I am supposed to write a paper about eliminative materialism. Thanks for the great lecture since I did not understand the chapter from the book. You are amazing, now everything is clear!
The conundrum arises when mind, beliefs, desires etc. are treated as a nouns rather than verbs. Thoughts and feelings etc. are not things, but rather, mental processes of a material brain. I'd imagine that is a notion a card carrying eliminative materialist can agree with. The eliminative aspect discards the dualist separation of mind as something distinct from matter. The semantics of folk psychology are born of a similar, if unstated, separation of subjective mind from the operation of material mental processes.
I think it´s a really interesting theory but I can´t come to terms with thinking about trauma from this point of view! Especially if it´s linked to my desires/ beliefs/ motivations, which I clearly cannot control and oftentimes have trouble detecting right away. But I guess my brain just can´t imagine itself as a really, really complex, rational, unemotional thing. Thanks for the video! I will be writing an essay about eliminative Materialism :)
Thank you so much for this video! This really helped me with my class 😭I was so confused about eliminative materialism and you broke it down perfectly !
This video is so helpful thanks for sharing. I was searching about this subject because eliminative materialism is a manifestation of cientificism. The only cuestión that I still have is if eliminative materialism would eventually believe that we can be a program and everything we believe is real, it’s not, like Matrix. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
Really intriguing. I'm not entirely sold on it but I think it's not all wrong. I think the idea is on to something, that our concept of the mind carries a lot of baggage and smuggles in a lot of hidden claims, claims that are often rooted in our cultural understanding. But I'm not convinced we should abandon the concept of the mind entirely or that the mind isn't real.
Eliminative physicalism, imo, is where philosophy of mind meets neuroscience and the and the seemingly daily discoveries of the mechanisms within the brain that produce our perceptions, our thoughts, our dreams, our feelings, actions, etc. I think it was Patricia Kirkland who coined the term "neurophilosophy," and wrote a book by the same title, if memory serves, pioneering today's efforts to reconcile what we think with what we know and what we're learning every day. The recent work of Mark Solms - on both fronts, with his discovery of the brain mechanism responsible for dreaming and his own theory of mind proposed in his book "The Hidden Spring" - is eye-opening. And Anil Seth's work shouldn't be overlooked. If you haven't, you owe it to yourself to read his book, "Being You: A New Science of Consciousness." He also has several relatively recent lectures on You Tube.
Also, as we discover more about dream imaging, (Yes, this is real and new science!) the more we can prove that not only does the mind exist, but it is powerful to create a subreality in our subconscious that is only accessible during altered states of consciousness such as "dreaming". These subrealities, are not real, but do exist inside of every persons brain. It is a mental distortion of lived reality, processed by the neural network. And, we are getting to the point that we are starting to image it through neural mapping!
u had me until u brought up treatment for mental illness-- depression isnt always just a chemical imbalance in the brain, sometimes it is brought on by trauma or abuse. Unless you unpack all that trauma and/or abuse, you will continue in a cycle of depression regardless of neurological intervention. not to mention that most of those interventions don't actually help with those feelings, they just make you numb. Therapy is a useful tool for so many people
All of the objections appeal to concepts which an eliminative materialist would indicate are irrelevant. The appeal to qualia is based in qualia and psychological subjectivity, which they might would indicate are illusory and irrelevant, bounded in unverifiable and fuzzy semantics. The "self refuting" objection is circular, ascribing "belief" from the outside by those who do not accept that belief is an illusion. As a paradigm that is based upon data and examination it is not a "belief", more of a modus operandi. The epistemological objection is meaningless as other measures of "knowing", rather than material, are themselves "unknowable". They are circumscribed in systems that do not permit data and are without rigid means of determining falsehood other than language play.
How will you treat depression if you can't talk about depression therefore you will not know which chemicals in the brain causes these feelings. At this point all you have is random chemicals and no real purpose.
Meaning in the future depression may be known to everyone as not a mental state, but a chemical imbalance in your brain, for example. And you can treat depression then, knowing what caused the imbalance and how to treat the imbalance. Its not that I agree, I'm pretty new to philosophy, I'm just explaining in the concept of eliminative materialism. We don't know what is true and what is not at this point in time yet
@@mintgi4136 I was thinking if you can't talk about your feelings then how will they be able to link chemicals with depression since youd have to be able to talk about your feelings in order to link the two. Maybe it will still allow people to talk about feelings but I was getting the impression that you couldn't
You will focus on the body consciously to gaugae what is your physiological state and regulate with meds for pain or therapy relational etc. The question is how do u know you are depressed without the word depression? Make sense?
This view is unfortunately not a great one. And, is problematic for a lot of reasons. Someone else pointed out that this doesn't necessarily deal with things in a realistic way. Due to fMRI studies, we are finding not only that the mind exists, but it is essentially the mental map made of neurons that interact with different sections of the brain. The mind, is that mental map. So, yes it still does exist, it is still real, we do still experience these things. The mind, is constantly changing and producing different connections, sort of trying to "fine tune" itself based on our experiences, narratives, education, and other factors. The neural map is the mind, and neuroplasticity is the mechanism by which it changes, grows, and influences the mind. Mental states, are equivalent to the way this mental map is wired in reference to it's environment.
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I am supposed to write a paper about eliminative materialism. Thanks for the great lecture since I did not understand the chapter from the book. You are amazing, now everything is clear!
The conundrum arises when mind, beliefs, desires etc. are treated as a nouns rather than verbs. Thoughts and feelings etc. are not things, but rather, mental processes of a material brain. I'd imagine that is a notion a card carrying eliminative materialist can agree with. The eliminative aspect discards the dualist separation of mind as something distinct from matter. The semantics of folk psychology are born of a similar, if unstated, separation of subjective mind from the operation of material mental processes.
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I had no idea there was an existing philosophy so similar to the conclusions I had personally reached. Thanks so much for this informative lecture.
I think it´s a really interesting theory but I can´t come to terms with thinking about trauma from this point of view! Especially if it´s linked to my desires/ beliefs/ motivations, which I clearly cannot control and oftentimes have trouble detecting right away. But I guess my brain just can´t imagine itself as a really, really complex, rational, unemotional thing. Thanks for the video! I will be writing an essay about eliminative Materialism :)
Thank you so much for this video! This really helped me with my class 😭I was so confused about eliminative materialism and you broke it down perfectly !
Glad it helped! Good luck in your studies.
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Great lecture Professor!
This video is so helpful thanks for sharing. I was searching about this subject because eliminative materialism is a manifestation of cientificism. The only cuestión that I still have is if eliminative materialism would eventually believe that we can be a program and everything we believe is real, it’s not, like Matrix.
Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
really well made video thank you for sharing.
Awesome and useful video!
Merci beaucoup pour votre vidéo.
THANK YOU SO MUCH this explains it all so well i was so lost with my readings but this helped a lot
Really intriguing. I'm not entirely sold on it but I think it's not all wrong. I think the idea is on to something, that our concept of the mind carries a lot of baggage and smuggles in a lot of hidden claims, claims that are often rooted in our cultural understanding. But I'm not convinced we should abandon the concept of the mind entirely or that the mind isn't real.
Eliminative physicalism, imo, is where philosophy of mind meets neuroscience and the and the seemingly daily discoveries of the mechanisms within the brain that produce our perceptions, our thoughts, our dreams, our feelings, actions, etc.
I think it was Patricia Kirkland who coined the term "neurophilosophy," and wrote a book by the same title, if memory serves, pioneering today's efforts to reconcile what we think with what we know and what we're learning every day. The recent work of Mark Solms - on both fronts, with his discovery of the brain mechanism responsible for dreaming and his own theory of mind proposed in his book "The Hidden Spring" - is eye-opening. And Anil Seth's work shouldn't be overlooked. If you haven't, you owe it to yourself to read his book, "Being You: A New Science of Consciousness." He also has several relatively recent lectures on You Tube.
Also, as we discover more about dream imaging, (Yes, this is real and new science!) the more we can prove that not only does the mind exist, but it is powerful to create a subreality in our subconscious that is only accessible during altered states of consciousness such as "dreaming". These subrealities, are not real, but do exist inside of every persons brain. It is a mental distortion of lived reality, processed by the neural network. And, we are getting to the point that we are starting to image it through neural mapping!
u had me until u brought up treatment for mental illness-- depression isnt always just a chemical imbalance in the brain, sometimes it is brought on by trauma or abuse. Unless you unpack all that trauma and/or abuse, you will continue in a cycle of depression regardless of neurological intervention. not to mention that most of those interventions don't actually help with those feelings, they just make you numb. Therapy is a useful tool for so many people
so the question is what's happening in real?
All of the objections appeal to concepts which an eliminative materialist would indicate are irrelevant. The appeal to qualia is based in qualia and psychological subjectivity, which they might would indicate are illusory and irrelevant, bounded in unverifiable and fuzzy semantics. The "self refuting" objection is circular, ascribing "belief" from the outside by those who do not accept that belief is an illusion. As a paradigm that is based upon data and examination it is not a "belief", more of a modus operandi. The epistemological objection is meaningless as other measures of "knowing", rather than material, are themselves "unknowable". They are circumscribed in systems that do not permit data and are without rigid means of determining falsehood other than language play.
Consciousness doesn't exist at least in the physicalist paradigm.
How will you treat depression if you can't talk about depression therefore you will not know which chemicals in the brain causes these feelings. At this point all you have is random chemicals and no real purpose.
Meaning in the future depression may be known to everyone as not a mental state, but a chemical imbalance in your brain, for example. And you can treat depression then, knowing what caused the imbalance and how to treat the imbalance. Its not that I agree, I'm pretty new to philosophy, I'm just explaining in the concept of eliminative materialism. We don't know what is true and what is not at this point in time yet
@@mintgi4136 I was thinking if you can't talk about your feelings then how will they be able to link chemicals with depression since youd have to be able to talk about your feelings in order to link the two. Maybe it will still allow people to talk about feelings but I was getting the impression that you couldn't
You will focus on the body consciously to gaugae what is your physiological state and regulate with meds for pain or therapy relational etc. The question is how do u know you are depressed without the word depression? Make sense?
This view is unfortunately not a great one. And, is problematic for a lot of reasons. Someone else pointed out that this doesn't necessarily deal with things in a realistic way. Due to fMRI studies, we are finding not only that the mind exists, but it is essentially the mental map made of neurons that interact with different sections of the brain. The mind, is that mental map. So, yes it still does exist, it is still real, we do still experience these things. The mind, is constantly changing and producing different connections, sort of trying to "fine tune" itself based on our experiences, narratives, education, and other factors.
The neural map is the mind, and neuroplasticity is the mechanism by which it changes, grows, and influences the mind. Mental states, are equivalent to the way this mental map is wired in reference to it's environment.