Great Video you guys! Fun watching you both work together. I bought the 600 last January with flow control and use it everyday for myself and wife. Love the 600 dual boiler. I do like the new control knobs. Would be interesting to see a video on how to update from the turn knobs to the push knobs as shown on these machines. FYI - if anyone is on the fence between the 500 and 600, go for the 600. Just my opinion.
Hey michael, thanks for the comment - happy to help! Be sure and bookmark our support site for the Pro 600. It's loaded with helpful videos and other resources to help you get the most from your machine: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600 Marc
Hey b, thanks for the comment and your patronage! Be sure and bookmark our support site for the Pro 600 here: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600 Marc
Hi p, Congrats on your new machine and thanks for your patronage! I know you will not be disappointed. On top of this video, you may want to bookmark our support site for the Pro 600. It's loaded with videos and other resources to help you get the most out of your machine: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600 Enjoy! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage to reduce confusion I think you should add “with flow control” to the title of all versions of the pro 600. because of this, I accidentally ordered the version of the pro 600 with the knobs, not the newer levers.
I'm military in Korea and appreciate the videos and that your site ships to APO addresses overseas! I just ordered beans and soon I'll be getting the profitec. I was thinking of the 600 but i was wondering if the Drive is something that's worth it. I like the auto wake up idea with the easy display but it is $1000 more
Hey d, thanks for the comment and question. It's a tough call and really depends on what's important to you. Some key differences with the Drive are the easy to use display system with a lot more options like the time programmable pre-infusion, Fast Heating mode, easy access to boiler offset. Beyond that the Drive uses a quieter and more powerful rotary pump, is plumbable direct to waterline and has larger boilers. Guessing you may have already watched, but just in case here's a link to my full review of the Drive: th-cam.com/video/ouG30LITDy4/w-d-xo.html And a setup and first use video for the machine: th-cam.com/video/jBB55tCKVKI/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps! Marc
I have received my pro600 this week. However, mine got different pressure showing from group head garage and brew pressure gauge (with backflush disc inserted). From your video here at the end of video about 36:00, it shows two gauge shows same pressure. Did I get defective machine? Very confusing. With same setting why my group head gauge is showing 1 bar higher than brew pressure gauge bar? I set my pump pressure at 9bar, but group head pressure is 10am… with backflush disc installed. Please make me understand why is that.
Hey Sharing, Your machine is not defective. I took a look at that point in the video and both gauges run up to ~8bar before the pump is stopped. Had it continued to run it's likely the group gauge would have gone a little higher. Reasons for this: Pressure on the machine gauge is measured in cold water near the pump and before a one way check valve in the hydraulic system. The one way valve allows pressure to build slightly higher on the other side. On the group gauge pressure is measured on the other side of the brew boiler. Thermal expansion due water heating and closed system due to the one way valve allow pressure to reach a bit higher when measuring static pressure using a backflush disc.
I dont thing so.. if you see the video like 33:18 34:32 here from this video, it seems like brew boiler was set at around 8.2bar, but group head gauge is reading at around 8 bar. Any advice? Still don’t understand why the machine here in video and my machine is different? If reading 1 bar higher from group head is normal.. why this video is not the same case then?
@@Sharingsummer1 When measuring static pressure it's not unusual for group head gauge to read slightly higher it can be as much as 1 bar. Also understand the gauges used on these machines are not precision, lab grade, calibrated instruments - those would cost! They may have some percentage of error in their readings. If one is a bit low and 1 a bit high then difference will be more noticeable.
Thanks. So in order for me to 9 bar extracting, should I set brew pressure at 9 bar or group head at 9 bar? Also, in this case, are you going to send me the new group head pressure gauge?
@@Sharingsummer1 You're welcome. I would set to 9 bar static on the face gauge but choice is yours. I know people get very wrapped up in the 9 bar dogma. Truth is it's incredibly unlikely you will ever taste a difference in extractions pulled in a range of 8-10 bar. No new gauge. As mentioned these gauges are not precision, lab grade so small percentage of error is expected in their readings. It's likely another gauge would give the same reading.
Hi Marc. I have a question for you. My house is equipped with a water softener system, will the BWT cartridge you plug into the water reservoir add some of the minerals back to the water or will I need to make up your mineral treatment recipe? Thanks for all the videos they are great.
Hi steve, Thanks for the question. No need to add back minerals if you're using a typical whole house softener which uses sodium to replace some of the calcium in your source water. We prefer using BWT magnesium ion-exchange as taste tests have shown it's a slightly better flavor extractor than sodium. Marc
Hi there, just a quick question on water filtration....I live in a soft water area, water hardness is 60mg/l caco (60ppm). Is a filter still important or am I good to go without a filter in that case??
Hi Shane, at 60ppm very unlikely to have any issue with scale formation. You may want to use filter with activated carbon to remove chlorination but it's not required. Do take water from the steam boiler every now and then. If you only ever take steam minerals will concentrate in the boiler. Don't need to take a lot. If preheating or rinsing cups with hot water that's enough. Marc
Nice guys, i admit its a nice machine but i dunno about 2 k price point. Can you guys get a black sesame Breville dual boiler for me? Hows it compare to the P 600? lil help here
Hi k, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry no black BDBs. Comparing... Pro 600 is a handcrafted all metal machine. The Breville has a lot plastic, proprietary parts and lower user serviceability. Compromises for the lower price and expected longevity. Marc
Hi g, That can work but magnesium is preferred over calcium for remineralizing. Calcium is likely to result in scale deposits. Here's a video showing how to make SCA spec water using magnesium remineralize starting with RO or distilled water: th-cam.com/video/iHI7jC0sQZo/w-d-xo.html Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the response. Is there a specific spring water that you recommend that does not have to be tinkered with? Would crystal geyser work for example or any other kind of spring water?
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc thanks I ordered and was sent from Germany the other one Britar one plus the one time cap to fit them. That order cost 90 bucks. So if I did this from now on it would run 60 plus for two. I have the mechanika max. If I did go this way I don’t need the pouch in there anymore or should I just stay with the mineral pouch and the bwt pitcher? Thanks. Oh I read no good for rotary pump?
I have the same exact version that I purchased recently. My steam pressure goes down significantly as I start steaming but I see the demo shows it stays around 1.5 the whole time could you help?
Most of the high end machine use e61 group head, so they all seem to have pretty long heatup time. What would be your recommandation for a top quality machine with a heat up time of max 10-12 minutes? thanks!
Great Video you guys! Fun watching you both work together. I bought the 600 last January with flow control and use it everyday for myself and wife. Love the 600 dual boiler. I do like the new control knobs. Would be interesting to see a video on how to update from the turn knobs to the push knobs as shown on these machines.
FYI - if anyone is on the fence between the 500 and 600, go for the 600. Just my opinion.
Same here. Agree with everything you said, awesome machine
Thanks Marc for doing the 600 request.
Looking forward to opening it early with the family 🎉
Hey MrR, You are welcome! Enjoy your machine!!!
Marc
Bro this is amazing!
Your dedication and love of these devices man... you dont quit! ❤
Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Informative and most helpful. I will soon have my machine shipped to me from you!
Hey michael, thanks for the comment - happy to help! Be sure and bookmark our support site for the Pro 600. It's loaded with helpful videos and other resources to help you get the most from your machine: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600
Marc
Thank you guys for going through this! I ordered one of these from you over black Friday. It will be here soon and this is so helpful!
Hey b, thanks for the comment and your patronage! Be sure and bookmark our support site for the Pro 600 here: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600
Marc
Just ordered one from you guys, so excited to use it!
I was going to get the Pro 500, but it was out of stock, so I got the 600, should be here tomorrow!
Hi p, Congrats on your new machine and thanks for your patronage! I know you will not be disappointed. On top of this video, you may want to bookmark our support site for the Pro 600. It's loaded with videos and other resources to help you get the most out of your machine: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000401162-Profitec-Pro-600
Enjoy!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage to reduce confusion I think you should add “with flow control” to the title of all versions of the pro 600. because of this, I accidentally ordered the version of the pro 600 with the knobs, not the newer levers.
I'm military in Korea and appreciate the videos and that your site ships to APO addresses overseas! I just ordered beans and soon I'll be getting the profitec. I was thinking of the 600 but i was wondering if the Drive is something that's worth it. I like the auto wake up idea with the easy display but it is $1000 more
Hey d, thanks for the comment and question. It's a tough call and really depends on what's important to you. Some key differences with the Drive are the easy to use display system with a lot more options like the time programmable pre-infusion, Fast Heating mode, easy access to boiler offset. Beyond that the Drive uses a quieter and more powerful rotary pump, is plumbable direct to waterline and has larger boilers. Guessing you may have already watched, but just in case here's a link to my full review of the Drive: th-cam.com/video/ouG30LITDy4/w-d-xo.html
And a setup and first use video for the machine: th-cam.com/video/jBB55tCKVKI/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
I have received my pro600 this week. However, mine got different pressure showing from group head garage and brew pressure gauge (with backflush disc inserted). From your video here at the end of video about 36:00, it shows two gauge shows same pressure. Did I get defective machine? Very confusing. With same setting why my group head gauge is showing 1 bar higher than brew pressure gauge bar? I set my pump pressure at 9bar, but group head pressure is 10am… with backflush disc installed. Please make me understand why is that.
Hey Sharing, Your machine is not defective. I took a look at that point in the video and both gauges run up to ~8bar before the pump is stopped. Had it continued to run it's likely the group gauge would have gone a little higher. Reasons for this: Pressure on the machine gauge is measured in cold water near the pump and before a one way check valve in the hydraulic system. The one way valve allows pressure to build slightly higher on the other side. On the group gauge pressure is measured on the other side of the brew boiler. Thermal expansion due water heating and closed system due to the one way valve allow pressure to reach a bit higher when measuring static pressure using a backflush disc.
I dont thing so.. if you see the video like 33:18 34:32 here from this video, it seems like brew boiler was set at around 8.2bar, but group head gauge is reading at around 8 bar. Any advice? Still don’t understand why the machine here in video and my machine is different? If reading 1 bar higher from group head is normal.. why this video is not the same case then?
@@Sharingsummer1 When measuring static pressure it's not unusual for group head gauge to read slightly higher it can be as much as 1 bar. Also understand the gauges used on these machines are not precision, lab grade, calibrated instruments - those would cost! They may have some percentage of error in their readings. If one is a bit low and 1 a bit high then difference will be more noticeable.
Thanks. So in order for me to 9 bar extracting, should I set brew pressure at 9 bar or group head at 9 bar? Also, in this case, are you going to send me the new group head pressure gauge?
@@Sharingsummer1 You're welcome. I would set to 9 bar static on the face gauge but choice is yours. I know people get very wrapped up in the 9 bar dogma. Truth is it's incredibly unlikely you will ever taste a difference in extractions pulled in a range of 8-10 bar. No new gauge. As mentioned these gauges are not precision, lab grade so small percentage of error is expected in their readings. It's likely another gauge would give the same reading.
When would be the live for profitec drive?
Hi Marc. I have a question for you. My house is equipped with a water softener system, will the BWT cartridge you plug into the water reservoir add some of the minerals back to the water or will I need to make up your mineral treatment recipe? Thanks for all the videos they are great.
Hi steve, Thanks for the question. No need to add back minerals if you're using a typical whole house softener which uses sodium to replace some of the calcium in your source water. We prefer using BWT magnesium ion-exchange as taste tests have shown it's a slightly better flavor extractor than sodium.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc!
1 and a 1/4 turns from the closed position simulates what it would be like if flow control wasn’t installed… is that correct?
Hi MJ, yes, yoiu'll get the stock flow rate by opening the FC 1.25 turns from the fully closed - no flow position.
Marc
What's the difference between this one and the one with vertical valves ?
Which one is the newest?
Hi there, just a quick question on water filtration....I live in a soft water area, water hardness is 60mg/l caco (60ppm). Is a filter still important or am I good to go without a filter in that case??
Hi Shane, at 60ppm very unlikely to have any issue with scale formation. You may want to use filter with activated carbon to remove chlorination but it's not required. Do take water from the steam boiler every now and then. If you only ever take steam minerals will concentrate in the boiler. Don't need to take a lot. If preheating or rinsing cups with hot water that's enough.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much Marc, appreciate the advice, have really enjoyed your content over the years!
Nice guys, i admit its a nice machine but i dunno about 2 k
price point. Can you guys get a black sesame Breville dual boiler for me? Hows it compare to the P 600? lil help here
Hi k, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry no black BDBs. Comparing... Pro 600 is a handcrafted all metal machine. The Breville has a lot plastic, proprietary parts and lower user serviceability. Compromises for the lower price and expected longevity.
Marc
Would using RO purified bottle water with added minerals work? It has calcium chloride and sodium bicarbonate
Hi g, That can work but magnesium is preferred over calcium for remineralizing. Calcium is likely to result in scale deposits. Here's a video showing how to make SCA spec water using magnesium remineralize starting with RO or distilled water: th-cam.com/video/iHI7jC0sQZo/w-d-xo.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the response. Is there a specific spring water that you recommend that does not have to be tinkered with? Would crystal geyser work for example or any other kind of spring water?
Does that filter fit the Ecm. Nit bwt the other one?
Hey May, yes. ECM and Profitec use nearly identical water reservoirs so if it works in Profitec it will work in ECM.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc thanks I ordered and was sent from Germany the other one Britar one plus the one time cap to fit them. That order cost 90 bucks. So if I did this from now on it would run 60 plus for two. I have the mechanika max. If I did go this way I don’t need the pouch in there anymore or should I just stay with the mineral pouch and the bwt pitcher? Thanks. Oh I read no good for rotary pump?
@@Maybaby1959 You do not need both.
I have the same exact version that I purchased recently. My steam pressure goes down significantly as I start steaming but I see the demo shows it stays around 1.5 the whole time could you help?
Most of the high end machine use e61 group head, so they all seem to have pretty long heatup time.
What would be your recommandation for a top quality machine with a heat up time of max 10-12 minutes? thanks!
If it’s helpful I just bought a bezzer bz13 and it heats up in 7-8 minutes but it’s not e61
Get a smart outlet and have it turn on when you wake up.
For fast heat up times u cant ignore the lelit bianca and profitec drive new version of the profitect 700