I like how Miles’ “have two cakes” joke with the counsellor comes up in multiple ways. He literally buys two cakes for his dads party after not having enough space for one. And he is the only spider person who wants metaphorically “have his cake and eat it too” by saving his dad and saving the canon. Incredibly well written film
That and the theme that he needs to learn that you cannot have your cake and eat it too because both cakes are ruined and he needed to go buy a new cake because of it
Animated Spider-Punk was a legend! Didn’t care for Miguel’s authority, covertly helped Miles escape & lookout for Gwen. Hobie honestly is the goat, my man supported Miles and never actually agreed with Miguel's strict rules.
Hobie making his own watch was even better becuase it showed how smart he truly is while still being punk and being his own person, it also shows how all of the spider people really don’t need to rely on Miguel as much as they think they do
Part of being punk (and goth), at least traditionally, is stitching your own stuff together. There wasn't any faux punk/goth dropshipped nonsense but people converting old stuff into their looks. They also made their own jewelry and made their own media, like zines.
I mean none of them really act like they need to be there. They choose to because they believe they can help more people that way, because that is a common thread of most spider-people. In fact, you notice it in how a lot of them act. Except for noobies like Gwen pretty much nobody really treats Miguel like he is much of a authority figure. They are all non-stop clowning on him, with a few like spiderpunk pretty blatantly against the system, I very much doubt anyone was under any illusion that he was a fan of how things were being ran.
Spider-Punk is so amazingly written. Mixing the 1970s british Punk Rock culture with his amazing style of animation is so beautiful to watch. it shows that the animators not only care about the characters, but the cultures and communities they arise from. A 11/10 movie!
its incredibly refreshing to see a movie get punk right, most of the time they make punk characters villains which is, so ironic in my opinion. gotta love hobie
Shoutout to Hobie the Spider-Punk. They could've just made him the typical jerk or rival or that cringey love triangle trope but nope he's a really great guy. Supportive, fun, unique, and even when Miles gets trapped with everyone arguing Hobie is the only one to go "Hey, remember that trick I showed you" and he didn't chase after Miles.
I mean...he could've help Miles from running away from so many Spider-Men. And even give him his watch to quickly go back to his universe and save his dad. Just saying
@@Ultrahippie42 And what's stopping him from turning it back on if he can make a whole new one from scratch? 2099 had to remove Miles wristband by hand and the glitching started happening, couldn't he have turned that one off to make the chase favour to him and his team? Edit: Plus, Hobie wasn't outed by anyone for indirectly helping Miles, he did it himself. He purposely lost his element of surprise and connection to the Spider-Society when he could've taken it to his advantage and get even more watches to not be controlled by 2099 for those who disagrees with 2099's stance.
I just appreciate that these movies are helping remove the stigma that animated films can’t be emotionally powerful and enjoyable to all audiences. I’m still annoyed the Oscar’s have a animated section as if it’s a genre when it’s really a medium for any genre.
I’m hoping the Oscars will nominate it for Best Picture. Obviously it won’t win, we’re not far enough for that, but just a simple nomination feels possible and it could be the start of the medium gaining more respect at that show.
they still make jokes about animation being the genre you have to painstakingly sit and watch with your children at those awards shows. it will take a while to change, on top of animation is also going to have a little more diversity with more genres, especially drama (you know people eat up drama). so much of animation is sitcom stuff.
Little thing about Miguel O'Hara: He's half-spider, like literally. He was a famous geneticist in his timeline trying to recreate the powers of the original Peter Parker, an accident happens and he more or less gets what he wants but not exactly. A quick rundown of his powers: - He's stronger physically than your average spiderman - No spidersense, he instead has extremely heightened hearing and sight - Can't stick to walls naturally, he uses retractable talons on his hands and feet to climb - He is among the few spidermen that develop their own webbing from their body - He has "spider fangs" that he can use to paralyze his targets should he bite them - His suit is extremely durable but malleable enough to allow his talons to come out and not tear through the suit and also allows him to glide with a web-like material connecting from his forearm to his ribs (imagine like a flying squirrel) Also, my current theory on why he looks so different compared to how he appeared in end credits of the first one is because of the serum he was injecting himself with. Essentially, he's been amping his powers as he may have thought that his prior abilities were not enough to protect the spiderverse
That's not his origin his boss was drugging his employees to keep them addicted and since they could only get it from the boss they had to work he worked to cure himself of the addiction and accidentally gave himself powers.
"Aren't you in a band?" "I don't believe in consistency" "There you go." "Hobie you're not helping." "Good." "And YOU....I'm gonna pretend you're not even here....I-I just can't with you." "I ain't even here." "Just a tip use your palms not just your fingers." Hobie is such a king. He came in, stirred some sht, and dipped. I think he'd absolutely LOVE hanging out with Tom, Andrew and Tobey. Who let's be real would be team free will 100%.
Didn't Toby and Andrew say in No Way Home that its the Sacrifices that make them Spiderman? Tom would 100% be on Miles's side, but I have a feeling that the beaten down Toby and Andrew would side with Miguel.
That's probably going to be the biggest problem for this movie in the near future "why is miles the one to break the rule and not [insert favorite version of peter parker], he would never side with miguel"
Even Mayday Parker is an anomaly, with Miles Morales being the reason Peter B. Parker wanted to have kids. Meaning Mayday could cause problems in the next movie
Idts, in case of pavitr his cannon event was supposed to be caused by spot entering his dimension from another one, so cannon events can be caused by external agents to that universe
@@fundoo203 I doubt the spot was meant to kill patvir's inspector and it was more like the watch was able to tell he was about to be the center of extreme danger. As long as the guy dies in the line of duty it can count as a Canon event
By that logic Miguel bringing a bunch of spider people together should've destroyed each and every universe since they aren't even supposed to be interdimensional travellers, it's not like Mayday came from another universe like the 42 spider or something lol
@@Josuh even with the 42 spider though, if it was not supposed to bite Miles, then there should be a canon event happening, but it isn't. I think the real issue is Miguel's idea of what is canon is too narrow, which is shown in Gwen's dad quitting his job as a police officer.
That definitely occured to me too. What if Miguel somehow becomes aware of this and tries to go after her? That could be what turns even more Spider-People against him. Maybe harming a toddler is a line that they're not willing to cross...
I don't know whether you noticed it but in the ITSV when Miles and RIPeter first meet, Miles' spider sense is green and violet, but then changes to red and blue indicating how Miles' fate changed. It is actually insane how much the two films are connected.
I'm glad Spider-punk wasn't involved in any love triangle. Instead, he was more of a rebel, but a great ally who tries to help people. He's definitely a highlight in the sequel 😁
Spider punks world being almost like it was based on a scrap book kind of world was pretty cool, and how when Indian Spider-Man hit the Spot, the words were Hindi (or Punjabi) just amazing attention to detail
There were deleted scenes where the spot was mocked by other villains in a bar and in the post credits he was gonna solo all of them. Explaining where he was for like an hour before the ending
I feel like Gwen's dad at the end is proof that the cannon isn't set? he is no longer the captain so unless she gets close to another captain she will not experience that event. Also I thought that the point was that 42 Prowler was a hero to that world as Miles was destined to get bitten instead (we see him right next to the glitch spider), at least that is my interpretation.
Could be metaphorical. She technically did lose a police captain figure, in the sense that George is no longer a cop as opposed to death. Also, I think Miguel is overestimating how Canon Events works out of sheer trauma from his past than anything factual. And the whole plot of Across the Spider-Verse is that the Spider-Society aren't always correct. Also, for 42 Prowler being a hero, I think he's more of a morally gray character like The Punisher in that he's a criminal that exists to kill worse criminals.
@@notane.real1 Maybe. Mostly because "death of someone you love/are close to" is pretty much what would be considered "canon" for most Spider-Man stories. In a way (ironically), Peter acts as the Gwen Stacey to...Gwen Stacey.
I see it more as the cannon needs to be followed, but some events are more important than others and even take each others place based on the Spider of said Earth(India didnt lose anyone close to him, his aunt lives and he has a girlfriend).The death of someone would make him more responsible but who says it has to be a captain, what if he didnt get to web the bus in time and his girlfriend died, then he would save the captain and learn that he needs to be more mature. In Gwens case, she already lost Peter, so the cannon wouldnt be deviated if her dad was to resign or simply not die because it isnt an important event on Earth-65. Is this reaching, maybe, did I put more effort into this comment than I do on my essays, yes, will anyone see this, probably not, but I have a feeling that Gwens line when she learns that her dad resigned(something along the lines of ”So this means”) will play an important role in Beyond the Spiderverse.
@@Bastonul But in this case Miles already has his own Canon even with uncle Aaron death. So there is no need for another death unless canon events do not work as they think. I know Peter Parker of 616 universe had multiple events like this with uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and even with Captain Stacy (even though he is not close to him). I would like to know what canon event is or was there for Spider-punk, I am not familiar with his backstory in the comics.
My favorite part about Hobie definitely has to be the sheer level of subversion to your expectations he is. Like, we're all so happy he wasn't just there to be a shitty love triangle but think about it. Miles hears about him, he hears about him sharing interests with Gwen, he hears that Gwen crashes with him sometimes, they were setting us up to expect it. People that have seen a lot of movies would also expect the character in this position to join the opposite side of whatever conflict arises between all the spiders to be a direct obstacle for the main character and have a way to break the love triangle at the end of the movie. Then when he shows up, he breaks a barrier Miles couldn't, both Gwen and Pavitr like him, they talk about his abundance of sweaters which with the love triangle expectation and the commonality of "wearing your boyfriends sweater" and then you can top it all off with the fact that he gave miles advice that could easily have been read as him looking down on Miles and sarcastically saying it. But then the whole movie Hobie does nothing but actually support Miles in making his own decisions regardless of what other people want or say and echoes the original advice as REAL advice and not just some jerk comment, and joins back up in the ragtag group that's going to be resisting Miguel to help Miles in the next movie.
They subvert expectation earlier in the movie too (in a similar way to Miles first taking a big leap in the first film) when Miles' dad acts like he's going to jump across to the big portal The Spot opened but instead runs down the stairs.
Hobie Brown is an agent of chaos. the whole quitting scene is something a crazy person with no regards for consequences does and I love it. "you're not helping" "good". proceeds to tell miles to use his palms which leads to all around chaos and then quits. absolute chad of chaos
I love how they used this as an homage to the Misfits. Hobie's world designation being Earth 138, Taskmasker looking like the Crimson Ghost with a devillock and even quoting lyrics from Hybrid Moments as his dialogue: "If you're gonna scream, scream with me!"
This movie is absolute peak quality. The animation, characters, story, humor, music, it's all perfect. After years of hoping, it's so good to see animation finally start to get the respect it deserves. And it makes me wonder how the third will possibly keep that momentum going.
The fact that the director ask a 14 years old to animated a section for the movie because they see his work on remaking the trailer in lego is such a cool thing for them to do.
absolutely loving how hobie and margo werent plot points for a love triangle and we’re more there to stimulate just a little bit of natural jealousy to make clear to the audiences that gwen and miles still like each other that way. It was subtle and I appreciated it so much that they didn’t downgrade hobie and margos characters just to exist solely for cliche romance drama or sumth lmao
i loved how the marketing and even the start of the movie we are led to believe that hobie and gwen are close, and also that he might be another cliche douche romantic foil for the love interest. and yet, not only he presents himself as more on the side of miles, he even goes as far as help him understand his own powers better.
One little detail I liked is how eagerly all the Peters say hi to Gwen, 1 it shows how assimilated she is there but 2 a lot of those peters probably r in love with their gwen or their gwen died like Garfields so it makes sense for them to all be so nice to her (In the movie gwen confirms shes the love interest for spiderman in most other universes)
I feel like Peter B. Parker was somehow a witness to Miguel's universal collapse. I feel like that's the only way Peter B. Parker would remotely be on board with Miguel's overzealous need to protect the canon at Mile's expense.
Based on how several of them act, I get the impression that most of them including gwen have seen stuff like that, which is why most of them follow along. Nobody seems scared of the guy, many even poking fun at him.
@@FastForwardPlans yeah, they weren't afraid of Migel and even were surprised/shocked when he nearly nailed him to the train after chasing him as a wild animal
That's crazy, your experience was literally the same as mine. My first viewing no one laughed at the jokes, and no seemed to care about anything and it made me feel kinda empty even though I knew it was good. My second viewing was in a different theater where everyone laughed at the jokes and even popped off at the ending. After my second viewing I heard some guy talking to his friend about how it was peak and it really put a smile on my face to see one of my favorite fictional characters making an impression on people.
@@enderwiggin1510 I was originally supposed to go with my two closest friends, but they flaked on me, so I went with my gf for my first viewing and there were a lot of jokes she didn't laugh at too. Idk if it's just a cultural thing, but the way Miles' parents were acting reminded me of my parents cause they were pretty strict black parents, vs. my gf who had really lenient parents and she's white. I've seen the movie 3 times now and everytime I've seen it, only black people laugh at the jokes at the beginning, which would add up with my first viewing since it was a small theater in a white area, so I just don't think they got it is my guess.
@@UltimateTS64I was lucky with my first viewing cause 3 friends tagged along. Me and my two hispanic buddies were snickering everytime there was a joke involving Miles' parents, but my white friend was stone-faced.
when I went it was just me and my kid alone and we were having a blast. I think being in aa packed silent theater would feel much worse than being in an empty one with 1 or 2 people who are enjoying themselves
I LOVE the take that Spider-Punk saw this all coming. I imagine that Spider-Punk was recruited by Miguel and maybe at first he believed in the mission. But then as he began to see the authoritarian structure of the society, he was just waiting for a chance to dismantle it. Once Miles shows up Punk realized Miles would be the PERFECT ally for taking down the society
I love how natural the ending is specifically Prowler mile's earth when Miles reveals to Rio he's spiderman she just plays it off as a joke and tells him they both have bigger things to deal with. Then we see Aaron is alive here...but there's something off about him from his eyes to the way he helps Rio. Than he talks to Miles like he always would but than he notices that things are different and when he talks to him about robbing a place you can see that he can tell somethingis wrong. Than we're on the roof it's not the same bright community we saw before. It's dark and cold and whatever light we see isn't warm and inviting it's intimidating and hot like it can burn you. After Miles gets knocked out and we're in the apartment Aaron looks at him not trying to be malevolent but you can tell he and Prowler Miles are assessing the situation not trying to kill Miles but to just know why he's here and in the end he asks Miles why he should be helped.
I agree with that and it you look at some of the signage around the area in 42...it looks like that maybe because that Miles didn't become Spider-man that the Sinister Six might have taken over that universe. Wonder if it might have been Miles's dad's death that cause Aaron to change his way (from being a thief, but to helping Rio to raise Miles) and even to set up 42 Miles as a 'hero' in their universe.
@@Starlin23They're still criminals, so maybe in that reality Aaron passed down the mantle to Miles as a way to help him regain some control over his life after his father's dead. They're not heroes, but at the same time, they're definitely not in the same league as the other villains in their world.
Yeah I'm expecting 42 Aaron and miles to be either High tier henchmen or vigilantes who rob the villains they fight since if Aaron is no longer working with kingpin he'd probably need a new line for income.
I noticed it was the wrong universe when he was setting up the Go Home Machine. Kinda wished I hadn't, since having they twist slowly sink in would've been amazing.
So big correction on Gwen. One of the people who worked on the film, said Captain Stacy does not have the trans flag. It’s his badge that just got colored that way because of the way her world is colored.
Would you happen to remember where you read that? I was trying to search it up earlier after reading your comment but couldn't find anything on it :0 specifically about George Stacy's uniform I mean!
@@abisukumaran1673 sure, I don’t know if links work here, but the Spiderman Reddit have multiple posts these past few days. Each showing that it’s just a color thing. That doesn’t mean Gwen can’t be trans, but outside of the flag, the rest of the details are just paying homage to her origin comic. Either way it’s a W that the team can make people feel seen intentional or not. And goes to show how well written the character of spiderman is
@@smashbrother2244 That's so neat!! I was curious cause it seems like the artists behind ATSV were very deliberate in all their visuals. It's really interesting how even such a small detail, like the environmental lighting on Captains Stacy's uniform, amplified the movie's themes of identity exploration even more for audiences :)
I always thought the flag was for gwen’s peter, because maybe peter was bullied for that and her and her dad kept the flags for remembrance and support
@@parkersavage6224 I thought this could be possible too. Although a lot of people in the community thought it would be wrong to portray Peter as trans, turn him into a monster and die. Which is fair, but there’s other ways people could take that story and it’s morals, even if on paper it may seem in poor taste
It wasn’t a spoiler about the Part 1 thing. In early advertisements, it was originally called Across the Spiderverse Part 1, but somewhere along, the Part 2 of it was renamed Beyond the Spiderverse. Weeks before the premiere, they finished making the film. Originally, it was meant to be released last year, but got pushed all the way to this year because they needed more time. I think, if anything, the advertisement might have mislead many.
man i love hobie’s art style so much, it’s so inconsistent, it feels so out of place, like his literal presence is rebelling against whatever setting he’s in
I think Miguel believes he has everything figured out. The fact that Pavitra's universe was bugging out because of the spots mega hole and not the glitchy mess stuff is weird. Also, every Spiderman Miles first interacted with should have their universes collapsed too, they were never supposed to be there and interact with Miles. If Miles had not been there to do anything then the entire multiverse would be different, plus Peter already had his uncle die so he is a spider man weather the others like it or not. All this on top of a million other points.
Spider Punk literally saw how this would play out and made sure to help out not only Miles but also Gwen. He became one of my favorites in the movie and I couldn't hear a word he said in theater
This film is the epitome of excellence, showcasing top-tier quality in its animation, characters, story, humor, and music. It's a gratifying realization to witness animation finally receiving the recognition it deserves, leaving me intrigued about how the third installment will manage to sustain such an incredible momentum. Also the fact this movie proballty have kickstarted a 14 years old boy career, because of his skill in animating Lego.
They likely made them at the same time, so I don't anticipate a loss of momentum. The writing/animation team have shown that they can be trusted with this story, so I'm not even going to worry. It's be weird to not stick the dismount.
My personal favourite thematic in the film was the "Not if you have two cakes", it shows up throughout the movie, from the start where he gets two cakes for his dad instead of one because the message he wants to write is too much for one cake so he *just gets two* and this leads to complications because now he can't carry two cakes at once and also thwip around New York. They don't directly mention it again through the movie but "I can do both" comes up a lot which to me in another way of "having two cakes", it's something Pavitir says as he's trying to save his girlfriend but he wants to save her father too but can't until he saves her. When Miles saves the Captain of Pavitirs universe more complications happen caused by having both. This all culminates in Miles pushing back against the Canon events Theory because Spider-Man always tries to do both. Even if he fails he wants to try and have two cakes and it's wrong for Miguel to stop him from being allowed that chance. You could even go so far as to say the reveal of two Miles in the end is another connection to the Twos thematic. Miles thinks he can appeal to Miles-42's empathy to help him save what would be their shared father only for Prowler to make it clear he's going to stay in his way. Just a nice over-arching thematic all around.
If Miles is an Anomaly then Mayday Parker is an Anomaly too because if Miles never became Spiderman, he would've never inspired Peter B. Parker to have kids.
Again, it's not that simple, by that logic any spider people interacting with each other should be considered an anomaly since none of them are even supposed to meet, there's a difference between the 42 Spider coming from an entire separate universe and Mayday coming from Peter's balls in his own dimension
I also saw Across the Spider-verse on opening day in the cinemas and at the end when it says "to be continued" everyone got so pissed and a kid 2 seats behind me made a soda grenade filling it half with popcorn and half with pop. 2 days after I got nailed, my head still hurt.
It's so pathetic seeing people nitpick the film like crazy, ignoring the aspects that actually matter. No matter what criticisms they come up with, it doesn't change the quality of the story, animation, music, and acting that went into this masterpiece. (If ya don't like it, just say so.)
My favorite thing is it's equally likely that universe 42 Miles could be a villain or a hero with that ending. You can see it swinging towards both in how 42 Aaron and Miles are being aggressive like a villain but they're actually talking and they aren't being overly malevolent as you know they would be as true villains
The family themes were amazing, the puns and quips were amazing (much higher than the typical Marvel rubbish), even the Mala Windsor cameo was fantastic. This movie was just brilliant!
(SPOILERS) the trans thing could just be hinting at an allegory representing transgender people through the life of gwen stacy, or more specifically, a parent/child relationship about accepting their identity. Think about it. Throughout the course of the movie she sees herself less and less as Gwen but more and more as the Spider-woman, which could be a reference to transitioning. However, her father does not like spider-woman, so when she reveals herself as being the spider-woman he is shocked. She then runs away, and joins the spider community. When she comes back, her father realizes that he was wrong for acting the way he did and accepts her as spider-woman.
That makes a lot more sense compared to the other reasons (that she’s actually trans herself) some ppl have been shoving it down my throat thru some vids I’ve seen
on the topic of spider punk. his intro had SO MANY GOOD REFERENCES. as an example. the back of his jacket is based of the old negative FX logo. "no future" is a sex pistols reference and theres an addicts logo on his jacket in some scenes. masterpiece.
If I had a nickel for every time a multi-verse movie had a plot point driven by a bagel, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Miguel in the comics is my favorite Spider person. While I loved his accurate characterization in the movie, "techifying" him was one of the aspects I least enjoyed. Miguel in the comics was in an Alchemax accident that game him permanent powers that more closely resembled Daredevil than Spider-Man. His Spider-Sense is actually so OP that he has to wear sunglasses in the daytime to null it's effects. His fangs secret a venom that paralyzes anyone (like a spider), and is physically bigger and stronger than Peter. Additionally, his webs are organic, to contrast with Peter's mechanical Web fluid. His costume is also pretty low tech in the comics, for it is just a black (yes, in the original comics, it was black illuminated by a neon blue setting) day of the dead costume. So, he's a fair bit different, but is mostly the same in the broadstrokes. It's still an excellent adaptation of Miguel's character, though.
I for one like how the spider society it on the top part of the city. Even though Miguel in the comics says he feels guilty at going home in the top side because he feels more at home in the bottom part. It's a neet contrast to the comics maybe showing how far he's strayed from his own cannon in a sense
I liked how, in the beginning, you can actually see Miles's roommate playing the ps4 spider-man game. Of course, this does lead to some fascinating implications when you see that PS4 Spider-Man is a part of the spider-society
Don’t forget the mention of the 60s Spider-Man cartoon (or at least its theme song) while also showing a universe that IS the cartoon in the first movie lmao
Spoiler I’m so mad I didn’t notice the jacket color change at the end of the movie. Throughout the movie, Miles’ jacket is red, but at the end, he puts a purple jacket on when he goes to universe 42. I had thought that Miles was the Prowler with other hints, but my friends noticed the jacket change >:(
I think he definitely was supposed to be Spider-Man in earth 42 as you can see in a scene prowler miles was about to get bitten before the spider was taken from the universe That’s why earth 42 doesn’t have a Spider-Man because it was taken by bagel guy
@Gamer G33k nah, that's one of the other Spider-Men wearing the Advanced suit, and the shorter one with him isn't wearing either of the Insomniac Miles costumes. The actual Insomniac Peter is actually rendered in the video game's style and is pointed out by name and dimension.
This movie is masterpiece it exceeded my expectations like the story, characters and animation and character development from Miles and Gwen are brilliant. I also like Spider Punk his background and his character is one of best. Spot is great villain as well can't wait for third one.
Miguel O'Hara info for anyone wondering: Miguel O'Hara has heightened senses (though they aren't as strong as Spidey Senses), Razor sharp claws that retract from his finger tips & sharp venomous teeth which can poison anyone he bites. he has organic webs like Tobeys Spider-Man did but seems to have replaced them with some cool electrical webs in the film. he lives in a Universe where an original Spider-Man as already came & went, & gets his powers after a co-worker sabotages him while Miguel was working in his lab at Alchemax. There's also the Spider-Bite injection stuff which I know nothing about. In these ways, Miguel is different.
15:49 Correction: There are other Miles Morales. During the scenes where you see all the spider people, you can see the Insomniac Peter walking with the Insomniac Miles.
Harry Potter and the deathly hallows part 2 was the first time I experienced a crowded cinema going like a football stadium. After that only Endgame and NWH managed to do the same for what I saw until now with ATSV.
15:40 The insomniac miles morales can actually be seen in the movie. Though maybe just for easter eggs, it still means that this version of Miles is really just the only anomaly and that there are also other miles morales spidermen out there.
The Earth 42 Miles was also *supposed* to be the one bitten, but it was stolen and bit our Miles instead. There was no Peter Parker spiderman in Earth 42, Miles was supposed to be the first spiderman in that universe. THats why 42-Rio didnt even know who Spiderman was.
One thing I really liked is how dedicated the movie is to showing the absolute juxtaposition between Miles and 2099. Miles, despite his boundary-breaking acts of heroism in the first movie is branded as a villain completely out of his own control, while 2099 brands himself as a hero under his own authority, while his past actions prove to be intentionally dangerous and selfish, things he sees in Miles, despite them being projected onto him through predefined ideas of good and bad. It’s really interesting how they are extremely similar despite being polar opposites in how they act.
Actually in Captain Staceys uniform, it probably wasn't even a trans flag since he's a cop, and right where the supposed flag is, is where the stripes for a cop would go. Now yes its a different universe so it could also go somewhere else, but the universe is also very much water color so take it with a grain of salt
The showing I was in, people were laughing at like every joke and it was cool, you could even hear people yelling when their favorite spider person was on the screen
Spider-Punk: *Cleverly crafts an entire elaborate plan to overthrow an organization that monitors the multiverse* Mr. Snake from The Bad Guys: "Finally! A worthy opponent!"
The Protect Trans kids thing is particularly Genius because of What Happened to Peter in her Universe. He wasn't comfortable with who he was and because of the inability to recognise that from others around him he died and the people closest to him ultimately failed to protect him. It's not Exactly like what we deal with in the real world, but it makes a lot of sense of Gwen to extend that sentiment to the trans community, a group of people who struggle to fit in because they aren't the person the outside world sees.
exactly, to me, it might even go further, with him being the potential trans kid, who suffers bullying. which would help explain why gwen would see this as a worthy cause(not the only reason, but a solid one)
@@marcosdhelenocan we also take a moment to appreciate that they did this in the best “hide in plain sight” way possible? I mean, subtly working it into her color scheme, and using the chaos of the entire movie to cover it from those who wouldn’t pay attention? As Hobie would say “that crew’s anarchist”
@@JaxAttax451 my one gripe, and this is something that the original comic is to blame, is that, i felt like the one peter should've turn into wasnt the lizard, but the green goblin. for 2 reasons, 1. the goblin is the one to kill gwen in the original universe, but also, because goblin is tied to peter in a way the lizard isnt. he is peter's biggest foe.
You mentioned the mixing issue, which is actually a real thing! They had to release a new mixed version during the opening weekend rather than opening week because people were complaining about it, I think it was the way it was transferred over and perhaps that messed something up.
I think it’s obvious Gwen and her dad are just allies of the trans community and using their characters as such because her colors match the flag which they saw as an opportunity to thematically match their support with her colors. I think it’s nice touch to her and Miles compatibility with Miles having a “BLM” on his bag. Showing they think of higher causes than themselves and being teenage superheroes. Also Miles love for Hip-Hop that correlates with Gwen’s love for aggressive rock.
to me, i felt like they were "alies" because their peter was either gay or trans. it would fit with the bullying, and him trying a drug to change himself. it would also give the line of him "wanting to be like gwen" a new meaning. since both her and her father saw peter as family, i feel like it would be natural for them to see it as a worthy cause.
@@marcosdheleno I read Peter as being a trans boy too. He’s supposed to be the same-ish age as Gwen (15-16), but he still looks like a child, as if he hasn’t gone through puberty yet, which lines up with trans theory. Most trans kids go through puberty later than their cis peers, bc there’s a lot of psychological testing and blood work that need to be done before endocrinologists will let someone take cross-sex hormones. We know that Miles is 15 months younger than Gwen, and even he looks more mature than baby-faced Peter does.
Not necessarily, if you saw a dude that looked exactly like you and begins talking crazy about other dimensions it wouldn't be that hard to put two and two together and realize he's an alternate you, doesn't mean he as actually met other version of himself before
@@Josuh I can understand that and it’s not just that. There is a reason why there aren’t any other miles there when there are several others that were made. I also think he is supposed to pick up a role of who is around him and not just be either the prowler or Spider-Man. In the beginning, he wants to travel the multiverse, who’s to say that dream isn’t shared by other Miles or just one? There’s more to this and I would try to make a video about it to explain better.
14:30 although it was a surprise that was ruined. it was never supposed to be an actual spoiler for the movie to be a 2 parter. it was confirmed to be in 2 parts all the way back in 2021 with its first reveal, where it shows the title as "Spider-Man Across the Spiderverse Part One"
When they orginally announced and showed the first trailer it was suppose to be named "Spiderman Across the Spider-Verse Part One" it wasn't until closer til the end of last year when they dropped part one of the title.
This is very much a personal preference but I feel that most people prefer a quiet cinema experience so they can soak up the movie rather than being subjected to only being able to tell what's going on when the crowd isn't excited enough, just cause the moviegoers are quiet doesn't mean they aren't thoroughly enjoying themselves
I'm so happy i got to see this movie one two days before it leaving the cinemas. The room was basically me, my gf, and about 6 to 7 other random people. We all had some laughs in the start, but by the middle of the movie, everyone was so focused, no one made a single sound, not even the popcorn bag. And the best part is that there wasn't anyone behind me kicking my seat
When I first watched the movie, I had also noticed all those small details for Hobie and loved him. Though, I was under the impression that it was leading up to a reveal that Hobie was a spy for a more evil Spiderman faction
Watching the movie dubbed saved me from the audio problem which everyone is talking about, support your country dubs. (It helps me that the pt-br dub is always awesome)
The first time I heard of him in the movie I was like "Goddamnit not another f*cking love triangle" and by his exit I was cheering for him and just thanking the man for his help. Damn was he well written
Hobie is a fucking legend and my favorite part about Across. I've seen ATSV twice and it's great, but I have very VERY strong feelings for ITSV and it hasn't topped it imo, but maybe BTSV will (though it'll have to top the entire What's Up Danger sequence, which is a very tall order)
There's actually a different reason they don't show Miles from the PlayStation game. In the comics where that universe's Peter gets involved with the spider-verse, he says he doesn't want Miles to come so that if he dies, someone is there to protect their version of New York.
Bro seeing The spot in his final form all black and the scribbles and stuff leaking out of him and his body looking unstable looked like Gon's transformation if you know which one i mean
one of the very first things spider punk said when he came on screen was: "is this the guy from 1610?" proving that he already knew about miles because gwen told him.
One interesting thing I caught is that Miguel said that à universe without spiderman is erased, his whole threat to miles is the erasure of his world, but universe 42 is still here.
HELP MY CINEMA EXPERIENCE MADE ME WANNA DIE BC THERE WERE LIL KIDS THAT WOULD TALK DURING THE QUIET SCENES BC THEY WERE BORING FOR THEM BUT THEYRE THE SCENES THAT I NEED TO HEAR BUT THEN THEY'D BE SILENT DURING THE LOUD ACTION SCENES AND THEN THIS GUY NEXT TO ME WAS EATING MARS BARS AND FIDDLING THE PACKETS NON STOP AAAA but then when it was silent and everyone finally shut up it was so immersive and amazing and just omggggg SO PRETTY AJDSKLFJASD;KF :3
Detail I'm surprised videos I've seen don't go all the way with. Miles states that you can have your cake and eat it to if you have two cakes. Well he tries that, he can't webswing with two cakes occupying both his hands which ultimately causes him to ruin both cakes. He's probably going to have to realise eventually that maybe you really can't just have two cakes and have to make some tough choices
I remember that in the movie they broke this bridge (18:41) and it fell down, but in this clip they get launched up. I saw a post where it said that 2099's ai tried to fist bump miles and in a different version took a selfie.
When we went to see the movie, my family was the only group of people really laughing at the jokes, and my mom isn’t even really a fan of super hero films. It’s kind of strange…
I like how Miles’ “have two cakes” joke with the counsellor comes up in multiple ways. He literally buys two cakes for his dads party after not having enough space for one. And he is the only spider person who wants metaphorically “have his cake and eat it too” by saving his dad and saving the canon. Incredibly well written film
And there end up being 2 miles
Didn’t MCU Spider-Man want to have his cake and eat it too?
The 'I'm not proud' joke on the cakes was also the best in the movie imo.
You could... you could almost say he.. he could do... both?
That and the theme that he needs to learn that you cannot have your cake and eat it too because both cakes are ruined and he needed to go buy a new cake because of it
Animated Spider-Punk was a legend! Didn’t care for Miguel’s authority, covertly helped Miles escape & lookout for Gwen. Hobie honestly is the goat, my man supported Miles and never actually agreed with Miguel's strict rules.
Couldn’t say it any better.
cant wait for Miles to destroy his universe for *spoilers**spoilers**spoilers* to him transitioning from spiderBOY to spiderMAN
Yeah
Wonder if he was a pain to animate based on his style changing sometimes
@@angry9420 had to have been couldn’t imagine the hours it took
Hobie making his own watch was even better becuase it showed how smart he truly is while still being punk and being his own person, it also shows how all of the spider people really don’t need to rely on Miguel as much as they think they do
Part of being punk (and goth), at least traditionally, is stitching your own stuff together. There wasn't any faux punk/goth dropshipped nonsense but people converting old stuff into their looks. They also made their own jewelry and made their own media, like zines.
I mean none of them really act like they need to be there. They choose to because they believe they can help more people that way, because that is a common thread of most spider-people.
In fact, you notice it in how a lot of them act. Except for noobies like Gwen pretty much nobody really treats Miguel like he is much of a authority figure. They are all non-stop clowning on him, with a few like spiderpunk pretty blatantly against the system, I very much doubt anyone was under any illusion that he was a fan of how things were being ran.
He built the watch from the things he was stealing on they're way to Miguel.
Even his idea of giving it to George Stacy shows how much he knew Miguel would despise Gwen and send her home
Spider-Punk is so amazingly written. Mixing the 1970s british Punk Rock culture with his amazing style of animation is so beautiful to watch. it shows that the animators not only care about the characters, but the cultures and communities they arise from. A 11/10 movie!
Facts
its incredibly refreshing to see a movie get punk right, most of the time they make punk characters villains which is, so ironic in my opinion. gotta love hobie
@@morithedoll7537 exactly
@@morithedoll7537While it does get tiring I don’t really mind it,though this is not to say Hobie is a huge fresh off air.
Shoutout to Hobie the Spider-Punk. They could've just made him the typical jerk or rival or that cringey love triangle trope but nope he's a really great guy. Supportive, fun, unique, and even when Miles gets trapped with everyone arguing Hobie is the only one to go "Hey, remember that trick I showed you" and he didn't chase after Miles.
I mean...he could've help Miles from running away from so many Spider-Men. And even give him his watch to quickly go back to his universe and save his dad. Just saying
He was busy making a watch for Gwen
@@gintokisakata514 Even though he could just give his to her? Or his to Miles? What's the difference?
They would've just shut off Spiderpunk's watch like they did to Gwen's watch.
He made the right move.
@@Ultrahippie42 And what's stopping him from turning it back on if he can make a whole new one from scratch? 2099 had to remove Miles wristband by hand and the glitching started happening, couldn't he have turned that one off to make the chase favour to him and his team?
Edit: Plus, Hobie wasn't outed by anyone for indirectly helping Miles, he did it himself. He purposely lost his element of surprise and connection to the Spider-Society when he could've taken it to his advantage and get even more watches to not be controlled by 2099 for those who disagrees with 2099's stance.
I just appreciate that these movies are helping remove the stigma that animated films can’t be emotionally powerful and enjoyable to all audiences. I’m still annoyed the Oscar’s have a animated section as if it’s a genre when it’s really a medium for any genre.
Honestly more so about deviating from the “Pixar” style and something more stylized
@@Nic_2751 yes, studios need more identity
I’m hoping the Oscars will nominate it for Best Picture. Obviously it won’t win, we’re not far enough for that, but just a simple nomination feels possible and it could be the start of the medium gaining more respect at that show.
they still make jokes about animation being the genre you have to painstakingly sit and watch with your children at those awards shows. it will take a while to change, on top of animation is also going to have a little more diversity with more genres, especially drama (you know people eat up drama). so much of animation is sitcom stuff.
Bro my grandma loved the movie
Little thing about Miguel O'Hara: He's half-spider, like literally. He was a famous geneticist in his timeline trying to recreate the powers of the original Peter Parker, an accident happens and he more or less gets what he wants but not exactly.
A quick rundown of his powers:
- He's stronger physically than your average spiderman
- No spidersense, he instead has extremely heightened hearing and sight
- Can't stick to walls naturally, he uses retractable talons on his hands and feet to climb
- He is among the few spidermen that develop their own webbing from their body
- He has "spider fangs" that he can use to paralyze his targets should he bite them
- His suit is extremely durable but malleable enough to allow his talons to come out and not tear through the suit and also allows him to glide with a web-like material connecting from his forearm to his ribs (imagine like a flying squirrel)
Also, my current theory on why he looks so different compared to how he appeared in end credits of the first one is because of the serum he was injecting himself with. Essentially, he's been amping his powers as he may have thought that his prior abilities were not enough to protect the spiderverse
doesnt he also has rocket boots that allow him to fly?
@@marcosdheleno Oh yeah, thats with his enhanced suit though.
Came here to say this, but you said it better XD
That's pretty interesting
That's not his origin his boss was drugging his employees to keep them addicted and since they could only get it from the boss they had to work he worked to cure himself of the addiction and accidentally gave himself powers.
"Aren't you in a band?"
"I don't believe in consistency"
"There you go."
"Hobie you're not helping."
"Good."
"And YOU....I'm gonna pretend you're not even here....I-I just can't with you."
"I ain't even here."
"Just a tip use your palms not just your fingers."
Hobie is such a king. He came in, stirred some sht, and dipped. I think he'd absolutely LOVE hanging out with Tom, Andrew and Tobey. Who let's be real would be team free will 100%.
his absolute sass in that bit XD
@AngelWingsYT I want to aspire to be his level of sassy 😆
Didn't Toby and Andrew say in No Way Home that its the Sacrifices that make them Spiderman? Tom would 100% be on Miles's side, but I have a feeling that the beaten down Toby and Andrew would side with Miguel.
That's probably going to be the biggest problem for this movie in the near future "why is miles the one to break the rule and not [insert favorite version of peter parker], he would never side with miguel"
He'd get bored with tom
Even Mayday Parker is an anomaly, with Miles Morales being the reason Peter B. Parker wanted to have kids. Meaning Mayday could cause problems in the next movie
Idts, in case of pavitr his cannon event was supposed to be caused by spot entering his dimension from another one, so cannon events can be caused by external agents to that universe
@@fundoo203 I doubt the spot was meant to kill patvir's inspector and it was more like the watch was able to tell he was about to be the center of extreme danger. As long as the guy dies in the line of duty it can count as a Canon event
By that logic Miguel bringing a bunch of spider people together should've destroyed each and every universe since they aren't even supposed to be interdimensional travellers, it's not like Mayday came from another universe like the 42 spider or something lol
@@Josuh even with the 42 spider though, if it was not supposed to bite Miles, then there should be a canon event happening, but it isn't. I think the real issue is Miguel's idea of what is canon is too narrow, which is shown in Gwen's dad quitting his job as a police officer.
That definitely occured to me too. What if Miguel somehow becomes aware of this and tries to go after her? That could be what turns even more Spider-People against him. Maybe harming a toddler is a line that they're not willing to cross...
I don't know whether you noticed it but in the ITSV when Miles and RIPeter first meet, Miles' spider sense is green and violet, but then changes to red and blue indicating how Miles' fate changed. It is actually insane how much the two films are connected.
And 42 is almost everywhere in the movie
its almost like its a sequel
@@JosephSlater ? Not really. I was talking about the first film and its details yk.
"RIPeter" damn
rest in peter
sounds like something you'd do in private
I'm glad Spider-punk wasn't involved in any love triangle. Instead, he was more of a rebel, but a great ally who tries to help people. He's definitely a highlight in the sequel 😁
Just hoping there was never any way Gwen had interest with how much she pushed away from miles
Spider punks world being almost like it was based on a scrap book kind of world was pretty cool, and how when Indian Spider-Man hit the Spot, the words were Hindi (or Punjabi) just amazing attention to detail
Speaking of scrap books, he looks like a walking zine.
There were deleted scenes where the spot was mocked by other villains in a bar and in the post credits he was gonna solo all of them. Explaining where he was for like an hour before the ending
I feel like Gwen's dad at the end is proof that the cannon isn't set? he is no longer the captain so unless she gets close to another captain she will not experience that event. Also I thought that the point was that 42 Prowler was a hero to that world as Miles was destined to get bitten instead (we see him right next to the glitch spider), at least that is my interpretation.
Could be metaphorical. She technically did lose a police captain figure, in the sense that George is no longer a cop as opposed to death.
Also, I think Miguel is overestimating how Canon Events works out of sheer trauma from his past than anything factual. And the whole plot of Across the Spider-Verse is that the Spider-Society aren't always correct.
Also, for 42 Prowler being a hero, I think he's more of a morally gray character like The Punisher in that he's a criminal that exists to kill worse criminals.
Isn’t Gwens canon event peter’s death?
@@notane.real1 Maybe. Mostly because "death of someone you love/are close to" is pretty much what would be considered "canon" for most Spider-Man stories.
In a way (ironically), Peter acts as the Gwen Stacey to...Gwen Stacey.
I see it more as the cannon needs to be followed, but some events are more important than others and even take each others place based on the Spider of said Earth(India didnt lose anyone close to him, his aunt lives and he has a girlfriend).The death of someone would make him more responsible but who says it has to be a captain, what if he didnt get to web the bus in time and his girlfriend died, then he would save the captain and learn that he needs to be more mature. In Gwens case, she already lost Peter, so the cannon wouldnt be deviated if her dad was to resign or simply not die because it isnt an important event on Earth-65. Is this reaching, maybe, did I put more effort into this comment than I do on my essays, yes, will anyone see this, probably not, but I have a feeling that Gwens line when she learns that her dad resigned(something along the lines of ”So this means”) will play an important role in Beyond the Spiderverse.
@@Bastonul But in this case Miles already has his own Canon even with uncle Aaron death. So there is no need for another death unless canon events do not work as they think. I know Peter Parker of 616 universe had multiple events like this with uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and even with Captain Stacy (even though he is not close to him).
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would like to know what canon event is or was there for Spider-punk, I am not familiar with his backstory in the comics.
My favorite part about Hobie definitely has to be the sheer level of subversion to your expectations he is. Like, we're all so happy he wasn't just there to be a shitty love triangle but think about it. Miles hears about him, he hears about him sharing interests with Gwen, he hears that Gwen crashes with him sometimes, they were setting us up to expect it.
People that have seen a lot of movies would also expect the character in this position to join the opposite side of whatever conflict arises between all the spiders to be a direct obstacle for the main character and have a way to break the love triangle at the end of the movie. Then when he shows up, he breaks a barrier Miles couldn't, both Gwen and Pavitr like him, they talk about his abundance of sweaters which with the love triangle expectation and the commonality of "wearing your boyfriends sweater" and then you can top it all off with the fact that he gave miles advice that could easily have been read as him looking down on Miles and sarcastically saying it.
But then the whole movie Hobie does nothing but actually support Miles in making his own decisions regardless of what other people want or say and echoes the original advice as REAL advice and not just some jerk comment, and joins back up in the ragtag group that's going to be resisting Miguel to help Miles in the next movie.
They subvert expectation earlier in the movie too (in a similar way to Miles first taking a big leap in the first film) when Miles' dad acts like he's going to jump across to the big portal The Spot opened but instead runs down the stairs.
@@LadyAstarionAncuninI love that scene. Comedic gold
Hobie Brown is an agent of chaos. the whole quitting scene is something a crazy person with no regards for consequences does and I love it. "you're not helping" "good". proceeds to tell miles to use his palms which leads to all around chaos and then quits. absolute chad of chaos
@ricardomonteiro870
though makes me wonder why did miguel trusted to begin with.
@@chongwillson972 Probably just to help out Gwen tbh, he says he’s looking out for his drummer at one point in the film
I like how they explain what he says in UK slang. Really was funny 😂
Not just UK slang, but cockney-rhyming slang.
@@teganobryan6164 damn. We brits have some weird-ass words 💀
Airplane! gag right there
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@@Dino_Boy.01 atleast you know
I love how they used this as an homage to the Misfits. Hobie's world designation being Earth 138, Taskmasker looking like the Crimson Ghost with a devillock and even quoting lyrics from Hybrid Moments as his dialogue: "If you're gonna scream, scream with me!"
This movie is absolute peak quality. The animation, characters, story, humor, music, it's all perfect. After years of hoping, it's so good to see animation finally start to get the respect it deserves. And it makes me wonder how the third will possibly keep that momentum going.
The fact that the director ask a 14 years old to animated a section for the movie because they see his work on remaking the trailer in lego is such a cool thing for them to do.
If this movie is peak quality then you really need to watch more shit.
@@leonishikino6873 I don't think he wants to watch shit though, it seems he wants to watch good movies
@@thesteelsquid863 he won't find good quality watching kiddie movies lmao
@@leonishikino6873 if you're gonna do the troll thing don't use a family guy pfp, that's WAAAAYYYY too obvious
absolutely loving how hobie and margo werent plot points for a love triangle and we’re more there to stimulate just a little bit of natural jealousy to make clear to the audiences that gwen and miles still like each other that way. It was subtle and I appreciated it so much that they didn’t downgrade hobie and margos characters just to exist solely for cliche romance drama or sumth lmao
My favorite thing about SpiderPunk is how he just hung around to save Miles
i loved how the marketing and even the start of the movie we are led to believe that hobie and gwen are close, and also that he might be another cliche douche romantic foil for the love interest. and yet, not only he presents himself as more on the side of miles, he even goes as far as help him understand his own powers better.
One little detail I liked is how eagerly all the Peters say hi to Gwen, 1 it shows how assimilated she is there but 2 a lot of those peters probably r in love with their gwen or their gwen died like Garfields so it makes sense for them to all be so nice to her
(In the movie gwen confirms shes the love interest for spiderman in most other universes)
I feel like Peter B. Parker was somehow a witness to Miguel's universal collapse. I feel like that's the only way Peter B. Parker would remotely be on board with Miguel's overzealous need to protect the canon at Mile's expense.
Tbf it seems most of the Spideys have either accepted fate or are too scared to go against the Spider Society. Miles was insane to even try lmao
In the movie he was in the flashback so he was there
Based on how several of them act, I get the impression that most of them including gwen have seen stuff like that, which is why most of them follow along. Nobody seems scared of the guy, many even poking fun at him.
@@FastForwardPlans yeah, they weren't afraid of Migel and even were surprised/shocked when he nearly nailed him to the train after chasing him as a wild animal
That's crazy, your experience was literally the same as mine. My first viewing no one laughed at the jokes, and no seemed to care about anything and it made me feel kinda empty even though I knew it was good. My second viewing was in a different theater where everyone laughed at the jokes and even popped off at the ending. After my second viewing I heard some guy talking to his friend about how it was peak and it really put a smile on my face to see one of my favorite fictional characters making an impression on people.
That’s why I always go to these movies with at least one friend
@@enderwiggin1510 I was originally supposed to go with my two closest friends, but they flaked on me, so I went with my gf for my first viewing and there were a lot of jokes she didn't laugh at too. Idk if it's just a cultural thing, but the way Miles' parents were acting reminded me of my parents cause they were pretty strict black parents, vs. my gf who had really lenient parents and she's white. I've seen the movie 3 times now and everytime I've seen it, only black people laugh at the jokes at the beginning, which would add up with my first viewing since it was a small theater in a white area, so I just don't think they got it is my guess.
@@UltimateTS64I was lucky with my first viewing cause 3 friends tagged along. Me and my two hispanic buddies were snickering everytime there was a joke involving Miles' parents, but my white friend was stone-faced.
when I went it was just me and my kid alone and we were having a blast. I think being in aa packed silent theater would feel much worse than being in an empty one with 1 or 2 people who are enjoying themselves
@@hahahahahahahahaa6580 yeah I don't think they get it
I grew up on Spectacular Spider-Man. When I saw him walk forward and heard Josh Keaton’s amazing acting…I wanted to scream directly in the theater.
I LOVE the take that Spider-Punk saw this all coming. I imagine that Spider-Punk was recruited by Miguel and maybe at first he believed in the mission. But then as he began to see the authoritarian structure of the society, he was just waiting for a chance to dismantle it. Once Miles shows up Punk realized Miles would be the PERFECT ally for taking down the society
I love how natural the ending is specifically Prowler mile's earth when Miles reveals to Rio he's spiderman she just plays it off as a joke and tells him they both have bigger things to deal with. Then we see Aaron is alive here...but there's something off about him from his eyes to the way he helps Rio. Than he talks to Miles like he always would but than he notices that things are different and when he talks to him about robbing a place you can see that he can tell somethingis wrong. Than we're on the roof it's not the same bright community we saw before. It's dark and cold and whatever light we see isn't warm and inviting it's intimidating and hot like it can burn you. After Miles gets knocked out and we're in the apartment Aaron looks at him not trying to be malevolent but you can tell he and Prowler Miles are assessing the situation not trying to kill Miles but to just know why he's here and in the end he asks Miles why he should be helped.
I agree with that and it you look at some of the signage around the area in 42...it looks like that maybe because that Miles didn't become Spider-man that the Sinister Six might have taken over that universe. Wonder if it might have been Miles's dad's death that cause Aaron to change his way (from being a thief, but to helping Rio to raise Miles) and even to set up 42 Miles as a 'hero' in their universe.
@@Starlin23 na
@@Starlin23They're still criminals, so maybe in that reality Aaron passed down the mantle to Miles as a way to help him regain some control over his life after his father's dead. They're not heroes, but at the same time, they're definitely not in the same league as the other villains in their world.
Yeah I'm expecting 42 Aaron and miles to be either High tier henchmen or vigilantes who rob the villains they fight since if Aaron is no longer working with kingpin he'd probably need a new line for income.
I noticed it was the wrong universe when he was setting up the Go Home Machine. Kinda wished I hadn't, since having they twist slowly sink in would've been amazing.
So big correction on Gwen. One of the people who worked on the film, said Captain Stacy does not have the trans flag. It’s his badge that just got colored that way because of the way her world is colored.
Would you happen to remember where you read that? I was trying to search it up earlier after reading your comment but couldn't find anything on it :0 specifically about George Stacy's uniform I mean!
@@abisukumaran1673 sure, I don’t know if links work here, but the Spiderman Reddit have multiple posts these past few days. Each showing that it’s just a color thing.
That doesn’t mean Gwen can’t be trans, but outside of the flag, the rest of the details are just paying homage to her origin comic. Either way it’s a W that the team can make people feel seen intentional or not. And goes to show how well written the character of spiderman is
@@smashbrother2244 That's so neat!! I was curious cause it seems like the artists behind ATSV were very deliberate in all their visuals. It's really interesting how even such a small detail, like the environmental lighting on Captains Stacy's uniform, amplified the movie's themes of identity exploration even more for audiences :)
I always thought the flag was for gwen’s peter, because maybe peter was bullied for that and her and her dad kept the flags for remembrance and support
@@parkersavage6224 I thought this could be possible too. Although a lot of people in the community thought it would be wrong to portray Peter as trans, turn him into a monster and die. Which is fair, but there’s other ways people could take that story and it’s morals, even if on paper it may seem in poor taste
It wasn’t a spoiler about the Part 1 thing. In early advertisements, it was originally called Across the Spiderverse Part 1, but somewhere along, the Part 2 of it was renamed Beyond the Spiderverse. Weeks before the premiere, they finished making the film. Originally, it was meant to be released last year, but got pushed all the way to this year because they needed more time. I think, if anything, the advertisement might have mislead many.
does that mean they won't actually go "Beyond" the spider-verse?
man i love hobie’s art style so much, it’s so inconsistent, it feels so out of place, like his literal presence is rebelling against whatever setting he’s in
I think Miguel believes he has everything figured out. The fact that Pavitra's universe was bugging out because of the spots mega hole and not the glitchy mess stuff is weird. Also, every Spiderman Miles first interacted with should have their universes collapsed too, they were never supposed to be there and interact with Miles. If Miles had not been there to do anything then the entire multiverse would be different, plus Peter already had his uncle die so he is a spider man weather the others like it or not. All this on top of a million other points.
yeah
Spider Punk literally saw how this would play out and made sure to help out not only Miles but also Gwen. He became one of my favorites in the movie and I couldn't hear a word he said in theater
This film is the epitome of excellence, showcasing top-tier quality in its animation, characters, story, humor, and music. It's a gratifying realization to witness animation finally receiving the recognition it deserves, leaving me intrigued about how the third installment will manage to sustain such an incredible momentum. Also the fact this movie proballty have kickstarted a 14 years old boy career, because of his skill in animating Lego.
LETS GOOO CHILD LABOR GOOD
They likely made them at the same time, so I don't anticipate a loss of momentum. The writing/animation team have shown that they can be trusted with this story, so I'm not even going to worry. It's be weird to not stick the dismount.
My personal favourite thematic in the film was the "Not if you have two cakes", it shows up throughout the movie, from the start where he gets two cakes for his dad instead of one because the message he wants to write is too much for one cake so he *just gets two* and this leads to complications because now he can't carry two cakes at once and also thwip around New York. They don't directly mention it again through the movie but "I can do both" comes up a lot which to me in another way of "having two cakes", it's something Pavitir says as he's trying to save his girlfriend but he wants to save her father too but can't until he saves her. When Miles saves the Captain of Pavitirs universe more complications happen caused by having both.
This all culminates in Miles pushing back against the Canon events Theory because Spider-Man always tries to do both. Even if he fails he wants to try and have two cakes and it's wrong for Miguel to stop him from being allowed that chance. You could even go so far as to say the reveal of two Miles in the end is another connection to the Twos thematic. Miles thinks he can appeal to Miles-42's empathy to help him save what would be their shared father only for Prowler to make it clear he's going to stay in his way.
Just a nice over-arching thematic all around.
If Miles is an Anomaly then Mayday Parker is an Anomaly too because if Miles never became Spiderman, he would've never inspired Peter B. Parker to have kids.
Again, it's not that simple, by that logic any spider people interacting with each other should be considered an anomaly since none of them are even supposed to meet, there's a difference between the 42 Spider coming from an entire separate universe and Mayday coming from Peter's balls in his own dimension
@@Josuhno
@@jaidynhalling2162yes, he is making complete sense
@@imsentinelprime9279 no
I also saw Across the Spider-verse on opening day in the cinemas and at the end when it says "to be continued" everyone got so pissed and a kid 2 seats behind me made a soda grenade filling it half with popcorn and half with pop. 2 days after I got nailed, my head still hurt.
It's so pathetic seeing people nitpick the film like crazy, ignoring the aspects that actually matter. No matter what criticisms they come up with, it doesn't change the quality of the story, animation, music, and acting that went into this masterpiece. (If ya don't like it, just say so.)
My favorite thing is it's equally likely that universe 42 Miles could be a villain or a hero with that ending. You can see it swinging towards both in how 42 Aaron and Miles are being aggressive like a villain but they're actually talking and they aren't being overly malevolent as you know they would be as true villains
The family themes were amazing, the puns and quips were amazing (much higher than the typical Marvel rubbish), even the Mala Windsor cameo was fantastic. This movie was just brilliant!
(SPOILERS) the trans thing could just be hinting at an allegory representing transgender people through the life of gwen stacy, or more specifically, a parent/child relationship about accepting their identity. Think about it. Throughout the course of the movie she sees herself less and less as Gwen but more and more as the Spider-woman, which could be a reference to transitioning. However, her father does not like spider-woman, so when she reveals herself as being the spider-woman he is shocked. She then runs away, and joins the spider community. When she comes back, her father realizes that he was wrong for acting the way he did and accepts her as spider-woman.
yeah, its beautiful how in the end gwen's web pulls them together
That makes a lot more sense compared to the other reasons (that she’s actually trans herself) some ppl have been shoving it down my throat thru some vids I’ve seen
No it was confirmed that's just cause of Gwens univerese aesthetic
on the topic of spider punk. his intro had SO MANY GOOD REFERENCES. as an example. the back of his jacket is based of the old negative FX logo. "no future" is a sex pistols reference and theres an addicts logo on his jacket in some scenes. masterpiece.
"Imma do my own thang" is probably one of the coldest lines miles ever delivers too, its so great
I'm pretty sure the serum Miguel injects himself with is to repress the side effects of his powers, like the teeth and claws.
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If I had a nickel for every time a multi-verse movie had a plot point driven by a bagel, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Miguel in the comics is my favorite Spider person. While I loved his accurate characterization in the movie, "techifying" him was one of the aspects I least enjoyed. Miguel in the comics was in an Alchemax accident that game him permanent powers that more closely resembled Daredevil than Spider-Man. His Spider-Sense is actually so OP that he has to wear sunglasses in the daytime to null it's effects. His fangs secret a venom that paralyzes anyone (like a spider), and is physically bigger and stronger than Peter. Additionally, his webs are organic, to contrast with Peter's mechanical Web fluid. His costume is also pretty low tech in the comics, for it is just a black (yes, in the original comics, it was black illuminated by a neon blue setting) day of the dead costume. So, he's a fair bit different, but is mostly the same in the broadstrokes. It's still an excellent adaptation of Miguel's character, though.
I’m p sure his webbing is still naturally made , it’s jus enhanced by his suit to be able to control them like lasers ?
@@sixcaspersson1649 Then that wasn't made very clear. It was a pretty unnecessary change.
@@Vegitodraws I think it’s pretty cool
I for one like how the spider society it on the top part of the city. Even though Miguel in the comics says he feels guilty at going home in the top side because he feels more at home in the bottom part.
It's a neet contrast to the comics maybe showing how far he's strayed from his own cannon in a sense
I liked how, in the beginning, you can actually see Miles's roommate playing the ps4 spider-man game.
Of course, this does lead to some fascinating implications when you see that PS4 Spider-Man is a part of the spider-society
Don’t forget the mention of the 60s Spider-Man cartoon (or at least its theme song) while also showing a universe that IS the cartoon in the first movie lmao
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I’m so mad I didn’t notice the jacket color change at the end of the movie. Throughout the movie, Miles’ jacket is red, but at the end, he puts a purple jacket on when he goes to universe 42. I had thought that Miles was the Prowler with other hints, but my friends noticed the jacket change >:(
I think he definitely was supposed to be Spider-Man in earth 42 as you can see in a scene prowler miles was about to get bitten before the spider was taken from the universe
That’s why earth 42 doesn’t have a Spider-Man because it was taken by bagel guy
It's most definitely confirmed by spot's backstory, and miguel specifically saying "the spider that gave you your powers wasn't suppose to bite you."
Exactly.
Also, considering that the Insomniac Games version of Spidey makes a brief appearance, he's from a universe where Miles is also Spider-Man...
@@stevenbobbybills He's with Insomniac Miles, actually. They're walking side by side.
@Gamer G33k nah, that's one of the other Spider-Men wearing the Advanced suit, and the shorter one with him isn't wearing either of the Insomniac Miles costumes. The actual Insomniac Peter is actually rendered in the video game's style and is pointed out by name and dimension.
PLEASEEE give us that marathon video it’d be AMAZING
This movie is masterpiece it exceeded my expectations like the story, characters and animation and character development from Miles and Gwen are brilliant.
I also like Spider Punk his background and his character is one of best. Spot is great villain as well can't wait for third one.
Miguel O'Hara info for anyone wondering: Miguel O'Hara has heightened senses (though they aren't as strong as Spidey Senses), Razor sharp claws that retract from his finger tips & sharp venomous teeth which can poison anyone he bites. he has organic webs like Tobeys Spider-Man did but seems to have replaced them with some cool electrical webs in the film. he lives in a Universe where an original Spider-Man as already came & went, & gets his powers after a co-worker sabotages him while Miguel was working in his lab at Alchemax. There's also the Spider-Bite injection stuff which I know nothing about. In these ways, Miguel is different.
That theory of Miles being his focus to upset the balance goes with Miles' Dad breaking the desk device.
15:49 Correction: There are other Miles Morales. During the scenes where you see all the spider people, you can see the Insomniac Peter walking with the Insomniac Miles.
Also, the scene with the intended recipient for the spider shows it was Earth-42 Miles.
Hobie is just chaotic n i love it
Harry Potter and the deathly hallows part 2 was the first time I experienced a crowded cinema going like a football stadium. After that only Endgame and NWH managed to do the same for what I saw until now with ATSV.
Peter and his spider baby girl are the cutest thing I’ve ever seen … the pregnant spider woman was hilarious 😂
15:40
The insomniac miles morales can actually be seen in the movie. Though maybe just for easter eggs, it still means that this version of Miles is really just the only anomaly and that there are also other miles morales spidermen out there.
The Earth 42 Miles was also *supposed* to be the one bitten, but it was stolen and bit our Miles instead. There was no Peter Parker spiderman in Earth 42, Miles was supposed to be the first spiderman in that universe. THats why 42-Rio didnt even know who Spiderman was.
Idk if anyone caught it, but the go home machine displays 42 before sending Spider-Miles to that universe.
One thing I really liked is how dedicated the movie is to showing the absolute juxtaposition between Miles and 2099. Miles, despite his boundary-breaking acts of heroism in the first movie is branded as a villain completely out of his own control, while 2099 brands himself as a hero under his own authority, while his past actions prove to be intentionally dangerous and selfish, things he sees in Miles, despite them being projected onto him through predefined ideas of good and bad. It’s really interesting how they are extremely similar despite being polar opposites in how they act.
Actually in Captain Staceys uniform, it probably wasn't even a trans flag since he's a cop, and right where the supposed flag is, is where the stripes for a cop would go. Now yes its a different universe so it could also go somewhere else, but the universe is also very much water color so take it with a grain of salt
The showing I was in, people were laughing at like every joke and it was cool, you could even hear people yelling when their favorite spider person was on the screen
Spot is the ultimate and amazing super villain. He scares the crap out of me creatively and literally…
Spider-Punk: *Cleverly crafts an entire elaborate plan to overthrow an organization that monitors the multiverse*
Mr. Snake from The Bad Guys: "Finally! A worthy opponent!"
The Protect Trans kids thing is particularly Genius because of What Happened to Peter in her Universe. He wasn't comfortable with who he was and because of the inability to recognise that from others around him he died and the people closest to him ultimately failed to protect him. It's not Exactly like what we deal with in the real world, but it makes a lot of sense of Gwen to extend that sentiment to the trans community, a group of people who struggle to fit in because they aren't the person the outside world sees.
exactly, to me, it might even go further, with him being the potential trans kid, who suffers bullying. which would help explain why gwen would see this as a worthy cause(not the only reason, but a solid one)
@@marcosdhelenocan we also take a moment to appreciate that they did this in the best “hide in plain sight” way possible? I mean, subtly working it into her color scheme, and using the chaos of the entire movie to cover it from those who wouldn’t pay attention? As Hobie would say “that crew’s anarchist”
@@JaxAttax451 my one gripe, and this is something that the original comic is to blame, is that, i felt like the one peter should've turn into wasnt the lizard, but the green goblin.
for 2 reasons, 1. the goblin is the one to kill gwen in the original universe, but also, because goblin is tied to peter in a way the lizard isnt. he is peter's biggest foe.
@@marcosdheleno I totally agree! That just felt slightly out of place.
I was actually worried Spider punk was going to be a gimmick character when he first showed up, but he ended up being my favorite.
based username lmao
@@CrazzyGur thanks
You mentioned the mixing issue, which is actually a real thing! They had to release a new mixed version during the opening weekend rather than opening week because people were complaining about it, I think it was the way it was transferred over and perhaps that messed something up.
I think it’s obvious Gwen and her dad are just allies of the trans community and using their characters as such because her colors match the flag which they saw as an opportunity to thematically match their support with her colors.
I think it’s nice touch to her and Miles compatibility with Miles having a “BLM” on his bag. Showing they think of higher causes than themselves and being teenage superheroes.
Also Miles love for Hip-Hop that correlates with Gwen’s love for aggressive rock.
to me, i felt like they were "alies" because their peter was either gay or trans. it would fit with the bullying, and him trying a drug to change himself. it would also give the line of him "wanting to be like gwen" a new meaning.
since both her and her father saw peter as family, i feel like it would be natural for them to see it as a worthy cause.
@@marcosdheleno yeah I kind of got that impression too
if ur talking about gwen being trans, how come yall are just now talking about it?, and not when the first movie came out?
@@marcosdheleno I read Peter as being a trans boy too. He’s supposed to be the same-ish age as Gwen (15-16), but he still looks like a child, as if he hasn’t gone through puberty yet, which lines up with trans theory. Most trans kids go through puberty later than their cis peers, bc there’s a lot of psychological testing and blood work that need to be done before endocrinologists will let someone take cross-sex hormones. We know that Miles is 15 months younger than Gwen, and even he looks more mature than baby-faced Peter does.
@@FearEyes07 there was no evidence suggesting she was trans. Anyone could have headcanoned her as trans, but there was no actual basis.
If you look closely while Hobie is taking parts from the computer system on the way to see 2099 you can see him putting together his own watch
Dopinder the Cab Driver (from Deadpool) is finally a proper superhero
18:27 the thing is, he was miles’ uncle Aaron in spiderman homecoming because he mentioned going to his nephew miles’ birthday
Ah, yes. Miles Prowler. Miles "Tails" Prowler.
I'll leave now.
Easily the coolest Spider-Man no contest
Theory: All of the other Miles’ are apart of their own society. Prowler Miles also knows of the others, that’s why he says “Your dad”.
Not necessarily, if you saw a dude that looked exactly like you and begins talking crazy about other dimensions it wouldn't be that hard to put two and two together and realize he's an alternate you, doesn't mean he as actually met other version of himself before
@@Josuh I can understand that and it’s not just that. There is a reason why there aren’t any other miles there when there are several others that were made. I also think he is supposed to pick up a role of who is around him and not just be either the prowler or Spider-Man. In the beginning, he wants to travel the multiverse, who’s to say that dream isn’t shared by other Miles or just one? There’s more to this and I would try to make a video about it to explain better.
14:30 although it was a surprise that was ruined. it was never supposed to be an actual spoiler for the movie to be a 2 parter. it was confirmed to be in 2 parts all the way back in 2021 with its first reveal, where it shows the title as "Spider-Man Across the Spiderverse Part One"
When they orginally announced and showed the first trailer it was suppose to be named "Spiderman Across the Spider-Verse Part One" it wasn't until closer til the end of last year when they dropped part one of the title.
The way I straight up moaned in the theater when gwen was talking to her dad and the background literally MELTED
Sorry to hear that the movie being a two-parter was a bad spoiler but I’m pretty sure that was common knowledge from as early as when Across announced
"this is where the british stole all of our stuff!" *spiderman india and spiderpunk are friends*
Yeah but Hobie is an ANARCHIST so he hates the government and stuff.
This is very much a personal preference but I feel that most people prefer a quiet cinema experience so they can soak up the movie rather than being subjected to only being able to tell what's going on when the crowd isn't excited enough, just cause the moviegoers are quiet doesn't mean they aren't thoroughly enjoying themselves
I'm so happy i got to see this movie one two days before it leaving the cinemas. The room was basically me, my gf, and about 6 to 7 other random people. We all had some laughs in the start, but by the middle of the movie, everyone was so focused, no one made a single sound, not even the popcorn bag. And the best part is that there wasn't anyone behind me kicking my seat
@@SaladaSla Wow, it's already gone where you are? It just came here last Friday.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin yeah, it's a shame. I wanted to rewatch it so bad. At least I got to watch it on the big screen once
When I first watched the movie, I had also noticed all those small details for Hobie and loved him. Though, I was under the impression that it was leading up to a reveal that Hobie was a spy for a more evil Spiderman faction
Watching the movie dubbed saved me from the audio problem which everyone is talking about, support your country dubs.
(It helps me that the pt-br dub is always awesome)
Def gonna watch it in Canadian dub then 😂
@@hassassinator8858 wait, there are CANADIAN DUBS for USA movies???
@@wesleyfnas it's a joke lmaoo. Though I guess there could be a Canadian French dub...
"oh and let me guess he died?" one of best lines
The first time I heard of him in the movie I was like "Goddamnit not another f*cking love triangle" and by his exit I was cheering for him and just thanking the man for his help. Damn was he well written
I like how there 's a paragraph of subtitles at first and then he speaks the subtitles
Hobie is a fucking legend and my favorite part about Across. I've seen ATSV twice and it's great, but I have very VERY strong feelings for ITSV and it hasn't topped it imo, but maybe BTSV will (though it'll have to top the entire What's Up Danger sequence, which is a very tall order)
im in the same boat. loved this one, but i feel Into was the more complete package.
There's actually a different reason they don't show Miles from the PlayStation game. In the comics where that universe's Peter gets involved with the spider-verse, he says he doesn't want Miles to come so that if he dies, someone is there to protect their version of New York.
10:24 her backrounds also change to trans flag colors in emotional scenes. (Ex. The speech to her dad that makes him quit at the end of the movie)
we always knew it was a 2 parter! "part 1" had always been in the name!
Bro seeing The spot in his final form all black and the scribbles and stuff leaking out of him and his body looking unstable looked like Gon's transformation if you know which one i mean
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one of the very first things spider punk said when he came on screen was: "is this the guy from 1610?" proving that he already knew about miles because gwen told him.
Fun fact: at 4:52 the guy with the paper bag on his Head, is actually called, bombastic bag man, and was a part of the fantastic 4
One interesting thing I caught is that Miguel said that à universe without spiderman is erased, his whole threat to miles is the erasure of his world, but universe 42 is still here.
HELP MY CINEMA EXPERIENCE MADE ME WANNA DIE BC THERE WERE LIL KIDS THAT WOULD TALK DURING THE QUIET SCENES BC THEY WERE BORING FOR THEM BUT THEYRE THE SCENES THAT I NEED TO HEAR BUT THEN THEY'D BE SILENT DURING THE LOUD ACTION SCENES AND THEN THIS GUY NEXT TO ME WAS EATING MARS BARS AND FIDDLING THE PACKETS NON STOP AAAA but then when it was silent and everyone finally shut up it was so immersive and amazing and just omggggg SO PRETTY AJDSKLFJASD;KF :3
Same bro I too have suffered the tiny humans
That's why you go when kids are in school everyone should know this
@@flamebreaker7318 well in my case they were 4 and 5 and bunking school so
One of the few movies where I yelled out NO when to be continued came up like omg I need the next part
Detail I'm surprised videos I've seen don't go all the way with.
Miles states that you can have your cake and eat it to if you have two cakes. Well he tries that, he can't webswing with two cakes occupying both his hands which ultimately causes him to ruin both cakes.
He's probably going to have to realise eventually that maybe you really can't just have two cakes and have to make some tough choices
I remember that in the movie they broke this bridge (18:41) and it fell down, but in this clip they get launched up. I saw a post where it said that 2099's ai tried to fist bump miles and in a different version took a selfie.
Hobie leaving early after taking half the budget just to animate him
Thts why he left so early 😂, but he fulfilled what he wanted to do so it was quality time
never expected to hear someone complain about a silent cinema experience ngl
When we went to see the movie, my family was the only group of people really laughing at the jokes, and my mom isn’t even really a fan of super hero films. It’s kind of strange…
Spider punk is the Spider-Man we never new we needed