This is terrible! | Hornby Limited Edition "Lord of the Isles" train pack | Model Railway Review
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- In this video we take a look at Hornby catalogue number R795.
This is a limited edition train pack believed to be from 1981. However it seems to just be a re-release of some older Tri-Ang items in a fancy box.
In this video I'll unbox the model train set, and then look at each model in detail, and then give the locomotive a service and a test run.
I'll also make a recommendation if you should consider buying this Hornby train pack or not.
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I would expect this set is intended specifically for those nostalgic for the Triang sets, and is obviously not intended for serious modellers.
The fact is that this is simply a reedition of the 1960’s set, so it’s perfectly normal that the mouldings are marked Triang and are so simple with moulded handrails etc. The aim was to reintroduce one of the old models, people who buy this would know they were buying a vintage model with all the limitations of those times.
Typifies Hornby, selling old triang trains with slightly upgraded wheels, I think if they are going to charge the high price for this, as you said, coaches with no interiors, even the door handles have just been painted brown, basically just a toy
Never mind the brake blocks not being in line on the coach bogies. The bogies are entirely wrong! They represent British Railways MK1 bogies of the 1950s.
C'mon...your looking at a pack thats 44 years old, based on the Lord of the Isles first released in 1961 making the basic tooling 64 years old through 2024 eyes spoilt by Accurascale...and expecting sprung buffers lol. Yes, there was a modern re-issue - R.2560 2006 Lord Of The Isles Anniversary Pack. And although produced in China, with a modern paint finish was essentially the original tooling but tweaked a little
Hornby did re-release this in about 2006, R2560. The loco chassis was re-engineered with a new motor, pick-ups also on front bogie, and it ran much better. It also had a very nice paint job with good quality lining etc. No changes to the mouldings though, and the coaches were the same, except no numbers, I think. It was still a lot of money for what it was.
Internal motion gear has to be balanced, just like external motion gear. hence the wheel weight.
I had this train in the 60's, except mine had a smoke generator fitted to the loco. This set is merely a copy of that Triang set with no improvements or upgrades. I do not think that this reviewer knows much about trains or railway history. It is a Dean single with coaches in typical GWR chocolate and cream livery. The most recent version of it is not that much better detailed.
Nice to see that Hornby were just as lazy with their 'Special Edition' packs in the 80s as they are now. They could at least have stuck some GWR transfers on the coaches.
The cylinders and crank are not modelled but the drive wheels should have weights to balance the crank /wheel assembly.
I had that locomotive back in the 1970's, the motor was wired backwards, so I had to remember to set the controller to reverse of what every other locomotive I had ran with. I believe the chimney cap was metal - it fell off and I lost it, so my Grandfather fashioned a plastic cap and painted it copper colour. It had very low power, so those coaches were about all it would run reliably with. The coaches do offer a cheap opportunity for modelers to improve - maybe 3D print an interior, looks like the wheels are metal so could have lighting added, and an opportunity to apply more typical adornments.
I think this set is just typical for the standards of UK models in the era this was sold, even when the first edition was already released 20 years earlier.
Most models you could get around 1980 were very crude and simple compared to what we have now, those models were years behind the products of the continental manufacturers like Fleischmann, Roco and Märklin both in detailing and the build quality.
But a skilled modeller should be able to make something very nice out of these models.
The same mechanism was used for other super single models too, like the Stirling Single, Midland Spinner and CR 123 which all have been made by Hornby.
I see Hornby are living up to their reputation :)
Too old a model to be presented as some sort of special release.No amount of fancy packaging and branding can change that. I do have a Caledonian Single in LMS livery with much finer wheel standards on the loco. No idea if the Dean loco was upgraded that way. Should have been. You can upgrade the body with numerous extra details, as I have with my old Dean loco but it'll always be just average. The coaches were many years ahead of their time in terms of ready to run vehicles with moulded wooden body side detailing. Modellers have spent huge amounts of time and effort upgrading/rebuilding them to produce some amazing results.
I'm fortunate enough to have a rake of coaches that were totally reworked by a modeller much more expert than I will ever be. They resemble professionally built and painted etch brass kits. Extraordinary! And they cost just £80 from the model shop in Guildford back in 1985 when the coaches were out of production and would cost probably as much to buy the basic plastic models if you could find them. The more recent Hornby GW clerestories have always been a disappointment with no moulded detail just screen printed.
The locomotive was rereleased in 2008 with "new tooling", basically the same model you have with 8-pin DCC ready.
The coaches were also rereleased later with a far superior paint job, decorations and an interior!
That particular limited edition I would consider to be a toy train at best!
I though this was quite a reasonable assessment. Whilst not singing many praises it was honest. All those in the know would agree I'm sure. I am old enough to remember the original set in the sixties. I'm very surprised that it was a presentation set, as were you. I didn't know it had been released then, l would have had one at the time. The real locos ere very famous in their day as high speed runners with light weight London to West of England expresses. I think it was Lord of the Isles itself that held a record at the time, hence it's status. It would be great to see a modern version of the set produced today. As for the coaches, slightly short on prototype, but have BR bogies if I remember rightly!! They do actually paint up very well to the elaborate livery of the 1900-20's because of the rather thick detail on the sides. I had several in days gone by. Recently found one at a car boot, but the ancient plastic had become quite brittle and needed very careful handling. 👍👍👍
Perhaps Accurascale could make this for us.
FWIW these are clerestory coaches, eg Wikipedia:. 'clear storey', also clearstory, clearstorey, or overstorey; from Old French cler estor) is a high section of wall that contains windows above eye-level. Its purpose is to admit light, fresh air, or both.
Not keen on the coaches or the "Limited / Special Edition" marketing, but I've always had a soft spot for the loco. It was quite cutting edge when it was first released.
I have the Caledonian Single which is basically the same model. I first bought one about 10 years ago but was very frustrated with its inability to pass through points. I sold it only to shortly thereafter to see OOBill replace the magnet with lead weights. He also later added pickups and new wheels for the front bogie.
I was able to find another loco and immediately replaced the magnet and tried adding weights to the tender, the additional weights did not help.
I can get the loco and tender to negotiate the points relatively smoothly at a speed around 35-40 mph.
Three or four coaches are easily hauled but might be improved with new front wheels.
In general itten model is badly designed given the rocking motion front to back. Additional weights should have been provided above the rear wheels
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I will get around to replacing the front wheels but living in Canada it is expensive for postage.
the issue is that the spring pickup is tight enough to stop the rear wheel from spinning. Weight at the back helps, but where does it go? The cab? It's only good with steel wheels on steel track from the 60s really. Was never the right thing to try to develop. Bill's solution was a good idea, but still doesn't solve a lot of issues. Running at the toy train speed they were meant to be used at and there aren't many complaints!
I have the more recent "Victorian Train Set" which is basically the same model. The main difference is that the front bogue is wired, contributing to the pickups. The model was originally designed to use the magaddition system. This makes use of the old steel track to help with traction, which does not work on modern nickel-silver tracks. Lacking this the model does tend to rock, leading to stuttering running (if you can get sufficient weight in the back of the loco this can help).
Hornby had announced that they were going to reissue the Caledonian Single, which is the same model in Caledonian Blue. They cancelled the release because the moulds had been damaged. We probably won't see this model unless Hornby (or someone else) does a new version; at great expense (at least from Hornby. While the Caledonian/Stirling Singles were standard gauge I believe the original "Lord of the Isle" was GWR broad gauge. Which is a whole different problem.
The original Gooch 'Lord of the Isles' was a broad gauge loco. This is a later Dean loco with the same name, but it was standard gauge.
The Cale single wasn't simply this model in blue - it was a different model altogether, of the preserved engine, No 123. Its boiler had been stretched, as the Dean is a physically longer engine, but otherwise was a pretty good piece. I'm sorry to hear the moulds have been wrecked - not too long ago it came out in LMS red, and looked quite nice.
As for the imbalance, take the magnet out of the chassis block (this is on the older models), and replace it with a block of lead, then cut a rectangle of lead to fit the cab footplate. If you're sufficiently skilled with a soldering iron and metal strip, make a bogie for the two leading tender axles, with a pivot arm mounted somewhere around the third axle, and fit two pairs of metal tender wheels. Then pack some weight into the coal space, and alter the drag plate (tender drawbar coupling) so that it throws its weight onto the engine's drawbar. My model will happily handle three of the more recent GWR Clerestories, which are twice the weight of the originals without any effort now.
The original 30 locomotives were broad guage 2-2-2 configuration, but later rebuilt to standard guage 4-2-2 configuration with a further 22 added to the fleet at that time.
The locomotive has Hornby moulded in the plastic and everything else is Triang,
Of course it is, it's an old Tri-ang thing.
what did you expect from a 1980's Model?
Take an other one from that date, and you'll have the same conclusion.
At that time it was more about quantity than quality, and keep in mind a lot of modelers now where children back than and they had to be cheap made, or we couldn't afford them.
For the better model look at Airfix or Mainline, and even than they will disappoint you…
Like now you mean?
Hmmm, definitely a pass for me. Thanks for review.
It's a toy train and I'll take it any day over any of the made in China crap.
I'd rather have the good old ones from Tri-ang/ Tri-ang Hornby plus the coaches
I suppose it would be ok if bought at an appropriate price.
Personally, I wouldn’t buy it though.
Triang model dating to early sixties
Coulda been worse and been a lord of the rings train pack
lol true! Maybe we'll see that one day 🤣
I think you're being a bit unfair bearing in mind this is an over 40 year old model which utilises the tooling from an earlier model from the 1960s. You can't expect vintage models to be of the same standard as today's models. The model has been re-released in more recent times but as a nostalgia model aimed at those of us who had the original model as children. At the end of the day if you don't like something then don't buy it.
What a lemon
It would run slower with a five pole motor.
the XT60 motor dates to the late 50s, they were never going to make a 5 pole version. The 5 pole version of the X04 works an absolute treat though!
5 poles run smoother, not slower. And even then a good quality 3 pole can run rings around a lesser 5 pole.
70 year old 3 pole motor in a br89 on pwm running a consistent scale 0.06 kph, over 2 minutes for one wheel revolution.
Absolutely rubbish....you highlighted all shortcomings.....
too expensive and poor quality
I know it’s old but it’s just rubbish.👎
The engine is actually very good, by the standards of the 1960s or, personally speaking, even now. In the 60s it was outstanding; the first mass produced rtr veteran engine in OO.
The carriages were basic, even then, yes - keeping the weight down. But they've been amazingly popular over the years, being rebuilt into almost everything that ran on the pre-grouping railways - and on the 3 foot narrow gauge! Indeed, they're still sought after on the second hand market. Not bad for 'rubbish'.
@@JohnDavies-cn3ro "The engine is actually very good, by the standards of the 1960s" - To the extent that Guy Williams used the dome moulding on one of his scratch-built models for the Pendon Museum layout.
@Nimboid-20 I used the bufferbeam from a hornby TTA tanker chassis, doesn't make the hornby TTA tanker better...
if you can maintain and tinker with them (like a railway modeller and not the seemingly common 'plonk it on the track and expect the best' attitude) you can get good performance out of it. I expect it is probably older than you in it's design, so its not doing badly. Its a totally different thing to the £300+ ultra detailed DCC sound things of today. These certainly have more character. Originally built for childrens train sets unfortunately Hornby of the 80s made a few daft decisions. Lets not forget the 'Railroad plus' tat we get now, the same technique. Lima models with a chinese motor and new paint. The same as this, a modeller spends £175 or £20 on the lima loco and some skill to get it going just as well and paint it up and detail it to rival the railways range not the railroad range.... for less than the cost of a 'new' model.