The problem in 1994 is that the mass monster era had been introduced the year before, everyone was expecting these guys to all come in with comparable size to match Dorian's 1993 showing. Ray looks pretty much objectively better overall in terms of aesthetic, symmetry and balance, but the mass monster Freakshow was new and more impressive at the time
Sergiu Absolutely. Nicest shape ever with quality muscle. He trained his ass off too and knew how to pose. Top 5 for 12 consecutive years is a solid record not many (if any) can say they’ve done.
Yes indeed. Really good feathered quads, good hamstring sweep, fully developed calves. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man didn't have any weak points. His biggest flaw was his lack of size and height (and his big mouth, always talking trash)
The judges of the 90s are responsible for the bubble guts today because they repeatedly chose Yates over Ray. If you could put together a perfect bodybuilder from scratch, it would pretty much look exactly like Shawn Ray.
Flex's longer muscle bellies,arms,chest,hams and aesthetics mixed with Yates density,thickness,calfs,quads and back ,with bone dry dry conditioning.The standouts of Ray and others don't matter from the 90's etc when you add up the best of the best of 93 Flex with 95 Dorian.Shawns 95 with Levrone's 95 comes a close 2nd genetically spliced bodybuilder for sure.
This whole "perfect score" thing is complete BS. I'm gonna put together a video of just how bad their judging system sucks at some point because honestly it's a joke
i read somewhere that in the 1992 Olympia one Judge had Lou Ferrigno in 1st place! he rightly finished 12th (even with obvious calf implants) but it shows just how flawed the judging was/is.
Is it the same thing with Ronnie Coleman dude and that Phil Heath situation they didn't want to give it to Kevin levrone when Ronnie Coleman was with them on stage and they want to give it to flex wheeler it's the same thing that was back then there was gave it to the bigger guy but Dorian and Ronnie don't want to give it to flex or kevin
But the real challenge of all this in terms of looking like that is to maintain looking like that all year round and forever anybody can look like that for a short amount of time for a contest but to look like that for the rest of your life and maintain looking like that is a true Challenge and without abusing drugs is even harder
I am a Dorian fan for many reasons, I really like him as a person and he genuinely became MrO against the odds and he'll tell you the other guys had better genetics he just out worked them and I love that. But I do agree I think there is a STRONG case for Ray winning this year!
@@altair227 you don't even know how to read lmao, my comment is referred to Yates and I am not a kiddo saying that holocaust did happen, should be the other way around if you think so, retard.
Dorian is my favorite bodybuilder, Shawn is my least favorite. However, as much as I love mass-monsters, I am continually leaning towards the idea, that Shawn is not only the best in 94, but arguably the best and most pleasing bodybuilder ever, even beating Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler or Kevin Levrone. Thanks for the great video!!!
mossimmo12 Torn bicep? he was not complete...Ray wins..... Politics......Martinez shudve beat Cutler?.... politics?......Menmtzer beat Uncle shadey in 1980.….. Politics?.......And a few more
mossimmo12 I'm a HUGE DorianYates fan, and I think of the recent past years, Ray has proven to be a down right jerk. With that said, I would be a BIG FAT FOOL to disagree with you.
I can see the case for Shawn for sure. Am I crazy though in thinking Kevin was the best in almost all the shots where you see all three? Even then, Dorian can only be truly appreciated in video form. He had separation and insane conditioning that you had to see in motion. For years I was looking at Flex and MD and wondering why he was winning. I understood when I saw the videos later.
I believe that Ray should have been awarded the Mr. Olympia that year. He was over all the more complete body builder in every body part. Very good video.
One word. Politics. I love Dorian and Dorian deserved all of his wins, but Shawn got robbed on this one. In terms of aesthetics Shawn was nearly unbeatable. I think Ray's career suffered because he was outspoken (which isn't a bad thing) but it will cause problems internally with a company. Nobody at the workplace, especially the owners, like an employee who rocks the boat so to speak. But you cannot dispute Ray's qualities and what he brought to the stage. Even at a young age when I didn't understand all the intricacies' of bodybuilding, Shawns talent level was noticed right away. The eye can see it even if you do not understand the entire realm of things. Shawn was a star to be sure.
But Dorian would be number one on that list really no comparison here no judge is going to pick Sean Ray as small as he was over Hercules himself Dorian Yates looks like he stepped off Mount Olympus
@@francescoporcari8597 his legs are the straightest, his toes are always pointing forward and the picture is taken from the side, not head on. Of course his legs will look different. 6:15 where's the melted left leg buddy? 4:50 again, a head on photo that simply goes against your claims Lay off the copium.
I would also add in Nasser El Sonbaty in 1997, Jay Cutler in 2005, and Victor Martinez in 2007. I had Nasser beating Dorian, Jay beating a bloated Ronnie, and Victor beating a not-as-sharp Jay.
Dorian is immensely ovverrated aside from his legendary back and his status in the community...he lost so many olympias in my view...worst being 97 when nassar took him to school
I am glad to see that someone agrees with me on this issue. I honestly never understood why Dorian Yates won Mr. Olympia's. He seemed to me to be the beginning of the blocky big gut era of bodybuilding. I actually told Shawn Ray in person back in 1995 that I thought he was better overall than Dorian Yates. He must have liked my (honest) compliment, because he gave me a free autograph. :-)
who had a more beautiful physique than Ray (dick head that he is)? Flex and Kevin are right there but Ray's midsection is so flawless. if I had to have on physique from the 90s, I'd take Shawn Ray's.
Yeah beats the bubble gut anytime. Ray had the best midsection of all time in my humble opinion. Beautiful fully developed abs and not just an afterthought as with many bodybuilders past and present and to complete the picture framed with outstanding obliques.
Dorian Yates should have won 1 or 2 Mr Olympia, not 6 ! Ray and Kevin should have won more than him, shame on the judges who do NOT consider simmetry, beauty and proportions ! Come on, it is not BEEF Olympia, and the best body should win. The back of Dorian is really big, but it's not simmetric, and too big compared to his chest, pectorals and biceps, there is no proportion and elegance. Also his legs are not that good, as the OP already said. I agree with him.
Shawn Ray all day because of a complete package with proper conditioning and proportions, one in which nothing was missing and of course crowned with superb posing!
Dorian rocking that insuline gut with accompanied blurry layer over the abs. Definately not saluted. Shawn definately had the best overal proportions in my opinion. If he'd be 2 inches taller and wider, he'd for sure have won way more shows. A bit of height/size is all he missed. For the rest he was perfect. Always came in super diced to the socks, huge conditioning and always great proportions and symmetry. Just pure aesthetics. He was one of the last 'classic' bodybuilders. Now classic bodybuilding's coming back as a seperate division, which is great, but ofcourse the best would be to have judges judge the Olympia's regular bodybuilding competition LIKE it's classic.
No-one should ever win a Mr O without a bicep. End of. There is no counter argument to this. The body is flawed. I liked the analogy someone mentioned here about a show car with one busted up rim. Huge back and no bicep is worse than even a mediocre back and bicep. This is when I stopped following bodybuilding. The Mr O title should be given to the person with the most perfect physique. Yates always had very weak arms for his size even without the tear. His physique looked like a mismatch of muscles from different people and never flowed. It had no symmetry. Ray's physique was pretty much perfect. One bicep = shouldn't be placing in any top flight BB comp regardless of conditioning or overall size. Personality should not be counting against you in a BB comp (this is not Ms World)
Ray looked good but Yates had a "wow" factor that Ray simply didn't have. No one in history at that time had that kind of size and conditioning and as soon as Yates hit back poses he blew everyone away.
Shawn ray’s way more aesthetic but I think Dorian deserved it from a bodybuilding perspective, the judges judge these shows this way so I think that Dorian was harder denser, thicker and downright dwarfs Shawn. He also won more poses since most muscular was not a mandatory: front lat, side chest, personally would give him back double bi, back lat and side tri, that’s objectively 4-5 poses he wins. And he was more massive and you could argue more conditioned, but arguable cuz Shawn was way more peeled in the hams and glutes
2:10 This is when it started going tits up, favouring size over quality. Reminds me of Coleman's hideous separated belly and sagging pecs. Shawn Ray's physique was flawless!
@@tuguswisnu449 I can't think of a more critisised mr.O than dorian, so i think calling him overrated when he doesn't get the praise he deserves is dumb.
Tomn8er, solid video. I enjoy these reviews of past Olympias. Question for discussion (anyone can chime in): Do you think that Dorian, Ronnie, Jay, and now Heath winning multiple Olympias, especially when it is a controversial win, is good or bad for bodybuilding? Wouldn't it be more exciting for there to be 3 or 4 previous Mr. Olympia champions on stage battling for the title instead of one guy who has dominated for half a decade or longer and all other competitors have 0 (exception being Dexter)?
Chad 0919 yeah of course it would def be more exciting if the judges allowed upsets to happen when they deserve to. Just look at 2009, the year after dexter won. The show was up in the air. There was a sense that literally 5-6 different guys could win it. Of course when Jay stepped on stage in his best shape ever he was the obvious winner but leading into the contest it was anyone's game and it was exciting. Don't get why the Olympia judges love these long title reigns so much. Makes for pretty boring predictable shows. This whole "you have to knock out the champ to beat him" business has to stop. No, if you beat the champ by even a hair you deserve to win.
@@gregorsamsa1364 because he calls them aesthetic bodies and mass bodies instead of aesthetic bodybuilders or mass monsters which are the more commonly used names... Are you dim sir?
Dorians stage presence in real life would have been menacing... it would have been distracting as no one ever looked that massive and ripped before him. Shawn was just doing a smaller lee haney.. the world was simply hypnotized by the beginning of mass monsters.
I do agree ray deserved title but dorian is so much dominant FDB:RAY FLS:DORIAN SC:DORIAN BDB:CONTROVERSIAL BLS:DORIAN ST:DORIAN ABT:RAY MM:RAY so you can see from the comparison of ur own word whose winning percentage is dominating? Dorian takes 4 shawn takes 3 1 is controversial in which dorian is most dominant
@Tomn8er Finally someone said it all right,keep up the good work man,and what LuiMarco said about abs&thighs is funny,he even changed his mind about this whole contest after Shawn blocked him on social media(If that is the truth),before that he was always saying that Ray deserved this Olympia.
Lol yes as I recall Lui also used to hate on Phil Heath after the 2014 Mr O but then at some point I guess they made up and he became his #1 fan. Guy lets personal disputes cloud his judgment
Whether you like Ray or not, he was winning this almost hands down. He was flawless for the most part. His balance, fullness and ripped physique was one of the best showings for him and one of the best in history. He is a bit on the short side which can count against him standing with the bigger guys but alone he dominates. Kevin also looked very good. I thought both of them beat Dorian this day. Dorian just did not look good. It was more than the torn bicep. His mid-section was bloated and he just did not bring that hard grainy look like the year prior. I think Shawn's mouth cost him this show which is dumb but I have a feeling that was the case. Many did not like Shawn and most likely the powers that be did not want a motor mouth as Mr O. Either way he won the show if you compare him to Dorian. Kevin took a few poses from both Ray and Dorian such as the side chest and front lats. Kevins combo of huge traps, shoulders and arms was hard to beat. Paul D could have been a bigger factor but the man sucked at posing and his back was never good. If someone had taught the guy how to pose and present himself, he would have won more pro shows. Mr O though??? Nah.....he was freaky but looked odd. It was like a regular guys head standing behind a body builder cut out. Something just looked odd and off. The veins in the chest did not help either. You spent more time focused on the leg size veins in his chest (wondering if they hurt or itched and why the hell he did not get them removed) vs looking at his physique. In short, Ray was robbed as was Kevin. Dorian got a gift and he got another one when Nassar came in 2nd. Nassar clearly destroyed Dorian that year (I think that was Mr O #6 for Dorian).
Love your videos Mr. Terminator as you include more details in every comparison. By the way who is your all time favorite bodybuilder? Let us know please
Thank you for making this video, not a lot of people dare go against the almighty Dorian Yates. I understand why is he widely considered as one of the best ever, but I honestly think his physique does not represent bodybuilding in my opinion. I would take guys like Flex, Shawn and Levrone over him any day. Bodybuilding should be about shape, symmetry and fullness. Not just about hardness and blockyness (if that's a word)
Shawn should have won here. If social media was a thing back then, and the IFBB judges were heavily scrutinized like they are now, Shawn would have gotten the sandow. Just like the way Shawn Rhoden won in 2018.
Totally agree. Shawn was more aesthetic but this was a bodybuilding show and there's no way in hell he could have won over Dorian Yates. Yates was super impressive and freaky even in his worst year 1997.
TheLucid One disagree bro. Did you see his 96 appearance? Holy shit man he was insane in that show. Check out 96 Grand Prix, he was unreal. Everyone in that show was on point.
Shawn was in a different 212 class than Dorian and by today's competition standards he would dominate in his proper division. Shawn was actually at his best form from 1999 until the year he retired against Ronnie, Kevin, Flex and Jay.
Any rear pose Yates wins. Better back, hamstrings and calves. Much thicker and detailed. Ok his arms aren’t the best on the stage but RLS he destroys Ray. Side tricep, Yates is the greatest ever at hitting this pose. Funny how all the pics you chose of him don’t show his full on. Agreed A&T goes to Ray, although Yates is incredible for his size. Certainly not a landslide. Most muscular wasn’t a mandatory pose then so does not count. If you look at the seven poses Yates wins.
Even though dorian was much bigger and thicker than Ray, shawn ray has a much bigger neck it helped his physique look even more complete and well balanced. They should of given the mr Olympia title to Ray bodybuilding would be so much better now!
Yup or Flex in 93. Although to be fair Dorian looked phenomenal that year too. But in 94 Yates was not at his best, Ray was, and they definitely should've corrected course
God damn , was just watch a video from this channel and then I clicked on here , next thing you know it , terminator voice scared me cause it was loud , I’m wearing headphones 😂
Dorian will always be one of my heroes, but Shawn Ray had the best physique and should of won that year! My parents watching the contest with me and felt Ray got overlooked!
Throughout Yate's reign, I was never impressed with his physique. I always considered it "ugly", and his key tee-shirt muscles, chest and arms, were always mediocre as you succinctly point out several times throughout the video... Great analysis TomN8er... Your's truly, "The Herbinator."
Chris Harlin Not by the way they judge today, as much as I love their physiques and the way they posed and presented themselves worlds better. Really can’t compare. Different time different era.
Unfortunately for Shawn Ray, the mass monster age was in. The judges screwed up though on this one. Shawn Ray definitely looked better and should've won.
it's hard to say. dorian had a type of conditioning that nobody else had at that time. and his back is just overpowering. it could have gone either way. but with the judging criteria, and on paper, dorian gets it.
Shawn Ray should have been Mr. Olympia that year. Sucks that Shawn never won this title during his entire career. He should have had at least one Sandow, and that year should have been his.
The problem in 1994 is that the mass monster era had been introduced the year before, everyone was expecting these guys to all come in with comparable size to match Dorian's 1993 showing. Ray looks pretty much objectively better overall in terms of aesthetic, symmetry and balance, but the mass monster Freakshow was new and more impressive at the time
Good point 👍🏻
You're right
Shawn Ray was just a work of art!
Sergiu
Absolutely. Nicest shape ever with quality muscle. He trained his ass off too and knew how to pose. Top 5 for 12 consecutive years is a solid record not many (if any) can say they’ve done.
1999 as well!
@@aran125 I agree 100% with you. He busted his ass , stayed consistent, and even worked on trying to make the sport a better place for competitors.
wow Shawn's legs are underrated
Yes indeed. Really good feathered quads, good hamstring sweep, fully developed calves. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man didn't have any weak points. His biggest flaw was his lack of size and height (and his big mouth, always talking trash)
@@Tomn8er I can outpose him
Ugly legs. Sweep.
jesi spencer not a good shape
The judges of the 90s are responsible for the bubble guts today because they repeatedly chose Yates over Ray. If you could put together a perfect bodybuilder from scratch, it would pretty much look exactly like Shawn Ray.
except he is like 4 feet tall
Jake Hoskins or flex
Yea, wasn't Ray a running back who injured his knee before body building?
@@sonofkrypton2851 shut up he's just trying to post a funny comment.
Flex's longer muscle bellies,arms,chest,hams and aesthetics mixed with Yates density,thickness,calfs,quads and back ,with bone dry dry conditioning.The standouts of Ray and others don't matter from the 90's etc when you add up the best of the best of 93 Flex with 95 Dorian.Shawns 95 with Levrone's 95 comes a close 2nd genetically spliced bodybuilder for sure.
1:25 "Dorian had the mass, thickness and density" I don't know about you, but Shawn's chest looks thicker and his legs look bigger too.
yep but dorian arms,wings and calves are bigger and shredd
@@ratopetista4508 i wouldnt say in that shot atleast
@@blakehernandez388 a footage can be very tricky..
@@ratopetista4508 it is very dependent on the picture taken, i would agree that yates fully flexed is better in the front relaxed
Yates was always bigger and better. Ray was too short. He was never going to win Mr Olympia.
Not only did Dorian win this Olympia he won it with a perfect score. Baffling judging. Possibly predetermined
This whole "perfect score" thing is complete BS. I'm gonna put together a video of just how bad their judging system sucks at some point because honestly it's a joke
i read somewhere that in the 1992 Olympia one Judge had Lou Ferrigno in 1st place! he rightly finished 12th (even with obvious calf implants) but it shows just how flawed the judging was/is.
The problem is that it is subjective, it is based on opinions lol.
Nathan M yes but Ferrigno 1st place in 1992? There's being objective and there's being completely idiotic 😂
Yes politically predetermined , and you think why???
16:20 Paul Dillets calves are unreal
if dillet had a better back, and posing I think he wins multiple olympias.
Shawn Ray...that vacuum shape!! He looked spectacular!
But the Kid&Play hairdo did him in!
Is it the same thing with Ronnie Coleman dude and that Phil Heath situation they didn't want to give it to Kevin levrone when Ronnie Coleman was with them on stage and they want to give it to flex wheeler it's the same thing that was back then there was gave it to the bigger guy but Dorian and Ronnie don't want to give it to flex or kevin
But the real challenge of all this in terms of looking like that is to maintain looking like that all year round and forever anybody can look like that for a short amount of time for a contest but to look like that for the rest of your life and maintain looking like that is a true Challenge and without abusing drugs is even harder
Cause back then they chose the thickest guy over the most asthethic
I am a Dorian fan for many reasons, I really like him as a person and he genuinely became MrO against the odds and he'll tell you the other guys had better genetics he just out worked them and I love that. But I do agree I think there is a STRONG case for Ray winning this year!
how can you like him as a person? he says holocaust never happened
@@vzando shawn ray is right also he is a person who tf are you to say otherwise kiddo?
@@altair227 you don't even know how to read lmao, my comment is referred to Yates and I am not a kiddo saying that holocaust did happen, should be the other way around if you think so, retard.
Bro Dorian has genetics better genetics just in a different way
Dorian is my favorite bodybuilder, Shawn is my least favorite. However, as much as I love mass-monsters, I am continually leaning towards the idea, that Shawn is not only the best in 94, but arguably the best and most pleasing bodybuilder ever, even beating Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler or Kevin Levrone. Thanks for the great video!!!
I agree
Miroslav Maly i agree in every way
I agree that Ray deserved this one without question.
mossimmo12 Torn bicep? he was not complete...Ray wins..... Politics......Martinez shudve beat Cutler?.... politics?......Menmtzer beat Uncle shadey in 1980.….. Politics?.......And a few more
Joe Gonzales All the placings were wrong.....We in the bodybuilding world all agreed years ago...You probably never competed...
mossimmo12 I'm a HUGE DorianYates fan, and I think of the recent past years, Ray has proven to be a down right jerk. With that said, I would be a BIG FAT FOOL to disagree with you.
hard to say both were great but from different aspect
mossimmo12 no
I can see the case for Shawn for sure. Am I crazy though in thinking Kevin was the best in almost all the shots where you see all three? Even then, Dorian can only be truly appreciated in video form. He had separation and insane conditioning that you had to see in motion. For years I was looking at Flex and MD and wondering why he was winning. I understood when I saw the videos later.
Yates looked even more impressive in person.
This!
@@WithBACON Yeah, Lee Priest said that when you were next to him his density made it look like he had muscles on top of muscles.
I believe that Ray should have been awarded the Mr. Olympia that year. He was over all the more complete body builder in every body part. Very good video.
Dorian should have walked right over to Shawn after the show and gave that Sandow to him.
agree Shawn deserves the win
One word. Politics. I love Dorian and Dorian deserved all of his wins, but Shawn got robbed on this one. In terms of aesthetics Shawn was nearly unbeatable. I think Ray's career suffered because he was outspoken (which isn't a bad thing) but it will cause problems internally with a company. Nobody at the workplace, especially the owners, like an employee who rocks the boat so to speak. But you cannot dispute Ray's qualities and what he brought to the stage. Even at a young age when I didn't understand all the intricacies' of bodybuilding, Shawns talent level was noticed right away. The eye can see it even if you do not understand the entire realm of things. Shawn was a star to be sure.
He didn't deserve all his wins, 97 was a joke.
Yates = Walking Fridge, Shawn Ray = Work of Art
Dorian is a chill dude but he should have like 3 wins instead of 6
We need an extra bonus points for the relax pose and for the small waist , that's what can save bodybuilding !
Shawn Ray in '96 Olympia was perfection!
If there's a list for 10 best body builders ever, Shawn Ray has to be one of them.
But Dorian would be number one on that list really no comparison here no judge is going to pick Sean Ray as small as he was over Hercules himself Dorian Yates looks like he stepped off Mount Olympus
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrnah Shawn looks like he is straight from Mount Olympus, Dorian looks like he is from Nordic mythology, just shredded
Shawn by and large kicked Dorian's ass in that show.
Dorian’s melted arm looked so funny
And melted left quad.
@@francescoporcari8597 4:50 they look practically identical...what are you even talking about?
@@dj_m19 3:00 do they look identical to you?
@@francescoporcari8597 his legs are the straightest, his toes are always pointing forward and the picture is taken from the side, not head on. Of course his legs will look different.
6:15 where's the melted left leg buddy?
4:50 again, a head on photo that simply goes against your claims
Lay off the copium.
@@dj_m19 I mean, don't you see the difference in the quad development? Melted may not be the best word, more like injured or tore.
The Olympia judges hate marking down the current Mr Olympia. Yates didn't deserve this.
Dorian was not smooth in 94, literally shredded almost to death.. lol
Shawn ray should have won!!
Dude you're totally delusional if you can't see that Kevin was out staging the both of them out of three totally delusional
You just don't know anything about bodybuilding
@@thegreat1009 Lol, Kevin? How? Poor back, inferior legs, mediocre bicep peaks, relatively wide waist, inferior conditioning.
You're trolling right there's no way that you can believe that
You're kidding right
Shawn Ray - absolutely the uncrowned Mr. O.
I would also add in Nasser El Sonbaty in 1997, Jay Cutler in 2005, and Victor Martinez in 2007. I had Nasser beating Dorian, Jay beating a bloated Ronnie, and Victor beating a not-as-sharp Jay.
@@rickbrenner6079 I had Wolfe ahead of Jay in 08
Dorian is immensely ovverrated aside from his legendary back and his status in the community...he lost so many olympias in my view...worst being 97 when nassar took him to school
Are you fucking high???
Nonsense. Of the seven mandatory poses Yates wins the majority of them.
Great analysis, yet again!
thanks bro
Call me crazy but I've had Levrone over both of them in most mandatories...
Shawn had one of the best shapes ever!!!
I'm a Dorian fan but I believe Shawn deserves this one. And also Nasser should have won later in too.
I am glad to see that someone agrees with me on this issue. I honestly never understood why Dorian Yates won Mr. Olympia's. He seemed to me to be the beginning of the blocky big gut era of bodybuilding. I actually told Shawn Ray in person back in 1995 that I thought he was better overall than Dorian Yates. He must have liked my (honest) compliment, because he gave me a free autograph. :-)
who had a more beautiful physique than Ray (dick head that he is)? Flex and Kevin are right there but Ray's midsection is so flawless. if I had to have on physique from the 90s, I'd take Shawn Ray's.
Mike Middlename I wouldn't wanna be that short. But yeah, he had maybe the best midsection ever, much better than Flex for sure
Mike Middlename His vacuum was perfect, prominent but not unnatural looking like Frank Zane's from way back in the day
Mike Middlename completely agree
Yeah beats the bubble gut anytime. Ray had the best midsection of all time in my humble opinion. Beautiful fully developed abs and not just an afterthought as with many bodybuilders past and present and to complete the picture framed with outstanding obliques.
Agree..my fav physique ever along with Levrone..Wheeller for 2nd
Dorian Yates should have won 1 or 2 Mr Olympia, not 6 ! Ray and Kevin should have won more than him, shame on the judges who do NOT consider simmetry, beauty and proportions ! Come on, it is not BEEF Olympia, and the best body should win.
The back of Dorian is really big, but it's not simmetric, and too big compared to his chest, pectorals and biceps, there is no proportion and elegance. Also his legs are not that good, as the OP already said. I agree with him.
Rodrigo O Kai never beat Phil,man. Check out video of picture, Phil better than Kai every single bodypart and his physic is better.
Yes 92 and 93.
Shawn Ray all day because of a complete package with proper conditioning and proportions, one in which nothing was missing and of course crowned with superb posing!
Dorian rocking that insuline gut with accompanied blurry layer over the abs. Definately not saluted. Shawn definately had the best overal proportions in my opinion. If he'd be 2 inches taller and wider, he'd for sure have won way more shows. A bit of height/size is all he missed. For the rest he was perfect. Always came in super diced to the socks, huge conditioning and always great proportions and symmetry. Just pure aesthetics. He was one of the last 'classic' bodybuilders. Now classic bodybuilding's coming back as a seperate division, which is great, but ofcourse the best would be to have judges judge the Olympia's regular bodybuilding competition LIKE it's classic.
Yates never used insulin until the 1997 Olympia and in an interview he says he regret taking it for the last Olympia of his.
No-one should ever win a Mr O without a bicep. End of. There is no counter argument to this. The body is flawed. I liked the analogy someone mentioned here about a show car with one busted up rim. Huge back and no bicep is worse than even a mediocre back and bicep. This is when I stopped following bodybuilding. The Mr O title should be given to the person with the most perfect physique. Yates always had very weak arms for his size even without the tear. His physique looked like a mismatch of muscles from different people and never flowed. It had no symmetry. Ray's physique was pretty much perfect.
One bicep = shouldn't be placing in any top flight BB comp regardless of conditioning or overall size.
Personality should not be counting against you in a BB comp (this is not Ms World)
Siôn Jones Rhoden won without a back and triceps! Ain’t that the shits😂😂🌈
Shawn Ray won this year, he was just more complete and aesthetically he was way ahead of Yates
Ray looked good but Yates had a "wow" factor that Ray simply didn't have. No one in history at that time had that kind of size and conditioning and as soon as Yates hit back poses he blew everyone away.
Ur completely wrong
but then Levrone also had wow factor at least from the front.
For some reason it's easy to forget just how good Shawn Ray was. He was incredible.
Dude I knew Dorians right arm was blown in 97… then I learned in 96 it was bad too… but this is 94? How long did he have a torn bicep
94 was the first year
Tomn8er are you a bodybuilder?have you judged an actual contest before?
I tell ya, here Levrone looks amazing and should have taken the Olympia, 2nd Shawn Ray, 3rd Dorian.
Shawn Ray should have won complete package
Nope
Shawn ray’s way more aesthetic but I think Dorian deserved it from a bodybuilding perspective, the judges judge these shows this way so I think that Dorian was harder denser, thicker and downright dwarfs Shawn. He also won more poses since most muscular was not a mandatory: front lat, side chest, personally would give him back double bi, back lat and side tri, that’s objectively 4-5 poses he wins. And he was more massive and you could argue more conditioned, but arguable cuz Shawn was way more peeled in the hams and glutes
2:10 This is when it started going tits up, favouring size over quality. Reminds me of Coleman's hideous separated belly and sagging pecs. Shawn Ray's physique was flawless!
I completely agree with u. Not only do I think that Shawn should have won, but I also think that Kevin should have been 2nd and Dorian 3rd.
Yates has always been overrated to me.
Underrated if anything. Spendt an entire decade dominating against far genetically superior bodybuilders while mostly injured.
@@bendover7152 overated beacuse of dorianites i think, the way they praise dorian like religious thing
@@tuguswisnu449 I can't think of a more critisised mr.O than dorian, so i think calling him overrated when he doesn't get the praise he deserves is dumb.
@Chema he is the 3rd greatest of all time imo.
@@bendover7152 hardly in top 5 actually
Sorry, no one comes close to DY, especially regarding the back department... Facts
Tomn8er, solid video. I enjoy these reviews of past Olympias. Question for discussion (anyone can chime in): Do you think that Dorian, Ronnie, Jay, and now Heath winning multiple Olympias, especially when it is a controversial win, is good or bad for bodybuilding? Wouldn't it be more exciting for there to be 3 or 4 previous Mr. Olympia champions on stage battling for the title instead of one guy who has dominated for half a decade or longer and all other competitors have 0 (exception being Dexter)?
Chad 0919 yeah of course it would def be more exciting if the judges allowed upsets to happen when they deserve to. Just look at 2009, the year after dexter won. The show was up in the air. There was a sense that literally 5-6 different guys could win it. Of course when Jay stepped on stage in his best shape ever he was the obvious winner but leading into the contest it was anyone's game and it was exciting.
Don't get why the Olympia judges love these long title reigns so much. Makes for pretty boring predictable shows. This whole "you have to knock out the champ to beat him" business has to stop. No, if you beat the champ by even a hair you deserve to win.
this is where bodybuilding split into the old aesthetic bodies and the new mass bodies.
i like the aesthetic side more
Lol what the heck is this comment?
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You having trouble reading?
@@gregorsamsa1364 it's just wierd how he calls them aesthetic bodies and mass bodies 😳
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Why?
@@gregorsamsa1364 because he calls them aesthetic bodies and mass bodies instead of aesthetic bodybuilders or mass monsters which are the more commonly used names... Are you dim sir?
Shawn Ray had the perfect V shape, no amount of training would help anyone to match him, this was pure genetics.
I have to agree with you! Overall, Shawn, was better and more complete. Who wouldn't wanna look like Ray? His best year in my opinion.
Dorians stage presence in real life would have been menacing... it would have been distracting as no one ever looked that massive and ripped before him. Shawn was just doing a smaller lee haney.. the world was simply hypnotized by the beginning of mass monsters.
Excellent point. I'm sure that's true
I do agree ray deserved title but dorian is so much dominant
FDB:RAY
FLS:DORIAN
SC:DORIAN
BDB:CONTROVERSIAL
BLS:DORIAN
ST:DORIAN
ABT:RAY
MM:RAY
so you can see from the comparison of ur own word whose winning percentage is dominating?
Dorian takes 4 shawn takes 3
1 is controversial in which dorian is most dominant
I think dillet should have been top step in 94.
I totally agree with you ! U see the real meaning of bodybuilding !
Kevin’s side chest is absolutely disgusting! That’s his pose all day.
Disgusting? 😂
@@zadd596 yea haha like if something is gross it’s good, if it’s sick it’s great, and if it’s disgusting it’s amazing.
The only Olympia's I would give Dorian reliably would be 93 and 95. That is it lol.
Nathan M 1996 and 1997 totally deserved too, the best condition man...
Hell no on 97, that was Nasser's show. The only thing Dorian beat him on was the back. Nasser was better in EVERY other body part.
Chest, calves, granite condition...
Just look up a picture of Yates during the 1997 olympia and tell me he should have won lol
Nathan M Dorian posing was the best, Nasser shape looks like Lou Ferrigno vs Arnold in 1974.
Mr Tomn8er you know what a good bodybuilder should look like.
@Tomn8er Finally someone said it all right,keep up the good work man,and what LuiMarco said about abs&thighs is funny,he even changed his mind about this whole contest after Shawn blocked him on social media(If that is the truth),before that he was always saying that Ray deserved this Olympia.
Lol yes as I recall Lui also used to hate on Phil Heath after the 2014 Mr O but then at some point I guess they made up and he became his #1 fan. Guy lets personal disputes cloud his judgment
Whether you like Ray or not, he was winning this almost hands down. He was flawless for the most part. His balance, fullness and ripped physique was one of the best showings for him and one of the best in history. He is a bit on the short side which can count against him standing with the bigger guys but alone he dominates. Kevin also looked very good. I thought both of them beat Dorian this day. Dorian just did not look good. It was more than the torn bicep. His mid-section was bloated and he just did not bring that hard grainy look like the year prior. I think Shawn's mouth cost him this show which is dumb but I have a feeling that was the case. Many did not like Shawn and most likely the powers that be did not want a motor mouth as Mr O. Either way he won the show if you compare him to Dorian. Kevin took a few poses from both Ray and Dorian such as the side chest and front lats. Kevins combo of huge traps, shoulders and arms was hard to beat. Paul D could have been a bigger factor but the man sucked at posing and his back was never good. If someone had taught the guy how to pose and present himself, he would have won more pro shows. Mr O though??? Nah.....he was freaky but looked odd. It was like a regular guys head standing behind a body builder cut out. Something just looked odd and off. The veins in the chest did not help either. You spent more time focused on the leg size veins in his chest (wondering if they hurt or itched and why the hell he did not get them removed) vs looking at his physique. In short, Ray was robbed as was Kevin. Dorian got a gift and he got another one when Nassar came in 2nd. Nassar clearly destroyed Dorian that year (I think that was Mr O #6 for Dorian).
Love your videos Mr. Terminator as you include more details in every comparison. By the way who is your all time favorite bodybuilder? Let us know please
thanks man if I didn't already mention in this video I do in my latest, the 1992 Mr O Review ;)
Thank you for making this video, not a lot of people dare go against the almighty Dorian Yates. I understand why is he widely considered as one of the best ever, but I honestly think his physique does not represent bodybuilding in my opinion. I would take guys like Flex, Shawn and Levrone over him any day. Bodybuilding should be about shape, symmetry and fullness. Not just about hardness and blockyness (if that's a word)
Shawn should have won here. If social media was a thing back then, and the IFBB judges were heavily scrutinized like they are now, Shawn would have gotten the sandow. Just like the way Shawn Rhoden won in 2018.
So are we gonna ignore that rear relaxed Christmas tree ray is sporting @ 12:14 looking like a mini Ronnie Coleman
Totally agree. Shawn was more aesthetic but this was a bodybuilding show and there's no way in hell he could have won over Dorian Yates. Yates was super impressive and freaky even in his worst year 1997.
You're seriously in love with Ray 🙄
Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone both deserve to have won Olympia's at one point in their careers
Shawn should’ve won atleast 3 (1990,1994 and 96)
Awesome video. I agree. Ray had this no question. Shawn Ray is one of the best of all time. No one can take that from him.
I don't remember if you still do the Arnold voice, but you should. Always makes me laugh, and I am sure some others, too
Also you should talk about levrone more. He could win a lot of those shots.
I love Dorian however, in my opinion he won 92and 93 that's it. The rest were gifts.
TheLucid One disagree bro. Did you see his 96 appearance? Holy shit man he was insane in that show. Check out 96 Grand Prix, he was unreal. Everyone in that show was on point.
It’s much harder to get a Xmas tree as a mass monster compared to shawn
Shawn was in a different 212 class than Dorian and by today's competition standards he would dominate in his proper division. Shawn was actually at his best form from 1999 until the year he retired against Ronnie, Kevin, Flex and Jay.
Shawn Ray was clear winner here,his physique was complete,Levrone should have beat Yates too in 94.
Any rear pose Yates wins. Better back, hamstrings and calves. Much thicker and detailed. Ok his arms aren’t the best on the stage but RLS he destroys Ray. Side tricep, Yates is the greatest ever at hitting this pose. Funny how all the pics you chose of him don’t show his full on. Agreed A&T goes to Ray, although Yates is incredible for his size. Certainly not a landslide. Most muscular wasn’t a mandatory pose then so does not count. If you look at the seven poses Yates wins.
Even though dorian was much bigger and thicker than Ray, shawn ray has a much bigger neck it helped his physique look even more complete and well balanced. They should of given the mr Olympia title to Ray bodybuilding would be so much better now!
Yup or Flex in 93. Although to be fair Dorian looked phenomenal that year too. But in 94 Yates was not at his best, Ray was, and they definitely should've corrected course
I think you should do a Shawn Ray vs Kevin Levrone 94 , he was always saying he should have won that Olympia
What if Labrada was to come back that year and 20 pounds heavier?
God damn , was just watch a video from this channel and then I clicked on here , next thing you know it , terminator voice scared me cause it was loud , I’m wearing headphones 😂
Yates looked like shit this year
Dorian will always be one of my heroes, but Shawn Ray had the best physique and should of won that year! My parents watching the contest with me and felt Ray got overlooked!
Shawn and Arnold are the most aesthetic bodybuilders I‘ve ever seen. That he never won Mr. Olympia is a scandal..
hahaaaaaa........Nope, Frank Zane smokes those 2
Throughout Yate's reign, I was never impressed with his physique. I always considered it "ugly", and his key tee-shirt muscles, chest and arms, were always mediocre as you succinctly point out several times throughout the video... Great analysis TomN8er... Your's truly, "The Herbinator."
Yes, it was definitely Ray. As far as I could tell, he was flawless.
Shawn or Kevin would have destroyed anyone on stage at the 2019 Olympia
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Not by the way they judge today, as much as I love their physiques and the way they posed and presented themselves worlds better. Really can’t compare. Different time different era.
Unfortunately for Shawn Ray, the mass monster age was in. The judges screwed up though on this one. Shawn Ray definitely looked better and should've won.
I’m a huge Yates fan, yet even I feel Shawn should of won in 94!!
You should do...
Yates vs Ray 1996 WHO REALLY WON? Now that was a real close one too.
it's hard to say. dorian had a type of conditioning that nobody else had at that time. and his back is just overpowering. it could have gone either way. but with the judging criteria, and on paper, dorian gets it.
Ray back in 1994 was just as detailed in 1994. Proportion wise...Dorian lost. Overpowering? Lol
1-Shawn Ray 2-Kevin Levrone 3-Chris Cormier
Good video. I'd disagree with abs and t pose, I think it's much closer than you suggest. Looking forward to viewing more. Thanks!
Shawn's back double bi was perfect holy shit
Ray looked beautiful. I can imagine why he is so bitter nowadays - he should be Mr O 1994. That details and fullness of his legs... damn!
Shawn Ray should have been Mr. Olympia that year. Sucks that Shawn never won this title during his entire career. He should have had at least one Sandow, and that year should have been his.
This is when bodybuilding took that turn
Shawn Ray should have won in 1994. Hands down. When his relationship of parts to his body are taken together his package was best that day and night.
Yates squashed Ray. Over and out. Remember it's not a beauty contest.