Why We Left London And How It Has Changed Our Lives
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We hope you enjoyed this candid conversation. What are your thoughts? Are you a Londoner? Would you ever leave or not? If you left, what has the experience been like for you? Comment below and share this video with others.
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I moved out of London when I got stabbed. Live in India now. Much better standard of living and quality of life. Plus the weather is great.
Stabbed 😢. Sorry to read this!@@aaa-ky5ds
Is the tv, and listening to people, I know people who have never had anything happen to them but because they listen to what other are telling them ,instead of telling the person to shut , they endup with fear
I am thinking of where to move to as well because presently I live in South Ockendon but would like to move to where it is safe and I could bring up my boys properly......
I moved out of London 5 years ago with wife and 2 children to an area called Brampton up the A1 about 45 min from NW London. Best thing I ever did. I was living in a 2 bed flat in London in an area where kids were stabbing and killing each other, but came up here because of the affordability. I now have a 4 bed house with garage (Gym conversion), car port and garden Paid £296.000. My son is now 16 and I say to my wife "we would be stressed now with him at this age" if we were still living where we were living. There are loads of black and brown people down here and more so since we have been here. And both my children have lots friends of all races . We also have a lot of people who have moved from London that live in my area. We were quite lucky with the area we choose as it is beautiful and we get on with all our neighbours and have regular house parties BBQs etc. We also have a product and food shop so you can get all those ingredients and products you are accustomed too. We do have to travel to get to the little hubs of life tho in terms of for example clothes shopping. Places like Rushden Lakes/Cambridge etc all within 30 mins drive or 15 mins by train (Cheap tickets). Job wise Im an electrician and my partner works from home for the same company she was working in London for. I had my own electrical contractor business in London and have picked it up down here. So yes that could be tricky with regards to work when looking for a new job I guess but because of the nature of my work wether 9 -5 for a company or working for myself it is the type of job you can carry anywhere. Us personally have not had that feeling of isolation at all due to the overall setup of the area we came to. Through a stroke of good luck and Gods grace we found a hidden Gem. Im going to have a BBQ in my garden today with a few friends, life is good!!
You are living my dream life ❤ Happy for you. Pray for me 😢
I’m 31, of Arab descent. I grew up in Kent, just on the edge of South London, in an area with good schools, low crime etc - the sort of area you’re describing. What I would say is don’t underestimate how hard it is growing up somewhere where, to be blunt, you’re just surrounded by white people. I had to deal with racism on an almost daily basis, and most of my friends (mostly of Turkish, African and Caribbean descent) had similar experiences. Interestingly, friends that came from deprived areas in South London (such as Croydon, Lewisham etc) who came to my school for their A-levels all seemed to achieve more academically. I realise this is all purely anecdotal and correlation =/= causation, but it definitely impacted my thinking on where I would want to raise a family.
I also bought my first property on London’s outskirts, in a more diverse, working class area - but whilst it has some of the same challenges you described (crime, etc),
I personally wouldn’t want to raise my kids in the sort of area I grew up in.
Agreed. It does something to one’s self-esteem. I think I’ll take a similar route. Not too sure on leaving London though.
what job do you do??
You've made a great point. Yes, London has issues, but sometimes it can feel like a haven, because you're not judged. You're not so ill treated and made to feel out of place.
I recently took on a job 30 miles away from London. It was regretable because I was treated badly. I have now stopped the 30 mile commute. Right now, London is a haven for me.
Maybe world changes will push more people to rural areas and small towns, as we saw during or after covid.
But our experiences are perfect examples, important issues to be taken on board as people pack up and go.
Outside of London can be expensive too. Sometimes things that are fairly accessible and cheap can be very costly outside of London.
I left London 2 years ago. I bought my house in Kent cash. I have now decided to use the equity in my house to buy more property.
I have an 80' garden and neighbours I actually talk to, we all keep an eye on each other's properties and cars.
I am loving life now and the income I will be creating with "due dilligence" on my rental properties will mean I can give up the 9-5!!!
Love you energy and your videos. Congratulations on your success with this channel X
Thank you!! :) and congrats to you too!!
Please I’m really curious. How do you use equity of a mortgaged house to get another property without cash for the down payment of the new property?
@@user-hq6wu9fz4w you remortgage the house to include equity in the house to use the equity as a deposit on the new house
We moved out of London 2009 to far North, best move, less stress and kids can play outside without fear.
Don't forget the importance of ensuring your kids know their culture and background. Sometimes living outside London can be isolating and being the only person of colour can be lonely. Grammar schools are a lot more diverse these days but its likely kids living in the suburbs will want to venture to London as they get older. Important to ensure they are street wise and not naive.
This is true 💯. We'll touch on this on part 2 and what we do.
Let's be honest. Your children most likely won't be able to afford to move to London even if they wanted to. They'll only be able to afford to visit/'venture' there.
@@SamOwenIthey’ll probably rent a room. My rooms in London go for £980 - £1250.
Myself and my siblings grow up In Kent. Yes there were challenges but living in a diverse city also has challenges.
I moved to London from Kent which was great… London is a nightmare and a complete basket case… if I could move out I would
@@rgs6236see that’s the thing. You’re not used to London
From hackney born there to, moved outside of London found my husband and a house. Best decision. You guys are beautiful couple humble and inspirational.
Just moved to Crawley after being a south Londoner all my life. We saved £100k for the same 4 bed in London and love the area. The key for us is living in an area where there is a mix of cultures, living in a city so I can still get my plantain and being under 30 mins from London. I couldn’t live in a place where I’m on the only black in the village 😅
We bought our property in London 22 years ago. We have 4 more months left on the mortgage - so happy we overpaid when we did. We could downsize but will hold onto it, even if it's for the next generation as the family home I grew up in was sold in 1999 for £180,000. It's now on the market for £1.3m!!
That's awesome!! This is a point we'll touch on for part 2.
Sooo pleased to discover you! I’m encouraged by the trend of Black British people podcasting about what we can actual and practically do to change the dynamics that affect us. Not just point away from ourselves for change. I’ve never lived in London. Never would. Love fresh air too much.
Thank you :)
I'm a Londoner and I love it here. I've voluntarily moved out of London 3 times and I came back every time because there's no place like it. I acknowledge that it's expensive but I like what I like. I would consider moving to a commuter town but my husband won't so here we are 🤷♀️
Great that you love it in London. Do what works for you 😊. Outside London is definitely not for everyone. Watch out for part 2 of our video where we share the Pros of London living and Cons of moving out.
Commuting every morning evening 2.5 hours a day from Barking and Dagenham, jam packed with miserable depressed workers, does not constitute "living in London. " This scenario is what the vast majority of " londoners" experience 3very day
@@fizywigLondon is a major big city .
@@fizywig I wouldn’t consider most of that area London, although it’s a London borough. It’s mainly Essex.
Neither does your story reflect my London experience. My commute to work is on average 30 minutes, and no I do not live in central London. I’m a born and raised Londoner.
London born and bred, left in 2018 for Kent for the same reasons as you:
House prices
Schools
Safety of our 4 young, black children in London
I miss the diversity and 24/7 busyness of London, however my children have thrived in Kent and for me and hubby that's all that matters.
Not just London, why not try moving abroad..we recently moved to Toronto, Canada and honestly it has been one of the best moves
Many of our friends have moved to Canada. Especially the doctors. They love it!
Why would you say it has been one of the best moves? How easy or hard was it? What about your job?
Great playgrounds for my young lids, many great parks, more relaxed environment, friendly people. It has it's flaws but comparatively better than Croydon!
My wife is a doctor and I work in finance
The best move i made was in 2011 when I bid au revoir to the "big smoke". I still work in London but it's such a joy when I hit the M1 and head home. Mortgage got paid off immediately, which kick started my saving and investing. Green spaces and wildlife, not to mention the relative peace tranquility and low crime rates sealed the deal for me. London is a place to visit and work if you have to then get the hell out! 🙏🏾
Love this!
@@TheHumblePenny Thanks for the motivation! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I also love the wildlife & greenery (my garden has rose hip trees, a plum tree, a pond complete with frogs etc 😅)… but one thing I didn’t think to look into was the crime rate in the area. I lived in London for 25 years. Within 3 years of living in Kent I’d contacted the police 3 times. Thieves broke in. Badly racially abused which I had to report to the police. I contacted the police once in 25 yrs London.
Although you get the greenery, larger space… I didn’t think I’d need to factor crime rate while reviewing an area. Cheaper houses can also mean middle to lower income which has higher chances of criminality.
Fantastic video. My wife and i moved to Sevenoaks 5 years ago and we love it. The train to London Bridge is around 25 minutes, the schools are great and its really peaceful.
Sevenoaks is beautiful 😍. But, very expensive 😅.
Are the trains reliable?
I agreed with each one of your comments. We moved to Kent 3 years ago for exactly the very same reasons. We are very fortunate that we can work from home whilst our son has greatly benefitted educationally and will also be attending grammar school in September, which is an option that was not available to me when I was his age.
Fantastic!
The little girl that died lived in Lewisham on the South circuler route (I grew up there). To make that worse since covid the council have blocked all the back roads forcing more traffic onto the main road
That's terrible. We saw this happen in Hackney too.
I lived in London for 13 years. Moved back to Yorkshire during Covid. I kept my job and now largely work from home. Took a 10% pay cut but my mortgage (yes I can now have one!) and nursery fees are half the price. It’s a no brainer if you can do it
Blame Theresa May for cutting the Police so that there are no longer bobbies on the beat. As for the knife crime, there has to be personal responsibility and accountability and the behaviour starts from the home I am afraid. People are blaming lack of youth centres, what about the parents?
💯 re parents!! Same as financial literacy
@@TheHumblePenny Absolutely.
Absolutely nothing to do with the Mayor....😆
This gov has Bain washed the British culture for years. We don’t see other European cultures dependent of benefits like in Britain. There are generations of families living on benefits. Mostly got lazy, unhealthy with several healthy problems. Britain became dependent on migrants who do the jobs that the British refuse to do.
The first step is educate those who are on benefits who have poor parental skills. Then we have the working class who has no support from the gov and are getting poorer. They should get more help as they are the ones who contribute to this country.
@@babylon_bob The rot started before Sadiq Khan was voted in so why are you blaming him? He inherited a decimated force from the austerity cuts the tories made across the board.
I’ve just bought a house 3 months ago in Rainham Kent- I’m really nervous about making this move, but my son is in year 5 and it makes sense for his future. I really needed this vid as I’m wondering what life will be like for my son in a less diverse area- though I have seen quite a number of Nigerian families in Gillingham (which is round the corner). We are a Jamaican /Ghanaian family - I can get a 50 min train to Victoria- and by car it takes 30/ 40 mins to get to Greenwhich.
I also have lived in south London my entire life around Croydon and then Clapham/ Stockwell- this move was necessary for crime prevention reasons for my kids for sure! Just so hard to leave what you’ve known 🥹
Best wishes in your new home, great Vlog.
Thanks so much!
Thanks for making this video. I can definitely relate having made the move from London to Kent (just on the outskirts like yourselves) last year. The adjustment isn't easy but I was fortunate to buy near London so I'm still able to commute and see friends/ family/ socialise in London with relative ease so no regrets. As soon as I knew I was having a boy I knew I had to make the move but I do miss the London vybe/ amenities but long term it doesn't make sense financially.
Congrats on moving :)
I think the kind of people that will be living in london in 2050 is influencers, youtubers and celebs. I live in west midlands but lived in London for uni in 2005 when i was younger. I loved it so much that i now go back as a parent every half term. I was hoping to move next year when she finishes secondary school, but hearing this has made me think a little more now about perhaps the outskirts... thank you for this. I look forward to hearing part 2.
If u work in tech or finance u can probably stay in London as well
@@LondonMoneyCashEnterpriseok...hmm interesting 👏👏👏
Moved to Kent this year and although it's only been 1 month, it's the best decision ever because of all the reasons you mentioned plus more. There's a different kind of peace and relaxation that comes with the greenery around me. People genuinely seem more happier here too. Great video, thank you.
Fab!
@@TheHumblePennyyup. Moved to Kent a few years ago & haven’t regretted it. I was in Peckham last weekend & couldn’t wait to leave. A downside is that Kent doesn’t have huge access to things like hair care products & cultural foods.
The customer service in particular struck me that day outside of the general mess & chaos that is Peckham. The staff in this particular high street brand store was horrendous. The cashier was visibly angry & was herding customers like goats. I deduced this was due to the area. Just the sheer number of people & sadly, their socioeconomic class.
I relayed the story to my sister who lives there, because in Kent you just wouldn’t experience such blatantly disrespectful service- & I think she got offended & took it as a classist observation. When you get out of London, you also learn to expect better, which I suppose to some may seem that you’re elitist.
@@yanikeonpurposeyes abit clasist I agree with ur sis...bad behaviour is everywhere..Peckham,Kent and all over. I experienced bad behaviour in Kent from service staff so my dear enjoy the greenery and peace but dont br fooled
Saaaame! My girlfriend and I got out the chaos and its just next level here in Kent man
We left London, paid off three mortgages, our children are happy and well settled. Keep doing what you do !
Fellow londoner here born and bred (Zone 2-3) and I kid you not I love my city but its just way too expensive to live here, I want to stay but I just cant afford too - Great Video Guys!!
Thank you for sharing. It's sad tbh that Londoners do have to move. What do you plan to do? Any idea where you might move to?
@@TheHumblePenny thanks for the insightful video , it’s appreciated but honestly just thinking about leaving London tears me inside but I know it’s something that I’m going to have to do if I want a better quality of life. I’m still researching on where to relocate to but I have the east midlands in mind because it’s only a couple hours drive away from London and it’s much cheaper, but we’ll see 🙂
@@TheHumblePenny True, but the problem isn't exclusive to Londoners (I'm a Londoner). Cornwall for example, properties are so expensive and are being snapped up as second homes. The average local person couldn't afford a house there even if they wanted to. Lots of people from various places are being priced out of their local area.
Bingo, most of these people aren’t being completely honest. If they could afford to live in London, particularly the parts where you have decent schools and housing, many would.
I’m fortunate (I believe) and community is important. It speaks a thousand words to be born and bred in an area like my own in London and stay there, coupled with having a successful career. That’s where I stand, but each to their own, and I wish everyone success in the choices they’ve made.
Fellow Hackneyite, Mary! I still can't process the fact that there's an M&S in Dalston - WILD! The gentrification is sad, but I can't really talk because I am part of the gentrification problem in Birmingham! 😅
I've lived in Stoke on Trent, Sheffield, Shrewsbury, Telford, Derby, Chesterfield, Milton Keynes and Birmingham - London is the only place where I felt safe and like I belong. No one beeping their horns because I'm black or telling me I speak English well (literally the only language I can speak fluently) or telling me that their friend's brother's girlfriend's neighbour's dog-sitter's sister is black! 😂
In saying all that, I would highly encourage living outside London. I visit monthly and take it in turns to see different family and friends each month so I'm still maintaining my important relationships whilst paying half the rent I would be paying for a flat as nice as mine if I was in London.
M&S in Dalston 😂. Mad!
Thank you for sharing your lived experiences outside of London.
What about buying. Things will change quickly.
I lived in Dalston it’s still very much dirty and a lot of aggressive drug addicts around not to mention the 2 shooting in broad daylight whilst I lived there - gentrification has helped BUT they are raising rents and house prices there but it’s not really a safe/clean place
Interesting, M&S has been in Lewisham since I was a child (late 90s) didn’t mark gentrification in the area at all - still doesn’t.
It’s usually Waitrose that signifies that. Remember M&S used to be a clothing shop first and primarily. Peace!
Even when you look into M&S’s origins it’s not seen as a middle class brand per say. M&S foods is in that realm in part. However, I would considering it “aspirational” middle class - M&S Foods that is.
@@arianalovelace1133 It’s more to do with London being expensive. People are limited in choices of where to live so traditionally “undesirable” areas are receiving a boost as a result.
Oh boy, a one who lives in Hackney for almost 20 years it's just insane how prices have gone through the roof 🙄. The rent compared to when I was a young teen is now just making me look to leave London myself cause even with my job paying me decently I still feel it's not good enough.
All the English yuppies are moving into London from wealth and all the English born and bred left London long time ago London is gentrified and is very expensive and class system taken over London SAD.
Just to get some balance. I have heard of people moving back to London. Infact I know if someone from leafy Bucks who moved to London as its more convenient for travelling around. Also she doesn't need to drive every where as transport is so good. Also there's a lot of drug use in leafy Bucks and no doubt in other areas fuelled by people who can afford to feed their habit. London has its plusses in my view.
Other UK cities and towns have bigger issues the media only focuses on London ,London is a great city has loads to offer it's a working man's city with wealth the rest of the UK cities and towns have loads of poverty and racial divisions.
Another great topic!
My wife and I left Bow to move to a villiage near Chelmsford. At the time we felt if you leave London you leave life! But my god it's so much better out here! The 1 bed flat we rented in Bow is worth 2-3 times more than our 3 bed house we purchased!!
The air is better, the people are nicer, the atmosphere is less tense! And I totally agree with safety. In London its over priced and its all rush rush rush. And I guard my wallet closely! Do I miss it? Being wedged like a sardine in the tube?! No way!😅
Hahaha 😆 I don't miss the tube neither and the dead atmosphere.
London is a great city its progressive and the rest of the UK is stagnant and backwards , without London the rest of the UK would not be standing.
@@Wayne-fn1swnot true. I live 5 minutes away from a 1000 acre farm! And down the road from that are other farms of equal size & so it goes all across Kent. If these farmers don’t grow, the UK doesn’t eat. There are factories in my area, some of the biggest in the UK. It’s not all about London.
I dint know why anyone would live in London. People who live there look impoverished. I've visited few families and Friends there and they always live in unkempt and dated flats with their kids. Water is dirty, areas look rundown. Get out from there and explore other parts of the UK. London isn't the greatest. You're not learning anything new but just mixing up with folks you left at home. When we come to a foreign country, we should elevate and not retrogress. Apart from the new accent what else do they gain? There are so msny doen sides to london:, stress, deaths, run down flats, tube, expenses, stuck in a rot! Yes, it's more fun but take that out and see if what you're left with is worth it!
@@tgirl4me1 go outside of London other UK cities are worse and full of poverty and people living in bad conditions too their no wealth no where in the UK people are struggling. Other UK cities people are living in poverty line and living in damp and run down conditions and badly run councils too.
My wife and I bought a 2bed house in zone 6, so still.in Greater London area. But now our family has grown we are definitely open to moving further into Kent, God willing.
We have an aspiration let out our current property, but the way prices are, we may need to sell to buy. Thanks for your vid
You're welcome. At least you were able to buy at all. If you can, try your best to keep the existing place if it makes sense for you and get a consent to let.
Could you not remortgage? You can think of ways to add value, for example converting your 2 bed to a 3 bed, this can be done if you have a separate kitchen you can convert to a bedroom and make the living room open plan. There’s lots of ways to add value so you don’t actually have to sell.
I live in (and grew up in) the suburbs of London. I would love to move out of London (property prices/greener spaces) but I have friends and family here. I'd be sacrificing a lot to move away :( I'm a single female in my 30s, no kids, so my localised network is especially important to me.
Girl I sacrificed it. My health and peace of mind is more important. I run a business which I am able to do more affordably compared to London (access to affordable warehousing etc), access to cheap labour (Eastern Europeans). The second bedroom I turned into an office, the third a full on dressing room. I have a front & back garden & am actually growing fruits & veg. I raise animals at the back & am considering getting chickens. You walk around my area which is a good sized town & it’s perpetual green. You actually see the roundness of the sky without being interrupting by sky scrapers, which encourages me to dream big.
I suppose it depends on what is more important to you. I just couldn’t continue to live cramped, rushed & in squalor in the name of family & friends. You can travel up & also make your own support system locally.
@@yanikeonpurpose Thanks 🥰. I live in the suburbs. Were you inner city?
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. We're in Greater London, and I'm praying we'll be able to help our adult kids onto the property ladder. Until then... it's a good thing we get on and have lots of belly laughs together!
Yes, fully understand the challenge with helping children where possible.
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... Absolutely, love living in London, shops, theatres, restaurants, transport (I could go on).
I did look at moving to Kent (Langley Park, Bromley) when the kids where young for schools. But when I factor in the stamp duty & cost of moving, plus commuting, it was wasn't much different to paying school fees.
The house I was looking at in Kent (Langley Park Estate) has not gone up anyway near has much has my London house. So on Capital appreciation London has been a clear winner. Yes, there are bad parts, but there are bad parts everywhere in Kent too ... Dartford, Gravesend, Chatham, Canterbury (IMO). And as for Whitstable, it lovely, but it's London prices (have 2 friends that moved there, and they both complain about the traffic/parking)...LOL
I feel connected to the world In London, and get out loads (specially down to Cornwall) but love coming back.
I respect your decisions, and one I nearly made myself, but to quote an old saying..... When your tired of London, your tired of life 🙂
Most people can’t afford to live in London anymore and London is not a safe place unless you live in the affluent areas
… believe me I don’t live in an affluent area of South London, but have nice parks and know all my neighbours, love the mix and diversity. Off on holidays, a simple hop on the new Elizabeth Line, and I’m at Heathrow. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. But the quiet live is not for me, or my children (youngest got a math degree from Queen Mary’s). We’re all individually, so do what’s best for you, but there’s a reason why London is one of the best cities in the world 😊
@@devonbarrett4344 London is one of the most overpopulated and overpriced cities in the world yes but the best I highly doubt it - I can see how a wealthy person in an affluent area with unlimited funds enjoys London but struggling to make ends meet just so that you can boast about living in London seems inauthentic to me.
I don’t live anywhere because of diversity that doesn’t matter to me I’m mixedrace so maybe it’s different for me.
I lived in London for 6 years moved back to where I’m from (Hampshire)last year I do like London I had fun - but most areas are dirty full of drug addicts,gang crime and overpriced coffee it all a hype and people are buying into it.
I can travel to London whenever I like but I would never live there again
@@arianalovelace1133Drugs and crime is in other UK cities and the same problems London has is moved to other UK cities and towns divisions and tensions are growing no where is safe there not much community or care people are very much out for themselves.
@@Wayne-fn1sw yes that’s true a lot of places within the UK are in poverty but the crime in London is the worst because of the numbers in population for such a small city -I lived in Dalston and there were a lot of stabbings and gun crime my cousin was killed in 2009 he was not part of a gang and he was only 12.
The UK is very much an individualist place especially London everyone in out of themselves and trying to survive.
Communities in villages in Africa seem to have more community,there are places in London with community spirit but it’s super diverse with different cultures and religions which can sometimes cause divisions
Never lived in London, from the North but I've worked for London companied for a few years now and visit often. Love visiting think its one of if not the best city in Europe but love getting home as I live in a rural area and love the walks and having a very very affordable home which then affords me a very comfortable living standard. Plus now with remote working do you need to live so close to work.
I like visiting for cultural experiences. But like you, I like to return home to peace and quiet.
People have left London since the 50s/60s for the same reasons , although in the last 20 years, one or two of those factors have had more influence on the flight.
Yes, agree.
People buying up multiple houses like your taxi driver is what’s driving up prices so badly.
It's a multifaceted problem. Where demand far exceeds supply, people will always explore ways to profit from demand in any asset class.
@@TheHumblePenny with damaging results in the long term. Unlike investing in companies shares, housing is a zero sum game, one person wins, another has to lose. The young will be impoverished because of this. Housing should not be an investment vehicle any more than holding the water supply to ransom for a profit.
I clicked the like button as soon as I opened to watch. I moved last year to a town close to the M1, I have been asking myself why didn't I do this earlier 😅.
COVID also opened people's eyes too
Well done guys!!!
Yes, Covid was a gamechanger
Please if you can afford, Please thinking of buying as well now. Later things will chang quickly.
Great video but I think there are also cons moving out of London if you work in London on-site. Prices outside of London skyrocketed all the way to Newcastle for example, since Covid, and train fares are extremely expensive and time consuming to commute which can sometimes make the illusion of cheaper houses a myth as any house savings are swallowed by the train fares
People outside of London are not tolerant to different cultures and changes in thier areas.
Great video! On a separate note, have you previously or intend to cover shared ownership and if it is a good option for those on less or singular incomes?
Moved to North Wales after doing London for 8 years. Couldn't pay me enough to move back and get anywhere close to the quality of life.
I believe you 😉
I moved to south wales aged 50+ in 2014 Absolutely love it- M4 straight to my family in Ilford. good transport links to Paddington- Bristol only 35 mins -away, coaches direct to Heathrow - blessed to have a lovely apartment, working (God is good)! Do not owe any mortgage provider, no screeching sirens, had asthma undiagnosed in London for years . Here in wales love the green , the air. the only reason I go to London is to see my immediate family . London is too stressful, I get anxiety I do not feel safe there anymore. Best move I ever made.
Great insight but I am well positioned just inside the M25 with all the pleasantries of living outside London including massive garden and loads of woodlands for hiking or cycling. If am buying in today’s market I would nest in small commuting towns just outside of the M25 in Herts, I would not want to go further as an urbanite. Interesting perspective, thanks K&M for sharing.
You're most welcome. We agree re commuter towns, which is why we have a mini series of Top 10 Best Commuter Towns (Part 1 and 2 are linked in the video description). Problem with the commuter towns within the M25 is that they too are getting ridiculously expensive. We live in one and honestly cannot believe how much our property has risen in value.
As a single person you need a £70k salary to live comfortably in London. With a family as the sole breadwinner you need at least £150k.
Exactly! That’s why I moved out with my family to Chester I was too stressed
People who say this speak from a place of privilege in my opinion. That’s what above the London average, let alone the national average.
People also need to define living “comfortably”.
@@hannah60000 It has nothing to do with speaking from a privileged position and more to do with stating the reality. Living comfortably means you can afford a spacious living space in the postcode of your choice (1600-2200 rent per month in London), Invest and save for the future, and afford a weekend flight without significantly compromising your finances. This is unattainable for 80% of Londoners hence the transient nature of the population. You must earn 70K minimum as a single person to have this level of freedom in London.
It depends on which part of London. Central London lifestyle is expensive. I once lived in zone 4 Richmond and at that time it was good. Areas like Brixton. Hackney, Croydon, these are not expensive areas compared to Mayfair in central London
Brixton and Croydon are very expensive
@@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise Not compared to Mayfair.
Interesting video.
What areas do u consider as affluent areas in London?.
I'm in the exact same position as many people that are here in the comments; to leave or not to leave - again? I've lived in other countries and citirs before but now, with a small toddler, I'm debating moving out of London for all of the reasons you've listed.
Love this video and your overall content.
You're welcome. Do share this video with others.
I’d love just generally more areas to be more active but without gentrification. Green spaces with food that is pretty standard so they don’t have to charge massive overheads because they’re serving fries in a metal pot and think it’s justifiable to charge £20 for a burger. Healthy food, healthy areas without traffic. What a dream.
Totally hear this.
I moved to the north east from London 10 years ago. best choice I made. I now have a 3 bedroom house and quality of living is much better.
Good move!
When it comes to racial profiling, I'm infinitely more concerned about roadmen assuming my son is a roadman that the police. This isn't America. Yes, your child might be slightly concerned about a police stop, but there are extremely few incidents of these stops results in someone being killed. Practically zero.
Great video thanks for sharing this. Its hard one because I know how negative and nasty London is. When I go away on holiday and when I come back I can feel the energy and nastiness of London. On the other hand the only reason I stay in London is because my social life and friends where we meet up at least 2/3 times a week and it is easy fo us all to meet in London. Will have to do the notes for this episode.
Oh wow, you were looking close to my area westcombe park is 5mins from me U'm in blackheath near shooters hill 😊
A wonderful podcast. Very informative and factual based. I agree with your observations about London. It's a real pity the brightest and best, (especially middle class black Londoners) leave for greener pastures. I don't blame them!Consequently those who largely remain in the community have fewer opportunities and often can't afford to leave. This capital flight contributes to spiraling education under- achievement, community/ cultural, social decline, crime afflicting those areas comprised of social housing, as private housing in London is prohibitively expensive. All the best, It gave me a lot to reflect on.
Racism is worse outside of London.
Most Londoners left London 40 years due to Multiculturalism and now many are leaving because gentrification is destroying London rents are so high.
Curious question...regarding schools are there not many good state schools or religious schools in London that are not catchment area determined relating to admission?. I ask this because im from Coventry a mid sized city much smaller than London in size and far less people (370,000).
Anyway, i attended around 2000-2005 a good church of england school in the city called blue coat secondary school. The GCSE outcomes were in that time about 65-70% A-C and there was a state school called 'Finham park' which is also in an affluent part of the city who would score 75% A-C's when it came to GCSE results. Beyond that there were two private schools in the city one called 'Bablake' and 'King henry the 8th' who would score 100% A-C's in GCSE results.
Outside of this you then had the remaining religious and state schools who would score below the outcomes of the school i attended.
Anyway, my school had an admission policy based on open but engagee religious affiliation and wasnt an area catchment school at all. If you were catholic a priest would need to submit a reference of sorts, a vicar if you were church of england, pastor if you were evangelical, imam if you were muslim. The ethos was church of england but diversely religiously tolerant.
I wonder if there are similar schools in london whereby admission is faith based or tolerant, GCSE outcomes are good and its a school that allows kids from a wide catchment area sort of thing...🤔..(not TOO wide though as its London lol i get it)
Thanks for sharing. Oh yes, such schools are in London for sure. A lot of people pretend to attend church just to get their children into those schools. VERY competitive too.
I'd also add too, the pass rates are good but don't be fooled: some schools discourage students from taking an exam subject if they are predicted below a B or a C. So if the school has 100% A - C or A-B pass at GCSE, sometimes it's because the "weaker" students don't take the exam!
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Hello humble penny
1) the name of the young girl that died from an asthma attack due to london pollution is Ella kissi debrah
2) the winning formula is to find a town or city outside London with good transport links into london. Eg average train ourney time up to 1hour 30 minutes. ipswich , huntingdon , bedford etc
1. Thank you for sharing.
2. 💯. See our videos in the description for our analysis of 20 commuter town across Part 1 and Part 2 videos.
Totally agree! I moved to Wivenhoe in Essex, just outside of Colchester 3yrs ago, 1hr 10 mins to Liverpool Street. Proper community, most kids know each other, people say hi to each other and much more affordable. Even if I won’t the lottery I wouldn’t leave
I visited London during April or May, I don't have asthma but there was lots of London elm pollen in the air and there was the traffic pollution as well, and honestly I couldn't breathe. At one point I was choking so badly, I could not breathe and had to run away from the road. That poor girl 😢.
I don’t feel as safe in London as I do in Birmingham but then again, Birmingham has some rough areas too that I try to avoid.
Thanks for sharing.
@@TheHumblePenny you’re welcome. Valuable information from you and your wife. Thank you 🙏🏾
Birmingham has a lot of racism and segregation issues its always been rough place full of bad mental health issues and poverty and drug issues most people are rude and miserable,locals in Birmingham don't like outsiders
I’m a born and bred Londoner, and would consider moving out of London but only when I retire. Moving outside of London now is not something I would consider. As I already own a home and I don’t have any children, maybe I see things differently.
Fully understand.
I'm a big fan of the channel, but this conversation felt one-sided instead of neutral. Moving out of London disconnects you from the community, and I couldn't leave my elderly mother behind. There are still affordable areas in London, like Stratford and Plaistow in East London (Zone 2), where you can buy 3-bedroom houses within your original budget of 400K/450K.
Sounds like you will do a part 2 hopefully you can highlight these points! love the channel and the great work regardless :)
It's one sided as the title implies. That's the point of the video :). Part 2 will address the other side.
I grew up in Plaistow/Stratford but now live in the South West of England. Although there are houses at that price point, would one really want to buy there? And this is coming from a proud East Londoner.
Also the racism in other areas is no joke. On my first day in Kent, a homeless man screamed at my mum and I and called us "f*cking blacks"...My nephew also had issues in school with both students and teachers
@@dlc2479 People tend to downplay that element. Cheaper to live, but a different atmosphere altogether.
I disagree, which part in Stratford is affordable ... that may have been the case late 80's 90's I know because I looked. I was in Stratford a few weeks ago 2b apartment's all £840K- I have just checked right move and the one bed properties are all shared ownership .r All the people that look like me we could were never able to buy property in Stratford and moved out towards Essex at the time . My sister lives in Manor park and was fortunate enough to have a house given to her by my parents in the 80:s that same property now in its basic form is £700K -I moved out of London and have amazing connections where I am. I visit my family check my elderly parents via a camera have conversations with them. London is no longer affordable
36 seconds in and I'm ready to hit that 👍button!
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Totally agree. We moved in 2020 out of London. Not worth the high prices
Where did you move to?
I’ve got a property in Liverpool and it’s been the best decision ever. Left London last year and I don’t miss it. Living in a big house is way better.
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Great video family! Question for you - How do you maintain the cultural richness of London within your family? Like the benefit of London or any UK city is that children learn about diversity and how they operate within a world. Alot of these commuter areas still lack this and I wonder how you still expose your family to it? Thanks!
The school our son is getting into in September is 1/3rd Black. 1/3rd Asian and then 1/3rd White and other. So a really good mix. Our children are also part of various clubs including chess, football, etc where there are always mostly ethnic minority children. We also visit London weekly as our parents and siblings live there. We also travel the world as a family so they've been exposed to different cultures since birth etc.
Huge congratulations on your son’s place at a selective grammar school!
The dream! 🤩👌🏻
You must you feel like you’ve won the lottery 🎉 👏🏻 🥳
Honestly, it literally feels like we've won the lottery. At his class at Primary School, about 85% got into Grammar and the rest went to Private Secondary.
Well kudos to the school and to the supportive parents! 💪🏻❤
I really know what this means so I’m delighted for you. You’re a super couple, you do everything right - it’s just amazing when things fall into place like this.
I hope you all enjoy the summer - best get sewing on those name tapes! 🎉
What zone did you move to? What area in kent?
Please tell me which town outside London you are located in. I would like to move from West Norwood London.
I moved out of London year 2012 . I moved all about outside of London . I have bought a 3 bedroom house big living room big kitchen and mortgage free from many years now .
Agree! I don’t feel safe in what’s supposed to be my “home” as the right to privy has been violated and compromised!?!?
How are you guys affording Kent. It’s mirroring some prices in London?
I live in Central London lived here since I moved to the UK at 10 from the Caribbean(I'm 29 nw) I love London but I would like to move out.. In my area the homeless situation is insane I've seen people who look to be in there 80's and black(they weren't giving me drugy vibes) Begging for money outside of Sainsburys.. tents up on the streets people begging on most corners.. the streets are filthy just looking out My window there's plastic and rubbish everywhere.. My rent increase pre covid it would go up by a few £.. £5 tops... Post covid it's been going up £50-£100 a year. The thing that's allowing me to be ok is I'm in a council flat so compared to private I'm still blessed but for the rent nd council tax increases I see no improvement my block is so disgusting I don't even wanna invite people to visit it's sad.. That's just naming some extra things..
I want out I just dunno how but I want to buy a house I don't want to leave and go into private renting out there because I have friends out there that go through it with their landlords so I decided to stay put till I can buy 🙃
Thank you. Just subscribed. I love London. This discussion is interesting. I bought my first home about 30 years ago. Just love it here. My children are now adults and we all just love London. We leave London when we need to relax. This is where the real deal is😅 All my siblings and friends are in London and moving out of here will cost me a lot 😅
Thank you for subscribing 😊. We also appreciate you sharing your love for London and why it's a big deal for you.
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I was born and raised in Africa, my relationship with space is different maybe than some who have in the UK. Another no brainer to me, on why one would like to move out and get more space.
But isn't your area a mile or two outside of the Outer London border? It's so close to London that it has a lot of its benefits. Not really a fair comparison to areas that are further away from London in Kent
Best city in the world 😅 that just sounds like self talk; imagine fear of all mentioned, air pollution, expensive everything, congestion then old infrastructure ETC I reserve judgment
Hey! Thank you for for this video. This has been another sign that my time in London will be coming to an end really soon. Definitely thinking about moving out of London soon, I’m renting right now in Hackney and it’s absolutely disgusting. The people, the vibe, the prices for certain things are just not worth it. So my question to you guys, where would you a recommend a single person like myself to move to? I have heard from others that Kent is really nice, I wouldn’t move to Birmingham as I’ve been there one time only in life and I could just tell that it would be a nightmare, experiencing the shopping centre there lol. Currently looking because I really don’t enjoy here that much and I just think people these days are really horrible
I think you highlighted all of the negative points about London that I already felt so i have already started my plans to move out .However, i think you highlighted the negatives pretty thick and it came over a little biased against London. .I'll be watching part 2..ps well done on the book I'm having a read
All over the UK there is negatives and positives people outside of multicultural London in other parts are not tolerant to outsiders that's all I am going to say .
Would love to move out of London but all our family and friends are in London.
I live in Hackney but looking to go too.
I just wanted to highlight buying is not for everyone, addressing the job market and access to "good work", age ranges of the audience too, and two salary versus one salary households can defintely acheive this aspiration, etc. This is such a love hate topic for me. With so many caveates to it too. I think statistics on black home ownership in general, across different age ranges would be an interesting topic for next time.
Though probably nowhere near as bad (yet), Manchester seems to be heading the same way.
Would be good to know what professions you both are in.
I'm a Chartered Accountant and Mary is a Marketer. However, we don't have traditional professions as we do many things including being authors, investors, entrepreneurs, etc. So we can live and work from anywhere.
We moved out of London and it was one of the best decisions we’ve ever made 😊
The suburbs aren’t perfect… but It’s worth moving away from inner London just to feel a bit safer
Nowhere is perfect, that's for sure. Watch out for part 2.
Is it true Northern England plus Scotland is much cheaper than London or Southern England??
Scotland is cheaper and greener. Don't know why people are stuck in London.
I'm seriouslyyyy thinking about it. My desire to leave grows by the day 😭 I'm just worried about the disruption it could cause as my little sister is about to start her GCSEs
Fair point.
Whilst I understand the concept of people moving out of London as London is expensive, the issue with that is one is essentially transferring the issue to another area, i.e Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, Leeds, etc..... eventually what will happen is those areas (if they aren't already) will have the locals priced out and then the cycle will continue. What needs to happen is a major housing reform.
I’m 28, born n bred in London, just moved to Kent with my gf. Best decision EVER, London is COOKED on way too many fronts lol
Hey Cain 👋🏾. How far out did you move? Thanks for sharing.
Thats a huge house😮
Not huge :). It works for us as a family of 4.
I currently live in Tottenham; I love London too much to leave; I am a proper city man and it would be difficult to give up the conveniences; as for safety, I have lived here my entire life and am aware of the dos and don'ts.
Jamie, thanks for sharing. Watch part 2 on what we miss about London life th-cam.com/video/NBfmnUrN93g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dcvYUNHax-05pKjh
I have this same debate with my friends.. its a tough one.. london born and bred with property in ldn dont want children to be victims of crime in ldn but also dont want kids to be isolated/experience rasims/self hate if i move further out
Humble Penny, where are you?
Great video guys as always. We’re neighbours 😃pop round for a cuppa ☕️ anytime 😊
Hey 👋🏾 😊
I would love to move out of London but I do not own my own property I live in a housing association flat.im worried that moving out would have the same problems as London as I’m not willing to go on a council estate I have heard that a lot of them are quite rough out of London I am not saying all people that don’t own there own property are bad it’s just the unknown.Any suggestions not too far from London as I have Family here and I’m older.
Can I ask where you moved to?
Great video. Please in part 2 can you focus on the future that if more people come to the suburbs like Kent that it might look and feel like London by the amount of Londoners coming here? This can be a good and bad thing in terms of culture, crime, slang etc. Often I can hear the London culture (being a born Londoner myself) in the teenagers I see around Kent - sort of a wannabe culture - perhaps then Kent will loose the suburb feel it has now and things you touch on that I love about the area?
How can we take the best parts of it for our kids to know their culture as parents and protect our kids as black parents (both the suburb and London black culture etc)?
Sirens 😂😂😂😂😂
I used to live in Thornton Heath (south London). We moved to Chester 3 years ago. I haven’t regretted at all. London it’s getting worse and worse everyday
All UK cities are bad and crime is bad too not just London .
@@Wayne-fn1sw I don’t think so. Chester has some bad bits but nothing to be compared to London. You can’t compare Croydon borough with many places in the UK
@@redpandagency Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol are all bad UK cities full of open racism and segregation issues and poverty and drugs these cities hide behind this word of multiculturalism they are segregated and divided and full of racial divisions and tensions .
Birmingham and Manchester and Liverpool are riddled with rubbish and crime.
@@redpandagency Croydon doesn’t represent all of London. Also, most of Croydon is technically Surrey geographically.
I’m sure you would not complain about Surrey, which in many ways is just as or more expensive than London.
the average working working class say like boroughs like Hackney, Newham can in no way afford property my Nephew lives in Newham cannot afford to move ,my friend is renting a room in Chingford paying £800.00 pcm . My niece and partner with money she inherited managed to buy an average bog standard property in Basildon they are early 20'a educated on good salaries , my other niece with money donated by her partners family managed to buy with shared ownership luton/hertfordshire borders not something I would recommend. its hard.. you have to look at the salaries people are on not everyone can afford 400-500K - my first property cost me 49k that was a lovely 1b g/f property that same property now way over 200K..
Since the 2008 recession London has gotten more expensive it was affordable to live before 2008. In the 1980s and 1990s people use to mive to London for better pay, now people are moving out because it is way more expensive to live and the pay had not gone up much since 2008.
London is safe for adults, you cannot compare to other cities like LA, NYC, Atlanta, Chicago.
Fair point. I've only ever been to NYC and it felt pretty unsafe in many parts.
I agree, I’ve always felt safe in London. Great video some good points however I absolutely love it here in London, plus vast majority of my friends and family are still here and although London is expensive, being in close proximity to friends and family is so important to us as it plays a big part in our personal quality of life.
Totally agree. I need to be near people like myself.@@MariyahGabriel
London is not safe my friend. I’m pretty streetwise. Know, Brent, north west London well and things can go south pretty fast. Even if you try and avoid issues.
@@AK47_. I grew up in Harrow & went to college with a lot of people from Brent(Harlesden, Stonebridge, Wembley, Neasden etc) also suffered with a lot of bullying, the badness impacts a specific age group & demographic. When you age out as a working professional you age out of all those things. Hence the way Queens Park is rapidly being gentrified.
I literally left that college in Harrow graduated from University & never saw the vast majority of those people again.