I’ve got a theory about the win loss ratio, during free weekend you had a ton of new players who just wanted to play squad it didn’t matter which team, while everyone who regularly played just wanted to play pmcs, promoting an uneven balance of new and veteran players, that’s just my thinking I could be wrong
I would like to add I am an armor main and everytime I play against the pmcs I get Mr Carl Gustav’d before I get to where im going, the pmc infantry is insane
I've noticed that teams that picked them tend to rush the enemies first or second caps, even in RAAS. It can work well to slow down the enemy team with the minigun SUV's but it can be a major detriment if they happened to lose those vics on the rush or the the entire enemy team happens to be on the first cap(Because of the cap speed changes). If the rush fails it will be harder for the PMC's effectively take the mid cap or defend it.
i agree with that, but not just with WPMC. Every faction always play aggressive now, rushing enemy 1st and 2nd cap. i think this happen BCS the new cap system.
I’ve seen the rush, but I’ve seen the rushes fail because so many stay on backcap and stop pushing leaving that squad that extended to die and the team loses ground
@HUMMAMBAD that and the prominence of squad maps. When I first started, people wouldn't rush immediately to a point they didn't know about in game. Not necessarily a bad thing, just changes the way the game is played.
Pretty funny how the community complains about how OP armor is and then the faction without any armor (excluding the M60) is possibly the strongest faction.
Just don't underestimate that M60T it's an extremely strong tank just most matches it doesn't get to shine too much because of the 4 hat kits decimating most enemy armor.😂 But a 120 mm with 2 lahat guided missiles, great armor, fast speed (for an MBT) it's extremely deadly.
I've seen them lose a few times from vehicle losses or getting demolished by good armor players on open maps but like you said, they're overall pretty strong. Idk if they need a nerf yet, it's hard to tell
nailed it brother, especially the part about vic waste. This is, I think, their main weakness, even if u have cap advantage, and have a higher K/D the team has a good chance of losing because of vics. Fought some mech brigade and we lost literally 30 vics to them. This is an absurd number and is like 150 kills worth of tickets and people cant compensate for that loss
Also how does the worst battalion end up being the best? Combined is trash on PMC's. It gets one M113A3 and one Raven over light inf battalion but loses quads and gets 1 M1151 instead of 3 M2 Techie. Also light and air assault have extra hats. Just how do you start winning more by having no quads and less HATs?
@@Slava_Yarmolenko The stats are junk. There could be many number of things throwing it off. For instance, let's say one of the 24/7 Invasion servers defaults to WPMC Combined Arms as the defending team when the server is empty, giving them tons of wins by default. IMO, Light Inf is the best PMC Unit, despite what the stats say.
New content always attracts the best players in the early days. The win ratio shoots up and then normalizes as time passes. This happens in every game that has inflow of new content, it never means that the faction/vehicle is OP
The PMC faction only shines on infantry heavy maps ranging from fallujah to sumari. Outside of that, any faction with wheeled IFVs will absolutely demolish them with a Wolfpack rollout. Played manicougan with PLA ZBLs against the air version of the PMCs. We killed 50 tickets within the first 5 minutes of the game by rushing their second and third point
@@Slay3Kilo Really depends on the map, Mutaha has a ton of cover for infantry to use in the city so armor will always struggle but on some maps the IFV/motorized units are practically a hard-counter. The British are shit outa luck though.
I think people are still adapting to playing against the WPMC more than anything. The MSV is a new addition and even veteran players don't understand what kind of plays it can be made is that asset. Once everyone becomes aware of the different strategies that can be employed, WPMC will be more easily countered, specially when it comes to preventing rushes. As an example, playing against WPMC as Aussies in Fallujah in AAS, we should been struggling to prevent their push. But since we're adapting to the new playstyle of the WPMC already, we expected fast pushes on the city outskirts, so we redirected our ASLAVs to those areas and prevented the flanks, punishing them by destryoing 2 Minigun trucks, a TOW humvee and a logistics techie destroyed in the first 5 minutes. That allowed to keep our backcaps fast and got to the middle cap first, allowing to properly setup defenses. Then we hunted the MSV and took it out with the Abrams. Made the whole match a piece of cake, since we had vehicle superiority covering the caps. I really do think WPMC is a very strong faction with a different playstyle, but its effectiveness will reduce with time when people learn out to counter them. It's similar to when China appeared and everyone thought their vehicles were OP and didnt know how to play against ZBL08 or the ZTZ (which you can't penetrate with sabot from the front). Eventually players adapted and played around those strong points
Jeez, Medi and Confused could've saved some for the rest of us during those layers. M14 trucks, even up close its great. On that Chora layer you showed, taking back that hab at H14 I was able to solo most of a squad with one mag and fancy movement. Definitely strong for sure but able to be countered if you know what you're doing.
No other faction gives you the stability that PMC guns do, especially when bipods are deployed it's like playing pre--ICO. I don't know if they forgot to add the 'sway mechanics' but whether you're for or against the ICO update, it should be balanced. Also, the guns are modeled smaller (perhaps out-of-scale) to take up less of your screen. Compare the Canadian rifleman with optics to the huge (IRL by comparison) M-14. Canadians can barely see around their gun. This is going to cause hip-firing engagements to favor PMCs. You would think that in those situations, an M-14 would be at a disadvantage against a carbine, but such is not the case, especially with the one-hit factor of the m-14 and being able to better see what's in front of it. I think the scale of the new weapons are off, when compared to other factions.
for the wpmc i think they are an even more insurgent/ irregular style faction than the actual imf/ INS factions. Lots of speed to forward deploy infantry AT. Easy enough to redeploy forces using lots of light vehicles. The factions best anti armour strategy is just to fight in lots of separate blobs which the tanks and tow humvee can play around. They do great against airmobile and low armour units but worse against tank/ mechanised units imo
I had a round with them on yeho where our team spread out but had 2 full squads back capping with 2 truck squads running around there too and they other team was mech ausies and their lavs rolled us. We lost all but 1 logi on our second cap and our 3rd point became the main battle where the lavs kept us from defending novo well. It wasn't till the m60 got pulled out that we could get back to 3rd point novo. If the conventional uses wheeled ifvs against them it becomes a slog fest unless the pmcs are dug in and ready with at.
In the right hands pmc is definitely a dangerous/strongest faction because of the sheer speed alone. In the wrong hands the pmc can easily become the weakest faction especially if somebody incompetent gets ahold of the mobile spawn, this is all based off my anecdotal experience though.
They're very fun, but not any more OP than Insurgents (super good AT), and Militia (super good emplacements). The PMC is essentially the best offensive version of the OPFOR, but I would say not so for defensive. The best players playing as them and they're arguable the best faction, but not in my experience generally.
Turks having .7 w/l ratio? After last changes that made all of their armor-oriented battalions have +1 tank??? Are these stats from Potato Fields, EGC and B&B?
The faction is cool but the gear they are wearing is whack as fuck how do you do western PMC and not fo the classic tan vest/ webbing on on black collar shirt look
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I’ve got a theory about the win loss ratio, during free weekend you had a ton of new players who just wanted to play squad it didn’t matter which team, while everyone who regularly played just wanted to play pmcs, promoting an uneven balance of new and veteran players, that’s just my thinking I could be wrong
I would like to add I am an armor main and everytime I play against the pmcs I get Mr Carl Gustav’d before I get to where im going, the pmc infantry is insane
I’ve heard this theory from others and it makes sense! Time will tell! But since Free weekend there W/L hasn’t gone down much.
Are you a doctor?
I've noticed that teams that picked them tend to rush the enemies first or second caps, even in RAAS. It can work well to slow down the enemy team with the minigun SUV's but it can be a major detriment if they happened to lose those vics on the rush or the the entire enemy team happens to be on the first cap(Because of the cap speed changes). If the rush fails it will be harder for the PMC's effectively take the mid cap or defend it.
i agree with that, but not just with WPMC. Every faction always play aggressive now, rushing enemy 1st and 2nd cap. i think this happen BCS the new cap system.
Agree!
I’ve seen the rush, but I’ve seen the rushes fail because so many stay on backcap and stop pushing leaving that squad that extended to die and the team loses ground
@HUMMAMBAD that and the prominence of squad maps. When I first started, people wouldn't rush immediately to a point they didn't know about in game. Not necessarily a bad thing, just changes the way the game is played.
PMCs vs Insurgents is kind of the most fun setup
Pretty fun!
The bird's-eye drone of Confused at 6:54 is sick. Good video! Will be curious to see what OWI does with them going forward. New Units? Balance? etc
I hope more units and maybe this can serve as a helpful template or way to balance new factions.
@@Slay3Kilo Maybe some retroactive looks at underperforming and unloved factions as well
Pretty funny how the community complains about how OP armor is and then the faction without any armor (excluding the M60) is possibly the strongest faction.
It is entertaining lol
Just don't underestimate that M60T it's an extremely strong tank just most matches it doesn't get to shine too much because of the 4 hat kits decimating most enemy armor.😂 But a 120 mm with 2 lahat guided missiles, great armor, fast speed (for an MBT) it's extremely deadly.
@@seawolf8482it's the worst tank except for t62
@@seawolf8482and a MASSIVE easy to hit ammo rack with misaligned sights
it comes down to basically mowing down armored vehicle with 3 or 4 at guys at the same time being a good strategy
I've seen them lose a few times from vehicle losses or getting demolished by good armor players on open maps but like you said, they're overall pretty strong. Idk if they need a nerf yet, it's hard to tell
Yeah, don't think a nerf is necessary!
Definitely need to wait a while for things to settle.
nailed it brother, especially the part about vic waste. This is, I think, their main weakness, even if u have cap advantage, and have a higher K/D the team has a good chance of losing because of vics. Fought some mech brigade and we lost literally 30 vics to them. This is an absurd number and is like 150 kills worth of tickets and people cant compensate for that loss
If you break the W/L ratio down by subfaction, WPMC Air Assault = .88, WPMC Light Inf = .99, WPMC Combined Arms = 1.56.
Interesting, but not surprising, IMO
Also how does the worst battalion end up being the best? Combined is trash on PMC's. It gets one M113A3 and one Raven over light inf battalion but loses quads and gets 1 M1151 instead of 3 M2 Techie. Also light and air assault have extra hats. Just how do you start winning more by having no quads and less HATs?
@@Slava_Yarmolenko The stats are junk. There could be many number of things throwing it off. For instance, let's say one of the 24/7 Invasion servers defaults to WPMC Combined Arms as the defending team when the server is empty, giving them tons of wins by default. IMO, Light Inf is the best PMC Unit, despite what the stats say.
New content always attracts the best players in the early days. The win ratio shoots up and then normalizes as time passes. This happens in every game that has inflow of new content, it never means that the faction/vehicle is OP
@ 5:00 lol he shoots a rocket at the window as the enemy vehicle drives in front of the player without him realizing
The PMC faction only shines on infantry heavy maps ranging from fallujah to sumari. Outside of that, any faction with wheeled IFVs will absolutely demolish them with a Wolfpack rollout.
Played manicougan with PLA ZBLs against the air version of the PMCs. We killed 50 tickets within the first 5 minutes of the game by rushing their second and third point
I've seen wolfpacks get picked apart. IE: the Mutaha round I brought up in the video. It's possible to avoid getting smacked too hard if played right.
@@Slay3Kilo Really depends on the map, Mutaha has a ton of cover for infantry to use in the city so armor will always struggle but on some maps the IFV/motorized units are practically a hard-counter. The British are shit outa luck though.
I think people are still adapting to playing against the WPMC more than anything. The MSV is a new addition and even veteran players don't understand what kind of plays it can be made is that asset. Once everyone becomes aware of the different strategies that can be employed, WPMC will be more easily countered, specially when it comes to preventing rushes.
As an example, playing against WPMC as Aussies in Fallujah in AAS, we should been struggling to prevent their push. But since we're adapting to the new playstyle of the WPMC already, we expected fast pushes on the city outskirts, so we redirected our ASLAVs to those areas and prevented the flanks, punishing them by destryoing 2 Minigun trucks, a TOW humvee and a logistics techie destroyed in the first 5 minutes. That allowed to keep our backcaps fast and got to the middle cap first, allowing to properly setup defenses. Then we hunted the MSV and took it out with the Abrams. Made the whole match a piece of cake, since we had vehicle superiority covering the caps.
I really do think WPMC is a very strong faction with a different playstyle, but its effectiveness will reduce with time when people learn out to counter them. It's similar to when China appeared and everyone thought their vehicles were OP and didnt know how to play against ZBL08 or the ZTZ (which you can't penetrate with sabot from the front). Eventually players adapted and played around those strong points
People are still learning to use it and fight it, just nice to see a faction that comes out and doesn’t struggle too hard!
Jeez, Medi and Confused could've saved some for the rest of us during those layers.
M14 trucks, even up close its great. On that Chora layer you showed, taking back that hab at H14 I was able to solo most of a squad with one mag and fancy movement. Definitely strong for sure but able to be countered if you know what you're doing.
Their HAT-loadouts are pretty sick.
Agreed!
No other faction gives you the stability that PMC guns do, especially when bipods are deployed it's like playing pre--ICO. I don't know if they forgot to add the 'sway mechanics' but whether you're for or against the ICO update, it should be balanced. Also, the guns are modeled smaller (perhaps out-of-scale) to take up less of your screen. Compare the Canadian rifleman with optics to the huge (IRL by comparison) M-14. Canadians can barely see around their gun. This is going to cause hip-firing engagements to favor PMCs. You would think that in those situations, an M-14 would be at a disadvantage against a carbine, but such is not the case, especially with the one-hit factor of the m-14 and being able to better see what's in front of it.
I think the scale of the new weapons are off, when compared to other factions.
for the wpmc i think they are an even more insurgent/ irregular style faction than the actual imf/ INS factions. Lots of speed to forward deploy infantry AT. Easy enough to redeploy forces using lots of light vehicles. The factions best anti armour strategy is just to fight in lots of separate blobs which the tanks and tow humvee can play around. They do great against airmobile and low armour units but worse against tank/ mechanised units imo
I had a round with them on yeho where our team spread out but had 2 full squads back capping with 2 truck squads running around there too and they other team was mech ausies and their lavs rolled us. We lost all but 1 logi on our second cap and our 3rd point became the main battle where the lavs kept us from defending novo well. It wasn't till the m60 got pulled out that we could get back to 3rd point novo. If the conventional uses wheeled ifvs against them it becomes a slog fest unless the pmcs are dug in and ready with at.
Video is vibes bro, kamdesh gotta be the best map ever created in squad, WPMC is perfect for it
Ban?
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The logistics tactical driver coming through
the PMC is more aggressive, that little bird usually targets enemy logis to disrupt supply lines and give intel to allies
Wpmc is a unique faction in that it has the strongest infantry weapons.
Nope, but sure as hell can kick ass when paid handsomely 💥
Yep!
@@Slay3Kilo Just not like the Wagner Group rebellion in 2023AD that explosive level.
In the right hands pmc is definitely a dangerous/strongest faction because of the sheer speed alone. In the wrong hands the pmc can easily become the weakest faction especially if somebody incompetent gets ahold of the mobile spawn, this is all based off my anecdotal experience though.
bro where do I find servers where enemy's turn their back on defensive doorways and enemy's who walk past you
Free weekend helps.
MEA with that 1.30 w/l ratio 💪💪
We are so back
The w in wpmc stands for winners
NOICE
They're very fun, but not any more OP than Insurgents (super good AT), and Militia (super good emplacements). The PMC is essentially the best offensive version of the OPFOR, but I would say not so for defensive. The best players playing as them and they're arguable the best faction, but not in my experience generally.
Turks having .7 w/l ratio? After last changes that made all of their armor-oriented battalions have +1 tank??? Are these stats from Potato Fields, EGC and B&B?
People don't know how to use it. Just constantly attack .
bro will say anything except the fact that PMC is overtuned and way too good
It’s been my experience that the pmc is mid tier it’s definitely not the strongest faction.
I think it's above mid tier
@@Slay3Kilo every game I’ve played going up against the pmc we’ve rolled them. But that’s just been my experience.
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@@Slay3Kilo brother can you make a guide on fortification.
Fortification?
@@Slay3KiloI think he means deployables like bunkers and machine guns.
The WPMC winning the most? More like..."W" PMC amirite?
They suck ass on invasion
its broken even
The faction is cool but the gear they are wearing is whack as fuck how do you do western PMC and not fo the classic tan vest/ webbing on on black collar shirt look
30fps gameplay eye hurting diashow
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