2 Ways to Live on off grid land without planning permission! How to Live on Agricultural land!
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- Iv done alot of reading/ research on council guidelines and Paid for the consultants and planning advisors for our planning permissons here at the farm which has given me a good amount of knowledge for those people out there who dont want to do things legitimately and spend the money on a massive amount of council and advisor fees like i had too.
I wouldnt advise doing things without permission but hope this video helps with ideas if yo do want to try.
here's the video on how I got legit proper planning permissions for things at the farm and how you could too.
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Where I live the council just granted permission to build 100s of new homes on farmland for a development company. The farmland has rare and endangered species on it. Compare this situation to a lone person or family who just wants to just live on their land low impact. The whole thing is completely rigged it’s disgusting.
hence developers giving millions to the tories in 'donations'
Yep, you are so right, and we would benefit more as a nation if people lived this way it would be less pollution made and less strain on the already fragile infra structure in England.
That's witness to the Power of the Brown Envelopes
It is all a matter of being or dealing with Brothers, as to how the council will deal with you. The big company developers will be and dealt with accordingly.
@@yetidodger6650not just tories we’ve a historic Labour council for many years and the amount of developers getting projects mysteriously approved is off the scale, one massive building even got built with out planning, when a local community group made a public enquiry they gave them retrospective building permission, jeez these people are as corrupt as it goes.
I bought a 12 acre site in 2003 & had to get full pp to build my barn as it was below permitted development size. I put a bedsit in the roofspace, then a local farmer dobbed me in. Enforcement came every so often and said they suspect I'm living onsite and must cease, but never sent eviction or 'cease and desist' notices. Eventually I (with help?) slipped to the back of the filing cabinet and didn't get another visit for 6 years. Then the officer suggested I apply for lawful tenure under the Four Year Rule, and I was in! Bloody nightmare of years of uncertainty though. The irony is that I found a map of my land in an archive where it was measured in rods & chains to two decimal places, and I've and extra 2 acres coz a lot of it's steep banks.
My land was part of the primarily livestock 'green desert' around here. Now it's 14 acres of woodland, willow and orchards, heaving with wildlife. It's NEVER returning to conventional agriculture.
Brilliant
Niall well done you! That's incredible and something I would love to have done
Love this ❤
I’m on a mission to find somewhere in the U.K. there’s likely to be land becoming available during this current recession and rewildiing era.
Well done you
@Kellycreator we should be neighbours with our malis 😂😂
Hi, Southern Ireland... I am a retired carpenter. Acquired a small piece of rural land in the middle of an unpleasant man's farm. It had a registered access road. I moved into a mobile home and moved in with my wife & 10 yp daughter. They built a 49-square-meter workshop. Now I can have electricity installed. No place for a septic tank soak away. So I put a holding tank... with some holes in it !!! 3 years later I have 5 glamping pods. The workshop is a restaurant & bar for guests and my neighbor is having kittens. The council have even offered me an 80% grant to have a water well drilled. I have no formal permission for any structure. I live in my 3 bedroom timber house with my family. The State school bus comes to get my daughter for school.
I'm in ireland also. Which part are u in?
Well done fella. You're living my dream. 😀
I'm in Kilkenny, where are u
I'd luv advice .I have 5 acres of agricultural land
Caroline Jenkinstown house
@@davidjmrussell5497 .I'm in Kilkenny .I have 5 acres of agricultural. Land.I'd love advice , Caroline Jenkinstown
@@davidjmrussell5497 Kilkenny
The fact that they can even tell you to leave YOUR own land just goes to show what kind of "FREE" society you live in.
this isnt the wild west mate, cant have people doing whatever they want.
@@toddberkely6791Erm. It is. And you can. Lawful is not legal. You have rights but must know them to have them. 👍🏻 Know your rights?
Can't. It's unlawful. No contract.
@@diaryofadeadtattooist it isnt, its 21st century england.
@@toddberkely6791 ignorance is no defence in law mate. UK is a foreign jurisdiction that's why you can drive in Europe on your licence. It's a corporation. A business. Nothing to do with the law. Rights to travel means no licence /mot /tax or insurance. Putting your land into a private trust removes it from uk jurisdiction and places it in equity. Can't touch it. No capital gains tax just like the rich. Just don't register it otherwise you've just given up your rights in exchange for usage
Great info. Been there, done that. Layed a yard on 30 acres, then rolled in an 18ft trailer home. Enforcement appeared within a month. I put in a retrospective planning app. The whole process took 3 years to win at appeal. In that time we had established a heard of pigs. 2 boar's and 6 sows. A flock of laying hens and a market garden area. The direct neighbors are hostile mostly. I tried making friends, but they are bitter about our existence here. I just have to live with that.
People just hate change/ people doing things differently 😒
People are programmed to only look for rainbows and sunshine. If you pop their bubble of what reality really looks like they throw fits. its not your fault.
Sadly I am dreading the same from a potential land we have visited and put an offer in for, I don't think the neighbours will like what we are planning on doing, we are taking business approach to our farm lifestyle, and I am not afraid of confrontation, nor do I back down. I am use to it, and use to winning everytime! As long as I play by the book I couldn't careless, if they don't want to be nice that's their loss.
Same with us, we only have 3 acres and they want static removed even though we are farming there
Some kids grow up not being able to share their toys. And in this case, some people think that because they have their sand castle that nobody else in the same town is allowed to be in their space.
I think this is why people make trouble for others. Simply, they grow up not sharing, not being able to cooperate with others.
This guy's so chill he must be the bane of the local authority with his swagger and cool headed objective approach 😂
But now 1000’s of people know exactly what he’s up to. Don’t think the sunglasses will be good enough disguise!
id say he breaks their hearts, brilliant comment 😂😂😂
@@Mezman999 how do we know for certain that this isn't just one of his many personas? He's a modern-day Reginald Perrin
Shhhhhh lol 😂
I love the explanation 😁... Cool 😎
I built a pigeon hut on a bit of land that I don’t own it’s been up for 19 years the council came told me they would be pulling it down but because it’s been up so long they need to take me to court for that was about 10 years ago it’s still going strong 💪
Hell yeah, fight the pigs with pigeon power. I approve 👌
I don’t get it. Why would a council even bother to contact you about an illegal structure on someone else’s property?
There’s clearly more to this
Council land
@@GrumpyGarry121 yep and therefore publicly owned land😁
You have a claim for adverse possession. It might not mean you own the land but you get to keep doing what you have been doing if nobody has complained after 10 years
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Lived in a caravan in Citalgarth near Bala for nearly a year, never slept so soundly ever, would love to go back.
I drove into London last weekend. Not been there for a while. The amount of tower block monstrosities going up shocked me and you have to jump through hoops and loopholes to live in a cosy shed minding your own business!
Tower blocks = major developer = tory donor.
Living in a little shed doesn't pay into their system. Basically you don't toe the line!
Oh and my shed is called my little favela
They can't control you when your out the loop 🤪. They like to control people hence they us living like sardines
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I love this ideal. One official I heard about, advised a resident to build a storage building to get around restrictions. He simply parked his rv in the building. No questions asked.
😂😅🤣👍🍻🥃
Rule 1) tell NOBODY , Rule 2) Make sure your home is concealed well enough. I knew a guy who lived in a barn with 2 static caravans for years. No hassle . . It was surprisingly a good setup. Solar on the roof and hay around the outer edges of the barn to help keep heat and keep noises down. He bought the 4 acres and barn for the price of his damp 2 bed victorian terraced house . He kept chickens there and dogs, dogs acted like an early warning system he had concealed CCTV so he knew if folk were prowling about .
It's crazy how corrupt the government is, yet the biggest threat to your family is still your neighbours 💀
Just a point about this - it has to be naturally concealed e.g not behind stacked haybales or truck trailers. so trees and bushes are fine
Good on him
A chap called Fiddler built a castle behind hay bales. Concealment failed to buy him the time he needed.
too many doing this though and countryside gettin way over developed sadlky. but of course i understand the want . the big problem is the floods of imigration really
I like how he speaks very quietly, as if someone might overhear this sneaky-sneak advice.
They did! The piglets and flappy bird!
Everybody needs a friend like this .
The more people that grow a backbone and see it as their birth right to do whatever they want with land, the easier it will become for all.
Your so bleeding right it hurts
Building a shelter for yourself on your own land out to be a basic human right. Not a privilege you have to pay and grovel for.
@@peterolley7159 hes so wrong it hurts! the more people that move onto land and "play the system" the more tightened the system gets,the concealment law got brought in due to someone hiding their house behind hay,the 4 year rule is probably going, its being debated in parliament atm and councils get worse not better,I personally know of 3 recent suicides due to council evictions off land and 2 men in prison,
There's also the mehod I use which is 1. Remove all implied access to the land. 2. Never give your name. 3. When they write to you ask them how they obtained jurisdiction over you since they are a corporation. There's a whole lot of additional supporting questions, too many to go into here, but it stops them dead in their tracks. It's worked for just coming up to 8 years for me.
I’m lost and need advice
I only have 30k but need land given my nightmare situation. What do you suggest ? A woodlands or land and what size ?
My motto has always been ' what they cant see they cant grieve over ' soon as you buy land plant trees to hide anything you want to do . Keep that in mind when buying .
Not true their is specific planning legislation that covers concealed development. A lot of what is only correct to this interpretation, seen lots refused and enforced at developers cost at authorities I have worked.
@@theacoustician6741Not talking developements just nosy neighbours they usually report to the council if they can see what might be a slight infringment , or
you wanting to build a bund around a dung heap for example you missed the point .
@@PaulGreenwald I get what you are saying but my job for the last 38 years has been dealing with planning and environmental health issues, I've given evidence at enough court cases and planning enquiries to know that its best to fully understand the national planning policy guidance and planning practice guidance plus any local policies before chancing what might be a very costly process. I'm not only an expert witness on acoustics I cover many environmental aspects from simple extensions to national infrastructure projects.
@@theacoustician6741 You have to know how to game the system as discussed in this video and to game the system you have to understand the system as you rightly point out.
Some bloke tried that with hay bales. He lost.
Championing people’s rights and teaching how to use the system. Great video. Keep em coming.
Imagine living in the UK and believing that you have freedom?
Compared to where?
@@peterjackson1212 Land of the Free of course, ha ha.
@@peterjackson1212 many countries in Europe, people are free to do what they want on their own land.
@@GBPaddling I'd agree with Europe but America 😬😬😬 nah
@@peterjackson1212 I was being extremely sarcastic stating Land of the Free, I know they are anything but that. No Country is totally free, I am not stupid, and I would love to live somewhere that is freer than the UK, it is getting unbearable.
It's so sad that one has to go through all that for just living on their own land! And we call this a civilised system/country! I hope your tips would help a lot of people break this broken system.
My motto has always been "it is easier to do it and appologise afterwards than it is to ask for permission in the first place".
@forest Gump who ever asked permission to fart and got it?
It’ll be a forced tear down
@@mrvanderson7937 - And possibly an expensive tear down.
why apologise, just bombard them with nonsense, works every time.
do you have that motto for dating as well? lol
Ive watched people ask about "how to legally do the tiny house thing" for over a decade with the same answers leading to most people never going through with their dream and right to affordable shelter. My attitude is its just to easy for council to say no but if you've already built something and living in it then its a much bigger task for them. Let them do all the work to try and get you out while you relax in your home for X amount of time. Make what ever you build easy to move also of course :)
This is why I want to move from England to Alaska. It’s so remote that the authorities can’t be arsed with petty planning permits!
But what can you grow in Alaska? 🤔 … that’s an extreme move 😅
@@Bluebell117 reindeer 😂
That’s what I’m thinking of.
@@Bluebell117 that wife on life below zero who always talked about the bear started growing a few things with hydroponics NFT systems I thini
Local establishments are tricky. Councils can & do rule in their favour. If you find your self facing stiff opposition, the council will free up the funds to fight you.
Land owners can over turn permissive bridle ways back into non trespass private roads. Likewise, common land can still be legally de-registered. Just be aware of this!
That’s why it’s good advice to try to win over your neighbours. Also rule of thumb, if you’re gonna play the system, don’t get bogged down with clear plot boundaries. It shows good will to allow some leeway!
Hedges rather than fencing gives barns & caravans credibility! Your neighbours can’t trump the esthetic card, if you’re prepared to invest money in either a Green wall or some quality cladding.
It’s all about creating the least amount of impact for anyone to object.
I wouldn’t advise leaving open construction sites for years on end. It won’t win you any friends!
Try to assimilate with the local community. They can’t hate you for ever if you’re somehow contributing. Offering your skills to the local parish is always a smart option. Those places are always in need of repairs or local help. Don’t offer to much help at once. Be consistent 😅😉
Brilliant piece of advice there! Thank you.
A bright lad who probably takes no crap. Fine upload. Cheers from Cornwall.
Love this, we’ve converted a barn on my mums smallholding and my brother is now living there, neighbours were key.
Can you tell me more plz?was it always the intention to convert when you bought the land/building?what were the loopholes, if any?tia
I had a friend who did the semi legal way and basically got his kids in a local school and this triggered the local council to back off and review in 5 years
Always answer their questions with another question.
great video, the best thing anyone can do once they buy land is to get a caravan on it straight the way, they cant argue if its only used for daytime use, when we bought our farm it already had an old static on site which really helped because people were already used to a caravan being there and we then combined that with the looking after livestock reasoning to finally
get permission to live here
Make charcoal, its illegal to leave it unattended while active, have 3 or 4 batches in rotation all the time, if you need to leave it just have someone watching over it. Decent business aswell.
That sounds a bit impossible for a single person to continuously have several kilns on the go and to still have time to source wood without completely felling what woodland one has, but I wonder if one could legitimise having tree surgeons offload their waste wood on your land by buying it from them for £1 a load to then turn into charcoal? Tricky part of that idea would be storing awkward shaped 'arb logs', and perhaps paying a pound a load wouldn't negate the requirement to register as a waste transfer or disposal site... I don't know enough legal gubbins to say whether it'd work, but it's an idea...
@@RedHeadForester you get your timber supplied, don't fell your own , it's perfectly legitimate business. If your own woodland is coppice you will have to coppice it periodically anyway thus your business is a traditional way of life.
@@RedHeadForester Possibly 'waste' could be ruled out and become simply material to be processed.
@@martineleven8179 i have a relative who produces charcoal from managing his several acres of woodland, with 1 x 8ft diam kiln. It would be quite difficult (IMO) for 1 man to produce more.
@@chrissymon that's what wife's are for,lol. Kids aswell.
what a fantastic video, I can't wait to share it with my friend in need who has land but no house.
thank you so much for posting👍👍
THANKS BRO nice to be nice , my favourite motto and it certainly is very nice of you to go out of your way (possibly draw attention to y/self) to clue people up on alternative living possibilities in this era of unaffordability for most folk.Thanks again and may you LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.
This is incredible. I've never heard it so well explained. Thank you for this
Absolutely fantastic to watch. Good to know the rules to battle the bureaucracy.
I remember the guy who built a huge luxury house on the sly in his field and hid it from view by placing a giant pile of straw bales in front of it. He got away with it for many years but eventually was found out and forced to demolish it. Does anyone else remember that??
I do. It was in the Daily Mail.
@Marian June Akin. That was bob fiddler. He eventually was ordered to demolish/reinstate etc do to concealment. (High court, i believe).. I can't find anything on him since.
Should read DUE to concealment.🙄
It was in Derbyshire
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@@woode32Surrey
Stumbled on this but very pleased I did.
Great video buddy and thank you for uploading it,totally selfless of you.
Cheers.
Used to have 7 acres and a big house in derbyshire. Sold it recently so have some in the bank. When i built my steel frame barn before i remember planner said i dont have 12 acres. Now it makes sense what ur saying. Was looking at buying 30 acre somewhere and doing what your doing. Good on ya. Getting a house these days and living on grid seems rigged and a scam. What ur doing is great. Council tax/standing charges/ mortgage repayments its just one big scam
as understood it you dont have to own 12 acres just: farm 12 some can be rented
@@johnfackrell7516this is true. The rented portion must be within a specified distance, 5 miles as the crow flies I believe. The largest portion of land is where the development will be allowed so this is really the bit you need to own.
LOVING this dude's delivery, sounds victorious!
Mate ! This vid is absolutely useful and very well explained .
I've learnt something today 👍
ps
I have plans drawings for a sub basement fast erect barn for the straw , mezzanine floor straw house and plans for a moat around the outside for drainage and water storage .
Happy to talk 👍
Sounds like a great build once complete 👍
I don't have 12.5 acres, have no plans to buy, don't want to live in a field and don't have a caravan. But the super wide-angle lens, the shades, the slightly creepy, nasal voice and the hush-hush tones makes this compelling viewing.
This is brilliant. You just have to know how to keep kicking the can down the road!
In Dorset you only have to claim to be a gypsy and you can set up anywhere. They are ripping out woodland near me as I write, in a SSSI area, without permission. Others have done the same in the same locality with no comeback at all. Yet our neighbour was refused permission to repair their knee high fence that blew down in the wind!
You don't need permission to repair or rebuild unless it is a conservation area. The planners are bullshitting you neighbour. If an official says you "can't" ask him what law says you can't - and watch him splutter and stutter. If there is no law that says you can't them you can. It's called the "rule of law" - an alien concept to the average bureaucrat.
They're a bunch of fucking liberty takers-in the real sense.
no you cannot "claim to be a gypsy" you have to be an ethnic gypsy,its blindingly obvious who is and isn't,theres gypsy language for a start,and gypsy rights are a very different set of rights and laws,for too complicated to go into here but you are 100% wrong,they will most probably be served an enforcement notice for the land near you and be charged criminally for the damaged trees if they are under any kind of protection order,if they do get to stay,then it will be because your council has been proven to have acted unlawfully in regards to their duties under the equalities act.
As my old fella used to say 'Never ask a policeman if you can have a piss in the street just do it'
An absolute brilliant upload. Cheers, mate.
Good idea and interesting to hear about your practical experience of the law etc but 12 acres of good agricultural land isn’t particularly cheap in UK. But I certainly agree with you on topic of being good neighbours it makes sense for both parties and lets face it no point living in your ideal manner with grumpy neighbours
Doesn't have to be good agricultural land. You're not aiming for maximum production of wheat or apples as a monocrop. Mixed plant and animal smallholding only needs clean soil - not had oil or asbestos etc dumped in it
Well played dude... We are doing the same and made some of the mistakes and faced some interesting challenges with the council....
Please note everyone... the Local Planning Authority (LPA) don't know what they are talking about. They have no Agri experience. They will not know the caravan act. They will not know the rules or laws around this approach and what is required to be functionally needed to be onsite.
They are under skilled public servants who are weak minded and given a clip board... And preserving their pension
We are in Appeal stage right now and the pure negligence and prejudice from the Bedford Borough LPA is laughable...
Keep spreading the word dude ❤🎉
'the Local Planning Authority (LPA) don't know what they are talking about' - is this working to your advantage or annoyance?
@@martinp17 both TBH
Positive... They have shown themselves to be prejudice and negligent so when I win at Appeal I will win costs too (which isn't an insignificant number)
Annoyance... I am constantly ranting at their behaviour and culture. There is an element of unfairness... I paid for a service (assess my application) but they haven't even read half the documents and then make up a load of shizza... I want my money back fanks!!
They don't have the skills to assess it (fact!)... They would need experience and education in agriculture.... and they dont. So why should I pay and get delayed in my plans and progression and my own farm business?
Then there is the behaviour and belief clash...
We are all pioneers and want to innovate and progress.... But the big (useless) council say "no - what's the question?"
We are all adventurers and will evolve
The council don't want change / risk / creativity/ adventure and are very weak individuals playing self preservation with "perceived power".... Can you see the clash and toxic environment?
This is from dealing with Bedford Borough Council... Hopefully your LPA will be progressive 🙏
An Incredible amount of useful information!
Thanks very much.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 Sadly my 6 neighbours are unwelcomed us. One of my neighbours is the mayor and councillor of this city. All of them have been making my life so difficult.
Parasites, the lot of them. They only learn from being subjected to copious amounts of violence, like during the Third Reich.
@@gb4939
The snobs don't want common people living where THEY can see them and get in the way of their views
Yet another corrupt mayor. ไม่ดีเลย
Croatia is mostly heavy woodland and Forest, can buy a decent chunk of land there for very little money.
Great insight! Many thanks for going out of your way to put this presentation together 👍
When you put up that pheasant, I was waiting for the bang!
Much simpler way to get a few pheasants, soak corn in whisky. Spread the corn laced with whisky, around the trees that they roost in. In come the birds, look free food, corn gobbled up. Wait under roost, and every now and again you hear "flumph", wander over, and another drunk pheasant in the bag! Remember to kill them before you put them in your transport, you don't want a bunch of hungover, peeved birds flying around your vehicle.
Is this a joke or a serious strategy😂👍
Many years ago, a person I consider to be very intelligent told me. Martin you have to learn to swim with the stream, but further on in life i learned, trout can swim up waterfalls, admirable like the info here.
He gave you terrible advice, not a friend - you do what makes the inner child happy, thats better advice
I know it probably wouldn't work, but build the barn with roof lanterns to let in light and roll your caravan and your car into it. Build the roof lanterns below the top line of the walls so they cannot be seen and use reflective coating. Then everything is out of sight in a barn being used for storage. Like I said it probably wouldn't work, but it might be worth a try.
I know people who did, but the neighbours dobbed them.
There's a lot of Karen's out there.
Probably never read this but, that video has really helps me out thanks for the help full advice and the time and energy you put into means A lot 🙏
Good luck in ur endeavours 👌
I have about 1 acre of land. Few stables with electric and running water. I plan to put 8 x 40ft containers on there doors where the large glass windows will be facing away from the road so when u drive past it will look just like containers. But inside will by my palace.. I think it’s a brilliant idea
Smart camo 👌
good idea- but the nimbys and snoopers will fly a drone over it.. pretty much guaranteed.
@@jonathansimmons5353.. but mr council. Im only using my land to convert containers into homes before I sell them. Im not living here I promise.. that would work? I have bees 🐝 there aswell could that help??
Dont delude yourself or waste your money and life. People aren't stupid they will get you removed and stopped in the end . It will cost you time , money and stress .
Someone did that recently (last month or so, he lived there for 15+ years) in Newport Wales. Check the local news. Now council is looking to move him out. So don't do it. Look at the recent news as a guideline.
this is the best video i have seen in ages
Loved this video. You explain everything so clearly and concisely, also love the tone of your voice when discussing it all!!
Video saved for the day I need all this info!
so now they can start thinking about changing the law because you made your little mister smartypants video and everybody is verry thankful for that no doubt
It's kind of crazy that you need to even go through these hoops just to stay in a caravan on YOUR OWN LAND. So I can buy land and do absolutely nothing with it, not even live on it, and that's fine- but the second I roll up and want to kip in my own caravan it's not allowed!? I get that planning permission needs to be a thing for many builds to prevent people and firms just building random shit over the entire country, but imo if i have hand and I want to live in a damn caravan on it, yes even a static one, that should be no one's business but my own.
Is it this bad in other countries? Personally rather than fight the council for years I'd rather just move to a country where I can live on my own land and no one will bother me.
10:14 Being a difficult customer has also worked. I worked for a lical surveyor who had an application in. There was a problem with it. I tried contacting the council because the decision daye had passed. The guy at the council was always on a break, out of the office, at lunch, off sick, in the toilet, etc. He did not want to speak with my boss!😂😅 It was utterly hilarioys. The planning dude was in hiding. It got sorted out eventually. A few very minor mods and permission was granted, even though they could probably technically have ordered the whole thing to be removed.😂
Thank you very much!! This information is invaluable,Bless you for passing this on!!
All the research you have done,is Sooo Helpful, I can hardly Thank you enough!!
I am wanting to keep Exmoor ponies, so this is more helpful than you can know, I wish I had enough to buy you a beer!!
This is more or less what I was thinking,I definatly will need a barn for a shelter for the Ponies, I am keenly interested in Rare Breeds,especially.
My Partner is waiting for a small inheritance to arrive,,,
Then we will be buying some land, with a view to improving it, planting some Trees and gardening,keeping chickens,etc...
Basically how I lived before my dear old Mom,,,,sold my Pony,.
(That broke my heart!) to a Stranger, with tack harness+flatcart, I got home from work to an empty paddock!!I had gentled for ride and drive,,,
Then on my 18th Birthday, kicked me out,
Then,,,Sold the house,land,my out-buildings ,Lock,Stock n 2smokin Barrles.
She was not a nice person...
I am going to buy you a few rounds of beer,as soon as Hubs family hand over the inheritance!!
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, i NOW HAVE SOME HOPE!!
Ive liked and Subscribed! Am going to binge-watch your videos!!.
Andrea and Critters. ...XxX...
How are you progressing with your plan?
I’d have hour and hours of fun looking around you land 😆 it looks like you have lots of different kinds of interesting buildings 👍
Bit late to this one but how does it work with barn conversion rights? Can you do the apply for pd, slow build a barn start another and be at the point where you are eligible to do a barn conversion on the 1st barn and then live there legit in a nice home?
Edit. Just had a look. A barn needs to have been built and used for 10 years before you can apply for class Q permitted development to do a barn conversion. So get land, build 1st barn quickly, use it for agriculture, build more barns so you can stay 10 years then convert original barn to a house.
But has to have been built before March 2013 i believe
@@jameslindley924 Thats class Q and it must be substantially complete within 3 years....Fidler's Castle
Thats right bud 10 years of use as an agricultural building if built after 20th March 2013
Thank you, Mr Gilbert.
There is no formal area threshold for Forestry permitted development, unlike agriculture. So you do not need "5 acres" of woodland to be entitled to a firewood drying barn, forestry workers shelter, tool shed, etc etc IF they are reasonably necessary for forestry. Some councils are quite relaxed about forestry buildings in small woodlands. Some are completely paranoid and even refuse the kinds of sheds they are happy to see being put up on the tennis-court sized allotments they rent out ....
Hey. Would you know where to find the information you describe? I've only seen it in the Rural Planning Handbook.. but wouldn't mind finding a source. I'm doin ma thing in the woods in Scotland, and keepin it sneaky sneaky.. (helps that all my neighbours love me). Anyway. The more info the better.. if you don't mind. Thanks!
@@tektoms I also have woodland and am told it's hard to get planning permission. I am told because we keep pigs goats and ducks we are actually agricultural and therefore can have a barn as we have over 10 hectares. So I'm going for permitted development for a barn, fingers crossed they don't stipulate a time frame to erect it. Wish me luck
Some really good points there, especially the allotment analogy.
10 hectares? You realise if we had the money to buy 10 hectares of land we could easily just buy up a crumbling old barn with land with existing planning permission or easy to get planning permission?@@jodiebright1794
What a fine Chap for sharing this .
Two most fundamental needs, food and shelter, you shouldn't need to ask permission from any one to provide them to you and your family, as long as you do no arm to others in the process. You live in common law countries, learn a little about it and be amazed how powerful and simple it is.
Article 61 Magna Carta was invoked 23march 2001 remedy/duty
Great info, best get on it boys. Once they see this video they will change the rules, they will have meetings for 3 years followed by 3 years of meetings about the meetings then they will put in a proposal which will take 3 years to process. Cheers.
Not all heroes wears a cap, well done lad 👍
Don't you mean cape
@@markbodley4983 no.
One of those levers that local code enforcement uses is with the utilities you have to have a signed off permit and inspection to get hooked to the power as well as sewer and water but if you're going totally off-grid they have no leverage just make sure all your fences have the right easements to the letter then they have no excuse to come on your property
this is the UK,totally different planning rules to the US,you don't need any signed off permit to connect to utilities just serious money and they don't need excuses to come on to your land in the UK,planning officers have the authority to investigate a suspected planning breach fences or no fences
Made me laugh at some point. Need more bravery in this world 💪 Thanks man
Every time you are forced to deal with the government, keep writing back to them, treat everything as a point to negotiate from, I've witnessed first hand someone negotiating a fine with 30 days to make pay or imprisonment for over 4 years, ended up paying a tenth of the original fine. He just kept writing back to them pleading poverty and offering them way less than the fine amount, they write back to say that is unacceptable and reducing the amount due with another 30 days to pay or imprisonment, and so the negotiations continue. In the end he paid to get rid of it, but said that he could have kept it going, the threat of imprisonment was for refusing to pay, making a lower offer just kept the thing ongoing as every time he responded a different member of staff was dealing with the matter assuming that they were the first person to give a reduction to the original fine.
I had enforcement arrive and demand that I removed a bund (pile of soil which I had from clearing a flat area for a caravan) barns need planning. Caravans can be put on but not lived in. I have been through this unsuccessfully
Good video good advice ,all I need now is twelve and a half acres...
Don't forget, if you are on your land for 10 years without any action being taken, you cannot then be denied permission. It's the law, just like adverse possession!
Hu from the North east 😊. Just fill in a AP1 and become your own local authority. Give yourself planning permission. If they aren't your local authority and you are, what then ?
Your approach more or less sums up the whole problem with the legal system in the UK. It is totally broken and nothing gets done. I like your approach (and am considering it myself)...but the honest truth is that this is the reason nothing gets done or changed in this country.
😊 Hi James you have another new subscriber . Great videos would love to give this a try. I want to buy 12.5 acres of land , my dream, land now is go expensive, I am looking forward to see your next videos!!!!
What a great video, lots of great advise and information
1000 sq metres every 2 years which is a lot, we’ve built 4 “barns”…..
very useful info. what is the definition of a "barn". for example, if I wanted to build a solar system. Could it just be a shelter for storage that happens to have solar panels for a roof? what if I'm running it as a business, could I need a temporary dwelling and another caravan for toilet / showers for contractors / workers? and another for an office. It sounds like contractors who come in set this sort of thing up
@@daninmanchester a barn is a building solely for the purposes of agriculture, storage of machinery, feed or animals under the agricultural classification
Solar panels require full planning permission on a barn as they don’t come under permitted development rights on agricultural buildings
You can have 1 caravan
I’d think it’s doubtful you’d get away with more than 1
Obviously you can build a farm office inside the barn or use a portacabin office
Hi great information thanx ,.years ago I remember a family lived on their land and had animals...they then bought in 12 reindeer ! And apparently there is an old law that allows someone who has reindeer 12 or more to live on site to look after them...have you heard of this ,,,not a wind up.... cheers Colin
Very interesting! We’ve considered putting a timber property on our 10 acre plot, but been unsure how to progress it - this is just what we needed to get on with it! Tx!
Have you considered approaching the council for permission to site a sectional wooden mobile home ? Legal if it comes to the site in sections
@@nicholaswilliams4336 I had considered finding an 18 or 24ft caravan and siting that on the land, then extending it with timber framed constructions, one side one year, another side the next. The thing against that is we have a numpty next door who thinks he’s Gods gift to the mentally deficient and has set up a ‘school’/business to train them in animal husbandry snd horticulture - none of which he is able to do - so having noisy, rowdy deficienté’s interrupting our later life, kind of puts us off. Oh, btw, one of them is a pyromaniac.
Anyone considering living off-grid (esp in woodland) should read Tom Barron's book "The New Woodsman"; also Gill Barron's book on Yurts both published by Eggerslack Press. These are people who've lived off-grid for many years and therefore have some invaluable insights.
Enjoyed your video thanks mate .You mentioned that a tiny house fell under the 4 year rule and the static caravan fell under the 10 year rule .If you have a min could you explain please. thanks
The 4 year rule, basically means if you buy a peice of land with or without permission, or if you squat in a house... providing you live quietly, no noisy parties, no upsetting the neibours, no deliberately upsetting the council in other words don’t draw attention to yourself, providing you can live quietly for 4 years after that it becomes a legal tenure, another 6 years and we see the 10 year rule which means you can push the boundaries a bit more and put a mobile home on your site basically there are rules that we try to respect even if you have no planning permission !
Same as squatting in an abandoned house, if your there for 12 years and you can prove it, it legally becomes your property
Another thing to bear in mind is living on wheels... proving to the council that your dwelling is not on a permanent base
Nicholas Williams, I believe you're referring to Adverse Possession law regarding the 12 year rule on unoccupied properties. This law changed 20 years ago under the Land Registration Act 2002. The case is now that you must demonstrate adverse possession of the property for 10 years, at which time you earn the right to APPLY to become the registered owner. The current registered owner is then notified of your presence in their property and is then given the chance to evict you. If no eviction is made within a prescribed period, then the property passes into your hands. But the process is not simple - you cannot just tell the Land Registry that you've been there for 10 years and hope they accept your word. You have to provide undeniable evidence that you've ADVERSELY possessed the property for a continuous, uninterrupted period of 10 years to the exclusion of all others. Not easy to do unless you keep robust records. Even then, if the property owner evicts you after the 10 year period, or tells Land Registry that they knew you were in there and consented to your temporary occupation of the property, your case will be thrown out. The new system is much more stringent than the old 12 year rule.
@@ronaldaddison2146 Thanks for your comments. I was hopeful someone could explain why a tiny house falls under the 4 year rule whereas a caravan falls under the 10 year rule?
This has disheartened me a lot. I can't afford more than an acre, and was hoping to buy it and live in a caravan there while making a homestead type affair. My only other idea was to make a just big enough sized pond, and sleep on a boat/raft on the pond. It's crazy to me that you can't do what you want on your own acre of land (within legal and moral reason). I'm glad I watched this clip and read the comments though, thanks.
What did you do in the end?
@@swhiting100 Working 7 days a week and saving for the land 🙂
Great video. I was homeless most of my adult life and stumbled into a small town in the North and onto an old allotment to which I found had been rented by an old man who had given it up. I was told by various people that it belonged to network rail. It had a rundown pigeon shed that had partly collapsed.
So I got in and did a rebuild and moved in. 4 years later I'm still there except the local council have recently been and said that they own it and are happy for me to be there as long as there is no anti social behaviour.
How should I proceed?
Should I do my own land registry search or just leave it at that?
Part of me smells a snake in the grass
Could I propose to buy or rent it?
Well you now can’t claim it by adverse possession.
So I’d say ask for a lease and purchase option and see what suits you best.
Good luck
Leave it alone and keep your head down. Look up land register and put in a request for information if nothing comes back register the land in your name.
Don’t say anything to the local council
Good luck 🤞
Find out who does own the land ,network rail or the council ,when u know for sure ...u know who to be nice too, good luck
How is this going for you, hope in your favour mate
Did you ever find out if the land was claimed?
Are you still in the same circumstances?
Yes it’s just what we want static caravans all over the countryside.
That's all some people can afford.
Surely, in these days of gender/identity fluidity, you can tell the council that you identify as a horse/pig/sheep. If they challenge this, then call the plod and report a hate crime! ;)
on a road or bridleway, on any land, 48 hours is allowed for rest and recreation under highways and byways. however, for a vehicle to be in motion along the highway, its wheels only have to revolve once in 24 hours. the direction of travel can change at any time. of course this means you need a mobile home of some kind.
Absolute love this video bro, just bought 2 acre of woodland in yorkshire, not sure what i can do with it yet. Would love any advice you can give
Depends on if u have neighbours/ eyeballs on your site. Either way get a track in ASAP to where u want things to be on your site. And a shed for your "forestry" equipment
I have 3 acres in scarborough and the ppl near are nothing but trouble . Wanted to breead some rare sheep but met with so much red tape i gave up the idea . But have partly biult a barn !!!
@@tomwalker7373 3 acre of woodland?
Love Scarborough best seaside place in england
@@chrishanley5868 no not woodland . Agricultural
Hi mate, just found you guys , my son is in Australia and his local council now's uses a helicopter to check domestic yards so you don't have chickens!!!!
What is in front of our kids , a load of rubbish. And by the way they also have bin police checking what's not in the correct bin.
Thanks, this is all the information I've been looking for.
There is a Quicker way ….. Buy your Land Put up a Tool Shed or Caravan put in place a Farm Gate, Then Put in place a Letter Box Post Box, Then stop the Local Postman and Tell Them you have a Post Box for Letters and ask them to Register it as a Address. Once that is done It Legally becomes a residential address … Hey Ho Put in Planning to Extend it to living Accommodation… As soon as they see its been registered by The GPO a government Organisation they can’t refuse….. Thats How the Travellers do it. It works we have done it 4 times already…
Really? As simple as just a word to your friendly postie? Far too easy, surely???
Is this really true?!
I seriously doubt this, but if it is true, I'd love to see some evidence.
@@penny6992 Ok here’s the thing sometimes in Life a loophole makes things look too easy, Now i shall go further into this, .. 1, The land has to be on a “ B “ road with a wooden Farm gate Older the Better, Not a Metal Galveston gate as thats too Young the older the Double gate looks the More chance the planning office can see that the Land has been unused for Farming, Put a Very old Hut Shed anything Wooden in structure on a Gravely Ground drive a 4 x 4 around it inti it make it look like its been there for Years, The More it looks like a Brown site the better, Build a Scruffy Tool shed , Because the local Council will send someone to see if its been a Working Site. Buy a Old Caravan and site it just make sure the area of ground is Cleared of grass and again make it look as if the Caravan has been there for years, Now your asking WHY ? , Well because if a Temporary Structure has been sited for over Ten years then again its open to Planning , And The Post Box post code address seals the deal, These are Loopholes that Developers use all the time , These are also used by Travellers in order to site more than one Caravan . If you want planning on your Land DONT PLAY BY THE COUNCIL RULES … They are not set up to help you,
@@daidavies6210 I've given up playing by their rules. I play by my own now. I won't go into it here but... They don't scare me 😉
Great video thank you very much. Could you reference the ‘3 years to start building and 3 years to complete the barn’ bit please? Cheers
Thank you. Plain and simple just thank you for.the info
I greatly appreciate it and hope to be able to put it into practice soon.
Join YOUR ACRE to buy cheap freehold small land.
Could you dig a huge hole in the ground, build a house inside and then cover the top? It works in James Bond films?
Build a bunker.
You’d probably need permission for the sharks
Fair play , it is really good of you to share your knowledge, many wouldn't. I don't know if it is relevant but I remember a guy who lived on his own land and when the council came to evict him he shot one of them, not that I'm advocating this action but at one time this made councils reluctant to evict . You are one cool dude and I wish you and your family every success.
lol i just spat tea all over myself thanx not laughed so much for a while
Did this with my 20 acre small holding in Cornwall it was hard work went down the business route but I had a lot of infrastructure already. Now preparing for an off grid type solar system.
You might be lucky going off grid in the future with the WEF Great Reset.
The Wef can f in do 1
Highly unlikely
They're about total control of all of humanity except their own kind of course and forcing us all into 300 sq ft flats in cities.
I know a dude in Leicestershire with land about 4 acres 2 holes two cargo boxes buried one for growing weed one to live in Ben there 25 yrs as least