It was a hard sell for me when they announced it as an extraction shooter. I my mind closed completely shut when they shifted to a hero based shooter. I’m just exhausted with hearing these qualifiers in the gaming industry
@@chinyson1023 The person who made Marathon a hero shooter is literally from Valorant. Which again, doesn’t have hero skins. Because they aren’t anywhere as lucrative as good gun skins.
@@paradopx8618 Its almost like Fortnite isn’t an FPS game genius… You know Fortnite is a third person game right? Not a FPS hero shooter like Marathon or Valorant
Marathon is an early IP from Bungie during their Macintosh only days of the 90's. The version they are cooking now, resembles nothing of the original. Nothing.
And even if it was the same, what market is out there for that now? I’m sure a small market but not one you buy a studio for and launch as a potential flagship live service after you literally watched your 400 million investment you also bought crash in 2 weeks.
The only reason “hero shooters” even exist is to sell skins. They’re literally made to sell costumes. Why cant we get a great AAA FPS shooter that isn’t a money sink anymore?
way easier to make skins for a game without "hero characters". The reason hero shooters are popular is because it gives a game characters and character without it a game is faceless and therefore has no character. Roblox and fortnite is not a hero shooter it has no characters, yet it has the most skins of any game.
Yeah it is. I used to like Paul but occasionally I get on Twitter & saw how he acts on there. He acts like everyone else who spends too much time on it. Toxic & negative.
Well he’s not wrong. The guys at Starwars theory stared writing their own fan fiction, pretending their fan fiction was what the material they were reviewing, then argued against their own fan fiction. The channel has become a mixture of grift and just parroting the wiki when it’s convenient and ignoring it when it’s not.
I fully agree that if they go forward with $40 then they are going to be compared directly to Concord even more. And it’ll be an uphill battle. Especially if it’s another hero shooter, even if they’re doing something unique. Battleborn couldn’t even shake Overwatch comparison and it wasn’t even a hero shooter, it was a MOBA in its MP, and it had a campaign with co-op that let you utilize MOBA style leveling for different ability builds. *If* it’s a really great game, they need to push it into people’s hands. Not just a free public beta will be enough if they want to charge money. Sony set a bad precedent with how they rolled back on Concord. People are going to be very wary buying another game by them for $40, if they just take it all down before a month has even passed just because it wasn’t financially what they wanted. Concord didn’t happen in a vacuum. But it should be interesting to see what happens.
They gave everyone who bought Concord a refund, which is honestly a big deal. Sony has a history of offering everyone a refund when a game fails at launch or is too far off the advertised product. No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, Concord, etc. The way Sony handled Concord gave me the message that if Marathon fails, then it doesn't matter because Sony will refund your money. Although i no longer buy games since there's really no point with subscription services. Everything i want to play eventually ends up on either PS+ or Gamepass, so I'm able to play multiple games per month for considerably less money.
@@GoodBoyGoneDad no they didn’t. Cyberpunk was removed so they wouldn’t have to, and even with refunds it didn’t come close to everyone. And to at was because CDPR, Sony was mad they told people to refund through Sony without telling Sony. Don’t remember anything over NMS either. Concord is a unique case study, it is not a good selling point to a new live service game that if it doesn’t pop off they’ll just shut it down. That sends th e message to not even bother, because if you like it it will just get shut down if others didn’t buy it.
To be fair Sony also made a smart and shocking move of refunding everyone who bought the game. So, I doubt anyone that knows about or bought Concord would be that wary buying a Sony live service game again.
And it’s actually going to be really good. They have a public test from October 24-27th. It’s Marathon’s biggest competitor by far, and it seems Embark are straight up ahead of bungie on all fronts. they announced the $40 price point before bungie has, they’re ahead in development, and it’s not a hero shooter, rather a “build your own raider” type game, and the character customization and monetization will probably be like The Finals which is extremely good. There’s no coincidence every time new marathon leaks come out, the leaker mentions something Embark related. They’re watching each other very closely since they know they’re directly competing. I think this will be the most interesting video game rivalry in a good long while.
I was interested in ArcRaiders until they changed their mind & wanted to make it an extraction game. There’s going to be a lot of extraction games & they need to remember that Warzone is out there. A lot of normal gamers are going to play that for free.
@@lawlessx9 People believe what Paul has said tend to ignore basic facts. Wukong doesn't run well on PS5, running it on series S would be a nightmare. Game science already came out and said that they had been dealing with optimization problems. Microsoft and xbox fans just couldn't admit it.
If Sony were smart, they should of ditched this plan completely, especially after the massive loss with Concord. They just need to refocus and restructure, cause neither Marathon nor Fairgames look to be moving any needles.
Since you live in some kind of fantasy world. The deal was unless Bungie failed to meet some quota on profits they effectively get to stay independent, inspire of the revenue failure Bungie has not yet reached that threshold. I know you need to live in your alternate reality, but Sony is just waited or Bungie to flip or give them a product. I know reality isn’t a gammers strong suit.
Multiplayer only games should always be free to play. The reason is that if the game dies out or loses support, you have nothing left! SP games at least can be played forever, so your money was spent on something concrete.
idk a 40 dollar price tag plus a 10 dollar battle pass would be just as much as a standard priced game which doesn't necessarily bother me. The only thing I'm worried about is if the game will warrant a 40 dollar price tag to begin with and not be half baked.
Do you think they are just going to kill off the current GTA Online? Or do you think people that purchase GTA 6 will get additional content in GTA Online and others that only play GTA online wll be able to pay for an upgrade? A lot of people already have a lot invested in the current GTA Online...
Hahaha let people brings stuff over hahaha. That a good one but seriously no chance at all that they let anyone bring anything over from gta online. It’s a fresh start got get the wallet and pay for all same stuff again at increase prices due to “inflation” of course. (Also to rest the board but money is king) Don’t believe look at the madden players or for that matter any other live service. I think only Overwatch 2 let people bring stuff over but that wasn’t even a sequel at this point.
For reference Bungie thought Final Shape was gonna launch when Lightfall did, and Marathon was going to be out when Final shape did drop. And you had stuff like gummy bears, payback, and Matter(if it wasn’t being flipped from canceled to not canceled) in production and coming out. Just remember that to realize just how delusional Bungie management was when it came to their time line. All of this being funded by a game that Bungie management knew was in a constant downward trajectory no matter what they did. The games are now canceled. Gumi Bears could be the best selling fighter game ever to exist and it won’t help bungie as it gone to a different studio. Their no evidence to suggest a new or more Destiny is gonna turn things around. And if Marathon fails to meet expectations they Bungie has nothing left. Bungie has to milk Destiny for a thing they can to keep them selves above the take over threshold, and find Marathon to the point that they find the missing ingredient that has keep extraction shooter from being a bigger genera that streams claim it is.
My issue with marathon is, that I don't like extraction mode. Be it Tarkov, Hunt, the BF2042 mode. I just don't like it, because it's hard to play casually. It's always on your edge of losing the progress, always have to watch out to not get ambushed etc. This can be fun to some people, but I just want to shut my brain off, and click on some heads in my free time after work. Or enjoy a good story driven campaign with actual character development that I can progress through day by day like a TV show. I loved Destiny 1, though Destiny 2 made a few steps backwards at launch, I like the Halo games, so I give them the benefit of the doubt, but it sounds like the game is not for me.
@@sheercold26 It is, but it's giving me a bad feeling, that many people will feel similar. Tarkov is huge and Hunt is a beutiful game with great Sound design. But I don't see the Extraction mode as being so beloved thst would be the next big for Sony and Bungie that it has to be. It seems like it will be a financial flop, even if it's a critical success. It just worries me a little bit, but all the bews around the game, make me feel like we are going to see more of Marathon today during the next State if Play.
@@sheercold26it’s not okay for Bungie. There’s a good amount they have to compete with & people are going to have a bad taste in their mouth from Concord. There is already pretty negative vibes people have for marathon. The Destiny community definitely aren’t happy about it so they’ll need new players lol
This might come out of left field, but I always thought Sea of Thieves technically can be seen as an extraction game and a great example of how you can balance casual play built around PvE and story telling, along side high stakes PvP conflict.
@@zerocore_ I haven't played Sea of Thieves, since the setting isn't my favourite one, but I can see your point. Maybe Sea of Thieves works Vetter due to the silliness it has around the game. Like it is less tense as a Tarkov. Or maybe it's only my perception that Sea of Thieves just looks more casual and more fun to play.
To play devil's advocate I don't think any of the successful extraction shooters are free to play? So the $40 price isn't really that big of an ask. Will people think the game is good enough to buy and play regardless of price is the real question. Its also not a hero shooter, they said it will be more of a class based system (kinda like Battlefield)
So let`s say there is: CONCORD Fairgame$ = CONCORD 2.0 (For sure) Marathon = CONCORD 3.0 (Maybe) I really wish Bungie just the best, because Marathon looks very interesting. For maybe it will not fail hard, but will get stuck in a playercount that is just "neat"... And a half year later it ends up like XDefiant or worse, because the most people are leaving already. For this moment actually, it`s looking not that good. Even without GTA 6.
Wasn't the agreement that Destiny 2 was to be completely separate from Sony control, and that one - if not the - main reason for purchasing Bungie was for their "games as a service" expertise (which was supposedly why the Last of Us 2 got cancelled?). Bungie is certainly infamous for their aggressive mtx, as Destiny 2 is riddled with it. As far as Marathon goes, maybe they should test the waters with an open beta just to see how many people are actually really definitely interested 🙂
I honestly think that the biggest problem with "Premium products" of past years, is that they don't feel like Premium Products. For the most part, the ones that are "Premium" but fail, have incredible or at least mostly incredible graphics, super detailed worlds and clutter, decently good animations and characters, but it's all just soulless or broken. Like they look really good in a screen shot but then you play them and it just feels cheap and boring.
Concord's hero system was "more nuanced than previously thought", but the nuances didn't change the perception of it being "just another hero shooter". I'll reserve judgement until hands on gameplay starts coming out, but I can't think of a live service game that majorly changed direction mid-development and was the better for it.
Why doesn't Bungie hire people from Battlestate games if they're making a Hunt showdown? I guarantee it will fail because Hunt's initial launch was so rocky that they had to reboot the game.
40 dollar price point with battle pass is gonna be a hard sell for a lot of people. Huge risk not going f2p with this IP I guess we will see if they can deliver on gameplay and make it worth it
I'm really starting to wonder if GTA6 is going to be that huge to be honest. There are many concerning rumors floating around that game and gamers are feeling very defiant in general. It could be a time for surprises.
It is going to be a flavor of the month type of game, I would say a bit like something like Elden Ring is. Yes, it will retain that GTA 5 online player and streamer base, which is pretty big, but for the most of the variety gamers will be done with it in a week or two.
I feel GTA as a franchise and the sheer excitement around GTA 6 in particular will be too big to fail, it is also coming from rockstar which has a very good reputation when it comes to making games.
The notion that GTA6 is some kinda gaming industry final boss is hilarious. I already know I won't even be considering other games for like 2 even three months once GTA drops
I don’t understand why people want a f2p game with hundreds of microtransactions instead of a premium game. $40 isn’t even that much. I’m not into live service games that much anyways.
Because Bungie will never just sell you a game for $40 dollars. They will sell you the game + expansion pass + battlepass + premium skins + characters. Basically Selling a retail game with F2P monetization. The proof is in Destiny.
This is Bungie. It will be a $40 game filled with microtransactions & live service garbage. You should see how they treat their community keeping their lights on🙃
This is the only of the three Sony live service games I had any hope for... Concord and Fairgames or whatever both looked trash but Marathon is intriguing...
Every game fights an uphill battles once they announce its live service, especially multiplayer only. Helldivers 2 got lucky with it being meme'd to death and the community practically doing the marketing run for them. Plus the game isnt PvP, which for a "premium" game is a bonus because its much even harder on top of all that to convince most people to part with money on that scale for a live service game that costs that much up front. For this...idk. The fact that its premium and PvP focuses will put it at an even stronger disadvantage, especially if its really an extraction game. Its happened before, but those were by dedicated devs and studios that wanted it to succeed no matter what. Not big corps and investors who wanted their money and wanted it now.
Honestly this game imo should have been the next halo. Just keep it simple single player, multiplayer, and special 3rd mode (this could be the extraction mode but me personally I’m not crazy about it). The only game I’ve seen take this approach recently is Space Marines 2 and they are doing great so I could only image what Bungie would have been able to do especially given their track record and the lore potential the franchise has
Question: Who are they making this game for? Because if it is for the extraction shooter fans, we will just keep playing Tarkov as no other game in the genre can really even survive as they are made too casual and not deep enough. This whole genre is really lead and controlled by the streamer community tbh. and I dont feel like any streamer is gonna do more than try Marathon for a few days, definitely not changing their main game. BR players will just stick to Apex and Warzone, while Hunt players will just keep playing that... I dont feel like there is room for a game like Marathon.
I was only interested in this game because it was gonna be an extraction shooter and I was still High on DMZ. But a live service hero shooter? I’m all set.
It is going to be interesting when GTA6 launches, since this is the first time since 3 that I haven't owned a platform on which to play it. Don't plan to, either 🤔. Will have to see if my PC's good enough in two or three years when it finally drops.
I can’t even fathom how they could announce this game and garner any positive steam. It could genuinely be a great game but the uphill battle for it now is unparalleled. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets canned, Sony internally for there live service initiative has to be on fire right now.
While this does have more potential than Concord due the extraction element, it's just another live service. Also considering it's $40, it's proves Sony might have learn the wrong lessons from Helldivers
"...can here can..." man forbes and most journalism really came down a long way in recent years, who would have thought, they don't even proofread anymore.
Has there been a release of gameplay footage or even a cinematic showcasing the game? Outside of that super obscure trailer of some nameless, voiceless characters running across the screen from like a year ago, I haven't seen a single thing of the actual game.
I think the $40 pricepoint isnt that unreasonable. Other extraction shooters charge money. Concord, which came into a free to play genre with a $40 price-tag wasnt priced intelligently.
I thought we learned this from the successful launches of Brink, Concord, and Titanfall 1 (compared to Titanfall 2 with an actual campaign)? How many times do we need to keep teaching you this lesson old man?
They need to take a look how gacha games like Genshin Star Rail etc are doing this. In terms of Support, Cotent update, Skins etc. This is how you make money and creaate a quality high level game
The thing that still baffles me is the fact that they chose Marathon, one of their oldest IP's, with a very rich and deep world and lore, and was the inspiration with a lot of elements of Halo, and decided "Hey you know what we should do? Make it an online only, $40 looter shooter/live service/extraction/hero shooter. Surely the kids are into that these days still, right?!"
My biggest concern with marathon is that it comes out in at most a year and I still haven't seen a bit of gameplay. All I have heard of or seen is concern, worry, panic, and a weird abstract trailer that explains nothing. I think the logo is out and they do have a Twitter but again it's just the same things. No one knows what this game is except a select few people. I am very concerned about this game and I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the worst PVP games anyone has ever played. I hope that's not the case though.
I really wish people would stop constantly comparing all these competitive live-service games to Helldivers 2 simply because of the price point. They are entirely different games, even genres. I and many of my friends got excited for Helldivers 2 because we knew it could be played solo or in PVE coop. Neither of which you can do in Concord or Marathon. The point that both apparently cost the same at launch is absolutely meaningless since they don't aim for the same audience 🙄 A roll of toilet paper doesn't suddenly become a car just because someone puts it up for sale for the price of a Porsche.
I remember seeing the first trailer when it was announced and I was initially really excited, but now I feel like it’s building up to a massive disappointment.
I do feel like people are heavily underestimating the influence of GTA6, I still remember when GTA5 released back in the day, and it was insane. GTA6 WILL affect other games and it will affect them for a good long while. It's going to put the entire gaming landscape in a chokehold for like 6-7 months, much like how Elden Ring did, but ever more severe.
More like a few moths as there were quite a lot of games that did very well in 2022, but boot lickers decided it was inconvenient to their narrative to talk about that.
The only reason I have even a sliver of a chance of interest in Marathon is strictly because of how visually appealing it looks, and much of that is from Destiny. After hearing how they are thinking of doing a $40 price tag in a market where most live-service games of this style are F2P...How do you compete with that after the catastrophic flop of Concord? lol
Nah i got no faith in Bungie after how much they have mismanaged Destiny 2. Although I did enjoy my time with D2, I can't put any more faith that Bungie will do the right thing with another IP when D2 is failing & its right in front of them.
I guess it depends all on the angle of the game when it comes to charging. If the game is trying to be an online game with more single player elements or PVE focused they could possibly get away with charging for the game. I say if they have to charge go the lower route of $10-20 or maybe have a founder's edition that gets you extra in game content, first battle pass etc. Again, it really depends on how the game is marketed and the gameplay. Concord failed because it wasn't marketed well, didn't do anything unique, had bland characters and was trying to charge for access. Of course it's going to have a hard time finding success. Time will tell.
It wouldnt honestly be funny if GTA6 caused literally other game to just not release in 2025 out of fear of low sales. Though personally, I've never been big on GTA, but I respect it and acknowledge its accomplishments.
@@fseiba6718it’s way too big, there’s nothing we can do about that. So many normal people will see one commercial & buy it. So many normies will hear it about it once & buy it.
Almost certain will be passing on Marathon. I have Dota 2, CS2 (if ever gets updated), Valorant (because valve refuses to update cs), Deadlock, Space Marine 2. I'm so over multiplayer games.
If i understand correct from what they show (maybe i'm wrong), Marathon is not hero shooter. It's something like "Tarkov", escape shooter. But, tarkov fans love gun customisation and "realism". I'm pretty sure they don't want play in sci-fi, only because it the same as tarkov but sci-fi. So question is, who is the target audience?)
There needs to be a new solution when it comes to f2p or paid release. Why haven they tried the afterpay aproach. Imagine a system that allows you to jump in on day 1 for $10 but cuts access to content after 1 month unless you keep paying the subscription fee until you fully pay off the title in 4 months for a total of $40 At the same time people who paid the full $40 could get bonus in game content in the form of skins and what not. Then when they do a new seasonal release they could just add to this payment plan model and have different pay tiers. Why does shit always have to be so black and white.
I don't think $40 had much to do with Concords failure. Look at the open beta and day one numbers of the game. Even when it was free nobody cared about it. It's design, mechanics and the devs attacking fans had everything to do with it though. THAT SAID... I do think 1.5yrs of people bringing up the $40 cost as a negative for Marathon will directly impact its sales. Nobody was talking about the cost of Concord until they started talking about it's failure. There's a psychological impact that will happen that will make the $40 cost a problem for Marathon where if Concord never released and the cost wasn't discussed it would be a non-issue.
i think not having even a barebones character creator for Marathon is already damaging the game as it is. I don't think people want hero shooters anymore
My biggest issue with having Heroes is that tends to mean that there's always balancing issues with the characters and causes issues with the enjoyment of the game
I have no interest in playing this game, but I am so interested in how this game will pan out for Bungie and Sony. I feel like this could actually kill Bungie as we know it, or in total
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You could not begin to calculate the lack of interest I have in yet another live service.
@@McGalahad Start from zero, and go down from there in my case lmao
It was a hard sell for me when they announced it as an extraction shooter. I my mind closed completely shut when they shifted to a hero based shooter. I’m just exhausted with hearing these qualifiers in the gaming industry
I head about a 1-ton super-powered microscope in Arizona. Worth a shot 🤔
Honestly, im excited for marvel rivals and mecha break.
Which is why you clicked on and commented on a video about….a live service game?
Man the bungie layoffs in summer 2025 are going to be insane.
Im about as interested in a new Bungie game as my first colonoscopy in 10ish years. 😮💨
I mean I would like a Bungie game just not an extraction shooter.
Bungie is just a husk of it's former self. All that's really left that matters is... Jason?
@@mckinleyostvig7135The Bungie that made Marathon in the 90s is long gone.
All people or most of the people who made cool Bungie games in the past are no longer working there. @@mckinleyostvig7135
It’s not the colonoscopy, it’s the laxatives the day before….🪵💦💦💦
Hero shooters allow for more egregious monetization. Bungie wants to sell $30 skins that can only be applied to a single character.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Valorant is a hero shooter and only sells weapon skins/charms.
@@YourBlackLocal Overwatch
@@chinyson1023 The person who made Marathon a hero shooter is literally from Valorant. Which again, doesn’t have hero skins.
Because they aren’t anywhere as lucrative as good gun skins.
@@YourBlackLocalyou mean rip off* got it and Fortnite wants to have a word with you about skins and lucrative money making lmao
@@paradopx8618 Its almost like Fortnite isn’t an FPS game genius…
You know Fortnite is a third person game right? Not a FPS hero shooter like Marathon or Valorant
Marathon is an early IP from Bungie during their Macintosh only days of the 90's. The version they are cooking now, resembles nothing of the original. Nothing.
The old marathon games were so fun. There’s a wealth of sci-fi shooter there to make a great game and we got this….
Those newer bastards at Bungie couldn’t help themselves like Hollywood rebooting old franchises only to butcher the original idea.
It seems like the same IP in name only. Maybe there will be call backs to the old games though.
And even if it was the same, what market is out there for that now? I’m sure a small market but not one you buy a studio for and launch as a potential flagship live service after you literally watched your 400 million investment you also bought crash in 2 weeks.
The only reason “hero shooters” even exist is to sell skins. They’re literally made to sell costumes. Why cant we get a great AAA FPS shooter that isn’t a money sink anymore?
The Finals is exactly that
Try space marines 2 brother! For the emperor!
way easier to make skins for a game without "hero characters". The reason hero shooters are popular is because it gives a game characters and character without it a game is faceless and therefore has no character. Roblox and fortnite is not a hero shooter it has no characters, yet it has the most skins of any game.
And to make the game more interesting and team-based. You can't tell me Overwatch or Black Ops 3 aren't fun.
I know that's rhetorical, but it's because it doesn't generate endless money.
Isn’t Paul Tassi the guy who is in an ongoing beef with Star Wars Theory over complete lies and assumptions?
Yeah it is. I used to like Paul but occasionally I get on Twitter & saw how he acts on there. He acts like everyone else who spends too much time on it. Toxic & negative.
@@SilverSurfer17 that’s why I ditched Twitter all together, years ago
Well he’s not wrong. The guys at Starwars theory stared writing their own fan fiction, pretending their fan fiction was what the material they were reviewing, then argued against their own fan fiction. The channel has become a mixture of grift and just parroting the wiki when it’s convenient and ignoring it when it’s not.
Just imagine this; if this game flops, Bungie would’ve sacrificed their rabid destiny audience for a game that nobody wanted….
@@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo that'll definitely go over well
Destiny was already a crawling corpse..
@@xandrixcreed because they pulled a lot of their team to work on marathon
@@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo No, because it was already coming to a close
The end of its cycle.
Game is gonna flop.
It was "too much water" lol
I fully agree that if they go forward with $40 then they are going to be compared directly to Concord even more. And it’ll be an uphill battle.
Especially if it’s another hero shooter, even if they’re doing something unique. Battleborn couldn’t even shake Overwatch comparison and it wasn’t even a hero shooter, it was a MOBA in its MP, and it had a campaign with co-op that let you utilize MOBA style leveling for different ability builds.
*If* it’s a really great game, they need to push it into people’s hands. Not just a free public beta will be enough if they want to charge money.
Sony set a bad precedent with how they rolled back on Concord. People are going to be very wary buying another game by them for $40, if they just take it all down before a month has even passed just because it wasn’t financially what they wanted.
Concord didn’t happen in a vacuum. But it should be interesting to see what happens.
They gave everyone who bought Concord a refund, which is honestly a big deal. Sony has a history of offering everyone a refund when a game fails at launch or is too far off the advertised product. No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, Concord, etc.
The way Sony handled Concord gave me the message that if Marathon fails, then it doesn't matter because Sony will refund your money. Although i no longer buy games since there's really no point with subscription services. Everything i want to play eventually ends up on either PS+ or Gamepass, so I'm able to play multiple games per month for considerably less money.
@@GoodBoyGoneDad no they didn’t. Cyberpunk was removed so they wouldn’t have to, and even with refunds it didn’t come close to everyone. And to at was because CDPR, Sony was mad they told people to refund through Sony without telling Sony.
Don’t remember anything over NMS either. Concord is a unique case study, it is not a good selling point to a new live service game that if it doesn’t pop off they’ll just shut it down. That sends th e message to not even bother, because if you like it it will just get shut down if others didn’t buy it.
Battle of Mid
To be fair Sony also made a smart and shocking move of refunding everyone who bought the game. So, I doubt anyone that knows about or bought Concord would be that wary buying a Sony live service game again.
Luke is rolling out content a rapid pace! I like it
Luke! You can't forget Arc Raiders! It's an upcoming extraction shooter being made by the Finals devs. It's also being priced at $40!
And it’s actually going to be really good. They have a public test from October 24-27th. It’s Marathon’s biggest competitor by far, and it seems Embark are straight up ahead of bungie on all fronts. they announced the $40 price point before bungie has, they’re ahead in development, and it’s not a hero shooter, rather a “build your own raider” type game, and the character customization and monetization will probably be like The Finals which is extremely good. There’s no coincidence every time new marathon leaks come out, the leaker mentions something Embark related. They’re watching each other very closely since they know they’re directly competing. I think this will be the most interesting video game rivalry in a good long while.
@@samhyatt4863 agreed, I hope the competition pushes both companies to lock in and create good games
I was interested in ArcRaiders until they changed their mind & wanted to make it an extraction game. There’s going to be a lot of extraction games & they need to remember that Warzone is out there. A lot of normal gamers are going to play that for free.
@@SilverSurfer17 Yep, new traditional looter shooters are rare these days, lost my interest then.
@@SilverSurfer17 I’m hoping that it’ll be more of a hybrid looter / extraction with a bit more pve focus but we’ll see
This Paul said Wukong signed an exclusive deal with Sony yet Sony did not show the game once in any of their showcases including PS5 pro revealing.
If the rumors of under the table deals are true they wouldn't be able to market it that way
@@lawlessx9 What kind of "under table deal" they signed? Assassin's creed shadow is not even an exclusive and Sony showed it.
@@lawlessx9 People believe what Paul has said tend to ignore basic facts. Wukong doesn't run well on PS5, running it on series S would be a nightmare. Game science already came out and said that they had been dealing with optimization problems. Microsoft and xbox fans just couldn't admit it.
Concord 2: Destiny boogalo?
Paul likes Acolyte.
Eww
And hates Star Wars Theorie.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
If Sony were smart, they should of ditched this plan completely, especially after the massive loss with Concord. They just need to refocus and restructure, cause neither Marathon nor Fairgames look to be moving any needles.
No they throwing more and more shit, in hope it sticks.
Since you live in some kind of fantasy world. The deal was unless Bungie failed to meet some quota on profits they effectively get to stay independent, inspire of the revenue failure Bungie has not yet reached that threshold. I know you need to live in your alternate reality, but Sony is just waited or Bungie to flip or give them a product. I know reality isn’t a gammers strong suit.
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Paul Tassi lol
I’m ok with a 40$ price…… only if there’s offline single player support. If it’s online only then I imminently lose interest
They never confirmed any kind of single player type of content, I think its only an online multiplayer game like Concord was.
Multiplayer only games should always be free to play. The reason is that if the game dies out or loses support, you have nothing left! SP games at least can be played forever, so your money was spent on something concrete.
Final fantasy 14, world of Warcraft, destiny 2 would say otherwise
@@ryukosho1209 i think he was talking about new games, the ones u listed are at least 7ys old, is harder to a new paid game not die in some months
@@ryukosho1209 This is exception that proves the rule stuff.
@@Byrvurra ok how about helldivers 2, how many points do you need? Honestly really just proves good games sell.
@@derick5295 if they made good free to play games it also wouldn't be a issue but I see what you are saying.
Going to be super difficult when you have games like Marvel Rivals coming out for free!
40$ price tag and a battle pass disgusting, I won't even touch this with a 10 foot pole.
Plus mtx, and knowing bungie they will have 10x different currency u can buy.
idk a 40 dollar price tag plus a 10 dollar battle pass would be just as much as a standard priced game which doesn't necessarily bother me. The only thing I'm worried about is if the game will warrant a 40 dollar price tag to begin with and not be half baked.
There are a lot of "last chance" games for all these massive companies...
Do you think they are just going to kill off the current GTA Online? Or do you think people that purchase GTA 6 will get additional content in GTA Online and others that only play GTA online wll be able to pay for an upgrade? A lot of people already have a lot invested in the current GTA Online...
Hahaha let people brings stuff over hahaha. That a good one but seriously no chance at all that they let anyone bring anything over from gta online. It’s a fresh start got get the wallet and pay for all same stuff again at increase prices due to “inflation” of course. (Also to rest the board but money is king) Don’t believe look at the madden players or for that matter any other live service. I think only Overwatch 2 let people bring stuff over but that wasn’t even a sequel at this point.
For reference Bungie thought Final Shape was gonna launch when Lightfall did, and Marathon was going to be out when Final shape did drop. And you had stuff like gummy bears, payback, and Matter(if it wasn’t being flipped from canceled to not canceled) in production and coming out. Just remember that to realize just how delusional Bungie management was when it came to their time line.
All of this being funded by a game that Bungie management knew was in a constant downward trajectory no matter what they did. The games are now canceled. Gumi Bears could be the best selling fighter game ever to exist and it won’t help bungie as it gone to a different studio. Their no evidence to suggest a new or more Destiny is gonna turn things around. And if Marathon fails to meet expectations they Bungie has nothing left.
Bungie has to milk Destiny for a thing they can to keep them selves above the take over threshold, and find Marathon to the point that they find the missing ingredient that has keep extraction shooter from being a bigger genera that streams claim it is.
If i can't create and customize my own character the game is dead to me. If i do i can even consider the 40$
My issue with marathon is, that I don't like extraction mode. Be it Tarkov, Hunt, the BF2042 mode. I just don't like it, because it's hard to play casually.
It's always on your edge of losing the progress, always have to watch out to not get ambushed etc.
This can be fun to some people, but I just want to shut my brain off, and click on some heads in my free time after work. Or enjoy a good story driven campaign with actual character development that I can progress through day by day like a TV show.
I loved Destiny 1, though Destiny 2 made a few steps backwards at launch, I like the Halo games, so I give them the benefit of the doubt, but it sounds like the game is not for me.
And that's ok.
@@sheercold26 It is, but it's giving me a bad feeling, that many people will feel similar. Tarkov is huge and Hunt is a beutiful game with great Sound design. But I don't see the Extraction mode as being so beloved thst would be the next big for Sony and Bungie that it has to be.
It seems like it will be a financial flop, even if it's a critical success.
It just worries me a little bit, but all the bews around the game, make me feel like we are going to see more of Marathon today during the next State if Play.
@@sheercold26it’s not okay for Bungie. There’s a good amount they have to compete with & people are going to have a bad taste in their mouth from Concord.
There is already pretty negative vibes people have for marathon. The Destiny community definitely aren’t happy about it so they’ll need new players lol
This might come out of left field, but I always thought Sea of Thieves technically can be seen as an extraction game and a great example of how you can balance casual play built around PvE and story telling, along side high stakes PvP conflict.
@@zerocore_ I haven't played Sea of Thieves, since the setting isn't my favourite one, but I can see your point. Maybe Sea of Thieves works Vetter due to the silliness it has around the game. Like it is less tense as a Tarkov. Or maybe it's only my perception that Sea of Thieves just looks more casual and more fun to play.
Nearly all extraction shooter games cost £30/40. It’s not something out of the ordinary or strange
I'm so excited for Marathon release. Need to gather a lot of popcorn.
Yep...the dumpster fire will be warm and bright with this one.
Favorite and most fair guy out here. Just tells it how it is
Oh boy it gonna be a miracle if Marathon becomes successful.
To play devil's advocate I don't think any of the successful extraction shooters are free to play? So the $40 price isn't really that big of an ask. Will people think the game is good enough to buy and play regardless of price is the real question. Its also not a hero shooter, they said it will be more of a class based system (kinda like Battlefield)
It is if people are playing any of these modern games right now. So many games are live service lol people are already paying constantly for stuff.
So let`s say there is:
CONCORD
Fairgame$ = CONCORD 2.0 (For sure)
Marathon = CONCORD 3.0 (Maybe)
I really wish Bungie just the best, because Marathon looks very interesting. For maybe it will not fail hard, but will get stuck in a playercount that is just "neat"... And a half year later it ends up like XDefiant or worse, because the most people are leaving already. For this moment actually, it`s looking not that good. Even without GTA 6.
Wasn't the agreement that Destiny 2 was to be completely separate from Sony control, and that one - if not the - main reason for purchasing Bungie was for their "games as a service" expertise (which was supposedly why the Last of Us 2 got cancelled?). Bungie is certainly infamous for their aggressive mtx, as Destiny 2 is riddled with it. As far as Marathon goes, maybe they should test the waters with an open beta just to see how many people are actually really definitely interested 🙂
I honestly think that the biggest problem with "Premium products" of past years, is that they don't feel like Premium Products. For the most part, the ones that are "Premium" but fail, have incredible or at least mostly incredible graphics, super detailed worlds and clutter, decently good animations and characters, but it's all just soulless or broken. Like they look really good in a screen shot but then you play them and it just feels cheap and boring.
Concord's hero system was "more nuanced than previously thought", but the nuances didn't change the perception of it being "just another hero shooter". I'll reserve judgement until hands on gameplay starts coming out, but I can't think of a live service game that majorly changed direction mid-development and was the better for it.
Luke, did you see that Bethesda thinks people will be disappointed with TES 6?
Well it's made on the Creation Engine so
After Starfield I don't think people's expectations are set high enough to be disappointed.
Why doesn't Bungie hire people from Battlestate games if they're making a Hunt showdown? I guarantee it will fail because Hunt's initial launch was so rocky that they had to reboot the game.
40 dollar price point with battle pass is gonna be a hard sell for a lot of people. Huge risk not going f2p with this IP I guess we will see if they can deliver on gameplay and make it worth it
I'm really starting to wonder if GTA6 is going to be that huge to be honest. There are many concerning rumors floating around that game and gamers are feeling very defiant in general. It could be a time for surprises.
It is going to be a flavor of the month type of game, I would say a bit like something like Elden Ring is.
Yes, it will retain that GTA 5 online player and streamer base, which is pretty big, but for the most of the variety gamers will be done with it in a week or two.
I feel GTA as a franchise and the sheer excitement around GTA 6 in particular will be too big to fail, it is also coming from rockstar which has a very good reputation when it comes to making games.
it's going to be fascinating to see how the launch of gta 6 impacts the industry
i got genshin, the first descendant and soon marvel rivals...
i got enough now
You don’t need to go through another abusive relationship like Bungie after playing Genshin
I really hope they nail it. I love extraction shooters, however the moment I heard it turned class based, I lost a ton of interest
The notion that GTA6 is some kinda gaming industry final boss is hilarious. I already know I won't even be considering other games for like 2 even three months once GTA drops
Marathon will be another concord lol even the names are identical
I’m waiting for another AAAA game from Ubisoft 😂
I don’t understand why people want a f2p game with hundreds of microtransactions instead of a premium game. $40 isn’t even that much. I’m not into live service games that much anyways.
Because Bungie will never just sell you a game for $40 dollars. They will sell you the game + expansion pass + battlepass + premium skins + characters. Basically Selling a retail game with F2P monetization. The proof is in Destiny.
@@jmo8391 Yup, this is why.
This is Bungie. It will be a $40 game filled with microtransactions & live service garbage. You should see how they treat their community keeping their lights on🙃
This is the only of the three Sony live service games I had any hope for... Concord and Fairgames or whatever both looked trash but Marathon is intriguing...
But how the gameplay looks is still a mystery.
I also hyped for the game cus bungie might be lazy but they can make fun gameplay.
The setting is peak, I wonder how the mystery thing would've worked originally
Marathon is only interesting in art style and because we know so little, but interesting is different from interested. I agree.
Every game fights an uphill battles once they announce its live service, especially multiplayer only. Helldivers 2 got lucky with it being meme'd to death and the community practically doing the marketing run for them. Plus the game isnt PvP, which for a "premium" game is a bonus because its much even harder on top of all that to convince most people to part with money on that scale for a live service game that costs that much up front. For this...idk. The fact that its premium and PvP focuses will put it at an even stronger disadvantage, especially if its really an extraction game. Its happened before, but those were by dedicated devs and studios that wanted it to succeed no matter what. Not big corps and investors who wanted their money and wanted it now.
Honestly this game imo should have been the next halo. Just keep it simple single player, multiplayer, and special 3rd mode (this could be the extraction mode but me personally I’m not crazy about it). The only game I’ve seen take this approach recently is Space Marines 2 and they are doing great so I could only image what Bungie would have been able to do especially given their track record and the lore potential the franchise has
Question: Who are they making this game for?
Because if it is for the extraction shooter fans, we will just keep playing Tarkov as no other game in the genre can really even survive as they are made too casual and not deep enough. This whole genre is really lead and controlled by the streamer community tbh. and I dont feel like any streamer is gonna do more than try Marathon for a few days, definitely not changing their main game.
BR players will just stick to Apex and Warzone, while Hunt players will just keep playing that... I dont feel like there is room for a game like Marathon.
Ubisoft Japan have cancelled their planned TGS online stream due to "various circumstances" 🤣
Hilarious that Sony wishes they were Apple and are betting on an old Apple IP...
I was only interested in this game because it was gonna be an extraction shooter and I was still High on DMZ. But a live service hero shooter? I’m all set.
One The Only "Pauls to the walls Tassi"😂
It is going to be interesting when GTA6 launches, since this is the first time since 3 that I haven't owned a platform on which to play it. Don't plan to, either 🤔. Will have to see if my PC's good enough in two or three years when it finally drops.
I can’t even fathom how they could announce this game and garner any positive steam. It could genuinely be a great game but the uphill battle for it now is unparalleled. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets canned, Sony internally for there live service initiative has to be on fire right now.
While this does have more potential than Concord due the extraction element, it's just another live service. Also considering it's $40, it's proves Sony might have learn the wrong lessons from Helldivers
Marathon is gonna be a sprint.
Shame this is probably gonna bomb because I really like the first cinematic
Starting with "Paul Tassi" is an instant turn off.
"...can here can..." man forbes and most journalism really came down a long way in recent years, who would have thought, they don't even proofread anymore.
Has there been a release of gameplay footage or even a cinematic showcasing the game? Outside of that super obscure trailer of some nameless, voiceless characters running across the screen from like a year ago, I haven't seen a single thing of the actual game.
I think the $40 pricepoint isnt that unreasonable. Other extraction shooters charge money. Concord, which came into a free to play genre with a $40 price-tag wasnt priced intelligently.
I thought we learned this from the successful launches of Brink, Concord, and Titanfall 1 (compared to Titanfall 2 with an actual campaign)?
How many times do we need to keep teaching you this lesson old man?
They need to take a look how gacha games like Genshin Star Rail etc are doing this. In terms of Support, Cotent update, Skins etc. This is how you make money and creaate a quality high level game
great job, next time could you link the article too?
The thing that still baffles me is the fact that they chose Marathon, one of their oldest IP's, with a very rich and deep world and lore, and was the inspiration with a lot of elements of Halo, and decided "Hey you know what we should do? Make it an online only, $40 looter shooter/live service/extraction/hero shooter. Surely the kids are into that these days still, right?!"
As someone who loved Marathon and still replays it, this game does nothing for me. I don't even see the resemblance
It's just a name, probably most of the dev team never played the originals
It actually started out as a singeplayer reboot like doom 2016 but executives forced them to make it multiplayer
@@Ashton_Cats depressing as hell
So who will get the tittle of concord 2.0 first? This? Or FairGame?
Fairgame
FairGame
My biggest concern with marathon is that it comes out in at most a year and I still haven't seen a bit of gameplay. All I have heard of or seen is concern, worry, panic, and a weird abstract trailer that explains nothing. I think the logo is out and they do have a Twitter but again it's just the same things. No one knows what this game is except a select few people. I am very concerned about this game and I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the worst PVP games anyone has ever played. I hope that's not the case though.
Forget the game mechanics, talk to me about what skins and loot can I purchase? Is there some kind of storefront I can peruse? 🤔
You want microtransactions? ARe you stupid?
I really wish people would stop constantly comparing all these competitive live-service games to Helldivers 2 simply because of the price point. They are entirely different games, even genres. I and many of my friends got excited for Helldivers 2 because we knew it could be played solo or in PVE coop. Neither of which you can do in Concord or Marathon. The point that both apparently cost the same at launch is absolutely meaningless since they don't aim for the same audience 🙄
A roll of toilet paper doesn't suddenly become a car just because someone puts it up for sale for the price of a Porsche.
I remember seeing the first trailer when it was announced and I was initially really excited, but now I feel like it’s building up to a massive disappointment.
damn ps5 pro is really the tax for the serfs for all of sonys bad investments
I can already smell the egregious monetization 😤
I do feel like people are heavily underestimating the influence of GTA6, I still remember when GTA5 released back in the day, and it was insane. GTA6 WILL affect other games and it will affect them for a good long while. It's going to put the entire gaming landscape in a chokehold for like 6-7 months, much like how Elden Ring did, but ever more severe.
More like a few moths as there were quite a lot of games that did very well in 2022, but boot lickers decided it was inconvenient to their narrative to talk about that.
The only reason I have even a sliver of a chance of interest in Marathon is strictly because of how visually appealing it looks, and much of that is from Destiny. After hearing how they are thinking of doing a $40 price tag in a market where most live-service games of this style are F2P...How do you compete with that after the catastrophic flop of Concord? lol
I just wish Marathon would have a really deep single player.
Nah i got no faith in Bungie after how much they have mismanaged Destiny 2. Although I did enjoy my time with D2, I can't put any more faith that Bungie will do the right thing with another IP when D2 is failing & its right in front of them.
I guess it depends all on the angle of the game when it comes to charging. If the game is trying to be an online game with more single player elements or PVE focused they could possibly get away with charging for the game. I say if they have to charge go the lower route of $10-20 or maybe have a founder's edition that gets you extra in game content, first battle pass etc. Again, it really depends on how the game is marketed and the gameplay. Concord failed because it wasn't marketed well, didn't do anything unique, had bland characters and was trying to charge for access. Of course it's going to have a hard time finding success. Time will tell.
It wouldnt honestly be funny if GTA6 caused literally other game to just not release in 2025 out of fear of low sales. Though personally, I've never been big on GTA, but I respect it and acknowledge its accomplishments.
GTA 6 online is gonna be the final boss of the gaming industry.
We should fight against it by not buying it.
That game will destroy/change multiplayer games landscape
@@fseiba6718it’s way too big, there’s nothing we can do about that. So many normal people will see one commercial & buy it. So many normies will hear it about it once & buy it.
Almost certain will be passing on Marathon. I have Dota 2, CS2 (if ever gets updated), Valorant (because valve refuses to update cs), Deadlock, Space Marine 2. I'm so over multiplayer games.
Why is everyone so confident in GTA6 being good?
They could just as easily go the way of Saints Row and fk it all up.
the fact were getting a marathon in 2025 with NO SINGLE PLAYER is a travesty. its just all online multiplayer… it better be good.
If i understand correct from what they show (maybe i'm wrong), Marathon is not hero shooter. It's something like "Tarkov", escape shooter. But, tarkov fans love gun customisation and "realism". I'm pretty sure they don't want play in sci-fi, only because it the same as tarkov but sci-fi. So question is, who is the target audience?)
There needs to be a new solution when it comes to f2p or paid release.
Why haven they tried the afterpay aproach.
Imagine a system that allows you to jump in on day 1 for $10 but cuts access to content after 1 month unless you keep paying the subscription fee until you fully pay off the title in 4 months for a total of $40
At the same time people who paid the full $40 could get bonus in game content in the form of skins and what not.
Then when they do a new seasonal release they could just add to this payment plan model and have different pay tiers.
Why does shit always have to be so black and white.
Paul Tassi has lost all his (street/journalist) credibility (what remained…) after the star wars theory article. This guy must be fired.
Indeed.
Yep.
Bungie is horrible at balancing PvP and managing PvP. They can't even get it right in D2. I have zero faith in their ability to it in a new game.
I don't think $40 had much to do with Concords failure. Look at the open beta and day one numbers of the game. Even when it was free nobody cared about it. It's design, mechanics and the devs attacking fans had everything to do with it though.
THAT SAID...
I do think 1.5yrs of people bringing up the $40 cost as a negative for Marathon will directly impact its sales. Nobody was talking about the cost of Concord until they started talking about it's failure.
There's a psychological impact that will happen that will make the $40 cost a problem for Marathon where if Concord never released and the cost wasn't discussed it would be a non-issue.
i think not having even a barebones character creator for Marathon is already damaging the game as it is. I don't think people want hero shooters anymore
My biggest issue with having Heroes is that tends to mean that there's always balancing issues with the characters and causes issues with the enjoyment of the game
Concord is worth $40, it was the best fps I played this year, people have been grifted out of a good game
I have no interest in playing this game, but I am so interested in how this game will pan out for Bungie and Sony. I feel like this could actually kill Bungie as we know it, or in total
Misread the thumbnail as "marathon derails".
People that play games like Tarkov probably arent gonna be super interested in a game like Marathon with Heroes, I dont see it
I agree with all this
As Fryer said, there are two prices, Zero and everything else, it might bite them in the chicks
I’m hoping it’s good but I have a bad feeling about it