I always enjoy the content here, but I’m so excited to follow the journey to 996 ownership! Absolutely love my ‘99 C2 6-speed in speed yellow with a SRD 3.7. Congrats, Will! You’ve seen the light!
Was originally looking for a 4S but went with the 40th Anniversary instead. Both are great but 40th probably represents the best value in 911 ownership. GTS spec and with 30th and 50th versions going for monster dollars this model remains a big one for upside in the long term. Plus the 40AE community is great.
Wishing you all the best with finding your favorite 996. I have a 2004 996 cab manual and love driving it every chance I can. Looking forward to being part of your purchase journey. Thank you so much for the great content!
I own a 99 ambers on front and back. Black convertible w hard top.. I love how the tables have turned with the 996. The car is awesome. A nice blend of old and still new enough for safety..
An early car like a '99 with a throttle cable that might need a motor from Flat Six Innovations sounds fun to me. Enjoy your next adventures. My friends & I always get a kick from your videos along with a good laugh.
I will look forward to this as I’ve been a 996 owner for ten years and it’s a great car and I’m pleased that people are now seeing how good it really is
I think you will enjoy the 996 experience. My vote goes for a plain C2. I like the headlights and minior styling changes on the .2, including the larger engine, but both are great IMO. Perfect blend of "organic" feeling and modern conveniences. Obviously caveat emptor applies in terms of condition (mechanically and cosmetically). Bonus if you get an exciting color! Zenith blue, oriential red, arena red, wimbledon green, ocean jade, cobalt blue or viola purple :)
I’m a rabid 996 fan. I’ve had a 2003 996tt X50 aero for the last 10 yrs. I’m still in love with the car. I love the direction you’re taking by finding an early 996. I wish I had one beside my 996tt to experience the difference. I’ve run out of room as I have a 981CS next it. CheeRs
Go Will! I’m a 996 connoisseur myself. First for me was a 99 C2 manual coupe that I flogged for about seven years in the mountains. Suspension and exhaust mods over time made it a great ownership experience. I couldn’t get enough 996 so I sold it bought a GT3 to experience the pinnacle of the platform. It’s a keeper. I actually like the .1 styling better in the base form when properly lowered and the 3.4 is the livelier motor imo. If I was in the market for one right now it would have to be a .1 factory aero kit in glacier white, although that could be a unicorn!
Don't bother with a C4S! The looks are tempting, but the drive isn't worth the compromise - the extra weight from the AWD system is really noticeable. Standard 996 is the way to go (unless you are looking turbo, which I don't think you are) - coming from a 40th anniversary owner here.
Timely video. I’m starting my journey for a 911 and will be interested in seeing the steps / resources you leverage. I’ve waited a couple of years for the 992.2 to come out only to find out it will ONLY be in an automatic transmission when I really want MANUAL!
I like the plan of attack on this one. Looking forward to watching you go through the process. In regards to the type of 996, I would say just go for a good "affordable" example and then make it yours!
I just bought my second 996 cabriolet. Manual trans of course. Hard to beat. I also noticed the Montana plate. Billings area. I still have land in Roundup just north
After 6 months of research a year ago I purchased a 04 C4S manual as a daily driver. Thoroughly sorted and enjoy each day. Even take it skiing with a ski box. very happy with my purchase and experience. Reach out if you want to chat about it. Added to my Porsche family of vehicles.
Highly recommend a 40th. I owned one, then sold it, then bought a 997 GTS (which is awesome), but had to go back, and now I own both a 997 GTS and a 40th. The primary reason is the beauty and the M030 suspension. The 996 sport suspension is sublime, the best analog feel and so supple. The LSD and X51 are serious bonuses! Good luck!
I own a 99 C2 and have been avidly following your channel for several years despite the lack of 996 content! An early car would be interesting for you to compare to your 993, although I think you should go with a 996 turbo. Some friends who have them tell me it’s a riot machine. Whatever you do, make sure the car has a full leather interior because the alternative is taxicab spec. 😂
Great topic ... reminds me of the 964 ... they used to hate that and then the trend changed. I own an early 3.4 RHD 996 Coupe Manual in Australia. Mine was built in October 97 and is pre traction control. It has 100% leather surfaces throughout, rear wiper delete, cable throttle and the rare hollow spoke 408 Technology 18" turbo twist wheels. I had a leak down done prior to buying it and with 124,000klms on the clock, it had b/t 1-2% leak on every cylinder, no bore scoring, and had a new IMS replacement. I have owned now 4x 911's, including 74 2.7 Carrera, 71T, 930, and now the 996, I have to say, at 1320kg, and 300hp, a very firm chassis and 7300rpm red-line, this is genuinely my favourite of the lot. Don't dismiss the 996 until you've owned one, and driven it hard ... they do not disappoint.
Okay, this is awesome. I would suggest looking for an early build, cable throttle 1999 manual C2 with the 014 sport package ( lsd, M030, sport seats). They are still undervalued in the market
I had a genuine GT3 aero body kit on mine. I think they are the only version which look good. I’d definitely recommend that kit for you as the standard cars look a little bland imo 👍🏼
Will - I vote for you getting an early build ‘99 996. I previously had a Feb 98 build, and it is the perfect in-between 911 from air to water cooled. Plus I personally like the 996.1 headlights, especially the early build ambers. With that said, I think no matter what 996 you chose, you are going to hate the interior. It doesn’t have the same old-school charm of the air cooled, and feels like you are in a 2000 Ford Taurus. But I love the 996, and think you should at least give it a try. They are still the best bang for your buck 911 by far!
The internet: "The 996 is an affordable and overlooked pure 911 experience that anyone can buy!" 996 market: "Hold my Mobil1" *becomes the highest demand, fastest selling used Porsche generation over the last 12 months* Nothing is safe from social-media fuelled micro trends.
I have a 96k mile, 2 owner, white GT3. Just did a $35k motorsport geared transmission rebuild with Guards LSD. RS clutch and lightweight flywheel. 997 Shifter. Billet welded coolant pipes and new seals on engine. Super clean inside and out. Just needs new rotors and pads before it's next track day. I'd ask for first right of refusal when you sell 🏎️
I went through the same process. I actually prefer the look of .1, but after looking at a few, I find the extra torque of the .2 to be more enjoyable to drive. Then I went to C4S and found that the extra weight and AWD sucked a lot of the 911 feel and made it too normal. I found the sweet spot for me was a 996.2 C2. The only issue is those are hard to find with a high spec as most people that had $80k to spend back then would just move up to a C4S or turbo. Worth trying to find a car with full leather and some nice options. A 40th anniversary, in my opinion is the best value and experience in the 996 family.
I've owned an 83' SC, and now a 99' C2 coupe. The 83 was not the best example, I spent more time working on it than enjoying it. Every time I drove it, I was reminded of my long to do list. The 996 on the other hand, has been nothing but routine maintenance and smiles. Yes, there are several items that could could cause major engine problems ... but they seem overhyped at this point. It's a great car.
There is an absolutely stunning green PTS 991 that's been on ebay for several months now (off and on). Price is in the high 50s, but that's the one I'd buy.
I don't blame you getting a PPI. However, just thought Id mention that something like only 3 percent of the vehicles had IMS trouble. You would think 25 years later that the majority that were compromised would have been exposed by now. However, due diligence is always smart. Just something to keep in the back of your mind too.
The early 3.4 throttle cable Carrera, lightest watercooled 911 ever produced, lighter than the 996GT3, even lighter than the 993. The only year possible to get no traction control on a watercooled 911. No egas, no drive by wire, no nannies , other than brakes it's the closest you can get to an analog watercooled 911. Dual row ims , hand built. Hagerty UK and Autocar reported the 3.4 c2 throttle cable they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and even 0 to 100 than the 996 GT3. There's a ton of info online about the early 996s. The more 996s you drive the more you'll see how special the early cars are. 🤟 love my modified jan 98 throttle cable car, no obc,no tc, came with 408 wheels and m30 suspension. Had a 991 4s and 997 S this is by far my favorite driver 🤟🏁
I'd driven about a dozen 996's and settled on a 2000 manual cab with minimal options. No PSM, no AWD and the 3.4 seems a little less refined than the 3.6, which is a good thing. Great bang for the buck, but no breaks on repair costs. Too bad I can't replace the FI with Webers (has anyone don this?).
Have had both 99' early build c2 and currently own a 04' 40th Jahre. They are like two completely different cars out of the box. X51 engine makes a big difference IMO and with the 40th you get a 6 spd LSD standard. The leather trim dash, doors, and painted center console in the 40th all add up to a better experience in the car too. You will want update the suspension regardless if .1 or .2. Consider in 2004 MSRP for a C2 was $72K, the GT3 was $100K and the 40th was $90K you can find them in the $40's +/- depending on the condition vs a $100K GT3 in todays money but they offer 80%+ of the GT3 experience.
For me the gen one is the more resolved car, the headlights were part of the overall design and to my eye at least suit the clean but curvy lines. They also place the model at a particular moment in time and I think become less jarring as time goes by. Love my 2000 Carrera 4 and after 10 years of ownership I don't feel the need to upgrade.
The 996 is a fantastic Porsche with problems. we see a lot of them without IM problems and without bore scoring. some with 250,000 kms don't have a scratch in the cylinders. An endoscopy must be done to see the condition of the cylinders. this is the most serious point. it's clockwork, you must not exceed 2000 rpm for 20 minutes then 3000 rpm for 10 minutes when the outside temperature is temperate. the 996 forgives nothing. no excess. but when driving it's fabulous, magical. the sound, the behavior... Me coming from the M3, M5, E55 amg, Mégane RS… it's another world
You're got 3 options IMO: '98 build Aero Kit 40 Jahre The 40 Jahre had one of the nicest interiors of them all. The interior quality of most other 996.1s was appalling.
4S looks better for sure, C4 is more practical in every condition, but if you want to have some real fun choose regular C2 manual. Pure pleasure in simplicity and lightness of handling. Overal best choice? The 40 Jahre. Good luck!
It's crazy what hive mind does. I agree and I'm right there with you, the 996 has become appealing, but I'm certain it's because I've heard a lot of people say the same thing recently 😅
I've come to determine that you're all about the chase and enjoy the deep dive into the nuances of each model, kind of like a dog chasing its tail. Good luck with the 996 search, the good ones are mostly taken and priced at a premium.
“Dog chasing its tail” might not be the right analogy bc nothing is accomplished in that case…but you’re not wrong about the chase. And I would add I really enjoy the new-to-me car experience, variety, learning a car and also becoming bored easily. Thanks for watching!
I was following that one. Amazing machine….but running the numbers if you want to handle the deferred maintenance plus suspension plus odds and ends plus shipping you in are WAAAAAAY too deep at $59K plus fees. Call it $70K plus. That’s an insane number to be in a 996. I wanted that car so bad but just too much money for it.
I’m currently looking for one myself and I’ve had one in the past. Skip the C4S drives heavy because of the AWD and doesn’t out preform a C2. I would recommend a well optioned 996.2 it’s an easier car to live with.
C4S are pretty to look at but carry unnecessary weight and complexity. You Don’t need the AWD, don’t need the heavier wide body. Not even the turbo brakes. My vote is plain Jane early build with aero. In a unique color
@jugeeae I’ve got a C4S I’m buying. Will be doing a video about it but the long and short of it is it’s a super high spec but more importantly I have a Spyder and a 993 C2 so I have the “rippers” covered…and thought it would be interesting to have the AWD in the garage alongside them.
I have driven instantly back to back my own RoW 1998 cable and US1999 fly by wire. I could not feel any difference between the throttles. I think the fly by wire is either a stepper motor or a servo but in any case it as instant as the cable. The cable pedal can be a bit "stickier", perhaps just imagination. In 996 The Porsche LSD you will only find in the RoW 1998 option package with TC and ASR. I believe from RoW 1999 fly by wire and PSM you can not actually use a mechanical LSD. The 1998 option is the 993 LSD 20/40 LSD. PSM actually uses ASR to imitate LSD. The 993 LSD wears out discs by about 80 000 km but it is actually still very nice in public roads up to at least 135 000 km what my car has now. GT3 has the Porsche motorsport LSD. The whole gearbox is different. There is a slight difference in the feel of the 3.4 M96/01 and 3.6 M96/03 the latter having more torque at low and mid range - which is also claimed to be a reason for the more common bore score with the 3.6 as it has more thermal load with lesser coolant flow, especially at the 6th cylinder. Also the early double row IMSB is not much of a concern while the latter single row definitely is [Eisen Class Act documents]. Personally as a purist I prefer the C2 over the C4 even in the winter but again I dont see a big difference there as in most cases almost all power is delivered to rear wheels in C4. The 4WD principle is the same as in 959 with slightly bigger front wheel diameters shifting traction front when the center clutch pack is compressed. Take any 996 and you will love the handling which is like in any modern LSA-principle suspension 911 but you still have a small car, almost like an air cooled. You can trail brake it. It is much harder to spin than any of the air cooled. It is much more forgiving. The rear wheels are still noisy (even the 992 rear wheels are) but probably you will find the engine note too civilized. Try to find one without the sunroof as it puts about 25-30 kg to the top of the car. Of the Carrera suspension options I would recommend the M030 (RoW) which is 10 mm lower than RoW and 20 mm lower than US import. Of the coilovers I believe the benchmark is the KW (Manthey uses it) but Im sure Öhlins, Bilstein, KONI, JRZ, etc. all do a good job. Spring dampers are not exactly rocket science. I recommend not to drop it more than 20 mm from RoW-baseline. I have the Bilstein B16 PSS10 kit and it is ok but not perfect. I've been thinking about getting a softer fr AR-Bar which would be about 60% of the stiffness of the OEM (yes, softer, because the roads go worse from year to year and the OEM set up is very much on the safe understeer side.) When I switched to coilovers I also went for PU-bushes which I now regret a little. I'd probably use them on the lower lateral link inboard pick up ponts but elsewhere I would stick to rubber. There is also a stiffer rubber option available by some make (FVD Brombacher ?). You can fit a 996 with 17, 18 and 19 inch wheels. The bigger the sexier it looks, the smaller the more comfortable it is. Consider the roads you drive on. I have had PS2, PSS, Potenza S02A, Conti SC2, F1 Eagle As6 and my absolute favorite is clear: The S02A with laterally very stiff sidewalls and thus very accurate steering, lots of confidence. PS2. PSS and As6 feel quite similar. Conti SC2 was a total flop. Very soft sideways and I ran the rears out in less the 6000 km while the PS2/PSS can take well over 15 000 km. Looks like As6 can take about 13 000-15 000 km. The S02A lasted about 10 000 km. Unfortunately you can not get them anymore. The newer Potenzas I hear feel similar but have a very short life span and dont really like track heat for more than a couple of laps. The things you need to be aware: - Expansion tank will start to leak if it has gone yellowish ... 100% - If there is a warm start up difficulty look first at the Y-cable. Same problem as with 997, connectors corrode internally. - Do the IMSB while next clutch job. (I did my double row at around 80 000 km and it was mint) - AOS also has a limited life span. - Water pump (I also recommend the cooler thermostat e.g. LN-Engineering) - Remember to clean the radiators every season. - Check the condition of the brake lines between driver seat and rear wheel. The cover can collect leaves thus corrosion. - My car burnt its CAT insulation at around 110 000 km. The debris can block the silencers.... - The 3.4 engine wears out the small Variocam sliders by 100 000 km. The IMS-CAM sliders were mint in my car. - To get new keys is criminally expensive. Be jeallous about the privacy of the key code!
Ok, first of all, thank you for all of this. Your knowledge is incredible. Secondly, I pinned it for all to see. Anyone who is looking for one of these cars will benefit immensely from this. Thank you for watching and for leaving this comment!
My favourite past Porsche I have owned was a '75 911S... yes, a dreaded mid-year 911. Remember how Porschephiles used to trash-talk the poor 74-77 911s? Highlighting all of their engineering failures and keeping the values down? Yeah, exactly like they're doing today with the 996. My current Porsche? A 996 aero C2 coupe. What can I say, I'm a sucker for an underdog!
I would definitely not go for 4S: 1. not worth the price, 2. front end push is noticeable and if you don't have to have AWD there is simply no benefit. I would also skip .1 cars with 3.4.... a decent lower mileage 3.6 with buckets and possibly aero kit is the way to go for or spend the money and get a proper GT3 - not just my opinion, but a lot of people believe that 996 GT3 is the most fun you can have behind the wheel.... I've owned every GT3 apart from 992 and 996 is the most fun one for me and a lot of people who know a thing or 2 about GT cars. Currently, own 991.2 GT3 with 3 pedals, but would love to go back to 996 / 997
I don’t have personal experience with the 996 GT3, but once my wife was given a drive in one by a young telecom exec who did nothing but bitch about how impractical the car was, especially the low front end. No lift system on those!
This is the correct choice, but I believe for TH-cam, he needs to buy a Carrera. The Turbo is basically perfect, but won't allow videos to be made about IMS, Bore Scoring, all the remedies, etc etc.
I was devastated when Porsche came out with the 996. Doors forward they look exactly like a boxster including the dash. If you like that look then more power to you. The only 996 I would trust is a turbo or a GT car, the rest have or will have problems. It was a class action lawsuit against Porsche. I watched my friend replace the top half of his pristine low mileage 2003 4S ($12000). Buyer beware. I’m shocked you haven’t done the research on this will?
I'd skip the 996. Owned a early production 1999 C2 manual for eight years. Pure junk. Was glad to get rid of it as the typical problems were starting to develop. I wouldn't consider another ever unless it's a turbo and even that version isn't on my list.
Part of the appeal is the price point and the idea of not having to “treasure” it as much as the others I have owned and currently owned. We shall see. Always pluses and minuses but I truly, honestly appreciate your perspective. You’ve been around the channel for awhile and I thank you for your support 🙏🏼
@Rennthusiast just trying to save you time, money and agravation, my friend. I have no ax to grind with the 996 but do have problems with those who prop it up without owning one for more than a year before selling it. The 996 is the least expensive used 911 for a reason, and there are consistently three groups singing it's praises, 1. Those looking to currently sell their's, 2. making bank on providing parts solutions and engine rebuilding service at an average of $30k or more and 3. To generate youtube click bate and ad revenue. Not only did I own one for a tad over eight years I'm also extremely technical and do all my own work on all my cars and having researched the first watercooled M96 flat 6 at nauseum I can only conclude the engine should go in Porsche's trophy case as a learning tool to never skimp, even out of desperate times, as they were in in the late 90's when trying to get the first water cooled flat 6 out the door. Take the Mazda CX-5 for example, It uses the same 2.5 four block and head for their naturally aspirated and turbo version which puts out nearly 70 hp more. Why? Because they built it to withstand the turbo from the beginning. When Porsche developed the 996 turbo, they used an entireley different engine, the Mezger which has the pervious generations dry sump oiling system yet their marketing touted the N/A M96's new "intergrated dry sump oiling system" as the latest greatest solution. That alone speaks volumes on their feeling about the naturally aspirated flat 6's reliability and those who weekend track them learned all to quickly about about oil starvation. And because of Porsche's choice in using Lokasil cylinder coating, I'm willing to bet almost all M96's out their over 60k has some form of bore scoring and piston squirt slap and if you are one of the lucky that don't, it will happen sooner or later.
@@Rennthusiast Will, just remember the 996 is the least expensive used 911 to get into. While on the surface that may sound appealing, their are reasons for it. And trust me when I say you'll see those touting words like "early production" or "built on the same assembly line as the outgoing 993". Though they want to feel they have a special version, in reality It honestly means nothing other than yes you have a dual row IMS bearing but they also fail.
Do not get a C4S. You will be thoroughly disappointed in it. It is bigger, heavier and slower than all other models. While beautiful to look at, the AWD system makes the car feel numb. Get a RWD example regardless of year/engine. Don’t go AWD and start posting about how terrible the 996 is please.
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I always enjoy the content here, but I’m so excited to follow the journey to 996 ownership! Absolutely love my ‘99 C2 6-speed in speed yellow with a SRD 3.7. Congrats, Will! You’ve seen the light!
You won't regret having a 996. Looking forward to the 996 content.
Was originally looking for a 4S but went with the 40th Anniversary instead. Both are great but 40th probably represents the best value in 911 ownership. GTS spec and with 30th and 50th versions going for monster dollars this model remains a big one for upside in the long term. Plus the 40AE community is great.
I prefer the 996.1 headlight design. But either way it’s a beautiful car. I had the opportunity to buy a low mileage 2000 in about 2006. Missed out.
Wishing you all the best with finding your favorite 996. I have a 2004 996 cab manual and love driving it every chance I can. Looking forward to being part of your purchase journey. Thank you so much for the great content!
Same! 04 C2 cab manual! Love it!!!
I own a 99 ambers on front and back. Black convertible w hard top.. I love how the tables have turned with the 996. The car is awesome. A nice blend of old and still new enough for safety..
An early car like a '99 with a throttle cable that might need a motor from Flat Six Innovations sounds fun to me. Enjoy your next adventures. My friends & I always get a kick from your videos along with a good laugh.
This will be fun to watch your journey. 2002 C4 cab here in Midnight Blue metallic with 43k gentle miles. Congrats man and good luck!
I will look forward to this as I’ve been a 996 owner for ten years and it’s a great car and I’m pleased that people are now seeing how good it really is
I think you will enjoy the 996 experience. My vote goes for a plain C2. I like the headlights and minior styling changes on the .2, including the larger engine, but both are great IMO. Perfect blend of "organic" feeling and modern conveniences. Obviously caveat emptor applies in terms of condition (mechanically and cosmetically).
Bonus if you get an exciting color! Zenith blue, oriential red, arena red, wimbledon green, ocean jade, cobalt blue or viola purple :)
I’m a rabid 996 fan. I’ve had a 2003 996tt X50 aero for the last 10 yrs. I’m still in love with the car. I love the direction you’re taking by finding an early 996. I wish I had one beside my 996tt to experience the difference. I’ve run out of room as I have a 981CS next it. CheeRs
Go Will! I’m a 996 connoisseur myself. First for me was a 99 C2 manual coupe that I flogged for about seven years in the mountains. Suspension and exhaust mods over time made it a great ownership experience. I couldn’t get enough 996 so I sold it bought a GT3 to experience the pinnacle of the platform. It’s a keeper.
I actually like the .1 styling better in the base form when properly lowered and the 3.4 is the livelier motor imo. If I was in the market for one right now it would have to be a .1 factory aero kit in glacier white, although that could be a unicorn!
Don't bother with a C4S! The looks are tempting, but the drive isn't worth the compromise - the extra weight from the AWD system is really noticeable. Standard 996 is the way to go (unless you are looking turbo, which I don't think you are) - coming from a 40th anniversary owner here.
Could not agree more. A 996.2 driver here.
Timely video. I’m starting my journey for a 911 and will be interested in seeing the steps / resources you leverage. I’ve waited a couple of years for the 992.2 to come out only to find out it will ONLY be in an automatic transmission when I really want MANUAL!
I like the plan of attack on this one. Looking forward to watching you go through the process. In regards to the type of 996, I would say just go for a good "affordable" example and then make it yours!
I just bought my second 996 cabriolet. Manual trans of course. Hard to beat. I also noticed the Montana plate. Billings area. I still have land in Roundup just north
Look for a 1999 with an aerokit. Go for the super early 98 build with the 993 steering wheel. I had one, loved it and still miss it!
My boy came around!!! 996's are absolutely amazing cars for the money! I love mine to death!!! Nephrite green interior is pretty wild!!!
I've 996 C4S has always been one of my favorites. I had a 2003 996, I never had any issues with it just oil changes. Happy hunting.
After 6 months of research a year ago I purchased a 04 C4S manual as a daily driver. Thoroughly sorted and enjoy each day. Even take it skiing with a ski box. very happy with my purchase and experience. Reach out if you want to chat about it. Added to my Porsche family of vehicles.
I've just bought a 996 c4s, go for it wide body is for the win!!!
Highly recommend a 40th. I owned one, then sold it, then bought a 997 GTS (which is awesome), but had to go back, and now I own both a 997 GTS and a 40th. The primary reason is the beauty and the M030 suspension. The 996 sport suspension is sublime, the best analog feel and so supple. The LSD and X51 are serious bonuses! Good luck!
I own a 99 C2 and have been avidly following your channel for several years despite the lack of 996 content! An early car would be interesting for you to compare to your 993, although I think you should go with a 996 turbo. Some friends who have them tell me it’s a riot machine. Whatever you do, make sure the car has a full leather interior because the alternative is taxicab spec. 😂
Great topic ... reminds me of the 964 ... they used to hate that and then the trend changed. I own an early 3.4 RHD 996 Coupe Manual in Australia. Mine was built in October 97 and is pre traction control. It has 100% leather surfaces throughout, rear wiper delete, cable throttle and the rare hollow spoke 408 Technology 18" turbo twist wheels. I had a leak down done prior to buying it and with 124,000klms on the clock, it had b/t 1-2% leak on every cylinder, no bore scoring, and had a new IMS replacement. I have owned now 4x 911's, including 74 2.7 Carrera, 71T, 930, and now the 996, I have to say, at 1320kg, and 300hp, a very firm chassis and 7300rpm red-line, this is genuinely my favourite of the lot. Don't dismiss the 996 until you've owned one, and driven it hard ... they do not disappoint.
Okay, this is awesome. I would suggest looking for an early build, cable throttle 1999 manual C2 with the 014 sport package ( lsd, M030, sport seats). They are still undervalued in the market
I had a genuine GT3 aero body kit on mine. I think they are the only version which look good. I’d definitely recommend that kit for you as the standard cars look a little bland imo 👍🏼
to me, the gen2 996 headlichts are actualy pretty ^^
Will - I vote for you getting an early build ‘99 996. I previously had a Feb 98 build, and it is the perfect in-between 911 from air to water cooled. Plus I personally like the 996.1 headlights, especially the early build ambers. With that said, I think no matter what 996 you chose, you are going to hate the interior. It doesn’t have the same old-school charm of the air cooled, and feels like you are in a 2000 Ford Taurus. But I love the 996, and think you should at least give it a try. They are still the best bang for your buck 911 by far!
I think you should go with your initial instinct. Get yourself a throttle cable car and send it!
Welp, with everyone on the bandwagon, 996 market interest seems to be ramping up. Kiss your last affordable 911 out the door in a few years I guess 😢
The internet: "The 996 is an affordable and overlooked pure 911 experience that anyone can buy!"
996 market: "Hold my Mobil1" *becomes the highest demand, fastest selling used Porsche generation over the last 12 months*
Nothing is safe from social-media fuelled micro trends.
I have a 96k mile, 2 owner, white GT3. Just did a $35k motorsport geared transmission rebuild with Guards LSD. RS clutch and lightweight flywheel. 997 Shifter. Billet welded coolant pipes and new seals on engine. Super clean inside and out. Just needs new rotors and pads before it's next track day. I'd ask for first right of refusal when you sell 🏎️
I went through the same process. I actually prefer the look of .1, but after looking at a few, I find the extra torque of the .2 to be more enjoyable to drive. Then I went to C4S and found that the extra weight and AWD sucked a lot of the 911 feel and made it too normal. I found the sweet spot for me was a 996.2 C2. The only issue is those are hard to find with a high spec as most people that had $80k to spend back then would just move up to a C4S or turbo. Worth trying to find a car with full leather and some nice options. A 40th anniversary, in my opinion is the best value and experience in the 996 family.
Good choice. I have had two '99s and on '02. How about a 996GT3 in Carmine Red? I'll have to get you in touch with a friend.
I've owned an 83' SC, and now a 99' C2 coupe. The 83 was not the best example, I spent more time working on it than enjoying it. Every time I drove it, I was reminded of my long to do list.
The 996 on the other hand, has been nothing but routine maintenance and smiles. Yes, there are several items that could could cause major engine problems ... but they seem overhyped at this point. It's a great car.
2000-996 c2 6speed .. convertible .. i know there are some haters on convertibles but this is perfect power to fun ratio, handles great .. 😊
There is an absolutely stunning green PTS 991 that's been on ebay for several months now (off and on). Price is in the high 50s, but that's the one I'd buy.
Try the 2004 40th Anniversary all of them are manuals.Had one for years until I was rear ended at a light.
get the 99 with factory aero kit! Great idea for the content. Looking forward to it!
I don't blame you getting a PPI. However, just thought Id mention that something like only 3 percent of the vehicles had IMS trouble. You would think 25 years later that the majority that were compromised would have been exposed by now. However, due diligence is always smart. Just something to keep in the back of your mind too.
996 gt3 or early aero kit car or anything with a cable throttle. lsd would be a bonus but they are good without them.
Mate I totally want a 996 too!!!!
My neighbor needs a front axle lift 991.2 or 992.1. Might as well jump in on the WTB cast. He wants to stay around the $125k area.
Bought a 02 996 recently with X51, GT3 wheels, aero, and M030 suspension. Budget GT3 essentially lol.Probably overpaid but awesome car!!
I’m enjoying my 991.1 S (2013) CAB with the PDK !! Incredible trans!! The 6 previous 911’s I’ve owned were all manuals
!! Anyway I love this 991.1!!
The early 3.4 throttle cable Carrera, lightest watercooled 911 ever produced, lighter than the 996GT3, even lighter than the 993. The only year possible to get no traction control on a watercooled 911. No egas, no drive by wire, no nannies , other than brakes it's the closest you can get to an analog watercooled 911. Dual row ims , hand built. Hagerty UK and Autocar reported the 3.4 c2 throttle cable they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and even 0 to 100 than the 996 GT3. There's a ton of info online about the early 996s. The more 996s you drive the more you'll see how special the early cars are. 🤟 love my modified jan 98 throttle cable car, no obc,no tc, came with 408 wheels and m30 suspension. Had a 991 4s and 997 S this is by far my favorite driver 🤟🏁
I'd driven about a dozen 996's and settled on a 2000 manual cab with minimal options. No PSM, no AWD and the 3.4 seems a little less refined than the 3.6, which is a good thing. Great bang for the buck, but no breaks on repair costs. Too bad I can't replace the FI with Webers (has anyone don this?).
I have a low option (LSD, Sunroof) '99 (02/98 build date) with a FSI 3.8l and Elephant Racing suspension bits. It's a lot of fun.
I've got a 2/98 build with LSD and hollow spoke!
What is the last 6 one your VIN?
Have had both 99' early build c2 and currently own a 04' 40th Jahre. They are like two completely different cars out of the box. X51 engine makes a big difference IMO and with the 40th you get a 6 spd LSD standard. The leather trim dash, doors, and painted center console in the 40th all add up to a better experience in the car too. You will want update the suspension regardless if .1 or .2. Consider in 2004 MSRP for a C2 was $72K, the GT3 was $100K and the 40th was $90K you can find them in the $40's +/- depending on the condition vs a $100K GT3 in todays money but they offer 80%+ of the GT3 experience.
Came here to say this. The 40th is the hidden gem in the 996 range.
Jahre is absolutely phenomenal true 911.
For me the gen one is the more resolved car, the headlights were part of the overall design and to my eye at least suit the clean but curvy lines. They also place the model at a particular moment in time and I think become less jarring as time goes by. Love my 2000 Carrera 4 and after 10 years of ownership I don't feel the need to upgrade.
The 996 is a fantastic Porsche with problems. we see a lot of them without IM problems and without bore scoring. some with 250,000 kms don't have a scratch in the cylinders. An endoscopy must be done to see the condition of the cylinders. this is the most serious point. it's clockwork, you must not exceed 2000 rpm for 20 minutes then 3000 rpm for 10 minutes when the outside temperature is temperate. the 996 forgives nothing. no excess. but when driving it's fabulous, magical. the sound, the behavior... Me coming from the M3, M5, E55 amg, Mégane RS…
it's another world
Brother has a ‘99 C4 and a ‘04 Turbo. The Turbo is an incredible machine to this day, and no IMS issue with the Turbo. Check one out.
I had a 997.1 TT which is the same thing. Good cars.
You're got 3 options IMO:
'98 build
Aero Kit
40 Jahre
The 40 Jahre had one of the nicest interiors of them all. The interior quality of most other 996.1s was appalling.
Interested in 2004 turbo convertible with 50k miles?
Bite the bullet and go for a 996 GT3. No downside on a solid example and the driving experience is pure Porsche.
For the looks on the rear alone…. Got to be a 4S
4S looks better for sure, C4 is more practical in every condition, but if you want to have some real fun choose regular C2 manual. Pure pleasure in simplicity and lightness of handling. Overal best choice? The 40 Jahre. Good luck!
It's crazy what hive mind does. I agree and I'm right there with you, the 996 has become appealing, but I'm certain it's because I've heard a lot of people say the same thing recently 😅
Lol
I've come to determine that you're all about the chase and enjoy the deep dive into the nuances of each model, kind of like a dog chasing its tail. Good luck with the 996 search, the good ones are mostly taken and priced at a premium.
“Dog chasing its tail” might not be the right analogy bc nothing is accomplished in that case…but you’re not wrong about the chase. And I would add I really enjoy the new-to-me car experience, variety, learning a car and also becoming bored easily.
Thanks for watching!
@@Rennthusiast You're right, I was actually describing my behavior, embrace the chase!
Lol 🙌🏼
LSD only available on the 1999 cars or the 40 Jahre
Earlier (pre 8/98 build) amber lens car with manual, LSD and 408 hollow spoke wheels.
Thank you man.
996 Turbo has a lot of upside imho.
There was a really nice green one that just ended on cars and bids earlier today
I was following that one. Amazing machine….but running the numbers if you want to handle the deferred maintenance plus suspension plus odds and ends plus shipping you in are WAAAAAAY too deep at $59K plus fees. Call it $70K plus. That’s an insane number to be in a 996. I wanted that car so bad but just too much money for it.
@@Rennthusiast yeah it was a beauty. Hope you find something.
Gt3, it’s the best of the bunch and no ims issues
Just bought mine 🙂
The best choice for you would be a 996 C2 WLS Competition with manual gearbox. It has 345hp and there is only 16 ever made.
What happened to looking for a 997?
It's electric steering rack sucks
I’m currently looking for one myself and I’ve had one in the past. Skip the C4S drives heavy because of the AWD and doesn’t out preform a C2. I would recommend a well optioned 996.2 it’s an easier car to live with.
C4S are pretty to look at but carry unnecessary weight and complexity. You Don’t need the AWD, don’t need the heavier wide body. Not even the turbo brakes. My vote is plain Jane early build with aero. In a unique color
GT3!
I'd go with 996.2 coupe or cab C2 with 6-speed. Preferred options would be a full leather interior, xenon headlights and a fancy exterior color.
I forgot the M030 suspension and PSE but you could retrofit these (like I did ;)
@jugeeae I’ve got a C4S I’m buying. Will be doing a video about it but the long and short of it is it’s a super high spec but more importantly I have a Spyder and a 993 C2 so I have the “rippers” covered…and thought it would be interesting to have the AWD in the garage alongside them.
@@Rennthusiast In that case I am eagerly waiting for the 996 C4S content 😉 I hope you can point out later on how you feel about it compared to C2
@@jugeeae my good friend just bought a 2003 C2 in Speed Yellow and I plan to do a back to back review video.
@@Rennthusiast As a Speed Yellow C2 owner this sounds exactly what I am looking for!
I have driven instantly back to back my own RoW 1998 cable and US1999 fly by wire. I could not feel any difference between the throttles. I think the fly by wire is either a stepper motor or a servo but in any case it as instant as the cable. The cable pedal can be a bit "stickier", perhaps just imagination.
In 996 The Porsche LSD you will only find in the RoW 1998 option package with TC and ASR. I believe from RoW 1999 fly by wire and PSM you can not actually use a mechanical LSD. The 1998 option is the 993 LSD 20/40 LSD. PSM actually uses ASR to imitate LSD. The 993 LSD wears out discs by about 80 000 km but it is actually still very nice in public roads up to at least 135 000 km what my car has now.
GT3 has the Porsche motorsport LSD. The whole gearbox is different.
There is a slight difference in the feel of the 3.4 M96/01 and 3.6 M96/03 the latter having more torque at low and mid range - which is also claimed to be a reason for the more common bore score with the 3.6 as it has more thermal load with lesser coolant flow, especially at the 6th cylinder. Also the early double row IMSB is not much of a concern while the latter single row definitely is [Eisen Class Act documents].
Personally as a purist I prefer the C2 over the C4 even in the winter but again I dont see a big difference there as in most cases almost all power is delivered to rear wheels in C4. The 4WD principle is the same as in 959 with slightly bigger front wheel diameters shifting traction front when the center clutch pack is compressed.
Take any 996 and you will love the handling which is like in any modern LSA-principle suspension 911 but you still have a small car, almost like an air cooled. You can trail brake it. It is much harder to spin than any of the air cooled. It is much more forgiving. The rear wheels are still noisy (even the 992 rear wheels are) but probably you will find the engine note too civilized.
Try to find one without the sunroof as it puts about 25-30 kg to the top of the car. Of the Carrera suspension options I would recommend the M030 (RoW) which is 10 mm lower than RoW and 20 mm lower than US import. Of the coilovers I believe the benchmark is the KW (Manthey uses it) but Im sure Öhlins, Bilstein, KONI, JRZ, etc. all do a good job. Spring dampers are not exactly rocket science. I recommend not to drop it more than 20 mm from RoW-baseline. I have the Bilstein B16 PSS10 kit and it is ok but not perfect. I've been thinking about getting a softer fr AR-Bar which would be about 60% of the stiffness of the OEM (yes, softer, because the roads go worse from year to year and the OEM set up is very much on the safe understeer side.)
When I switched to coilovers I also went for PU-bushes which I now regret a little. I'd probably use them on the lower lateral link inboard pick up ponts but elsewhere I would stick to rubber. There is also a stiffer rubber option available by some make (FVD Brombacher ?).
You can fit a 996 with 17, 18 and 19 inch wheels. The bigger the sexier it looks, the smaller the more comfortable it is. Consider the roads you drive on.
I have had PS2, PSS, Potenza S02A, Conti SC2, F1 Eagle As6 and my absolute favorite is clear: The S02A with laterally very stiff sidewalls and thus very accurate steering, lots of confidence. PS2. PSS and As6 feel quite similar. Conti SC2 was a total flop. Very soft sideways and I ran the rears out in less the 6000 km while the PS2/PSS can take well over 15 000 km. Looks like As6 can take about 13 000-15 000 km. The S02A lasted about 10 000 km. Unfortunately you can not get them anymore. The newer Potenzas I hear feel similar but have a very short life span and dont really like track heat for more than a couple of laps.
The things you need to be aware:
- Expansion tank will start to leak if it has gone yellowish ... 100%
- If there is a warm start up difficulty look first at the Y-cable. Same problem as with 997, connectors corrode internally.
- Do the IMSB while next clutch job. (I did my double row at around 80 000 km and it was mint)
- AOS also has a limited life span.
- Water pump (I also recommend the cooler thermostat e.g. LN-Engineering)
- Remember to clean the radiators every season.
- Check the condition of the brake lines between driver seat and rear wheel. The cover can collect leaves thus corrosion.
- My car burnt its CAT insulation at around 110 000 km. The debris can block the silencers....
- The 3.4 engine wears out the small Variocam sliders by 100 000 km. The IMS-CAM sliders were mint in my car.
- To get new keys is criminally expensive. Be jeallous about the privacy of the key code!
Ok, first of all, thank you for all of this. Your knowledge is incredible.
Secondly, I pinned it for all to see. Anyone who is looking for one of these cars will benefit immensely from this.
Thank you for watching and for leaving this comment!
996 GT3 or GT2 is the only answer when looking for a cool 996
Those are both great options
My favourite past Porsche I have owned was a '75 911S... yes, a dreaded mid-year 911. Remember how Porschephiles used to trash-talk the poor 74-77 911s? Highlighting all of their engineering failures and keeping the values down? Yeah, exactly like they're doing today with the 996. My current Porsche? A 996 aero C2 coupe. What can I say, I'm a sucker for an underdog!
40 year anniversary 4s ?
Welcome to the Dark Side!!!
2001 convertable with ALL paper work etc etc etc
All maintenance records!!
Get a turbo, every time you use it, it will be toothy smiles .
GT3 is the best!
C4S, Will
I would definitely not go for 4S: 1. not worth the price, 2. front end push is noticeable and if you don't have to have AWD there is simply no benefit. I would also skip .1 cars with 3.4.... a decent lower mileage 3.6 with buckets and possibly aero kit is the way to go for or spend the money and get a proper GT3 - not just my opinion, but a lot of people believe that 996 GT3 is the most fun you can have behind the wheel.... I've owned every GT3 apart from 992 and 996 is the most fun one for me and a lot of people who know a thing or 2 about GT cars. Currently, own 991.2 GT3 with 3 pedals, but would love to go back to 996 / 997
Thank you a ton for the insight. Appreciate you taking a moment to comment and share your experience 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I don’t have personal experience with the 996 GT3, but once my wife was given a drive in one by a young telecom exec who did nothing but bitch about how impractical the car was, especially the low front end. No lift system on those!
Turbo why compromise
This is the correct choice, but I believe for TH-cam, he needs to buy a Carrera. The Turbo is basically perfect, but won't allow videos to be made about IMS, Bore Scoring, all the remedies, etc etc.
I had a C2 996 but now have a 997 GTS its much nicer
Glad to see the (crusty) haters are still alive and well in the comments
I have one!!! 911 996 2001 convertable you want it??
Taking Nathan’s advice, eh?
Partially haha.
Get a gt3.
LOL! 996? Okay.
Why do you feel that way?
Because he's a follower, not a leader.
@@afoolandhismoneychannel me or him?
@@Rennthusiast Him.
@afoolandhismoneychannel lol gotcha! 😂
I couldn’t figure out how I was being a follower so I’m glad I wasn’t giving that impression.
I was devastated when Porsche came out with the 996. Doors forward they look exactly like a boxster including the dash. If you like that look then more power to you. The only 996 I would trust is a turbo or a GT car, the rest have or will have problems. It was a class action lawsuit against Porsche. I watched my friend replace the top half of his pristine low mileage 2003
4S ($12000). Buyer beware. I’m shocked you haven’t done the research on this will?
I'd skip the 996. Owned a early production 1999 C2 manual for eight years. Pure junk. Was glad to get rid of it as the typical problems were starting to develop. I wouldn't consider another ever unless it's a turbo and even that version isn't on my list.
Part of the appeal is the price point and the idea of not having to “treasure” it as much as the others I have owned and currently owned. We shall see. Always pluses and minuses but I truly, honestly appreciate your perspective. You’ve been around the channel for awhile and I thank you for your support 🙏🏼
@Rennthusiast just trying to save you time, money and agravation, my friend. I have no ax to grind with the 996 but do have problems with those who prop it up without owning one for more than a year before selling it. The 996 is the least expensive used 911 for a reason, and there are consistently three groups singing it's praises, 1. Those looking to currently sell their's, 2. making bank on providing parts solutions and engine rebuilding service at an average of $30k or more and 3. To generate youtube click bate and ad revenue. Not only did I own one for a tad over eight years I'm also extremely technical and do all my own work on all my cars and having researched the first watercooled M96 flat 6 at nauseum I can only conclude the engine should go in Porsche's trophy case as a learning tool to never skimp, even out of desperate times, as they were in in the late 90's when trying to get the first water cooled flat 6 out the door. Take the Mazda CX-5 for example, It uses the same 2.5 four block and head for their naturally aspirated and turbo version which puts out nearly 70 hp more. Why? Because they built it to withstand the turbo from the beginning. When Porsche developed the 996 turbo, they used an entireley different engine, the Mezger which has the pervious generations dry sump oiling system yet their marketing touted the N/A M96's new "intergrated dry sump oiling system" as the latest greatest solution. That alone speaks volumes on their feeling about the naturally aspirated flat 6's reliability and those who weekend track them learned all to quickly about about oil starvation. And because of Porsche's choice in using Lokasil cylinder coating, I'm willing to bet almost all M96's out their over 60k has some form of bore scoring and piston squirt slap and if you are one of the lucky that don't, it will happen sooner or later.
@@Rennthusiast Will, just remember the 996 is the least expensive used 911 to get into. While on the surface that may sound appealing, their are reasons for it. And trust me when I say you'll see those touting words like "early production" or "built on the same assembly line as the outgoing 993". Though they want to feel they have a special version, in reality It honestly means nothing other than yes you have a dual row IMS bearing but they also fail.
@@24hourgmtchannel64 DAMN!!! bitter much?!
I like a good adventure so let’s gooooooo
Thank you for the advice! Hope the one I find is one that doesn’t blow up 😰😰😰
Oh no, forget the 996, unless you are going for a Turbo
Do not get a C4S. You will be thoroughly disappointed in it. It is bigger, heavier and slower than all other models. While beautiful to look at, the AWD system makes the car feel numb. Get a RWD example regardless of year/engine. Don’t go AWD and start posting about how terrible the 996 is please.
There is an overload of used Porsche 996993. You name it and they’re all under 50 grand.
50 grand! I could swear last week they were 20k for a nice one.
@@kaifengwu6565 it was just a general statement
@@timmcchesney46 I know! The prices are going up and soon we will be talking about 50k 996s though.