@LeComte13 Yes I have done Uechi Ryu. There is no problem about that. I said we DO change from open hand to closed hand in Mutudi kata. It is actually normal in any Okinawan Karate kata to change from closed to open and open to closed. Cheers.
Thanks for the kind answer . Much appreciated . About 1920 , Dai Nippon Butokukai ordered masters to "organize" their methods to accept Karatê as an official Japanese Martial Art . But , as we can see , okinawan techniques aren't "organized" like in Koryu Bugei . Koppojutsu , Jujutsu , Aiki , Ken , Buki , and etc ... I think this happening is one of the "sources" of modern Karate problems . Even in okinawan schools the practice is this "japanese-like" way to punching-and-blocking ...
Wonderful video.. Motobu Udun Ti is a soft style as I know.. It's interesting how they have added Sanchin to their system.. Seems, not so hard like in goju ryu.. Anywa, interesting video
Absolutely. In kata, we must understand the techniques came first. The kata were created to document the techniques. Di gives a glimpse at one some of the early training methodologies were without the confusing misdirection of kata. Glad to help any time.
@sweetfly66 Mutudi ichi is closed hand, Mutudi ni is open hand. Otherwise they are the same kata. Some are doing one, some the other. What is being shown is the complexity of Okinawan Budo. With its diverse history of influences, even the most basic techniques can change form and become something advanced. As an example, with regard to these forms, there is hardly a single "punch" being thrown!" It is mostly tuidi and nage/ kuzushi waza.
@sweetfly66 Its a demo... There is no reason. They are simply showing the different techniques of the system. When practicing iaido (sword) kata in demo, you'll see some doing the same kata right handed and some doing it left handed simultaneously. In kobudo, you'll see the same kata done by everyone but some are using a bo, some an eku, some even a yari or naginata. The idea behind udundi is that all of the principles are the same regardless of what weapon/ lack of weaponry is being used.
Also it is not a version of Sanchin, although it looks like it. It technically isn't even kata in the karate sense of the wordwhich is confusing to the karateka watching it. Everything about Mutudi practice is actually the exact opp. of sanchin practice. Imagine just doing front kicks up and down the floor...this is more like what you see here in Motobu Udundi. It is a practice of the Mutudi Kamae, not necessarily kata. Some will even change from closed to open within the same kata. Cheers.
Hi Robert . I think you have some knowledge on Motobu Udundi . I practice Shorinryu Karate , and I'm making a research on traditional kata applications , because we're used to believe they are so misunderstood nowadays . So far away from it's martial roots . I think Motobu-ryu is a trustful source to do some research on . Is there some relashionship with traditional Okinawan Karate and "Di" techniques ? Sorry for the bad english . Peace .
Unfortunately if you see one public demo of Motobu ryu you have seen them all. These are nothing like the dynamic waza seen behind closed doors and while there is a logic I feel it would be either better to show a small practical aspect or not show anything at all.
Di in Okinawa does not only mean "hand" in Okinawa. It means "Bujutsu". Therefore Udundi means the royal household's Bujutsu. Yes, it is a Sogo Bujutsu, if you need to use Japanese terminology. The arts are not separated into Taijutsu, Buki (Kobu) jutsu, Iaijutsu, Jujutsu, etc. like the Japanese martial arts. As an example, Toidi, is a facet of it, just as chin na is a facet of Chuan fa (Kempo). Again, everyone is trying to get a black and white answer for something without knowing anytng abt it
... system . But when we try to apply the ancient kata techniques , with this mindset , the things became really NONSENSE . So , I always used to believe that this methodology is completely wrong . The one way to get good understanding of traditional kata is researching these old and original methods . Sadly , I can't get classes of this marvelous style (I'm from Brazil) . But this videos on internet can give some idea of what is the REAL TRADITIONAL Okinawan Bujutsu . Peace .
@LeComte13 Yes I have done Uechi Ryu. There is no problem about that. I said we DO change from open hand to closed hand in Mutudi kata. It is actually normal in any Okinawan Karate kata to change from closed to open and open to closed. Cheers.
Thanks for the kind answer . Much appreciated .
About 1920 , Dai Nippon Butokukai ordered masters to "organize" their methods to accept Karatê as an official Japanese Martial Art . But , as we can see , okinawan techniques aren't "organized" like in Koryu Bugei . Koppojutsu , Jujutsu , Aiki , Ken , Buki , and etc ... I think this happening is one of the "sources" of modern Karate problems .
Even in okinawan schools the practice is this "japanese-like" way to punching-and-blocking ...
Wonderful video.. Motobu Udun Ti is a soft style as I know.. It's interesting how they have added Sanchin to their system.. Seems, not so hard like in goju ryu.. Anywa, interesting video
Absolutely. In kata, we must understand the techniques came first. The kata were created to document the techniques.
Di gives a glimpse at one some of the early training methodologies were without the confusing misdirection of kata. Glad to help any time.
@sweetfly66 Mutudi ichi is closed hand, Mutudi ni is open hand. Otherwise they are the same kata. Some are doing one, some the other. What is being shown is the complexity of Okinawan Budo. With its diverse history of influences, even the most basic techniques can change form and become something advanced. As an example, with regard to these forms, there is hardly a single "punch" being thrown!" It is mostly tuidi and nage/ kuzushi waza.
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@sweetfly66 Its a demo... There is no reason. They are simply showing the different techniques of the system. When practicing iaido (sword) kata in demo, you'll see some doing the same kata right handed and some doing it left handed simultaneously. In kobudo, you'll see the same kata done by everyone but some are using a bo, some an eku, some even a yari or naginata. The idea behind udundi is that all of the principles are the same regardless of what weapon/ lack of weaponry is being used.
Also it is not a version of Sanchin, although it looks like it. It technically isn't even kata in the karate sense of the wordwhich is confusing to the karateka watching it. Everything about Mutudi practice is actually the exact opp. of sanchin practice. Imagine just doing front kicks up and down the floor...this is more like what you see here in Motobu Udundi. It is a practice of the Mutudi Kamae, not necessarily kata. Some will even change from closed to open within the same kata. Cheers.
@robertmrivers from closed hand to open hand? so what's the problem about that?
have you ever seen Uechi Ryu Sanchin?
Hi Robert . I think you have some knowledge on Motobu Udundi . I practice Shorinryu Karate , and I'm making a research on traditional kata applications , because we're used to believe they are so misunderstood nowadays . So far away from it's martial roots . I think Motobu-ryu is a trustful source to do some research on .
Is there some relashionship with traditional Okinawan Karate and "Di" techniques ?
Sorry for the bad english .
Peace .
Unfortunately if you see one public demo of Motobu ryu you have seen them all. These are nothing like the dynamic waza seen behind closed doors and while there is a logic I feel it would be either better to show a small practical aspect or not show anything at all.
Di in Okinawa does not only mean "hand" in Okinawa. It means "Bujutsu". Therefore Udundi means the royal household's Bujutsu. Yes, it is a Sogo Bujutsu, if you need to use Japanese terminology. The arts are not separated into Taijutsu, Buki (Kobu) jutsu, Iaijutsu, Jujutsu, etc. like the Japanese martial arts. As an example, Toidi, is a facet of it, just as chin na is a facet of Chuan fa (Kempo). Again, everyone is trying to get a black and white answer for something without knowing anytng abt it
Would someone kindly explain what else he taught besides Motobu Udundi? I was under the impression that it is a sogo bujutsu. Is that not correct?
Do u have another clips of Uehara Sensei?
@robertmrivers sorry, I had misunderstood you,
cheers
Okinawan = mutudi, japansese = motote. Both correct.
... system .
But when we try to apply the ancient kata techniques , with this mindset , the things became really NONSENSE . So , I always used to believe that this methodology is completely wrong . The one way to get good understanding of traditional kata is researching these old and original methods .
Sadly , I can't get classes of this marvelous style (I'm from Brazil) . But this videos on internet can give some idea of what is the REAL TRADITIONAL Okinawan Bujutsu .
Peace .