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The Breville “drip” coffee machine you used is basically a automatic pour over and probably more accurately does a pour over than doing it manually, so no surprised it tasted great. But grinding your own beans and doing a manual pour over is half the fun.
True! Regarded by many as one of the closest machines to a truly automated pour over device (hence the "precision"), so this is almost rigging the jury.
It’s all just palette preference, just how the tasting notes on the coffee bags are just a reference, even though multiple different coffee professionals will mostly get different tasting notes. No one method is really better than the other, it’s just whatever coffee taste better to you.
So essentially you're testing three different paper filter pourovers: Chemex with the thickest filter paper, V60 with a conical shape and thinner paper and the breville, which can do both a flat-bottom and a semi-flat bottom (where it goes onto a "line" of sorts in the bottom, but still with a single hole on the bottom). Whereas the Breville definitely is the most precise (hence the name, i know), all three produce vastly similar cups of coffee. Of course, a set program on the Breville to your liking will eliminate most human errors, but coffee can also be a lot about feel. Humidity, Temperature and other factors can change the way water flows through the coffee bed. For those who just want their cup of coffee and don't want to do much for it, automatic brewers like the Breville sure are the best choice. But as one gains interest in the matter, one enters the world of the diversity the coffee-community (if you want to call it like that). There are more ways to brew your V60, Chemex and other brewers that there are even annual Championships for the Aeropress held all over the world. The control manual brewing gives the home barista can get all the way into a ritual. TL;DR: The brewing methods are vastly similar mainly differing in paper thickness and automation as in the Breville. The taste may not be the reason people choose filter brews as much as ritual and connection to the cup one makes is (just like you said in the video).
I was thinking about this actually, when you have a type of coffee for a while, your pallet can cling onto newer or different things, that might be why you both liked the coffees you hadn’t been drinking. Food for thought
You forgot an important variable: your sense of taste. I used to work for a food company and take part in the blind tests of new products. I had my sense of taste tested. As it turned out, I could not sense a bitter taste in the sample (not like I don't know what bitter tastes like, there was a tiny amount of it in the sample cup). My colleague running the test could not believe I couldn't. To me,. it was just like tap water. That's why all the panel blind tests fundamentally don't make any sense. You can control all the variables except the person's ability to actually taste everything that's in that cup. It's like asking random people to assess the high-end audio equipment. Funny that while it's common knowledge that certain people hear more than others, we tend to think our ability to taste stuff is on par with everyone else's ability.
However, that's rather to the point... if a substantial portion of the population can't tell the difference, then many people don't need to buy the more expensive sound system, to continue your analogy, because they won't get anything extra out of it but they still do it because they want to have "the best."
@@Just_A_Dude True. In this case, however, it's two random people doing broscience, any conclusions of are simply worthless. You actually can make panel tests useful contrary to the bollocks I said here a year ago ;) just test the testers first to make sure they can sense the full spectrum and you'll have the good enough approximation of 'The Answer'. Whatever people do with it and how much it doesn't make a difference to their taste buds is their cup of coffee ;)
I bought the breville precision brewer and returned it about a week later. Temp turned all the way up still produced warm / weak coffee. I replaced it with the Ratio 6 and it’s the best decision I have in my 28 years On earth. Everybody wants my coffee. Side note.. I buy the Ad Astra coffee from trade and its incredible-MUST try
Speaking from Brazil: here you can find easy, a Ton of good coffee and ask to be toask right before be send to you. And i prefer expresso, hario V60, french press.
Drinking a PSL compared to a well executed pourover coffee is like Tang orange drink vs Fresh Squeezed. If you can’t handle the espresso by chucking in sugar and flavored syrups, you not might be a coffee drinker.
Automatic machines generally produce higher extractions because they are enclosed and trap in more heat, as well as pulse pour throughout the brew to raise extractions without loosing much heat. The Chemex on the other hand is made of glass which has terrible heat retention which produces a lower extraction (even less heat retention with its extremely wide mouth). The V60 (plastic) is a great heat insulator and its filter paper is more porous than the Chemex, causing faster brew times and much less channeling (coffee clogging the filter) which leads to under extracted particles and over extracted particles in certain parts of the brew bed. The filter paper on drip is generally even more porous than the V60 which can lead to really clean brews if your grind size is coarser than it normally is for V60 (since the automatic machines extraction will be higher, you can hit bitter/masking notes quick that kill off bright/acidic flavors). It's really surprising what a very small grind adjustment can do to bring out a coffees flavor. If you're not hitting noticeable differences for each brew method, i'd recommend using great water (Third Wave Water is a good start) and dialing in every coffee per brew method by grind size. Once you get those two things locked in, you can change the ratio for even more experimentation. Just thought i'd share a few bits and pieces. Love your content and I hope this can help get you some dope brews out of that drip (best one on the market IMO). P.S. the cupping "slurp" is to spray the coffee on all taste receptors on the tongue as well as vaporize to sense most of the taste from our nose.
(from my experience) the brew method doesn't *really* matter - it's the quality of coffee, water, grind size, and most importantly the water to bean ratio. Sure, certain coffees taste different (not necessarily better) with different brew methods, but it starts with the origin and quality of the coffee. when I go to a shop, rarely do I order a pour over - I'll just get drip of a good, quality coffee. Pour overs at shops (imo) have diminishing returns.
First, thanks for recording this in 4k!!! New TV and I can smell the coffee... V60 is way stronger than the Chemex, unless you use the same filter. Stronger would be v60 Chemex would be the cleanest. Drip would be in the middle.
Vlad Tepes Once upon a time her preferred coffee making vehicle (Mr Coffee?) was the very pinnacle of coffee brewing technology. I bet you back then there were people who would call that the epitome of pretentiousness.
Being a barista for the past 3 years iv watched many videos of people trying different brew methods, i can say that most are disappointing due to the fact that they dont do it right. Props to you man for doing the research about technique with the pour-over
The one thing to consider is that the drip brewing method is virtually error free. And that Breville brewer probably has to go through many hours of quality control testing before it can even appear on the market. Meanwhile, even if your Chemex and V60 techniques are flawless, each batch of coffee requires some time to "dial-in" the perfect brew. So I guess my point is that you might repeat this experiment 2 or 3 more times and choose differently. Personally, I brew coffee both ways. If I'm busy and want to drink 2 cups back to back I'll brew drip. If I have a bit more time I find the pour-over method to be more contemplative and fun in its process, regardless of the taste.
When I’m hiking, pour over coffee is my go to... and yes if you have the water to ground ratio to your liking, as well as some good coffee it’s phenomenal
Technically they are all pourovers. The one called “drip” by you is surely going to be more consistent than a “manual pourover”. Why ? Pretty obvious, machines are more consistent. Manual pourovers however can more precisely dial in a coffee where the person who is making it is a coffee professional, said that they are fun to make and anyone should do a pretty decent job with all the 3 by knowing the basics. Hope this was helpful
Hilarious, I had to make that point too it's really just a matter of style how you want to look when you make your coffee lol it's funny to me how some people pretentiously look down on a drip machine like I'll never use a coffee machine again after using pour over and it never occurs to them all they're doing is manually pouring hot water over the grounds, doing the same exact thing the machine does. To me it would have made more sense to do a pour over machine or manual versus a press.
Jeremy, you’re on to something with your #1 choice and how you like dark roasts, stronger whiskeys, and cigars. I choose pour over for the smoothness as well, but it really opens up light roasts and doesn’t lend itself to make dark roasty, toasty flavor profiles. Nice vid! I really enjoyed this one!!
JS, A few questions on the preparation: - did you adjust grind settings per brew method? - did water temperatures match between the styles? - you didn't include a full immersion method Thanks for great content.
Sorry if this is asked and answered; did you use paper filters or metal filters on the pour over? The oils allowed into the coffee without paper filters may change the taste and "mouth feel" of the coffee. This is a big thing for French press. Maybe go again with the French press?
Loved the video and not surprised at the results. Your 3 methods are very close to one another. But the two of you together and the rant was just gold to watch.
At the end of the day is just water pouring on top of a coffee bed. So I guess the automatic dripper is also a pourover. If you spend some time tuning the grind size and control the water temperature you can have a much stable brew with an automatic brewer of time. Do it by hand and you will use a different pouring rate each time
For me it's Kroger brand Kcup coffee ran through an old Keurig. After years of gallons and gallons of shipboard (Navy) mess deck coffee (always black), the Keurig works fine for me. I'm 67 yrs old now, and maybe I'll give in and try the pour over stuff one day. I don't have the patience to spend 30 minutes grinding beans/pouring water and all that's req'd. The doc may have to up my BP meds, lol. Good video though! 👍😎
Hey brotha, ya like what ya like. If that’s what ya dig, rock it loud and proud. No harm in some Kroger in your cup. 😉 Also, thank you for your service 🇺🇸
FWIW, I use Hario but that Precision brew is pretty much a pour over. If we ever buy another coffee machine, this will likely be the one. We have considered the Technivorm but Breville really his the mark with this brewer. I went through some comparisons myself. We had a Capressi and a Cuisinart machines. To me, they make coffee with less definition. They both put out muddled earthy coffees that you could not define any tastes. Once I dialed in the Hario, I found that all the aromas and flavors became totally evident. FYI, I found this video because I have been watching your whiskey vids.
Sour= under extracted, so re do the test except for Chemex either pour slower or grind finer. On another note if you like really full velvety brews, then what are you doing with paper filter methods? Just go for French Press.
i find that drip is more "rounded" & robust while pour-overs bring out more nuances in flavor... such as being particularly floral or tart. "better" is subjective. i prefer the pour over ritual as well as pouring a different cup as i so choose on any given day, despite using the same bean.
Manual is better for the simple fact that you have control over all the variables. Let's be honest, that Breville is top of the line but in the end, it just mimicks a pour over... For $300. Just go manual and put that $300 towards a nice grinder. Also, I highly recommend the 4:6 method in the v60. Adjust the water temperature to suit the roast profile and it'll give you the sweetest cup of coffee ever.
I just love the shirt!!! Haha, but ya V60 all the way for me.. it could just be the 5 minutes I get to zone out at work as I brew it... there’s always that. Great videos Jeremy! Keep crushing buddy!
I think pour oer coffee is not necessarily better than drip coffee. It just allows more flexibility when you brew. You can adjust brew speed, temperature for different coffee with pour over while you can only have one speed and one temperature with the drip machine.
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If compared to a drip machine, yes. Though it can end up bad too. It comes down to fresh beans, good water, and the right ratio of coffee to water. I have a V60 02 pour over with white paper filters. The key is to get the correct amount of coffee to water. Right now I do 21 grams of coffee to around 500 of water as seen on the 02 hario server. Drip leads to acidity and burnt taste. BY the way your wife is like mine. She don't care and just dumps coffee in and water and drinks lol I never buy preground. Quickest way to bad coffee. Always grind.
@@jessicageorge1646 My two espresso machines are the bottom of price range; a DeLonghi and a manual Flair. Taste wise, the Fair produces the sweeter, thicker, more flavorful liquid, but it’s a chore to set up and to clean, while the DeLonghi is a bit more practical in terms of use and the espresso can be very good if you have good beans and a good grinder. The moka pot is ok, more suited for traveling, and the taste is a bit bitter and acidic. The French press is also practical but the coffee seems weak to my taste.
I live alone, so the convenience makes it a winner, plus I can bounce between different coffees on a whim. It beats the Folgers in the 25 gallon urn at work, and does a good cigar justice.
I think you should recreate this with a pre-ground bag and a whole bean bag made both with a pour over and a cheap 10 dollar coffee maker and seeing if you taste the difference!
French press for the win! Drank coffee for 30 years, drip since forever, have 2 peculators, then tried the pour over, recently started using the French press method. I like strong rich coffee. Currently the French press method seems to give me a better cup. Taste is subjective and tends to change so who knows. What it will be next.
I use a Mr. Coffee that is one if there better ones and a gold filter without a paper filter. Am sure it's not as good as your 3 versions, but all the oils and such make it to my cup.
You can fine tune the taste with temperature, bloom time and the flow rate which is based on the type of pour over coffee maker. There is a magical ratio when it comes to the flow rate and cone size when it comes to coffee. Blue bottle coffee is some of the best on the market.
I started doing pour overs after watching an Alton Brown show about coffee 15 years ago. I've never gone back to a coffee maker. I don't even own one in fact. Just a ceramic funnel and a great kettle. All you need.
My two cents: the coffee,roast and grind are more important than the brew method. BUT all three are excellent brew methods. You can adjust the flavor in each brew method by tweaking the dose and grind. And make sure you’re using proper water, which is huge. And trying different temperatures of the brew water. (The slight sour means slight underextracted-grind finer or longer time)
I mainly do drip due to time but if I'm not pressed for time I do pour over. I have a Boudum pour over and a Coffee Ninja. I honestly don't taste a huge difference but I also don't use fancy coffee. Great video though.
It's probably based on what they are used to. I usually get sick of drinking the same coffee so I have a few different types that I go to based on how I feel. Also that coffee maker is actually a really good maker so it should really be compared to a cheaper maker. I'd get pour over to not pay for a machine one
the problem with the pour over for me, is unless you spend all this money on a goose neck kettle, a better than average grinder, a meticulous technique, great beans etc etc, its inconsistent and, mostly pretty good, but rarely great. and when its great, its like chasing a high all over again. im just not willing to spend so much money and fuss. Moke pot makes the best coffee i think, with the least amount of work. I only brew with moka now.
>has sick tats, rocks an insane beard and wears a Seiko and Oris watch Now this is someone i can 200% trust :) Would've loved for you to say the V60 was but hey i'll take 2nd place and 1st place. My V60 kit should arrive very soon so i'm pretty excited to try it out, thanks for this nice blind test video :D
I like the pour over because I put it away when its done and doesnt take up counter space in the kitchen like the ol drip coffee maker. Make super strong coffee and only have 24-32 oz gor the day.
So for a head-to-head blind tasting, the other variable to factor is brew temperature. Even a few degrees--say, between 199 and 204 deg. F--can make a definite difference in the cup. The Chemex and a quality bean yields a clean and bright cup, while Breville makes an excellent product. @Slugger 7 mentions James Hoffman for the V60. That guy is the British Mad Scientist of The Bean!
I love James Hoffman, I’ve learned a ton from his channel. As for the temp, I tried to keep that as consistent as possible. I used a Fellow Stagg Kettle for both pour overs with it set to the same temp 210°. That kettle is pretty bang on so hopefully that minimized the variable with those 2. The drip is a little different for sure. With the Breville you can set the brew temp but it only goes to 208°. So there was a couple degree difference there because the pour overs were at 210. 😉👍🏻
You two are great together, you really should weave in some "Spouse-s#it" Saturday! And I think the outcome is probably influenced by the fact that you would probably drawn to the thing you aren't used to on a regular basis?? Maybe. Looking forward to the next posting.
This is the first video I have seen from this channel (I think) and I hope the blind testing is a thing on here because that was a lot of fun to watch.
In my very limited coffee brewing aspirations, I've only determined that french press is my favorite as no filter is used to absorb any of the bean's oils or imparts minute additions. Coffee always comes out more intense, a bit more to the mouth feel. Then Vietnamese style for a treat. Because I'm lazy and poor, I also like to just line a traveler's coffee mug, rig a filter into it, fill will grounds and pour over just boiled water to brew. It's also better, in my opinion, to Mr. Coffee machine
First buffalo last, now drip first. Jeremy you slippin dawg! Love these blind taste test videos, it’s fun seeing you do it with your wife too. I wanna see more of them Boston’s, the wife and I just got one a month ago and they’re freakin hilarious!!
WoW, with a drip maker like that you did make this hard. The mechanical consistency with the drip brewer calls question to your pour-over technique. The ratio sounded fine (right in the Golden Ratio range). I do Chemex and have played enough with my technique to know how I process everything impacts the flavor profile. The ratio, grind size and technique can all be different for each roast and type of bean in use too. So, great video!
The fact that your least favorite coffee is the one you drink all the time, just shows that , among GOOD coffee-making methods anf GOOD coffee, people prefer a change in smell and flavor. A new unique taste is preferred - so just keep mixing it up and enjoy your coffee from different flavors and ways of making it!
I'm guessing before watching that it should be pretty much the same. A coffee pot IS pour over coffee. There are even coffee machines that use the cone pour-over filters. The reason people use the PO systems is that they get more control
Maybe drip (which I think is also a form of pour over as the water does come from the top) is not bad as long as you dont let the coffee burn for hours on the hot plate. So if freshly brewed and consumed there might be little to no difference???.
Awesome video! I’m pour over fan myself. But that Breville Precision Brewer might as well be a pour over. It’s not the usual coffee that it’s most homes. If I were to buy a drip machine, I would buy that Breville Precision Brewer.
Really enjoyed this video, very interesting results and I also love the way you two play off one another. Btw, the edit after the “shine” comment was priceless!! Lol
So, I wonder if you chose your opposites because it was done in a way that you were not used to. Your pallet was not used to that type of coffee brewing, so it stood out more than the others that you were more familiar with. Plus the fact that the drip maker does a bloom makes it (almost) as good as the other methods. Great video.Subscribing now.
Great video! I've made thousands of Pour-Over coffees. For me, it is simply a super "Zen" experience. That's why I do it now and will do it tomorrow, etc.
I use a pour on top every day for the purpose of not going the "easy way" lol. I.E. with a pour on top, you have to clean/take care of it after every use where just slapping a K Cup or brewing a whole pot and walking away is too easy. The coarser the grind, the more the flavor comes out with pour on top (generally, from my experiences at least.) My favorite coffee so far is Taste of Texas from Lola Savanah Coffee, I'll get a 2lb bag of whole bean for 30$ and experiment with the grinds.
Entertaining and enlightening taste test. I consider myself somewhat of a coffee snob, but sometimes drip coffee can be surprisingly good. I stopped drinking alcohol 13 years ago, so I enjoy pairing various types of cigars with my morning coffee at my local cigar lounge. It’s a relaxing hobby and allows me an escape, if only for a couple of hours. What cigars do you typically pair with your coffee? Kristoff Connecticut or a Perdomo Champagne work well for me. Mild and creamy. Doesn’t overpower the taste of the coffee. I look forward to checking more of your videos! Cheers!
Hey bro, just started watching your videos and wanted to say I’m loving the style! Having your wife in was an awesome contrast and made the video hilarious to watch! Keep up the good work.
Breville/sage brewer is kinda an unfair comparison. You can get a V60 and pouring kettle for not all that much, that drip brewer is hella good but very VERY expensive
I'm not a coffee consumer much other than that one cup in the morning to get me up and going. Are you guys drinking this coffee black? I was told when you add creamer or sugar you've ruined the coffee and it doesn't matter what or how you do coffee.
Hey! Just dropped by and I think you should make a point of comparison: how much coffee and water or at least the ratio for the three methods, and also the Breville is a pour over in my opinion, so... I thought maybe comparing Chemex to french press o aeropress would be a point of comparison... But if you're making a comparison between different pour over methods this is definitely a best start
All same grind and brew ratio would still yield different extraction strengths with these pour over methods as the time the water interacts with the coffee is different. Different filter papers will also let through different amounts of oil and small particles impacting body and texture in the final cup.
Agreed, the filter paper for the Chemex is what gives that one such a unique vibe if I remember correctly. I did adjust the grinds to match the brew though. On the Baratza Encore I used a 15 for the v60, a 19 for the Chemex, and an 18 for the auto. These are close to the recommended settings from Baratza and I have found they usually work pretty well for most coffees. 😉👍🏻
I was going to say, well, the drip you have is freaking amazing!! You beat me to it!! Haha.. love the interaction on camera between you two. I'm French press for life💪🏼💪🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Your video qualities are dope I subscribed after the video of you building a desk aha.. what camera are you using btw I can’t decide on the lumix gh5 or Sony a7iii?
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Nice video,good coffee. Greeting from Croatia.
Second hateraide comment today my friend. You are coming real close to getting blocked. Ads are the way people that do TH-cam as a living make an income. I only except sponsors that I like and feel my subscribers would enjoy or benefit from. I assure you, I have turned down many offers because I believe in keeping it real on here. As I mentioned in the other response. I try to keep this a positive place for people to have fun. Feel free to stop watching if you don’t enjoy the content and are going to continue with the crap attitude. ✌🏻
I always appreciate constructive criticism. Don’t get me wrong. It’s the constant negativity about things that are pretty common place for most full time youtubers like running ads that rubs me the wrong way.
Oh and I guess your hipster comment was your idea of class. Come on bro get real. Like I said, keep it positive and fun man. This isn’t a place for negativity. There is plenty of that around, I’m not going to deal with it on here. I want this to be a cool judgement free zone for guys to have fun. If that’s not what your into, than this might not be your spot. ✌🏻
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The Breville “drip” coffee machine you used is basically a automatic pour over and probably more accurately does a pour over than doing it manually, so no surprised it tasted great. But grinding your own beans and doing a manual pour over is half the fun.
so make sure I buy that machine?
edit: wooo! it's a 300 usd machine. I'm afraid to check what it costs in China.
True! Regarded by many as one of the closest machines to a truly automated pour over device (hence the "precision"), so this is almost rigging the jury.
This video is ridiculously silly 😂
I mean, the breville is a whole different level of drip coffee. Also, the method used for the pour over can make a difference.
Agree. That Breville is like top of the line for drip coffee. He may make error with the pour over. Still fun to watch tho
Yeah the breville has an option where you can use a v60 cone
Need to use a 20 dollar mr coffee from Wal Mart.
It’s all just palette preference, just how the tasting notes on the coffee bags are just a reference, even though multiple different coffee professionals will mostly get different tasting notes. No one method is really better than the other, it’s just whatever coffee taste better to you.
@@jed23ify if it’s the same coffee and the same brewed cup (same extraction) the professionals shouldn’t be getting notes that are too far off.
Paging Dr Hoffman, Dr Hoffman..?
You're needed on the Jeremy Siers channel..
Sorry bud. Dont think james will see this
Soooooo tru..... yikes this vdo is painful.
James Hoffman's v60 pourover technique is great, give that a go.
Love his channel. His technique is what I use with my V60 😉👍🏻
Rep the man James.
@@JeremySiers thats what I was thinking! That 30g to 500ml is sooo good!
Putting a divot in the grounds before pouring water and stirring the slurry make a remarkable difference
Yup! James Hoffman helped me take my coffee to the next level too. I'm rocking that Chemex every morning.
So essentially you're testing three different paper filter pourovers: Chemex with the thickest filter paper, V60 with a conical shape and thinner paper and the breville, which can do both a flat-bottom and a semi-flat bottom (where it goes onto a "line" of sorts in the bottom, but still with a single hole on the bottom). Whereas the Breville definitely is the most precise (hence the name, i know), all three produce vastly similar cups of coffee. Of course, a set program on the Breville to your liking will eliminate most human errors, but coffee can also be a lot about feel. Humidity, Temperature and other factors can change the way water flows through the coffee bed.
For those who just want their cup of coffee and don't want to do much for it, automatic brewers like the Breville sure are the best choice. But as one gains interest in the matter, one enters the world of the diversity the coffee-community (if you want to call it like that). There are more ways to brew your V60, Chemex and other brewers that there are even annual Championships for the Aeropress held all over the world. The control manual brewing gives the home barista can get all the way into a ritual.
TL;DR: The brewing methods are vastly similar mainly differing in paper thickness and automation as in the Breville. The taste may not be the reason people choose filter brews as much as ritual and connection to the cup one makes is (just like you said in the video).
I think it should be noted that the flow of water is not the same either. The way you pour can pretty drastically change the resulting cup.
I was thinking about this actually, when you have a type of coffee for a while, your pallet can cling onto newer or different things, that might be why you both liked the coffees you hadn’t been drinking. Food for thought
Bingo!
Indeed, came here to post the same idèa. Keep exploring and mix things up ;)
that's what i was about to comment but then I thought its obvious someone else might've already said this
Also the fact they used a really good coffee maker. I have a cheaper one so pour over is probably wayy better
I liked seeing you with your wife. Totally different side of you in my opinion. It guys bounce off each other like me and mine. That’s great!!
Thanks! 😊
More taste tests!! Love these vids
Oh shit!! My man Daniel Schiffer in the house!! Love your stuff brotha! We gotta chat sometime. 🤜🏻🤛🏻
This comment just made this channel worth a million dollars
Yes!!!
Collab tho? 100% would tune in.
This guy's voice is so soothing and relaxing and I can't help but comment.
Honestly, for me, I just love the process of making a pour over. It's a nice morning ritual to calmly wake up.
You forgot an important variable: your sense of taste. I used to work for a food company and take part in the blind tests of new products. I had my sense of taste tested. As it turned out, I could not sense a bitter taste in the sample (not like I don't know what bitter tastes like, there was a tiny amount of it in the sample cup). My colleague running the test could not believe I couldn't. To me,. it was just like tap water. That's why all the panel blind tests fundamentally don't make any sense. You can control all the variables except the person's ability to actually taste everything that's in that cup. It's like asking random people to assess the high-end audio equipment. Funny that while it's common knowledge that certain people hear more than others, we tend to think our ability to taste stuff is on par with everyone else's ability.
However, that's rather to the point... if a substantial portion of the population can't tell the difference, then many people don't need to buy the more expensive sound system, to continue your analogy, because they won't get anything extra out of it but they still do it because they want to have "the best."
@@Just_A_Dude True. In this case, however, it's two random people doing broscience, any conclusions of are simply worthless. You actually can make panel tests useful contrary to the bollocks I said here a year ago ;) just test the testers first to make sure they can sense the full spectrum and you'll have the good enough approximation of 'The Answer'. Whatever people do with it and how much it doesn't make a difference to their taste buds is their cup of coffee ;)
"Pour-Over" Coffee is pretty standard/common in Asian countries - it's quick, authentic, and cheap. Brewed coffee without a coffee-maker.
I bought the breville precision brewer and returned it about a week later. Temp turned all the way up still produced warm / weak coffee. I replaced it with the Ratio 6 and it’s the best decision I have in my 28 years On earth. Everybody wants my coffee. Side note.. I buy the Ad Astra coffee from trade and its incredible-MUST try
Speaking from Brazil: here you can find easy, a Ton of good coffee and ask to be toask right before be send to you. And i prefer expresso, hario V60, french press.
“Pour over coffee seems to be more popular than a pumpkin spice latte in October” shots fired! 🤣
Drinking a PSL compared to a well executed pourover coffee is like Tang orange drink vs Fresh Squeezed. If you can’t handle the espresso by chucking in sugar and flavored syrups, you not might be a coffee drinker.
@@sunnycharacter I think the point is ‘wow, a lot of people are getting into pour over’ and less of being a dig at people who do like PSL.
@@johnespino886 I get it. I still can’t swallow a PSL. Way too sweet.
Automatic machines generally produce higher extractions because they are enclosed and trap in more heat, as well as pulse pour throughout the brew to raise extractions without loosing much heat. The Chemex on the other hand is made of glass which has terrible heat retention which produces a lower extraction (even less heat retention with its extremely wide mouth). The V60 (plastic) is a great heat insulator and its filter paper is more porous than the Chemex, causing faster brew times and much less channeling (coffee clogging the filter) which leads to under extracted particles and over extracted particles in certain parts of the brew bed. The filter paper on drip is generally even more porous than the V60 which can lead to really clean brews if your grind size is coarser than it normally is for V60 (since the automatic machines extraction will be higher, you can hit bitter/masking notes quick that kill off bright/acidic flavors). It's really surprising what a very small grind adjustment can do to bring out a coffees flavor. If you're not hitting noticeable differences for each brew method, i'd recommend using great water (Third Wave Water is a good start) and dialing in every coffee per brew method by grind size. Once you get those two things locked in, you can change the ratio for even more experimentation.
Just thought i'd share a few bits and pieces. Love your content and I hope this can help get you some dope brews out of that drip (best one on the market IMO).
P.S. the cupping "slurp" is to spray the coffee on all taste receptors on the tongue as well as vaporize to sense most of the taste from our nose.
The most fun blind tasting I’ve ever watched! Hope you guys can do more of these. It’s also cool that you are doing this as a couple! 😍☕️
(from my experience) the brew method doesn't *really* matter - it's the quality of coffee, water, grind size, and most importantly the water to bean ratio. Sure, certain coffees taste different (not necessarily better) with different brew methods, but it starts with the origin and quality of the coffee. when I go to a shop, rarely do I order a pour over - I'll just get drip of a good, quality coffee. Pour overs at shops (imo) have diminishing returns.
Best channel on TH-cam. Now that I’m 21 I can try everything he talks about 🤟🏽🤟🏽
Enjoy young pup!
WHO IS SERAFIN Yesterday I was this pups age. I woke up this morning about the same age as Jeremy.
21😂. I always forget how primitive American laws are.
You need to be 21 to drink coffee?
First, thanks for recording this in 4k!!!
New TV and I can smell the coffee... V60 is way stronger than the Chemex, unless you use the same filter.
Stronger would be v60
Chemex would be the cleanest.
Drip would be in the middle.
Wife be thinking "this is pretentious as hell. Just gimme a cup of coffee" ;p
Vlad Tepes Once upon a time her preferred coffee making vehicle (Mr Coffee?) was the very pinnacle of coffee brewing technology. I bet you back then there were people who would call that the epitome of pretentiousness.
Being a barista for the past 3 years iv watched many videos of people trying different brew methods, i can say that most are disappointing due to the fact that they dont do it right. Props to you man for doing the research about technique with the pour-over
The one thing to consider is that the drip brewing method is virtually error free. And that Breville brewer probably has to go through many hours of quality control testing before it can even appear on the market. Meanwhile, even if your Chemex and V60 techniques are flawless, each batch of coffee requires some time to "dial-in" the perfect brew. So I guess my point is that you might repeat this experiment 2 or 3 more times and choose differently. Personally, I brew coffee both ways. If I'm busy and want to drink 2 cups back to back I'll brew drip. If I have a bit more time I find the pour-over method to be more contemplative and fun in its process, regardless of the taste.
The chemistry between you two is awesome. More videos with her.
When I’m hiking, pour over coffee is my go to... and yes if you have the water to ground ratio to your liking, as well as some good coffee it’s phenomenal
Technically they are all pourovers. The one called “drip” by you is surely going to be more consistent than a “manual pourover”. Why ? Pretty obvious, machines are more consistent. Manual pourovers however can more precisely dial in a coffee where the person who is making it is a coffee professional, said that they are fun to make and anyone should do a pretty decent job with all the 3 by knowing the basics. Hope this was helpful
Hilarious, I had to make that point too it's really just a matter of style how you want to look when you make your coffee lol it's funny to me how some people pretentiously look down on a drip machine like I'll never use a coffee machine again after using pour over and it never occurs to them all they're doing is manually pouring hot water over the grounds, doing the same exact thing the machine does. To me it would have made more sense to do a pour over machine or manual versus a press.
CitrusMcfly ☕️ would have loved to have seen the test include a stovetop percolator like my grandmother used.
Jeremy, you’re on to something with your #1 choice and how you like dark roasts, stronger whiskeys, and cigars. I choose pour over for the smoothness as well, but it really opens up light roasts and doesn’t lend itself to make dark roasty, toasty flavor profiles. Nice vid! I really enjoyed this one!!
Thanks man! I think you’re probably right!
JS,
A few questions on the preparation:
- did you adjust grind settings per brew method?
- did water temperatures match between the styles?
- you didn't include a full immersion method
Thanks for great content.
Would you like to speak to his manager??? 😂
Christian De Leon yes I would. 🤣
Sorry if this is asked and answered; did you use paper filters or metal filters on the pour over? The oils allowed into the coffee without paper filters may change the taste and "mouth feel" of the coffee. This is a big thing for French press. Maybe go again with the French press?
Loved the video and not surprised at the results. Your 3 methods are very close to one another. But the two of you together and the rant was just gold to watch.
At the end of the day is just water pouring on top of a coffee bed. So I guess the automatic dripper is also a pourover. If you spend some time tuning the grind size and control the water temperature you can have a much stable brew with an automatic brewer of time. Do it by hand and you will use a different pouring rate each time
For me it's Kroger brand Kcup coffee ran through an old Keurig. After years of gallons and gallons of shipboard (Navy) mess deck coffee (always black), the Keurig works fine for me. I'm 67 yrs old now, and maybe I'll give in and try the pour over stuff one day. I don't have the patience to spend 30 minutes grinding beans/pouring water and all that's req'd. The doc may have to up my BP meds, lol.
Good video though! 👍😎
Hey brotha, ya like what ya like. If that’s what ya dig, rock it loud and proud. No harm in some Kroger in your cup. 😉 Also, thank you for your service 🇺🇸
FWIW, I use Hario but that Precision brew is pretty much a pour over. If we ever buy another coffee machine, this will likely be the one. We have considered the Technivorm but Breville really his the mark with this brewer. I went through some comparisons myself. We had a Capressi and a Cuisinart machines. To me, they make coffee with less definition. They both put out muddled earthy coffees that you could not define any tastes. Once I dialed in the Hario, I found that all the aromas and flavors became totally evident. FYI, I found this video because I have been watching your whiskey vids.
Isn’t the brevel technically a pourover too? Battle of the pourovers!!!!!
Yes! The main differences are in the filters which make a (slight) difference.
Yes they are all "pour over". Taking the grind size are all the same, it's all about timing, blooming time, flow rate of the water, ratio.
Jeremy Siers Video + Coffee = Instant view! Great vid. Always something I have wondered about
Sour= under extracted, so re do the test except for Chemex either pour slower or grind finer. On another note if you like really full velvety brews, then what are you doing with paper filter methods? Just go for French Press.
i find that drip is more "rounded" & robust while pour-overs bring out more nuances in flavor... such as being particularly floral or tart. "better" is subjective.
i prefer the pour over ritual as well as pouring a different cup as i so choose on any given day, despite using the same bean.
Manual is better for the simple fact that you have control over all the variables. Let's be honest, that Breville is top of the line but in the end, it just mimicks a pour over... For $300. Just go manual and put that $300 towards a nice grinder. Also, I highly recommend the 4:6 method in the v60. Adjust the water temperature to suit the roast profile and it'll give you the sweetest cup of coffee ever.
I just love the shirt!!! Haha, but ya V60 all the way for me.. it could just be the 5 minutes I get to zone out at work as I brew it... there’s always that. Great videos Jeremy! Keep crushing buddy!
I think pour oer coffee is not necessarily better than drip coffee. It just allows more flexibility when you brew. You can adjust brew speed, temperature for different coffee with pour over while you can only have one speed and one temperature with the drip machine.
Great Video, Brother!!! Awesome to See You & Big Al Working Together Again. The Results of this Taste Test Show the Fabulous Compatibly of You as a Couple. Love & Blessings to Both and the Kiddos ❤️❤️🤓🙏❤️❤️❤️
Now you need to add aeropress as a contestant.
Aeropress is definitely the best.
That was the first thing I thought. AeroPress is the most versatile
Aero press is my fav. I still do pour over for fun. But aero press tastes better
If compared to a drip machine, yes. Though it can end up bad too. It comes down to fresh beans, good water, and the right ratio of coffee to water. I have a V60 02 pour over with white paper filters. The key is to get the correct amount of coffee to water. Right now I do 21 grams of coffee to around 500 of water as seen on the 02 hario server. Drip leads to acidity and burnt taste. BY the way your wife is like mine. She don't care and just dumps coffee in and water and drinks lol I never buy preground. Quickest way to bad coffee. Always grind.
I don’t know why I am watching this, I have two espresso machines, a French press, and a moka pot.
Because you need a v60 in your life ;)
French press is an immersion brew not for espresso
@@dripdragon5398 ¡Exacto!
Which one u think is best
@@jessicageorge1646 My two espresso machines are the bottom of price range; a DeLonghi and a manual Flair. Taste wise, the Fair produces the sweeter, thicker, more flavorful liquid, but it’s a chore to set up and to clean, while the DeLonghi is a bit more practical in terms of use and the espresso can be very good if you have good beans and a good grinder. The moka pot is ok, more suited for traveling, and the taste is a bit bitter and acidic. The French press is also practical but the coffee seems weak to my taste.
I live alone, so the convenience makes it a winner, plus I can bounce between different coffees on a whim. It beats the Folgers in the 25 gallon urn at work, and does a good cigar justice.
I think you should recreate this with a pre-ground bag and a whole bean bag made both with a pour over and a cheap 10 dollar coffee maker and seeing if you taste the difference!
French press for the win! Drank coffee for 30 years, drip since forever, have 2 peculators, then tried the pour over, recently started using the French press method. I like strong rich coffee. Currently the French press method seems to give me a better cup. Taste is subjective and tends to change so who knows. What it will be next.
I use a Mr. Coffee that is one if there better ones and a gold filter without a paper filter. Am sure it's not as good as your 3 versions, but all the oils and such make it to my cup.
You can fine tune the taste with temperature, bloom time and the flow rate which is based on the type of pour over coffee maker. There is a magical ratio when it comes to the flow rate and cone size when it comes to coffee. Blue bottle coffee is some of the best on the market.
I don’t even drink coffee or whiskey, but I love your videos! Stay real Jeremy! 👍🏽👍🏽
I started doing pour overs after watching an Alton Brown show about coffee 15 years ago. I've never gone back to a coffee maker. I don't even own one in fact. Just a ceramic funnel and a great kettle. All you need.
My two cents: the coffee,roast and grind are more important than the brew method. BUT all three are excellent brew methods. You can adjust the flavor in each brew method by tweaking the dose and grind. And make sure you’re using proper water, which is huge. And trying different temperatures of the brew water. (The slight sour means slight underextracted-grind finer or longer time)
Your wife's attitude is on point!! HA HA. The couples dynamic is funny! Good stuff.
Sometimes it comes down to the flavor coffee. One flavor vs. another may brew differently. Need to try this again with either a well known coffee.
I just got done watching your air filtration vid and was wondering if you still planned on showing us the full setup. Cheers!
I mainly do drip due to time but if I'm not pressed for time I do pour over. I have a Boudum pour over and a Coffee Ninja. I honestly don't taste a huge difference but I also don't use fancy coffee. Great video though.
Just wanted to chime in and say that your lighting is on point sir. :-) I'm enjoying your videos.
It's probably based on what they are used to. I usually get sick of drinking the same coffee so I have a few different types that I go to based on how I feel. Also that coffee maker is actually a really good maker so it should really be compared to a cheaper maker. I'd get pour over to not pay for a machine one
For me, drip coffee in the morning & pour over in the afternoon.
Great video as always.
Ohhhh that’s an interesting method. Cheers ☕️
Just joined the BRCC and am really enjoying their coffee and really support what they are all about🇺🇸
the problem with the pour over for me, is unless you spend all this money on a goose neck kettle, a better than average grinder, a meticulous technique, great beans etc etc, its inconsistent and, mostly pretty good, but rarely great. and when its great, its like chasing a high all over again. im just not willing to spend so much money and fuss. Moke pot makes the best coffee i think, with the least amount of work. I only brew with moka now.
>has sick tats, rocks an insane beard and wears a Seiko and Oris watch
Now this is someone i can 200% trust :)
Would've loved for you to say the V60 was but hey i'll take 2nd place and 1st place.
My V60 kit should arrive very soon so i'm pretty excited to try it out, thanks for this nice blind test video :D
I always get more floral and fruit notes from pour over and cold brew. that breville has been on my wish list for a while
I like the pour over because I put it away when its done and doesnt take up counter space in the kitchen like the ol drip coffee maker. Make super strong coffee and only have 24-32 oz gor the day.
How the hell didn't I found this channel before !?
This guy's editing skills are just dope !
So for a head-to-head blind tasting, the other variable to factor is brew temperature. Even a few degrees--say, between 199 and 204 deg. F--can make a definite difference in the cup. The Chemex and a quality bean yields a clean and bright cup, while Breville makes an excellent product. @Slugger 7 mentions James Hoffman for the V60. That guy is the British Mad Scientist of The Bean!
I love James Hoffman, I’ve learned a ton from his channel. As for the temp, I tried to keep that as consistent as possible. I used a Fellow Stagg Kettle for both pour overs with it set to the same temp 210°. That kettle is pretty bang on so hopefully that minimized the variable with those 2. The drip is a little different for sure. With the Breville you can set the brew temp but it only goes to 208°. So there was a couple degree difference there because the pour overs were at 210. 😉👍🏻
You two are great together, you really should weave in some "Spouse-s#it" Saturday! And I think the outcome is probably influenced by the fact that you would probably drawn to the thing you aren't used to on a regular basis?? Maybe. Looking forward to the next posting.
Thanks 😊
This is the first video I have seen from this channel (I think) and I hope the blind testing is a thing on here because that was a lot of fun to watch.
In my very limited coffee brewing aspirations, I've only determined that french press is my favorite as no filter is used to absorb any of the bean's oils or imparts minute additions. Coffee always comes out more intense, a bit more to the mouth feel. Then Vietnamese style for a treat. Because I'm lazy and poor, I also like to just line a traveler's coffee mug, rig a filter into it, fill will grounds and pour over just boiled water to brew. It's also better, in my opinion, to Mr. Coffee machine
And, why did you choose the carafe versus glass on your Breville?
"You're shiny". Are you trying to sleep on the couch? 😆
🤣
First buffalo last, now drip first. Jeremy you slippin dawg! Love these blind taste test videos, it’s fun seeing you do it with your wife too. I wanna see more of them Boston’s, the wife and I just got one a month ago and they’re freakin hilarious!!
WoW, with a drip maker like that you did make this hard. The mechanical consistency with the drip brewer calls question to your pour-over technique. The ratio sounded fine (right in the Golden Ratio range). I do Chemex and have played enough with my technique to know how I process everything impacts the flavor profile. The ratio, grind size and technique can all be different for each roast and type of bean in use too. So, great video!
When he said the winner "Fell On Black Days" chorus started playing in my head
You're such a lovely couple. Great idea and so much fun watching these blind tastings.
Thanks 😊
The fact that your least favorite coffee is the one you drink all the time, just shows that , among GOOD coffee-making methods anf GOOD coffee, people prefer a change in smell and flavor. A new unique taste is preferred - so just keep mixing it up and enjoy your coffee from different flavors and ways of making it!
Loved the review Joe Thornton, looking forward to seeing you back on the ice next year!
I'm guessing before watching that it should be pretty much the same. A coffee pot IS pour over coffee. There are even coffee machines that use the cone pour-over filters. The reason people use the PO systems is that they get more control
I like French press and percolated coffee myself
Maybe drip (which I think is also a form of pour over as the water does come from the top) is not bad as long as you dont let the coffee burn for hours on the hot plate. So if freshly brewed and consumed there might be little to no difference???.
Awesome video! I’m pour over fan myself. But that Breville Precision Brewer might as well be a pour over. It’s not the usual coffee that it’s most homes. If I were to buy a drip machine, I would buy that Breville Precision Brewer.
Really enjoyed this video, very interesting results and I also love the way you two play off one another. Btw, the edit after the “shine” comment was priceless!! Lol
Awesome video, nice job to you both! 😁👍
French Press is my prefered method. Strong, nice brew time, and has an enjoyable ritual to it as well
This video was so cool with Jeremy with no hat lol and Mrs Siers making a cameo. Thanks for the great fun. You guys are awesome.
So, I wonder if you chose your opposites because it was done in a way that you were not used to. Your pallet was not used to that type of coffee brewing, so it stood out more than the others that you were more familiar with. Plus the fact that the drip maker does a bloom makes it (almost) as good as the other methods. Great video.Subscribing now.
Great video! I've made thousands of Pour-Over coffees. For me, it is simply a super "Zen" experience. That's why I do it now and will do it tomorrow, etc.
I use a pour on top every day for the purpose of not going the "easy way" lol. I.E. with a pour on top, you have to clean/take care of it after every use where just slapping a K Cup or brewing a whole pot and walking away is too easy. The coarser the grind, the more the flavor comes out with pour on top (generally, from my experiences at least.) My favorite coffee so far is Taste of Texas from Lola Savanah Coffee, I'll get a 2lb bag of whole bean for 30$ and experiment with the grinds.
Entertaining and enlightening taste test. I consider myself somewhat of a coffee snob, but sometimes drip coffee can be surprisingly good. I stopped drinking alcohol 13 years ago, so I enjoy pairing various types of cigars with my morning coffee at my local cigar lounge. It’s a relaxing hobby and allows me an escape, if only for a couple of hours. What cigars do you typically pair with your coffee? Kristoff Connecticut or a Perdomo Champagne work well for me. Mild and creamy. Doesn’t overpower the taste of the coffee. I look forward to checking more of your videos! Cheers!
Hey bro, just started watching your videos and wanted to say I’m loving the style! Having your wife in was an awesome contrast and made the video hilarious to watch! Keep up the good work.
36 grams coffee and 755 ml water for me. Community Coffee Chicory and Coffee blend is my go to.
I would like to see how you rate coffee made in a percolator only a blind test against other brew styles. Thanks for the video!
Breville/sage brewer is kinda an unfair comparison. You can get a V60 and pouring kettle for not all that much, that drip brewer is hella good but very VERY expensive
I'm not a coffee consumer much other than that one cup in the morning to get me up and going. Are you guys drinking this coffee black? I was told when you add creamer or sugar you've ruined the coffee and it doesn't matter what or how you do coffee.
Hey! Just dropped by and I think you should make a point of comparison: how much coffee and water or at least the ratio for the three methods, and also the Breville is a pour over in my opinion, so... I thought maybe comparing Chemex to french press o aeropress would be a point of comparison... But if you're making a comparison between different pour over methods this is definitely a best start
All same grind and brew ratio would still yield different extraction strengths with these pour over methods as the time the water interacts with the coffee is different. Different filter papers will also let through different amounts of oil and small particles impacting body and texture in the final cup.
Agreed, the filter paper for the Chemex is what gives that one such a unique vibe if I remember correctly. I did adjust the grinds to match the brew though. On the Baratza Encore I used a 15 for the v60, a 19 for the Chemex, and an 18 for the auto. These are close to the recommended settings from Baratza and I have found they usually work pretty well for most coffees. 😉👍🏻
I was going to say, well, the drip you have is freaking amazing!! You beat me to it!! Haha.. love the interaction on camera between you two. I'm French press for life💪🏼💪🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks man 😊
What kind of electric kettle do you use for water when using the V60?
Your video qualities are dope I subscribed after the video of you building a desk aha.. what camera are you using btw I can’t decide on the lumix gh5 or Sony a7iii?