we were up in montauk day this video was made from all our vantage points we couldnt see what you showed us. looks like they are making great progress cant wait to fish the new fishermens ledge when completed just hope it doesnt get overcrowded with googans
Hey dworth24, thanks so much for watching and so glad the drone was able to show you the project in detail... the new ledge promises to be "humongous" in the words of the head Army Corp. guy in charge of the project.... LOL, I'd say you can count on it being OVERCROWDED any time the fishing gets good!!
This was Awesome! It almost looks like they are building Turtle Hill into a Pyramid...hopefully that will stop the erosion. I can't wait to get up close to that Base End station bunker, to see the manhole on the roof. I was inside of it as a kid, when it was down on the beach, and upside down. Thanks for the excellent video!
I was wondering if you could film another update of the project, some recent photos of the revetment have some in the fishing forums worried that the revetment will be unsafe and a hazard for being swept out to sea as the angle of the revetment will allow waves to sweep across it. Thanks.
If keeping he gaps between the rocks is critical to the abatement of erosion, why not go one step better and fill the gaps with gunite, leaving zero gaps?
Thanks so much for your question. We had an opportunity to speak with Greg Donahue yesterday, the Project Liason between the Army Corp. and Montauk Historical Society, who informed us why that is. First and most importantly, the gaps actually help to absorb and dissipate the wave energy. Second is maintenance... that method has been used in some locations and in fact has created problems where large chunks of broken concrete displace the rocks they are meant to stabilize. Lastly is the cost doing that process. So for all those reasons it is better NOT to fill the gaps. Hope that answers your question.
@@montaukdronestar7710 Thanks for answering my question; however, I'm skeptical about the answer. While I agree that having some gaps will absorb some degree of shock, the downside is that the cracks allow water penetration. When you have water penetration from waves, as soon as the waves start receding, the water that has gone between the rocks drains out, and the undertow created by the next wave that is drawing water back and away from the rocks is pulling that water back with quite a lot of force, thus it is constantly pulling backward on the rocks. Furthermore, under the surface of the water near the bottom, that constant pulling motion I would think would loosen the foundation of the wall. Furthermore, if shock absorption is what is needed, then why strive to keep the cracks smaller? There are a lot of seawalls, bridge abutments, and lighthouse foundations that are solid concrete that last an awfully long time. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious. I've seen rock jetties with tight gaps off of which I used to fish when I was a kind that are no longer passable because mother nature has rearranged the rocks. Whatever the case, I'm glad to see revetment of places like the Montauk lighthouse, which are national treasures.
@@artvandelay8090 Our understanding is that the Toe Stones at the bottom of the foundation are set 10' below Mean Sea Level and weigh a MINIMUM of 15-tons each. From there there are several layers of different size stones set within various tolerances, layered in such a way as to address the points you mentioned re. shifting/scouring. You'd need to refer to the schematic of the structure for a better understanding.
@@montaukdronestar7710 OK, thanks for explaining. As I said, I'm not an expert, I'm just interested in this kind of stuff, like to ask questions and learn. Thanks for taking the time to answer. I love the New England area, from Rhode Island. I always remember looking across the ocean from the RI shore and seeing the light from the Montauk lighthouse at night and in the fall when he air was very clear with a lot of visibility, I could actually see Long Island. I used to fish Race Rock, the race, and near Plum Island.
uh what I see is that they took the rocks which had been in the water and brought them onto to land THERFORE all I see is a sandy bottom in front and on both sides, so the fish will NO longer be interested in going there as there is no bait because the rocks are gone does anyone agree?
No rocks were NOT brought on land from the water. The rock used was trucked in. In the case of the Toe Stones they were limited to 1 stone per truck because they were a minimum of 15 tons each, some as much as 20 tons... and additionally it's my understanding they could only be brought from 1 of 2 quarries in upstate NY because they had to meet stringent hardness criteria. NO BOTTOM STRUCTURE WAS CHANGED around Montauk Point beyond the extent of the structure that I saw.... and I actually GOT IN THE WATER to inspect the Toe Stone sets. There will still be LOADS of fish there as always!!! Plus, it seems like it will be much easier to find a good spot surfcast now.
Awesome footage ty so much for sharing another one
we were up in montauk day this video was made from all our vantage points we couldnt see what you showed us. looks like they are making great progress cant wait to fish the new fishermens ledge when completed just hope it doesnt get overcrowded with googans
Hey dworth24, thanks so much for watching and so glad the drone was able to show you the project in detail... the new ledge promises to be "humongous" in the words of the head Army Corp. guy in charge of the project.... LOL, I'd say you can count on it being OVERCROWDED any time the fishing gets good!!
@@montaukdronestar7710 i see many people getting swept off those rocks now. Better be ready for many rescues!
This was Awesome! It almost looks like they are building Turtle Hill into a Pyramid...hopefully that will stop the erosion. I can't wait to get up close to that Base End station bunker, to see the manhole on the roof. I was inside of it as a kid, when it was down on the beach, and upside down. Thanks for the excellent video!
I was wondering if you could film another update of the project, some recent photos of the revetment have some in the fishing forums worried that the revetment will be unsafe and a hazard for being swept out to sea as the angle of the revetment will allow waves to sweep across it. Thanks.
I have a more recent update from a project I have been working on to show the progress since the Toe Stone's were all set. I'll upload it soon.
@@montaukdronestar7710 Thanks.
@@captsatch th-cam.com/video/V667uJxzxcY/w-d-xo.html
If keeping he gaps between the rocks is critical to the abatement of erosion, why not go one step better and fill the gaps with gunite, leaving zero gaps?
Thanks so much for your question. We had an opportunity to speak with Greg Donahue yesterday, the Project Liason between the Army Corp. and Montauk Historical Society, who informed us why that is. First and most importantly, the gaps actually help to absorb and dissipate the wave energy. Second is maintenance... that method has been used in some locations and in fact has created problems where large chunks of broken concrete displace the rocks they are meant to stabilize. Lastly is the cost doing that process. So for all those reasons it is better NOT to fill the gaps. Hope that answers your question.
@@montaukdronestar7710 Thanks for answering my question; however, I'm skeptical about the answer. While I agree that having some gaps will absorb some degree of shock, the downside is that the cracks allow water penetration. When you have water penetration from waves, as soon as the waves start receding, the water that has gone between the rocks drains out, and the undertow created by the next wave that is drawing water back and away from the rocks is pulling that water back with quite a lot of force, thus it is constantly pulling backward on the rocks. Furthermore, under the surface of the water near the bottom, that constant pulling motion I would think would loosen the foundation of the wall. Furthermore, if shock absorption is what is needed, then why strive to keep the cracks smaller? There are a lot of seawalls, bridge abutments, and lighthouse foundations that are solid concrete that last an awfully long time. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious. I've seen rock jetties with tight gaps off of which I used to fish when I was a kind that are no longer passable because mother nature has rearranged the rocks. Whatever the case, I'm glad to see revetment of places like the Montauk lighthouse, which are national treasures.
@@artvandelay8090 Our understanding is that the Toe Stones at the bottom of the foundation are set 10' below Mean Sea Level and weigh a MINIMUM of 15-tons each. From there there are several layers of different size stones set within various tolerances, layered in such a way as to address the points you mentioned re. shifting/scouring. You'd need to refer to the schematic of the structure for a better understanding.
@@montaukdronestar7710 OK, thanks for explaining. As I said, I'm not an expert, I'm just interested in this kind of stuff, like to ask questions and learn. Thanks for taking the time to answer. I love the New England area, from Rhode Island. I always remember looking across the ocean from the RI shore and seeing the light from the Montauk lighthouse at night and in the fall when he air was very clear with a lot of visibility, I could actually see Long Island. I used to fish Race Rock, the race, and near Plum Island.
uh what I see is that they took the rocks which had been in the water and brought them onto to land
THERFORE all I see is a sandy bottom in front and on both sides, so the fish will NO longer be interested in going there as there is no bait because the rocks are gone
does anyone agree?
No rocks were NOT brought on land from the water. The rock used was trucked in. In the case of the Toe Stones they were limited to 1 stone per truck because they were a minimum of 15 tons each, some as much as 20 tons... and additionally it's my understanding they could only be brought from 1 of 2 quarries in upstate NY because they had to meet stringent hardness criteria. NO BOTTOM STRUCTURE WAS CHANGED around Montauk Point beyond the extent of the structure that I saw.... and I actually GOT IN THE WATER to inspect the Toe Stone sets. There will still be LOADS of fish there as always!!! Plus, it seems like it will be much easier to find a good spot surfcast now.