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- I have received many comments on my videos saying that there is no sensation of speed, and when I'm doing 200kph it looks like I'm doing 50! Hopefully this video will demonstrate why that is the case. :)
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Almost every day I come into work and sit down with my morning coffee, crack open the the laptop, and watch a Dave Cam video to start my day. Thanks for all of the amazing vids, one of my favorite youtubers.
i second this
Third
I want this guy's job.
I do the very same thing. Doing it now.
Really puts into perspective how important triple-monitors are, I really hadn't noticed it as clearly on my own setup.
Makes me happy I didn't fall for the ultrawide meme!
Thank you for this video dave!! There are some video ideas that I think would be cool. Like QnA type video once every few months where you can get opinions, or "IS THIS MY FAULT?" videos reviewing peoples races :') that would be really awesome, or just pick out a few questions some people might have every few videos, it could help them to become a better driver, calmer racer. Long time follower, keep what you're doing!
Great video Dave, thanks for taking the time to put it all together 👍🏻
That is a great vid and in my opinion one of the best ones. You do forget that what we see as viewers isnt what you see as creator/user
That was well worth the effort Dave Awesome job on explaining the difference. You da man!!!!!!
I like the GoPro footage better than the single screen. Seeing you hands and wheel and the reactions to the driving situation. You should definitely do more videos using the GoPro.
I really think you should do more POV full races like this!! 👍🏻
My rig has three 32” curved screens. Not expensive ones but quite a adequate. Make a Hugh difference for tight racing. It has improved my ability to race side by side to no end. I recommend a 3 screen set up over 1. Even if you have to have budget screens as I did the payback is worth it. Nice video Dave thanx.
Great comparison between the two cams, thanks for sharing!
Your vids are by far the most informative and interesting in the sim racing community
Superb. I want to see a whole race from the DaveCam.
Thank you for making this video, triple screens is where it's at.
Excellent video, Dave! I recently started adjusting my FOV settings and unless I triple up or go ultrawide, I'm experiencing part of the action.
Love the video! It's fascinating to see tracks I've done 1000 times myself but without the blinders 😂
We'll not talk about the absolute cursed compromise I used to use - ''one screen but 90+ FOV'' 🤣
Should definitely do more races with the GoPro. Kind of awesome.
The seamless bezel is still blowing my mind more than anything. Especially after looking at your monitors. They don't seem to have the thinnest bezel.
Hello thank you for this video. We can’t assume that everybody on track uses the same stuff. The guy next to you may use a small single monitor or perhaps he is in VR you can’t tell, but to keep it in mind to avoid incidents.
Very good insight.
As you are moving very fast in different (Sim)worlds, perhaps you consider to do a video about the differences that make you go fast in Iracing compared to ACC. Lately I gave Iracing a chance (having manly run ACC to that point, but your ranting on ACC got me thinking).
I did some Mazda MX5 racing and enjoy it quite a lot I’m on B Lizence and would like to do some GT3 racing, but struggle to get up to pace.
I know you need to use brake and throttle a bit different, I try to spot the difference while watching you racing, but it would be easier if you would make a video, go fast and tell a bit what you do.
1 screen, 3 screens, Dave looks like greased lightning either way! Great explanation, love my trip 27’s.
That Lotus sounded awesome. Great driving too, you were “on it” 👍
What i liked most from 16:9 1080p monitor going to 32:9 49" ultrawide is that fighting other cars and having more spatial awareness felt so so so much better. I could atleast see where most of my car was going right next to others in close battles. The amount of races i was able to avoid mistakes or damage or fights gone wrong dramatically improved, the more FOV you can get by triples or Ultrawide the better the racing will become. Atleast IMO.
good work Dave .So the easy answer is to do all your videos with the go pro they look the best anyway.thanks for the content
Boss makes a dollar and I make a dime, that's why I watch your videos on company time! Cheers from the States!
Good thinking 😁
Thank you for taking that pain up the backside for the rest of us Dave. Your sacrifice will be forever remembered.
I like those minimal hud videos with the go pro on your head 👍
That last clip is genuinely terrifying how fast it looks... I loved it.
Same experience here. Went from 49 UW to triple 32. I am not faster, but I spun less because I have a better feeling for rotation along the vertical axis.
One more thing: since setting distance from screen to 55cm (tip from race beyond matter) FOW feels so good, although my real distance from the screen is 64 cm.
@Stefan Wehinger Dave uses 27in screens so he has them that close anyway we do it because we're on triple 32in screens. Ideally you want your 32in screens in front of the base but our eyes won't handle that
Excellent video dave
Great setup Dave
Wow great video Dave. I've wondered but never really gave it much thought on how different it would be. It looks a lot immersive with triple screen. Did you notice much lap time from moving to triple screen ?
Yes I have much more situational awareness with triples and I use a lot more track 👍
I did some testing on a triple monitor simulator at a microcenter. And my simulator with a single ultrawide. I noticed I was a second faster on triple monitors than my single monitor. Having that extra information in your eyesight makes a big difference.
great vid as use triples myself i just need to figure out stream deck icons now
Now do one to show the difference between triple-screen and VR. 😋
Ill be selling my vr setup after getting triple 32inch setup alot more comfortable and just better qol all round for me anyway
I sent my Reverb G2 back, the picture quality is just not there yet unless you spend upwards of £2k for a Varjo Aero. I got three 50" screens for the same money as the Reverb ;)
You should keep the go pro triple view for all your videos. So much more immersive to view imo!
Very helpful!
Would love to see full race from the Gopro head cam footage if that's possible
Traxion GG channel, he released a POV race 20hrs ago...
Dave has done a fair few of those.
Watch any of the P.O.V. videos
Dope setup Dave, almost seamless!
@pete6891 it will be seamless to Dave. I use the bezel free kit and once you sit in the seat it all lines up perfectly
Nice bit of situational awareness and avoidance at 5:04 !
I kinda just want to see you do all the race videos with the GoPro only :D
Finally someone shows the differences and doesn't just babble that 3 monitors are better. NOW I can understand, accept and buy ;-). Thank you very much.
The Gro-pro looks way better for watching, just my opinion. I use a FOV of 92 then move the camera back until it feels right for me. it now looks and feels amazing every race is like being in the actual driving seat and every race seams like I'm on the edge of my pants
Thanks for the video
Love your setup! What size screens are those?
I’ve been racing in VR for almost 4 years now, coming from single monitor and Track IR. I’m currently using a Reverb G2 and even though I’ve never used triples, I feel like I get to experience the sense of speed from my peripheral vision, but not as good as triples because of the FOV limitation of the G2. I’m always hoping that a new version of the Reverb with a wider FOV will be introduced because other than that, the headset is great.
the counter argument here is that what you see in the G2 is actually kinda what you would see if you would wear a helmet. The Triple setup that dave has here lets you see even more than you would in real life. So in that aspect VR is even more realistic, like it or not :)
@@DanielWinterAt this is not totally the truth. Sure a Helmet narrows your vision, but not as much as a G2 and I have the fov mod. Niels Heusinkveld also made a video about this.
In a helmet I would guess your FOV is more like 170. Also your vertical fov is bigger. Never tried the Pimax, but I guess it's more like a pimax.
For me VR is without any doubt the preferred simracing tool, it's so much more immersive. At this stage lots of pros and cons comparing it with triples, but in the near future almost everybody will race in VR.
This makes me miss my triples. One day when I get a dedicated space again....
Hey Dave! Fantastic video really helping a lot in terms of deciding for the switch to triples.
The only thing I am really struggling with is usability with triples when you don't race. My P1-X pretty much is also my workstation and dozens of hours went into building it to do both. My 34" Alienware is still considered one of the best screens on the market, not just for perfomance but especially in terms of picture quality (colours, contrast, etc.). When I was recently at the Sim-Expo I didn't see a single screen that looked better than mine (although because maybe set-up in a hurry there) and I am so afraid of switching away from that phenomenal screen and then be disappointed.
How is it with gaming other stuff on a triple setup, how easy can you remove/reinstall the Bezel-Free-Kit etc? Really would love to hear from you as most other youtubers don't seem to be bothered answering long questions :D
Hey buddy. I leave my bezel kit on and have just got used to it now. It only takes a minute or so to disable surround if I wanted to do something with just a single screen. I use my rig for everything now and it's totally fine 😁
@@davecamm Wow that was super quick Dave, really appreciate it. Currently re-watching your other video about why you use 27" rather than 32" :)
That's a perfect demonstration as to why it is important to set the FOV correctly when sim racing.
Get it wrong and the whole perception of speed changes which can mess up hitting the turn in and braking points even on a single screen.
Keep up the good work.
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Yes, that’s my excuse…🤣
that Lotus around the 'ring is a permanent code brown
Beautiful set up. With a amazing field of view. Do you use a FOV calculator or do you have your own. Formula?
I just set things up until they look right. Sure I put some numbers in to get near, but then adjust to my liking 👍
the beezel kit is such an immersion boost
damn your setup looks amazing! Did you invest in some new gadgets? Haven't seen that wheel before, the button boxes look good and recently in your heal toe video I saw new pedals that I did not recognize. Also are these still 27 inch monitors? They look really nice and immersive. (edit:) I am currently on a 34 inch ultrawide, but I think triples will be what I will buy first when I am out of uni and have enough space haha.
Yes there have been a few changes, but the pedals are my Heusinkveld Ultimates which I've had for a while. Updated room tour coming soon 😁
@@davecamm I'm looking forward to the updated roomtour! Any particular reason you changed out the invicta's for the ultimates?
In general, in TH-cam videos, the triple looks better than it really is because you are seeing the cockpit and driver in 2d like the monitors, but in reality you are with a steering wheel in front of three flat screens, the vr is a before and an after in simracing. I have treple 27, I have 49 uktrawide, I have g2, I have cv1, rift s, quest 2. I had all this and I was changing it for that constant search for that point that is missing to be closer to the simulation and one does not know where it is.
Most people spectataing a single screen also look ahead at the track more so than a racer looking for breaking points. I still get the sense of speed because I watch what walls/curbs I am coming up to so I still retain my sense of speed
this video is amazing you should try to do a race with the pov it would be interesting
I've done a few. You can check out my latest on the Traxion TH-cam channel from this week 👍
oh right I'm not subbed that's why I didn't see them. thx Dave.
you were having too much fun driving the lotus 79 weren't you dave, I know I would be having a blast in it too
Oh yes, it's I was indeed 😁
I'm super unsure whether to get 3 screens or just a big ultrawide. What would you recommend? btw nice video like all of your content ^^
I've had both and triples win for me 👍
I noticed jitters on triple monitor set-up even if it was set to 144hz on all. On single monitor everything looks smooth,
Yeah yeah triple screens and all that but what sound system do you use!? That lotus sounded just..... incredible!
Great video! I got a question though: Are these really just 27" monitors like your description says? They look so much bigger...
Yep, I have 27" on both of my rigs. Definitely my sweet spot and no need to go bigger imo 👍
I get a decent FOV with my 60" 4K display so I don't suffer too much. If in future I have the space for triples I'll certainly go that way however.
Huge difference. I have a 34inch ultrawide, when I upgraded to that from my regular monitor it felt better. I wish I could fit triple screens but I don’t have space unfortunately. I use VR occasionally for the immersion, it’s great, but more a novelty every so often cause it’s such a faff to do. Triples seems the best all round option, if you have the space of course
We could see the difference better IMO if you showed the same clip w/o then w/ the GoPro, esp when passing something close like a bridge or large sign.
I remember w/ my first more realistic sim, F1 2000, w/ my mom’s slow PC on a 19” monitor. When I got to Monaco and passed into the tunnel after the hairpin I was terrified it was going to actually cut my head off. This despite driving past to it slowly & could tell it was ~ 15 ft high, the top of my car 3 ft, and it not being reality. It was two weeks b4 I could drive into it at full throttle @ 100 mph w/o feeling like I was going to have a heart attack.
Eyes melted. Magic 👍
Bit late to the party on this one Dave , can’t make my mind up to go with triples or stick with the vr , vr is great but does get a bit sweaty and battery dies to quick even when plugged in . Have you tried both ?
Everytime i watch one of your vids i just gotta power up the old csl and doss on some assetto corsa... triple 27's here too.. what angle do you have your monitors Dave? And what fov for Assetto Corsa?
Not sure in AC. It's been a while since I fired it up
I think people don't consciously realize that racing with a single screen is like racing with the blinders on. Even wearing a helmet in IRL, you will have a greater field of view. The only thing that is on par with triples is VR. Once I realized that most people (like myself) use single screens, I adjusted how I made overtakes and incident rate in iRacing went way down.
I agree with some of the comments below, Gopro footage is a lot better to look at than the single screen
Great video Dave. I have a question though. Why does it feel like you are going at 50km/h when your speed is like 200km/hr?
go watch "Low Vs High FOV - Which Is Faster ?" from the GamerMuscleVideos channel.
How do u have your setting to see it bump and sway like that. Just want to compare
as i donthave enought space at home i had to decide VR( motion sickness) or single + Delan Clip...takes some time but then its a big step from single monitor/TV...
My triples must be to small. I cannot see out of the right side of the car like you can in you’re video. Mine cuts off at the end of the dash. But longer races have become more bearable in vr.
Hi dave, i bought 3 curved screen 32 inch and i can't find my optimal far, height, and screen angle. Can u write eye to screen how many centimeters? Your screen to flat how many centimeters? And yours screen angles? Thanks a lot for your help.
I need help please!
I have 3x43 ultrawide 4K tvs as my triple setup and i have nvidea surround and i cant for love nor money get the picture right, everything looks huge and the left monitor looks huge and stretched and the right one looks small and stretched out. Ive tried CRU and ive spent wks trying to sort this out and i cant, i haven't been able to race cus of it....Thanks ✌🏻💙
how are you able to hide the black borders of the 3 monitors?
Thanks for that view. Im running a 49” ultrawide and looking to upgrade to triples. Do you think 27” are good enough?
I haven’t been able to sim race for a while due to health issues. Hopefully I can get back to it soon
Yes 27” monitors widely considered the go to for triple screen set up.
if you have enough space go for 32", especially if you coming from a 49" ultrawide, 27" are not much of an upgrade because they have the same height and more height = more immersive.
What kind of button box is that ?
if I have 34", can I use two 27" for second and third screens?
DIS IS GUD MON
Hey Dave what do you use for the joints where your three screens meet to hide the bezel?
It's the Asus Bezel Free kit 👍
Something about that halo strut... it appears on singlescreen (and could hide a bus) but disappears when you're running triples?
You have to disable it in the sim. It's now under the graphics options 👍
So i see you are using those ROG Bezel kits still.. SO after some use.. whats your thoughts?
Oh yes I am. After a while I get used to working around them when not sim racing. A must for those pov videos though 👌
wow that's crazy, what angle are you zoomed in at 50* you know when you press [ ] to go in and out, are you zoomed all the way forward ?
My fov is at 170. Screen angles at 50 Deg 👍
What wheel is that you are using in these videos and is it with a Fanatec base?
It's the VPG V-RSPG on a Simucube 👍
I definitely enjoy watching PoV videos more, and making them as well. I think for my content most of my stuff will just be PoV.
As always, great video, thanks for the awesome content!
What system do you use to hide your bezels? What size monitors do you use on your rig?
Almost certainly the Asus ROG Bezel Free Kit which I think is now discontinued sadly so eBay is where you'll have to go. Dave runs with 27" monitors.
For racing games that don't have VR support, I use single monitor and it sucks. Big reason why i've begun my journey in iRacing. VR support
I’m on triple 27 inch as well but it’s still really slow from my pov.
Finding vr the best option now for sim racing. Started off with the quest 2 which are excellent value for money and moved on from there. Can not race on flat screens now find it odd.
I did the same with the Quest 2 then moved on to the Vive Pro 2 to get more resolution and FOV. I won’t say it was easy fine tuning the VP2 but once there I could not be happier.
Thinking about triples, I play chase view in stock car / grand tourers and cockpit in single seater open wheelers. I just don't get a good feeling of where I am on the road in stock cars in cockpit, but I would really like to try triples. I saw a video of triples with 180 degrees FOV at 60 degrees and I thought that was the way it had to be set up, but that way I would fine cramp, now I'm more confused, I saw another video if you turn your head your FOV should be square with the center of the side screen, this second way should be a little more roomy, and I don't believe 180 degrees FOV is important unless your a horse.
ACC seems slow to me which is why I over drive the car sometimes.
Very poor sensation of speed.
could you please tell me how to set force feedback on acc
Are you still using the 27" ?
I need a link to those invisible bezel sleeves!
I'm not sure they are for sale any longer. It's just the Asus Bezel Free kit. You might get luck across the pond but here in the UK it's a no go. Good to see you 😁
I put the fov back a little to see side window. Haven’t got a triple screen yet.
Edit: did. recently get a vr headset and even at 90fps I drive a lot quicker then screen. Also rejoining track is easier just look over shoulder
Which one ? Fov is often much smaller than single screen.
I got a Reverb g2 and can see left mirror to middle dashboard
But yes. I am quicker too.
@@der60er yes the reverb g2 my first. Was a Little annoyed with the blurr on edges but it’s a cool experience
How far away are your monitors from your eyes? or What value did you input in the iRacing settings window?
I'm around 58cm. Same value 👍
@@davecamm thanks, I’m about 70cm, but would have to see if I can get them closer. I hear the closer the better.
Question: In the GT4 Porsche, is there a lot of the Passenger side seat head bolster visible for you? can still see my passenger mirror but there is no space between that and bolster. Id imagine its similar but i can never catch you turning your head that my to the right.
I may still need some tweaking for my settings. In your videos its looks a lot more space between mirror and bolster.
Eye Distance From screen 24” Fov is 160.
No I try not to have the seat on my screens. I run 170 fov
@@davecamm Ill give that a test. Thank you sir, appreciate it
If you get stuck give me a shout somewhere and I'll screenshot my settings for you 👍
@@davecamm Much appreciated, I just got my triple 27” set up so im at the stage of fine tuning everything which is somewhat of a pain. Thanks again! Cheers
So it looks like you eventually went back to triples after initially being very impressed with the 49" ultrawide. Can you give me some insight on why you switched back?
I used to do everything on my rig, but now it's just for sim racing so the extra screen width isn't that important. 👍
Not doing a Nascar race at Michigan this week, Davey Boy!?
Yes I'm hoping to try and get one done 😁
Well remembered 👍
@@davecamm hope you are able to fit one in. Just a bit of a warning, its been a little crazy in some races.
What are the things called for connecting your 3 screens so it looks like one. I have the problem that i have the borders in the way
They're called Bezel-Free Kits
@@sloth_energy finding a pair is another matter. The ASUS ROG Strix BFK was the go to but they extremely rare to find .
Personally, I would prefer to see all your races from this perspective or at least some of them.
How you dont get those black lines in between the screens ? I keep wondering I cant find the answer .
I use the Asus Bezel Free Kit 👍
@@davecamm I will check , thank you !