CHIP v Raspberry Pi Zero
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- This video compares the CHIP and Raspberry Pi Zero single board computers. I purchased the CHIP from the Next Thing Co in late 2016. In 2017 the CHIP was discontinued, and in March 2018 Next Thing Co entered bankrupty. So the CHIP is no longer available.
On the positive side, since this video was made an upgraded Raspberry Pi Zero W has been released, which I cover in a video here: • Pi Zero W & SBC Update
Weekly videos on other single board computers and a wide range of other computing-related topics can be found at: / explainingcomputers
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At least they have more ports than the new MacBook
And the CHIP has 3.5mm audio, which is more than a new iPhone does! :)
That moment when a 9 dollar micro PC is more advanced in technology than the newest 1000 dollar + shit from Apple.
***** No. I shit into their.
To be honest. I just don't want to buy overpriced shit that has old technology which is selled as "new". I don't want to buy things that make life "easier" but actually makes your life worse by takeing away any comfort.
If Apple would be honest... or no. If there were not so extremely many fanboys that takes all of the shit they are making to heaven, Apple would be a much better brand.
That is the opinnion I have about Apple.
Once, they were glory, once. Not today anymore. They died for me like Nintendo is dying right now.
The only Apple product I can afford is Apple Juice
I was waiting for someone to say that. Haha
3:25 actually, powering C.H.I.P. from a LiPO battery _was_ straightforward, as it had onboard power management to stabilize voltage and charge the battery. Awesome for a hobby project.
R.I.P. NTC
Way To Bring The Hits Every Sunday Chris! Another Great Video Man. It Was Very Interesting To See A Side By Side Comparison Like That. Well Done. This Will Provide Many Answers And Options For People New To These Devices Moving Forward......
Yes, great job once again. My whole family follows your videos. You do such a great job of explaining thoroughly.
Thanks to your whole family for watching! :)
Very nice comparison. Yeah, people complain about different softwares being tested, but this is great for comparing out of the box performance.
Exactly! :)
It held up to what I have seen in other videos. The cost comparison with accessories though is the best I have seen done on the 2 boards.
I got lucky and scored 2 zero boards. The kit plus a single board. You have to camp the sites hard as they sell fast.
Check Pimoroni's site. Zero is currently in stock: shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero
sorry it wasn't when i sent you the link
I just wanted to say that I really enjoy and appreciate your videos. Your lack of bias and dedication to fair comparison is exemplary. Thumbs up.
Many thanks.
What a time to be alive.
I dreamt of 256 bit credit card computers in 1969.
Now,you have it :).
Excellent! Didn't even know about the RasPi Zero, but just ordered one, although I struggled to find the board only! Ordered a Chip but still waiting for it as it was sold out. Just been notified it will be shipped this month. Really good narration voice and presentation by the way!
Thanks for doing these two videos on the CHIP! It was something I mentioned in the comments a while back :)
It too me some time to get hold of a CHIP. :)
Clear and easy to understand comparison. Very good stuff.
If you are a thrifty person many of the add-ons you need can be found at pound shops for the Pi Zero. A mouse, charger, hdmi adapter all found there.
i have resisted doing this for 6 ov your videos and i have to admit, you got me.... SUBSCRIBED!!
thumbs up!!
Excellent -- welcome aboard! :)
This channel very much deserves the 3/4 million subscribers it has- "good show" I say to it success.
I discovered your channel a few days ago, just wanted to tank you ! amazing channel :D
Many thanks. :)
I'm amazed how heartless all of you are! This man is dying! And no one says a word.
Great experience watching so tiny computers. Thanks................
Good vid! Informative with great production values.
I'm a big fan of CHIP, but I think this was a perfectly fair comparison overall.
another quality video! always insightful and on point.
Thank you for this, answered my question perfectly.
Excellent presentation!
EXCELLENT AND VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE .THANK YOU SO MUCH
KSM KSM
thank you for the very informative video, been wondering about the performance for a while now.
Seeing again is nice to see how things are getting better in this small device... I use the pi zero for teaching to deaf people with video lessons
Cool.
Great comparison. As a newbie, you info channel is an outstanding tool for me. Thanks!
The video playback comparison is tied into the "support" you mentioned near the end of the video, and said support may be the most important part of SoCs. Any SoC at the sub 50usd range will always crawl like the chip when doing video playback with gnome mplayer. At least with catch-all acceleration methods and drive stacks that come out with the operating system you use with it. Starting at the lowest level the Pis operating systems and hardware have been available to the public for far longer, so not only is there more of a mature understanding of it, you see things like Omxplayer more often. Omxplayer is what wins the Pi for video playback, it is an entire video player stack using the OpenMax api from Broadcom themselves to get the absolute best media play back possible from the Pi. The chip may one day have the same sort of support but unfortunately unless one person stumbles on some goldmine of performance in the chip to compete with things like Omxplayer, it is always going to be second fiddle to the Pi.
You might want to re look at this now :) Since the pi zero W has wifi and bluetooth built in ;)
and the price is closer togther now lol
Indeed, things keep moving on . . . :)
Amazing technology and awesome comparison. Subbed
Thanks for the sub! :)
Pi Zero W just came out a week or two ago and it adds the same WiFi and Bluetooth setup as the Pi 3 to the Pi Zero. Costs $10 instead of $5 but that should actually make it a lot more accessible since now they have room for profit.
Really surprised by the result of the video playback test! Did not expect that at all!
Bit of a shame that the Pi Zero does not have wi-fi and/or bluetooth on that board, though. It's just what it needed.
EDIT: I wonder how's the performance for data access speed on both of those devices.
good video but I really wish you had run the same browser and video player on each device. using different programs kind of negates the test in my mind. What default program the developers decided to use doesn't really have any bearing on raw performance. I think anyone who would be buying one of these would understand how to install a different program.
Yes I agree :)
not if another player shows something else. the chip is now unusable for
many, but if another free player is able to play it fine, it would
change the outcome. perhaps still slower than the pi which this was all
about, that's true. but it would still be a better test/video.
Do R/C! but if he did that, then it wouldn't be comparing the default hardware.
Thanks for the video. I love when I see new videos about SBCs. I love collecting and testing them. I would love to see chromium on an SBC.
Thanks for this -- and you see Chromium in this video. Since the launch of PIXEL, it has been the default browser on the Pi, and is now pre-installed in Raspbian. The LattePanda also happily runs Chrome or Chromium. :)
you should do a vid on the different "projects" you can do with the chip. you do a great job with the vids long time watcher and subscriber keep up with the work
Nice comparison! Also could you make a list of all the similar single board computers available so far?
What a great video ! I'll go with Chip + DIP. You could use a flashusb for added RAM for chip (like old winxp netbooks used for extra RAM) so 6gb basically =) I'll just use my 2k downconverted or 1080i to vcd/mpeg1 video files to play on CHIP !
Great review, IMO. Thank you.
thanks for these videos. Very helpful
well it had to happen some time i guess
36 years old , internet / youtube about 20+ years
first thing that's interesting on this crap site
very nice structured videos , good explanation
thanks man , keep it up
Thanks! :)
how about in one of the next videos one of the bench test i think it would be a great idea to test them in light gaming or arcade cabin emulator
the pi is a lot better option for me. i have a wifi dongle, an hdmi to normal hdmi cable, a usb hub and a powersupply. i use (a full size) pi as a media center for my living room. i also overclocked it with no problem whatsoever. but the most important for me is the on-board decoder that makes the video playback perfectly buttery smooth.
Ordered a chip years ago after watching your review, never ever got to try it.... Ordered the pi zero w last Thursday and it should be here tomorrow, hope it's more fun that the chip would have been heh...
The Pi Zero W is cool -- enyou it! Sorry the CHIP did not arrive. :(
Excellent video, Christopher. I like the neutral point of view presented, because both boards have advantages and disadvantages, and of course it is up to the user to decide which will be better to meet their need.
I would have thought the use for these would be to be built into other projects, for control or telemetry, as a kind of super form of embedded device, so I would tend to downplay the necessity of using a monitor, and for this reason I would prefer the Pi Zero as it comes with the option of either soldering header pins on if needed, or directly soldering wires onto the board itself for a better long term connection, which is how I would like to construct a project myself.
hi chris love your videos ....keep up the great job .....!!!! i'm new to single board computer...is it possible to make clusters with each of those two boards, if yes how many is it possible to stacks together ?? thank you
Thanks for the comparison video, thumbs up and subbed. I would run the chip as a headless server and point boot to root stored on a 16 GB USB stick. So for my purpose the chip looks like the best deal.
If you put the DIP on the Chip all the GPIO pins will be occupied just to have a HDMI output. On the PI you can still use the GPIO pins and have a HDMI output.
They should've made something else for the Chips so that you can still use the GPIO pins + have a HDMI output.
You could still use pins if you put DIP on the CHIP. You have GPIO solder points on the DIP where you could solder GPIO headers :) Look more carefully: docs.getchip.com/images/hdmi_callout.jpg
Great comparison.
Thanks
Well done as usual!
I'm sure you're aware by now that the PI 0 (W) comes with WIFI and BT as standard. Great video thanks
Firefox vs. Chromium, found your issue.
Emilispk yes good point
agreed
ErPAkka Yes. New versions of Raspbian come with Chromium browser pre-installed. Raspbian used to have a more bare bones browser before the Pixel update. I'm not too sure why they decided something as heavy as Chromium was a good idea for a SBC...
The pi was waiting for the built in Adblocker. Look at the bottom left.
also usb wifi can be worse
I have to agree the Pi has the edge. Its on-board HDMI and user selective memory capacity are key features. The CHIPs slow video playback is more than a little disturbing and a game ender if it cannot be overcome. The price of both devices is getting up there once you add on necessary accessories... which make one wonder about simply going with a full size Pi over the Zero. Excellent video as always.
Top review! thanks
I think they're planning on releasing on upgraded model of the chip soon. I want one! :]
Another great video
Perhaps a more accurate comparison might now be between a CHIP and a Raspberry Pi zero-W which has a built in bluetooth and 802.11(something) wi-fi card - it's closer to $10, but brings more functionality onboard. The "vanilla" Zero is perhaps closer in concept to the "thinking person's Arduino" - it's primarily intended as a "maker" board which *happens* to run a version of Linux, than a fully-functional desktop alternative.
And to be "balanced" - the Rpi needs you to set up the Micro-SD card on a conventional computer, or buy one preloaded with Raspian
Still, an interesting comparison
True -- but the Pi Zero W had not been released when this video was made! :)
On the Launch browser & page load-test, you can see in the bottom left of the Raspberry browser that it's the uBlock extension that's causing most of the extra time spent in rendering the page, while I'm not sure the C.H.I.P even had that extension.
Still, neither of these computers are really meant for browsing or even windowed environments in general no matter what the marketing is telling us.
Well, you've changed my mind about the CHIP. Another great video tutorial. Thank you for posting this video. I'll stick with my PI 3 for the wife's next computer.
You cannot go far wrong with a Raspberry Pi 3. :)
Thank you, Chris, for all your video tutorials. I'm learning a lot!
I'd be interested to know if the 3D update that was released recently for the chip (that amazingly allows to run Quake 3 flawlessly) will reflect in proper video reproduction
Its worth noting that the availability of the raspberry pi and the chip are vastly different.
I have only ever seen the chip shipping from the nextthing site whereas the raspberry pi is sold on a multitude of electronics websites.
Also the chip shipping costs for the UK are extortionate, but it is coming from Australia so ho hum.
To be honest I'd use neither of these for desktop computing, I do have a Zero which I am planning to try some projects with and I'm going to get a Chip just because they are cheap, by the time you buy all the peripherals you'd be better with a PI 3 model B with 4 USB Ports, Wifi, Bluetooth, Quadcore, 1 Gb ram, Ethernet, HDMI all for around the $40 mark.
These sorts of mini computers are good for personal security programming small projects ect. There are many more places you can cram a chip or pi zero than a full on Pi3
These are for other purposes than desktop experiences. For example, I run one as a weather station logger.
Chris, you might want to do a video about thin client computing, meaning using a low power computer to access a remote server to do work, like I'm doing right now. I use a Windows 10 OS in a virtual machine on a Linux server in France, and accessing it from Linux Mint using Remmina RDP client. I use a low power laptop with a 4W Intel Celeron N3160 CPU and 4GB RAM and a 32GB eMMC storage.
i love your videos. i also like the sound track :)
Thanks!
omxplayer has always been the superior video player in my opinion, for low-end computers
it completely bypasses desktop environment which makes it MUCH faster, and capable of being run from a command-line only interface (obviously not through ssh or such, but CLI through hdmi)
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
I wonder if the video playback is more of a driver issue or built in decoder issue. Sucks but sometimes with low power devices you will have to convert or download videos with codecs that are supported by your onboard decoder :)
Firefox and Chrome seem to load the webpage quite differently. Is that the case? Do the browsers themselves pick which parts of a webpage to load in what order?
I'm wondering if the HDMI adaptor on the chip computer was causing the slow browser video playback, was the performance the same out of the composite video? Academic as chip went bust
I was curious about the audio output quality and found in the datasheet that the Allwinner SoC has an integrated 24-Bit audio peripheral. For me that would be a huge advantage over the Zero, but now I'm confused why they don't lose a word about the audio in the documentation. Neither the wiki nor the datasheet specify the sampling rate, output impedance etc.
Another great video Chris. Thanks for the comparison. I'd like to see what kind of electronics/IoT stuff the Chip can do, versus the Pi, seeing as its got twice the gpio pins. Also, is there a pass through method on the Chip when using the HDMI card, or is there some other work around? Thanks again for a great channel.
Thanks Steve. The CHIP has more header pins, but most pins are for an LCD display and the HDMI or VGA DIPS -- there are, I think, only 8 dedicated XIO (GPIO) pins. With the HDMI or VGA DIP connected, there are solder pads to which pins can be connected to access these and a few other pins (like power) -- so yes, there is pass through.
How to connect the RSPBY board with the ARDWINO drives with the step in the CNC?
another great video
I would love to see you review the odroid xu4. I'm interested in it as a desktop computer that uses ubuntu mate.
CHIP came-up to me with short 3.5mm to phono AV lead, so I will not add this cost.
But fairly price scope and computing power is quite similar.
Real deal with CHIP is on-board communication, storage and lipo connector, making it very small and compact computer, ideal for drones or robots :)
However, the killer punch is from RPi with community support. In my opinion the most important thing in DYI IoT devices.
BTW: Serious programming is done via remote desktop/SSH, not on board, best wo. xwindow started ;)
I prefer the zero w out of both these. The sd card support and hdmi support is great and you don't have to buy that silly wifi adapter. It's my favorite SBC by far.
I think the software comparison would have been more fair if the tests were run using the same applications, I mean, to be fair, that the actual conclusions here fit the question "what default software run better on each device" instead of "what device is faster/better"
The PiZero says "Waiting for extension UBlock origin" which is an adblocker extension.
I prefer the minimalism of the Pi Zero, especially not having internal storage. I like all that modular.
as a PAL dweller, I'll wait for the C.H.I.P. 2 with HDMI. It's just not viable for me without. I'll have no way of setting it up.
I'm surprised you have a problem being able to see NTSC on a modern TV. We in New Zealand use PAL also, but I have not seen a TV sold here that was made in the last 17 years that could not also handle RF or composite signals from all 3 systems of PAL, NTSC and SECAM. All the flat screens I have seen handle all 3 types. The old Sharp CRT TV I used to have with a built in VHS video recorder made in the mid-90s was also able to handle NTSC fine and actually also played NTSC VHS tapes from the US as well as local PAL ones. I normally had to manually select the color format though as by default it used the Japanese NTSC colour format that although almost identical to the US NTSC format has a different colour signal I think was 180 degrees out of phase to the US version.
Memory Access Time
- how much of a factor is memory access time? I have been surprised at how slowly laptops run SDs and microSDs when plugged into the SD slot, even when the storage chips themselves are fast. UHS cards running on USB3 via an appropriate adapter can be several times as fast as the same cards shoved into the SD slot.
Have you updated videos releated with SDR?
Just saw a presentation about this thing embedded into the PocketCHIP case. By the time you make the "cheap" computer runnable, it is at least 3 times the cost of Pi3, about 10 times the price of a Pi0 with about the same speed if you want HDMI. 1/4 the speed of a 3B for more money. I guess it has a market niche but I am straining to understand it. The flash that has to be bought tends to level the pricing just a little but, as you say, not changable on CHIP. Limited selection of environments, too.
As always, an excellent, informative presentation.
One update, the Pi0W is out now so $5 extra for the Pi side of the tally. As of May 3, 2018 the CHIP is not available. They claim they will return. I suspect their production run was completely subscribed and they have to go back to the fab to get some more made up. Will see what it looks like next round.
As you say, Pi Zero W is now a far better bet. And the CHIP is no longer available . . .
excellent videos. How can I order these hardware? I mean, through the internet which is the best way to do it, I guess?
when it comes to the pi zero, some flagship phones (like the GS7) include a USB OTG adapter, so sometimes you don't have to buy an adapter
Ah, true.
The Chromium starts to wait for uBlock Origin adblock extension from 26.5 seconds. What if we also install adblock on Firefox? Does it run faster on the CHIP?
The CHIP has one huge advantage and that's the ongoing availability by the manufacturer.
While the RPi Zero is great when it comes to function as it should, the company behind unfortunately decided to set this thing on a limited production.
That's also why prices for the board are also almost as high as those for the typical Pi2 and Pi3 boards.
This is true, although both the CHIP and Pi Zero are hard to get hold of. It took me six months to get a CHIP after the order, and I see that are now out of stock until "Q1 2017". In a way this is good -- it indicates demand -- but I think the margins in these boards make their supply problematic for any company.
Great video, a long time ago now, I was thinking a raspberry pi zero vs banana pi m2 zero might be interesting.
And I have that very Banana Pi M2 in a box waiting to be featured on this channel! :)
@@ExplainingComputers that is fantastic, I bought one of these just the other day, I look forward to your video.
Good comparison video... Bu what about the Heat generated on Chip & Raspberry Pi ? Could you help with this. Thank you!
Neither of these SBCs get very warm -- both are very lower power.
can you make a video on how to solder the composite video jack to a raspberry pi 0 w
what about the pi zero model w which is the same as the one you are using in this comparison, but with WiFi and bluetooth
The Raspberry Pi in all of its raspberry goodness.
Thanks for the video, I'm glad you showed that the price of the device itself is not the whole story.
On the browser test, the reason the pi was delayed loading youtube, you can see it was loading data for the 'uBlock Origin' extension which is quite a slow add-on in my experience, so test it again with that disabled and the pi will probably win
Having said that, your tests kind of miss the point of these devices. They are designed for hobby uses or for robotics (as 2 examples), where you set the thing up and then run it standalone, with no need for a screen output or for keyboards and mice etc. If you want a 'Computing device' then the full size pi or equivalent is much better value and more practical.
Is the CHIP actually available yet? Their UK site says out of stock, delivery Q1 2017. Bob
The CHiP includes a battery charging circuit doesn't it? So you can solder on a LiPo and use it out and about. Then again there are plenty of 5V battery packs that connect via USB, and they include a charger circuit. The newer Pi Zero (v1.2) introduced a mini sized camera port. You did a fair review I think... clearly not biased one way or the other.
Thanks for this. And yes, the CHIP has a battery charging circuit as you say, so you can plug in or solder a LiPo.
Where i can buy this pleezz lmk what's the easiest way to buy the Shannon have windows installed is it already installed or would it be easier because from what I understand Lennox is free and available to download so I would be able to install that on to the check if it doesn't have OS
Is the C.H.I.P you tested the video on running the newer C.H.I.P OS with hardware acceleration?
Yes, it is running the latest OS (downloaded and flashed early January 2017).
I have to say for embedded systems I prefer the Pi. I don't need HDMI or networking, or even Bluetooth. I just need the GPIO Pins.
And a big advantage of the pi is: I plug in a SD card with my software, solder some wires on, and it works.
There's a slight mistake with the ports description on the chip, the micro USB port is also an otg port that can provide serial connection to the chip, which is a huge advantage in my use case, I'm a programmer and I'm using the chip as portable programming device and I'm connecting it through one USB port directly to the pc and I can.program at my regular environment without the need to configure everything from scratch every time I'm at new place and the greatest thing about it that's it cross platform I can even use it on winxp and the pi0 from the other hand can be set as ethernet gadget but it requires different settings on different machines plus there no WiFi
Community support is probably the most important part for me. Without community support I would have never bough my Pies.
note: I saw you say that some 64Gb cards work on the Pi in fat32. I have formatted my 64Gig and even 128Gb cards with the special formatter (for noobs) and they all work great (I have about 8 Pies that I manage and or own - i lost count)
Thanks for this -- great to hear that 128GB cards work. I've never had one that size to try in a Pi! :)
It now contains a webpage with nightly compiles - over time the archive has become quite big.
They where on sale during black Friday ($32,-) I just had to buy one.
www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDXC-Standard-Packaging-SDSQUNC-128G-GN6MA/dp/B010Q57S62/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485204251&sr=8-2&keywords=128gb+sandisk
finally well done
I wonder if you could connect them together for a simple server system?