Ok Sr why dont we see stars clamping one in to the other near the BH so to make a bigger star as GR predicts it should hapens? Why do an orange star get the jump in speed way up far to the right from the blackhole spot that most around go?
Hello Brian, great talk with Roger, as was your talk with Stephen Wolfram and Eric Weinstein. I have a question about entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics). Why is it that entropy still increases in a Black Hole? That seems counter-intuitive. Roger touched on it, but I'm still baffled. Wouldn't the fact that everything is being brought together and converging be lowering the entropy, and that a White Hole the entropy would be increasing, because everything is spreading out and diverging like the 'gas in a box' example that Roger used? Yet Roger says the complete opposite (black holes increasing entropy, white holes decreasing entropy). Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm confused about this aspect. I look forward to your explanation.
It's cool that Roger has been recognized, no matter how old his paper was. His new work will get more attention, which is very exciting. My ultimate goal in life is to be as sharp and vivacious as Roger at the same age!
How humble can you be to hang up on your Nobel Prize phone call, saying, "They'll call back if it's important."? I love this man and his brilliant mind.
@@DrBrianKeating I can understand not being able to snare the other two 2020 Nobel Prize winners for Physics but why would you dilute a potentially wonderful interview with Roger Penrose by superimposing Trivia from Weinstein and Levin. Doesn’t make sense
Given Brian Keating's intellectual pedigree, tenacity, and unexampled style, I predict this title will one day renamed to "Two Nobel prize winners converse."
Sir Roger, A Great inspiration. My Hero! Greatest Mind of our times. I wish him all the good health. Hope I can attend one of his lectures in the future. Cycles of time - What a beautiful book. This is a great talk. Thanks for doing this Brian and keep them coming.
@@johntavers6878 I'm sure that you're right, and I wasn't intending to be mean. I appologize if it came off that way. However, my intuition, is that "your best" is not fixed, but is a floating variable, and while you could in fact be doing Your Best, as Your Best is defined right now, Your Best can change, such that future versions of Your Best can be greater than past versions. Through graciously assimilating good faith constructive criticism, we can push Our Best to ever greater heights. :)
My all-time favourite Professor since 1976 when I read 'Relativity & Cosmology' and saw Penrose diagrams. I've been fascinated by this subject ever after. What wouldn't I give to have a mind like Sir Roger. Ah well, go stand in the corner Shaun and just listen, you might learn something!
I had just left a comment on one of Eric's videos a couple weeks ago about how he was my second favorite mathematician and physicist, in the world and that my very favorite was none other than sir Rodger Penrose.
Great content Brian!!! I absolutely enjoy listening to Sir Roger Penrose...His brain is so vivid and he is simply a charismatic and humble human being!!
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Found another great Roger Penrose interview and just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to checking out your wide variety of videos. They all look intriguing. Well done on this one for sure!
Ahaa! Brian has the massive book Gravitation second from the left on his bookshelf! Luckily the spcetime curvature caused by it didn't render this video incomprehensible like it did most of the text in the book when I used to study it-
Constructive feedback: Your multi-cam setup is cool but how often you switch views and fiddle what's displayed on screen is very distracting. You need to pick two or three "scenes", have the overlay for each calibrated in advance of recording, and only switch between them sparingly.
Mathematician Ramanujan worked on SINGULARITY and deduced two singularities. He was probably the first to discover them, but maybe not event horizon as Penrose discovered much later.
Been a total Penrose fanboy since my brother gave me a dog-eared copy of The Emperor's New Mind. Now a Keating fanboy too... Thanks for the great content - accessible and fascinating even to a curious layperson like me :-)
couple of suggestions I've learned after doing many migrations around the world never lifting my ass from my homebase:) -have secondary comms channels (chat apps/voip/mobile) to confirm internet/power down events -when adding additional people, check if other were not put on hold automagically... because skype -magic yourself up on rogan's podcast (ask eric for a favour;) - then get yourself a jamie with a phd - so that you don't have to multitask - you are missing interesting hooks for possible streams for the conversation ;) .. oh, and ditch the overhead camera - it's awkward, adds nothing and shows when you are multitasking and just semi following the conversation;) edit: keep up the awesome job!
@@DrBrianKeating It may not be your day job, but could still prove to be some of your most important work. Posterity may look back and be as charmed by the minor foibles as I am today. As you implement the feedback, we might sadly miss some of the relatable human element. Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. A hearty congrats to Sir Roger! Eric W always inspires! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Mark! I’ll try to improve. Keep suggestions for improvement and guests coming. I’ll have Janna Levin this Tuesday morning then a huge livestream Tuesday night.
I do like this CCC idea I've always felt that 13.5 billion years ain't that long when you consider how long the universe will last before heat death and when you consider our planet has been around for 4.6 billion years too.
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The point about the British acceptance of unusual and eccentric and unorthodox intellectuals , as being actual respected INSIDERS (itals) in British society, deserves intensive and detailed analysis; because it may help us to mould our societies into those which accept Off-beat and Non-standard(BUT ALSO detailed and scholarly, AND encompassing real knowledge & insight) investigations and theories, as being worthy of our consideration. This more pronounced Societal and Public and Intellectual and Academic acceptance of unusual and unorthodox and boundary-crossing intellectuals is a definite feature of Britain; it doesn't seem to matter (or it matters less) in the U.K. what clique they belong to, or what their formal qualifications are, or whether their work seems a bit crazy.....the intellectual bad boys in Britain are at least given a hearing, and good numbers of them are respected. Also, good science communicators and explainers have quite a high status in the UK. The studied disdain of the practicing scientist for those who spend most of their time explaining science is Not(!) justifiable; the ability to Extremely Clearly explain scientific concepts to non-specialists may be as rare a skillset as the ability to make a significant scientific discovery.
1:06:18 "The temperature goes up when you squash the future -- the temperature goes down when you stretch the big bang" -- That sounds super fun -- I did not know that :D
The trapped survace around the horizon, is key to the creation of a virtual particle collider, creating pair production of opposite charged fermions pushed away by the egative charged horizon forming plasma discs. And the jets.
I really want to hear his response to Roy Kerrs recent paper on this stating the singularity is avoided because of centrifugal forces and that the affine parameter of Falling Light does not conclude with a singularity because light does not experience time. Kerr said the interior is not dissimilar to a neutron star and that a real singularity does not actually exist.
I never really wanted to solve equations for black holes, Hawking radiation or Giza gravitational results. I just wanted to see what Einstein and Newton had to say about g.
Something about crossing roads and scientific discoveries. In "the making of the atomic bomb" it is described that Leo Szilard got the idea of controlled nuclear fission chain reactions while crossing the street as well. Perhaps a potentially dangerous situation that kicks your brain into a different gear? Fascinating nonetheless. Roger surely is one of my all time favorite physicists, thanks for making this happen!
What an enormous privilege to be able to watch such an interesting and stimulating interview with this brilliant giant. Good questions from Dr. Keating and Dr. Weinstein.
Humans are mostly who’s living on a flower, unaware of the universe outside their awareness….fascinating discussion, as clear as mud but covers the subject, and platypus are the only mammal that lays eggs..
If black holes have entropy (Hawking) they also have syntropy or entangled entropy! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy. Syntropy is "converging information" or mutual information resulting from rational thinking to create optimized predictions which are used to track targets -- teleology. All observers track targets! Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Randomness (entropy) is dual to order (syntropy. determinism). "Always two there are" -- Yoda. If black holes have syntropy then the question becomes are black holes conscious, are black holes alive?
@@gekkobear1650 Entropy becomes mutual information in Shannon's information theory! Mutual or common information, entangled entropy = syntropy. Duality converts entropy, information into syntropy or predictable information.
One of Sir Roger's lecturers made me laugh so, not disrespectfully, heaven forbid; but I see him standing, in front of an overhead projector, colored markers in hand saying: "never mind Disney, this is what a Black Hole looks like" in four colours! I could of cried.
Like Sir Rogers, I also was inspired by complex analysis and the magic of quaternions and octonions and when the octonions explained the quarks, I was all gaga. Later I learned the limitations of octonions and how reality wasn't reflected by mathematical models. Yet like Penrose I was impressed by mathematics beyond description. Only a mathematician could explain a singularity and explain what happens at the end times, with massless Higgs fields. Thank you Sir Rogers, only you could claim mathematics id based on faith.
So like plane geometry, there are postulates that differ according to the curvature of time and space, where rules in one type of geometry do not necessarily apply to to spherical geometry. Where angles in a triangle can be more or less than 180 degrees and parallel lines do not exist. So there may be branches of physics where quantum theories work and general relativity doesn't.
Entropy / wear and tear internal to matter... "No energy system can produce sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all energy systems."
Singularum Infinitum filled with electro-magnetic energy, that is what we have here. This electro-magnetic energy is transformed into bodies in the next eon and these bodies are moving charges hurling through space and exxerting force on the surrounding ether, which in turn exerts a force on bodies that we perceive as a gravitational force.
Brian, I sincerely wish you get Noble. I hope you are working on something which would lead you there. You have my Noble anyways for making me interested in Physics.
The physical distinction Penrose made numerous times between the Weyl curvature and the Ricci curvature is appreciated, and not often elucidated. Also a reminder of Gauss’ law in calculating net charge from a closed surface around a charge density, which could be infinite. However, Penrose’s singularity theorem is not as accessible as these simple concepts. He uses advanced analytical geometry to prove geodesic incompleteness, in the form of a closed, trapped surface that “focuses” all light rays inward together. This is equated with a breakdown, a singularity. However, this could be alternatively interpreted as a local observer reaching the edge of spacetime in a finite amount of time and then forever frozen in time. One can then ask whether the singularity ever forms in a finite amount of time.
Being inspired at about the 30 minute point, I think I've had a brain-material quantum coupling because I'm wondering what a Black Hole would say to us if we could anthropomorphize it. I'm thinking it might point out that it's substrate is, at least from its perspective, ordered and the substrates of all the things outside of a black hole is what is actually entropic. But, I'm probably missing something and the math will likely work anyway. It's just like "Just cancel out a minus sign."
In the conventional theory Big Bang started with the spanning of space-time, but the mathematical description breaks down in the singularity, like in black holes. In CCC we don’t have the singularity, photons from a former universe pass into the new, but they don’t experience time. There must come to be mass-particles (with rest-mass) for time and distance to be defined mathematically. So we can still say that Big Bang started with spanning of space-time. I like to compare this with what is written in the Bible. In the beginning God created heaven and earth. The earth was empty and dark, but God’s Spirit hoovered over the ocean. Then God said “let there be light” and there was light. Then came the six “light-days” when God said “let there be ….” and so it was. He watched it and saw it was good. He had planned everything and did it, so why did he watch over it? I think there still there was a matter of chance according to quantum mechanics, even for God. Apostle John said that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. Through him alle things were made. In him was life and the life was the light for humans. The Word became flesh and lived among us, we saw his glory, the glory that the only Son has from his Father, full of grace and glory (John.1). Apostle Paul said that he who said that light should shine out of darkness, made his light shine in our hearts, to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ (2.Corint.4,6). So what is written in the first creation history in Genesis.1 is used symbolically of what God does inside us, with his Spirit and his Word. This is also what we see in the second creation history in Genesis.2. This life and light in God’s Word was in God’s heaven before time began. It is a spiritual reality. But according to CCC also physical light was before Big Bang and shone through to our universe. God was in his eternal heaven before time began. We could not come to him, but he came to our world and we are totally dependent on that to come in society with him. So he sent his Son Jesus to our world and with the gospel of him, he calls us into his presence. Apostle Paul said to the Church that God has blessed us with all spiritual blessing in Christ in heaven, for he chose us in him before the creation of the world, to be holy and blameless in him. God raised us with him and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ. He will bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head - bring all together in Christ (Ephesians.1,3.4.10 & 2,6). So this was his original plan. It is just for us to bless him, so that we become blessed in him.
From 42:00 Sir Roger speaks about how the 'core' of the singularity is more like a space than a point. I heard him also say that it's more non-local. I don't understand physics but that sounds a bit like the implicate order of another great physicist David Bohm. Could there be a connection?
So I'm quite happy that I've moved science forward, in real life time. Sol was an interesting listen especially the EMFSYSTEMS part. I have much more much more. But let's see where they go. Peace 😎 ✌️ from Canada, eh.
Roger is it possible that Feynmans once made comment it was perhaps a star that banged to create our universe that outside our detectable universe is a much larger older universe. And sir its a, pleasure to hear you talk. You also Brian.
I wish this channel didnt feel like ot.had to play the provactove game to get us to click on an interview with the excellent Roger Penrose! It could have been a shorts title....plus the interviewee's sound is muffled while the channel's host sound is clear...
Please have Sir Roger return to discuss how differences in the equivalency principle at changing places alters the local vacuum or describes how the local vacuum is varying from place to place accordingly. At video time 48:30.
A curious question to ask, by and to, Physicists, but maybe not Philosophers. Mathematicians are exempted by demonstration of the Actuality Singularity positioning Principle. Are we here-now-forever equivalent in temporal cause-effect terms. (Rhetorical) But if the concept of "era" is assumed to be a period of "something in nothing", self-consistent discrete time, or "physical" universes are atemporal, separable, and Conformal Fields are not legitimate mathematically, then it's logical to apply the Disproof Methodology of "everything is connected" at this point in time = Singularity Conception. Unity of Infinity, .dt@ zero-infinity sync-duration connectivity, or e-Pi-i AdS/CFT circularity quantization wave-particle Holographic Principle, superimposed-superposition implies pure relative wave-particle coordination-identification, ..Mathematical motion composed of time-timing period-length Polar-Cartesian self-defining logarithmic coordination. The (in)visible existence of Time Duration Timing resonance.
Ok. have to say one thing that do not make sense to me in the video: ARE WE SEEING HAWKING POINTS IN THE MICROWAVE SKIE? Mr Roger Penrose says from time 26:03 that Schrodinger ones said that our planet gets the energy from the Sun in a small number of photons very HIGHLY ENERGETIC photons and goes out from earth in terms of many many more photons relatively speaking individually with less energy. If you notice up above Sr Penrose is contradicting him self by asepting Schrodinger up above idea that contrardicts with Penrose idea in this video from time 10:06 due that the inside earth light from the sun is going to BOUNCE from earth ground to the atmosfere over and over till it will be dimolished to a point that wont be hot any more and will stay as small fragments in our planet, some light might make it out but it looks to hard to me due that it will be confronted with a CONCAVE surface from inside Earth s electromagnetic atmosphere so my self think that Schrodinger do not make much sense at the big and as well think that the ansertenty principal is just wrong due that to me not a thing may be COLD and HOT at the same time. so back to the board?¡¡¿
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Ok Sr why dont we see stars clamping one in to the other near the BH so to make a bigger star as GR predicts it should hapens? Why do an orange star get the jump in speed way up far to the right from the blackhole spot that most around go?
Why is it asking for my consent to receive sales and promotion emails? Doesn't sound fair to me.
Is there a link that is still active? seems odd to not have it up permanently
Thanks I fixed it!
Hello Brian, great talk with Roger, as was your talk with Stephen Wolfram and Eric Weinstein. I have a question about entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics). Why is it that entropy still increases in a Black Hole? That seems counter-intuitive. Roger touched on it, but I'm still baffled. Wouldn't the fact that everything is being brought together and converging be lowering the entropy, and that a White Hole the entropy would be increasing, because everything is spreading out and diverging like the 'gas in a box' example that Roger used? Yet Roger says the complete opposite (black holes increasing entropy, white holes decreasing entropy). Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm confused about this aspect. I look forward to your explanation.
It's cool that Roger has been recognized, no matter how old his paper was. His new work will get more attention, which is very exciting.
My ultimate goal in life is to be as sharp and vivacious as Roger at the same age!
Me too!
How humble can you be to hang up on your Nobel Prize phone call, saying, "They'll call back if it's important."? I love this man and his brilliant mind.
Penrose's 2020 Noble Prize is one of the few best things to come out of 2020. Warms my heart... :) Great pod Brian!
Thx! More to come this week Jason!
This happened for me as well. I am still feeling great about this award for Sir Roger Penrose.
@@DrBrianKeating I can understand not being able to snare the other two 2020 Nobel Prize winners for Physics but why would you dilute a potentially wonderful interview with Roger Penrose by superimposing Trivia from Weinstein and Levin. Doesn’t make sense
Penrose is the best physicist since Einstein and Feynman. Well deserved and overdue
@@MichaelAntonFischer Yes agreed! Penrose diagrams are the Feynman diagrams of spacetime.
Thank you so much Dr Brian and Sir Roger. It was a great time!
My pleasure!!
Telemarketers! They suck up time more relentlessly than Black Holes
What a lovely way to show appreciation to this lovely man, few deserve such recognition more than Penrose
but seriously, the range and power of Penrose's intellect is amazing. he reminds me of Michio Kaku, in the respect that he thinks without limits
Thank you Sir Roger for your contribution to the knowledge of the universe, your books and your class and kindness. You are a world treasure.
Following Sir Roger all my life, I feel that the Noble Prize was long overdue……
Roger Penrose AND Eric Weinstein?! Brian, you’re coming out with the best content/guests I’ve seen from any podcast lately! Thank you!
It's truly my honor ;;; let me know other recommended guests
@@DrBrianKeating Daniel Schmachtenberger has a lot of insight, more about society & philosophy than science per se.
@@DrBrianKeating John Preskill
@@DrBrianKeating Jim Baggott and Scott Aaronson would be good guests
@@DrBrianKeating Frank Tipler, Douglas Hofstadter, Jim Gates (2nd time), Hans Moravec? Greg Egan (Science Fiction writer).
Given Brian Keating's intellectual pedigree, tenacity, and unexampled style, I predict this title will one day renamed to "Two Nobel prize winners converse."
Let's hope it's renamed to "Three Nobel prize winners converse" or Eric won't be too happy!
@@ahmedmak5927 Maybe four with Janna Levin too!
@@DrBrianKeating I didn't realize she was on but that would be the dream! My bad, tuned in too late haha
I hope so? If he has the courage. Peace ✌️
Good to see you Curt. That would be a nice bit of instant karma.
Sir Roger, A Great inspiration. My Hero! Greatest Mind of our times. I wish him all the good health. Hope I can attend one of his lectures in the future. Cycles of time - What a beautiful book. This is a great talk. Thanks for doing this Brian and keep them coming.
I do it for the fun. Stay tuned. Send more recommendations!
Brian, dude, turn your phone off (or on silent) when you're hosting a podcast.
dont be mean he's doing his best
Damn telemarketers...they suck more time than a Black Hole!
@@johntavers6878 I'm sure that you're right, and I wasn't intending to be mean. I appologize if it came off that way. However, my intuition, is that "your best" is not fixed, but is a floating variable, and while you could in fact be doing Your Best, as Your Best is defined right now, Your Best can change, such that future versions of Your Best can be greater than past versions. Through graciously assimilating good faith constructive criticism, we can push Our Best to ever greater heights. :)
Why? It gave the guests the opportunity to speak freely, don't be a Karen!
@@DrBrianKeating lol
Am really sorry I couldnt watch the live-stream!
But 10k view overall is criminaly underrated!
We will meet again in the conformal future when we are all redshifted into each other
You're doing important work here Dr. Keating. I really appreciate it.
Thanks Vaughn. Do you have guest recommendations or other improvements to suggest?
It's always a pleasure to listen to people who love discussing these topics.
My all-time favourite Professor since 1976 when I read 'Relativity & Cosmology' and saw Penrose diagrams. I've been fascinated by this subject ever after. What wouldn't I give to have a mind like Sir Roger. Ah well, go stand in the corner Shaun and just listen, you might learn something!
Who was your all-time favorite before Prof before 1976?
I had just left a comment on one of Eric's videos a couple weeks ago about how he was my second favorite mathematician and physicist, in the world and that my very favorite was none other than sir Rodger Penrose.
He has 4 papers and none of particular note lmao
great stuff, sorry i missed the live stream, congratz :)
Thank you to our host and guests. Masterfully done and you make it fun, too. I am a layman and not gifted in the sciences.
Thank you, very much Fred
I love Penrose's off-handed use of the terms "swirling around" and "swishing out again". Those are official, professional physicist terms! ;)
Thank you for this!
Great content Brian!!! I absolutely enjoy listening to Sir Roger Penrose...His brain is so vivid and he is simply a charismatic and humble human being!!
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The real Mr. Rogers
Wow. Yeah you need Eric level to get interesting stuff out from Roger. Not that I understand much of it. But thank you so much for this conversation.
Found another great Roger Penrose interview and just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to checking out your wide variety of videos. They all look intriguing. Well done on this one for sure!
Thanks very much I hope you like it here 😀
Ahaa! Brian has the massive book Gravitation second from the left on his bookshelf! Luckily the spcetime curvature caused by it didn't render this video incomprehensible like it did most of the text in the book when I used to study it-
Constructive feedback: Your multi-cam setup is cool but how often you switch views and fiddle what's displayed on screen is very distracting. You need to pick two or three "scenes", have the overlay for each calibrated in advance of recording, and only switch between them sparingly.
Thanks for the good advice
Thank you, both! I’ll try to improve my switch skillz.
Mathematician Ramanujan worked on SINGULARITY and deduced two singularities. He was probably the first to discover them, but maybe not event horizon as Penrose discovered much later.
Been a total Penrose fanboy since my brother gave me a dog-eared copy of The Emperor's New Mind. Now a Keating fanboy too... Thanks for the great content - accessible and fascinating even to a curious layperson like me :-)
Thanks Nick love hearing that
Love how he picks up right where he left off after the frozen part. Too funny. Great podcast!
Thanks!
I was astounded, its like he never stopped.
1:13:15 Roger Penrose hodling back a laugh like a pro. Im Dyin XD
couple of suggestions I've learned after doing many migrations around the world never lifting my ass from my homebase:)
-have secondary comms channels (chat apps/voip/mobile) to confirm internet/power down events
-when adding additional people, check if other were not put on hold automagically... because skype
-magic yourself up on rogan's podcast (ask eric for a favour;) - then get yourself a jamie with a phd - so that you don't have to multitask - you are missing interesting hooks for possible streams for the conversation ;)
.. oh, and ditch the overhead camera - it's awkward, adds nothing and shows when you are multitasking and just semi following the conversation;)
edit: keep up the awesome job!
Thanks I really appreciate the feedback. I’m always learning. This isn’t my day job but I want to be as professional as possible!
@@DrBrianKeating hope this didn't sounded harsh, as it was put with much love;)
@@DrBrianKeating It may not be your day job, but could still prove to be some of your most important work. Posterity may look back and be as charmed by the minor foibles as I am today. As you implement the feedback, we might sadly miss some of the relatable human element. Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. A hearty congrats to Sir Roger! Eric W always inspires! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Mark! I’ll try to improve. Keep suggestions for improvement and guests coming. I’ll have Janna Levin this Tuesday morning then a huge livestream Tuesday night.
This is just awesome. I love this podcast. Thank you so much for making it.
I came here from Gogier I must say I enjoyed this as I always enjoy Penrose
Glad you’re here
I do like this CCC idea I've always felt that 13.5 billion years ain't that long when you consider how long the universe will last before heat death and when you consider our planet has been around for 4.6 billion years too.
After this I want to try and find his speech accepting the prize! Thanks for the video
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Im nothing but a simple brick layer and roger has always been a hero of mine,
I love Sir Roger Penrose and his work.
These talks with Roger Penrose are so awesome. Lol
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The point about the British acceptance of unusual and eccentric and unorthodox intellectuals , as being actual respected INSIDERS (itals) in British society, deserves intensive and detailed analysis; because it may help us to mould our societies into those which accept Off-beat and Non-standard(BUT ALSO detailed and scholarly, AND encompassing real knowledge & insight) investigations and theories, as being worthy of our consideration. This more pronounced Societal and Public and Intellectual and Academic acceptance of unusual and unorthodox and boundary-crossing intellectuals is a definite feature of Britain; it doesn't seem to matter (or it matters less) in the U.K. what clique they belong to, or what their formal qualifications are, or whether their work seems a bit crazy.....the intellectual bad boys in Britain are at least given a hearing, and good numbers of them are respected.
Also, good science communicators and explainers have quite a high status in the UK. The studied disdain of the practicing scientist for those who spend most of their time explaining science is Not(!) justifiable; the ability to Extremely Clearly explain scientific concepts to non-specialists may be as rare a skillset as the ability to make a significant scientific discovery.
1:06:18 "The temperature goes up when you squash the future -- the temperature goes down when you stretch the big bang" -- That sounds super fun -- I did not know that :D
The trapped survace around the horizon, is key to the creation of a virtual particle collider, creating pair production of opposite charged fermions pushed away by the egative charged horizon forming plasma discs. And the jets.
I really want to hear his response to Roy Kerrs recent paper on this stating the singularity is avoided because of centrifugal forces and that the affine parameter of Falling Light does not conclude with a singularity because light does not experience time. Kerr said the interior is not dissimilar to a neutron star and that a real singularity does not actually exist.
I adore him. I could listen to him forever.
I never really wanted to solve equations for black holes, Hawking radiation or Giza gravitational results. I just wanted to see what Einstein and Newton had to say about g.
Hi Brian, thank you for this interview. Can you get Donald Hoffman please. Cheers
Aw! Eric looks in love, whether Roger Speaks. 😊
the smartest people in the world and they can't balance the audio
At one point, Penrose said in the boring universe there are photons and something else. What did he have in mind?
Aaawwww that’s AWESOME! Congrats
Something about crossing roads and scientific discoveries. In "the making of the atomic bomb" it is described that Leo Szilard got the idea of controlled nuclear fission chain reactions while crossing the street as well.
Perhaps a potentially dangerous situation that kicks your brain into a different gear? Fascinating nonetheless.
Roger surely is one of my all time favorite physicists, thanks for making this happen!
What an enormous privilege to be able to watch such an interesting and stimulating interview with this brilliant giant.
Good questions from Dr. Keating and Dr. Weinstein.
Thanks John! Stay tuned for more great guests!
Humans are mostly who’s living on a flower, unaware of the universe outside their awareness….fascinating discussion, as clear as mud but covers the subject, and platypus are the only mammal that lays eggs..
its a really cool mantra tho, eat food shit heat. its the story of life, food eats light, we eat food, we emit high entropy light.
Read The Entropy Law and the Economic Process by Georgescu-Roegen
wow you figured it all out
If black holes have entropy (Hawking) they also have syntropy or entangled entropy!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Syntropy is "converging information" or mutual information resulting from rational thinking to create optimized predictions which are used to track targets -- teleology.
All observers track targets!
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Randomness (entropy) is dual to order (syntropy. determinism).
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
If black holes have syntropy then the question becomes are black holes conscious, are black holes alive?
@@hyperduality2838 yes they are. So are stars. And Gaia is real too
@@gekkobear1650 Entropy becomes mutual information in Shannon's information theory!
Mutual or common information, entangled entropy = syntropy.
Duality converts entropy, information into syntropy or predictable information.
One of Sir Roger's lecturers made me laugh so, not disrespectfully, heaven forbid; but I see him standing, in front of an overhead projector, colored markers in hand saying: "never mind Disney, this is what a Black Hole looks like" in four colours! I could of cried.
Like Sir Rogers, I also was inspired by complex analysis and the magic of quaternions and octonions and when the octonions explained the quarks, I was all gaga. Later I learned the limitations of octonions and how reality wasn't reflected by mathematical models. Yet like Penrose I was impressed by mathematics beyond description. Only a mathematician could explain a singularity and explain what happens at the end times, with massless Higgs fields. Thank you Sir Rogers, only you could claim mathematics id based on faith.
contour integrate around anything to get rid of the singularity. You don't have to worry about black holes.
So like plane geometry, there are postulates that differ according to the curvature of time and space, where rules in one type of geometry do not necessarily apply to to spherical geometry. Where angles in a triangle can be more or less than 180 degrees and parallel lines do not exist. So there may be branches of physics where quantum theories work and general relativity doesn't.
Can we download the slides without signing for spam ads??? It would be nice.
Brian Keating reacting to words like "shower", lets goooooooooooooo
What no picture Dr Keating I'm disappointed, I believe I deserved a picture SIR. I love Penrose he is a great dude.
Entropy / wear and tear internal to matter...
"No energy system can produce sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all energy systems."
Singularum Infinitum filled with electro-magnetic energy, that is what we have here. This electro-magnetic energy is transformed into bodies in the next eon and these bodies are moving charges hurling through space and exxerting force on the surrounding ether, which in turn exerts a force on bodies that we perceive as a gravitational force.
That was awesome. All of them fine gentlemen, great minds yet honest and humble. The best of humanity on display.
Thanks very much !
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Roger do other scientists fall on the ground & cry & gag when some one says black hole in sted of singlarity?
Thank you
Looking like an astronomers schedule.
Brian, I sincerely wish you get Noble. I hope you are working on something which would lead you there. You have my Noble anyways for making me interested in Physics.
Sir Roger Penrose is amazing !
Look at the symmetric movement positions the strings behind him.
The do make perfect match with his body alignment.
Debunked once and for all
Legendary! Thanks for this. These sorts of conversations make me want to take your physics classes at UCSD
Please do!!
Salute Sir!
The physical distinction Penrose made numerous times between the Weyl curvature and the Ricci curvature is appreciated, and not often elucidated. Also a reminder of Gauss’ law in calculating net charge from a closed surface around a charge density, which could be infinite. However, Penrose’s singularity theorem is not as accessible as these simple concepts. He uses advanced analytical geometry to prove geodesic incompleteness, in the form of a closed, trapped surface that “focuses” all light rays inward together. This is equated with a breakdown, a singularity. However, this could be alternatively interpreted as a local observer reaching the edge of spacetime in a finite amount of time and then forever frozen in time. One can then ask whether the singularity ever forms in a finite amount of time.
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Being inspired at about the 30 minute point, I think I've had a brain-material quantum coupling because I'm wondering what a Black Hole would say to us if we could anthropomorphize it. I'm thinking it might point out that it's substrate is, at least from its perspective, ordered and the substrates of all the things outside of a black hole is what is actually entropic. But, I'm probably missing something and the math will likely work anyway. It's just like "Just cancel out a minus sign."
I wish a dust in my apartment was collapsing into a single spot... then I would place a bin there :)
the humble rockstarof math: the doc
In the conventional theory Big Bang started with the spanning of space-time, but the mathematical description breaks down in the singularity, like in black holes. In CCC we don’t have the singularity, photons from a former universe pass into the new, but they don’t experience time. There must come to be mass-particles (with rest-mass) for time and distance to be defined mathematically. So we can still say that Big Bang started with spanning of space-time.
I like to compare this with what is written in the Bible. In the beginning God created heaven and earth. The earth was empty and dark, but God’s Spirit hoovered over the ocean. Then God said “let there be light” and there was light. Then came the six “light-days” when God said “let there be ….” and so it was. He watched it and saw it was good. He had planned everything and did it, so why did he watch over it? I think there still there was a matter of chance according to quantum mechanics, even for God.
Apostle John said that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. Through him alle things were made. In him was life and the life was the light for humans. The Word became flesh and lived among us, we saw his glory, the glory that the only Son has from his Father, full of grace and glory (John.1).
Apostle Paul said that he who said that light should shine out of darkness, made his light shine in our hearts, to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ (2.Corint.4,6).
So what is written in the first creation history in Genesis.1 is used symbolically of what God does inside us, with his Spirit and his Word. This is also what we see in the second creation history in Genesis.2.
This life and light in God’s Word was in God’s heaven before time began. It is a spiritual reality. But according to CCC also physical light was before Big Bang and shone through to our universe.
God was in his eternal heaven before time began. We could not come to him, but he came to our world and we are totally dependent on that to come in society with him. So he sent his Son Jesus to our world and with the gospel of him, he calls us into his presence.
Apostle Paul said to the Church that God has blessed us with all spiritual blessing in Christ in heaven, for he chose us in him before the creation of the world, to be holy and blameless in him. God raised us with him and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ. He will bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head - bring all together in Christ (Ephesians.1,3.4.10 & 2,6).
So this was his original plan. It is just for us to bless him, so that we become blessed in him.
From 42:00 Sir Roger speaks about how the 'core' of the singularity is more like a space than a point. I heard him also say that it's more non-local. I don't understand physics but that sounds a bit like the implicate order of another great physicist David Bohm. Could there be a connection?
I personally think that the measurement is simply us updating our knowledge of the quantum system.
no singularities are not real, but theyre true. like time. they ARE time
1:55:23. Nobody looks. They should. Such an interesting place
Hopefully the cosmic gravity wave background will show more Hawking points.
What was sir Roger's answer to the conformal mapping of singularities then?
@Dr Brian Keating There seems to be some sort of cut/jump in the video at 38:40
So I'm quite happy that I've moved science forward, in real life time. Sol was an interesting listen especially the EMFSYSTEMS part. I have much more much more. But let's see where they go. Peace 😎 ✌️ from Canada, eh.
I loved contour integration.
There seems to be more at the nano scale of strings and flexible propeller shaped fermions. AND FLEXIBLE PHOTON STRINGS.
Why is there no discussion of the effect of angular momentum on the shape of the singularity?
The Eric is following this believe it or not
Brian mute your shit if you're not talking lol. That phone was a buzz kill
Roger is it possible that Feynmans once made comment it was perhaps a star that banged to create our universe that outside our detectable universe is a much larger older universe. And sir its a, pleasure to hear you talk. You also Brian.
The link for the slides is not working...
I wish this channel didnt feel like ot.had to play the provactove game to get us to click on an interview with the excellent Roger Penrose! It could have been a shorts title....plus the interviewee's sound is muffled while the channel's host sound is clear...
I will have a look.
Please have Sir Roger return to discuss how differences in the equivalency principle at changing places alters the local vacuum or describes how the local vacuum is varying from place to place accordingly. At video time 48:30.
A curious question to ask, by and to, Physicists, but maybe not Philosophers. Mathematicians are exempted by demonstration of the Actuality Singularity positioning Principle.
Are we here-now-forever equivalent in temporal cause-effect terms. (Rhetorical)
But if the concept of "era" is assumed to be a period of "something in nothing", self-consistent discrete time, or "physical" universes are atemporal, separable, and Conformal Fields are not legitimate mathematically, then it's logical to apply the Disproof Methodology of "everything is connected" at this point in time = Singularity Conception. Unity of Infinity, .dt@ zero-infinity sync-duration connectivity, or e-Pi-i AdS/CFT circularity quantization wave-particle Holographic Principle, superimposed-superposition implies pure relative wave-particle coordination-identification,
..Mathematical motion composed of time-timing period-length Polar-Cartesian self-defining logarithmic coordination.
The (in)visible existence of Time Duration Timing resonance.
Ok. have to say one thing that do not make sense to me in the video: ARE WE SEEING HAWKING POINTS IN THE MICROWAVE SKIE? Mr Roger Penrose says from time 26:03 that Schrodinger ones said that our planet gets the energy from the Sun in a small number of photons very HIGHLY ENERGETIC photons and goes out from earth in terms of many many more photons relatively speaking individually with less energy.
If you notice up above Sr Penrose is contradicting him self by asepting Schrodinger up above idea that contrardicts with Penrose idea in this video from time 10:06 due that the inside earth light from the sun is going to BOUNCE from earth ground to the atmosfere over and over till it will be dimolished to a point that wont be hot any more and will stay as small fragments in our planet, some light might make it out but it looks to hard to me due that it will be confronted with a CONCAVE surface from inside Earth s electromagnetic atmosphere so my self think that Schrodinger do not make much sense at the big and as well think that the ansertenty principal is just wrong due that to me not a thing may be COLD and HOT at the same time. so back to the board?¡¡¿