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- Dave shows another method for hand soldering a surface mount SMD chip with a thermal pad, using both liquid and gel flux.
A method using hot air is here: • EEVblog #346 - MLF/QFN...
Also, drag soldering TSSOP packages is demonstrated.
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The heat pad soldering trick is just what I needed. Thanks for the illustration.
Thank you so very much for your "down to earth" for the rest of us, true and true videos. No special gimmicks or effects, just what one would experience in the real world. BTW, ...please do more videos on soldering techniques. Those skills are important to master. God Bless.
4:24-4:25 magic!
Great tip about using the vias.
I've used this method to hand solder the bottom of micro usb female jacks on small micro boards I designed. My first prototypes didn't have the bottom of the jacks soldered and low and behold after a few plugs and unplugs I ripped a jack straight off taking the traces with it. So second rev of the board I exposed the ground plane on the bottom, added some vias tying the two sides and just allowed the solder to wick through the board and onto the bottom on the jack. Works great and haven't ripped any more usb jacks off of my borads.
"Surprised Dave" is unarguably the best silkscreen logo any human can possibly hope to create.
Love that JBC unit!
Worked whit one for a while, been now on my wishlist ever since.
Thanks for that video! It helped me to solder a Htssop-32 with themal pad, It was the first time that I did it. And the TLC5947 works!. It's famous that soldering flows from the bottom through the holes.
Many thanks
Dave, thanks for letting sharing my review of the JBC I have!
I can't wait for your review of the one you have!
I've soldered 0.5mm pitch chips before successfuly, but I thought I would never be able to do this. Then I thought "oh, I might as well try", did some research and tried it. And I was blown away by how easy this actually is. But I did it slightly differently that this: I first aligned the chip and soldered only a single pin to keep it aligned, and then did the chisel tip from the bottom as described here. Then I can try to slightly nudge the chip to see if the bottom is soldered on the board: if the chip moves a little it means it is not soldered; if I can not move it means it is. Then I just solder the remaining pins and Bob's your uncle!
Thanks Dave!
i didn't know there was a company in nz that did pcbs, awesome!
This is great! Thank you for producing!
Really glad I came across this video, I had set up a pad like this, and wasn't 100% sure it would work.
Dave, love your videos, every one of them. A lot of guys complain about not being able to perform on camera, don't sweat it! ;)
Thanks, we needed some new soldering irons, and can live with that time lag. Will give JBC a try.
Tacky flux was a life saver when hand assembling high pin count smd's with solder paste. Nice big blob on the board, balance the IC on the top, and tease it down into position with tweezers, kept it place till you got it in the oven, and surface tension did the rest.
Another great video Dave, glad you showed how to hand solder the MSOP! Drag soldering is a good skill to pick up, I posted a video response showing drag soldering a FTDI using the side drag method.
Oh... Tried all yesterday evening to get a TSSOP attached to a board with my cheapo chinese equipment, fuckups all around. Rewatched the video and switched to my crusty old chisel-tip, and dabbing 2 pins at a time I did it! Even dug the fuckups out of the trash and fixed them afterwards. So, thank you!
Hi Dave, thank you for your videos.
Just removed a TQFP-100. Thanks a lot, great video.
Is it really a surprise to see no videos by the citric? Haha, bang on job Dave.. as always.
great trick with that thermal pad Dave. I'm working on a pcb design right now (first ever) and I was wondering how in the heck I'm going to solder my boost converter properly with just an iron and flux. Eagle DRC doesn't like putting vias on a pad, but OSH Park's board preview renders it perfectly.
Thank you for this Dave, very helpfull
Hi Dave, great video as always. Could you tell me where you got the PCB holder that you have @ 5:52 ? or how do you call that in English? Thanks!!
Seeing the amount you shake/can't hold your hand still, gives me hope for my terrible soldering xD I'm the worst.. had "experts" baffled..
thx for this guide :) I'm learning something new everytime :P
Very nice video, actually surprised it went so smoothly even with the go for it trial and error. Thanks actually feel much more capable about doing such things. Indeed it looked almost to easy.
Smashing tutorial :-)
Ive allways found it hell to solder the little critters.
And soldering wires to pins is fun, i have used fine hair thickness enameled copper wire stuck to the top of the chip with tiny strips of parcel label, it holds the wire in place while i attempt to solder it lol.
I wished i was a good as you are mate, just takes me a while, and a tongue stuck out while soldering :-)
Hi Dave! How do you set vias on Altium like that you have on your board? Thanks for your videos!
I had issues with these kind of filled vias when they cracked open because the solder resist heated up and expanded inside the hole on further processing at the pcb manufacturer. That's why I now keep the vias clear ...
hola! soy de mexico y solo queria decirte que eres extraordinario te felicito y aun que no entiendo mucho el ingles me encantan tus videos!!!
@Chris Gregory thank you for the suggestion. I will try that.
I like the flux capacitor you put on there
this is so cool thanks , hope to see even more :)
Discovered the heating from the bottom method when I got some 1w leds. Just make a custom soldering iron tip, stick it into a weller 40w, and within seconds, I can heat up a strip of sheet metal and bond the led to it.
That is an interesting technique. Never thought of that before. Gotta remember this. :)
Amazing work
Great advice ,thanks Dave will give soldering another go trying it with the use of one arm? Keep up the good work. Brian
Another quality video! Thank you.
Hey Dave,
love the show. Which method would you prefer to use if you had to solder wires to a very fine pitch chip (0,5mm). For, say, diagnostic puposes?
Greetings from Germany
no info on tongue angle?
Nice live tutorial!
do you also have a desolder tut for those ic's?
So Dave this is how you would solder those really really small components? Very interesting!
What is the surface treatment on those pads? Seems super flat.... or is it just white balance making ENIG look silver?
Hi Dave - May I ask where did you get this PCB manufactured? To me it looks like solder resist was getting peeled off way too easily in some places by the soldering iron (15:20 for example). And it does look quite bubbly and dodgy on some traces! - marko
Thanks! I was wondering how to solder those one ic's with thermal pads.
Dave, how did you tin the PCB so nicely? Or did the PCB manufacturer did it?
Does the solder on the pins have lead in it? If it's lead free solder what temperature do you use? Do you have to increase the temperature?
Love the slow motion Dave, thanks.
I have a brushless motor controller (L6234) that has a large thermal pad. I was thinking of mounting it on the bottom of the board and having pin header sized holes with which I could stick a bunch of pins in order to make a 'porcupine' style heat sink on the top. Tack the pads on one side first and then solder the pins. Thoughts anyone?
Do you know that a ton of people thought those Lecroy videos were boring?, and the HP one too?
It's the exact same technique. Apply flux, apply solder to tip, drag tip (across from/away from) the pins.
great job!
Dave, did you still use altium for this PCB? Or DipTrace?
Hi Dave greetings from England. I'm in Yr 2 EE Engineering. Desperately wanting to see a PCB layout designing tutorial from you. What software's to be used that can cope industrial as well as hobbyist standards?
Hello friend, could you tell me what you don't use and what measures is it to know what is good for sodar grace
Dave can you talk about impedance and miss matches of impedance?
Other question, why just mid high end oscilloscope have 50 ohms termination?
I mean is just to put a 50 ohms resistor over there isn't it?
if you drag across the pins instead of away from them does it create more solder bridges?
Dave, can you solder a heat sink to the other side after reflowing through the vias?
There is obviously a wide range of person that look a those video and that all like different thing. Personally i like conception video (where there is dave cad implied). The input protection one was the best, but I can't wait those usupply video again.
where did you get your jbc iron from?
What are your silkscreen dimension there Dave?
What about extending the size of the center pad so it comes out from under the chip? Would that work?
Nice Flux capacitor from Back to the Future Logo!)
And your video showing us all how it's done is where?
What is the chip you're soldering? Seems like a switching regulator...
All you have to do is "solder paste" for all your components and put it on a hot plate around 350c till the entire board "including the thermal pad, pins and all get soldered in.
It helps sometimes to press some points of the board down to the hot plate.
The fun part is with smaller size components like 0802 is "using the microscope.
I enjoyed your video/s
lui
I have to do some 0402 by hand, and next week I'll have to try 0201. 😬
Dave did you ever do a de-soldering tutorial? Last year I needed to de-solder 2 dpaks and they where a pita. I broke the board and I caused short circuit. The board itself was a ECU of a Ford Focus 1.4 zetec :)
What is the name of the gel that you used in the tutorial?
I have a PCB design tutorial PDF file for download (google it), and have done at least one video showing me lay out a board and the considerations involved.
I notice you mentioned your hand doesn't usually shake... My hand is always shaking much more than that. I have an issue with hand tremors, but I can do through hole soldering well if I brace my arm on a surface. I have been afraid to try any surface mount for fear that components and solder will fly everywhere.
Could you not place a small mirror on the table under the board to se where to place the iron?
Could you do a tutorial how to do that o to board that doesn't have solder mask. Way that looks half descent after board is soldered.
great dave :)
I've always dragged along the pins instead of dragging them out.
As you can see, dragging out has taken the solder mask off the board and bear copper is shown which will in time cause problems.
You kinda can. In Australia and New Zealand we have Jaycar everywhere, most countries have a radio shack or equivalent. If you don't have one of those, digikey, mouser, RS and element14 all deliver internationally.
I was trying to do one of these with hot air the other day, and even at well over 300° I was over it for what seemed like forever before it flowed. It was probably in excess of a minute. I think it may have burned the chip.
Mine are called "Benign Essential Tremors." My whole family's got them, though most people assume it's from too much coffee. One thing I've found to help out is to brace a stick or something (oil painters call it a "mahlstick" because they like jargon almost as much as engineers) against the table top, then rest my hand on that.
Although soldering through vias isn't recomended for industry it's nice to see it used as a method for hobbiests.
Was not going to be easier with soldering paste and fan heat solder ?
Sorry my ignorance , just learning !
that looks great but could you do it by putting a bit of solder paste on the thermal pad and heating with the hot air gun?
th-cam.com/video/588iV07nEdM/w-d-xo.htmlm4s He mentions this just before showing his alternate methode.
Of course if you have a hot air gun it would be a more ideal way to do this. But he is showing a way to do this if you do not have a hot air gun.
Yes, but it's good to show it's also easy with a normal chisel tip.
Finally someone who can pronounce soLder correctly
Concerning the layout, I have heard that a ground plane like the one on the bottom is not very good at all because you have big crack in it and there may be a considerable voltage if you measure from each side of the crack. Can you demystify a bit the ground plane. probably me wrong with a measure or juste explanation.
At 17:44 minutes if you look trace 3 and 5 especially 5 is damaged and will need repairs..Wonder what caused these damages to the traces? Was it from a to hot 🥵 of a soldering pen?…..
This might sound stupid but what are the small little rectangle pieces that have solder end caps? Good example is the ones that had "5102" on the top at 0:40
+Alpha Nerd
Resistors
***** Thanks! I found out tho. Over time I realized that what I was looking at was capacitors, resistors, and other things that have end cap solder points and I did not realize that they where that small. Thanks tho!
I'd be very interested in seeing the results under xray. I don't have my own data to rely on, but my early research indicated the wicking effect would result in insufficient coverage over the whole thermal pad and effectively a dry joint. I don't hand solder any of my chips, but the method I always use is tent the via on top and leave it open on the bottom - prevents paste wicking and gas blowout. It's a bugger to do in altium, I use the method in thread205944 on edaboard (sorry, can't link)
Often when I'm drag soldering fine pitch, I position the chip then vertical stab down with the tweezers to hold it in place. Then solder a row. Avoids the time for tacking two pins as well avoids moving the chip while trying to tack it. Much quicker and less stuffing around.
BTW... I agree with 123cyr. Solder mask isn't very good. Neither is the hole registration.
Where does the solder come from at 6:50? If it comes from the pins itself, is it enough to solder ICs by not adding any solder externally?
I think he put the iron with the solder underneath the board, and through the vias. The help of flux would have dragged it through i think.
the chip leads are made of pre-tinned copper. This is added to promote wetting during soldering, and is what is melting. You always need external solder as this tin layer is too thin to create an adequate solder joint.
What is this wire you used at 10:00 Please tell me EEVblog :') I need one of those.
thanks
Clicks on video,sees lenght,goes to get some snacks
Im watching this for no reason since i dont have the tools to do smd soldering,but i just watch it
what's an ideal via size to do this?
Flux cored solder wire, how do they (manufacture) get the flux inside the solder seath?
Extrusion. Flux is injected through the center of the die.
Of course you don't need it. It's just easier and less time consuming. I built a reflow oven out of a toaster oven I pulled from my kitchen and a little custom circuitry. The paste is expensive but like a large spool of wire, lasts forever seemingly. Stencils are cheap and make paste application trivial and vacuum placement tools make placing parts so simple. I use paste (even without a stencil) and the oven for all but the simplest jobs. It saves me time and quality is better.
Why don't you use solder paste? e.g. SnAg 3Cu0.5. It happened to work for you because your circuit board was hasl coated.
So enough heat travels through the bond wires to take the pins up to solder melting temperatures? That sounds horrible. A cheap board I had from China had the mask revoved under the chip and a few mm at both ends. I applied a god amount of solder to the pcb, then loads of flus and used the pcb 'underhang' to melt the solder whilst pushing down on the chip. That worked very quickly and the pins remained cold.
what is this mini holes on pcb?
Dave, you should position the camera opposite side of where you're working.
Thanks!
µSupply close to final release?
where do i white in line :p
Hi dave, informative vid :)
why not place your camera at the back of your bench and film towards you, will save having to lean over the camera when doing more soldering vids.
But then you don't know when the solder has "taken" to the thermal pad. i.e. like my first attempt. If you do it like I did it, without soldering first, then the chip self centering is the guaranteed indicator that the thermal pad has taken. Then immediately remove iron and you have the optimal soldering time too.
The idea with these videos is to show that you don't need a reflow oven and paste to do this stuff.