Canon 200-800 Vs 800 f/11 Vs 100-500 +1.4x TC Birds In Flight with Canon EOS R6 Mark II + BONUS
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- I went back to the Hiwassee Wildlife Refuge to photograph Sandhill Cranes. This time I used the Canon EOS R6 mark II and the following lenses. The new RF 200-800 f/6.3-9, the RF 800 f/11, the RF 100-500 with the 1.4x Teleconverter Extender, and lastly the new RF 200-800 lens with the 1.4x TC which gave me 1120mm at f/13. Honestly, I was happy with all four combinations. What surprised me was how good the new 200-800mm lens is when used with the 1.4x extender.
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I was hoping to let the viewer draw their own conclusions after looking at the images but many commenters want me to present a verdict. So here it is. They all focused well on the R6 mark II for these bird-in-flight images, even the 800 f/11. When it comes to sharpness. The 100-500 with the 1.4 extender might have a very slight edge over the new 200-800 at 800mm. The margin between the 200-800 and the 800 f/11 seems a little wider to my eye but even the 800 f/11 was able to produce decent images. None of this surprised me. What I wasn't expecting was the images I was able to capture when using the 200-800 with the 1.4x extender! Some of my favorites of the day were made at 1120mm with the 200-800 and the 1.4x TC!
Appreciate the honest comparison although I’m still unable to reach a conclusion myself. Currently shooting an R5 with the 100-500 and most often the 1.4 converter. Always wanting more reach the 200-800 is interesting or maybe get the R7 for crop sensor reach? Or save money and keep shooting the way I have. Hmmm,,,,
The reality is most watch these on their iPhones so there is no way to see details required to draw our own conclusions so your conclusions are the key :)
Thank you so much. We greatly value your conclusion. Will it be possible to make a comparison of the bokeh between the 200-800 at maximum aperture and the 100-500, in 500mm also at maximum aperture to see how both lenses behave. (It is to see if those 800 mm compensate for that lack of aperture to produce beautiful blurs) You don't have to go out, you can do it with a stuffed animal or element. It would be very valuable. From already thank you very much for your time
Thanks for your conclusions. We can't see the differences as well in the TH-cam video as you can see them working with the full resolution pictures. Also we can't know how each lens performs regarding focus speed and accuracy, particularly with fast moving action like birds in flight, so we definitely rely on your experience to tell us. :)
Its clear from the 4k video on a 5k screen that the L glass renders much better. more micro contrast, better feather detail and the image just pops!
It was highly unlikely that the 200-800 was going to be 'great' - now this is wholly subjective compared to YOUR budget.
Phil..........your recent posts are awesome! Love seeing the product reviews and especially today's lens comparison. Keep 'em coming.......they are fantastic!!
Thank you, Sheldon!
Phil. You are one of the few humble photographers I have come across on this platform that doesn’t have an ego bigger than their camera bag! 🤣😂I love your work! Keep em coming!
Thank you!
Well... it was a big pleasure to join you! Awesome photos!!
Thank you!
Thanks Phil. looks like the 500 with 1.4x and the 200-800 were very much the same with the budget 800 lagging. Great set of photos for me to compare. Appreciate the video to help all of us with input towards decision making moving forward. Also glad I was able to see some great Sandhill crane shots a the same time and not just a stick figure : )
Thank you! I agree with your assessment.
Phil you are killing it right now! Your cross brand reviews keep e everything in perspective. I appreciate iate the way you shoot , thousands of us may shoot with similar gear and hopefully getting results as you have brought us. The 200_800 is looking quite promising for CAnon shooters. Looking forward to further reviews in the near future.
Thank you for this kind comment! :)
Thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video like always Phil and so many beautiful pictures, have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year 🎅🎄🎉🤗
Thank you, Miguel!
Thank you! This is exactly what I have been wanting to see!
Thank you!
Yess! What everyone has been waiting for!
Thank you!
Great shots! I love the Sandhill Cranes. The teleconverter held up great. Out of the combinations looked like they all performed well.
Thank you! There were no losers in the video.
Amazing pictures!! Great review. Thanks!
Thank you!
An informative and interesting look at the lens. Some really nice photography of the Cranes. Great job.
Thank you, Dan! :)
Thank you. That was great
Thank you, Neil!
Some great shots in there Phil. Thanks for sharing the comparison on the lenses
Thank you, Adrain!
Nikon has to do something,,we need 200-800 too
Fantastic practical showcase of the 1-500 with rf 1.4x. 🙏
Thank you!
Gracias, bonitas fotografías Phil.
Thank you!
Thanks for the lens comparison. Great crane photos. Thanks Phil.
Thank you, Ken!
Phil, thank you very much. You’re a very good photographer and videographer.
I think the entire Canon RF community owes you a debt of gratitude for this video. It’s the best one I’ve seen in real life with a production model of the RF 200 - 800 lens.
Before putting on the 1.4 extender with the 200-800, to me, looking at my iPhone, The RF 100-500 with the 1.4 extender looks the sharpest. Next I would say to my eyes the old 800 F 11 and then the newer RX 200-800. This is even true to my eyes with the light of the day increasing.
However, when you put the 1.4 extender on the newer RF 200-800, you took some really intriguing shots. You could see much more eye and feather detail. Still with boka for close fly-bys.
I would say that one huge advantage with the newer lens compared to the old 800 mm lens is the focus point area with the new lens. I would think that for close flyby on those birds trying to catch the eye in that “shooting Square“ in the 800 F 11 would be quite challenging compared to the new lens with the entire focus area available For composition.
Again, thank you very much and I’m still thinking about getting the new lens. Like you own both of the older lens that you used in this video, but with the one 1.4 extender, increasing the shooting area and increasing the reach and still getting detailed shots, it is intriguing.
I might see replacing the 800 f11 with this lens. Keeping the 100-500 with the 1.4 extender.
Sorry for any typos, and weird capitalizations in this text, as I dictate all of my comments.
Thanks again and Merry Christmas from your favorite gamecock fan.
Thank you, great comment!
Thank you for sharing the experience, 200 800 + 1.4 is better than I thought. Really like the shallower depth background of 800mm.
Thank you! I was surprised by how much I like the 200-800 with the 1.4x added.
Thanks for adding your summation of the three lenses and converter. I just wanted to say I thought your flight shots of the Sandhill Cranes were outstanding, especially with so much habitat included below and behind them.
Thank you, Bruce!
Thanks Phil! There’s a lens for every budget. They all look good to me. It looks like the 200-800 is a keeper.
Thank you!
Wow! I'm liking the shots from the 200 to 800. And even with the converter on. Impressive my friend.
Thank you, David!
Thanks, Phil. I'm starting to think that the 200-800 is a go. What I would still like to see it now it does on an R7 and an R5. I guess the TC on the R6 would be similar to the R7 alone, but it would still be nice to see! Take care!
Thank you! I have a few shots with the 200-800 on the R7 in my first real-world 200-800 video. It has a Sandhill Crane on the thumbnail too. I'll be using the R7 next time I take out the 200-800 but that might be a little while because my next to off days have me busy with other obligations besides photography.
Very helpful stuff here. I might try the new lens, the 200-800 one. The fact that it still works ok with the 1.4x is new to me. Very useful in judging the optic quality of a lens. As I have plenty of small birds in my neighbourhood, that is something to take into account.
I was struggling to buy 100-500+1.4x vs 200-800. After watching your first clip few days ago, it gave me no doubt going for 200-800. honestly, this lens is superb, nothing to complain with capability and price. Great video and photos!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing
Thank you!
Thank you Phil. Great vlog. I agree with the verdict, the RF100-500 appeared the sharpest, even with the x1.4. I wasn't enjoying the 200-800 images until the x1.4 was added and the subjects started to pop. As an owner of the RF100-500 I do not have FOMO regarding the RF200-800. I will more likely purchase the x1.4 for my R6. Although I have plans to puchase the R5 soon, so would more likely use the 1.6 in body crop than an extender as it does not add stops of light.
Thank you, Mark! I wonder if we are related. My mother’s maiden name was Ellis. This morning I am working with the R7 and the 200-800 and it is really something!
Enjoyed the Video Phil
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing again Phil. I was Happy to learn that the the 200-800 works fine with the 1.4 extender. My own preordered RF 200-800 has arrived in our country, and I will get it before Christmas. I then have the lenses you used. I sold my R6 (mark 1) so I only have my R7. I hope to go to a fast full frame camera during 2024. I’m sure that the good results you got, was also due to your R6mII. Thanks again for sharing. Your channel is currently the one I like the best. Greetings from Per, Denmark
Thank you! And congrats on your lens getting closer. On my next photography outing I will be using the R7 with the 200-800. I’m looking forward to seeing how that goes.
Hey Phil, enjoyed this video and the comparisons. Debating on getting the 200-800 once I've done a little more research and seen more reviews being so new.
Thank you! I think it’s worth it.
great video comparison, thank you!! I think there is something to the 100-500 shots (even with the TC) that I prefer but I can't put a finger on what it is.
Thank you! The 100-500 with TC works very well. I don't use that combination much for some reason so I was surprised by it myself.
That new RF lens looks good!
It's worth it for sure! Thanks, Tim!
Thank you for the video it's exactly the kind of test I wanted to see.
Maybe it's just me, but no matter what L lenses always have something in plus. Even if I think the 800m f/11 is crazy good for the price and the new 200-800 is a good in-between.
Thank you!
Good stuff. Already having the 100-500 on my r5 and being mostly a zoo/aviary shooter i think adding the 1.4 extender is the right way to go for me. Wouldn't mind owning the 200-800 at some point though!
Hey Phil.. Your neighbor here from NC. We have a lot of the same birds here. I have a water reservoir 5 minutes from my house that is actually government protected ans drinking water. It's a beautiful lake of the side of the highway. You can't get too close, but from the roadside, you can get great shots throughout the year. Over the last 4 years since I spotted my first Egret there when learning photography. I have found that we have ospreys, great blue heron, egrets, green herons, kingfishers, red-winged blackbirds, anhingas, and the beautiful bald eagle! Male and female and I just spotted a juvenile two days ago. 6 months ago I saw a Mississippi kite. So I always try to stay loaded with a camera on me when passing that area!! Hahahaa.. I have the R5, R7 and wife has the R8. I went from the Sigma 150-600mm to the Canon 100-400mm v2, to the Rf800 F11, to this week getting BOTH the RF 100-500MM and the EF 500MMf4.. I was saving up for the RF200-800 and saw the RF 100-500MM on sale at BH Photos for $1899! The same price as the 200-800! It was a BLEMISHED item and when I got it it had a black smudge on the buttons that WIPED RiGHT OFF!! NOW it's in pristine condition!! And I saved $1000!! From the original price!! Then my buddy sold me his EF500 F4 for $1800!! What a week I'm having!! I got the 2 lenses I really wanted for awhile now!! Plus I already own the 1.4 and 2x teles.. 🎉 the way I see it I can put the Rf 100-500mm on the R7 and hit 800mm for now.. and I still ha e the 800f11 if needed. Next move is to sell the Sigma 150-600mm rf800f11...and get the 200-800m. I'm loving the images it produces from what I've seen on your channel. Can you please do a PIXEL PEEP 🙏 video of the RF200-800 and the RF 100-500MM.. JUST 200% close ups.. of images straight from the camera.. maybe even throw in your 800 f11... I noticed that my 500 mm F4 is a lot sharper than my rf100 to 500. I'm about to make a video showing that as well
Thank you! That's a great deal on your new 100-500! Wow! I'm not much of a pixel peeper but I might have to do that at some point to satisfy demand.
Good intercomparison Phil. I use the r5, r7 and1.4 converter interchangeably as needed. I have ordered the rf 200-800 to replace my 500mm f4 mk I, as it is getting too heavy for me as I get older. This 500mm f4, even with the 2x extender still gives excellent results with the r5 and r7 and until it sells, I’ll still use it when required. So, as we can see by your tests, the rf 200-800 is great value for the price, considering the 500mm f4 originally sold for about $12000
Thank you! I had a Nikon 500 F4 for a few years and man that thing was heavy!
Just got an Olympus 100-400 yesterday which is a 200-800 full frame equivalent. Looking forward to playing with it when I get time. So far it looks promising. I will get the 1.4 extender a little later which will get me 1120 mm equivalent. Always enjoy your posts. I may have to put the dog in a kennel and run up to Hiwassee Wildlife Refuge in the near future.
Thank you! Nice are you using the OM-1? It's worth the trip to the HWR, especially if you can get there very early in the morning.
@@PhilThach I'm still using the EM1 MK II. May get the OM-1 down the road but for now the MK II is fine for me. I wanted to switch back to Nikon and get the Df but when you add lenses, especially long ones, it gets a little pricey and heavier.
My current thinking is that I will start out most days with my RF 200-800 on my R7 (320-1280) and my RF 100-500 on my R5 with my RF 1.4x with me so I can add it if I need to. I used to use my RF 800 f11 mostly on my R7 so the ability to zoom and the much improved minimum focus distance will be much appreciated.
You had some great images in this video. Sandhill cranes are a bird I would love to see and photograph. They migrate through eastern Washington but I haven’t made it over there for that yet.
Thank you!
It looks like a very good lens the 200-800 mm
I am happy with it so far.
Beautiful images! In great light, all three lenses achieved sharp focus and beautiful rendering. Did you notice a difference in how quickly the R6 Mark II achieved accurate autofocus and how well it tracked birds in flight as you switched between lenses?
Thank you! I thought they all focused well. No major problems. Some jumps to the background happened with all lenses especially when the birds were a great distance away.
Hi Phil, wow, that was a great set shots ! Seems like the 200-800 is worth it for those of us who never get enough reach ;-)
I'd love to shoot cranes, but over here, the only opportunity is just a few weeks a year around a lake 500km away ..
Thank you! I am pretty lucky to have this location less than 45 minutes from my house.
Wow....the performance of the 200-800 nearly matches the 100-500 with TC, and like you I was surprised how well the 200-800 did with the TC! You're quite fortunate to have gotten the lens so quickly. I ordered about 12:16 AM on launch day from Adorama and didn't get it. From what I read on forums, the supply was extremely low, even to B&H. People have better luck with the smaller stores like you did. In any case, all those shots were excellent. Not surprisingly, the 800 f/11 fares worst amongst this bunch, but for perched birds it does much better than in flight.
If only the 100-500 didn't have the zoom limitation with the TC, I'd just buy that and forget about the 200-800.
I’m working today with the R7 and the 200-800 and a couple of times I have needed focal lengths that you cannot get to with the 100-500 and the 1.4x Tele converter.
Nice pictures. as far as I can judge on the TH-cam pictures, the contrast of the 800/11 seems to be lower. The best all-rounder is clearly the 200-800. Thanks for the video.
Thank you!
Hi does the 200-800mm lens compatible on old full frame like 6D
No. All of these lenses are R mount and only work with Canon R series cameras.
Great video and the comparison I was waiting for. I have 800 F/11 and 100-500. Both are lightweight and can carry those all day when birding . I was wondering what your impression was on the WEIGHT factor.
Thank you! It is certainly heavier than the other two lenses you mentioned, but compared to some lenses I have used in the past it is light and manageable.
Really would be interested in Canon R7 with 100-500 vs R5 with 200-800!
I don't have an R5 but there are many videos on the channel in the wildlife and pets playlist with the R7 and 100-500.
Thanks. Could you compare AF performance?
Thank you! Honestly, they all seemed to auto focus about the same, even the 800 F11 with its smaller focus area did not struggle.
Hi Phil, great stuff , could you do the same with R7 , please
Thank you! I will certainly get out with the R7 and the new lens. I'm not sure if I'll do the multi-lens round-robin again but maybe!
Great shots. I’m very interested in the new 200-800mm lens. How do you think that new lens will do on a R10 camera body.
Thank you! I think it will do great on an R10.
Beautiful images, Phil! The rolling shutter was brutal in a few but it didn't ruin too many images. This goes to show that you don't have to break the bank to make good pictures at long ranges. For wall prints, there's still a reason to buy the expensive lenses. There are definitely differences, but for posting online, all three lenses do good work -- better than could do at any price 10 years ago!
Thank you! If I were to do it all over, I'd switch to the mechanical shutter.
@@PhilThach Better use EFCS to avoid shutter shock ! EFCS may give artefacts .. but only when shooting wider than f4.5 and faster than 1/1000 .. and neither of us has the luxury of a 600/4 to worry about that 😛
the results with the Sandhill Crane were impressive with the 200-800+1.4, but does a small passerine like a warbler skulking in a bush showing its wing feathers give more telling results? I wonder....
Thanks Phil. Great video. How long will the Sandhill Cranes stay in your area?
They are usually here from late November until the end of January or so. Thank you!
Thanks so much for this video Phil! I sold my 800 f/11 to get the 200-800 and I'm sure I made the right choice. Can you use the full zoom range of the 200-800 with the TC attached? You made some great photos as always. I appreciate how much effort goes in to a video like this thanks so much for putting it together.
Thank you! Yes, I think the 200-800 is a little better at 800mm than the 800 f/11. The new lens allows full some travel with a TC installed so that is very nice!
@@PhilThach thanks for the info. I'm not sure I will get a TC once I get that lens but it' good to know there is full travel on the zoom if I do.
Highly impressed with the 200-800 results esp with the 1.4 on it. Wow. But I think the 100-500 with 1.4 still edges out just slightly in IQ. The 800 f11 lags far behind both. Might have to see how much I can get for my 800 f11 and scoop up the 200-800 just to use with the 1.4 for ultra long reach. The size and weight is still a major factor for me though so it will never replace the 100-500.
Thank you! I'll never get rid of my 100-500. When Heather and I go to Canada in September, we will be bringing our 100-500 lenses. No other telephotos lens will make the trip. They fit in a camera bag small enough to store under the seat of a passenger jet so there is no chance of having to check them.
@@PhilThach same here Phil. I will never ever get rid of my 100-500. Great review btw!!
Would be interesting to do a stationary test all at the same distance on an object that fills the frame of 800mm and shoot it with the 800F11, 200-800, 100-500+1.4x. Zoom the final pic size of the 100-500+1.4x to match the others and see if the L series quality equals out. This would take autofocus out of the game and random opportunity shots out. Perform it with the R7 or R5 with the higher resolution and see how they compare at 200x pixel peeped.
I actually made a shot of a sign with all four combos and forgot to include it in this video! LOL Next time!
@@PhilThachwould like to see that!
You got LOTS of nice shots with ALL of those combos :) I know you had to try the 1.4 TC on the 200-800, because so many folks keep asking, But IMPO, if 800mm isn't enough (which for me it usually isn't) slap that baby on an R7 ;) Ya' know, I'm not much of a big bird, or BIF kind of guy...... But those Sandhill shots looked really nice, AND, we actually have a place about 2 hours from me (South of Sacramento) which is loaded with Sandhill cranes. I might just have to squeeze in a day for that place, with the 200-800 rental when it gets here :) Nice video. Thank you Phil :)
Thank you! There was a lady there that morning shooting with a 600 F4 with a 2X tele converter on it and a gentleman shooting with the Nikon 800 mm 6.3 with a 1.4 on it. The next time I go there I’m taking the R7 and the 200-800.
@@PhilThach 100 % 👍
so you are keeping your rf800 f11?
Yes! It will be fun to get it out from time to time.
I'm still happy with my new to me used RF800 F11 and R8 combo. No need to spend thousands more.
Thank you! While I think the 800 f/11 was slightly worse than the others, the difference wasn't a deal breaker at all.
I currently shoot with the R5 100-500. I have the 1.4TC. I shoot mostly in the early morning, low light, so I don’t often use the TC. It also adds more weight. Maybe I missed it, but were these shot’s handheld or tripod? Great video and comparison! I absolutely love the deer with the cranes shot!
Thank you! Sorry, I did fail to mention that I was using a tripod a gimbal head for these.
Hi ,the photos taken with rf 100-500mm+1,4 ext are best looking with good colors. I have same experience with this rf100-500+1,4 with R8 - the colors are very rich and good looking. Better than with Sony fe 200-600 +a7IV and even slightly better than with my EF 500mm F4 IS ll with R8. So maybe I am not buying RF 200-800.... Thanks for a good review
Thanks Phil, I’ve added this location on my list for next visit along with the Moon Pie store and Lookout Mountain. Was your camera on auto iso? Seems like it was bouncing between 800 and 8000.
Hi George! You only want to visit this location in December, in January it gets too crowded, and in other months, there are no Sandhills.
@@PhilThach Ok, good to know.
Hey Phil I really enjoy your videos. Was wondering if you shot Raw or Jpeg ?? Or both ??
Just got the R7 haven't had it out yet. Heading to Arizona with it in April through first week of May
Thank you! I shoot raw and then edit in Adobe Lightroom before finally using Topaz DeNoise AI for noise reduction and sharpening. Congrats on your R7!
Phil with all those shots that you took did you have the eye tracking on and if you did how does the eye tracking work with each one of those lenses .
I used bird eye detect for all of these. Focus worked well with all lenses. Occasionally the camera locked on the background instead of the bird at great distances with all lenses.
@@PhilThach Thank you for the reply they're Phil .
Thanks Phil great comparison on these lenses, do you shot mechanical or electronic?
I think on this day I shot electronic because the sensor in the R6 Mark II is relatively fast but I often shoot mechanical for birds and flight, especially with slower sensors like the one in my R7.
Seeing crops, close ups, etc. would be very important to assist one in distinguishing between these lenses. For example, my 500 f/4 and 100-500 were indistinguishable on uncropped, near subjects. Start cropping or increase distance and the differences in acutance, resolution, flare resistance, and rendering were clear.
Thank you!
I've heard from several very experienced birders who have indicated that the 500f4 prime is sharper than the RF100-500 (and obviously, nicer bokeh too) . Is that your opinion? edit: how does AF compare too?
@@davepastern So we pay an extra $10,000 or so, for an RF 600mm F4 (RF500mm f4 does not exist) that is sharp and bright edge to edge.
Also, f4 at 600mm is going to give shallower depth of field for a better bokeh for close backgrounds than the RF200-600 at f8.
Therefore, we pay a lot less for the RF200-600 which is still sharp in the centre where a
subject like bird is being focused on.
I understand this lens drops off in brightness and sharpness closer to the edges.
Tests show that the lens produces descent bokeh as long as you can get an angle that puts the background further behind the subject.
Overall, in my opinion, an excellent value for the price.
(Waiting for my pre-order to be filled)
@@ballkd1 Yes, I agree, that it is great value for money. For me though, having invested in a used mark 1 500f4, I am questioning its worth for me personally. Advantages are zoom, and obviously the zoom range. Also, native RF. And of course, size an weight cannot be underestimated. The sharpness is still very good with this RF200-800.
For me, I am juggling 3 options:
1. Sell current mark 1 500f4 prime and use my tax return, plus proceeds of sale, plus savings to get a mark 2 500f4 prime.
2. Keep current mark 1 500f4 prime and grab the RF200-800
3. Keep current mark 1 500f4 prime and grab a used R5 (or new R5 if I can stretch funds). The R5II will be 7k here in Australia, so unattainable for me.
Note: I currently use the R3, and I am finding that the 24mp is limiting me when it comes to resolution.
I am being very critical in my assessments as any gear I go with will have to last me for some time and new upgrades won't really be forthcoming for at least a dozen years.
@@davepastern Dave, I didn’t realize you specifically had a mark1 500f4 prime, which is what I am currently have up for sale now. My comments about the rf600 f4 still apply to the mark1 500 f4 prime as you have experienced yourself, it still produces superb quality photos, but it weighs 10lbs, so getting to heavy for me as I get older.
If I can’t sell it, I will still will use it on a tripod or for country road birding where I can balance it on the open car window.
Which one was best???
That's what I was waiting for. After doing all those shots, Phil, what is your favorite setup?
All of them focused just fine. I think the 800 f/11 lagged slightly behind in terms of image quality but all did well. I was most impressed by the 200-800 with the TC, I wasn't expecting to like that combination but it ended up being really good.
To Phil, or anyone else who might know....
I was just informed by DXO, that Pure RAW will not work for shots taken with the 200-800 "apparently at all" (I wasn't really too concerned with optical corrections and such)
....until the module comes out for the 200-800 sometime in January.
Im am definitely not going to try to use something else, and switch up my whole workflow from day 1, of testing a new lens.
Looking like i might have to cancel my rental, which due to ship tomorrow 😢
Phil, and others, how the heck are you processing your shots ?
Phil, that is a great video to show that trio performance. What did you use? Electronic or mechanical shutter?
Thank you! It’s been a while since I made this, but I’m pretty sure I used electronic shutter. Probably should have used mechanical or electronic first curtain because there is some rolling shutter distortion in the backgrounds.
@@PhilThach Thanks Phil, right now I'm considering buying equipment for photographing wildlife, especially birds, and I was considering getting a 100-500 with the 1.4 extender or a 200-800. Thanks to your video, I've seen that both options yield very good results, and that even the 200-800 with the extender performs well. We'll see what I end up doing!!! 👍
its hard to tell a sharpness difference in both comparisons youve done so far. its best to use a fixed prop and zoom onto it or use charts.
Disagree, I think real world usage is waaaay more important than taking pictures of charts.
@@DanielFazzari so far what difference have you noticed then? you cannot tell a difference in images of different subjects from different distances at different times with different ambient interference. unless the difference is drastic. which isnt, in this case.
@@truthseeker6804 Let's put it this way: I would rather see what the images from these lenses look like out in the field vs. some boring pictures of a chart in someone's garage. Pixel-peeping is only worth so much. There are plenty of websites that have done their chart tests to tell you what the sharpness is at a pixel level. If it's hard to tell a difference between these lenses in actual use, I think that speaks volumes.
You are right and I may do a test chart video at some point but I much prefer this kind of work.
do the same video with the Canon R7... That would be awesome
I'm shooting with the R7 and the 200-800 tomorrow morning. It might be a week or so before that one comes out. I have a few videos I've been holding back that I made before the 200-800 arrived to release first.
Why on the R62, and not your R7?
I usually use the R7 with shorter focal lengths like the 100-500 without a TC and the R6 mark II with longer ones. I will use the 200-800 with my R7 again soon. You can see a few shots with that combination in my first 200-800 video that also has a sandhill crane on the thumbnail.
Lightroom has Compare mode. You select 2 images and then click " C ". The images will be show side by side and you zoom in and out. That would give real apples to oranges comparison at pixel level. 100-500mm is too expensive for what it does. Maybe take a deeper dive between 800 mm f11 vs 200-800mm at pixel level and share your thoughts. Cheers.
I don’t do a lot of pixel peeping on this channel but I will say I think the 200-800 is a little bit better than the 800 f/11. It’s much harder to pick a winner between the 100-500 and tele converter versus the 200-800.
Thanks. I know you tested these on FF. Do you know if you want to be maybe test it on R7 anytime? (RAW files pls :)@@PhilThach
Thank you for this. I’m mulling over which between the 200 - 800 and the 100 - 500 & 1.4 TC to buy. The former lens is not available widely in the UK yet. It’s a tough choice, I can’t get both. But your images with commentary is very helpful.
Thank you, Robert!
This hasn't even confirmed shipped for me and I ordered 2 months ago, anyone else?
I actually had my name on the waiting list at the camera store where I do a lot of business before the lens was even announced so I got the very first one that my camera store received.
First 🙂 Thanks for sharing!
Thank you!
Nice video, but I wish you would have shared your final thoughts on image quality and focus speed for the various lens combinations you tested (e.g., ranking them).
Thank you! I was hoping the viewer would make up their own mind after looking at the photos. I will say that the 800 f/11 seems to lag slightly behind the others. But all of the lens and TC combinations focused well, even the 800 f/11 with its smaller than full sensor focus area.
My takeaway is that all three of these lenses deliver outstanding images. I'm still torn - sell my 800 f/11 and get the big zoom to pair with my 100-500? Stay with what I've got? The biggest drawback to my 800 is not quality or light; it's the reduced autofocus area.
Thank you! You know on the R6 mark two that reduced area is not as small as on other cameras. I find it doesn’t bother me at all on that camera but I still like the 200-800 better.
Thanks God I haven’t bought the 100-500 cause this new 200-800 it’s as sharpe as the 100-500 with the tel cov 1.4
I think if the 200 to 800 was already available, I would not have bought the 100 to 500 although I really love that lens.
@@PhilThach for sure! I’ll also keep my EF 100-400 II cause the range now it’s all covered! Canon still sells the 100-400 II for $2300 cause still really good at F4.5
From what I see, 100-500 1,4x TC is still better
If the samples of Digital-picture 200-800 vs Sony 200-600 with tc 1.4 are true, this Canon 200-800 is totally disappointed and it's time to Canon to do serious zoom lens for wildlife photography.
I'm going to have to disagree. In fact, I found that the Sony 200-600, even without the 1.4TC has some chromatic aberration wide open that I'm not seeing in this Canon 200-800 or their 100-500. I don't have this problem with my Nikon 180-600 either.
I was pretty tempted by the 200-800...but then I did the math and my R7/100-500 gives me the same FL....I just saved 2 grand LOL
True but the new lens on the R7 gives you 1280mm full frame equivalent focal length.
RF200-800 doesn't look as sharp as the RF100-500 with 1.4x TC imho. It's still nice though.
It’s very nice and it’s 100 extra millimeters and it’s 1/3 of a stop faster not to mention a lot less money.
@@PhilThach yes, all true. But, the 100-500 with 1.4x TC does look sharper to me, and sharpness counts.
phil, nice to see your channel takeoff
Thank you, Dennis! It’s been slowly climbing for years. I published my 1000th video earlier this month lol. It’s definitely growing a little faster this month than usual with the new 200-800 being featured.
The one thing in Common with the Canon 200-800 , 100-500 f7.1(Slower than the Cheap Nik180-600 ) , 800 f11 (Darkest lens available ) and add RF 70-200 f2.8 (Cant take 1.4 x convertor either) are all Trombone zooming/Focusing unbalanced Dust Suckers (For my living in Africa conditions) wheras the Nikon 180-600 , 800 f6.3 , 70-200 S , 400 f4.5 , 600 f6.3 are Internal everything Dust Free beautiful brighter optics >> Canon have lots of catch up work IMO >>
I can see the advantages of both internal and external zooms. I will say that I LOVE Nikon 180-600!
I have a canon 600mm f/4 II but when i travel i bring my 100-500 wich is very compact and fits in my bag with my r6 @@PhilThach
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Thank you!