OP should save these texts and present them in court. Prove your husband does not have any empathy for his own child. Especially the part about your child being bullied, make him a girl. His way of thinking is a detriment to your child's wellbeing!
And also if the bullying gets physical, to defend himself. Sounds like the whole family is toxic. Really bad parenting by the adults in that family. Dean sounds like a little monster.
Sadly I wouldn't be too surprised if "daddy dearest" didn't put the nephew up to the bullying to "toughen" his kid up. Hopefully that S.O.B. only gets supervised visits.
OP did the best thing by removing her son from the toxic dad and aunt. Kim lost her mind and OPs husband is just as bad as his sister. They should be blaming Kim for her actions not OP.
Yeah, so great that she married the "touch" CHAD and brought a kid to this world with him. Societies views of what's "great" and "bad" is so fucked up...
@@godnyx117i mean some times people dknt show their personality until marriage etc. Especially given how long their relationship was and that this is due to deans recent behaviour. The husband may not of shown his true colours until their was a reason for him to actively disagree with his wife
@@_Hollie_ I doubt. It's too convenient that it happens all the time. I have heard stories that it makes sense that they truly didn't know, but I don't know in that case. Your whole personality and way of thinking and facing a specific topic is something that cannot be hidden.
@@godnyx117 i mean id usually agree, but they were together for 9 years and have a 7 year old son. In that time frame youre constantly told that sometimes people grow apart and its just the ups and downs if marriage etc. Not mentioning that because the cousin wasnt an issue until recently they probably never had massive disagreements about their childs development. From experience with my younger cousins you do have to give them a push sometimes, especially if they’re particularly cautious. Not saying you force it on them but she may of just seen any prior signs as him trying to make his son less hesitant to take risks (in context). Yes this isnt a mindset that grows over night, but it can be well hidden by people until the rose coloured glasses come fully off. Given his families response as well i really wouldnt be surprised to learn theyd planted a lot of these ideas, again especially considering the cousins the same age and they always have been a bit rough with each-other. Its not like he was aggressive out of nowhere, the son and cousin have likely rough housed for years, after a certain point you do literally just have to let them get on with it and make sure no-one is severely injured. The cousin only more recently started getting more aggressive and essentially bullying the son. There we’re obviously signs but they arent easy to miss when you look into the context of it. The only time that it becomes glaringly obvious is when he insists they still interact after the cousin has become significantly more violent. But even then a reasonable parent isnt going to think their spouse is going to go full apes**t and do what the husband did.
@@_Hollie_ Thank you for your time and effort writing that. Seriously! But it's not a pleasant topic for me to talk about for some personal reasons. I don't want to say anything as I don't think it's going to help neither you, me nor anyone else, and it will in general not offer anything to the conversation. I wish you to have a beautiful day or night! 😊
there are certain balances on this. a father is there to help a little boy. learn to be stronger but not like this. My father taught me to push harder to try and do that extra push-up try to run just a little bit further. I wasn't able always to live up to his standard but there's one thing he always had for me if I tried my best. he was always satisfied even if it wasn't able to get as far as he would like. the fact that I was becoming better was what was the most important thing. Even if I was able to throw up all half an inch further or have it to where. I'm just a little bit better had something he taught me the value of hard work. on the other hand, I was horribly bullied at school. he taught me to stand up for myself but not to take it too far. I wasn't as physically capable as my father but deep down he never bullied me for it. he was there for me in every way he could he was tough on me but he was also there to comfort me. he always showed his appreciation for even the tiniest of improvements. and that is what a positive male role model should be someone who pushes you, but is equally there to celebrate all of your victories to console you in your losses and help you learn from them.
a lot of you are missing the fact that if one parent doesn’t allow it, CPS can become involved, esp if there is a pattern of abuse or bullying from one party.
@@femboy__bunny, no. Parents disagree about specifics of child rearing all the time, but you can't just call the police. They are both this child's parents and have equal rights in the eye of the law. She would have to go to court and get a judge to put a temporary restraining order against the sil before she would be able to call anyone about it. Even then police would likely tell her it's a civil matter and there is nothing they can do. No police is going to arrest a custodial father for letting their child have a sleep over with a cousin.
How can avoiding rude, obnoxious, or hateful people be considered acting like a baby or running away?!? That's just common sense. Guess that makes everyone a baby! Your ex-husband is one of the biggest AH ever. Obviously, he doesn't care about the mental or physical welfare of his own child. What if his son had been in the living room, he could have been extremely hurt!
I hate to say this, und I so hope that I am wrong. But given the OP's ex-husband's attitude, the ex-sister-in-law's attitude. I sadly wouldn't be too surprised if the ex-husband didn't put his nephew up to bullying his own son.
OP is a POS. Nate isn’t her son. Nate is her and her husband’s son. He has every right to have that kid around anyone he wants. He’s a dick, sure, but CPS would never have done a single thing once they learned the father approved of the aunt picking up Nate.
Agree that the father can give permission to the aunt to take Nate, but OP can send her parents over there to get her son with the cops and get him. OP could tell them the school separated the kids and Nate would also say he did not want to be there. Parents do not have the right to have anyone they want around their kids. You can't have them around deranged people. In no way is OP a POS but her ex sure is.
I see a lot of comments saying that’s not how CPS works but in the US, in California if I call 911 and a child is being abused, they have to do a welfare check, since the little boy had been crying he definitely showed signs of distress and as soon as he said he was sent to bed without dinner, that is considered abuse. The phone call from the mother, along with that kid crying condition, of course they will remove the child and the present adult (sister) will have a case opened against her because I’m sure she’s the one who said she sent him to bed without no dinner. I know sending kids to bed without dinner is an old school punishment but still considering abuse. Any social worker can pick out all the wrong action the father did and his sister.
op you did the right thing by removing your son form your toxic ex husband and sister-in-law after they lost their mind and his cousin is not nice at all and he is a bully . I hope he gets some help that he needs
If you had taken her son behind her back, she would have called the cops on you too. You did the right thing. Your husband messed up big time and is still messing up by not making an effort to see the son. When he did come around, he sealed his fate with that horrible drunken incident. You dodged many bullets with this toxic family. What a nightmare.
Only a narcissistic and sadist parent could enjoy and justify this..and saying that kim is "unstable" at that moment, yet allowing an unstable person to take your kid to a place and company he is terrified of! Pathetic
Pressed charges for what?!?! The Kid's father can say whether or not to have a sleepover.... granted this was stupid but it's not illegal as the boy wasn't hurt.
Op forgets the father can also give permission to do things. But that father was in the wrong after that. He only cared about his sister and his family. He clearly didn't like his son. Also you know he sent his son over there so he wouldn't have to take care of him for one night. With how he acted, it's clear there are alot of toxic things going in that family. My guess they repress everything. Sister was probably the golden child everyone protected. I wonder if his mom was at that drunken party. If she was she would know this would happen. It's going to be funny because that will now pop up anytime someone dose a background check. He hasn't learned anything and the drama will probably start up again when sister gets out.
Yes, the father can give permission, but at the same time, thanks to the prior situation at the school, the fathers permission is also something that would hurt him in court. The school transferring the kid to a different class means that bullying did happen, and that tends to be recorded. That tends to list the fathers sister's home and her son as potentials for domestic abuse along with a known problem to prevent bullying situations to continue when school gets out if there is more to the bullying than just in class issues, such as out of school ambushes that might be even more violent. In that situation, it's the father putting him in a situation with someone he knew had abused him, both according to his wife and the school authorities...meaning that while he can do it, it's something that could add him as another defendant in any legal case that ensues. It's also considered child abuse in and of itself, same as you sending your kid to the uncle that you know has beaten him before...it isn't going to end well for you there. CPS involvement also tends to be automatic so things go from there...
@AzraelThanatos yup and helped show op that divorce was the only way. But the fact that op thought only her permission could be given for things shows she didn't understand the dad had rights. Thankfully he doesn't have those anymore. I'm surprised she hadn't seen his toxic side before now.
I don’t know if anyone else is getting a weird vibe about the sister-in-law Kim’s ex boyfriend. What were the reasons they broke up? Did the ex-boyfriend do something Physically/sexually abusive to Dean? From what I get from the story is that Dean’s behavior seems to have changed before the break up and he is taking things out on his cousin. I also think that Nate‘s father’s willingness to allow his nephew to bully his son is his way of making sure his son is a “real man” in case some kind of abuse occurred between the boys. I wish OP and her son all the best and that they are able to live their best lives.
I was thinking the ex-boyfriend left a bit before the behaviors started with Dean. If so, it could mean he was a stabilizing influence on the boy. Kim didn't seem to want to actually parent her child.
It could have been jealousy that Nate still had his dad at home and Dean didn't. It's also possible the ex-boyfriend was the one who handled the discipline while Kim was the "fun parent".
It could be a mixture jealousy that he still had a father combined with the fact that Kim might actually be abusing him. after all. she did do violent things when she didn't get her way
This story makes zero sense. No way an aunt and father would be arrested for letting their kids have a sleepover. A father has equal rights. Nor I going to bed without dinner once abuse.
I would like a followup with how Dean did after his father got custody. Maybe he got so much better he apologizes to Nate and they become friends again. Neither Kim or OP's husband should ever have anything but supervised visitation and they can pay child support.
well the husband screwed whatever chances he had by throwing that pot through the window to break it. that and possibly breaking other laws such as driving under the influence, risking other people lives while driving drunk, and im also suprised the family didnt get any recusssions since they conspiredin the idea to go to o.p's parents house and mess with her. It would probably be best to get a restraining order on whats left of the family, and make sure the school knows that only o.p and her own parents are the only ones who can pick him up from school. incase her ex inlaws or any of that crazy family does something stupid, especially since they encouraged their own son to go and mess with his soon to be ex wife a day before the ir first meeting to settle things
I have said it so many times, no-one is going to care about your child more than their mother. Kids are only special to their mother. Nobody will stand up for your child like you. Nobody is going to protect your child like you. Nobody will fight for their child like a mother. I bet that poor boy is so let down by his father.
1. OP really had a husband problem. She did the right thing in ending that relationship. OP has plenty of ammunition to deny her ex custody and expose her son to his father's family.
She needs to tell Harry, that he is at fault for allowing his unstable sister, Kim, to take Nate home with her. And then when told by His wife, OP, he should have gone and retrieved his son from his unstable sister, Kim. and then when her ex decided that Kim wasn't parenting right and demanded custody after her episode of child abuse, she went off the deep end, for which he is to blame.
I remember a woman who was going all around the state I live in ( Illinois USA) as a speaker. Talking about bullying. Parental bullying, bullying from family members. She shared her experience. She has a son. Her husband didn’t really care. But oh. His older sister has a son 2 years older. Well. Husband cared more about his nephew than his own son. There was a birthday sleepover. Just the 2 boys to camp in the living room. I guess it was raining and backyard is a no go. Well the nephew caused so much trouble. Literally beat his younger cousin with a baseball bat. Causing so many injuries. Head, face, nose, ear, knees, ribs. Leg. Toes… from what the mother said. The nephew put his cousin in critical condition. The mother’s husband? Did nothing! Nothing. Told his own son to stop faking and to grow up. His brother in law was away on a business trip so he wasn’t aware until after he returned. The husband returned from the sleepover. Claiming he grounded his son for being a baby. The mother explained she rushed him to the hospital. Daddy dearest never came to the hospital. Mother’s family did. Brother in law was furious. Divorced his wife. Daddy took his sister’s side and his nephew. His father in law, brother in law, and best friend all sat him down and forced him to watch a video. The brother in law suspected his wife cheated. Nope. The cameras around his house caught all the bullying and the horrible beating. All of a sudden dad doesn’t want to watch the video. They made him watch. Any time he looked away, they made him keep watching. He watched that video for 4 hours. When it was finished, they made him watch it again until he really understood. Seeing the boy’s injuries just from photos. She played part of the video… it’s the worst thing i ever saw. I couldn’t believe it. The dad sat there doing nothing while his son took a baseball bat to the nose. His nose. He was on the ground and getting the bat to his knees and ribs. That dad just sat there. Saying nothing. My wife sat next to me. Most of the people watching were angry or crying. His father in law grabbed him. Took him to the hospital and said “ here’s your son! Be a damn father “ Daddy dearest saw his son laying there with so many machines and wires. Reality slowly started to set in. Father in law said “ do you see your son? Take a good look at him! You sat there as this happened! You did nothing. But you defended the person that did this! Are you dumb? Stupid? Or a just a jerk. You’re a horrible father. “ The mom explained that when her dad took her husband back home, he was greeted with divorce papers hanging on the front door. As well as papers for the sister in law plus a restraining order. Reality fully set in. Dad wasn’t so tough anymore. She teaches awareness for bullying. If anyone bullies my step son. Guess what. You deal with me. I don’t care what a person says to get out of it.
OP's husband gave Op gold when he admitted in a text that his sister was unstable. That will help OP in her case to get full custody of her son. She just has to have her attorney submit that text in court. Her husband knowingly let an unstable woman take their child to her home where there was an out of control child. OP should also provide the ex a copy of that email for his custody case.
NTA OP. Kim's behaviour was her own choice and not your fault, just as her refusal to acknowledge her son's bullying behavior towards your son was her fault. I can well understand your wanting to be away from your husband. Even though he had heard many times about how your son was treated by his cousin and his sister, he was still prepared to subject his son to being alone in that household with a good chance of becoming distressed and with noone to protect him. His own father, your husband, was willing to let his son be abused by his sister because you were not there to protect him. Not feeding a child in your care is abuse and there can be no argument against that. If the child's own father will not protect his son from that treatment, then he is not an asset to the family unit.
Its really sad that adults cant move on from their own parents or siblings. Im not talking about cutting them off, but once you have an SO, they need to be second priority, not all the time, but they cant always come first because your priorities should have shifted
The other child parent didn't see her child having any major problems, neither did OP's hubby, neither did, any of the other kids parents boycott them at parties, not did the school until Supermom demanded her son switch classes. Kids squabble, fall out, make up, fight, hug, form groups and turn on each other, switch group allegiances, make up again and invite each other for sleepovers all in one afternoon. Supermom overreacting causes the other mother to have police and cps involvement, right in the middle of a divorce, then wonders why the stress of it made her flip. Maybe. MAYBE this other kid was genuinely a bully and OP was the only one to notice, in which case, she was right in what she did... but this account of events doesn't ring right, to me.
Nowhere in the story did it say Dean was invited to other parties and the school would not inform OP if any other parent had problems with him. You think it is OK for Kim to get Nate and decide to withhold food as punishment, for what? His objection to them bad mouthing his mother? You really think it is OP's fault Kim smashed up her own house? I'd say OP was proven right.
I’ve noticed one thing about OP. The only person I hear references to aside from the child is …”me, I, myself “. Not impressed. I feel sorry for her son. His life with her is going to be tough.
This story is BS. The cops would say this is a domestic dispute and tell her to get a lawyer. No crime was committed, just a dad letting his son (even if he was his stepson) go to a family members house. This woman got burned in the divorce and is talking crap.
nah fam. A child going to someone’s house is a two yes one no dispute and CPS will get involved since it’s considered a kidnapping case. I was in a similar situation as a child. If he was being bullied to the point where he was taken out of his class and placed in another one it’s bad. Say you don’t understand how the real world works without saying it
@@femboy__bunny Once the school did that, the father handing the kid over shifts from domestic dispute to child abuse mess. The school reports the heavier bullying cases, or are, at least, supposed to do so with things because it's often a situation where some bullies then target out of school. Being related there is something that expands it even more with the situation with involvement. Add in mandated reporters and you have a messy situation. And the situation evolves, legally, from the father letting his son/stepson go to a family members house into one of giving him to someone known to abuse him there...which involves the cops, and since it involves kids, CPS as well
So OP’s soon to be ex admits in a text that his sister is mentally unstable. Put that together with the fact that he met her take OP’s son pretty much gives OP game, match, over in the pending custody case. He total breakdown will give her ex a slam dunk custody case as well.
Husband blaming OP because she called CPS on SIL because she knew “she was unstable” and so OPs somehow at fault for SIL freaking out and injuring herself. He sent their precious son with an unstable woman just because of “family”. Sick.
The mother is not parenting your child the victim of her son he being used as a punch bag your husband disgusted me by not talking to his sister and allowing your son his boy to suffer you did the right thing for both kids
The part I don’t understand is Kim and the ex broke when Dean was a year old and they now coparent. How is it a recent breakup if Dean is now 7 years old? Did Kim think they were still together until he was no longer co parenting amicably? Because that happened 6 months prior so Dean was 6.5. If that’s the timeline then Kim has needed help for 6 years and didn’t get it. Now ex has seen a viable reason to get sole custody of his son. How much do you want to bet he saw behavior that wasn’t acceptable which is why they “broke up recently”? Looks like Kim is getting the help she needs and Dean will too. He’s been acting out which is probably his way of asking for help. Kim’s family was broken long before now.
Everyone calls out the husband for been the classic "touch guy" asshole he is but why isn't anyone calling out the mother for marrying this asshole and making kids with him? So many cases about women wanting to protect their "little babies" and not have them face any hardenship but they would NEVER be with a "kind and sweet" man themselves. Absolutely hypocrisy from the mother's part. MillenniaThinker has a video in a similar story (tho a little bit different but the point about the mother consists). Both parents are completely garbage and I feel bad for the poor kid!
It sounds like the father knew that his sister was unstable at the moment from the way he said it was OP's fault. his word choice about how she might have known that the sister was unstable if they both knew she was on the stable and the father sent his son to the house of someone he knew was unstable. that's not boys will be boys. that's father will hand someone over to be harmed on purpose
I don't get the police involvement here. Not on the husband's or Kim's side, but as the dad, OP's husband did not do anything illegal by sending his son to a sleepover. It was an awful awful choice, but technically not illegal.
Because you need both parents on board for it. It’s why when parents are divorced you need to sign off on taking your kid out of state or out of the country.
@@ninanotzon6872 Most schools aren't going to shuffle kids around just due to an overprotective parent, something major had to be going for that to happen there. Once that happens, the rest kind of follows it
--- I think Kim's ex boyfriend did something inappropriate to Dean. This child's behavior changed, she's detached and his dad is acting weird. Your husband is a tool, but charges can't be pressed because he's also a legal and didn't need any approval to take Nate anywhere. OP's husband and his sister are flying monkeys and along with clueless family are on the crazy train. Husband and his family were really stupid to come up with a "prank" the night before mediation. OP's only regret should be is it took nearly 10 years that her husband and his family's craziness to reveal itself. Thankfully Dean's father got him off that crazy train and hopefully finds out if anything untoward happened to him.
The father does not have the right to subject his kid to child endangerment. The school separated the kids due to Dean's bullying, and the father sends him to his bully when the mother's back is turned? The aunt not feeding him as punishment and Nate crying and not wanting to stay there? They would give Nate to the grandparents. Because OP is the mother, she has rights and evidence her sin is in danger. The cops would ask the dad why he would send his kid to his school bully. There is no answer for that.
Not gonna lie, respect OP for defending her son, but I am of the belief that the son gotta learn to fight back, life is not gonna be nice to him if he cant stand up for himself
What would the do jail time for since none of his AH acts were felonies. I don’t disagree with OP but in 9 years you are telling me everything was fine, then this. This had to be building up for quite some time. Lots of missing information. One sided and convenient. But NTA.
Not defending the father or aunt at all, but how could the police legally arrest a father just for letting his son go to his own sister's house? I believe that cops would laugh at that.
When it comes to letting elementary school kids go to someone's hows it's 2 yes 1 no and Nate didn't want to go, so this was a case of forcing a 7 year old to go somewhere against his will. The sorry excuse for a father didn't 'let' him go he 'made' him go. There's a huge difference.
I swear the only time a dad fights tooth and nail for custody is so they don't have to pay child support. He wants custody but can't even come to visit his son
Yea, I would stress in court that he couldn’t even be bothered to watch his son for one night and instead sent him to spend the night with his tormentor. What kind of parent knowingly sends their child to their bully’s house? What a crappy father, more concerned with his son not being a “wimpy girl”, instead of protecting his mental state!
OP, you are a great mom and not the AH. I really think you are right to be divorcing your husband because he in effect chooses his sister and nephew over the wellbeing of his son. You did the exact right thing calling CPS for your son, and maybe for his cousin too. Sounds to me like your SIL was already having emotional issues and was not functioning as an adult. She was very unstable, and you didn't cause that. She did all of this herself. I am glad that your nephew's father took his son and is going for custody. It sounds like the kids is on the way to having some major issues himself because of his mother and her lack of parenting skills. Good luck OP.
I don’t think the husband was right nor do I think the wife in this situation was completely right either. Mom seems like she does love her son very much but also seems like a helicopter mom for sure. Dad was trying to have the son face his problems but didn’t really consider all of the factors. He should have considered the state his sister was in after the break up and how she parents her own child and sending his own child overnight there was quite irresponsible but within his rights as a parent. I’m sure the poor kid is probably going to grow up and his father is going to be undermined and alienated by his mother even though I believe her intentions are positive it’s not going to serve him well in the long run. Fathers need to teach and temper their sons and mothers teach and nurture. I wish that Mom and Dad could come together and fix the issue.
The story is bogus. The police would not detain the husband & his sister over this because the husband at this point has as much right to make choices as the mother. There may be hints of truth here or there, but this story is so over the top.
YTA only because you said your son is "Just" a kid. He sees what's going on, but you're not explaining it to him..... do you have him in therapy yet, no? why not? He's going to be blaming himself for your marriage ending, for his dad going to jail. Everything from global warming to whatever is going to be his fault. 😢😢
How did op convince so many people that she is an advocate for protecting children but she threw another child into a foster home situation and then acts so backhanded that she didn't do anything to that other child in a eirse fashion than what kim did taking nate.
@@femboy__bunny how is her son 'abused?' She's the one that LIVES WITH HIM. Was she just not gonna watch her son in her own home in a room full of people on his own birthday!? We're all talking about how this kid is a bully but not about how he probably doesn't want to even be around the child who just keeps snitching on him over and over cause the bully doesn't even want to look at him or doesn't want to do anything but ignore him and roll his eyes at him now, the bully is still upset with him, the bully is not just gonna let bygones be bygones either. He's always gonna be reminding that kid that he's a cry baby and a snitch and that kids gonna run to mommy to tattal about being 'deeply abused and bullied again.' sounds like a cry baby over reaction and it over escalated that's not fair to the supposed kid that's a supposed bully cause it wasn't his idea to be pushed into this interaction with the kid who has a helicopter mom.
What op did was disgusting. The father was right. I was on OP’s side up until the point where she called CPS on her sister in law and filed criminal charges on her own husband. Then on top of that she wants to take a son away from his father with full custody. Why wouldn’t a guy want his nephew and his son to be friends. That’s not an unreasonable thing for a father to want. Second, why wouldn’t a guy want his son to toughen up. That boy will eventually have to into this world as a man. He’s going to have to deal with people he doesn’t like. His mother’s not going to be able to protect him from that.
@@30WallEra Oh so you think it’s okay for kids to bully each other to the point they panic? That’s not “manning up”. That’s abuse. Never have children, and if you do, I hope they leave the second they turn 18 because you’re a toxic POS
Unpopular opinion here, but OP could have had a family meeting about the nephews behavior and express concerns before just cutting off SIL and nephew like that. The kid needed intervention from family. That would have been my first step. That meeting would have included the boy's father. Kids goimg through divorce trauma sometimes need extra support and direction while their parents blow up their lives.
How would a family meeting help when irresponsible adults double down on their poor choices? Considering the blame game going on toward the protective mother it would just turn into a beat down and further abuse of the children. Not all families are good.
Op did the right thing. Kim sounds like a shit mother & was not doing right by her kid. If ur raising a bully u r doing something wrong. I hope op & Nate have a happy bully free life now.
OPs biggest bully was her husband, so clearly his sister's actions isn't a surprise. That family is toxic to have Nate around without supervision.
OP should save these texts and present them in court. Prove your husband does not have any empathy for his own child. Especially the part about your child being bullied, make him a girl. His way of thinking is a detriment to your child's wellbeing!
And her husband stating that his sister is unstable.
She got full custody
PS OP, sign Nate up for age appropriate self defence classes, to increase his self confidence.
And also if the bullying gets physical, to defend himself. Sounds like the whole family is toxic. Really bad parenting by the adults in that family. Dean sounds like a little monster.
This is the same kind of parent who’s going to wonder why his son doesn’t talk to him when he’s old
Yes. That is a very good prediction.
The ex husband's behaviour escalated quickly..
I am so happy you can live your life with your son and parents away from him and his family.
If a father can't even see his own son being hurt, how can he raise a man? Guess the poor son has 0 good male parent role model.
That is incorrect he has his grandfather it may not be a male parent but he is a male role model
It's not his. She always say my son, never ours
@@30WallEra She says her son because he doesn't act like a caring father
@@30WallErawhen he acts like a dad, then he can claim the kid. Other than that, he's not a daddy.
Sadly I wouldn't be too surprised if "daddy dearest" didn't put the nephew up to the bullying to "toughen" his kid up.
Hopefully that S.O.B. only gets supervised visits.
OP did the best thing by removing her son from the toxic dad and aunt. Kim lost her mind and OPs husband is just as bad as his sister. They should be blaming Kim for her actions not OP.
Sadly, I'm willing to bet that the ex-husband put them up to it. To "toughen" his kid up.
If Kim haqd those emotional issues, the wqhole family is the problem. They should have pushedbher to get help.
Having a tantrum that violent shows that she is at the very least temporarily unfit.
Glad OP protected her son to the fullest.
OP is a great mom! Good job protecting your child and you dodged a bullet .
Sending lots of love for OP and her child
Yeah, so great that she married the "touch" CHAD and brought a kid to this world with him.
Societies views of what's "great" and "bad" is so fucked up...
@@godnyx117i mean some times people dknt show their personality until marriage etc. Especially given how long their relationship was and that this is due to deans recent behaviour. The husband may not of shown his true colours until their was a reason for him to actively disagree with his wife
@@_Hollie_ I doubt. It's too convenient that it happens all the time. I have heard stories that it makes sense that they truly didn't know, but I don't know in that case. Your whole personality and way of thinking and facing a specific topic is something that cannot be hidden.
@@godnyx117 i mean id usually agree, but they were together for 9 years and have a 7 year old son. In that time frame youre constantly told that sometimes people grow apart and its just the ups and downs if marriage etc. Not mentioning that because the cousin wasnt an issue until recently they probably never had massive disagreements about their childs development.
From experience with my younger cousins you do have to give them a push sometimes, especially if they’re particularly cautious. Not saying you force it on them but she may of just seen any prior signs as him trying to make his son less hesitant to take risks (in context).
Yes this isnt a mindset that grows over night, but it can be well hidden by people until the rose coloured glasses come fully off. Given his families response as well i really wouldnt be surprised to learn theyd planted a lot of these ideas, again especially considering the cousins the same age and they always have been a bit rough with each-other. Its not like he was aggressive out of nowhere, the son and cousin have likely rough housed for years, after a certain point you do literally just have to let them get on with it and make sure no-one is severely injured. The cousin only more recently started getting more aggressive and essentially bullying the son. There we’re obviously signs but they arent easy to miss when you look into the context of it. The only time that it becomes glaringly obvious is when he insists they still interact after the cousin has become significantly more violent. But even then a reasonable parent isnt going to think their spouse is going to go full apes**t and do what the husband did.
@@_Hollie_ Thank you for your time and effort writing that. Seriously!
But it's not a pleasant topic for me to talk about for some personal reasons. I don't want to say anything as I don't think it's going to help neither you, me nor anyone else, and it will in general not offer anything to the conversation.
I wish you to have a beautiful day or night! 😊
RUN GIRL RUN!!!
Op‘s Ex was probably one of those people who expects there little kids to „man up“…. The kid is not even ten!
That is so sad :/
Bullying is traumatic and a boundary violation and should NOT be tolerated. Telling a bullying victim to "man up" is a form of abuse in itself.
there are certain balances on this. a father is there to help a little boy. learn to be stronger but not like this. My father taught me to push harder to try and do that extra push-up try to run just a little bit further. I wasn't able always to live up to his standard but there's one thing he always had for me if I tried my best. he was always satisfied even if it wasn't able to get as far as he would like. the fact that I was becoming better was what was the most important thing. Even if I was able to throw up all half an inch further or have it to where. I'm just a little bit better had something he taught me the value of hard work. on the other hand, I was horribly bullied at school. he taught me to stand up for myself but not to take it too far. I wasn't as physically capable as my father but deep down he never bullied me for it. he was there for me in every way he could he was tough on me but he was also there to comfort me. he always showed his appreciation for even the tiniest of improvements. and that is what a positive male role model should be someone who pushes you, but is equally there to celebrate all of your victories to console you in your losses and help you learn from them.
What are the police going to charge the sil and husband with? The father can legally arrange sleepovers.
Exactly. In addition, CPS does not work like that.
a lot of you are missing the fact that if one parent doesn’t allow it, CPS can become involved, esp if there is a pattern of abuse or bullying from one party.
@@femboy__bunnyno not how it works
@@femboy__bunnyI was a cop. No, the police & CPS can't be called for this. No law was broken whatsoever. 😅
@@femboy__bunny, no. Parents disagree about specifics of child rearing all the time, but you can't just call the police.
They are both this child's parents and have equal rights in the eye of the law.
She would have to go to court and get a judge to put a temporary restraining order against the sil before she would be able to call anyone about it. Even then police would likely tell her it's a civil matter and there is nothing they can do.
No police is going to arrest a custodial father for letting their child have a sleep over with a cousin.
How can avoiding rude, obnoxious, or hateful people be considered acting like a baby or running away?!? That's just common sense. Guess that makes everyone a baby! Your ex-husband is one of the biggest AH ever. Obviously, he doesn't care about the mental or physical welfare of his own child. What if his son had been in the living room, he could have been extremely hurt!
Sorry for the son,hope he can make it in this unfair world.its tough outside.
Get the kid out of that school after the divorce.
I hate to say this, und I so hope that I am wrong. But given the OP's ex-husband's attitude, the ex-sister-in-law's attitude. I sadly wouldn't be too surprised if the ex-husband didn't put his nephew up to bullying his own son.
OP is a POS. Nate isn’t her son. Nate is her and her husband’s son. He has every right to have that kid around anyone he wants. He’s a dick, sure, but CPS would never have done a single thing once they learned the father approved of the aunt picking up Nate.
Agree that the father can give permission to the aunt to take Nate, but OP can send her parents over there to get her son with the cops and get him. OP could tell them the school separated the kids and Nate would also say he did not want to be there. Parents do not have the right to have anyone they want around their kids. You can't have them around deranged people. In no way is OP a POS but her ex sure is.
I really REALLY hope they got the restraining order against that whole family....
I see a lot of comments saying that’s not how CPS works but in the US, in California if I call 911 and a child is being abused, they have to do a welfare check, since the little boy had been crying he definitely showed signs of distress and as soon as he said he was sent to bed without dinner, that is considered abuse. The phone call from the mother, along with that kid crying condition, of course they will remove the child and the present adult (sister) will have a case opened against her because I’m sure she’s the one who said she sent him to bed without no dinner. I know sending kids to bed without dinner is an old school punishment but still considering abuse. Any social worker can pick out all the wrong action the father did and his sister.
op you did the right thing by removing your son form your toxic ex husband and sister-in-law after they lost their mind and his cousin is not nice at all and he is a bully . I hope he gets some help that he needs
If you had taken her son behind her back, she would have called the cops on you too.
You did the right thing.
Your husband messed up big time and is still messing up by not making an effort to see the son.
When he did come around, he sealed his fate with that horrible drunken incident.
You dodged many bullets with this toxic family.
What a nightmare.
Only a narcissistic and sadist parent could enjoy and justify this..and saying that kim is "unstable" at that moment, yet allowing an unstable person to take your kid to a place and company he is terrified of! Pathetic
Pressed charges for what?!?! The Kid's father can say whether or not to have a sleepover.... granted this was stupid but it's not illegal as the boy wasn't hurt.
Great job mommie bear!!!!!!!
It’s Nate’s birthday. If he does not want someone there they need to deal with it. Kim needs to handle her son better and get him help.
Sounds like Kim was being derelict in her duties as Dean's mother.
Op husband should be ashame of himself for going along with his entitled sister and his bully of a nephew
Op forgets the father can also give permission to do things. But that father was in the wrong after that. He only cared about his sister and his family. He clearly didn't like his son. Also you know he sent his son over there so he wouldn't have to take care of him for one night.
With how he acted, it's clear there are alot of toxic things going in that family. My guess they repress everything. Sister was probably the golden child everyone protected. I wonder if his mom was at that drunken party. If she was she would know this would happen.
It's going to be funny because that will now pop up anytime someone dose a background check. He hasn't learned anything and the drama will probably start up again when sister gets out.
Yes, the father can give permission, but at the same time, thanks to the prior situation at the school, the fathers permission is also something that would hurt him in court.
The school transferring the kid to a different class means that bullying did happen, and that tends to be recorded. That tends to list the fathers sister's home and her son as potentials for domestic abuse along with a known problem to prevent bullying situations to continue when school gets out if there is more to the bullying than just in class issues, such as out of school ambushes that might be even more violent.
In that situation, it's the father putting him in a situation with someone he knew had abused him, both according to his wife and the school authorities...meaning that while he can do it, it's something that could add him as another defendant in any legal case that ensues. It's also considered child abuse in and of itself, same as you sending your kid to the uncle that you know has beaten him before...it isn't going to end well for you there.
CPS involvement also tends to be automatic so things go from there...
@AzraelThanatos yup and helped show op that divorce was the only way. But the fact that op thought only her permission could be given for things shows she didn't understand the dad had rights. Thankfully he doesn't have those anymore. I'm surprised she hadn't seen his toxic side before now.
Story 1: Wow this woman is superb divorce that weirdo....
I don’t know if anyone else is getting a weird vibe about the sister-in-law Kim’s ex boyfriend. What were the reasons they broke up? Did the ex-boyfriend do something Physically/sexually abusive to Dean? From what I get from the story is that Dean’s behavior seems to have changed before the break up and he is taking things out on his cousin. I also think that Nate‘s father’s willingness to allow his nephew to bully his son is his way of making sure his son is a “real man” in case some kind of abuse occurred between the boys. I wish OP and her son all the best and that they are able to live their best lives.
I was thinking the ex-boyfriend left a bit before the behaviors started with Dean. If so, it could mean he was a stabilizing influence on the boy. Kim didn't seem to want to actually parent her child.
It could have been jealousy that Nate still had his dad at home and Dean didn't. It's also possible the ex-boyfriend was the one who handled the discipline while Kim was the "fun parent".
It could be a mixture jealousy that he still had a father combined with the fact that Kim might actually be abusing him. after all. she did do violent things when she didn't get her way
Dean was probably acting out because Kim was unstable. The ex taking Dean should have happened sooner.
This story makes zero sense. No way an aunt and father would be arrested for letting their kids have a sleepover. A father has equal rights. Nor I going to bed without dinner once abuse.
Agree up to the withholding food as punishment part, that is abuse.
The law doesn’t work like that. This isn’t real.
Exactly
The law isn't the same in every country. ;)
Girl tell the son that it was the father ,so he could decide for his own safety
Heroes of this story are OP, her parents, Dean’s father (the ex boyfriend) and CPS.
I would like a followup with how Dean did after his father got custody. Maybe he got so much better he apologizes to Nate and they become friends again. Neither Kim or OP's husband should ever have anything but supervised visitation and they can pay child support.
Drunk driving & property damage is not a joke.
well the husband screwed whatever chances he had by throwing that pot through the window to break it. that and possibly breaking other laws such as driving under the influence, risking other people lives while driving drunk, and im also suprised the family didnt get any recusssions since they conspiredin the idea to go to o.p's parents house and mess with her. It would probably be best to get a restraining order on whats left of the family, and make sure the school knows that only o.p and her own parents are the only ones who can pick him up from school. incase her ex inlaws or any of that crazy family does something stupid, especially since they encouraged their own son to go and mess with his soon to be ex wife a day before the ir first meeting to settle things
She needs to tell her son. Hiding things which he knows about already is for her benefit not his. She’s a bit cowardly.
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So, according to him, physical/mental abuses are what makes a man? Delusional.
I have said it so many times, no-one is going to care about your child more than their mother. Kids are only special to their mother. Nobody will stand up for your child like you. Nobody is going to protect your child like you. Nobody will fight for their child like a mother. I bet that poor boy is so let down by his father.
OPs divorce better be soon.
1. OP really had a husband problem. She did the right thing in ending that relationship. OP has plenty of ammunition to deny her ex custody and expose her son to his father's family.
She needs to tell Harry, that he is at fault for allowing his unstable sister, Kim, to take Nate home with her. And then when told by His wife, OP, he should have gone and retrieved his son from his unstable sister, Kim. and then when her ex decided that Kim wasn't parenting right and demanded custody after her episode of child abuse, she went off the deep end, for which he is to blame.
Good for you OP. You are dealing with a lot of primitive natives. Keep up the good work.
I remember a woman who was going all around the state I live in ( Illinois USA) as a speaker. Talking about bullying. Parental bullying, bullying from family members. She shared her experience. She has a son. Her husband didn’t really care. But oh. His older sister has a son 2 years older. Well. Husband cared more about his nephew than his own son.
There was a birthday sleepover. Just the 2 boys to camp in the living room. I guess it was raining and backyard is a no go. Well the nephew caused so much trouble. Literally beat his younger cousin with a baseball bat. Causing so many injuries. Head, face, nose, ear, knees, ribs. Leg. Toes… from what the mother said. The nephew put his cousin in critical condition. The mother’s husband? Did nothing! Nothing. Told his own son to stop faking and to grow up.
His brother in law was away on a business trip so he wasn’t aware until after he returned.
The husband returned from the sleepover. Claiming he grounded his son for being a baby. The mother explained she rushed him to the hospital. Daddy dearest never came to the hospital. Mother’s family did. Brother in law was furious. Divorced his wife. Daddy took his sister’s side and his nephew. His father in law, brother in law, and best friend all sat him down and forced him to watch a video. The brother in law suspected his wife cheated. Nope. The cameras around his house caught all the bullying and the horrible beating. All of a sudden dad doesn’t want to watch the video. They made him watch. Any time he looked away, they made him keep watching. He watched that video for 4 hours. When it was finished, they made him watch it again until he really understood. Seeing the boy’s injuries just from photos. She played part of the video… it’s the worst thing i ever saw. I couldn’t believe it. The dad sat there doing nothing while his son took a baseball bat to the nose. His nose. He was on the ground and getting the bat to his knees and ribs. That dad just sat there. Saying nothing. My wife sat next to me. Most of the people watching were angry or crying.
His father in law grabbed him. Took him to the hospital and said “ here’s your son! Be a damn father “
Daddy dearest saw his son laying there with so many machines and wires. Reality slowly started to set in.
Father in law said “ do you see your son? Take a good look at him! You sat there as this happened! You did nothing. But you defended the person that did this! Are you dumb? Stupid? Or a just a jerk. You’re a horrible father. “
The mom explained that when her dad took her husband back home, he was greeted with divorce papers hanging on the front door. As well as papers for the sister in law plus a restraining order. Reality fully set in. Dad wasn’t so tough anymore.
She teaches awareness for bullying.
If anyone bullies my step son. Guess what. You deal with me. I don’t care what a person says to get out of it.
I don't believe this story. Why did the husband get in trouble? It's his son. He has rights, too.
Poor kid, all this over nothing.
YATAH
OP's husband gave Op gold when he admitted in a text that his sister was unstable. That will help OP in her case to get full custody of her son. She just has to have her attorney submit that text in court. Her husband knowingly let an unstable woman take their child to her home where there was an out of control child. OP should also provide the ex a copy of that email for his custody case.
NTA OP. Kim's behaviour was her own choice and not your fault, just as her refusal to acknowledge her son's bullying behavior towards your son was her fault. I can well understand your wanting to be away from your husband. Even though he had heard many times about how your son was treated by his cousin and his sister, he was still prepared to subject his son to being alone in that household with a good chance of becoming distressed and with noone to protect him. His own father, your husband, was willing to let his son be abused by his sister because you were not there to protect him. Not feeding a child in your care is abuse and there can be no argument against that. If the child's own father will not protect his son from that treatment, then he is not an asset to the family unit.
Its really sad that adults cant move on from their own parents or siblings. Im not talking about cutting them off, but once you have an SO, they need to be second priority, not all the time, but they cant always come first because your priorities should have shifted
The other child parent didn't see her child having any major problems, neither did OP's hubby, neither did, any of the other kids parents boycott them at parties, not did the school until Supermom demanded her son switch classes.
Kids squabble, fall out, make up, fight, hug, form groups and turn on each other, switch group allegiances, make up again and invite each other for sleepovers all in one afternoon.
Supermom overreacting causes the other mother to have police and cps involvement, right in the middle of a divorce, then wonders why the stress of it made her flip.
Maybe. MAYBE this other kid was genuinely a bully and OP was the only one to notice, in which case, she was right in what she did... but this account of events doesn't ring right, to me.
Nowhere in the story did it say Dean was invited to other parties and the school would not inform OP if any other parent had problems with him. You think it is OK for Kim to get Nate and decide to withhold food as punishment, for what? His objection to them bad mouthing his mother? You really think it is OP's fault Kim smashed up her own house? I'd say OP was proven right.
You know she's unstable!
So do you hubs. So WHY do you think she'd be able to take care of kids?
I’ve noticed one thing about OP. The only person I hear references to aside from the child is …”me, I, myself “. Not impressed. I feel sorry for her son. His life with her is going to be tough.
She refers to herself because she is telling the story. It is first person narrative, and not an indication of how she is as a person.
This story is BS. The cops would say this is a domestic dispute and tell her to get a lawyer. No crime was committed, just a dad letting his son (even if he was his stepson) go to a family members house. This woman got burned in the divorce and is talking crap.
nah fam. A child going to someone’s house is a two yes one no dispute and CPS will get involved since it’s considered a kidnapping case. I was in a similar situation as a child.
If he was being bullied to the point where he was taken out of his class and placed in another one it’s bad.
Say you don’t understand how the real world works without saying it
@@femboy__bunny Once the school did that, the father handing the kid over shifts from domestic dispute to child abuse mess. The school reports the heavier bullying cases, or are, at least, supposed to do so with things because it's often a situation where some bullies then target out of school. Being related there is something that expands it even more with the situation with involvement. Add in mandated reporters and you have a messy situation.
And the situation evolves, legally, from the father letting his son/stepson go to a family members house into one of giving him to someone known to abuse him there...which involves the cops, and since it involves kids, CPS as well
So OP’s soon to be ex admits in a text that his sister is mentally unstable. Put that together with the fact that he met her take OP’s son pretty much gives OP game, match, over in the pending custody case. He total breakdown will give her ex a slam dunk custody case as well.
Husband blaming OP because she called CPS on SIL because she knew “she was unstable” and so OPs somehow at fault for SIL freaking out and injuring herself. He sent their precious son with an unstable woman just because of “family”. Sick.
The mother is not parenting your child the victim of her son he being used as a punch bag your husband disgusted me by not talking to his sister and allowing your son his boy to suffer you did the right thing for both kids
The part I don’t understand is Kim and the ex broke when Dean was a year old and they now coparent. How is it a recent breakup if Dean is now 7 years old? Did Kim think they were still together until he was no longer co parenting amicably? Because that happened 6 months prior so Dean was 6.5. If that’s the timeline then Kim has needed help for 6 years and didn’t get it. Now ex has seen a viable reason to get sole custody of his son. How much do you want to bet he saw behavior that wasn’t acceptable which is why they “broke up recently”? Looks like Kim is getting the help she needs and Dean will too. He’s been acting out which is probably his way of asking for help. Kim’s family was broken long before now.
The OP and her son is supposed to be the ex husband's family that he is supposed to protect
Everyone calls out the husband for been the classic "touch guy" asshole he is but why isn't anyone calling out the mother for marrying this asshole and making kids with him?
So many cases about women wanting to protect their "little babies" and not have them face any hardenship but they would NEVER be with a "kind and sweet" man themselves. Absolutely hypocrisy from the mother's part.
MillenniaThinker has a video in a similar story (tho a little bit different but the point about the mother consists).
Both parents are completely garbage and I feel bad for the poor kid!
Umm Kim was the husband's cousin. Why does everyone think that was his sister?😂😂😂😂
It sounds like the father knew that his sister was unstable at the moment from the way he said it was OP's fault. his word choice about how she might have known that the sister was unstable if they both knew she was on the stable and the father sent his son to the house of someone he knew was unstable. that's not boys will be boys. that's father will hand someone over to be harmed on purpose
Cameras and doorbell camera
I don't get the police involvement here. Not on the husband's or Kim's side, but as the dad, OP's husband did not do anything illegal by sending his son to a sleepover. It was an awful awful choice, but technically not illegal.
Because you need both parents on board for it. It’s why when parents are divorced you need to sign off on taking your kid out of state or out of the country.
Sending the kid into a known abusive situation is, legally, also under child abuse...and, potentially, felony accomplice as well
@@AzraelThanatosAbuse? All I see is overprotective Karen mom.
@@ninanotzon6872 Most schools aren't going to shuffle kids around just due to an overprotective parent, something major had to be going for that to happen there. Once that happens, the rest kind of follows it
--- I think Kim's ex boyfriend did something inappropriate to Dean. This child's behavior changed, she's detached and his dad is acting weird. Your husband is a tool, but charges can't be pressed because he's also a legal and didn't need any approval to take Nate anywhere. OP's husband and his sister are flying monkeys and along with clueless family are on the crazy train. Husband and his family were really stupid to come up with a "prank" the night before mediation. OP's only regret should be is it took nearly 10 years that her husband and his family's craziness to reveal itself. Thankfully Dean's father got him off that crazy train and hopefully finds out if anything untoward happened to him.
This is not real.
No law was broken. The father has just as much decision making as the mother.
The father does not have the right to subject his kid to child endangerment. The school separated the kids due to Dean's bullying, and the father sends him to his bully when the mother's back is turned? The aunt not feeding him as punishment and Nate crying and not wanting to stay there? They would give Nate to the grandparents. Because OP is the mother, she has rights and evidence her sin is in danger. The cops would ask the dad why he would send his kid to his school bully. There is no answer for that.
Not gonna lie, respect OP for defending her son, but I am of the belief that the son gotta learn to fight back, life is not gonna be nice to him if he cant stand up for himself
What would the do jail time for since none of his AH acts were felonies. I don’t disagree with OP but in 9 years you are telling me everything was fine, then this. This had to be building up for quite some time. Lots of missing information. One sided and convenient. But NTA.
Not defending the father or aunt at all, but how could the police legally arrest a father just for letting his son go to his own sister's house?
I believe that cops would laugh at that.
When it comes to letting elementary school kids go to someone's hows it's 2 yes 1 no and Nate didn't want to go, so this was a case of forcing a 7 year old to go somewhere against his will. The sorry excuse for a father didn't 'let' him go he 'made' him go. There's a huge difference.
Umm some people see the bigger picture. I think she should at least talk to her
OP, your husband and his sister are horrible! WTF!
Don't pay attention to their gas lighting.
I hope you and your son are doing well.
I swear the only time a dad fights tooth and nail for custody is so they don't have to pay child support. He wants custody but can't even come to visit his son
Yea, I would stress in court that he couldn’t even be bothered to watch his son for one night and instead sent him to spend the night with his tormentor. What kind of parent knowingly sends their child to their bully’s house? What a crappy father, more concerned with his son not being a “wimpy girl”, instead of protecting his mental state!
OP, you are a great mom and not the AH. I really think you are right to be divorcing your husband because he in effect chooses his sister and nephew over the wellbeing of his son. You did the exact right thing calling CPS for your son, and maybe for his cousin too. Sounds to me like your SIL was already having emotional issues and was not functioning as an adult. She was very unstable, and you didn't cause that. She did all of this herself. I am glad that your nephew's father took his son and is going for custody. It sounds like the kids is on the way to having some major issues himself because of his mother and her lack of parenting skills. Good luck OP.
Thabk god Nate has a good dad
I don’t think the husband was right nor do I think the wife in this situation was completely right either. Mom seems like she does love her son very much but also seems like a helicopter mom for sure. Dad was trying to have the son face his problems but didn’t really consider all of the factors. He should have considered the state his sister was in after the break up and how she parents her own child and sending his own child overnight there was quite irresponsible but within his rights as a parent. I’m sure the poor kid is probably going to grow up and his father is going to be undermined and alienated by his mother even though I believe her intentions are positive it’s not going to serve him well in the long run. Fathers need to teach and temper their sons and mothers teach and nurture. I wish that Mom and Dad could come together and fix the issue.
The story is bogus. The police would not detain the husband & his sister over this because the husband at this point has as much right to make choices as the mother. There may be hints of truth here or there, but this story is so over the top.
It's your fault for knowing him was unstable right now. What the what! So what you're saying is you sent a child over to unstable woman's house
Hah-nuke-ku 😂😂
"Hahnuuker"? Srsly?
YTA only because you said your son is "Just" a kid. He sees what's going on, but you're not explaining it to him..... do you have him in therapy yet, no? why not? He's going to be blaming himself for your marriage ending, for his dad going to jail. Everything from global warming to whatever is going to be his fault. 😢😢
Everyone is the a hole in this story,OP is a little less but she could have done things a little differently.
What country do you live in that the mother has all the rights and the father zero?
America
Just keep repeating Kim injured herself
Hanukkah is pronounced Han-uh-kah
How did op convince so many people that she is an advocate for protecting children but she threw another child into a foster home situation and then acts so backhanded that she didn't do anything to that other child in a eirse fashion than what kim did taking nate.
What is she supposed to do? Let her son be abused???
Didn't her nephew's father take him?
Even if the kid did end up in the system it's better then being in a home with a mentally unstable person.
What kid ended up in a foster situation, the other kid ended up with his father as well because his mother was just as crazy there
@@femboy__bunny how is her son 'abused?' She's the one that LIVES WITH HIM. Was she just not gonna watch her son in her own home in a room full of people on his own birthday!?
We're all talking about how this kid is a bully but not about how he probably doesn't want to even be around the child who just keeps snitching on him over and over cause the bully doesn't even want to look at him or doesn't want to do anything but ignore him and roll his eyes at him now, the bully is still upset with him, the bully is not just gonna let bygones be bygones either. He's always gonna be reminding that kid that he's a cry baby and a snitch and that kids gonna run to mommy to tattal about being 'deeply abused and bullied again.' sounds like a cry baby over reaction and it over escalated that's not fair to the supposed kid that's a supposed bully cause it wasn't his idea to be pushed into this interaction with the kid who has a helicopter mom.
How did they get arrested. Husband has the legal right to give permission for a sleep over. He's a dick but i feel this is sus.
Hey congratulations you are now officially raising a son husband.
When your son finds out bye-bye, mommy. Lol
So protecting her son from physical and emotional bullying is a bad thing? Hope you never have kids
Please never have children
What op did was disgusting. The father was right. I was on OP’s side up until the point where she called CPS on her sister in law and filed criminal charges on her own husband. Then on top of that she wants to take a son away from his father with full custody.
Why wouldn’t a guy want his nephew and his son to be friends. That’s not an unreasonable thing for a father to want. Second, why wouldn’t a guy want his son to toughen up. That boy will eventually have to into this world as a man. He’s going to have to deal with people he doesn’t like. His mother’s not going to be able to protect him from that.
The op is in the wrong she coddle her son and called CPS for one night not being there I understand she didn't trust his sister
The moment that my wife would say: my son. The moment I would say: since it's yours, you better get a job and provide for him because I'm out
It's her son the second her ex neglected his well being for the feelings of his sister
cool bc that shows you don’t actually care, they’re better off without you
@@LovesGaming37 because he wanted to raise man not a snowflake. I agree with him. Statistically, 60% of suicides come from a single mother's home
@@30WallEra Oh so you think it’s okay for kids to bully each other to the point they panic? That’s not “manning up”. That’s abuse. Never have children, and if you do, I hope they leave the second they turn 18 because you’re a toxic POS
Unpopular opinion here, but OP could have had a family meeting about the nephews behavior and express concerns before just cutting off SIL and nephew like that. The kid needed intervention from family. That would have been my first step. That meeting would have included the boy's father. Kids goimg through divorce trauma sometimes need extra support and direction while their parents blow up their lives.
How would a family meeting help when irresponsible adults double down on their poor choices? Considering the blame game going on toward the protective mother it would just turn into a beat down and further abuse of the children.
Not all families are good.
That isn't her responsibility. The responsibility on the SIL
With the family that encouraged her ex husband to throw a plant vase through the window?
Op did the right thing. Kim sounds like a shit mother & was not doing right by her kid. If ur raising a bully u r doing something wrong. I hope op & Nate have a happy bully free life now.