Truth. And the “I don’t need shield I just dodge” crowd I feel like are heavily discounting the dps uptime in being able to just attack without needing to dodge too
@@BladetastersDelight if people just keep on dodging who will do the damage? People calling ut skill issue isnt seeing the damage windows that are skipped while dodging...
Ceaser is an amazing pivot character for F2P players. It will be years before a F2P player will have the bench depth to replace her. Ave, true to Ceaser!
This pretty much, she can do anything - she is an investment for f2p players so they have a really strong shield, attack buff, damage debuff and stun. Best thing, pressing block when Thanatos charges his laser, blocking him perfectly anyway, smacking a shield in his face and stunning him.
Caesar stands out as one of the best units because of her versatility-making her a strong general support for any team. Once you invest in her(Get her to lvl 60 etc), she becomes a unit that can slot into any lineup without needing her signature equipment, although it might be worth pulling for her signature gear and potentially her M1 on her rerun. While there might be supports that may provide a higher value in specific areas in the future, the question becomes: is it worth pulling another unit for just a 10-20% damage increase on a specialized team if you already have Caesar? Unless future support units offer a significant 30-50% boost over her, it’s hard to justify benching Caesar due to her overall utility. For example, IWinToLoseGaming's comparison showcases this well: Run 1: Zhu Yuan, Qingyi, Nicole (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 62s Run 2: Zhu Yuan, Caesar, Nicole (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 57s The 5-second difference doesn’t necessarily mean Caesar is better than Qingyi (as factors like player skill come into play), but it shows how much utility Caesar offers, making her a hard-to-beat option even when there are teams that are built for synergy. Qingyi is another example of very generalize unit that increases damage when enemies are stunned, but Caesar’s general flexibility is what makes her stand out. Here are more comparisons: Run 1: Ellen Joe, Lycaon, Soukaku (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 78s Run 2: Ellen Joe, Caesar, Soukaku (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 74s Run 3: Ellen Joe, Lycaon, Caesar (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 69s While Caesar improved the times in these runs, the changes aren’t massive. But what Caesar brings to the table is a smoother play experience, reducing stress by offering utility, like shielding vulnerable characters like Ellen during her BA3. Even in teams with well-established synergy, Caesar performs similarly or better, showing that she’s a great fit for any composition. It’s unlikely that another unit will surpass her unless they can provide better shields, buffs, and debuffs for every type of team-whether it’s Ice, Ether, Anomaly, Physical, etc. TL;DR: Caesar saves you from needing to invest in multiple limited supports, each with niche roles, ultimately saving you resources in the long run while providing top-tier utility for any team. This in turn lets you focus your resources on DPs/ anomaly characters.
Caesar's value as a comfort pick just feels too enormous to ignore. Sure, down the line she may not provide the biggest damage boost, but those shields will make doing any harder content such as the obsidian missions far more forgiving than they otherwise would be.
Yeah and in that case she'll pair well with newer DMG boosters and a dps since she fills stun role as well it just solidifies her in meta that much longer. She'll make future characters better👌🏽
Her damage boost is insane what are you saying? Put her on 4 piece er or her new set and she guves as much damage bonus as any other character in the game... do people even know how insane of a buff she give?
dodging is pretty easy if you play on PC at higher framerates I tried playing the game on my ipad while on vacation to do my dailies and it feels way worse I can see caesar being useful if you play on mobile
For those who are Corin's main, she performs better(finished SD faster) with Caesar+Lucy compared to her usual team with Rina+Qingyi. I think the main reason is less dodging, I can brawl against the brawlers' duo no problem.
While Caesar's has good pull value I think she actually has a niche. Unless they decide to make the super armor/anti-interrupt part of her kit available to all future defense units it's likely that this will be the unique part of her kit. Her buffs are very generic so it's hard to think a limited support won't be able to surpass her in value there. Also shielding in this game actually incentivizes not taking damage even more so (since a portion of the buffs is only active when the shield is). Building out from those assumptions her likely niche will be to support units with long animations where getting interrupted will be a huge damage loss. This leads me to think of a possible S-Rank Corrin/Anton where they have a channelling type skill will be where she might be BIS. Alternatively it might be someone like S11 where her last hit deals a large proportion of her damage but has a long combo before getting there. These kinds of playstyles don't appeal to everyone though so might be something to consider with Caesar's future role/value.
lets be real, who doesnt want comfort. As for people saying it'll make the game easier, no way hoyo made an entire class and do nothing about it. Defense will play more roles in the future, whether its to buff them or to nerf them.
If you have a invested S11 (mine is m1 with signature w), you have to pull Caesar. The shield is so important for channeling dps like Colin, or dps like S11 where the last combo hit is critical. Not to mention the ability to CC, it really save a lot of time running around to group small mobs in certain game modes.
About the W engine concern, I do personally believe that people have what I like to call "HSR syndrome" when it comes to looking at ZZZ. By that I mean that we got used in HSR to think "No compatible path = no use of lightcone" because in said game there is no main stat on the lightcone. There is just the passive which is locked behind the path. The entire lightcone is the passive (plus the atk hp etc that are pretty negligible when it comes to builds it's mostly a given.) To any fellow f2p/lowspenders like me, if you came from HSR abandon this mindset. Use a mindset similar to Genshin's. It's nice to have the passive proc but, often times, a stat stick is all you need to clear content. Currently Im using The Restrained with my King, and I don't regret it at all! Luv you EOD! Thanks for another video! :D
She is fun to play from her demo, however i really want burnice and lighter to run mono fire with lucy so I will sadly have to wait for her future rerun
@@1-hritayandebnath807 not sure about any real upsides but im so used to running mono electric (grace, rina, anby) that i want to try mono fire (also since they both run with a good anomaly character)
Im pulling for caesar & super happy i won my 50 50 & just got her today! Mainly because i cant dodge easily everytime i fight those freaking twin ballerinas. So the shield she provides definitely one of my main reason pulling her. Right now my team for her is Jane, Caesar, Lucy & the new bangboo
Used my guaranteed for Caesar and I’m skipping her w engine because I want to have a chance to get Burnice and her w engine (and I wanna try to build a team around Burnice and Caesar). Wish me luck that I win my 50/50 on Burnice’s banner! 🍀
A skip for me until I can't clear content with my current setups. I do like her design and all, but I just think Burnice will provide more value for me as I have no fire coverage.
@@shariqueraza4409Agreed, Yanagi makes a lot more sense for a Jane and Seth team. I'm still waiting to see how Burnice performs but I'll likely pull her anyway to pair with Piper and Lucy.
I see your point. I raise you a counter point: what account will do better in the long term: one that invests most of its early pulls towards securing 5 premium damage options across all attributes then looks to pick up caesar on a rerun, or one that gets Caesar now, even if this means compromising their ability to pick up those premium damage units?
I only have zhuan yuan as S attacker. I do have qyinqi but i use her with anton and rina. For zhuan yuan i use nicole and anby. I also have koleda and nekomata but not build. Should i pull her or wait for another S attacker?nor build nekomata?! I'm so confused
Pair Zhu Yuan with Qingyi, not Anby. Only use Qingyi in the other team if you specifically need Electric DPS and dont plan to use Grace/Anton/Rina on that side. I recommend going for Zhu Yuan + Qingyi + Nicole, then for the second team you are guaranteed a Lucy from the event so go Koleda + Lucy + Rina... So no, you dont technically need Ceasar but she would be a good flex replacement in your Koleda + Lucy + Ceasar and then final 3rd team will be Anton + rina + flexible although tbh get rid of anton eventually.
I got her in 20 pulls after losing to Neko (which I'm not even mad since I am using her in Caesar's team with Lucy) and her Wengine and I love her. Playstyle feels awesome, incredible buffs. Even if I have her at E rank, her personality is funny (tough country girl but super bubbly and loveable who struggles with words but always does her best). When you fight the doppelgangers and you parry, their attacks feel so satisfying. If you have the resources, get her. The game will change and adapt to her teams. if you can complete the challenges with ease now, next time you probably won't be able to due to the aggressive enemies.
yeah, especially in new Ambush node we start having a lot of nasty bosses fight that will gang up on you, having a shield and doesn't need to constantly dodging or parry really a huge QoL
She is already providing 1000 attk with one click while Lucy over here gives 600attk and Soukaku takes a long time to set up her buff, so she already the best support, unless you count Qingyi as support with her whooping 60% extra dmg while stunned. Then she is the Best at shielding dmg and providing anti interrupt, her shield is ridiculous. She will definitely get dethroned on the support role when actual S-rank supports come, but her shielding role will remain unmatched for a long while, years maybe (look at Zhongli).
Will Caesar be better for jane doe team ? Right now i used Jane Seth Rina team. If i am getting caesar will she be an upgrade by replacing Rina ? Or is there any better or smoother jane doe team comps? Currently has best Zhu yuan team. Zhu yuan, Qingyi and Nicole M6. I want make the best team for Jane doe too, is it worth to pull Caesar ? My preferred playstyle is to have better fluid and synergistic team comps and now i am confused who is the best last slot for jane doe team.
There is a flaw in this theory though. The core passive requirements prevents generalist units from shining in being flexible. And it isn't that Caesar's passive isn't flexible, but other team member's passives are, and they won't work with Caesar.
Already got Team 1 Ellen/Soukaku/Lycaon and Team 2 Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/M6 Nicole. I think theres no point of getting new character for me since I can clear everything easily even with no element advantage. Maybe if we will need a 3rd team in the future, I think I'm gonna save for now.
@@randommodnar103 same teams in use for me, hence why I skipped Jane. Though I see showcases of Janes numbers and now I have some regret lol. I did go for Caesar but only coz I like the SoC cast and am building a 3rd team of her, Piper and Lucy just for fun.
@@tomeetipee I should have saved with Jane, but I too saw the big numbers and wanted to get her XD. Now I'm just seeing whether or not to get Caesar, cause I really like Piper and making a biker gang sounds fun XD.
You could get burnice and later yanagi and play disorder... since you didn't got jane and see no need for caesar... elemental coverage is important in this game ngl
@@tomeetipee 70-80k assault on an average f2p build is more than fun it also easily clears content, now with caesar piper isnt even interrupted while spinning lol
I knew I wanted Caesar so pulled for her and got super lucky. I lost the 50/50 to Koleda but then pulled her in the next 10 pull (so 60 pulls total). I had some pulls saved over so i went for her wengine and lost the 75/25 to koleda's wengine, which is an ok substitute for now. and if i ever get a 5* defender wengine i can give the stun wengine to qingyi. Now i'm planning on saving my pulls until a limited 5* fire attack character comes out to pair with my koleda and ben, and will also go for their wengine now i have the guarantee. Already loving my Caesar. Even though she isn't fully geared out, she's already improved my Corin team, and it will only continue to improve once i've fully built Caesar and Rina after.
Sure, in time specialist units will take Caesar’s spot. But when that time comes all the old dps and stunners will be powercrept as well so her shelf life isn’t really shorter than others.
something I think is brilliant about this game is that there are no healers, and because there are no healers they can have content in the game that is about surviving like we already have, instead of dps checks. They have an opportunity to give defensive characters alot of viability.
As someone who already have a built jane and ellen, having a support to add on jane's team is a good buy. I can also add her in S11 team with lucy for more damage boost
To this day im still regretting not pulling for aventurine in HSR specially with the amount of bosses that has nukes eg. Sunday, hoolay/feixiao, and fcking bug. I will never make the same mistake again. Less go ceasar!!! :D
I lost my 50/50, so I’m going for Burnice now as I have Jane to compliment her. I love the anomaly playstyle so I might go for that new electric anomaly coming out too as I don’t have grace yet.
I got Caesar in 20 which I am super happy about and I aim to build a main team around her as i really enjoy her play style. So I switched to the weapon banner and lost the 75/25 (got Hellfire Gears) at more or less max pity... What should I do? Should I keep pulling for her W-Engine? I am a 30-day sub + Battle Pass player, not a whale. I am torn because her sig W-Engine seems more essential than any other character.
you may increase her value by those Shiyu - ambush 's rotate it will get harder and harder to dodge everything but we usually dont see more than 2 elite
She’s really valuable RIGHT NOW but it is true when teams get specialists she’ll probably get benched for that team BUT she can now be on other teams, also any team regardless of attribute can slot her in and still perform better than some A ranks.
I think overlooking caesar because of weapon choice is a bit of an oversight by some people. As a f2p player, i think he weapon is absolutely worth it to get if you pull her. I think it's going to extend her use for a long time. And if a shielder comes out who is better than her, it might be a good weapon for them as well. I pulled for Ellen, then Caesar and her weapon and I've still got enough for a 50/50 and more. Right now she offers something no other character does, the uptime of not being interrupted. And if hoyo comes out with a character who benefits from being at low hp, she's going to pair extremely well with them.
I cleared the max level 12 of the new blitz mode as well as s rank the new shiyu defense with a max build jane doe, level 30 ceasar and seth. It was now too ez. And yes im f2p who got lucky rolls. Caesar's buff are teally really good especially to those who are struggling on late game content. And if you're not good at timing your dodges, her shields make you near immortal
I didn't plan on getting Caesar. I just threw down 10 films to see if I could get Piper (the only A rank I don't have) just to have another person to talk to around the town. But I ended up with Caesar instead. I guess I will just build Caesar and wait till Obol squad. I'm not really interested in the next few characters. Gonna try using Ben and Caesar together...
I dont need her ,but after spending a few hours pressing Equipment and Skills in the character menu ... all that bounce convinced me to pull... with my left hand on the mouse
I managed to get her and her w-engine, she’s amazing but a bit hard to use, especially her parry mechanic but that’s on me not her, but she is an amazing stunner, she works amazing with my Zhu Yuan team and Soldier 11 team.
I think she always maintain some value with characters that have very long attacks. Ellen or corrin is an example to where they can get to their high dps combos without being hit out of
I'm actually running Lycaon's W-engine on her after losing the 75/25. Well, looks like Caesar will get that weapon whether it was a win on the 75/25 or not.
I think it's also a player skill issue. For instance, I really enjoy the game, but my dodges and counters are quite sloppy 😅 so smb like me greatly benefits from her shielding ability. Having her on the team means I can be a bit more relaxed with how I play instead of stressing out over end of the game content. Strangely enough, she makes a really great team with Seth. Put them together during story mode on accident and she bufffed him up into a very decent attacker 😂
her shield is so good. i don't have her wengine and she still core skill D and that's already enough to comfortably clear ambush node. i use piper-caesar-lucy in 1st half and zhu yuan-qingyi-nicole in 2nd half. i don't have issue dodging and perfect assist in 2nd half but the comfort caesar provide is insane.
My main issue with her is she feels a little bland gameplay wise especially after Jane and Qingyi. Honestly I wish I just saved for Bernice yanagi and lighter
The only reason tempting me to pull her is her Absolutely satisfying parry and her Daze impact being actually good. Maybe I would invest her depending whether I win or lose my 50/50
Well, she'll always have the ability to enable comfy mode if nothing else. Has future potential as well due to her anti-interrupt. I'm gonna pass this time, maybe I'll try to get her on rerun if I feel like I need her. I'm aiming for Burnice and thinking whether she can replace my S11 for fire team, bc in that case, I definitely don't need Caesar until a new shiny dps that need anti-interrupt arrives. I'm content with 4 star supports for now.
Got her in 40 pulls, which is my best pull so far, so I'm definitely going for her Wengine. I couldn't decide at first to pull her or Burnice since I love Caesar playstyle/big buffer/stun but wanted to get a good disorder team going with Jane. But after the Yanagi and Lighter announcement plus not getting Qingyi it made it real easy to go for Caesar. I don't have Grace or any real electric dmg, don't want to invest into my Anton, and I just got solider 11 so I think I'm good on fire.
EoD is a Nicole glazer. A Nicole even at M6 doesn't provide the same level of utility as an M0 Caesar. Caesar will end up having the Kazuha effect from Genshin. Strong shield, anti interruption, huge debuffs and huge atk boost while being a hybrid stunner. ZZZ won't be releasing a character like this again for atleast a while.
Hey I love Nicole as a character, but damn she is mid af for anyone that is not Zhu Yuan (and future Ether she will be good with). For non Ether all she does is 30% def shred which sounds good as a numbers but the problem is that she provides it for 3 minúscule seconds.... Then she provides the 4set disk buff of 18% more dmg or some, but any support can do that. The only good two things she provides is grouping and the +15% crit rate (but needs M6 tho). Imo Rinna is better than Nikki for everyone that is not Zhu Yuan.
Little but stun? If target is aggressive then she stuns faster than Qingyi or Lycaon or even Koleda... and also zzz is a parry and dodge focus game so enemies are bount to be aggressive so i dont see caesar's value any less than other stunners, also 25 percent damage buff abd highest attack buff with permanent uptime and nearly unbreakable shields when enemies have attacks that cant be parried this shield becomes a huge QOL...
@@1-hritayandebnath807 you forgot about the interruption resistance being a huge dps gain on dps like ellen who get majority of their dmg from their 3rd combo string
I pulled her right away, and she's amazing she fits in all my teams, so much comfort with her, my account feels complete now this early in the game which is wild So much so I already am going to skip 1.3 and 1.4, then see what comes after the teams feel so comfy with her, if someone does buff more I would still pick ceasar just for now comfy she is in the team, and would allow me to do even more damage if I play really bad, which usually happens lol
@Galahad-j8u if it can't be dodged, then it should be parryable? You mean it's harder to dodge? Cause i don't see why they'd put something like that in the game, doesn't seem like it'd work out that well. Even so Seth provides a good shield so its ok. Also my jane is critting 3 mil per assualt, 4 mil during passion state and 5 mil with seth i'm chunking bosses i don't need ceasars buff.
Funny I skipped Jane cause I didnt feel I needed her when already burst like a god with Zhu Yuan and clear fast with Ellen. I think it was a good decisión, Jane seems very good but not must pull, will get powercrept just as my other DPSs. Then went for Ceasar to make my other obscure character viable and confortable like S11, Corin, Anton, Piper and Billy. Having a blast playing them A-Ranks with Ceasar atm.
I would pull her anyway because the fact that she can block a tons of damage (the updated enemies right now are way more aggresive and they hit harder), universal buff and very flexible in a lot of team is way too enough for me. What you probably might want to invest more is the bangboo for the different teams you are going to use it with her.
I pulled for caesar and not for her w-engine, just cleared the new shiyu defense, don't really feel like I'm missing out on anything tbh, plus you can kinda cope and say that the fact that she doesn't have any good alternatives is better actually cuz then you don't have to level up another w-engine just for her, which saves a lot of resources
If HI3 thought me anything is that going DPS of the month isn’t in your best interest long term and you should build out your niche. At least in HI3 a well built team can perform outside of its niche.
I'm saving until I can get a none physical dps like burnice or yanagi. Not really worried over following the meta since I'm still having an easy time S ranking everything with just Billy/Nicole and Piper/Lucy.
I lost the 50/50 to S11. It sucks to skip her since she seems cool, but I'd rather guarantee burnice. Guess I'll start building s11/lucy for fire coverage on this new mode.
There's another argument I think you missed that is also quite popular and that is that Caeser is an S rank defense character whereas we still don't have any limited 5 star S rank support character which could be considerably stronger and have far better support capabilities in terms of offensive utility. Support characters from other hoyo games have completely broken the game and those characters have essentially been staples in every meta team since their release. Most notable in genshin would be kazuha who did release a year from initial release. Majority of other characters are sub/off-field DPS such as Yelan, Nahida, Furina aside from Archons maybe Kuki, Kokomi etc.. In HSR Fu-Xuan, Ruan Mei and now Aventurine and Robin could even include Topaz which has been a staple in follow up. Someone calculated the amount of polychrome given in 1.1 which was around 13.1k. So being abit optimistic for future and rounding it up to 15k per patch, if there is around 8.5 patches per year that is roughly 127.5k polychrome per year. That is assuming you even play for a year straight which alot of people won't. Soft pity being around 75 pulls which is 12k. That means in a year you can get 10 characters and guarantee 5. The fact that there are only 3 slots in every team actually really hurts her meta wise. Could potentially see the number of teams required go from 2 up to 3 which in that case the argument for her case is more reasonable. 3 teams means building 9 characters which is just one off the usual 8 required for other hoyo "abyss" like modes. The other hoyo games don't have 3 team modes, but building 9 characters compared to the usual 8 is not that unreasonable. I would say that this is her only argument though, at least for me.
I don't really need Caesar but since i want someone to support my Piper then i pulled for her. How about my Jane? I like Burnice but i'll gladly skip her since we should be getting another off field anomaly anytime soon.
What I fear the most is that they will make Shiyu defense become awful to clear without shielder like adding more health to enemies or make them attack interruptively so you can’t dodge as much to clear it in time. 😢
burnice and caesar are good and will benefit me personally so im just gonna draw pull and see which one i get , if i got caesar im skipping burnice if i didnt get caesar well ill have enough for burnice
I pulled for her and won her after 89 pulls, my acc rn has M1R1 ellen, M0 jane, M1 rina, M0 grace and has all support role characters built and I'm thinking of saving up again (currently has 50 pulls left) for yanagi (to use her with jane) and if i somehow lost 50/50 on her I'll go for a guaranteed miyabi, is this a good plan??
You having Jane, i think Yanagi is the right choice. But still, wait for her confirmed kit so you can make a better decision. Based on the hype and CBT, you can't go wrong with Miyabi but anything can change when she arrives in the game officially so it's better to confirm Yanagi and Miyabi's kit before having a fix decision regarding them unless you don't care about their kit and really love the characters. Regarding Caesar, better pair her with your Ellen if you don't have Lyc. Well, Caesar perfectly works with everyone esp with dps agent. You just have to try it yourself which team comp is better
@@nagichwaan Yep yep I really do wanna look deeper into their kit so I can't go wrong on pulling for them but if I somehow lose it to Yanagi I think grace is a character i could build for Jane?? I just pulled for Caesar because I know she can fill many missing roles in the future especially this time that ZZZ has chosen to Powercreep those already existing standard S-ranks instead of filling up some untouched roles like ice defense or ether stunner, I'm also considering picking up Lycaon on the Standard Selector for Ellen(245/300)
@@MyriiTakka tbh, i don't really know bc i don't have Jane but base on the tutorials in yt and kit wise, you don't have to worry much about who will you pair with Jane as long as that agent is anomaly agent bc of her passive. Another reason is Jane requires much time on the field so you can use Grace that much that's why off field anomaly is much better. Lucy would be a great choice too for Jane and Seth comp bc of her off field damage buff and less time usage in the field.
@@nagichwaan Ohh I see that's why they're saying that Burnice will be good for Jane just because of her Off-field capabilities, alright alright thanks for the info I'll try using Lucy with her for the mean time
I think defense characters for this game are just for comfort, while in hsr you would definitely need one defensive/healing unit for most content, here is really negligible since is a skill based game
Honestly you have to be brain dead to think she's not good. She helps with straight up ignoring one of the most devasting mechanics in a game like this against your DPS and generally every character. A powerful shield that scales with impact. Which makes her a puesdo great stunner. 1,Let alone, when you have the shield on ANY character. (Which can be triggered as easily as just breathing). 2.She gives them a crazy attack buff. 3.This attack buff being useful on every single DPS that will ever come out. Since you'll want to have that shield just to ignore knocback. And have guaranted damage for all your other characters. Oh and don't forget. She has a passive ability that can work with any defensive assist in the game. It afflicts a debuff in a 7m radius that increases the damage they tack by 25% for 30 SECONDS! Add all that in to a character. And look me in the fact and tell me how can anyone say she's 'bad' or let alone, be easily power crept. It's impossible. Much like Zhongli post buff and Aventurine. She's a busted shielder. Probably the only "Must pull". Cause I doubt they're gonna introduce another character with that shield exactly like hers. She has the golden trinity of power creep immunity. 1. Crazy Buff support and deubff capabilites. 2. A shield that protects from damage and negates a core mechanic of the game. 3. and versatility to fit on any team due to her own passive abilities. Works great with any f2p team. I would say she is the only "Must pull" in the game. I like Rina, Ellen is aight, Lycoan has been a major MVP as my first S rank, Qingyi is pretty damn good.....But I also like not getting knocked out of a combo and havin a near permenant damage buff against any enemy in the game. Lycoan is my favorite character in the game. He's the reason i started and rerolled. But best believe if anyone ask me right now "Hey, gun to my head. Who's the one character you should reroll for, RIGHT NOW. 5 SECONDS!" I'm saying Caeser. ------------ Edit: But if you can dodge, then sure skip. But even if you can dodge. You'd still have a crazy attack buff for your team and debuff on the enemies. So...more damage overall. probably the most f2p friendly unit. Since her buffs are universal. And she protects the team. And what do we say in all games? Arguably a buff to any account no matter the units. Throw on any team where your lacking a third and she'll fill the roll with buffs and defense. Her buff alone is better than most supports in the game atm. Granted, there are anamoly teams. But by the time this character is 'powercrept'. I can almost bet a year or two would gone by. Since Zhongli hasn't been 'crept'.
I've lost my 50/50 for my first pull on the banner and got grace. Now that I think of it I have jane doe i guess I'll skip Caesar and go for Burnice so that I can have 3 anomaly teams
Easy skip imo if you don’t have any issue with the content/want more difficulty. Nice design but would rather go for a counter based attacker in the future without shields
I don't know. My M2S1 Caesar buffs more than every M6 A-rank in the game and every M2 S-rank in the game. And that's just buffing. I'm not even taking into account her complete anti-interruption, 5k+ shield, and stunning. Seems pretty good to me.
I'm skipping to get the whole Section 6. She's OP and all but getting her just so I can get a few more stars on Shiyu Defense? Nah... Just not worth unless you love the character
I lost both 50 50 in my account, 3rd one in a row and I probably uninstall, my account is so far behind without a second good team because of loosing 2 times in a row is disgusting
Love her character, but, I think I gotta skip. Sure she's an upgrade over several characters in several teams, but not by enough. I wish they'd have leaned more into the grouping and less into the shield. Dodging and managing attack windows is so much of the fun of the game, chasing down stray mobs with peashooters, not so much.
Caesar Build Guide (Hypercarry/Support/Hybrid) - th-cam.com/video/O5p9tmR-yq8/w-d-xo.html
She's a godsend against all these annoying bosses like Thanatos and the stupid robot that shoots million lasers
Fr my Mobile ass can’t dodge 100 perfect times in a row, it gets tiring, but Caesar is just perfect, like Zhongli who I also love 😍
Glad I found someone's having the same issues with that Thanatos😂
Truth. And the “I don’t need shield I just dodge” crowd I feel like are heavily discounting the dps uptime in being able to just attack without needing to dodge too
@@BladetastersDelight if people just keep on dodging who will do the damage? People calling ut skill issue isnt seeing the damage windows that are skipped while dodging...
THANATOS is the mega-boss as far as I'm concerned... I'd rather fight the other bosses x2. I hate that b*st*rd!
Ceaser is an amazing pivot character for F2P players. It will be years before a F2P player will have the bench depth to replace her. Ave, true to Ceaser!
This pretty much, she can do anything - she is an investment for f2p players so they have a really strong shield, attack buff, damage debuff and stun. Best thing, pressing block when Thanatos charges his laser, blocking him perfectly anyway, smacking a shield in his face and stunning him.
Caesar stands out as one of the best units because of her versatility-making her a strong general support for any team. Once you invest in her(Get her to lvl 60 etc), she becomes a unit that can slot into any lineup without needing her signature equipment, although it might be worth pulling for her signature gear and potentially her M1 on her rerun.
While there might be supports that may provide a higher value in specific areas in the future, the question becomes: is it worth pulling another unit for just a 10-20% damage increase on a specialized team if you already have Caesar? Unless future support units offer a significant 30-50% boost over her, it’s hard to justify benching Caesar due to her overall utility.
For example, IWinToLoseGaming's comparison showcases this well:
Run 1: Zhu Yuan, Qingyi, Nicole (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 62s
Run 2: Zhu Yuan, Caesar, Nicole (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 57s
The 5-second difference doesn’t necessarily mean Caesar is better than Qingyi (as factors like player skill come into play), but it shows how much utility Caesar offers, making her a hard-to-beat option even when there are teams that are built for synergy.
Qingyi is another example of very generalize unit that increases damage when enemies are stunned, but Caesar’s general flexibility is what makes her stand out.
Here are more comparisons:
Run 1: Ellen Joe, Lycaon, Soukaku (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 78s
Run 2: Ellen Joe, Caesar, Soukaku (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 74s
Run 3: Ellen Joe, Lycaon, Caesar (Shiyu D8-1) - Clear time: 69s
While Caesar improved the times in these runs, the changes aren’t massive. But what Caesar brings to the table is a smoother play experience, reducing stress by offering utility, like shielding vulnerable characters like Ellen during her BA3.
Even in teams with well-established synergy, Caesar performs similarly or better, showing that she’s a great fit for any composition. It’s unlikely that another unit will surpass her unless they can provide better shields, buffs, and debuffs for every type of team-whether it’s Ice, Ether, Anomaly, Physical, etc.
TL;DR: Caesar saves you from needing to invest in multiple limited supports, each with niche roles, ultimately saving you resources in the long run while providing top-tier utility for any team. This in turn lets you focus your resources on DPs/ anomaly characters.
Caesar's value as a comfort pick just feels too enormous to ignore. Sure, down the line she may not provide the biggest damage boost, but those shields will make doing any harder content such as the obsidian missions far more forgiving than they otherwise would be.
Yeah and in that case she'll pair well with newer DMG boosters and a dps since she fills stun role as well it just solidifies her in meta that much longer. She'll make future characters better👌🏽
Her damage boost is insane what are you saying? Put her on 4 piece er or her new set and she guves as much damage bonus as any other character in the game... do people even know how insane of a buff she give?
For u those who claim to be a dodge master can skip. For me it's a send from heaven, have shield+buffer and can slot in many teams 🤩
Dodge masters are discounting the dps uptime from having a shield too
I’m working my way up to being a dodge master but I’ll be damed if I didn’t pull her for 1.the saftey net, and 2. I freaking love me some parries.
dodging is pretty easy if you play on PC at higher framerates
I tried playing the game on my ipad while on vacation to do my dailies and it feels way worse
I can see caesar being useful if you play on mobile
For those who are Corin's main, she performs better(finished SD faster) with Caesar+Lucy compared to her usual team with Rina+Qingyi. I think the main reason is less dodging, I can brawl against the brawlers' duo no problem.
Corin is good cause she defensive assist, also Corin damage is ALL from stun windows, Corin no need shield, Piper do more for Corin than Caesar
She is insane for F2P and will be there as a comfortable staple for any teams.
While Caesar's has good pull value I think she actually has a niche. Unless they decide to make the super armor/anti-interrupt part of her kit available to all future defense units it's likely that this will be the unique part of her kit. Her buffs are very generic so it's hard to think a limited support won't be able to surpass her in value there. Also shielding in this game actually incentivizes not taking damage even more so (since a portion of the buffs is only active when the shield is).
Building out from those assumptions her likely niche will be to support units with long animations where getting interrupted will be a huge damage loss. This leads me to think of a possible S-Rank Corrin/Anton where they have a channelling type skill will be where she might be BIS. Alternatively it might be someone like S11 where her last hit deals a large proportion of her damage but has a long combo before getting there. These kinds of playstyles don't appeal to everyone though so might be something to consider with Caesar's future role/value.
lets be real, who doesnt want comfort. As for people saying it'll make the game easier, no way hoyo made an entire class and do nothing about it. Defense will play more roles in the future, whether its to buff them or to nerf them.
I'm cope-ing that Zzz will give us a 4* W-engine for defense characters that works on her in the future, Even if it is an event lock weapon.
If you have a invested S11 (mine is m1 with signature w), you have to pull Caesar. The shield is so important for channeling dps like Colin, or dps like S11 where the last combo hit is critical. Not to mention the ability to CC, it really save a lot of time running around to group small mobs in certain game modes.
About the W engine concern, I do personally believe that people have what I like to call "HSR syndrome" when it comes to looking at ZZZ. By that I mean that we got used in HSR to think "No compatible path = no use of lightcone" because in said game there is no main stat on the lightcone. There is just the passive which is locked behind the path. The entire lightcone is the passive (plus the atk hp etc that are pretty negligible when it comes to builds it's mostly a given.)
To any fellow f2p/lowspenders like me, if you came from HSR abandon this mindset. Use a mindset similar to Genshin's. It's nice to have the passive proc but, often times, a stat stick is all you need to clear content. Currently Im using The Restrained with my King, and I don't regret it at all!
Luv you EOD! Thanks for another video! :D
Isn’t there some recommendation that people invest in supports in HSR? Similar thinking no?
HSR and ZZZ are very different games
She is fun to play from her demo, however i really want burnice and lighter to run mono fire with lucy so I will sadly have to wait for her future rerun
Does mono fire give any specific buff that it's better to run 3 man fire team? Or is it your own wish you only play a mono fire team?
@@1-hritayandebnath807 not sure about any real upsides but im so used to running mono electric (grace, rina, anby) that i want to try mono fire (also since they both run with a good anomaly character)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I like her different approach to fighting and shield parry/bash😄
I would absolutely pull for Caesar when she gets her rerun. I just have other priority at the moment. :(
Im pulling for caesar & super happy i won my 50 50 & just got her today! Mainly because i cant dodge easily everytime i fight those freaking twin ballerinas. So the shield she provides definitely one of my main reason pulling her. Right now my team for her is Jane, Caesar, Lucy & the new bangboo
Used my guaranteed for Caesar and I’m skipping her w engine because I want to have a chance to get Burnice and her w engine (and I wanna try to build a team around Burnice and Caesar). Wish me luck that I win my 50/50 on Burnice’s banner! 🍀
A skip for me until I can't clear content with my current setups. I do like her design and all, but I just think Burnice will provide more value for me as I have no fire coverage.
As someone said: specialists are always better than generalist, so Burnice is way more trustable than Caesar
@@herssel1145 electric anomaly has higher disorder dmg multiplier than burn lol. Yanagi might already be replacing burnice in jane comps.
@@shariqueraza4409Agreed, Yanagi makes a lot more sense for a Jane and Seth team. I'm still waiting to see how Burnice performs but I'll likely pull her anyway to pair with Piper and Lucy.
@@shariqueraza4409 Not just that but "dreams" show that Yanagi might have a specific buff to disorder damage
@@herssel1145 ehh?
I see your point. I raise you a counter point: what account will do better in the long term: one that invests most of its early pulls towards securing 5 premium damage options across all attributes then looks to pick up caesar on a rerun, or one that gets Caesar now, even if this means compromising their ability to pick up those premium damage units?
I only have zhuan yuan as S attacker. I do have qyinqi but i use her with anton and rina. For zhuan yuan i use nicole and anby. I also have koleda and nekomata but not build. Should i pull her or wait for another S attacker?nor build nekomata?! I'm so confused
Pair Zhu Yuan with Qingyi, not Anby. Only use Qingyi in the other team if you specifically need Electric DPS and dont plan to use Grace/Anton/Rina on that side.
I recommend going for Zhu Yuan + Qingyi + Nicole, then for the second team you are guaranteed a Lucy from the event so go Koleda + Lucy + Rina...
So no, you dont technically need Ceasar but she would be a good flex replacement in your Koleda + Lucy + Ceasar and then final 3rd team will be Anton + rina + flexible although tbh get rid of anton eventually.
@@SighMyNameTaken I will eventually but for the moment he is my second carry. Thanks, I'll try those teams you said! I appreciate the feedback
I got her in 20 pulls after losing to Neko (which I'm not even mad since I am using her in Caesar's team with Lucy) and her Wengine and I love her. Playstyle feels awesome, incredible buffs. Even if I have her at E rank, her personality is funny (tough country girl but super bubbly and loveable who struggles with words but always does her best).
When you fight the doppelgangers and you parry, their attacks feel so satisfying.
If you have the resources, get her. The game will change and adapt to her teams. if you can complete the challenges with ease now, next time you probably won't be able to due to the aggressive enemies.
What do you mean by she's not best at anything? She is literally the best at shielding and buffing right now.
yeah, especially in new Ambush node we start having a lot of nasty bosses fight that will gang up on you, having a shield and doesn't need to constantly dodging or parry really a huge QoL
She is already providing 1000 attk with one click while Lucy over here gives 600attk and Soukaku takes a long time to set up her buff, so she already the best support, unless you count Qingyi as support with her whooping 60% extra dmg while stunned.
Then she is the Best at shielding dmg and providing anti interrupt, her shield is ridiculous.
She will definitely get dethroned on the support role when actual S-rank supports come, but her shielding role will remain unmatched for a long while, years maybe (look at Zhongli).
Will Caesar be better for jane doe team ? Right now i used Jane Seth Rina team. If i am getting caesar will she be an upgrade by replacing Rina ? Or is there any better or smoother jane doe team comps?
Currently has best Zhu yuan team. Zhu yuan, Qingyi and Nicole M6.
I want make the best team for Jane doe too, is it worth to pull Caesar ? My preferred playstyle is to have better fluid and synergistic team comps and now i am confused who is the best last slot for jane doe team.
There is a flaw in this theory though. The core passive requirements prevents generalist units from shining in being flexible. And it isn't that Caesar's passive isn't flexible, but other team member's passives are, and they won't work with Caesar.
Already got Team 1 Ellen/Soukaku/Lycaon and Team 2 Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/M6 Nicole. I think theres no point of getting new character for me since I can clear everything easily even with no element advantage. Maybe if we will need a 3rd team in the future, I think I'm gonna save for now.
@@randommodnar103 same teams in use for me, hence why I skipped Jane. Though I see showcases of Janes numbers and now I have some regret lol. I did go for Caesar but only coz I like the SoC cast and am building a 3rd team of her, Piper and Lucy just for fun.
@@tomeetipee I should have saved with Jane, but I too saw the big numbers and wanted to get her XD. Now I'm just seeing whether or not to get Caesar, cause I really like Piper and making a biker gang sounds fun XD.
You could get burnice and later yanagi and play disorder... since you didn't got jane and see no need for caesar... elemental coverage is important in this game ngl
@@tomeetipee 70-80k assault on an average f2p build is more than fun it also easily clears content, now with caesar piper isnt even interrupted while spinning lol
@@1-hritayandebnath807 yeah that's true. I will do that.
Thank you so much for the video😊
I knew I wanted Caesar so pulled for her and got super lucky. I lost the 50/50 to Koleda but then pulled her in the next 10 pull (so 60 pulls total). I had some pulls saved over so i went for her wengine and lost the 75/25 to koleda's wengine, which is an ok substitute for now. and if i ever get a 5* defender wengine i can give the stun wengine to qingyi. Now i'm planning on saving my pulls until a limited 5* fire attack character comes out to pair with my koleda and ben, and will also go for their wengine now i have the guarantee. Already loving my Caesar. Even though she isn't fully geared out, she's already improved my Corin team, and it will only continue to improve once i've fully built Caesar and Rina after.
Sure, in time specialist units will take Caesar’s spot. But when that time comes all the old dps and stunners will be powercrept as well so her shelf life isn’t really shorter than others.
something I think is brilliant about this game is that there are no healers, and because there are no healers they can have content in the game that is about surviving like we already have, instead of dps checks. They have an opportunity to give defensive characters alot of viability.
zhongli shield in zzz. absolutely worth.
ambush mode is no joke.
As someone who already have a built jane and ellen, having a support to add on jane's team is a good buy. I can also add her in S11 team with lucy for more damage boost
Lighter hypercarry with Caesar and Lucy, TRUST
To this day im still regretting not pulling for aventurine in HSR specially with the amount of bosses that has nukes eg. Sunday, hoolay/feixiao, and fcking bug. I will never make the same mistake again. Less go ceasar!!! :D
Aventurine is the GOAT and I got him by accident and never regret!
But what if I have not enough polychromes? lol
I'm f2p and just pulled Jane and the coffers are bare af. lol
I lost my 50/50, so I’m going for Burnice now as I have Jane to compliment her. I love the anomaly playstyle so I might go for that new electric anomaly coming out too as I don’t have grace yet.
You forgot to mention that her W-Engine can be used on any defense char in the future. So i think it is safe to pull for
I got Caesar in 20 which I am super happy about and I aim to build a main team around her as i really enjoy her play style. So I switched to the weapon banner and lost the 75/25 (got Hellfire Gears) at more or less max pity... What should I do? Should I keep pulling for her W-Engine?
I am a 30-day sub + Battle Pass player, not a whale. I am torn because her sig W-Engine seems more essential than any other character.
you may increase her value by those Shiyu - ambush 's rotate
it will get harder and harder to dodge everything but we usually dont see more than 2 elite
She’s really valuable RIGHT NOW but it is true when teams get specialists she’ll probably get benched for that team BUT she can now be on other teams, also any team regardless of attribute can slot her in and still perform better than some A ranks.
I think overlooking caesar because of weapon choice is a bit of an oversight by some people. As a f2p player, i think he weapon is absolutely worth it to get if you pull her. I think it's going to extend her use for a long time. And if a shielder comes out who is better than her, it might be a good weapon for them as well. I pulled for Ellen, then Caesar and her weapon and I've still got enough for a 50/50 and more.
Right now she offers something no other character does, the uptime of not being interrupted. And if hoyo comes out with a character who benefits from being at low hp, she's going to pair extremely well with them.
My account lacks ice DPS or damage badly
If Miyabi isn't an ice attacker I feel like my lycaon is gonna sit on a shelf until ellen comes back around :(
Me too, only Soukaku is sad
Me with soukaku only 🧍♂️
Me on the other hand, I badly need ether dps (didn’t get zhu yuan).. thats the only element I cant cover on my line ups..
Too bad the only two Ether characters right now are Zhu Yuan and Nicole@@korosensei3590
Since I didn't pull Lycon, she's been a nice addition on my Ellen/Soukaku team.
I cleared the max level 12 of the new blitz mode as well as s rank the new shiyu defense with a max build jane doe, level 30 ceasar and seth. It was now too ez. And yes im f2p who got lucky rolls.
Caesar's buff are teally really good especially to those who are struggling on late game content. And if you're not good at timing your dodges, her shields make you near immortal
I didn't plan on getting Caesar. I just threw down 10 films to see if I could get Piper (the only A rank I don't have) just to have another person to talk to around the town.
But I ended up with Caesar instead.
I guess I will just build Caesar and wait till Obol squad. I'm not really interested in the next few characters. Gonna try using Ben and Caesar together...
I dont need her ,but after spending a few hours pressing Equipment and Skills in the character menu ... all that bounce convinced me to pull... with my left hand on the mouse
Based.
I managed to get her and her w-engine, she’s amazing but a bit hard to use, especially her parry mechanic but that’s on me not her, but she is an amazing stunner, she works amazing with my Zhu Yuan team and Soldier 11 team.
I think she always maintain some value with characters that have very long attacks. Ellen or corrin is an example to where they can get to their high dps combos without being hit out of
I'm actually running Lycaon's W-engine on her after losing the 75/25. Well, looks like Caesar will get that weapon whether it was a win on the 75/25 or not.
I think it's also a player skill issue. For instance, I really enjoy the game, but my dodges and counters are quite sloppy 😅 so smb like me greatly benefits from her shielding ability. Having her on the team means I can be a bit more relaxed with how I play instead of stressing out over end of the game content. Strangely enough, she makes a really great team with Seth. Put them together during story mode on accident and she bufffed him up into a very decent attacker 😂
her shield is so good. i don't have her wengine and she still core skill D and that's already enough to comfortably clear ambush node. i use piper-caesar-lucy in 1st half and zhu yuan-qingyi-nicole in 2nd half. i don't have issue dodging and perfect assist in 2nd half but the comfort caesar provide is insane.
My main issue with her is she feels a little bland gameplay wise especially after Jane and Qingyi. Honestly I wish I just saved for Bernice yanagi and lighter
She's the best character to have for a boss fight. Pawning level 60 boss with level 45
The only reason tempting me to pull her is her Absolutely satisfying parry and her Daze impact being actually good. Maybe I would invest her depending whether I win or lose my 50/50
Well, she'll always have the ability to enable comfy mode if nothing else. Has future potential as well due to her anti-interrupt. I'm gonna pass this time, maybe I'll try to get her on rerun if I feel like I need her.
I'm aiming for Burnice and thinking whether she can replace my S11 for fire team, bc in that case, I definitely don't need Caesar until a new shiny dps that need anti-interrupt arrives.
I'm content with 4 star supports for now.
Got her in 40 pulls, which is my best pull so far, so I'm definitely going for her Wengine. I couldn't decide at first to pull her or Burnice since I love Caesar playstyle/big buffer/stun but wanted to get a good disorder team going with Jane. But after the Yanagi and Lighter announcement plus not getting Qingyi it made it real easy to go for Caesar. I don't have Grace or any real electric dmg, don't want to invest into my Anton, and I just got solider 11 so I think I'm good on fire.
Nicole can down resistence or all elements like ceasar or give 1k of buff? Like ceasar do like 4 jobs at the same time
EoD is a Nicole glazer. A Nicole even at M6 doesn't provide the same level of utility as an M0 Caesar. Caesar will end up having the Kazuha effect from Genshin. Strong shield, anti interruption, huge debuffs and huge atk boost while being a hybrid stunner. ZZZ won't be releasing a character like this again for atleast a while.
@@Red07_25 indeed
Hey I love Nicole as a character, but damn she is mid af for anyone that is not Zhu Yuan (and future Ether she will be good with).
For non Ether all she does is 30% def shred which sounds good as a numbers but the problem is that she provides it for 3 minúscule seconds....
Then she provides the 4set disk buff of 18% more dmg or some, but any support can do that.
The only good two things she provides is grouping and the +15% crit rate (but needs M6 tho).
Imo Rinna is better than Nikki for everyone that is not Zhu Yuan.
Little but stun? If target is aggressive then she stuns faster than Qingyi or Lycaon or even Koleda... and also zzz is a parry and dodge focus game so enemies are bount to be aggressive so i dont see caesar's value any less than other stunners, also 25 percent damage buff abd highest attack buff with permanent uptime and nearly unbreakable shields when enemies have attacks that cant be parried this shield becomes a huge QOL...
@@1-hritayandebnath807 you forgot about the interruption resistance being a huge dps gain on dps like ellen who get majority of their dmg from their 3rd combo string
I pulled her right away, and she's amazing
she fits in all my teams, so much comfort with her, my account feels complete now this early in the game which is wild
So much so I already am going to skip 1.3 and 1.4, then see what comes after
the teams feel so comfy with her, if someone does buff more I would still pick ceasar just for now comfy she is in the team, and would allow me to do even more damage if I play really bad, which usually happens lol
1.4 should br Miyabi and the guy from squad 6
Man, why can't I see her buff on the stats page during battle? On a team of Caesar-Piper-Lucy, I only see crimson mane buff. Shield bar is up btw.
Jane is so easy to dodge with i don't need a shield, jane hits so hard i don't need it amplified, Ima skip
Seth is good enough for jane. He can buff her too
@Galahad-j8u if it can't be dodged, then it should be parryable? You mean it's harder to dodge? Cause i don't see why they'd put something like that in the game, doesn't seem like it'd work out that well. Even so Seth provides a good shield so its ok.
Also my jane is critting 3 mil per assualt, 4 mil during passion state and 5 mil with seth i'm chunking bosses i don't need ceasars buff.
@@pocalipse3408 I use both Seth and Caesar with Jane and she becomes insane lol
Funny I skipped Jane cause I didnt feel I needed her when already burst like a god with Zhu Yuan and clear fast with Ellen. I think it was a good decisión, Jane seems very good but not must pull, will get powercrept just as my other DPSs.
Then went for Ceasar to make my other obscure character viable and confortable like S11, Corin, Anton, Piper and Billy. Having a blast playing them A-Ranks with Ceasar atm.
@@chihaotran1568 m4 jane is just as inasane tbh
I would pull her anyway because the fact that she can block a tons of damage (the updated enemies right now are way more aggresive and they hit harder), universal buff and very flexible in a lot of team is way too enough for me. What you probably might want to invest more is the bangboo for the different teams you are going to use it with her.
Skill issue = pull
No skill issue = Miyabi
I pulled for caesar and not for her w-engine, just cleared the new shiyu defense, don't really feel like I'm missing out on anything tbh, plus you can kinda cope and say that the fact that she doesn't have any good alternatives is better actually cuz then you don't have to level up another w-engine just for her, which saves a lot of resources
EOD: small player
**Me knod unconsciously**
If HI3 thought me anything is that going DPS of the month isn’t in your best interest long term and you should build out your niche. At least in HI3 a well built team can perform outside of its niche.
Didn't plan on pulling for her before. Even more so after testing her.
I got the king, talk about a spook. Didn't think it would be possible after Jane but got lucky just after 30 pulls
Me, who already gotten Caesar and her engine: hmm interesting 🧐
I'm saving until I can get a none physical dps like burnice or yanagi. Not really worried over following the meta since I'm still having an easy time S ranking everything with just Billy/Nicole and Piper/Lucy.
She's a great help against those annoying bosses. Im looking at you blinking boss.
With no reason (right now) to get the next 3 characters, Caesar might be a nice fill for future teams.
dare i say i think she might be a skip for me but goodluck to those pulling
so she is like the adventurine of zenless?
I lost the 50/50 to S11. It sucks to skip her since she seems cool, but I'd rather guarantee burnice. Guess I'll start building s11/lucy for fire coverage on this new mode.
lol same. Got S11 C1 now but luckily got her 30 pulls later.
me who has dodge issue
yup i need her and i like her
There's another argument I think you missed that is also quite popular and that is that Caeser is an S rank defense character whereas we still don't have any limited 5 star S rank support character which could be considerably stronger and have far better support capabilities in terms of offensive utility.
Support characters from other hoyo games have completely broken the game and those characters have essentially been staples in every meta team since their release. Most notable in genshin would be kazuha who did release a year from initial release. Majority of other characters are sub/off-field DPS such as Yelan, Nahida, Furina aside from Archons maybe Kuki, Kokomi etc.. In HSR Fu-Xuan, Ruan Mei and now Aventurine and Robin could even include Topaz which has been a staple in follow up.
Someone calculated the amount of polychrome given in 1.1 which was around 13.1k. So being abit optimistic for future and rounding it up to 15k per patch, if there is around 8.5 patches per year that is roughly 127.5k polychrome per year. That is assuming you even play for a year straight which alot of people won't. Soft pity being around 75 pulls which is 12k. That means in a year you can get 10 characters and guarantee 5.
The fact that there are only 3 slots in every team actually really hurts her meta wise. Could potentially see the number of teams required go from 2 up to 3 which in that case the argument for her case is more reasonable. 3 teams means building 9 characters which is just one off the usual 8 required for other hoyo "abyss" like modes. The other hoyo games don't have 3 team modes, but building 9 characters compared to the usual 8 is not that unreasonable. I would say that this is her only argument though, at least for me.
I don't really need Caesar but since i want someone to support my Piper then i pulled for her. How about my Jane? I like Burnice but i'll gladly skip her since we should be getting another off field anomaly anytime soon.
can't help it, have to skip. Lighter is a must for me next patch.
What if we just get the w-engine for Ben?
What I fear the most is that they will make Shiyu defense become awful to clear without shielder like adding more health to enemies or make them attack interruptively so you can’t dodge as much to clear it in time. 😢
Just use , long duration animations, example Nicole spin move or Koleda jumping
burnice and caesar are good and will benefit me personally so im just gonna draw pull and see which one i get , if i got caesar im skipping burnice if i didnt get caesar well ill have enough for burnice
''would i skip?''
''Nah, I'd pull''
I pulled for her and won her after 89 pulls, my acc rn has M1R1 ellen, M0 jane, M1 rina, M0 grace and has all support role characters built and I'm thinking of saving up again (currently has 50 pulls left) for yanagi (to use her with jane) and if i somehow lost 50/50 on her I'll go for a guaranteed miyabi, is this a good plan??
You having Jane, i think Yanagi is the right choice. But still, wait for her confirmed kit so you can make a better decision. Based on the hype and CBT, you can't go wrong with Miyabi but anything can change when she arrives in the game officially so it's better to confirm Yanagi and Miyabi's kit before having a fix decision regarding them unless you don't care about their kit and really love the characters. Regarding Caesar, better pair her with your Ellen if you don't have Lyc. Well, Caesar perfectly works with everyone esp with dps agent. You just have to try it yourself which team comp is better
@@nagichwaan Yep yep I really do wanna look deeper into their kit so I can't go wrong on pulling for them but if I somehow lose it to Yanagi I think grace is a character i could build for Jane?? I just pulled for Caesar because I know she can fill many missing roles in the future especially this time that ZZZ has chosen to Powercreep those already existing standard S-ranks instead of filling up some untouched roles like ice defense or ether stunner, I'm also considering picking up Lycaon on the Standard Selector for Ellen(245/300)
@@MyriiTakka tbh, i don't really know bc i don't have Jane but base on the tutorials in yt and kit wise, you don't have to worry much about who will you pair with Jane as long as that agent is anomaly agent bc of her passive. Another reason is Jane requires much time on the field so you can use Grace that much that's why off field anomaly is much better. Lucy would be a great choice too for Jane and Seth comp bc of her off field damage buff and less time usage in the field.
@@nagichwaan Ohh I see that's why they're saying that Burnice will be good for Jane just because of her Off-field capabilities, alright alright thanks for the info I'll try using Lucy with her for the mean time
I think defense characters for this game are just for comfort, while in hsr you would definitely need one defensive/healing unit for most content, here is really negligible since is a skill based game
How much money do you spend
Yeah im just gonna full send for miyabi
Honestly you have to be brain dead to think she's not good.
She helps with straight up ignoring one of the most devasting mechanics in a game like this against your DPS and generally every character.
A powerful shield that scales with impact. Which makes her a puesdo great stunner.
1,Let alone, when you have the shield on ANY character. (Which can be triggered as easily as just breathing).
2.She gives them a crazy attack buff.
3.This attack buff being useful on every single DPS that will ever come out. Since you'll want to have that shield just to ignore knocback. And have guaranted damage for all your other characters.
Oh and don't forget. She has a passive ability that can work with any defensive assist in the game. It afflicts a debuff in a 7m radius that increases the damage they tack by 25% for 30 SECONDS!
Add all that in to a character. And look me in the fact and tell me how can anyone say she's 'bad' or let alone, be easily power crept.
It's impossible. Much like Zhongli post buff and Aventurine. She's a busted shielder.
Probably the only "Must pull". Cause I doubt they're gonna introduce another character with that shield exactly like hers.
She has the golden trinity of power creep immunity.
1. Crazy Buff support and deubff capabilites.
2. A shield that protects from damage and negates a core mechanic of the game.
3. and versatility to fit on any team due to her own passive abilities. Works great with any f2p team.
I would say she is the only "Must pull" in the game. I like Rina, Ellen is aight, Lycoan has been a major MVP as my first S rank, Qingyi is pretty damn good.....But I also like not getting knocked out of a combo and havin a near permenant damage buff against any enemy in the game.
Lycoan is my favorite character in the game. He's the reason i started and rerolled. But best believe if anyone ask me right now "Hey, gun to my head. Who's the one character you should reroll for, RIGHT NOW. 5 SECONDS!"
I'm saying Caeser.
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Edit: But if you can dodge, then sure skip. But even if you can dodge. You'd still have a crazy attack buff for your team and debuff on the enemies. So...more damage overall. probably the most f2p friendly unit. Since her buffs are universal. And she protects the team.
And what do we say in all games?
Arguably a buff to any account no matter the units. Throw on any team where your lacking a third and she'll fill the roll with buffs and defense. Her buff alone is better than most supports in the game atm.
Granted, there are anamoly teams. But by the time this character is 'powercrept'. I can almost bet a year or two would gone by. Since Zhongli hasn't been 'crept'.
Yes, if you want Burnice for Jane
I've lost my 50/50 for my first pull on the banner and got grace. Now that I think of it I have jane doe i guess I'll skip Caesar and go for Burnice so that I can have 3 anomaly teams
I was mega disappointed she wasn't voiced by Mordred's VA and just don't like SoC designs much except Lucy and... Pompey. Gimme Yanagi
Easy skip imo if you don’t have any issue with the content/want more difficulty. Nice design but would rather go for a counter based attacker in the future without shields
I don't know. My M2S1 Caesar buffs more than every M6 A-rank in the game and every M2 S-rank in the game. And that's just buffing. I'm not even taking into account her complete anti-interruption, 5k+ shield, and stunning. Seems pretty good to me.
Basically like a RM or Robin.
I'm skipping to get the whole Section 6. She's OP and all but getting her just so I can get a few more stars on Shiyu Defense? Nah... Just not worth unless you love the character
Caesar, with S11 and Koleda (all 3 with sig W-engine)
Never seen so many burns and stuns 🫠🫠
I lost both 50 50 in my account, 3rd one in a row and I probably uninstall, my account is so far behind without a second good team because of loosing 2 times in a row is disgusting
Love her character, but, I think I gotta skip. Sure she's an upgrade over several characters in several teams, but not by enough. I wish they'd have leaned more into the grouping and less into the shield. Dodging and managing attack windows is so much of the fun of the game, chasing down stray mobs with peashooters, not so much.
just pull and let the gods decide or do you fear your fate ?!