the only downside to supporting the art is the fact that you're helping their pockets grow even after the crazy things they did, but these points are complete facts.
As a Daft Punk fan I wholeheartedly agree with this. Discovery is one of my favorite albums of all time, but I just can’t forgive them for being Fr*nch 🤮
YES! Finally someone said it, some artists pour their life experiences and values into their music, in that case listening to the music becomes impossible because it feels like a facade now.
@@nadeemabdelmohsen3788 that’s crazy to say that his music is a facade. Doesent matter what you think of the man, doesent matter what he’s said or will say. What he wrote and made, and what he went through at that time, is wholly unrelated to his anti-semitism. There’s no way you can look at College dropout or Life of Pablo and say that his art then was disingenuous. 2016 Kanye and what he went through, is wholly different from 2022 Kanye. You can say anything he says or makes from this point on is a facade but to discredit his emotions and life experiences and say his art and what he expressed on those projects is outright stupid.
Separating art from the artist goes two ways. One way is enjoying an artist's work and disregarding their morals or actions. The other way is holding the artist accountable for their morals and actions while putting aside their enjoyment of their art. Fans will often do the former while giving people crap for doing the latter.
I honestly find it hard to separate art from artist. As a musician myself, I feel that music is an extension of a musician’s thoughts, feelings, and personality just put into instruments and voices.
Separating the two is good. People really build some parasocial relationship with people they don't personally know and they get surprised when they do anything like wtf.
i dont think the problem is listening to problematic artists, the problem is people never seem to hold their top artists accountable which is the most damaging part. the problem with today's world is people choose what they want to believe, even if clear evidence is provided, which really sucks.
@@555foreverr That's a valid point but I do think its simple to separate an artist to their art. Just as said in this video, you may look at the artist in a different way, however the art always stays the same. Majority of the time, the artist has simply changed for the worst compared to the time they made the specific piece of art, therefore it still holds meaning. Some people can't do this and will do their best to detach once they find out that their favorite artist has done/said something controversial, especially if their group/community has been especially targeted which is completely fine. But others don't take it personally, they simply listen to the artist, unbothered by the artist themselves. However, someone who is aware of the wrongs their favorite artist did yet continues to support and defend them is something completely different and rather sickening. I think everyone has different abilities and opinions on separating an artist to their art and each opinion is completely valid and holds respect.
@@blizzard1198 they can believe what the want, but if it hinders them from seeing what the artist did as bad that is my opinion is not the best mindset
I feel a similar way. A few years ago a video came out of my favorite artist beating his wife. A couple months ago he came out and basically said "can you guys just let it go already. My personal life is my buisness. Separate the artist form the art blah blah blah" and everyone in the comments was agreeing with him when there was a video of him bashing his wifes face in drunk. And he described what he did in the video as "moving her to the bed so I could do what she asked me". Like bros, the music aint good enough for this to just be his "personal life".
I've always been a fan of Kanye's music and it's helped me get through a lot in life, but I feel like some fans need to understand that not everything he says and does is the gospel.
People won’t listen. They’ll just keep blindly endorsing him because he makes things they like. It’s the complete reverse of the “cutting someone off entirely” angle. Separating the art from the artist was always about excusing bad behavior and not feeling guilty for it. Always.
But Kanye West is Lord, Kanye West is all-powerful. He saved my family through a fire once and with just a huff, and puff, he blows the fire away like it's nothing and then flew back to the skies. Such a heroic man.
@@lordbauer5983 To be honest, I never liked the term "Separating Art from the Artist" because it's always been used in a shitty light but imo, I think you can listen to someone's music and admit that they're not a good person. I know what I'm about to say might sound careless, but a few less views on Spotify aren't going to effect his bank account, and his songs help me throughout the day, so I don't feel that guilty for giving him my views on YT/Spotify. I don't follow him on anything else because the thing he posts on twitter/insta...sheesh.
Imo, I can see that argument being used when the artist starts putting their views into their work, then that’s when you can’t separate the artist from the art. But if their personal views and work are separate, then that’s when the saying could be applied.
@@deeznuts-rk2ej are you retarded or something, I still think he’s a pretty shitty person, I just like the music he’s made, you can like a song without being a fan of the person who made it
Degenerocity is the only TH-camr that can have a serious discussion on topics as controversial as these and still have me laughing the whole way through while agreeing with all his takes.
I generally do go by this standard. The hard part is when you go back and find that the sick parts of that person ARE part of their art. The phrase “age aint nothin but a number” feels too intertwined with R Kelly’s real situation to separate the two. That’s not to say that liking the music makes you bad or supportive of his actions. Dan Schneider putting feet in his shows does get a new context when you know how he felt about those feet. His shows aren’t about that though, so it’s easier to separate. I suppose there’s just a different bar for everyone. Good vid👍
This is exactly how I feel. Like I was about to type smth similar b4 I saw urs. I honestly can’t go back to rewatch og I Carly esp after reading jennette’s book
Yea this exactly. Tbh I’m not sure why Kanye wasn’t the focus of this video for example. Like he’s actually a current artist dealing w A LOT of controversy and could’ve been used as an interesting example because of that. Fine video overall, but it kind of feels like missed opportunity?
Walt Disney had been pushing witchcraft to children “See the MAGIC of Disney” In my story even though it is with Gacha life, the antagonist is identified through his witchcraft, the heroes have superpowers given as a blessing to protect the world from evils such as the villainous sorcerer. But I don’t recommend you see since I made it for myself and there are some retcons such as name changing etc Edit: you’re right about his works can be enjoyed Separating the art from the artist is bravery and show you’re not trapped in bitterness
You just earned your subscription. This was hilarious and it probably took ages to put together. I truly see where you're coming from and I feel the same way. I feel slightly guilty still liking thier art but that's only when it finishes. Anyways good job
Honestly, we don't give Degenerocity enough credit. He actually covers both funny topics and topics that actually need to be heard and manages to make both of them entertaining. Respecto. I'm not saying stop liking, I'm asking why I got hundreds in a day
I think what makes things more difficult is when the art is very much about the artist. Kanye’s music is definitely about himself which makes that line of separation a lot less clear
Ok but he's not saying anti-Semitic sh*t in his music, his music has the typical level braggadocious and questionable lyrics that a lot of rap stars have. You're not wrong but Kanye's music only illustrates his general shittiness and narcissism and I'm not willing to stop listening to someone's music over that if it's as good as Kanye. R Kelly would be different, since he's a pedophile who wrote songs about romance and sex, meaning I could never separate his actions from his music.
Old Kanye isn’t the same man as new Kanye meaning I can listen to the trilogy and 808s while thinking about Old Kanye without having to think about new Kanye. Basically I’m coping
Whenever conversations like this come up, I always wonder how many artistic legends of the past actually did very bad things that were just never discovered. Just think about how certain things used to be completely acceptable or, at the very least, considered "not that bad" at certain points in time. Really makes you thin about just how much of the most respected art, literature, and music in the world may have been made by people who did things that we consider to be absolutely unacceptable.
I think it’s how much the artist impacts the art in particular as well, though. Usually, I’m completely fine with separating art and the artist, but when the artist is very deeply linked or sometimes straight up in the art, it’s a bit harder.
@@stinkyuhoh999 it basically inspired many concepts of the terrifying unknown that I see everywhere, plus its more of a consensus he was the father of the genre
For me, when it comes to separating art from the artist, it depends on each "art". There are some TV shows and movies that were created by a terrible person, but it's easy for me to separate them because they weren't the only one who made it, there's a whole group of people who worked on it.
Ik but sometimes it gets really hard to watch some projects where the people involved in did some fucked up shit. For example, i can't find it in myself to watch baby driver.
@@ahuman32478 That’s me right there. I didn’t know Travis Scott was piece of shit the entire time… and I always thought he was a chill and a cool person, but nope
You're still supporting them through publicity. You might not have spent money, but you spreading their name can potentially make others spend money on their stuff.
This is a very important message tho. Like I know some people who will absolutely not listen/watch/use from someone because they hate the creator and their actions. You can like something without liking the person.
Sometimes it’s hard to enjoy someone’s art if you don’t like them. It’s like trying to laugh at a comedian’s jokes, but in the back of your mind you’re thinking “you’re an asshole” the whole time.
A good point to think about is that, nowadays, "art" isn't really a solo-project, its actually done by massive teams of people, though the stars of course outshine them. If an artist is cancelled, they've already been boycott; they aren't getting any more films or anything, and will already lose a ton of money. When you choose to not consume you're content, you're not only taking money away from them, but the entire team that made it possible. Like, if you don't choose to watch a movie because an actor is in it, you're taking away from the director, set designer, script writer, costume designer and all that other stuff. If you don't choose to play a game because a voice actor told you to, you're making all the developers, level planners, concept artists and the like lose out to. This is one of the most important reasons why you separate the "art" from the "artists", because often times, it isn't really even fully their own "art" or "effort" in the first place.
Exactly this! There is (was) this band called Lostprophets, the singer did extremely awful things but I still can't stop liking Lostprophets' songs because the other members weren't part of it and also, as far as I know, the singer didn't even write the music (he did write some lyrics though)
@@Noname-gm9yb bro, riffs, chord progressions, solos, beats, basslines and other important parts (including vocal melodies) don't write themselves just because you wrote a lyric
Yes ! I model for a brand that everyone hates and me and the crew members get shit on for working for them because the owner has said some annoying shit. like just cause we work somewhere doesn’t mean we allign with their beleifsb
I think you can enjoy art without liking the artist, but by supporting the ART you're supporting(financially,directly or indirectly) the artist, so It's a thin line
This is where I’m at. I think if consumption of the art financially supports a harmful individual or allows them to stay publicly visible in a way that allows their harm to persist, then you have to divorce yourself from the art (or pirate it)
It takes critical thinking to understand the separation of art and artists. You can’t enjoy anything without being able to separate the person and the product.
It also takes a reality check. People need to understand that their favorite artists are not Jesus and that everyone has skeleton in their closets. The only difference between most people is who gets caught or not.
Excellent points and very well said! I agree that it gets a little trickier when the artist included creepy stuff in their work, for example Dan Scumbag used to sexualize children in the shows he produced and directed. There are clips of Arianna Grande saying and doing suggestive things in the show, that most kids wouldn't get watching it, but now as an adult makes me sick. Plus the whole foot as a mascot Nickelodeon thing 👀👀. Maybe some of those shows are still, at their core, good shows and the acting is great...but do I want my future kids watching them? With all the freaky subliminal crap Dan put in them? Heck no!! Edit: Also yeah, the "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" is another great example of this. Because the warped ideology of the artist in question heavily influenced and is apart of their art..by appreciating the art in these cases we are also, in a sense, supporting that ideology
It depends on the type of art, sometimes artists create art that talks about the darkness within us or something really personal, or maybe art that takes some form of moral high ground, so when they get caught doing something terrible I feel like those thoughts linger in your head preventing you from fully enjoying the art in the same way I think it is possible to separate art from the artist, just not every single time
This can also be said with songs. Songs like Pumped Up Kicks, Blurred Lines, S&M etc have some pretty crazy meanings to their lyrics, but there still catchy as heck.
I don't think this applies as much (At least in terms of Pumped Up Kicks like songs). A song can be catchy with distrubing lyrics doesn't mean they're not catchy and it definetly doesn't mean the lyrics are bad or wrong, but I completly see the argument with stuff like Blurred Lines, and songs in different languages especially are easy to completely ignore/miss the meaning of.
Literally the entirety of rap music since most rappers are gangbangers or wanna-be criminals, and will make threats to people in their music, and usually end up in prison for their violent crimes. I never personally gave af about those things they they said or did while listening to their art, and I don’t think people usually ever cared about morals and all that stuff while listening to that type of music at all except for maybe old parents telling their kids that rap and rock is the devil.
One thing I had to tell myself was that celebrities are just like everyone else, they say and do crazy things but when you're in hollywood people expect stuff like this to never happen because they're looked at as sane people.
Feel as though this is an oversimplification of a more complex issue. Holding the artist accountable is extremely important and in consuming their art most people forget to and in turn support the person. Also whenever we purchase a form of these peoples art we are financially supporting them which can be a negative depending on how heinous these people can be. It's more complicated than damn I cant forget what this guy did
Yes evil Artist needs to be held accountable, but only by legible authority or court of law. Not Twitter peeps wanting to cancel artists whenever they feel like cause of what they did as young kids or whatever.
Trapped in the closet was an emotional and religious experience for me the first time I listened to it. That goofy beat and how he always ends on a cliffhanger to the next part. “Oh my god a midget, midget, midget”
I get how people can separate art from the artist, but with situations like that of the Lost Prophets (look it up if you dare) I think exceptions need to be made.
I agree with you about separating the art from the artist but there's some cases where you simply can't, for example there was this one very popular children's writer who was a therapist and would write the stories of the kids that would come to him for therapy and it was later revealed that he sexually abused those children and everyone I knew immediately burned his books.
I think it’s when the artist are: a) not doing what they are preaching (eg child therapist but they are child rapist, or preach how to be a good wife but actually a serial cheater) and b) sexual predators, are big no for me.
This is the most balanced takes on separating the art from the artist. I saw a lot of comments online saying people shouldn’t shop at Coles (one of the few major grocery chains in Australia) because Coles had a promotion where you could receive small cardboard Harry Potter ‘figures’. They were saying don’t shop at the store ever because they ran a promotion for a month or so… not ‘if you don’t want the promotional item don’t take it’… they weren’t only throwing the baby out with the bath water but they were throwing out the bath and smashing everything in the bathroom…
The difficulty of separation depends on the 'art' made: An actor in a movie is just playing a character in the movie. Someone else could have played that same character. For paintings and drawings, you only see the art without necessarily seeing the artist, and so one can more easily "overlook" the shittiness of the artist. For music, you are directly listening to the artist. The song is more directly linked to the artist than an actor in a movie, for example.
I have a tattoo of Blond by Frank Ocean, and no matter what he does in the future, I will never regret or be ashamed of it. What that album did for me at a time of my life will never change and will always stay the same for me
@@TIDMVIDM nah but if he ever does, I won’t regret the tattoo. seen people really hate their Kanye tattoo’s now, as if the music itself and what it meant to them has changed
you dropped this video at the perfect time, just recently i learned about the whole lou diamond controversy (panucci's pizza/little tyrant/ jank) and now i feel bad for enjoying the hell out of his talent, can't untie such a beautiful voice with such horrible acts.
@@dr.cheeks3589 uh long story short he was accused by a fan of having non consensual sex with her which lead to another fan uncovering a similar incident involving a minor way before at the start of his career, awful stuff. you should watch nate the mate's video about it "the rise and fall of jank", good documentation.
It’s always tough when a creator you enjoy does something terrible. Especially if consuming their stuff makes them more money or gives them more social power. Sorry that happened dude.
9:29 he looked at the cabinet…he walked to the cabinet…hes getting close to the cabinet…now hes opening the cabinet. Now pause the movie cuz what im boutta tell y’all is so damn twisted, not only was there a man in the cabinet. But the man…is a midget…midget…midget…midget
I think it honestly depends. I find myself having an easier time separating when I know I only came for the music or art piece first, not really going into their personality. However, I find it hard with entertainers such as TH-camrs because I came for their personality and what they have to say or react to. So when they do something God awful, it becomes harder to separate as that’s apart of their personality.
To me it depends on what the person has done. Like some movies some people their actions make you look at certain scenes differently. Same with music some lyrics are different depending on what they did.
I think the real follow-up question is this: if a musician that you are a fan of was proven to have done HEINOUS activity, but put out more music after the fact, would you listen to the new stuff or only listen their old music? For example, let's say R. Kelly somehow was given only like 4 years to serve. After those 4 years were up and he put out a new album, would you listen to it?
I'm pretty sure that depends on how you think of supporting art. For example, if you liked it and wanted to listen to that music, you could opt not to support him financially and pirate the album, which is illegal. This would be the music equivalent of downloading illegal PDFs of some writer you chose not to support (even if you had the means to do so) for whatever reason or when you illegally stream a movie online because someone who was heavily involved with the process of making it was weird as fuck, so you're like, yeah I don't want to go to the cinema for this dude. However, some people, even if they absolutely hate the person making the content, would never consider the option of going out of their way to break the law to consume some content, so they'd grit their teeth through it and continue buying shit. And on that same side but more extremist-ish, there would be people going out of their way to not interact with said content in any way that would benefit the artist, like they'd ignore everything altogether. And all of that depends on how you think supporting the artist financially correlates with your moral code and whether you would be willing to break it for certain reasons (it's just too good, etc...) or not.
If your concern is financial support, I personally believe it's fine to support anyone who has been punished and rehabilitated. Boycott is sadly one of the few tools against impunity, and not a powerful one tbh.
The question has a obvious answer: If the song is good, listen, but separate the art from the artist, UNLESS the art manifests the bad things the artists did or likes.
Imma still listen to the song if I feel like it. I'll never pretend to be morally superior. Plus I never pay for music no matter who it is, so the money argument doesn't even concern me. I'm no Robin Hood pretend to only steal for moral reasons. I'd pay for it if I had the money, but I don't see myself spending 10k dollars for my 10k songs
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the only downside to supporting the art is the fact that you're helping their pockets grow even after the crazy things they did, but these points are complete facts.
spotify pays artists like shit plus kanye is already rich so me listening to the life of pablo doesnt make a difference
Piracy is always an option, if the person is that bad then YO HO HO HO ARRRG MATEYS!
I think 1 person not listening to Kanye not gonna do that much
@@poppythedogofwonders why would you pirate graduation by Kanye west
So according to u bad guys shouldn’t get paid for the great work they made? Only good guys are entitled to get paid for their work?
As a Daft Punk fan I wholeheartedly agree with this. Discovery is one of my favorite albums of all time, but I just can’t forgive them for being Fr*nch 🤮
What’s wrong with the French?
@@canaydian461 everything
What??
Yeah its really sad
Truly unforgivable
Kanye saw this I bet
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@@Fish_CR French Revolution
Ofcourse he did, let me get show you:
I saw the video, was nice
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@@sadvec6328 NO WAY KANYE SAID THAT 🤯
"The man who made graduation give him a chance"
Aged like milk, he just keeps getting worse by the day 💀💀💀
And I'll still never stop listening to his music and wearing his shoes
I think that was more set up as a joke
He is bipolar asf and isnt getting help tho
@@randomestchannel bipolar disorder doesn’t make you like Hitler lol. Stop with the excuses.
I thought it aged very well, considering the context of the rest of this video
You know only a Kanye fan could make an elaborate video like this about how good art is still good art regardless of who made it.
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@@theprotheboss8763 *you're 🤓
it sucks because i cant listen to it anymore because it gives money to kanye and i just cant have that
Rather give it to the mafia that rules over you 🤣
@@donda6 thank you mr kennedy for making this great comment
Always remember kids never miss a degenerocity video
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Literally heard people say this so many times, but okay.
His profile is a MASTERPIECE
Kanye’s art is so closely tied to his life that i don’t think you can truly appreciate his art without appreciating him as a person
What do you mean?
YES! Finally someone said it, some artists pour their life experiences and values into their music, in that case listening to the music becomes impossible because it feels like a facade now.
Like Rex Orange for example, it is hard to listen to him now knowing what he did, because his music is about him being a desperate lover of sort.
@@nadeemabdelmohsen3788 that’s crazy to say that his music is a facade. Doesent matter what you think of the man, doesent matter what he’s said or will say. What he wrote and made, and what he went through at that time, is wholly unrelated to his anti-semitism. There’s no way you can look at College dropout or Life of Pablo and say that his art then was disingenuous. 2016 Kanye and what he went through, is wholly different from 2022 Kanye. You can say anything he says or makes from this point on is a facade but to discredit his emotions and life experiences and say his art and what he expressed on those projects is outright stupid.
@@cryojudgement2376 YES.
Separating art from the artist goes two ways. One way is enjoying an artist's work and disregarding their morals or actions. The other way is holding the artist accountable for their morals and actions while putting aside their enjoyment of their art. Fans will often do the former while giving people crap for doing the latter.
Perhaps, but then people say things like “he did this bad thing and that makes his art that already exists bad” and that just makes no sense
@@algotkristoffersson15it makes sense if you don't want to associate with anything that a shitty artist is doing.
People just love polarizing everything in life.
Degenerocity can talk about the political and economic state of the world and it would still be entertaining.
all he talks about is politics
@@calicojack7527 Talking about what cookie is the best is politics?
Yeah it is
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It's healthy separate the art from the artist but we'd all be lying if we said it didn't significantly decrease our enjoyment of the art
The same thing applies when listening to a remix of smash bros melee how to play + sicko mode
@@bailujen8052 yeah but that shit lowkey slaps
@@bailujen8052 Travis didn't kill no one
@@BlahstarRecords eeeh...
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This video aged very well like fine cheese.
Cut him some slack, how was he supposed to know that Kanye was going to say all that? He can't see into the future.
@@fromgreattobrilliant922 no he said that this video is still correct right now
@@sebrasebrawell, yeah. Some of his points in the video do still hold up. That final line about Kanye didn't though.
This comment is funny, because the cheese you want to eat is aged cheese. It's healthier ☠
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I honestly find it hard to separate art from artist. As a musician myself, I feel that music is an extension of a musician’s thoughts, feelings, and personality just put into instruments and voices.
Separating the two is good. People really build some parasocial relationship with people they don't personally know and they get surprised when they do anything like wtf.
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@@Naz1Killer lmfao
Kpop meat readers need to hear this
i dont think the problem is listening to problematic artists, the problem is people never seem to hold their top artists accountable which is the most damaging part. the problem with today's world is people choose what they want to believe, even if clear evidence is provided, which really sucks.
People SHOULD choose what they believe in lmfao wtf are you talkin about? We should be given things to believe in? You sound crazy
@@555foreverr That's a valid point but I do think its simple to separate an artist to their art. Just as said in this video, you may look at the artist in a different way, however the art always stays the same. Majority of the time, the artist has simply changed for the worst compared to the time they made the specific piece of art, therefore it still holds meaning. Some people can't do this and will do their best to detach once they find out that their favorite artist has done/said something controversial, especially if their group/community has been especially targeted which is completely fine. But others don't take it personally, they simply listen to the artist, unbothered by the artist themselves. However, someone who is aware of the wrongs their favorite artist did yet continues to support and defend them is something completely different and rather sickening. I think everyone has different abilities and opinions on separating an artist to their art and each opinion is completely valid and holds respect.
You believe it's a problem that people can choose what they want to belive
@@blizzard1198 they can believe what the want, but if it hinders them from seeing what the artist did as bad that is my opinion is not the best mindset
I feel a similar way. A few years ago a video came out of my favorite artist beating his wife. A couple months ago he came out and basically said "can you guys just let it go already. My personal life is my buisness. Separate the artist form the art blah blah blah" and everyone in the comments was agreeing with him when there was a video of him bashing his wifes face in drunk. And he described what he did in the video as "moving her to the bed so I could do what she asked me". Like bros, the music aint good enough for this to just be his "personal life".
8:05 Kanye be like:
frfr, this aged like milk so much that I had to come back to comment
@@stduupie how could he know that Kanye was gonna say the things he said? He can't see into the future
NOT EVEN A MONTH, WE COULDN'T EVEN GO A MONTH 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I've always been a fan of Kanye's music and it's helped me get through a lot in life, but I feel like some fans need to understand that not everything he says and does is the gospel.
People won’t listen. They’ll just keep blindly endorsing him because he makes things they like.
It’s the complete reverse of the “cutting someone off entirely” angle. Separating the art from the artist was always about excusing bad behavior and not feeling guilty for it. Always.
But Kanye West is Lord, Kanye West is all-powerful. He saved my family through a fire once and with just a huff, and puff, he blows the fire away like it's nothing and then flew back to the skies. Such a heroic man.
@@lordbauer5983 To be honest, I never liked the term "Separating Art from the Artist" because it's always been used in a shitty light but imo, I think you can listen to someone's music and admit that they're not a good person. I know what I'm about to say might sound careless, but a few less views on Spotify aren't going to effect his bank account, and his songs help me throughout the day, so I don't feel that guilty for giving him my views on YT/Spotify. I don't follow him on anything else because the thing he posts on twitter/insta...sheesh.
Yes it is
Imo, I can see that argument being used when the artist starts putting their views into their work, then that’s when you can’t separate the artist from the art. But if their personal views and work are separate, then that’s when the saying could be applied.
That didn’t age well, it only took three weeks
Wdym, it fits perfectly into what’s happening now
@@obama_man9933 you cant protect the man anymore
@@deeznuts-rk2ej are you retarded or something, I still think he’s a pretty shitty person, I just like the music he’s made, you can like a song without being a fan of the person who made it
@@obama_man9933 yeah im not saying that, I enjoy his shit to eventho he’s an ass
Wdym?
Now you gotta make a part 2 about the big man himself
Degenerocity is the only TH-camr that can have a serious discussion on topics as controversial as these and still have me laughing the whole way through while agreeing with all his takes.
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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I generally do go by this standard. The hard part is when you go back and find that the sick parts of that person ARE part of their art. The phrase “age aint nothin but a number” feels too intertwined with R Kelly’s real situation to separate the two. That’s not to say that liking the music makes you bad or supportive of his actions. Dan Schneider putting feet in his shows does get a new context when you know how he felt about those feet. His shows aren’t about that though, so it’s easier to separate. I suppose there’s just a different bar for everyone. Good vid👍
This is exactly how I feel. Like I was about to type smth similar b4 I saw urs. I honestly can’t go back to rewatch og I Carly esp after reading jennette’s book
Yea this exactly. Tbh I’m not sure why Kanye wasn’t the focus of this video for example. Like he’s actually a current artist dealing w A LOT of controversy and could’ve been used as an interesting example because of that. Fine video overall, but it kind of feels like missed opportunity?
I think the feet thing in this case was in reference to Quentin Tarantino.
@@queenviren it's probably just meant to be more general and ageless. It's still relevant even if it's not trying super hard to be
@@-Teague- I mean ig so? But I still think it was a bad pick considering Kelly kinda hurts his argument imo.
Watching this during the Ye controversy
11:58 we cant anymore
Another artist like this is Walt Disney. Lots of terrible rumors about him, but his work really is to be enjoyed.
Walt Disney had been pushing witchcraft to children “See the MAGIC of Disney”
In my story even though it is with Gacha life, the antagonist is identified through his witchcraft, the heroes have superpowers given as a blessing to protect the world from evils such as the villainous sorcerer. But I don’t recommend you see since I made it for myself and there are some retcons such as name changing etc
Edit: you’re right about his works can be enjoyed
Separating the art from the artist is bravery and show you’re not trapped in bitterness
@@bailujen8052 …what
@@bailujen8052 Gacha Life has nothing to do with Walt Disney.
@@mcnuggwtscreations I was saying my difference
@@bailujen8052 bro I hate you
Degenerocity really opening his videos with art history class
@whaaa t wow really changed my life man
AP Art History literally the best class I took in school. Pretty sure everything he said about him was right
I make dis like degen check them out if y’all dont mind 😂❤️
1:20 bro was the original sneako💀
💀
You ain’t wrong Sneako also got sturdy to that Austrian painter beat
@@interlyticalhe got bircked up for the short mustache man
You just earned your subscription. This was hilarious and it probably took ages to put together. I truly see where you're coming from and I feel the same way. I feel slightly guilty still liking thier art but that's only when it finishes. Anyways good job
Honestly, we don't give Degenerocity enough credit. He actually covers both funny topics and topics that actually need to be heard and manages to make both of them entertaining. Respecto.
I'm not saying stop liking, I'm asking why I got hundreds in a day
Now I want to dislike your comment
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT MUWAHAHAHAHA
Somebody please reply to this, this is the most boring reply section I've ever seen
@@FIGHT3R49ER thanks though
@@FIGHT3R49ER wish you the best bruh
I think what makes things more difficult is when the art is very much about the artist. Kanye’s music is definitely about himself which makes that line of separation a lot less clear
Ok but he's not saying anti-Semitic sh*t in his music, his music has the typical level braggadocious and questionable lyrics that a lot of rap stars have. You're not wrong but Kanye's music only illustrates his general shittiness and narcissism and I'm not willing to stop listening to someone's music over that if it's as good as Kanye. R Kelly would be different, since he's a pedophile who wrote songs about romance and sex, meaning I could never separate his actions from his music.
Old Kanye isn’t the same man as new Kanye meaning I can listen to the trilogy and 808s while thinking about Old Kanye without having to think about new Kanye. Basically I’m coping
Same with r Kelly’s music
@@dariustellama3303 My biggest problem is the „ Old V New Kanye“. When did this all started? Then what is his first 3 Album all about?
@@bp2000k The life of Pablo has the song I love Kanye which references the dichotomy
“Everyone in Hollywood got skeletons in they closets” sounds like a amazing line in a song
Whenever conversations like this come up, I always wonder how many artistic legends of the past actually did very bad things that were just never discovered. Just think about how certain things used to be completely acceptable or, at the very least, considered "not that bad" at certain points in time. Really makes you thin about just how much of the most respected art, literature, and music in the world may have been made by people who did things that we consider to be absolutely unacceptable.
I think it’s how much the artist impacts the art in particular as well, though. Usually, I’m completely fine with separating art and the artist, but when the artist is very deeply linked or sometimes straight up in the art, it’s a bit harder.
It's like lovecraft: it's not just that hes racist, it's that his racism affected damn near all of his stories.
@@sunbirth4795 they are still fire (haven't read any)
then again its human nature to fall in love with things that aren't good for us.
I agree fs and that’s when it gets really hard because u have to keep reminding your mind that’s what it is
@@kacecrimson8297 😂 how you know it’s fire tf bro
@@stinkyuhoh999 it basically inspired many concepts of the terrifying unknown that I see everywhere, plus its more of a consensus he was the father of the genre
For me, when it comes to separating art from the artist, it depends on each "art". There are some TV shows and movies that were created by a terrible person, but it's easy for me to separate them because they weren't the only one who made it, there's a whole group of people who worked on it.
*cough cough* Schneider *cough cough*
Ik but sometimes it gets really hard to watch some projects where the people involved in did some fucked up shit. For example, i can't find it in myself to watch baby driver.
I make dis like degen check them out if y’all dont mind 😂❤
@@swooshes897 what happened in baby driver?
oh
7:46 AYO, HE PREDICTED KANYE!!!!!
We need an update RIGHT NOW
agree
We would have needed three updates today alone
Moral of the story: If you become too attached to someone then they will turn into garbage.
More like they were garbage the whole time, but you didn't realize it because you were too attached
No, the real moral here is to not get attached to any famous figures whatsoever. Unless you know them personally.
@@ahuman32478 That’s me right there. I didn’t know Travis Scott was piece of shit the entire time… and I always thought he was a chill and a cool person, but nope
Not really.
@@projectx7453 Who is Travis Scott and what did he do?
"But if that evil artist is still alive, you're contributing to their financial success!"
*Piracy has entered the chat*
Marlon Brando
You're still supporting them through publicity. You might not have spent money, but you spreading their name can potentially make others spend money on their stuff.
Prison has entered the chat
Yeaaaahhh we're gonna need 7 more Graduation's after Kanye's interview
The man made graduation man, Give him a chance
Two weeks later: Graduating to liking Hitler
This is a very important message tho.
Like I know some people who will absolutely not listen/watch/use from someone because they hate the creator and their actions.
You can like something without liking the person.
agree.
Sometimes it’s hard to enjoy someone’s art if you don’t like them.
It’s like trying to laugh at a comedian’s jokes, but in the back of your mind you’re thinking “you’re an asshole” the whole time.
@@lordbauer5983 exactly, someone who understands.
you can lick something without licking the person.
Kinda hard when most of the time you're sending money their way by doing it
I havent even watched it and i can already tell its gonna be a masterpiece
Because it’s the goat
Facts
average degenerocity video fr he da GOAT
@@cantthink3012 THE GOAT
NPC comment
couldnt even go a month
Excellent video man. Hysterical and incredibly articulate. Love your timing and all the cutaways you used. Keep it up!
It’s always a good time when degenerocity uploads
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Nah little black boy
@Chad 007 begone bot!!!
I make dis like degen check them out if y’all dont mind 😂💯ll
Yep and it got 5th on Trending
0:28 wtf dude i wasnt ready
at least bro made graduation
Bro was foreshadowing kanye
Bro was outdated and likes to make unoriginal trashy comments.
A good point to think about is that, nowadays, "art" isn't really a solo-project, its actually done by massive teams of people, though the stars of course outshine them. If an artist is cancelled, they've already been boycott; they aren't getting any more films or anything, and will already lose a ton of money. When you choose to not consume you're content, you're not only taking money away from them, but the entire team that made it possible. Like, if you don't choose to watch a movie because an actor is in it, you're taking away from the director, set designer, script writer, costume designer and all that other stuff. If you don't choose to play a game because a voice actor told you to, you're making all the developers, level planners, concept artists and the like lose out to. This is one of the most important reasons why you separate the "art" from the "artists", because often times, it isn't really even fully their own "art" or "effort" in the first place.
Exactly this! There is (was) this band called Lostprophets, the singer did extremely awful things but I still can't stop liking Lostprophets' songs because the other members weren't part of it and also, as far as I know, the singer didn't even write the music (he did write some lyrics though)
@@nvrmltice then he wrote da music if he wrote some lyrics
I wouldn’t say often times
@@Noname-gm9yb bro, riffs, chord progressions, solos, beats, basslines and other important parts (including vocal melodies) don't write themselves just because you wrote a lyric
Yes ! I model for a brand that everyone hates and me and the crew members get shit on for working for them because the owner has said some annoying shit. like just cause we work somewhere doesn’t mean we allign with their beleifsb
I think you can enjoy art without liking the artist, but by supporting the ART you're supporting(financially,directly or indirectly) the artist, so It's a thin line
Luckily I can just screenshot the art for free
@@coltonwilkie241 😭😭😭
@@coltonwilkie241 too good LMAO
This is where I’m at. I think if consumption of the art financially supports a harmful individual or allows them to stay publicly visible in a way that allows their harm to persist, then you have to divorce yourself from the art (or pirate it)
@@coltonwilkie241 Bro's built different
It takes critical thinking to understand the separation of art and artists.
You can’t enjoy anything without being able to separate the person and the product.
It also takes a reality check.
People need to understand that their favorite artists are not Jesus and that everyone has skeleton in their closets. The only difference between most people is who gets caught or not.
8:03 aged like mill
Aged like factory
9:19 THE TEARS ON MY FACE RIGHT NOW
8:55 Basically the Boondocks episode about the Trial of R Kelly
Excellent points and very well said! I agree that it gets a little trickier when the artist included creepy stuff in their work, for example Dan Scumbag used to sexualize children in the shows he produced and directed. There are clips of Arianna Grande saying and doing suggestive things in the show, that most kids wouldn't get watching it, but now as an adult makes me sick. Plus the whole foot as a mascot Nickelodeon thing 👀👀. Maybe some of those shows are still, at their core, good shows and the acting is great...but do I want my future kids watching them? With all the freaky subliminal crap Dan put in them? Heck no!!
Edit: Also yeah, the "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" is another great example of this. Because the warped ideology of the artist in question heavily influenced and is apart of their art..by appreciating the art in these cases we are also, in a sense, supporting that ideology
Kanye made this age well
He’s right
11:04 saying this is actually like talking to a brick wall
Generosity never misses. The jokes and memes are hilarious 🤣
I make dis like degen check them out if y’all dont mind 😂❤️l
11:56 aged so bad man 😂
this is most kanye fan thing ever i love this
I mean what other choice we got :')
It depends on the type of art, sometimes artists create art that talks about the darkness within us or something really personal, or maybe art that takes some form of moral high ground, so when they get caught doing something terrible I feel like those thoughts linger in your head preventing you from fully enjoying the art in the same way
I think it is possible to separate art from the artist, just not every single time
again in the end its mostly a you problem deal, you decide how you react to it and aslong as no more damage comes from it its understandable.
He can roast anyone and i’ll be here to watch it
fact, same here
We need an update asap!! You spoke too soon buddy
this video aged like a nice and warm milk, and it's only been 3 weeks.
as a classic rock fan I feel the need to show everybody in the fandom this.
literally same
@@mimi-yl5bu very real🤧
@@Kessekom 🤨
@@Kessekom are you talking about the allegations of him being a pedo?
a lot of older rock is basically simping for teen girls
This can also be said with songs.
Songs like Pumped Up Kicks, Blurred Lines, S&M etc have some pretty crazy meanings to their lyrics, but there still catchy as heck.
I mean, to be fair to S&M the title alone tells you what the song is about. It's not her fault people don't pay attention.
I make dis like degen check them out if y’all dont mind 😂❤
I don't think this applies as much (At least in terms of Pumped Up Kicks like songs). A song can be catchy with distrubing lyrics doesn't mean they're not catchy and it definetly doesn't mean the lyrics are bad or wrong, but I completly see the argument with stuff like Blurred Lines, and songs in different languages especially are easy to completely ignore/miss the meaning of.
Literally the entirety of rap music since most rappers are gangbangers or wanna-be criminals, and will make threats to people in their music, and usually end up in prison for their violent crimes. I never personally gave af about those things they they said or did while listening to their art, and I don’t think people usually ever cared about morals and all that stuff while listening to that type of music at all except for maybe old parents telling their kids that rap and rock is the devil.
One thing I had to tell myself was that celebrities are just like everyone else, they say and do crazy things but when you're in hollywood people expect stuff like this to never happen because they're looked at as sane people.
Feel as though this is an oversimplification of a more complex issue. Holding the artist accountable is extremely important and in consuming their art most people forget to and in turn support the person. Also whenever we purchase a form of these peoples art we are financially supporting them which can be a negative depending on how heinous these people can be. It's more complicated than damn I cant forget what this guy did
Yes to this. If the artist is dead, then maybe you can separate them from their art. Otherwise… not so much.
Yes evil Artist needs to be held accountable, but only by legible authority or court of law. Not Twitter peeps wanting to cancel artists whenever they feel like cause of what they did as young kids or whatever.
Piraters keep winning 😎
@@anisahs2110 You act like this Kanye situation is similar to just "Twitter peeps being irrational"
@@rivkahhaubner7498 or in jail, then they also wont see a dime from it
right before the kanye situation
Trapped in the closet was an emotional and religious experience for me the first time I listened to it. That goofy beat and how he always ends on a cliffhanger to the next part. “Oh my god a midget, midget, midget”
this is exactly how I feel about Ezra Miller, like why did such a great actor for the flash have to be a complete psycho!?
Seems like he's becoming insane like his character in We Need To Talk About Kevin.
@@jeant6502I love that movie
Not everybody is perfect
@@erso_returned2530
Well we know that.
The question really is why everything is just too good to be true
@@purplepikmin3533 The better question to ask in Ezras case is: The fuck?
graduation not saving him anymore unfortunately
it's over
Degens editing style is one of a kind
8:33 AAAAAAH
I get how people can separate art from the artist, but with situations like that of the Lost Prophets (look it up if you dare) I think exceptions need to be made.
5:24 uh ... didn’t expect to see wander here
A really wholesome show
In this video about artist who committed horrible crimes
I agree with you about separating the art from the artist but there's some cases where you simply can't, for example there was this one very popular children's writer who was a therapist and would write the stories of the kids that would come to him for therapy and it was later revealed that he sexually abused those children and everyone I knew immediately burned his books.
Who was that?
@@darth_autismo the author of a book series called kids tell stories about themselves
So he went from ''Therapist'' to ''The Rapist''.
@Acid Bong I can assure you, this isn’t a well known case in America. Or even if it is, I certainly have no idea who it is
I think it’s when the artist are: a) not doing what they are preaching (eg child therapist but they are child rapist, or preach how to be a good wife but actually a serial cheater) and b) sexual predators, are big no for me.
This is the most balanced takes on separating the art from the artist.
I saw a lot of comments online saying people shouldn’t shop at Coles (one of the few major grocery chains in Australia) because Coles had a promotion where you could receive small cardboard Harry Potter ‘figures’. They were saying don’t shop at the store ever because they ran a promotion for a month or so… not ‘if you don’t want the promotional item don’t take it’… they weren’t only throwing the baby out with the bath water but they were throwing out the bath and smashing everything in the bathroom…
He should talk about Kanye again now
The difficulty of separation depends on the 'art' made:
An actor in a movie is just playing a character in the movie. Someone else could have played that same character.
For paintings and drawings, you only see the art without necessarily seeing the artist, and so one can more easily "overlook" the shittiness of the artist.
For music, you are directly listening to the artist. The song is more directly linked to the artist than an actor in a movie, for example.
“Free my homie he dindo nothin”
I have a tattoo of Blond by Frank Ocean, and no matter what he does in the future, I will never regret or be ashamed of it. What that album did for me at a time of my life will never change and will always stay the same for me
did frank ocean do something?
@@TIDMVIDM nah but if he ever does, I won’t regret the tattoo. seen people really hate their Kanye tattoo’s now, as if the music itself and what it meant to them has changed
@Efaze r&b
frank ocean can do no wrong
bro predicted the future
You transitions and edits are on point my guy
I had a essay project about art and stuff n I used this video as reference thank u
“People often grow attached to their art which is why it’s hard to separate them from the art”- someone probably
you dropped this video at the perfect time, just recently i learned about the whole lou diamond controversy (panucci's pizza/little tyrant/ jank) and now i feel bad for enjoying the hell out of his talent, can't untie such a beautiful voice with such horrible acts.
What happend?
@@dr.cheeks3589 uh long story short he was accused by a fan of having non consensual sex with her which lead to another fan uncovering a similar incident involving a minor way before at the start of his career, awful stuff. you should watch nate the mate's video about it "the rise and fall of jank", good documentation.
It’s always tough when a creator you enjoy does something terrible. Especially if consuming their stuff makes them more money or gives them more social power. Sorry that happened dude.
9:29 he looked at the cabinet…he walked to the cabinet…hes getting close to the cabinet…now hes opening the cabinet. Now pause the movie cuz what im boutta tell y’all is so damn twisted, not only was there a man in the cabinet. But the man…is a midget…midget…midget…midget
bro predicted what kanye was going to say
I think it honestly depends. I find myself having an easier time separating when I know I only came for the music or art piece first, not really going into their personality. However, I find it hard with entertainers such as TH-camrs because I came for their personality and what they have to say or react to. So when they do something God awful, it becomes harder to separate as that’s apart of their personality.
To me it depends on what the person has done. Like some movies some people their actions make you look at certain scenes differently. Same with music some lyrics are different depending on what they did.
It's a lot easier when you are bad person yourself.
@erso_returned2530 impossibly based
I really like this video. It reminded me of the shows I once loved, and that I'm still allowed to love them.
That’s why I don’t care about the opinion’s of strangers/haters, they don’t add anything to my life.
LMFAO this one is one of your best videos yet good blend of comedy and information.
I bet any presentation you did/do in school was probably the most entertaining one out of everyone in the room
He made graduation
He made graduation
He made graduation
He made graduation
He made graduation
almost to 1m, congrats little d :)
Great video! Hella great clips used and super entertaining
7:02 CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
SOOO HIGHHH
OHH OHH OH OHH
NOOOOO
Oh oh oh
I think the real follow-up question is this: if a musician that you are a fan of was proven to have done HEINOUS activity, but put out more music after the fact, would you listen to the new stuff or only listen their old music?
For example, let's say R. Kelly somehow was given only like 4 years to serve. After those 4 years were up and he put out a new album, would you listen to it?
I'm pretty sure that depends on how you think of supporting art. For example, if you liked it and wanted to listen to that music, you could opt not to support him financially and pirate the album, which is illegal. This would be the music equivalent of downloading illegal PDFs of some writer you chose not to support (even if you had the means to do so) for whatever reason or when you illegally stream a movie online because someone who was heavily involved with the process of making it was weird as fuck, so you're like, yeah I don't want to go to the cinema for this dude. However, some people, even if they absolutely hate the person making the content, would never consider the option of going out of their way to break the law to consume some content, so they'd grit their teeth through it and continue buying shit. And on that same side but more extremist-ish, there would be people going out of their way to not interact with said content in any way that would benefit the artist, like they'd ignore everything altogether. And all of that depends on how you think supporting the artist financially correlates with your moral code and whether you would be willing to break it for certain reasons (it's just too good, etc...) or not.
If your concern is financial support, I personally believe it's fine to support anyone who has been punished and rehabilitated. Boycott is sadly one of the few tools against impunity, and not a powerful one tbh.
If a song is good I'll listen to it, tf you want bro
The question has a obvious answer: If the song is good, listen, but separate the art from the artist, UNLESS the art manifests the bad things the artists did or likes.
Imma still listen to the song if I feel like it. I'll never pretend to be morally superior.
Plus I never pay for music no matter who it is, so the money argument doesn't even concern me. I'm no Robin Hood pretend to only steal for moral reasons. I'd pay for it if I had the money, but I don't see myself spending 10k dollars for my 10k songs
I think this is my favorite video of yours, this video feels so flawless.
this did NOT age well
It did. You can still separate it
this DID age well
STFU WITH THIS diDNoT aGE wELL BULLSHIT ALREADY! YOU USE IT JUST TO USE IT YOU UNORIGINAL DIPSHITS!
aGEd LiKE miLK
AGed WElL
YOUR MOM AGED WELL. YOUR...MOM...OKAY? NOW STFU AND GTFO THIS INSTANT YOU SHIT.