort that out? Or does Würth sell screws of different sizes but with only one size on the torx?
Sleepydog all Common screw sizes except for the really large ones come in one bit size and they fit pretty tight if you use their bits but if You’re in GB you should know Würth
@@leonk.1031 Not in GB but i see they at least have a website ending with .se so it's possible to order from there. Ill see if i can find it. Thanks!
Can you reinstall them outside for a few more years?
Might do after we've moved! 👍
Great video.
Cheers Michael! 👍👊
The little spiders are now searching for their screw-shaped Moai.
I know - bless 'em! 😂👍
Only one thing left to do with those screw then… pop ‘em back in for another 5 years!
I live near the coast and normal screws just don't last in the salty corrosive atmosphere.
The biggest problem with screws is people using bloody plasterboard screws outside for stuff! Philip head and rusty!
Your voice sounds like a football (soccer) announcer 😂. Thought I was watching sports for a bit there.
"just one more video" ahahahah yeah right! I look forward to the next video about screws!
Lol... yeah, watch this space. 😂
Ikea police are coming to your house now to collect that bag.
Lol - is that not a bought one?? It's very old... and sticky. 😂😂
By the time a screw rusts in a fence job I’ve already drank the money and survived the Coronavirus 😬
Golden Rule: If it's outdoors use galvies (galvanized Hardwear
If these screws can last that long outdoors unprotected, I want to know why my £20 bicycle chain (stored inside the house) started surface corroding the first time I gave it a proper wash and left it to dry...
it's called flash rust. Your doing it wrong..
@@UberAlphaSirus I sure did do it improperly :p The chain had ingested a lot of mud and grit which when combined with the oil turned into a paste and had then dried. I used diluted isopropyl alcohol rather than proper chain degreaser since its all I had to hand at the time, then gave it a full rinse with water. However, I wiped it down with paper towels afterwards to try limit the opportunities for problems (I'm not a complete monster). But its a mountain bike chain in the UK, its going to get wet often and I had hoped it would have coped with that.
In the end the chain still seems to function fine, so I guess it worked out. Even if it does have some small solid patches of shiny brown surface corrosion (almost looks like plating tbh).
Easy solution, don't wash it. 😂😉
@@GosforthHandyman If only xD
Bottom line.... when screwing outside you should have no problem unless your neighbor takes a fence. Sorry. Thanks Andy!
Hi Bud, bang em back in and leave em for another 5
Might do after I've moved! 👍
Excelente,
"One last video"
Sounds like the words of an addict! 🤔🤣🤣🤣
Didn't expect that result. 👍🏽
Lol I know, I need to stop talking about screws now. 😂
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yes live stream and gate swinging...
Lol... there's a niche channel! 😂
Another screw video!! Screw it I'm going to watch it any way
Lol... this should by my last for a while. 😂
Maybe put them back in and report back in 2025? I'd like to see if that rusty one is somewhat shorter then, now that it's passivation coating is well and truly gone. :)
Might do! 👍😂
And not one robbie in the lot. Seeing nothing but phillips made me cringe.
This whole thing is a bit screwy.
wait what ?....farming simulator 19?........good grief!! .....why when there's drying paint to watch ?
Try it! 😂👍😂
Christ, I must have alzheimers! I wouldn't even remember that I'd put the bloody things there five years ago. In fact I'd be saying to my wife, "look at this some git has put five screws into our fence"...Yep, guess I'm screwed.
Lol, well I did nearly forget about them but as we're moving house... 😂👍