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- This was a highly competitive contest with a stacked lineup in which Shawn Ray came in at arguably his all time best against an injured and seemingly vulnerable Yates. Did Dorian really still deserve to win?
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The problem in 1994 is that the mass monster era had been introduced the year before, everyone was expecting these guys to all come in with comparable size to match Dorian's 1993 showing. Ray looks pretty much objectively better overall in terms of aesthetic, symmetry and balance, but the mass monster Freakshow was new and more impressive at the time
Good point 👍🏻
You're right
The judges of the 90s are responsible for the bubble guts today because they repeatedly chose Yates over Ray. If you could put together a perfect bodybuilder from scratch, it would pretty much look exactly like Shawn Ray.
except he is like 4 feet tall
Jake Hoskins or flex
Yea, wasn't Ray a running back who injured his knee before body building?
@@sonofkrypton2851 shut up he's just trying to post a funny comment.
Flex's longer muscle bellies,arms,chest,hams and aesthetics mixed with Yates density,thickness,calfs,quads and back ,with bone dry dry conditioning.The standouts of Ray and others don't matter from the 90's etc when you add up the best of the best of 93 Flex with 95 Dorian.Shawns 95 with Levrone's 95 comes a close 2nd genetically spliced bodybuilder for sure.
wow Shawn's legs are underrated
Yes indeed. Really good feathered quads, good hamstring sweep, fully developed calves. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man didn't have any weak points. His biggest flaw was his lack of size and height (and his big mouth, always talking trash)
@@Tomn8er I can outpose him
Ugly legs. Sweep.
jesi spencer not a good shape
Shawn Ray was just a work of art!
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Absolutely. Nicest shape ever with quality muscle. He trained his ass off too and knew how to pose. Top 5 for 12 consecutive years is a solid record not many (if any) can say they’ve done.
1999 as well!
@@aran125 I agree 100% with you. He busted his ass , stayed consistent, and even worked on trying to make the sport a better place for competitors.
Not only did Dorian win this Olympia he won it with a perfect score. Baffling judging. Possibly predetermined
This whole "perfect score" thing is complete BS. I'm gonna put together a video of just how bad their judging system sucks at some point because honestly it's a joke
i read somewhere that in the 1992 Olympia one Judge had Lou Ferrigno in 1st place! he rightly finished 12th (even with obvious calf implants) but it shows just how flawed the judging was/is.
The problem is that it is subjective, it is based on opinions lol.
Nathan M yes but Ferrigno 1st place in 1992? There's being objective and there's being completely idiotic 😂
Yes politically predetermined , and you think why???
1:25 "Dorian had the mass, thickness and density" I don't know about you, but Shawn's chest looks thicker and his legs look bigger too.
yep but dorian arms,wings and calves are bigger and shredd
@@ratopetista4508 i wouldnt say in that shot atleast
@@blakehernandez388 a footage can be very tricky..
@@ratopetista4508 it is very dependent on the picture taken, i would agree that yates fully flexed is better in the front relaxed
Yates was always bigger and better. Ray was too short. He was never going to win Mr Olympia.
Dorian is my favorite bodybuilder, Shawn is my least favorite. However, as much as I love mass-monsters, I am continually leaning towards the idea, that Shawn is not only the best in 94, but arguably the best and most pleasing bodybuilder ever, even beating Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler or Kevin Levrone. Thanks for the great video!!!
I agree
Miroslav Maly i agree in every way
16:20 Paul Dillets calves are unreal
if dillet had a better back, and posing I think he wins multiple olympias.
I agree that Ray deserved this one without question.
mossimmo12 Torn bicep? he was not complete...Ray wins..... Politics......Martinez shudve beat Cutler?.... politics?......Menmtzer beat Uncle shadey in 1980.….. Politics?.......And a few more
Joe Gonzales All the placings were wrong.....We in the bodybuilding world all agreed years ago...You probably never competed...
mossimmo12 I'm a HUGE DorianYates fan, and I think of the recent past years, Ray has proven to be a down right jerk. With that said, I would be a BIG FAT FOOL to disagree with you.
hard to say both were great but from different aspect
mossimmo12 no
I can see the case for Shawn for sure. Am I crazy though in thinking Kevin was the best in almost all the shots where you see all three? Even then, Dorian can only be truly appreciated in video form. He had separation and insane conditioning that you had to see in motion. For years I was looking at Flex and MD and wondering why he was winning. I understood when I saw the videos later.
Yates looked even more impressive in person.
This!
@@WithBACON Yeah, Lee Priest said that when you were next to him his density made it look like he had muscles on top of muscles.
I am a Dorian fan for many reasons, I really like him as a person and he genuinely became MrO against the odds and he'll tell you the other guys had better genetics he just out worked them and I love that. But I do agree I think there is a STRONG case for Ray winning this year!
how can you like him as a person? he says holocaust never happened
@@vzando shawn ray is right also he is a person who tf are you to say otherwise kiddo?
@@altair227 you don't even know how to read lmao, my comment is referred to Yates and I am not a kiddo saying that holocaust did happen, should be the other way around if you think so, retard.
Bro Dorian has genetics better genetics just in a different way
Shawn Ray...that vacuum shape!! He looked spectacular!
But the Kid&Play hairdo did him in!
Is it the same thing with Ronnie Coleman dude and that Phil Heath situation they didn't want to give it to Kevin levrone when Ronnie Coleman was with them on stage and they want to give it to flex wheeler it's the same thing that was back then there was gave it to the bigger guy but Dorian and Ronnie don't want to give it to flex or kevin
But the real challenge of all this in terms of looking like that is to maintain looking like that all year round and forever anybody can look like that for a short amount of time for a contest but to look like that for the rest of your life and maintain looking like that is a true Challenge and without abusing drugs is even harder
Cause back then they chose the thickest guy over the most asthethic
One word. Politics. I love Dorian and Dorian deserved all of his wins, but Shawn got robbed on this one. In terms of aesthetics Shawn was nearly unbeatable. I think Ray's career suffered because he was outspoken (which isn't a bad thing) but it will cause problems internally with a company. Nobody at the workplace, especially the owners, like an employee who rocks the boat so to speak. But you cannot dispute Ray's qualities and what he brought to the stage. Even at a young age when I didn't understand all the intricacies' of bodybuilding, Shawns talent level was noticed right away. The eye can see it even if you do not understand the entire realm of things. Shawn was a star to be sure.
He didn't deserve all his wins, 97 was a joke.
If there's a list for 10 best body builders ever, Shawn Ray has to be one of them.
But Dorian would be number one on that list really no comparison here no judge is going to pick Sean Ray as small as he was over Hercules himself Dorian Yates looks like he stepped off Mount Olympus
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrnah Shawn looks like he is straight from Mount Olympus, Dorian looks like he is from Nordic mythology, just shredded
I believe that Ray should have been awarded the Mr. Olympia that year. He was over all the more complete body builder in every body part. Very good video.
The Olympia judges hate marking down the current Mr Olympia. Yates didn't deserve this.
Dorian was not smooth in 94, literally shredded almost to death.. lol
who had a more beautiful physique than Ray (dick head that he is)? Flex and Kevin are right there but Ray's midsection is so flawless. if I had to have on physique from the 90s, I'd take Shawn Ray's.
Mike Middlename I wouldn't wanna be that short. But yeah, he had maybe the best midsection ever, much better than Flex for sure
Mike Middlename His vacuum was perfect, prominent but not unnatural looking like Frank Zane's from way back in the day
Mike Middlename completely agree
Yeah beats the bubble gut anytime. Ray had the best midsection of all time in my humble opinion. Beautiful fully developed abs and not just an afterthought as with many bodybuilders past and present and to complete the picture framed with outstanding obliques.
Agree..my fav physique ever along with Levrone..Wheeller for 2nd
Call me crazy but I've had Levrone over both of them in most mandatories...
Dorian Yates should have won 1 or 2 Mr Olympia, not 6 ! Ray and Kevin should have won more than him, shame on the judges who do NOT consider simmetry, beauty and proportions ! Come on, it is not BEEF Olympia, and the best body should win.
The back of Dorian is really big, but it's not simmetric, and too big compared to his chest, pectorals and biceps, there is no proportion and elegance. Also his legs are not that good, as the OP already said. I agree with him.
Rodrigo O Kai never beat Phil,man. Check out video of picture, Phil better than Kai every single bodypart and his physic is better.
Yes 92 and 93.
We need an extra bonus points for the relax pose and for the small waist , that's what can save bodybuilding !
Dorian’s melted arm looked so funny
And melted left quad.
@@francescoporcari8597 4:50 they look practically identical...what are you even talking about?
@@dj_m19 3:00 do they look identical to you?
@@francescoporcari8597 his legs are the straightest, his toes are always pointing forward and the picture is taken from the side, not head on. Of course his legs will look different.
6:15 where's the melted left leg buddy?
4:50 again, a head on photo that simply goes against your claims
Lay off the copium.
@@dj_m19 I mean, don't you see the difference in the quad development? Melted may not be the best word, more like injured or tore.
agree Shawn deserves the win
Dorian should have walked right over to Shawn after the show and gave that Sandow to him.
Shawn Ray in '96 Olympia was perfection!
Shawn by and large kicked Dorian's ass in that show.
Shawn ray should have won!!
Dude you're totally delusional if you can't see that Kevin was out staging the both of them out of three totally delusional
You just don't know anything about bodybuilding
@@thegreat1009 Lol, Kevin? How? Poor back, inferior legs, mediocre bicep peaks, relatively wide waist, inferior conditioning.
You're trolling right there's no way that you can believe that
You're kidding right
Shawn Ray - absolutely the uncrowned Mr. O.
I would also add in Nasser El Sonbaty in 1997, Jay Cutler in 2005, and Victor Martinez in 2007. I had Nasser beating Dorian, Jay beating a bloated Ronnie, and Victor beating a not-as-sharp Jay.
@@rickbrenner6079 I had Wolfe ahead of Jay in 08
I am glad to see that someone agrees with me on this issue. I honestly never understood why Dorian Yates won Mr. Olympia's. He seemed to me to be the beginning of the blocky big gut era of bodybuilding. I actually told Shawn Ray in person back in 1995 that I thought he was better overall than Dorian Yates. He must have liked my (honest) compliment, because he gave me a free autograph. :-)
Shawn Ray won this year, he was just more complete and aesthetically he was way ahead of Yates
Dorian rocking that insuline gut with accompanied blurry layer over the abs. Definately not saluted. Shawn definately had the best overal proportions in my opinion. If he'd be 2 inches taller and wider, he'd for sure have won way more shows. A bit of height/size is all he missed. For the rest he was perfect. Always came in super diced to the socks, huge conditioning and always great proportions and symmetry. Just pure aesthetics. He was one of the last 'classic' bodybuilders. Now classic bodybuilding's coming back as a seperate division, which is great, but ofcourse the best would be to have judges judge the Olympia's regular bodybuilding competition LIKE it's classic.
Yates never used insulin until the 1997 Olympia and in an interview he says he regret taking it for the last Olympia of his.
Great analysis, yet again!
thanks bro
Dorian is immensely ovverrated aside from his legendary back and his status in the community...he lost so many olympias in my view...worst being 97 when nassar took him to school
Are you fucking high???
Nonsense. Of the seven mandatory poses Yates wins the majority of them.
Shawn Ray all day because of a complete package with proper conditioning and proportions, one in which nothing was missing and of course crowned with superb posing!
Yates = Walking Fridge, Shawn Ray = Work of Art
No-one should ever win a Mr O without a bicep. End of. There is no counter argument to this. The body is flawed. I liked the analogy someone mentioned here about a show car with one busted up rim. Huge back and no bicep is worse than even a mediocre back and bicep. This is when I stopped following bodybuilding. The Mr O title should be given to the person with the most perfect physique. Yates always had very weak arms for his size even without the tear. His physique looked like a mismatch of muscles from different people and never flowed. It had no symmetry. Ray's physique was pretty much perfect.
One bicep = shouldn't be placing in any top flight BB comp regardless of conditioning or overall size.
Personality should not be counting against you in a BB comp (this is not Ms World)
Siôn Jones Rhoden won without a back and triceps! Ain’t that the shits😂😂🌈
@@phoenixrisin2269 dex and ronnie won with no calves, HUGEEE bloated gut, no one says ronnie shouldnt have won. if your white its ok to pick you apart? or am I wrong?
I'm a Dorian fan but I believe Shawn deserves this one. And also Nasser should have won later in too.
I do agree ray deserved title but dorian is so much dominant
FDB:RAY
FLS:DORIAN
SC:DORIAN
BDB:CONTROVERSIAL
BLS:DORIAN
ST:DORIAN
ABT:RAY
MM:RAY
so you can see from the comparison of ur own word whose winning percentage is dominating?
Dorian takes 4 shawn takes 3
1 is controversial in which dorian is most dominant
Shawn had one of the best shapes ever!!!
Tomn8er are you a bodybuilder?have you judged an actual contest before?
Dorian is a chill dude but he should have like 3 wins instead of 6
Ray looked good but Yates had a "wow" factor that Ray simply didn't have. No one in history at that time had that kind of size and conditioning and as soon as Yates hit back poses he blew everyone away.
Ur completely wrong
but then Levrone also had wow factor at least from the front.
I completely agree with u. Not only do I think that Shawn should have won, but I also think that Kevin should have been 2nd and Dorian 3rd.
Shawn ray’s way more aesthetic but I think Dorian deserved it from a bodybuilding perspective, the judges judge these shows this way so I think that Dorian was harder denser, thicker and downright dwarfs Shawn. He also won more poses since most muscular was not a mandatory: front lat, side chest, personally would give him back double bi, back lat and side tri, that’s objectively 4-5 poses he wins. And he was more massive and you could argue more conditioned, but arguable cuz Shawn was way more peeled in the hams and glutes
Shawn Ray was clear winner here,his physique was complete,Levrone should have beat Yates too in 94.
I have to agree with you! Overall, Shawn, was better and more complete. Who wouldn't wanna look like Ray? His best year in my opinion.
Yates has always been overrated to me.
Underrated if anything. Spendt an entire decade dominating against far genetically superior bodybuilders while mostly injured.
@@bendover7152 overated beacuse of dorianites i think, the way they praise dorian like religious thing
@@tuguswisnu449 I can't think of a more critisised mr.O than dorian, so i think calling him overrated when he doesn't get the praise he deserves is dumb.
@Chema he is the 3rd greatest of all time imo.
@@bendover7152 hardly in top 5 actually
Whether you like Ray or not, he was winning this almost hands down. He was flawless for the most part. His balance, fullness and ripped physique was one of the best showings for him and one of the best in history. He is a bit on the short side which can count against him standing with the bigger guys but alone he dominates. Kevin also looked very good. I thought both of them beat Dorian this day. Dorian just did not look good. It was more than the torn bicep. His mid-section was bloated and he just did not bring that hard grainy look like the year prior. I think Shawn's mouth cost him this show which is dumb but I have a feeling that was the case. Many did not like Shawn and most likely the powers that be did not want a motor mouth as Mr O. Either way he won the show if you compare him to Dorian. Kevin took a few poses from both Ray and Dorian such as the side chest and front lats. Kevins combo of huge traps, shoulders and arms was hard to beat. Paul D could have been a bigger factor but the man sucked at posing and his back was never good. If someone had taught the guy how to pose and present himself, he would have won more pro shows. Mr O though??? Nah.....he was freaky but looked odd. It was like a regular guys head standing behind a body builder cut out. Something just looked odd and off. The veins in the chest did not help either. You spent more time focused on the leg size veins in his chest (wondering if they hurt or itched and why the hell he did not get them removed) vs looking at his physique. In short, Ray was robbed as was Kevin. Dorian got a gift and he got another one when Nassar came in 2nd. Nassar clearly destroyed Dorian that year (I think that was Mr O #6 for Dorian).
Ray had a narrow shoulder structure, short legs with no real quad sweep from the front, shitty calves, inferior torso mass, and very little hardness, with zero graininess. Dorian smoked the fuck outta him
Thank you for making this video, not a lot of people dare go against the almighty Dorian Yates. I understand why is he widely considered as one of the best ever, but I honestly think his physique does not represent bodybuilding in my opinion. I would take guys like Flex, Shawn and Levrone over him any day. Bodybuilding should be about shape, symmetry and fullness. Not just about hardness and blockyness (if that's a word)
Shawn should have won here. If social media was a thing back then, and the IFBB judges were heavily scrutinized like they are now, Shawn would have gotten the sandow. Just like the way Shawn Rhoden won in 2018.
For some reason it's easy to forget just how good Shawn Ray was. He was incredible.
Dorians stage presence in real life would have been menacing... it would have been distracting as no one ever looked that massive and ripped before him. Shawn was just doing a smaller lee haney.. the world was simply hypnotized by the beginning of mass monsters.
Excellent point. I'm sure that's true
I think this was probably a bigger snub than nasser/levrone in 97 or levrone 92, although still not "robbed." This was for sure a political decision. Ray was probably the most vocal/capable critic of the IFBB. Dorian was the perfect out for the IFBB as he was a lone wolf and no one could claim that favoring him was a conflict of interest. But Ray is objectively better than Dorian here in terms of being more complete, no flaws and not lacking in any area. I'd also say his front double is the best pose of that night. But if you do rate in terms of size alone then yeah dorian won, but size should not be at the detriment to symmetry as his arms did not match his torso heap. And that became the criteria they judged on. If they picked Ray, then we would probably have a different sport today. Flex would have been olympia, Ronnie would not have matched Haney and his goat status would not be as solid as today. I just don't think the mass monsters actually dwarf guys like Ray. Sure they are smaller but they don't look small next to them. Hadi sort of redeems this by beating bigger guys, but he literally does look bigger than guys who are objectively bigger than him
I totally agree with you ! U see the real meaning of bodybuilding !
Shawn Ray had the perfect V shape, no amount of training would help anyone to match him, this was pure genetics.
Tomn8er, solid video. I enjoy these reviews of past Olympias. Question for discussion (anyone can chime in): Do you think that Dorian, Ronnie, Jay, and now Heath winning multiple Olympias, especially when it is a controversial win, is good or bad for bodybuilding? Wouldn't it be more exciting for there to be 3 or 4 previous Mr. Olympia champions on stage battling for the title instead of one guy who has dominated for half a decade or longer and all other competitors have 0 (exception being Dexter)?
Chad 0919 yeah of course it would def be more exciting if the judges allowed upsets to happen when they deserve to. Just look at 2009, the year after dexter won. The show was up in the air. There was a sense that literally 5-6 different guys could win it. Of course when Jay stepped on stage in his best shape ever he was the obvious winner but leading into the contest it was anyone's game and it was exciting.
Don't get why the Olympia judges love these long title reigns so much. Makes for pretty boring predictable shows. This whole "you have to knock out the champ to beat him" business has to stop. No, if you beat the champ by even a hair you deserve to win.
this is where bodybuilding split into the old aesthetic bodies and the new mass bodies.
i like the aesthetic side more
Lol what the heck is this comment?
@@syndicalistspeedsolver
You having trouble reading?
@@gregorsamsa1364 it's just wierd how he calls them aesthetic bodies and mass bodies 😳
@@syndicalistspeedsolver
Why?
@@gregorsamsa1364 because he calls them aesthetic bodies and mass bodies instead of aesthetic bodybuilders or mass monsters which are the more commonly used names... Are you dim sir?
Also you should talk about levrone more. He could win a lot of those shots.
Awesome video. I agree. Ray had this no question. Shawn Ray is one of the best of all time. No one can take that from him.
Even though dorian was much bigger and thicker than Ray, shawn ray has a much bigger neck it helped his physique look even more complete and well balanced. They should of given the mr Olympia title to Ray bodybuilding would be so much better now!
Yup or Flex in 93. Although to be fair Dorian looked phenomenal that year too. But in 94 Yates was not at his best, Ray was, and they definitely should've corrected course
Shawn or Kevin would have destroyed anyone on stage at the 2019 Olympia
Chris Harlin
Not by the way they judge today, as much as I love their physiques and the way they posed and presented themselves worlds better. Really can’t compare. Different time different era.
2:10 This is when it started going tits up, favouring size over quality. Reminds me of Coleman's hideous separated belly and sagging pecs. Shawn Ray's physique was flawless!
Totally agree. Shawn was more aesthetic but this was a bodybuilding show and there's no way in hell he could have won over Dorian Yates. Yates was super impressive and freaky even in his worst year 1997.
Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone both deserve to have won Olympia's at one point in their careers
Shawn should’ve won atleast 3 (1990,1994 and 96)
I tell ya, here Levrone looks amazing and should have taken the Olympia, 2nd Shawn Ray, 3rd Dorian.
Kevin 1st ray 2nd Chris 3rd
Love your videos Mr. Terminator as you include more details in every comparison. By the way who is your all time favorite bodybuilder? Let us know please
thanks man if I didn't already mention in this video I do in my latest, the 1992 Mr O Review ;)
Shawn was in a different 212 class than Dorian and by today's competition standards he would dominate in his proper division. Shawn was actually at his best form from 1999 until the year he retired against Ronnie, Kevin, Flex and Jay.
Shawn Ray should have won in 1994. Hands down. When his relationship of parts to his body are taken together his package was best that day and night.
The only Olympia's I would give Dorian reliably would be 93 and 95. That is it lol.
Nathan M 1996 and 1997 totally deserved too, the best condition man...
Hell no on 97, that was Nasser's show. The only thing Dorian beat him on was the back. Nasser was better in EVERY other body part.
Chest, calves, granite condition...
Just look up a picture of Yates during the 1997 olympia and tell me he should have won lol
Nathan M Dorian posing was the best, Nasser shape looks like Lou Ferrigno vs Arnold in 1974.
I just don't understand people that complain about Yates more workman like physique. He just looks stronger.
But when it comes to his legs they always had some kind of teardrop, bottom heavy shape that i actually think females would prefer.
If you sustain an injury in track and field which affects your performance, then you can't compete at your near best or best. This should apply in bodybuilding, too, but from an artistic perspective. I respect Dorian Yates, but when one body part - here his arm - cannot display at its near best or best, then the performance suffers, and should be judged as such.
that makes 0 sense. The injury in track and field would impair your performance in every way. A torn bicep didn't affect Yates in most of the poses as most of the poses either don't put emphasis on the biceps or the biceps are unflexed and therefore the injury wasn't even that visible. I really don't see why ANY competitor in such a situation should be punished like that. I mean, how exactly does a torn bicep affect someone in lat spreads? side tri? abs and thighs???? makes 0 sense.
@@dj_m19 But it affected Yates in SOME of the poses. At what point do we not accept obvious flaws? Look at 1997 - ridiculous.
@@Meshwork123 yes it affected him and hurt him. Those Olympias when his injuries were most prominent were also the closest Mr. Olympias, especially the one in 1997...what are you people even talking about? The judges see the flaws and give negative points, but they also see the overwhelming strengths and award points. You guys constantly cry about the torn bicep/tricep yet ignore the rest of the physique and ignore the competition. WHy are you not talking about Nasser and his synthol use? Calves and arms full of synthol, 0 back whatsoever, soggy glutes, soggy back, water retention all over. So why exactly should he have won? Because of Yates' injuries, is that it? Again, MAKES ZERO SENSE. If I were a judge I'd accept an injury if the rest of the physique is more than enough to win the show than award a piss poor physique and give it the win just because it was more complete due to no injuries.
@@dj_m19 It’s how one presents and displays on the day. We don’t judge competitors on anything else. Your comments are bordering on ad hominem, so I’ll leave it here,
@@Meshwork123 uhh yes? when did I dispute that? this has nothing even remotely close to do with ad hominem, just look at the comments. Starting from your own. Why don't you provide proper analysis of the 1997 or 1994 Olympias instead of just crying about that injury and completely disregarding everything else? Yes, you should leave it there because you are perfectly aware that you can't debate on the matter. That's right, run away as fast as you can. I'm done here also.
Very rare they’ll let a short bodybuilder win the title. They can’t just be superior, they have to knock it out of the park.
I love Dorian however, in my opinion he won 92and 93 that's it. The rest were gifts.
TheLucid One disagree bro. Did you see his 96 appearance? Holy shit man he was insane in that show. Check out 96 Grand Prix, he was unreal. Everyone in that show was on point.
What if Labrada was to come back that year and 20 pounds heavier?
Ray probably should have won, Levrone second, Yates third, but you're right, they all looked fantastic.
Dorian will always be one of my heroes, but Shawn Ray had the best physique and should of won that year! My parents watching the contest with me and felt Ray got overlooked!
It’s much harder to get a Xmas tree as a mass monster compared to shawn
So are we gonna ignore that rear relaxed Christmas tree ray is sporting @ 12:14 looking like a mini Ronnie Coleman
Dude I knew Dorians right arm was blown in 97… then I learned in 96 it was bad too… but this is 94? How long did he have a torn bicep
94 was the first year
Unfortunately for Shawn Ray, the mass monster age was in. The judges screwed up though on this one. Shawn Ray definitely looked better and should've won.
Yates squashed Ray. Over and out. Remember it's not a beauty contest.
Mr Tomn8er you know what a good bodybuilder should look like.
Shawn Ray should have been Mr. Olympia that year. Sucks that Shawn never won this title during his entire career. He should have had at least one Sandow, and that year should have been his.
I think you should do a Shawn Ray vs Kevin Levrone 94 , he was always saying he should have won that Olympia
Yes, it was definitely Ray. As far as I could tell, he was flawless.
It's true that Yates wasn't at his best in 94 but he had sustained the biceps tear which would of made a cry baby like Ray withdraw. I think Dorian deserved the win. Although Ray edges him in a few poses, Dorian utterly destroys him from the back. The problem with Ray was that he presented pretty much the same package every year. His placing changed according to what the others looked like. In 95 Dorian came back with what was arguably, along with 93, his best ever shape and it wasn't even close.
Yates destroys Shawn . Calves man. Granted Shawn is pleasing to the eye.
Front lat spread? Dorian focuses on his HUGE lats. Levrone and Ray focus on spreading and flexing other body parts to compensate for their lack of lat thickness and width.
Shawn Ray should have won this Mr. O! I can see why he is salty about it: he beat Dorian flat out. He was the most complete bodybuilder that day, I can't believe they gave the win to Dorian.
Shawn really smokes Dorian in the lower body here
Levrone was holding a bit too much water, so 3rd is deserved. Dorian said it best himself about Sean. He mentioned that while Sean may have beat him in 2-3 poses. Dorian still won the majority of mandatory poses. Along with Dorian's overall size and width he took it fairly. It is really true that contests are won from the back and Dorian proved that.
Fair argument but one thing to keep in mind is that the number of mandatories they win is technically irrelevant. While I like to break it down pose by pose (because it only makes sense right?), theoretically a guy can lose like 6/8 poses and still come out ahead because maybe he's more complete or better conditioned or just much bigger overall. So while I agree Dorian probably comes out ahead in the mandatories he was still no where near as complete as Ray and therefore didn't deserve to win.
The whole "contests are won from the back" thing should only go so far. When you have a bloated gut that should cancel out any advantage you have from the back IMO. If this were true Jay would also have beaten Ronnie in 2001 which many people said he should have
I can see your point. There's only one instance in my opinion when Dorian should have lost and that was against Nasser when Nasser took second, I think in 97. Nasser looked incredible and even his back was improved and was by far Nass' best showing.
Ray looked beautiful. I can imagine why he is so bitter nowadays - he should be Mr O 1994. That details and fullness of his legs... damn!
God damn , was just watch a video from this channel and then I clicked on here , next thing you know it , terminator voice scared me cause it was loud , I’m wearing headphones 😂
I’m a huge Yates fan, yet even I feel Shawn should of won in 94!!
1-Shawn Ray 2-Kevin Levrone 3-Chris Cormier
You should do...
Yates vs Ray 1996 WHO REALLY WON? Now that was a real close one too.
I THINK DORIAN WAS DESERVING WINNER
Ray and Levrone are beating Yates hands down in ‘94, on aesthetics, symmetry and Separation. How on Earth did Yates win this, especially with those lumpy poorly separated quads, and that torn bicep destroying all double bicep poses.