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The first tengu I ever lost was fit very similarly. I think I used a damage control over the 3rd ballistic control… love the ship. Still one of my favorite ships in the game.
you can shave off another 30mil or so off the fit if you use ASBs instead of shield extenders. it means more micro management but in exchange you get a free rig slot to plug the EM hole, a smaller signature and the chance to get even more EHP if you can survive the ASB reload.
@@zaqq the two ASBs would give you about 25k EHP (depending on damage type) in 36 seconds (without heat), which is roughly 700 HP/s. an ishtar probably won't be able break it, although against a loki or some other high damage fit you might bleed armor towards the end.
@@zikaudeles9249 Oh! Ok found it. In your Settings go to "Shortcuts" then go to Combat. For Dscan modify "Directional scan" For Probing modify "Decrease Probe Scan Range", "Increase Probe Scan Range" and "Refresh Probe Scan"
@@zaqq M8 IT might not be glorious. It might not be profitable. But any disruption to a botting in eve deserves a medal. I really do not want to see numbers on report like last year that CCP banned over 42000 accounts for RMT and cheating. It is the ugly truth of eve everyone knows but no-one wants to do anything about it. So if anyone is out there hunting bots is a underrated hero
FINALLY!!! I had lost all hope for society until I found this video.... ok well sort of. This is the first video I have seen in ages where you dont have a bazillion Cap/PG/CPU modules fitted just to run a XLG booster or get a MWD cap stable.
The tengu is godlike if you actually want to do kinetic damage. I think ppl get lost in what their resistances are, because it's literally damage reduction: At 89% resist that means 11% of your 1130 mighty dps make it through, or roughly 125 dps (shot from the hip, this is what the enemy's active tank is up against). Whereas 800 dps vs 30% resist means you get 800 *(1-30%) = 560 actual applied DPS. If the enemy has an active tank of 60 hp/s for argument's sake, this offsets the rate at which his buffer drops: The kinetic version, he loses 125-60 call it 65 hp every second, he'll eventually break but it'll take a while. Meanwhile, in the EM case 560-60 is a whopping 500 dps, about 8-9x as fast a rate of decline. Seriously, if you get to pick damage types, pick the damage type to shoot the enemy's resist hole.
Some nice kills you got there, but tbh i never understood why so many people fly the ishtar this way, i mean yeah you deal rougly 100-200 dps more then a armor counterpart, but you also get deleted easily out of existence. But i like your setup, i also pyfat a while for getting a proper "delete those afk ishtars" out of existence setup, so thanks a lot :) i wish you a happy hunting
They fly them this way because it works perfectly against the rats and being ganked is so rare that losing the odd ishtar is just part of doing business. Trying to fit a ship for pvp and pve equally is painful. Fit it for its main purpose.
Buffer fits do ok for this job, would need to rejig the whole thing for active boosting. Would work just aswell tbh. If not better. Using the buffer keeps the costs down to as the Tengu loves then shiney boosters :). Cheers for watching man o7
Aye happy days man not alotnof geordies about on here lol. I did a proteus around the same time as this vid but its been buffed a bit since then so need to redo it. Got some prot pvp stuff coming very soon with a super cool 500mn fit. Fun stuff. Hit up the description for in game channel and dis man. Plenty nerds there for some banter.
For null roaming like this would it be a good idea to take off one of the missile launcher and loss some dps (or take off the probe launcher assuming you will hunt anomaly ratter who dont need to be scan) to fit a interdiction nullifier and escape the bubble campgate ?
struggle to hit your damage numbers. Even with implants, drugs and overload, im only hitting ur pre-overloaded numbers. Its not my skills, im just shy of 300m. I was using pyfa tho so maybe there is an issue there?
Wierd ya, got a screenie of your fit on pyfa? or jump in my pub chat in game (zaqqs pub) and we can take a look. Also make sure your checking the numbers with scourge loaded, thats what gets the bonus damage.
Not my fave things the drone boats, but i have a couple sitting in jita from the recent pve focused video I did so could repurpose them easily. Will add it to the list of videos to make. Thanks for watching.
every time i jump into a system they see me in local before I can do anything, ur telling me u jump in, cloak scan and they just keep doing their sites?
I’m confused with the missile damage. Why use kinetic missiles if the Ishtar is fitted against that? Isn’t that what guristas are using? Why not use em or something the Ishtar isn’t prepped for?
depending on the region you're ratting in, goinf or the bonused kinetic is not advised like going into Gurista space, Ishtars will be kinetic tanked so you can end up doing 90dps kinetic (at best if they have 90% resist) or 600-750 dps EM cause they're not tanked against that
@@zaqq Lol Came back to eve YT because of boredom and saw you replied. I’ve been using a Tengu for two years to great effect. My next T3C hunter will be a Loki because when you have Cloak, Probes and Cyno (which I do now), you loose a launcher to the cyno on the tengu And yes… I basically never use Scorch on the Tengu. I’ve a,so learned (though only recently) that using faction missiles will have better dps due to application problems - though I like to keep at distance, so I’m not using the web This is one of my catches th-cam.com/video/Gk5dlyvI_ic/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MXY1F_INXXl_of0B 7 hits with EM
@arwo1143 habyea loki is great man, the Web sub really helps with this. I covered that to in the rat hunter series. Let me know how you get one man, and defo shoot me over the clips. Thanks mate good luck.
Of course you don t shoot KINETIC on an Ishtar - - - > Depending if he is shield/armor fit plus in what space it operates meaning vs which NPC type they engage you swap out whatever is needed...
I've covered it a fair bit in some of the longer pvp vids I have done but maybe a dedicated video would be ideal. Will try and squeeze it in soon. Doing alot of pve atm.
@@feffri1 hey ya I mean I dont use the actual scanner probes, just the Directional Scanner most of the time, unless theres something on dscan in a random area of space away from any sites or stations etc. I went over some stuff on this one which was a general null sec pvp process. Let me know if it helps - th-cam.com/video/u3zbtay8Z1U/w-d-xo.html
The navy get more range and have better base application where as the rage has the most dps. Rage is fine vs cruisers when they are under webs imo. But yea gotta use your own judgement for the situation and ship types your shooting. Cheers for watching man o7
Rocks, Papers, Scissor's. The wrong fight its GG. There is no invincibility in eve that's for sure. I had easy ganks, tie ganks and crazy ganks where we both just quit because both are low health. LOL
Hey yea did a proteus one but this was before the recent fitting buffs. Will need to update it at some point. th-cam.com/video/8OK3n33t6Pg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5knlrVeviPRUhAJm
@@zaqq lol i just found this video again and was reminded of my comment, surprised i got an answer. And i do get killed a fair bit by T3s so maybe ppl took ur advice literally
@@francescoragnoni8042 would guess its more people just using the t3's more for the cloaky warping and things tbh. But yea had alot of people giving the tengu especially and try and having success to. Tell you what though, if you get killed by a tengu again I will srp the loss xd. Just send me it in a mail. Cheers mate.
Hey, its actually about skills mate. Couple of things to check first, offensive subsystem needs to be at level 5 and also t2 launchers with their t2 rage ammo and dont forget to overheat to :) Get asked about this alot and planning on making a video specific to it. Feel free to drop a reply if you need more help. Thanks o7
@@zaqq Hello, im new in eve. I copied your fit and simulated it in game. And draw and drop a charge to the simulated ship, then it show 28.28 dps. If I want to see 1130 dps in simulation, should my skill reach your related level? Another question, why your fitting include so many kinds of charges? Should I switch the launcher with a proper charge in a fighting?
@@uyfdtioohey, you will need to set the launchers to overheat mode in game and in pyfa to get that max dps. As for the ammo question, for the tengu it gets a bonus to kinetic missiles so sticking with scourge is usually the best option. But some ships are weakest to other types so its good to be prepared with all types.
In terms of the usual fits it is fairly cheap. Although haven't checked current pricing. Throw me your in game name bro will sort you out a few things. o/
Guess you didn't understand the first clip or even watch the start of the second mate but I can explain. I was using kin vs the kin tank just to show it could still be done. On the start of the second clip I start by saying 'this time we are using the correct ammo/dps'. Hope that clears things up.
@@zaqq So you actually was trying to do no damage, just failing. Got it. Congrats on finding that one stupid Ishtar in 6/10 who can't tank and sits at 0 then I guess.
@@zaqq I think that some people do it to satisfy their ego and earn easy money in the game. In your case, more content is added on which you can earn real money.
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Props for showing the failures too, too many people hide that. bonus points for keeping it true solo, not enough do that either! Well done mate.
Great video. No one ever shows cheap Tengu and Loki fits in streams or videos so thank you.
Appreciate it, Loki is up next.
The first tengu I ever lost was fit very similarly. I think I used a damage control over the 3rd ballistic control… love the ship. Still one of my favorite ships in the game.
Seems pretty solid atm for the current meta of things. Cheers for watching man
oh damn that fit looks epic!! I want to try myself now. Special bcus still havent arrived, but more dps soon ;)
Ahh cheers ace, appreciate you taking the time. Double tengu drop when?? lets go!
you can shave off another 30mil or so off the fit if you use ASBs instead of shield extenders. it means more micro management but in exchange you get a free rig slot to plug the EM hole, a smaller signature and the chance to get even more EHP if you can survive the ASB reload.
Yea thats a good idea, I think the asbs would definitely last their full clips vs a solo target.
@@zaqq the two ASBs would give you about 25k EHP (depending on damage type) in 36 seconds (without heat), which is roughly 700 HP/s. an ishtar probably won't be able break it, although against a loki or some other high damage fit you might bleed armor towards the end.
To speed up your scanning, ALT+Scroll Wheel will adjust the probe scan size.
Yea good tip. Old habits die hard.
You can also map your scanner probe scan range keys, mine are Z to small, X to make bigger and C to refresh probe scan range!
@@zereimu can you do the same for dscan ? cant find that
@@zikaudeles9249 Yeah DScan is with V by default I think, but I can't remember where exactly it is in settings. But you can absolutely modify it.
@@zikaudeles9249 Oh! Ok found it. In your Settings go to "Shortcuts" then go to Combat.
For Dscan modify "Directional scan"
For Probing modify "Decrease Probe Scan Range", "Increase Probe Scan Range" and "Refresh Probe Scan"
Oh Bless thy who hunt bloody bots in guristas space as they will know the gratefulness of unsuspected masses
Its my least favourite form of pew pew :(
@@zaqq M8 IT might not be glorious. It might not be profitable. But any disruption to a botting in eve deserves a medal. I really do not want to see numbers on report like last year that CCP banned over 42000 accounts for RMT and cheating. It is the ugly truth of eve everyone knows but no-one wants to do anything about it. So if anyone is out there hunting bots is a underrated hero
FINALLY!!! I had lost all hope for society until I found this video.... ok well sort of. This is the first video I have seen in ages where you dont have a bazillion Cap/PG/CPU modules fitted just to run a XLG booster or get a MWD cap stable.
Jot a dan of the xl booster fits on the tengu, like you say need to use alot of fitting mods. Cheers.
A new Zaqqgu! Thanks for the present! Merry Christmas Zaqq!
hehe cheers man, have a good one o/
@@zaqq You too!
For ganking ships armor is generally better, looking forward to seeing the loki fit...
Yea for that kinetic. Loki and proteus vids already up. Working on the legion atm. Cheers for watching man o/
The tengu is godlike if you actually want to do kinetic damage.
I think ppl get lost in what their resistances are, because it's literally damage reduction:
At 89% resist that means 11% of your 1130 mighty dps make it through, or roughly 125 dps (shot from the hip, this is what the enemy's active tank is up against).
Whereas 800 dps vs 30% resist means you get 800 *(1-30%) = 560 actual applied DPS.
If the enemy has an active tank of 60 hp/s for argument's sake, this offsets the rate at which his buffer drops: The kinetic version, he loses 125-60 call it 65 hp every second, he'll eventually break but it'll take a while.
Meanwhile, in the EM case 560-60 is a whopping 500 dps, about 8-9x as fast a rate of decline.
Seriously, if you get to pick damage types, pick the damage type to shoot the enemy's resist hole.
Completely agreed. Nice info there to. Cheers for watching.
Tengu 1 v 1?! Great video bro! Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Give me the time and place
"if you get the right fight" last famous words lol
Oh ha yea, thanks for watching mate.
I just sub'd so I can continue to see/hear paul bettany play eve!
Interesting comparison ha, hopefully I wont dissapoint going forward.
Bloody good video once again! MOAR MOAR MOAR
Lokis up next, then i guess we train you into that? lol
love the video and t3 series overall!
Yea thanks mate everyone seemed to enjoy it. Appreciate it.
Some nice kills you got there, but tbh i never understood why so many people fly the ishtar this way, i mean yeah you deal rougly 100-200 dps more then a armor counterpart, but you also get deleted easily out of existence.
But i like your setup, i also pyfat a while for getting a proper "delete those afk ishtars" out of existence setup, so thanks a lot :)
i wish you a happy hunting
I found its easier to kill armour versions tbh. The xl asb shield tank ones are tough to break. Cheers for watching.
They fly them this way because it works perfectly against the rats and being ganked is so rare that losing the odd ishtar is just part of doing business. Trying to fit a ship for pvp and pve equally is painful. Fit it for its main purpose.
Merry Christmas all!
Cheers Nick, merry christmas.
Nice video. Just scary to fly without a shield booster.
Buffer fits do ok for this job, would need to rejig the whole thing for active boosting. Would work just aswell tbh. If not better. Using the buffer keeps the costs down to as the Tengu loves then shiney boosters :). Cheers for watching man o7
I'm from Newcastle so it's good to hear your accent 😊 What about a Proteus build and video?
Oop! Just found it! You're a fast one man 😂
Aye happy days man not alotnof geordies about on here lol. I did a proteus around the same time as this vid but its been buffed a bit since then so need to redo it. Got some prot pvp stuff coming very soon with a super cool 500mn fit. Fun stuff. Hit up the description for in game channel and dis man. Plenty nerds there for some banter.
Wey aye man o7
nice video! merry xmas! :)
Thanks man and merry Christmas to you and your family aswell. o7
Merry xmas son!
Cheers!
aye cheers hope it was a good one for you man
that expiration forget was trying to combat log you something from Elite dangerous where you login the second someone engages you in combat
People combat logging in Elite was the reason I gave up on that game.
For null roaming like this would it be a good idea to take off one of the missile launcher and loss some dps (or take off the probe launcher assuming you will hunt anomaly ratter who dont need to be scan) to fit a interdiction nullifier and escape the bubble campgate ?
Yea man, loads of options for the t3's. Cheers for watching.
struggle to hit your damage numbers. Even with implants, drugs and overload, im only hitting ur pre-overloaded numbers. Its not my skills, im just shy of 300m. I was using pyfa tho so maybe there is an issue there?
Wierd ya, got a screenie of your fit on pyfa? or jump in my pub chat in game (zaqqs pub) and we can take a look. Also make sure your checking the numbers with scourge loaded, thats what gets the bonus damage.
@@zaqq been playing since jan 2004 but been on a massive break for last 5 years lol. Reverted to noobness. Forgot all about Rage ammo, like an idiot.
@@delboi1978 well there ya go lad ha.
@@zaqq awesome vid tho, showing what can be done on a smallish budget. Looking forward to the legion and prot fits.
Hi bro!) Very funny) how many time you spend to find that noobs/bots?
Not much time at all. Ishtars are the most commonly used null sec ratting ships so they are all over the place.
Proteus plz. Epic video as always mate
Working on it right now chris lad!
@@zaqq hope you had a great Christmas 🎄 mate
That skin is gorgeous lol
One of the better ones yea, cheers man o7
Good video dude
Appreciate it man thanks for watching.
this is why you need a second account to scout ahead hehe :)
Together we solo :)
Tried a hunter Stratios? Would really like to see one of those please!
Not my fave things the drone boats, but i have a couple sitting in jita from the recent pve focused video I did so could repurpose them easily. Will add it to the list of videos to make. Thanks for watching.
every time i jump into a system they see me in local before I can do anything, ur telling me u jump in, cloak scan and they just keep doing their sites?
Always bet on people notnpaying attention. Only takes a few seconds to scan someone down. Most of them are probably bots to so hey ho. Good luck
How do you catch these ishtars? I struggle catching them with a ceptor.
Fast on the d scan and alot of luck buddy. Most of them will be semi afk.
I’m confused with the missile damage. Why use kinetic missiles if the Ishtar is fitted against that? Isn’t that what guristas are using? Why not use em or something the Ishtar isn’t prepped for?
Swap as needed mate yea. Generally start off with kinetic since tengu bonus then see.
Prefer this one over the loki one?
I like the loki better for general pvp aye.
depending on the region you're ratting in, goinf or the bonused kinetic is not advised
like going into Gurista space, Ishtars will be kinetic tanked
so you can end up doing 90dps kinetic (at best if they have 90% resist)
or 600-750 dps EM cause they're not tanked against that
Yea ran into some issues with a few, Loki seems better at this job to. Thanks mate o7
@@zaqq
Lol
Came back to eve YT because of boredom and saw you replied.
I’ve been using a Tengu for two years to great effect. My next T3C hunter will be a Loki because when you have Cloak, Probes and Cyno (which I do now), you loose a launcher to the cyno on the tengu
And yes… I basically never use Scorch on the Tengu.
I’ve a,so learned (though only recently) that using faction missiles will have better dps due to application problems - though I like to keep at distance, so I’m not using the web
This is one of my catches
th-cam.com/video/Gk5dlyvI_ic/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MXY1F_INXXl_of0B
7 hits with EM
@arwo1143 habyea loki is great man, the Web sub really helps with this. I covered that to in the rat hunter series. Let me know how you get one man, and defo shoot me over the clips. Thanks mate good luck.
We are Beltalowda, deploy the artillery thrasher fleet.
Arty thrasher such a fun ship man!
👍👍👍
Cheers for checking it out o7
Of course you don t shoot KINETIC on an Ishtar - - - > Depending if he is shield/armor fit plus in what space it operates meaning vs which NPC type they engage you swap out whatever is needed...
Thanks for watching mate cheers.
did you ever do a scanning tutorial on how you locate them so quickly
I've covered it a fair bit in some of the longer pvp vids I have done but maybe a dedicated video would be ideal. Will try and squeeze it in soon. Doing alot of pve atm.
@@zaqq could you point me to one I have perfect eve skills in scanning but seem to be shit at doing it quickly with my real world skills
@@feffri1 hey ya I mean I dont use the actual scanner probes, just the Directional Scanner most of the time, unless theres something on dscan in a random area of space away from any sites or stations etc. I went over some stuff on this one which was a general null sec pvp process. Let me know if it helps - th-cam.com/video/u3zbtay8Z1U/w-d-xo.html
Brutal .
Hey thanks for checking it out o7
Respect for killing Fraternity! Hate that suicide guys in high secs!
Always get a fight from those nerds.
idk why are you using rage on cruisers when everybody use navy? trying to learn eve.thank you.
The navy get more range and have better base application where as the rage has the most dps. Rage is fine vs cruisers when they are under webs imo. But yea gotta use your own judgement for the situation and ship types your shooting. Cheers for watching man o7
just saying ishtar has a very high kinetic resist though
Yea man for sure. Not the best got the tengu and proteus. Still does ok though. Cheers for checking it out man
What the passive regen. With n without nirvana's
Sitting at 40hp/s but its not really built around regen etc, just raw HP buffer. Cheers for watching mate.
Rocks, Papers, Scissor's. The wrong fight its GG. There is no invincibility in eve that's for sure. I had easy ganks, tie ganks and crazy ganks where we both just quit because both are low health. LOL
Lol well said. I had to give up a few fights because of not being able to break a few tanks ha. Cheers man
What do you get from ganking when you do not even take the loot? I dont really see the point
When the loots worth taking I do. But yea I dont normally hunt ratters, was really just to show case the fit.
@@zaqq ah ok thx for explaining :)
Proteus?
Hey yea did a proteus one but this was before the recent fitting buffs. Will need to update it at some point. th-cam.com/video/8OK3n33t6Pg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5knlrVeviPRUhAJm
Nice video 🇳🇴😊
Thanks for watching o/
Honestly ECM needs to be nurfed. There is no way ecm drones should be able to jam a tech 3 cruiser twice like that. Old argument.
Yea ecm alweays rough when its 1v1 sorta style. Just one of those things thats never gonna be right in the game.
Tengu Sucka!!! Keep em coming.
Who would have though the tengu had the most dps now lol. Cheers man o7
Never crossed my capsuleer mind that the Tengu and a Curse or two would make a toxic trio tag team in this current patch. Needs more experimentation.
@@CSSUcommand giving me ideas :)
You know where to find me, send an eve mail and we'll establish connection for more fun ideas.
My IGN Is Ishtar B... soooo, shuld i get prepared?
ha nah man, was just for these vids. :)
@@zaqq lol i just found this video again and was reminded of my comment, surprised i got an answer.
And i do get killed a fair bit by T3s so maybe ppl took ur advice literally
@@francescoragnoni8042 would guess its more people just using the t3's more for the cloaky warping and things tbh. But yea had alot of people giving the tengu especially and try and having success to. Tell you what though, if you get killed by a tengu again I will srp the loss xd. Just send me it in a mail. Cheers mate.
you dont need a fancy ship to kill FRAT bots :P
Tengu classed as fancy these days is it xd.
what is you in game chat
Zaqqs pub
i play eve echoes i dont see that ship in game
correct
Hmm i can only get 741 dps with scourge rage
I have max skills for all missiles, also make sure your Tengu offesive subsystem is trained to 5, that gives a massive boost per level of dps.
@@zaqq Ah cheers
Damn, where are you getting 1130 DPS from. Exact same build I get 361 DPS. I don't think there's enough skill to give me like, 300% more damage lol.
Hey, its actually about skills mate. Couple of things to check first, offensive subsystem needs to be at level 5 and also t2 launchers with their t2 rage ammo and dont forget to overheat to :) Get asked about this alot and planning on making a video specific to it. Feel free to drop a reply if you need more help. Thanks o7
@@zaqq Hello, im new in eve. I copied your fit and simulated it in game. And draw and drop a charge to the simulated ship, then it show 28.28 dps. If I want to see 1130 dps in simulation, should my skill reach your related level? Another question, why your fitting include so many kinds of charges? Should I switch the launcher with a proper charge in a fighting?
Hello again, I just used Pyfa to check your fit, the dps is 961, if I set level 5 and with charge of Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x1200@@zaqq
@@uyfdtioohey, you will need to set the launchers to overheat mode in game and in pyfa to get that max dps. As for the ammo question, for the tengu it gets a bonus to kinetic missiles so sticking with scourge is usually the best option. But some ships are weakest to other types so its good to be prepared with all types.
outch
Thanks for watching mate.
A cheapish Tengu he says. LOLOL I wish I had a cheapish Tengu.
In terms of the usual fits it is fairly cheap. Although haven't checked current pricing. Throw me your in game name bro will sort you out a few things. o/
@@zaqq My in game name is Azuraz Dandaridae
Proof that gankers are stupid, shooting kinetic into Ishtar in Guristas space, are you TRYING to do no damage?
Guess you didn't understand the first clip or even watch the start of the second mate but I can explain. I was using kin vs the kin tank just to show it could still be done. On the start of the second clip I start by saying 'this time we are using the correct ammo/dps'. Hope that clears things up.
@@zaqq So you actually was trying to do no damage, just failing. Got it.
Congrats on finding that one stupid Ishtar in 6/10 who can't tank and sits at 0 then I guess.
@Shareezz seem to be going hard there mate, either way thanks for the feedback.
@@zaqq Do you typically just shoot EM damage into Ishtars? does it matter what part of space they are in? Do they fit differently?
he was already under npc, so you just rat him, what to be proud of?, lol
you think people do this to proud of it? lol
@@zaqq I think that some people do it to satisfy their ego and earn easy money in the game. In your case, more content is added on which you can earn real money.
Its a good way to make some isk for sure, lots of pimp fit ratters out there.
Why kill a venture and a heron in a Tengu? That's super whack man, probably poor players trying to make a buck. You're whack for that.
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Kills a kill. They know the risks. Thanks for watching o7
So pvp is ilegall now? They know the dangers bro.