How Changing Ocean Temperatures Could Upend Life on Earth
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- While many of the effects of climate change, including heat waves, droughts and wildfires, are already with us, some of the most alarming consequences are hiding beneath the surface of the ocean.
David Gelles and Raymond Zhong, who both cover climate for The New York Times, explain just how close we might be to a tipping point.
Guests:
• David Gelles (www.nytimes.com/by/david-gelles) , who reports for the New York Times Climate team and leads The Times’s Climate Forward newsletter (www.nytimes.com/column/climat...) .
• Raymond Zhong (www.nytimes.com/by/raymond-zhong) , a reporter focusing on climate and environmental issues for The New York Times.
Background reading:
• Scientists are freaking out (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/27/cl...) about ocean temperatures.
• Have we crossed a dangerous warming threshold? Here’s what to know (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/cl...) .
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
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Man put money before life.
We COULD save the planet from human activity but it might be too expensive.
@@UnknownPascal-sc2nk True that. But it'll be even more expensive when everything goes to shit and needs to be fixed, like cities that have flooded e.g. Brazil. Pakistan was under water last year too. Whoever is rich right now in the oil and fossil fuel industries has destroyed everyone's livelihoods.
Money and life is not separate things, there is a reason why we are about 8 billion people now.
a few men did that, not the majority...
@@UnknownPascal-sc2nk only geo-engineering on a *massive* scale could save the remaining human habitat, the key is to reflect solar energy away from the surface. Even if those reflectors were just mounted on the ground, it would have a cooling-effect.
"It's true, the earth's ecosystems were destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created huge profits for investors."
We have been destroying ecosystems long before profit was invented. The most recent rampage of destruction of Homo sapiens started about 75,000 years ago and is called the Pleistocene Extinction in which, as we escaped from Africa, we exterminated everything in our path.
We caused the end of the Golden Age of Mammals and the end of Giant Avians and all other Mega-Fauna.
You could say the Pleistocene Extinction is still underway.
Please interview Guy McPerson and Paul Beckwith.
Nature hits last. the older stuff.
now now, we have to be gentle with the average joe crowd. No sense waking up a sleeping person in a car that just rocketed off a cliff.
@@odoylerules4503 several people claim that I ruined their life and they can't look at their grandchildren without crying. Explain I am just a messenger but it doesn't matter now I just smile and say all fine is all is well
Prophets of doom have forever announced the apocalypse.
@@christianrobertdemassy900 yeah and everybody lives and dies you're next🤣
And you didn't mention all the methane gas being released as all the permafrost is melting. Most models don't factor all that in.
People still sit in cars, engines idling away for entire lunch breaks unwilling to make the slightest change.
Drives me crazy as I pick up my son from school and see people sitting there for over 45 minutes idling here in Texas. And yes I turn my car off, bring a mister & a drink and roll my windows down usually getting looks as others pass by...
There is nothing at this point in the game that can be done to save us so drink up use your car do whatever you want and do not feel guilty because there is nothing that can be done
@@loopylynda1974 The other parents have probably had their kids throw a tantrum when they get into a hot car?😂
Im riding my bike have been for 3 weeks I live 2 miles from work. We need to go golf cart communities, school or work from home, we need mass transit. Eliminate fossil fuel motorsports...stop, curb your own pollution. Everytime you buy manufactured goods the planet pays a price. Stick to your needs...if you can. Earth needs responsible humans. You can change your habbits. Do It !
So what? I give two f#cks what you do on your lunch break. Breathe my exhaust, flatearther.
It will not upend life on earth, just human civilisation. That’s a very comforting thought, isn’t it?
Idk countless numbers of species have died off already, mostly mammals. Animals will all die off first.
We have already displaced most wildlife in our Anthropocene insanity.
Man will dominate the Earth and all animals will serve.
Climate changed
Impressive reporting on a scary future caused by unbounded greed, short term thinking and a lack of appreciation for nature.
Speak for yourself
@@georgelinker2408nature is doing the talking. We dug our own grave. Addiction to digging up dead stuff for convenience.
@@LarryCleveland Nature does no talking. Science is doing nothing but pushing the book of revelation and leaving god out of the picture. They pretend they learned this on thier own. It all begins with the seven trumpets
And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Then
Second plague: When this bowl is poured out, the sea will become blood and cause all life in it to die (verse 3).
Deceived by Satan the devil (Revelation 12:9) through an end-time political and religious power called the “beast,” humanity will continue to defy and blaspheme God even as the seven last plagues are poured out (Revelation 16.
The AMOC is slowing down (and probably shutting down based on early signals), which is slowing the movement of cold arctic water towards the equator. This is compounding the heating...we are entering the end game.
It's about time
Source?
If it's changing year over year, it's shutting down. This is like someone developing a lethal fever and dropping half their bodyweight, between heart beats.
The Planet red kachina is here again
@@307alexk So I wouldn't call her a "source" for this, but she has researched the pertinent data points to watch for and why, and has provided an update on those data points. Do with that what you will. Her channel is American Resiliency.
We’re at a point where we’re like the scene in the movie Titanic where they looking at the ship’s blueprint, and realizing that the sinking will be a mathematical certainty
Good catch !
Bit like some dusty scientists looking at the extended hockey stick going up and up in the future.
_looks like you need a bigger graph!_
(To cite another classic disaster movie featuring boats ;)
If you're listening to this, then you care about climate change. I don't think we can wait for the mainstream media to tell everybody this is a problem that needs to be fixed. I watched the video of a young climate activist who was depressed because all of her activities didn't seem to be making any difference. So I don't think activism in the public sphere is going to be enough. I'm not downplaying it but they're frustrated. I think it has to become a grassroots movement. That means you and I and everyone you know needs to get involved at whatever level they can. I've got friends who are still on the fence. They need to be convinced. You need to elect local representatives who are aware of the problem. You can donate money if you have some funds to climate research or climate activism. We all know that in our society we kick problems down the road until they become so massive that it's almost unsolvable. You know that's true. I don't even know if this is enough, but you'd like to be able to have your grandchildren know that you at least tried.
Nothing will be fixed because the overwhelming majority of the population is defective. Covid proved that beyond a shadow of doubt. People literally denied covid while on their deathbeds (the same thing will happen for this). It's every man, woman, and child for themselves.
It was also putting sulfur in the atmosphere that came down in rainwater and onto fields. This Increased the use of sulphites. . . You can't win for losing here. We have to have a holistic view of everything thing we change.
We can put up seawater instead (Marine cloud brightening)
Put 1.5% sulfur back into Jet A turbine fuel.
Short answer: we're fucked because most scientists are to honest to say "yeah its gonna get really bad reaaly quick" ; and therefore , ppeople will think, its not that bad, we can continue on the the same path".
Don't know why the oceans are heating up? Maybe it's the man made carbon that the ocean water captures like the soil.
This podcast doesn’t mention the recent revelations regarding “Ice Age Termination Events”. The situation is much more dire than anyone realized.
Yeah at this point we also need to be talking about how we live in a hotter world because we're long past the "tipping points" everyone is currently talking about.
I can't believe they didn't touch on the recent AMOC modeling replicated in two studies that said their best guest is mid-century this century. Instead the guy said that scientists didn't think it was shutting down this century. Unbelievable.
@@Rastamahatmaat this point humanitarian aid organizations should build heat shelters in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. Once a heat wave hits it will be too late to save the people
@@jajajaja2606 53 degrees C in May there already. This summer is going to be horrible.
Let's not throw "everyone" into the mix. There's people literally standing in traffic trying to get the attention of others. Plenty of people know; no one is listening
A really good summary of our current situation (for those not in denial). I think something being overlooked is in the Southern ocean near Antarctica is a similar overturning circulation point similar to AMOC, that drives Atlantic, Pacific and Indian ocean currents. Is the X factor (.2C temperature rise) scientists cannot put their finger on, a slowing of that overturning circulation? Only oceanographer, Jim Mass, has so far touched on it.
Would love a link. Can't find him. "oceanographer, Jim Mass" nothing came up
@@chinookvalleyLook up Science Talk with Jim Massa. Or try ocean heat content video/update.
Massa, not Mass.
This does nothing to alter that science has little proof and only makes claims time and time again. They cannot even prove global warming is true. This is all a bunch of claims of things unrelated claimimg they all show climate change.
We have known for a long time a bout what is happening and the rich are just as stupid as ever greed is the problem we are DOOMED!
some of a very rich are building shelters and underground buildings so they can live a little bit longer in misery
@@billyjoesmo8251 Yes in NZ what they don't know is NZ and Au are very anti-human environments and survival by yourself is not possible.
I noticed in windy app that for many lakes the surface temperatures are lower than of the nearest ocean surface - and this is still the point for summer season and hot weather. I also heard opinions that the recent acceleration of warming might be caused by ocean heat capacity starting to "deplete" and not being able to cool the atmosphere as effectively. I'm not sure how much this theory is scientific, but wouldn't it mean that total chaos is coming for this planet now?
Also the collapse of AMOC would quite probably disrupt monsoons throughout the world and comparing that to the UK becoming colder is just wrong. Talking only about Europe getting colder and not mentioning destruction of most populous regions is both evil and weird
Indeed, but they always do that, not mention that "little detail" of how the "global south" Will become unlivable
If ever interested about Global Warming and the 🌊 topic, a further research on "THERMAL INERTIA OF THE OCEANS" is definitely worth reading. 👀
Scientists are not completely sure about capacity, but ocean is showing strain. Problem with all this as mentioned above - we don't know, we don't know true consequences, but potential for catastrophic failure is huge. This is why climate science and climate change topic is more to politics, insurance and how to handle unknown risks. Problem is however money and greed and utter corruption of politics via cheap lobby money has destroyed any chance for this to have reasonably weighted policy making.
The way I’ve always figured it, is that by the time MSM actually speaks openly and honestly about what is happening to this planet, it will be too late to do anything about it. If the situation hasn’t actually already tipped, as I suspect it has, then we are teetering on that edge; and thinking that CO2 levels are going to sufficiently be reduced any time soon is completely delusional.
Why are we waiting on the mainstream media ? They're too busy getting clicks. I think it's up to us to get involved. Call your representative. Talk to your friends. If this doesn't become a grassroot movement, going to be too late
Our Oceans used to be viscus with life, the waves were small. With our pollution the Waves get bigger. Bigger than our fuel ships can handle.
AMOC has been weakening since 1930's... Specially subpolar gyre, area south from Greenland, has had loads of fresh water pulses that have gathered in the surface and that may lead to collapse. But that's one main area only. Some studies shows that Gulf stream has been stronger when there is lots of melt waters coming from arctic. This shows that even having subpolar gyre collapsion the whole AMOC might not collapse. But after all, we don't really know.
Some papers have estimated that Arctic sea ice loss is reduced by 26% because of weaker AMOC. This explains why some models have shown sea ice vanishing faster than it has done.
The total impact for the northern Europe could be within 6-10C temperature drop limits. When comparing this to already happened 2C warming or current 3-5C, that is doubled in these areas, the overall impact could be bearable. But the heat that does not travel to the north stays in the mid and southern latitudes creating more problems, like proposed extra heat toward Antarctic ice sheet. And the weather would be wild with higher peaks and sudden drops. This means the agriculture all around the world could become almost impossible.
We are already seeing signs that farming is suffering in many areas due to climate change. Extreme events like heatwaves, droughts, wildfires and floods have been ravaging many areas. Also swings in the weekly weather have been rising. 20C temperature shifts are not good for the crops, specially in the beginning in the season and when temperatures may drop to freezing conditions.
Well expressed
Norway made farmers leave land and killed their cattle. Colorado ranchers just ordered to kill Cattle. Over 1k chicken farms burned down last summer. The largest food processing plants have been tagged w violations that wld be so costly they shut down these huge plants and contracted w companies in not reliable countries. Remember no baby formula. No Jiff products. The Colorado river has been higher then avg past 10 years . They added new protected fish and 1 bird so they are still routing majority of Colorado river into the ocean just north of all the California farm land. Now they are gonna create protected ponds for the birds.. if glaciers melting we have unlimited supply of fresh water and stop the ocean rise. But they announced they were gonna make a pipeline from CA to Michigan ... since the Colorado drying up 🙄 and using the existing pipelines Is a no cause that wld solve lots problems. And of course getting salt out of water is more difficult then getting chemicals and waste out and more difficult then space station and more difficult then refining oil obtained from bottom of sea. Yes Boy Scouts can do it and we can do it but not on large scale... 🙄 or it wld be lots money 🤔 or what wld we do w the sand. Ok back to scheduled food shortage. Bill Gates bought the land around my dad in Nebraska and is cllaiming rights to underground aquifer. They set up Ebola groups at Hosp my daughter residency Denver . Gave Bubonic And Ebola vax . Also same in Minnesota. Colo MIN tx Fl
Release mosq oh gotta go plz look up. This video is told lies
Great questions and answers as well. Thank you
DON'T KNOW WHY? ITS BEEN PREDICTED FOR YEARS! SHAME ON THE TIMES FOR A STATMENT LIKE THAT!!!
I think scientist have been really concerned for some time now ...
Scientists are not concerned. Leftists are losing their minds.
It seems reasonable that Greenland's melting rate would pulsate. The AMOC collapse cooling could be sufficient to partially refreeze Greenland. This would in part depend on the how much additional latent energy will be delivered by likely increasing atmospheric river effects. Also, if sea ice were to begin to form, discharged brine could also contribute to restoring some of the circulation.
A warming of the oceans will ALSO lead to greater stratification along with the acidification of the oceans which is affecting phytoplankton which will affect oxygen levels. Good luck.
I find it absurd and weird that when a meteor hit the earth it took 10,000 years for the last dinosaur to give it up. And this extinction. Only took 150 years for our Extinction and demise😢
There is still one Dinosaur left - an interesting fellow who lives way down south but don't expect to see him move much.
@@woodliceworm4565 birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs.🌻🦩
@woodliceworm4565 alligators? They are reptiles, birds are more closely related to dinosaurs.
@@nepsyasudra3262 Go further South
Industrial revolution...
Hedonistic consumerism...
Overacceleration of history...
Civilizational dead end (at the global scale, though). 😬
Homo "sapiens" (sapiens, really?), or rather Homo DEMENS?!? (as suggested some 20 years ago by the renown French sociologist + philosopher, Edgar Morin).
This is not new news. I made graphics about this many years ago. I read about this projection 30 years ago. Humans are not changing they are just running headlong into this abyss. Good on you for talking about it, but really? Science fiction?
they were not saying AMORC is science fiction. They referenced a science fiction movie that featured it and called the movie itself science fiction - likely because we cant say for sure the specific weather and ocean related events that would occur if it shuts down, making the movie itself "fiction" since it is about those events, and the category of fiction is "science" since it is based on a scientific phenomenon.
i know this is for the general public but man it’s so dumbed down i couldn’t even finish watching
By 2030 we wont be able to survive because the extreme weather will stop everything !
Get ready for lots of suffering !
If Trump gets re-elected, its over ...
It's completely independent of the Election, it doesn't matter who "wins", we as a Species are f'd
their evil is over Truth comes
Yup. The EPA will be dismantled and scientists will be muzzled. Heavy industry will be deregulated and it will be terrifying.
50% of emissions have been in the last 30 years, we have had zero cuts in emissions in that time as its only increased and you think if the next person of a corrupted two party system gets in, that's when it's over?
I do my gopnik friend.
"How close we might be to a tipping point". Some of them are already half a century in the rear view mirror. Habitat collapse is inevitable now. There is no "fixing" things now.
If the AMOC has slowed down, wouldn't that effect the heat distribution in the ocean, skewing the averages?
2024: When the change became "the hockey stick"
Exponential increases such as the CO2 increasing
You don't seem to know anything about how life survived in the past when the climate and the gasseus composition of the atmosphere was much different than today.
Yes and there weren’t any humans
What relevance is that????
By "you" I assume you refer to the entire scientific community. You know, the ones that created the system that allows you to comment via your phone.
If the AMOC does shut down, the earth will still transfer heat from equator to poles, but the new ways of doing so will not be welcome effects.
It's a climate crisis now, but hey, my team's playing tonight.
Crisis? What danger are you in? What compromises have you had to make? What sacrifices have you been forced to endure?
WASF
Yes we are
@@EmeraldViewHello from collapse chronicles🖖
That’s a nice acronym.
yes Patriarchy is the root cause of the problem.
Do people not get it? We're talking civilization collapse in less than 20 years!
Boy I hope we last that long but I'm not so optimistic
does a kidnapping victim born in captivity see his captors for who they are?
when will the M.E.E.R project be activated by an emergency world government, as top-priority project to save as much of our habitat as possible?
(please look up Dr Ye Tao (Rowland/Harvard) and MEER for more info)
Do? Watch while there is media. After there is no delivery of various media (news, internet) sit down and realize we have little time to get affairs in order. Affairs in order? Each person looks at their habits, expectations and tribal relations and get on with living and dying in an increasingly chaotic world.
In 2020, COVID-19 lockdowns provided a notable "natural experiment", as there had been a marked decline in sulfate and black carbon emissions caused by the curtailed road traffic and industrial output. That decline did have a detectable warming impact: it was estimated to have increased global temperatures by 0.01-0.02 °C (0.018-0.036 °F) initially and up to 0.03 °C (0.054 °F) by 2023, before disappearing.
"@eliinthewolverinestate6729" == Huge knowledge gap. The ocean overwhelmingly determines the RATE of surface temperature change. The GHGs & aerosol solids determine the END GAME but the ocean overwhelmingly determines the RATE getting there (ocean allows 85% over 400 years). So in an eye blink of 1 year only 8% of where it was going is allowed by the ocean. Close that Vast knowledge gap ignoramus.
Republicans aren't hearing this
Democrats neither, they're tge same give or take racism and mysoginy. Check publically available data (BLM) , the curent administration gave more drilling permit than the one before...
50% of emissions have been in the last 30 years, while we were supposed to be reducing emissions we increased them. Nobody is hearing this and we continue to blame others.
@antonyjh1234 - Sorry. But the Republican Party is not pushing an honest discussion about this issue. They blamed their electrical grid failure in Texas winter on Windmills when it was them just being too cheap to purchase winterized equipment. This is their entire attitude when messaging to their base of voters.
When has it been when the average consumer was enabled to buy and afford products that could make a difference as concerns climate change? It certainly wasn't decades and decades that the average consumer had the choice. But to demonize the right choice to about half the nation? C'mon.
@@BurrQ19 This means nothing overall. The "other side" was never going to care for people over profit. Add : Just like you can't eat yourself thin, we won't buy your way out of 80% of our energy is from oil, people have been saying we need to stop consuming it while 50% of the emissions have happened in that time and then you think if the other side had been in then we would have? The business of govt is business and they do not care about you or the planet. I mean we currently occupy countries for oil, have invaded them, destroyed their economies and lives over it and waste it like it is our right and that we should have more of it so that we can use 636 kilowatts of energy per tank of diesel, to go for ice cream.
It’s the fault of people who believe in their rethuglican no morals people. They keep voting for them. It gratifies me that their time is coming also.
"So what else". Possibly the mechanically-driven Northern Ferrel Cell has slowed a bit. That would certainly cause exactly what has happened. It would hardly be surprising if Wonky Northern Jet Stream wasn't pushing the Northern Ferrel Cell as much as before. If the +ve cloud feedback turns out to be strong then the ocean below the mechanically-driven Northern Ferrel Cell could also warm by increased SWR.
Some people think reflecting light from the Earth's surface will cool the planet but It's not that simple, the UV has already gone through the 'glass' of the co2 layer.
That would be akin to saying painting everything white in a greenhouse would keep the greenhouse cooler, it ain't gonna happen is it, the light needs blocking 'before' it goes through the glass of the greenhouse or you reduce the amount of glass on the greenhouse eg reduce man made emissions put into the atmosphere.
Gaz UK.
Yes...
We do know what to do... We just don't like it. We need to stop burning fossil fuels and live with those consequences. Otherwise we will live with the consequences of continuing to burn fossil fuels. Not choosing to act is a the choice we are making.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA of those consequences? aerosol dimming effect? The methane burp is coming at any rate.
Have you though, stopped burning them?
A tank of diesel has 636 kilowatts of energy, around 3.6 months of my electrical energy consumption. we emit this energy without a second thought, just because everyone else is too.
Rex Tillerson should have to comment on all of these results of the oil barron lies.
Look at the financials of the top fossil fuel companies, including plastics and chemicals. They'll tell how they're doubling production in the next few years!
Guess what, their doubling production (if this is even accurate) because of demand.
@@anthonymorris5084 they are not. That demand is artificially created, spending tens of billions in marketing and lobbying.
@@Pecisk There is no such thing as artificially created demand. Marketing is a mechanism to aid the consumer in discovering and finding the products they desire. It's incredibly helpful to the consumer.
Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head. People purchase goods and services because they want or need them. You're trying to make the argument that everybody is stupid.
That movie mixed up the gulf stream with the amoc, so it was pretty confusing for that reason. No it is not just one part of it. The gulf stream is driven by winds, and there is no realistic chance that the gulf stream will not stop anytime soon. The only thing that could stop that is if the earth stop spinning.
Confusing.double negatives.??Could you clarify?
@@GregSteele-os8yp Could you clarify your question? What double negatives?
The Meers ReflEction Project is humanity's only hope!!
The oil company's only were made rich by the consumer buying their product, eg how can people justify flying half way round the planet to have a 'different experience' vacation ?
Gaz UK
Agree
And Nate Hagens and Leon Simons
Instead of generalizing and put all the blame on human why not trim down to even more specific. Politicians and the west, big companies and powerfull bankers deciding for the world 😊
The most scariest video i've ever seen...😮😢
Oh it's the new York times, I can completely ignore this information
The masking aerosol effect has been something that has been talked about for many years now it’s being talked about all the time make good use of your time
I think MCB is a better alternative.
@@heww3960 Professor Raymond Pierrehumbert points out that ANY "albedo modification" just causes "terminal shock" - meaning as long as CO2 keeps increasing then it dooms Earth to biological annihilation for 10,000 years!! So if we start "albedo modification" and we stop it at any moment in the next 10,000 years then we are doomed. Algae does store CO2 since oil is from algae. Look up Sir David King's plan for deep ocean volcanic ash fertilization to increase algae. That stores the CO2 which is the cause of the problem.
Tipping points??? Why talk about past history? We have already tipped over.🙃
So how does he prove that it was the Sun not CO2 that heated the oceans?
I've read your comments before and you are always clueless so there's no point me pretending you can ever learn anything. Anybody browsing past, the Sun's solar SWR radiation heats the ocean of course and this is what causes most heating of Earth. The "greenhouse gases (GHGs)" convert all forms of "heat" into LWR radiation and some of that goes down into the top 1 to 8 microns of the ocean. The more heat there is in the top 1 to 8 microns of the ocean the more it "pushes back against" the heat below trying to get out and get into the air and off to space. So increasing the GHGs increases that "pushing back" and the result is that the ocean gets a bit warmer over 2,000 years (the heat mixes downward). Simple stuff.
@@grindupBaker
This is highly questionable. IR heating of the sea surface may not be taking place at all! The humidity a few metres above sea surface is almost 100%. This means that there is a barrier above the surface which IR heating maybe cannot penetrate. Now, whilst you may rightly say, 'Ah, but the vibration of the molecules can warm the water vapour which in turn warms the oceans', that is a highly inefficient IR heating!
I'm not saying that this is happening, I'm saying that we don't yet know. If IR warming does take place, then this barrier would also stop heat emission. That would mean that the seas would have boiled away a few billion years ago. So clearly something else is at play.
However, ALL that is trumped by the fact that there is a far better correlation between undersea seismic activity and global warming, than there is between CO2 and warming. In other words, ALL the warming of the atmosphere via warming of the oceans is MORE LIKELY to be as a result of geothermal flux than carbon dioxide. If so, then it would render all our thoughts on GHG forcing irrelevant. Just ask yourself what causes an El Nino! This is an upwelling of warm water. From where? It appears likely that gravitational pulling of the Earth causes geothermal flux to respond.
As an aside, it would appear that warming is merely cycles (if you read the past), and that a negative PDO and AMO in the coming decade will mean we are heading for VERY cold times, in as little as just six years from now. As those negatives will coincide with solar cycle 26 (which in and of itself will be cool) then we are likely looking at trying to INCREASE warming! No good looking at CO2, it bands are already saturated. The most we could hope is 0.8 deg c by doubling CO2 to 840 ppm. And as we will have a reduction in population, that simply cannot happen.
Sun is heating everything. CO2 is not allowing that heat to escape in void.
@@Pecisk
No, you're making the mistake of thinking that 'greenhouse' is literal. The CO2=warming process happens (predominantly) very low down in the Earth's atmosphere. This is primarily because CO2 is almost twice as heavy as air, so it tends to fall, not rise. There is still some high up (50 km max), but up there the Earth is subject to the Stefan-Boltzmann law of black bodies, and heat is lost to space.
@@Pecisk
That's a fake physics hoax pushed by global Marxists. Google me to learn the truth;
Too many cars idling im too many traffic jams. There is no hope,not really.
"Could"!!!!!!
Try will!
Massively-incorrect science provided by Journalist at 14:23 to 14:33 Sure AMOC provides most of the heat but it only provides half of the water flow and these things shouldn't be grossly misstated like here
it starts with ending corruption
law changes that help the poorest economically
It has been understood for a long time that any effect on solar irradiance from aerosols would necessarily impact Earth's radiation balance. Reductions in atmospheric temperatures have already been observed after large volcanic eruptions such as the 1963 eruption of Mount Agung in Bali, 1982 El Chichón eruption in Mexico. Meaning the SO2 in ship track emission cooled the oceans and caused more condensation making smaller storms and hurricanes. But for some dumb reason they cut SO2 from ship track emissions after Tonga added more moisture to atmosphere. Still 10% more moisture in atmosphere from Tonga volcano. And now we see droughts in Panama after they cut SO2 from ship tracks. This global warming is actually caused by reduced SO2 from fossil fuels. Climate alarmist are only making the planet warmer. I got tons more evidence. Even from the IPCC and Noaa. Seems SO2 has a great cooling effects. Similar to CO2 and Methane. But climate alarmist forgot to include such things in there calculations. If you want a cooler planet just stop the climate alarmist. Addressing air pollution in Europe with the current policies is likely to increase the frequency of hot days and reduce the frequency of cold ones.
The actual question is how much of the reduced cloud reflection is due to warming troposphere and how much of the reduced cloud reflection is due to reduction in air pollution. It might take another couple decades to know that with high accuracy.
That’s a very stupid and short sighted point of view.
Guess what's the largest resevoir of carbon on Earth? The oceans! Guess what happens when it warms up? It releases the carbon into the atmosphere!
Yes for sure but of course as usual the Devil is in the Details and the Details is How Much Quantity For How Much Warming ? You don't have a clue what that is because scientists don't.
For billion of years life existed only in the ocean until the ozone layer was created in the upper atmosphere, which filters the truly harmful UV radiation from the sun, after which vegetation was able to move onto the land prior to insects, and vegetation, etc etc, so the question is what or who created the ozone layer, for without the ozone layer, all vegetation would die and the domino effect would make life unlivable on land, without moving into dome cities, like in the movie “Logan Run”….
We are fucked global temp will be almost 3 degree Celsius by 2045
the planet red kachina is here again blessings to you
Optimistic. 2 years at most. So long, it's been interesting.
Thats my thoughts as well, I think we will be blindsided, Guy McP may not be far off the mark.
There's 1200 gigatons of pressurized methane in the world's largest ocean shelf - East Siberian Arctic Shelf. How long do we have to wait for the corporate media to even mention the research group of Natalia Shakhova - the atmospheric emissions out of ESAS is already increased enough to be significant. An "abrupt eruption" of just 50 gigatons will double atmospheric temperature - could happen any day now.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 I think that methane release will happen slowly, the north will actually cool first before heating and rising ocean seas levels will add extra pressure on the methane hydrades, it will how ever not help if it starts leaking faster. I could be wrong so could the researchers because we have never faced this situation before.
The interviewer is so impressively stupid. I love it. I wanna be a NY Times interviewer!!!
Guy McPherson is right
"Could?" We are there. It is already happening.
We are in deep sh it. We need to throw everything at this. But nobody cares.
The Great Barrier Reef is gone dead no longer alive most of the reefs are dying or will die😢 the phytoplankton and krill are also dying
What utter garbage! The Great Barrier Reef is in fantastic condition with record coral cover.
@@stevehewitt1151 you could look using satellite data it's very obvious it's bleached but if you want to pretend it really doesn't matter to me or to the coral reef so keep on pretending🤤
@@stevehewitt1151 you want to keep pretending ignore this message but 90% of the reef was bleached in 2012 you can look on the internet
been over seven more severe bleaching events since then😥
The simple solution is “Unity” . We can’t decide what to do if there’s no unity. Even if we make a mistaken decision about what to do, IIF we are United in the decision, that will open up new possibilities. Do we want an authoritarian government to unify our country from the top down? . At this point I’m reminded that the novel protagonist in 3 Body Problem. She asked the aliens to help unite mankind.
Unity? Sounds great, but... lol. Human unity is an oxymoron, like hot ice cream.
Yes, let us unify even if the unity is stupidity. Knowledge in action is what is needed, not intellectualism which gave us the atomic bomb, but a strategy based on the health of humanity and the ecosystems that support us.
Unity? In 2015 countries agreed to limit warming. Nothing happened. We will all die in the next 20 years. Enjoy life now.
Everything was going fine until the Trisolarians learned that we can lie and deceive. 😳
Without force, some people no matter how good they are as a person won't change. You talk of unity but we can't make a dent on tax havens. Force is violence, depending on which side of it you are and telling people to do less shouldn't be hard sell but how do you tell everything that everybody has worked for is a waste of time once we move to a post oil world which is coming in the next few decades. If there isn't an authoritative govt then how will anything get achieved, the issue is who is going to vote in a govt that says we are going to have less jobs, by 80ish%.
Your conversation fits for junior high school kids at best. We knew the coral reefs were dying two decades back.
the top Great Barrier Reef Marine Biologist just posted that he retired and he's weeping. 80% of the reef is dead now.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 and it really hurts
Exponential is the amount of time for double
The reason for not knowing what happening now is the wrong math
So the math needs to be Exponential but a hidden part is Bissness as usual at the same time
With that in mind the math of Exponential is no longer a doubling but a tripling math do to Bissness as usual
For example Exponential = such as 2 to 4 to 8 to 16 to 32 to 64 to 128
The new Exponential mat do to Bissness as usual at the same time is 3 to 6 to 12 to 24 to 48 to 96 to 192
And temperature going to follow
So Exponential math at a tripling science is 35 percent in the dark with their math
That why it's worse then prevesly then thought🎉
0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
The lowest its ever been in 600 million years.
The atmosphere has warmed about 1.6°C in 40 years or +0.04°C per year. It takes 8.3 BTU to increase a gallon of water temperature 1°F. There are 7.4 gallons in a cubic foot of water so about 60 BTUs per cubic foot. But it only takes 0.13 BTU to heat a cubic foot of air by 1 degree. So the oceans will heat by 0.04 x (0.13/60) = +0.000087 degrees per year. It will take 11,538 years to heat the oceans by 1°F. _The math and physics is irrefutable!_
he is worried about fisheries?
Ride a bike to school, work, store. Buy less stuff. Manufactured goods cost the earth, stop buying so much crap...stop ! We need mass transit. We need solutions. Each of us need to step up.
Says the person using an environmentally destructive device to post on an environmentally destructive platform.
Hello folks, the currant have slowed by around 15 percent, in 2090-2100 it will be slowed by 37 percent and between 2200-2300 it can potentially stop if we hve not fixed the issue before hand. The climate change is important and urgent, but these news here on youtube is so extreme and with so little nuance that I hope yall take into consideration, before you get scared or feel hopeless.
Nice of you to try and cheer us all up, but sadly, everything is happening faster than anyone anticipated. And the speed of change itself continues to speed up. Though it’s true that no one can say how fast this will go, it is also true that your offering of how slow it will go is most likely, highly inaccurate.
Oil runs out in 47 years, net zero is in 24 and net 50 in 9. The issues of global warming will be much slower, at 5c, which will be reached, it is supposed to take 330 years for 10% of the ice to melt. Moving to post oil, in your lifetime, is where a little bit being scared will help.
@@trulyaghast9712 well as someone who gets the news from the least corrupt nation on earth, and a nation in wich the greenest cities on eath and most importantly a nation who have this topic very much in mind, as we are a nordic country and will loose everything if we dont prepare for this. (these newd are so outrages and without evidense to back up their claims, that they might as well be from oilfirms trying to get people procrastinating)
I have learned of this since I was 11 and we first had it in school. this is facts. and there are no science yet that is saying it is speeding up, actually we follow pretty much what have been predicted, only the people didnt understand how scary those predictions is. 2023 and 2024 have been elninio years, meaning they have been warmer dips, it can get colder again, first then can we know how fast climate is changing. you guys are not to be scared of this currant, if you want to be scared of somethibg in this regard be scared of the mosquitoes and coral reefs vanishing, be scared of the permafrost melting and releasing methan/CO4 wich warms the atmosfere 80 times more than CO2. ingact if we hit this tipping point, there will be released more greenhouse gas than humans have ever released, about dobble. but dont get hopeless, as the only way we all stop procrastinating is stop the fear around it. so please dont waste your fear on the wrong things, I hope you have a great life, nice to meet you both. ❤️
So he wants us to add more carbon into our atmosphere? Who sponsored this study, big oil?
He makes us feel so helpless.
This rag isn't fit for lining the bottom of a birdcage.
15:56 they don't mention how long the scientists have been monitoring this current. What is the long term data used to describe what the temperature of the ocean and the speed of the ocean currents?
You have some great questions, maybe you should study oceanography or other relates sciences that would get you figure out the answers for yourself. If you dont have the time, id recommend reading research on the subject and analyse them with the crytical mind you are showing, that would be in the interest of all of us.
"There are huge non climate effects of carbon dioxide which are overwhelmingly favorable which are not taken into account. To me that's the main issue that the earth is actually growing greener. This has been actually measured from satellites the whole earth is growing greener as a result of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's increasing agricultural yields, it's increasing the forests, it's increasing all kinds of growth in the biological world and that's more important and more certain than the effects on climate." ~Freeman Dyson, Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey.
What happened during lock down? Did our environment finally get to breathe? Turn off the lights! I'd rather go back to nature and do it tough then be forced down a path of pain and suffering by evil greed.
Western Australia is currently having the warmest autumn on record, accompanied by a record lack of rain. All down the coast so much of the forests and bushland are browning and slowly dying. I can't imagine what it'll be like a year from now - it's devastating the local flora and fauna and our government continues to pretend that it's all fine. Pretty sure we've already crossed the tipping point, some will live and most will die.
This is not new phenomenon and history didn't begin the day you were born.
@@anthonymorris5084 We've been keeping records for a long time now, and our indigenous people have a spoken history of 50,000 years. We can see with our own eyes what is happening to the environment. If you wish to be ignorant or you're just trolling then that's your choice.
@@SW-lw6mt Proclaiming that 50,000 years of spoken history can in anyway reliably express historic weather patterns and centuries of climate is beyond laughable. My friend the *data* does not support your *own eyes.* Please enlighten me, exactly what is happening to the environment that has you so concerned?
Coral evolved to their present form during a period of time where the oceans were much warmer. Warmer water is beneficial to new corals growing in new environments.
I expect AMOC disruption to also contribute to change and disappearance of continents. That's something Exxon never considered. That is something not all the profit directed to 1% of humanity can stop. The paradox might have given life on earth a chance... It will take not only all life changing direction from our current economic system, but a miracle on par with parting the Red Sea with a stick hitting the shoreline. Not likely.
Exxon does not consider anything. They don't care. They are like virus, calculus that pretends to be living being.
You can't sustain a population of 8 billion people on earth without oil. Get rid of oil and some people will starve or die of exposure. Who will the self-absorbed subject to that fate.
too many ridiculous mega cruise gluttony at sea ships
So because you hate cruising everyone else has to stop. Got it.
@@anthonymorris5084 I like cruising ..but it is gluttony at sea. It is a little much.
@@kali542 This doesn't entitle you to end this for others. Can you not see out dictatorial the climate movement is?
Ocean temps have been rising for the last 20,000 years. Life flourished.
It is sad that a once respectable newspaper has degenerated into this kind of scare-mongering. A major reason for the warm oceans now is the (completely natural) eruption of the underwater volcano Hunga Tonga in 2022. The underwater explosion was the largest ever recorded by modern instruments and sent huge amounts of water vapor high into the atmosphere, leading to warming. Combined with El Nino this has given record high ocean temperatures. In the next several months, the situation will likely normalize. And AMOC is not likely to «collapse», according to the IPCC. Btw, collapse is a favorite word for alarmists; climate, ecosystems, AMOC, ice sheets, civilization and a whole lot of other things are allegedly on the brink of collapse… But nothing really «collapsed» during the Medieval warm period, the Holocene climate optimum (possibly warmer than currently) or the previous interglacial (certainly warmer than currently).
Hunga Tonga is assessed at 0.15 / 1.2 = 12% of the warming causes since 2022. There's still 88% to account for.
The volcanos on the Hawaiian islands have been in constant eruption since the 1970's.
Coral bleaching is not coral dying. Enough to not listening to this anymore.
This guy is very slow and sloppy explaining things. Very nonchalant in his delivery. As if he doesn't realize people are going to listen to this.
Not everyone can be a skilled stage actor like members of Congress. Speed up playback to 1.25 or 1.5 for a better listening experience and save what little time we have left.
17:38 How do you know the AMOC shut down 12.8k years ago? What caused the climate to change so quickly then? It could not have been man's effect on climate.
This is know by understanding sediment deposition at the bottom of the ocean
The north Atlantic is filled to the sea bed by North Atlantic Deep Water (NADW) caused by the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) which has pushed the AABW back to the equator, held it at bay. During the 21 Dansgaard-Oeschger (DO) events when the AMOC stopped (Younger Dryas the most famous) the AABW pushed far up into the north Atlantic. That back-and-forth is called "the bi-polar see-saw". See at Jerry McManus th-cam.com/video/J-YW8Y0ooPg/w-d-xo.html
Bleaching coral reefs and linking them to "dead" coral reefs is like looking at deciduous trees in november loosing their leaves and assuming they are dead. Bleaching events happen when corals expel algae. Algea often grows back. It is not completely understood why the coral expels algae, but it is coorelated by warm spells.
It's terrifying that most conservatives will never hear any of this😢
It's terrifying that most Leftist believe any of this.
They are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world.
-Jesus words
I wonder how long until people get sick of CC news???
Joseph Fourier first published global warming science two hundred years ago - in 1824 he published that the "effects of human industry" would heat up Earth. So how many years until people actually confront the problem? hahahaha. Too late now. We can't talk about it ENOUGH - the drought and famine will spread fast.
C'mon! Ocean Liners and cargo ships? Stop creating this simple explanations with simple solutions! That might have played a warming role but it's till a PG13 role!
Why the music? I would expect that from the history channel, but not the New York Times.
As climate change is all about natural cycles, we will be VERY cool in just six years from now, and cooling fairly rapidly from then on for around 40-60 years. ALL the signs are there to see if you look for them. Don't listen to anyone, including me, go look for yourself.
What a load of BS someone needs to fact check this, ie a real climate scientist.