"That's a nice church, but why did they build it right next to the station?" - apocryphal comment of an American tourist upon first seeing Cologne Cathedral
You know as silly as it sounds this seems like just the project for late 19th Century civil engineers. It isn’t that big of a river the grand scheme of things, and it isn’t like London gets terribly worked up over making a river disappear.
Chris Hemsworth is not the only star of the screen featured. If you look closely, you can see the reflection of Tom Baker as Doctor Who walking past at 0:27
@@bobfountain2959 - You might not like David Cameron, I have at best, mixed feelings about him and his policies myself. He really f***ed up at the end and his recently exposed shenanigans leave a lot to be desired, even HE admits that. BUT please have a go at him and please don't insult his children. And he didn't ABANDON her when she was 8, she got left behind at a pub by mistake, not the same thing at all.
@@RogersRamblings - no, kids do all sorts of irrational things sometimes, in some cases despite the best efforts of their parents or other carers and in other cases because of those efforts. I was referring to calling her a pig's head. Was that meant to be an insult or am I missing some metaphorical reference?
David Cameron, I believe, although his daughter (for it was she) was actually eight at the time rather than nine. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18391663 Odd to think Nancy is now a young lady of 17 years. Where does the time go?
Not sure if that was one of your famous jokes, but personally as a non-London-native the map really helped and I wish you'd use one more often. I have no idea where all these St. Paddington's and Chapman Junction's and Greenwich Village's are in relation to one another.
Excellent! I expect TFL make plenty of money from the old Charing Cross station from filming. Incidentally, my wife threatened to leave me after I pointed out in the middle of the film that you can’t get a train from Charing Cross direct to Greenwich and so Thor would have got lost... us pedants get everywhere!
I like to see maps in videos as it helps to visually reference what you are talking about, a good way of doing them is done by Geoff if a compromise is needed.
I'm sure in some transport planning office, some transport planner regularly gets the Charing Cross maps and tube line plans out of the filing cabinets, blows the dust off, and spends a while wondering how on earth they can use the old Charing Cross Jubilee Line station. After an hour and a half riffling through the plans for some ancient tube line plan from Wimbledon/Putney/Chelsea/Victoria through Charing Cross to Aldwych/Ludgate Circus/Fenchurch Street and points east, a deep sigh emanates, the documents are placed back into the files, and the planner goes off in search of some tea.
Pete Smith. Anyone younger than about 50 probably won't know the origin of Jago's greeting, if indeed Jago himself knows it, although I can't believe he isn't using it deliberately. From 1955 to 1970 sometime, there was a television police drama series called "Dixon of Dock Green" starring (in all that time! - He got very old during the run) Jack Warner as Constable George Dixon of Dock Green nick. After the signature tune and a shot of the type of blue lamp that traditionally marked the entrance to a police station, the opening would be Dixon saluting the audience and saying; "Evenin' all" before outlining that week's theme. PS: I too love maps and I also loved someone's comment that we would be lost without them - brilliant!
@@rogerwhittle2078 I believe the blue lamp they used was on the front of the old Ealing police station on Ealing Green. It is very close to the entrance of Ealing Studios, so perhaps the programme was filmed there?!?
@@rogerwhittle2078 I remember Dixon of Dock Green still being shown on BBC1 early on Saturday evenings in the early 70s,I'm pretty sure as far even 1973-74-75. It would be after Grandstand and the football results,the news and Dr Who time,with typically the Generation Game coming on after it.
There is a very long section of tunnel beyond Charing Cross, we call it the " over run". It can easily fit two 7 car trains and there's still quite a distance after that. Also at North Greenwich ( east end of the platform) there are the starts of where the Jubilee would have split with trains running towards Thamemead from the "middle" platform. Legend has it that the tunnel boring machines are still down there behind the concrete.
Charing Cross - Strand (Aldwych) - Bankside - London Bridge - Thamesmead would still be a useful Link given the eternity of a bus to get from the appolllo theatre to trafalgar square nowdays.
An important factor in getting approval for the line was to get MP's votes, which was hard work. Putting the line under Westminster allowed for a brand new ofice block above it just perfect for MP's offices, which is where a lot of them are now, and sealed approval from Parliament, in the opinion of many. And also...maps are essential. Keep up the good work.
I know of 2 doctors who abandoned a six year old and a baby whilst out on the booze with their rich friends in Portugal. Girls still missing. What kind of monsters indeed.
Of course, as any true pedant knows, the correct term is reverse curve. Pendants of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your friends and family.... Thanks JH.
You would be amazed at how many Londoners have the same grasp , every time tube service suspended they are wandering around like lost souls in the daylight
Thank you very much for your "Tales from the Tube"; I really enjoy them. I particularly appreciated it when you show the routes on a nice clear map as you have in this video.
There have been proposals to extend the DLR West from Bank and terminate at the old Charing Cross Jubilee Line platforms. Would require a lot of work though as the tunnels would need to be completely re bored as they are too narrow for those trains.
I always wondered why they mothballed Charing Cross. Makes total sense now I see how bendy it would have been. It would have made it a much less desirable option to travel from Waterloo than it is now.
I was amazed when I realised how little Tube coverage there is south of the river. By the way,my best friend at school claimed to have the honour of being the first child to travel on the Jubilee Line when it opened. From the general public that is,I'm not sure if any non-adult member of the Royal Family got on there first.
I mean, they could always have kept it and run a partial service to Charing Cross and a partial service over the extension (or even a full service over the extension if they snuck in some terminating platforms somewhere like Waterloo)
Another great video. I used to be a guard on the Bakerloo & Jubilee Lines and have worked into CX Jubilee. The lines extended way beyond the station at Charing Cross, if there was no crew relief at Baker Street northbound a train would be put away into either of the sidings there. Originally the crew would be gone for 20 plus minutes as the tunnels went so far along the Strand, all the way to Aldwych we assumed, as that was the line of the proposed extension. In fact i wonder how far the lines did go, as when the tracks ended the tunnels kept going! When LT built over Mansion House a report stated they used "service tunnels" to to lay foundations from underneth....Interesting as that was also the line of the proposed extension.......LT seemed to spend an awful long time building a few miles of new tube line, almost as long as it took to build the whole of the Victoria Line! Did they perhaps keep going beyond Charing Cross with the expectation of the extension being authorised?......And then be able to open ahead of the planned extension opening date as a fair chunk would have already been built?......It would certainly make up for the late opening of the Jubilee Line!
Very informative, thanks! Also, please don't stop the maps! Particularly those with the amusing subtitles ;-) Finally.. thanks for the intel on where Thor the Dark World was shot, boarding the tube at least. It will never cease to amuse me that the place he "alighted the tube" was actually the underground toilets at entrance to Greenwich Park.. :P I was living the opposite side of the Thames when that was being shot, so fond memories!
I do wish you included more maps to be able to understand the locations you are describing. Your videoas are always interesting but for those of us not quite so familiar with every street in London, putting the locations in context would be very helpful.
I really like being on the top deck of a double decker bus,with the view of everything you get. I stayed in Hong Kong several times and they had lots of double deckers going up and down main shopping thoroughfares like the Nathan Road in Kowloon. The top decks were always very popular. Being on a packed bendy bus doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.
Being on the old Bakerloo Stanmore branch , and then the Jubilee line (so called as it did open in Jubllee year 1977) Charing + east no great loss , as we always had to change at Baker Street or Finchley Rd to get anywhere. The first Jubilee carriages can now be seen at Shoreditch , covered with tasteful graffiti , atop of an old bit of isolated viaduct , if you happen have a ladder. We're still awaiting a lift to access the West Hampstead Jubllee island plat
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 I did binge watch all his videos and commented on them. Then I lost it all when TH-cam banned me by mistake. I'll have to go and have a look. Cheers.
The extension had only been open for a year when I started commuting from Wembley Park to Waterloo… those new stations with the platform side sliding doors was all very modern and fancy.
The map comment is extra funny after the Jay Foreman video in which Jago plays Harry Beck. Sometimes missing an episode when it comes out is a good thing.
Just after it was closed I got to go on the Charing Cross station as an extra in the film ‘Intimacy’ I got to push past Mark Rylance. This was the first film to use that station after it was abandoned, although it was also the first real sex film passed by the BBFC for exhibition in cinemas, which kind of overshadows the use of the station.
Round of applause from me for getting St Katherine Docks right. If you ever do a video on the St John Ambulance I’m sure you’ll get that right too, and may be even the chorus of Rule Britannia.
I'm glad they avoided the silliness of the twisted line here - especially important for Jubilee line, as it is already twisted and curved in the earlier section at Baker Street where it (north-south line) had to be cross-platform with Bakerloo (east-west line) and as a result it has massive curves (Jubilee essentially passes Bond Street - Regent's Park - Baker Street - Marylebone - St. John's Wood instead of a direct route, adding a couple of minutes to the journey time).
At 0:29 seconds it shows a reflection of Tom Baker's Dr Who, weirdly the Jubilee line at Waterloo does look like the Tardis as you walk through the passage ways
@@petemo2266 Argh! I was visiting up near Amersham recently and there seem to be massive works everywhere. Hope you are not too badly affected. Have great day (despite the weather..:-(...)
I'd like you to do a short video about the extra bendy bit of the Northern Line approaching Bank Station, along with the perceived need to dig tubes that followed the streets above, the way the cut and cover were by necessity
There’s nowt wrong with a map. Apart from inaccurate or rubbish ones. But that was very useful and actually helps explain rather a lot, especially those of us who remember the original Fleet Line proposals and were wondering why on Earth they abandoned such a new tube station 🤔 I suppose the thing is that at one point in the future, there probably will be a need for it (maybe just to Aldwych and Fenchurch St to ease capacity or something...I dunno, I’m a muppet 🤷🏻♂️) though I believe they do use it for staff training and turning south bound trains when it isn’t busy being touched up and pampered for its next starring rôle 😜 I am glad that the proposal was dropped. I think you would have literally been quicker getting off and walking to Waterloo over the bridge via the Festival Hall than catch the Jube 🤣😂😅 Thank you sir, weekend made already 👍🍻😎
I don't understand for the life of me, why people would complain about you drawing maps? There's literally no way of successfully showing the route... Without doing so?! They're simple, helpful and clear in explaining the proposal. What can possibly be people's problem with that?!
I’m glad those sharp turns weren’t built. The Jubilee is loud enough, having those sharp turns would necessitate having noise cancelling earphones, not that they’re already needed…
Maps are great - I can see why the s- curve via temple would have been daft, but what was the problem with a direct route from CX to Waterloo - just a few hundred yards and only one more gentle curve..? Too near Hungerford bridge foundations maybe. Personally I go with the MPs private railway entrance argument.
I love the maps, it helps visualise things. Even just circling locations or whatever would help visualise things for people not local to London (like myself, although I am getting to know it better since my gf lives near Heathrow)
Ashley Rabat seems to love doing maps. Why not do a joint venture with him? Just think if you and all the other TH-cam London Transport greats got together to make a long documentary it'd be fantastic.
I thought that in order to approve the funding for the Jubilee Line extension, MPs insisted that it went via Westminster thus helping to fund the construction of Portcullis House: the Jubilee Line bit of the expanded station being part of the same structure.
That map showing the crazy curve required to get from Charing Cross to Waterloo was very useful, as unlike the Bakerloo Line which does that journey, the platforms at Charing Cross are facing in the wrong direction. The Jubilee Line extension was also originally going to stay north of the river after Canary Wharf, thus stopping at Blackwall instead of North Greenwich, until British Gas made a contribution. Without that change, there would be no Millennium Dome or O2 Arena on the Greenwich peninsula.
I'd like to see it extended to meet the DLR in one direction and in the other tunnel out to Yeading Lane via Shepherd's Bush which was a planned tube route in the 1949 (?) plan.
As not londoner I like the maps - it helps me to get a understanding where things are :) Plus wasn't there an option to have/keep Charring Cross as a branch? Like Northern Line has many branches?
a branch for one station only would probably be a bit redundant and unnecessary and charing cross was already being served by the bakerloo and northern lines
The only thing that could make this channel more enjoyable is more maps! I love visual aide! I don’t like in the UK so I don’t half the places you talk about lol.
Hhmm....they should have built a Northern Line style dual route, with one section going via Charing Cross and the City and the other on the current route, uniting at London Bridge. The map is useful. Maps are ALWAYS useful.
Who are these monsters who dislike maps? Maps are great! More maps!
Map nerd here.
We want maps! We want maps! We want maps! 📣
And pointless captions to read... 😁
Yes. Maps. More of them. Please.
Map men map men map map map men men men
men.
Hear! Hear! Maps are brilliant.
Putting that big river in the middle of London has really played havoc with the tubes.
"That's a nice church, but why did they build it right next to the station?" - apocryphal comment of an American tourist upon first seeing Cologne Cathedral
Bloody town planners
@@ospero7681 Was that the same apocryphal American who thought that Stratford International would be handy for Anne Hathaway's Cottage?
@@trickygoose2 Clearly, he did not consult a map.
You know as silly as it sounds this seems like just the project for late 19th Century civil engineers. It isn’t that big of a river the grand scheme of things, and it isn’t like London gets terribly worked up over making a river disappear.
The references to _that_ Thor: The Dark World nonsense were much appreciated!
Also, appropriate use of a map; some of us at least love to see it.
Chris Hemsworth is not the only star of the screen featured. If you look closely, you can see the reflection of Tom Baker as Doctor Who walking past at 0:27
I'm sad to relate that I'VE never bumped into Thor on the Tube. 😞 Such a shame too. He's a very pretty demi-god. 😁
@@Dave_Sisson Also, the chevron tape on the sliding doors kinda looks like TB's trademark scarf...
@@clintonepps3666 Also used for 7 days by Craig (David)...
Jago: "What kind of monster abandons a 9-year-old?"
David Cameron: "Actually, she was 8"
@@bobfountain2959 - You might not like David Cameron, I have at best, mixed feelings about him and his policies myself. He really f***ed up at the end and his recently exposed shenanigans leave a lot to be desired, even HE admits that. BUT please have a go at him and please don't insult his children. And he didn't ABANDON her when she was 8, she got left behind at a pub by mistake, not the same thing at all.
@@brian9731 Can we be certain that Cameron junior was not making an escape bid?
@@RogersRamblings - no, kids do all sorts of irrational things sometimes, in some cases despite the best efforts of their parents or other carers and in other cases because of those efforts. I was referring to calling her a pig's head. Was that meant to be an insult or am I missing some metaphorical reference?
@@brian9731 I don't know about the "pig's head" reference but my comment was in humour as I suspect other's were.
@@brian9731 no one was insulting his children.
“What monster abandons a 9 year old?” 😂🤦🏼♂️😬 also more maps please
Maps? What maps
David Cameron, I believe, although his daughter (for it was she) was actually eight at the time rather than nine.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18391663
Odd to think Nancy is now a young lady of 17 years. Where does the time go?
@@adonaiyah2196any maps I think he means
Bakerloo: check out the curves on my route
Jago's map: hold my beer
Paris Metro: hold my bière
Not sure if that was one of your famous jokes, but personally as a non-London-native the map really helped and I wish you'd use one more often. I have no idea where all these St. Paddington's and Chapman Junction's and Greenwich Village's are in relation to one another.
They’re West, (Paddington). South West, (Clapham Junction). South East, (Greenwich). Hope that helps 😉
@@edwardoleyba3075 Greenwich Village is in New York
@@highpath4776 . Not this Greenwich - it’s a suburb in the South East of London - not the Greenwich Village in NYC.
@@edwardoleyba3075 You can tell them apart because one of them has got a trendy market.
My wife is always confusing Paddington with St Pancras (and vice versa) so ‘St. Paddington’ really struck a chord!
Excellent! I expect TFL make plenty of money from the old Charing Cross station from filming.
Incidentally, my wife threatened to leave me after I pointed out in the middle of the film that you can’t get a train from Charing Cross direct to Greenwich and so Thor would have got lost... us pedants get everywhere!
🤔 Indeed. May I join you, as a fellow pedant or ‘accuratist’? ’
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat - you would be most welcome!
lets say its set in a pararell universe tuesdays to fridays.
But, he is Thor
I was hoping for the DLR to use that station via Aldwych.
I appreciate the map jago!
I like to see maps in videos as it helps to visually reference what you are talking about, a good way of doing them is done by Geoff if a compromise is needed.
Dude I love your maps. There's nothing like a visual explanation to help make sense of the verbal one.
Map nerd here. More of them, please. Thank you. Oh, nice video, by the way.
I'm sure in some transport planning office, some transport planner regularly gets the Charing Cross maps and tube line plans out of the filing cabinets, blows the dust off, and spends a while wondering how on earth they can use the old Charing Cross Jubilee Line station.
After an hour and a half riffling through the plans for some ancient tube line plan from Wimbledon/Putney/Chelsea/Victoria through Charing Cross to Aldwych/Ludgate Circus/Fenchurch Street and points east, a deep sigh emanates, the documents are placed back into the files, and the planner goes off in search of some tea.
The lucky one, when tea is still enough for him.
I think there have been a few proposals for it. Maybe I should look into those...
Jago: "Evening all"
Me, watching this at 08:11 am: "er...."
I think this is addressed at 0:55
It's 18.15 here.
Pete Smith. Anyone younger than about 50 probably won't know the origin of Jago's greeting, if indeed Jago himself knows it, although I can't believe he isn't using it deliberately.
From 1955 to 1970 sometime, there was a television police drama series called "Dixon of Dock Green" starring (in all that time! - He got very old during the run) Jack Warner as Constable George Dixon of Dock Green nick. After the signature tune and a shot of the type of blue lamp that traditionally marked the entrance to a police station, the opening would be Dixon saluting the audience and saying; "Evenin' all" before outlining that week's theme.
PS: I too love maps and I also loved someone's comment that we would be lost without them - brilliant!
@@rogerwhittle2078 I believe the blue lamp they used was on the front of the old Ealing police station on Ealing Green.
It is very close to the entrance of Ealing Studios, so perhaps the programme was filmed there?!?
@@rogerwhittle2078 I remember Dixon of Dock Green still being shown on BBC1 early on Saturday evenings in the early 70s,I'm pretty sure as far even 1973-74-75. It would be after Grandstand and the football results,the news and Dr Who time,with typically the Generation Game coming on after it.
There is a very long section of tunnel beyond Charing Cross, we call it the " over run". It can easily fit two 7 car trains and there's still quite a distance after that. Also at North Greenwich ( east end of the platform) there are the starts of where the Jubilee would have split with trains running towards Thamemead from the "middle" platform. Legend has it that the tunnel boring machines are still down there behind the concrete.
I was also aware of that legend, as far as I know the machine never resufaced and were kept there in case of another extension east.
Was it designed that way as a post-Moorgate precaution?
@@AndreiTupolev Certainly longer tunnel terminals that is the thinking .
Charing Cross - Strand (Aldwych) - Bankside - London Bridge - Thamesmead would still be a useful Link given the eternity of a bus to get from the appolllo theatre to trafalgar square nowdays.
Tunnel boring machines, especially the lower cost ones, are frequently driven off to dig their own graves. It's sad really.
An important factor in getting approval for the line was to get MP's votes, which was hard work. Putting the line under Westminster allowed for a brand new ofice block above it just perfect for MP's offices, which is where a lot of them are now, and sealed approval from Parliament, in the opinion of many.
And also...maps are essential. Keep up the good work.
“what kind of monster abandons a 9 year old” bloody brilliant 🤣🤣
David Cameron?
@@brianparker663 haha good point
@@brianparker663 Boris Johnson
@@highpath4776 Ha ha! Yes - almost as many abandoned offspring than there are abandoned tube stations..;-)
I know of 2 doctors who abandoned a six year old and a baby whilst out on the booze with their rich friends in Portugal. Girls still missing. What kind of monsters indeed.
Of course, as any true pedant knows, the correct term is reverse curve.
Pendants of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your friends and family....
Thanks JH.
Did you just deliberately misspell 'pedant' in order to trigger fellow pedants? Now that's pedantering.
Ian, there's a tautology in your comment. Anything from a pedant is, ipso facto, true.
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Turns out that predictive text doesn't like pedants either..
So that's what's causing my squealing flanges, it's Jago's double curves.
Sparks fly on double curves if you go too quickly
The notification for this video made me feel rather jubilant 😀
Jubileeant, surely?
I'd still love to see more maps 🤷♂️
"There is no point in reading this caption." ... love it :)
The maps are excellent and really help to visualise how the lines you talk about fit into London for non-Londoners, please keep them and use them more
I like the maps, as a non-Londoner, I have little grasp of how the tube fits on the steet plan
You would be amazed at how many Londoners have the same grasp , every time tube service suspended they are wandering around like lost souls in the daylight
I never thought the Tube could be so interesting! It may be the delivery as much as the content that I enjoy - very chilled and witty.
Thank you very much for your "Tales from the Tube"; I really enjoy them. I particularly appreciated it when you show the routes on a nice clear map as you have in this video.
There have been proposals to extend the DLR West from Bank and terminate at the old Charing Cross Jubilee Line platforms. Would require a lot of work though as the tunnels would need to be completely re bored as they are too narrow for those trains.
I always wondered why they mothballed Charing Cross. Makes total sense now I see how bendy it would have been. It would have made it a much less desirable option to travel from Waterloo than it is now.
I was amazed when I realised how little Tube coverage there is south of the river.
By the way,my best friend at school claimed to have the honour of being the first child to travel on the Jubilee Line when it opened. From the general public that is,I'm not sure if any non-adult member of the Royal Family got on there first.
I mean, they could always have kept it and run a partial service to Charing Cross and a partial service over the extension (or even a full service over the extension if they snuck in some terminating platforms somewhere like Waterloo)
@@rjjcms1 I think it's to do with the differing geological conditions south of the river.
@@davepoole9520 Indeed, there is a lot less clay south of the river Thames.
@@rjjcms1 Probably because the Southern Electric network had so much coverage already.
Another great video. I used to be a guard on the Bakerloo & Jubilee Lines and have worked into CX Jubilee. The lines extended way beyond the station at Charing Cross, if there was no crew relief at Baker Street northbound a train would be put away into either of the sidings there. Originally the crew would be gone for 20 plus minutes as the tunnels went so far along the Strand, all the way to Aldwych we assumed, as that was the line of the proposed extension. In fact i wonder how far the lines did go, as when the tracks ended the tunnels kept going! When LT built over Mansion House a report stated they used "service tunnels" to to lay foundations from underneth....Interesting as that was also the line of the proposed extension.......LT seemed to spend an awful long time building a few miles of new tube line, almost as long as it took to build the whole of the Victoria Line! Did they perhaps keep going beyond Charing Cross with the expectation of the extension being authorised?......And then be able to open ahead of the planned extension opening date as a fair chunk would have already been built?......It would certainly make up for the late opening of the Jubilee Line!
I feel that was a particularly sassy episode of Jago Hazzard....... And I like it!
it's only rock 'n roll...
Great video as always. It also brought back fond memories of my time working on the whole Jubille extension project, thank you.
Quite early this time - loving this mini series about these lines!
Very informative, thanks!
Also, please don't stop the maps! Particularly those with the amusing subtitles ;-)
Finally.. thanks for the intel on where Thor the Dark World was shot, boarding the tube at least.
It will never cease to amuse me that the place he "alighted the tube" was actually the underground toilets at entrance to Greenwich Park.. :P
I was living the opposite side of the Thames when that was being shot, so fond memories!
I do wish you included more maps to be able to understand the locations you are describing. Your videoas are always interesting but for those of us not quite so familiar with every street in London, putting the locations in context would be very helpful.
That title reminds me of a bendy bus
.. but on a rail chassis.. sounds familiar
I really like being on the top deck of a double decker bus,with the view of everything you get. I stayed in Hong Kong several times and they had lots of double deckers going up and down main shopping thoroughfares like the Nathan Road in Kowloon. The top decks were always very popular. Being on a packed bendy bus doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.
Yes they run on the Croydon Tram system. :-)
Being on the old Bakerloo Stanmore branch , and then the Jubilee line (so called as it did open in Jubllee year 1977) Charing + east no great loss , as we always had to change at Baker Street or Finchley Rd to get anywhere. The first Jubilee carriages can now be seen at Shoreditch , covered with tasteful graffiti , atop of an old bit of isolated viaduct , if you happen have a ladder. We're still awaiting a lift to access the West Hampstead Jubllee island plat
Another of the carriages made it to Great Ormond Street Hospital, although I don’t think it’s there any more.
I had to grab my Tube Map, often do, to visualise what you were saying from the beginning of the video - maps are good 👍
"This Is Where Things Get Silly"
- Says Jago, who does videos on the London Underground.
You haven’t experienced silly until you dig up his old video where Thomas the Tank Engine becomes a Bolshevik.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 I did binge watch all his videos and commented on them. Then I lost it all when TH-cam banned me by mistake. I'll have to go and have a look. Cheers.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 lol
I always forget that Charing Cross was at one time a station on the Jubilee Line
Pah. Kids today. I still expect the signs to say "Trafalgar Square".
Charing X Jubilee is still on the books as a reversing point during disruption or closure.
Does anyone know what the last day/date was when you could get to Charing Cross on the Jubilee Line?
@@ajs41: Wikipedia says 19 November 1999. Londonist agrees on the month and year, but does not mention the day.
And at one time, the Stanmore end of the Jubilee line was the Bakerloo
The extension had only been open for a year when I started commuting from Wembley Park to Waterloo… those new stations with the platform side sliding doors was all very modern and fancy.
The map comment is extra funny after the Jay Foreman video in which Jago plays Harry Beck. Sometimes missing an episode when it comes out is a good thing.
Let's not forget the film Creep set in Charing Cross. It's the ideal horror film for transport nerds with all the behind the scenes at TfL filming.
More maps please, and I love the caption!
I use that 24 bus fairly often, I miss London so much!
The only route in Zone One to terminate at a location where there is no other bus route.
Just after it was closed I got to go on the Charing Cross station as an extra in the film ‘Intimacy’ I got to push past Mark Rylance.
This was the first film to use that station after it was abandoned, although it was also the first real sex film passed by the BBFC for exhibition in cinemas, which kind of overshadows the use of the station.
Round of applause from me for getting St Katherine Docks right. If you ever do a video on the St John Ambulance I’m sure you’ll get that right too, and may be even the chorus of Rule Britannia.
I LOVE maps. They really help to illustrate the point & show things in context.
More maps please !!
Wibbly-wobbly trainy-wainy... stuff.
Another lesson - a learning curve. My education and map reading skills are improving by the video mode! Thank you Tutor Jago!
Thanks for another video Jago 🙂
Shows how often I get to London. I think I've been to Westminster station but still remember Jubilee as going to Charing Cross.
used to travel down from Mill Hill East to Charing X changing onto the Jubilee line togo to school back in the 90s
Since getting 100k+ I've noticed you've been getting grittier and pitting line v line! Loving the I don't care attitude Jago! Keep it going!
I'm glad they avoided the silliness of the twisted line here - especially important for Jubilee line, as it is already twisted and curved in the earlier section at Baker Street where it (north-south line) had to be cross-platform with Bakerloo (east-west line) and as a result it has massive curves (Jubilee essentially passes Bond Street - Regent's Park - Baker Street - Marylebone - St. John's Wood instead of a direct route, adding a couple of minutes to the journey time).
James Bond also pulled some shenanigans to get the District line to Charing X.. these big shots really can do some special things
A great explanation of why it was moved from Charing Cross to Westminster, something I’ve always wondered as to why 👍🏻
Many thx as always Jago; content enjoyed as per usual :-)
thanks mate, it always cheers me to watch your vids,
At 0:29 seconds it shows a reflection of Tom Baker's Dr Who, weirdly the Jubilee line at Waterloo does look like the Tardis as you walk through the passage ways
very interesting and very entertaining! I didn't know about that little extension
I remember the opening and have images of it from that first weekend. Charing Cross was a sparkling new station.
Needs _more_ maps.
The tunnels go along way pass Charing Cross. Do not know if the tunneling machines are still down there or removed
They are even now on their way to your house..:-0
@@brianparker663 The HS2 tunnelling machine are near to my house than the Jub ones
@@petemo2266 Argh! I was visiting up near Amersham recently and there seem to be massive works everywhere. Hope you are not too badly affected. Have great day (despite the weather..:-(...)
I have traveled from Charing Cross to St John's Wood on that lost bit of the Jubilee Line
I'd like you to do a short video about the extra bendy bit of the Northern Line approaching Bank Station, along with the perceived need to dig tubes that followed the streets above, the way the cut and cover were by necessity
There *is* a point to reading that caption, though: It gave me a nice chuckle.
There’s nowt wrong with a map. Apart from inaccurate or rubbish ones. But that was very useful and actually helps explain rather a lot, especially those of us who remember the original Fleet Line proposals and were wondering why on Earth they abandoned such a new tube station 🤔 I suppose the thing is that at one point in the future, there probably will be a need for it (maybe just to Aldwych and Fenchurch St to ease capacity or something...I dunno, I’m a muppet 🤷🏻♂️) though I believe they do use it for staff training and turning south bound trains when it isn’t busy being touched up and pampered for its next starring rôle 😜
I am glad that the proposal was dropped. I think you would have literally been quicker getting off and walking to Waterloo over the bridge via the Festival Hall than catch the Jube 🤣😂😅
Thank you sir, weekend made already 👍🍻😎
I feel that there is a video to be made about the route the JLE takes through Westminster, and the number of planning applications that were rejected.
The Jubilee line already does an _S_ bend between St.John's Wood and Bond St. Two is two too many.
I don't understand for the life of me, why people would complain about you drawing maps? There's literally no way of successfully showing the route... Without doing so?!
They're simple, helpful and clear in explaining the proposal.
What can possibly be people's problem with that?!
I find maps really helpful. After all, the tube is all about linking geographical points, even if we usually represent it topographically.
I’m glad those sharp turns weren’t built. The Jubilee is loud enough, having those sharp turns would necessitate having noise cancelling earphones, not that they’re already needed…
Maps are great - I can see why the s- curve via temple would have been daft, but what was the problem with a direct route from CX to Waterloo - just a few hundred yards and only one more gentle curve..? Too near Hungerford bridge foundations maybe. Personally I go with the MPs private railway entrance argument.
I love the maps, it helps visualise things. Even just circling locations or whatever would help visualise things for people not local to London (like myself, although I am getting to know it better since my gf lives near Heathrow)
You could kinda argue that the Waterloo & City line is kinda semi-abandoned right now. So maybe it's both the newest tube line and also abandoned.
Interesting thought!
But it is the second oldest deep level "tube" line...
Ashley Rabat seems to love doing maps. Why not do a joint venture with him? Just think if you and all the other TH-cam London Transport greats got together to make a long documentary it'd be fantastic.
I have mentioned that to both Jago and Ashley.
Imagine if Jay Foreman and Geoff Marshall (not forgetting Vicky Pipe of course) were in on the act as well!
Outstanding episode, thanks. Silly me…I never knew you had double curves, but you wear them well!
Never fails to please. jago👍🏻🏴🇬🇧
I thought that in order to approve the funding for the Jubilee Line extension, MPs insisted that it went via Westminster thus helping to fund the construction of Portcullis House: the Jubilee Line bit of the expanded station being part of the same structure.
That map showing the crazy curve required to get from Charing Cross to Waterloo was very useful, as unlike the Bakerloo Line which does that journey, the platforms at Charing Cross are facing in the wrong direction.
The Jubilee Line extension was also originally going to stay north of the river after Canary Wharf, thus stopping at Blackwall instead of North Greenwich, until British Gas made a contribution. Without that change, there would be no Millennium Dome or O2 Arena on the Greenwich peninsula.
Sir, your videos are always brilliant.
Thanks!
Reading that caption was so worth it
I never tire of Jago's videos.
I'd like to see it extended to meet the DLR in one direction and in the other tunnel out to Yeading Lane via Shepherd's Bush which was a planned tube route in the 1949 (?) plan.
Mr Hazzard, the pedants are revolting!
Do they sing?
I have fun memories of looking at Southwark station while sitting in the Ring bar. Never again though as it’s gone cashless. Use it or lose it
You mean the pub? Tis still a decent boozer.
As not londoner I like the maps - it helps me to get a understanding where things are :)
Plus wasn't there an option to have/keep Charring Cross as a branch? Like Northern Line has many branches?
a branch for one station only would probably be a bit redundant and unnecessary and charing cross was already being served by the bakerloo and northern lines
G. Ware Travelstead...?
Did I hear that right?
Man, that name just broke me, dude.
Travelstead was a cousin of railway magnate H.R. Pufnstuf
The only thing that could make this channel more enjoyable is more maps! I love visual aide! I don’t like in the UK so I don’t half the places you talk about lol.
Just a thought, If Canary Wharf was built on the Isle Of Dogs, would it have been *cheep* and *ruff* ?
You are clearly Barking....:-)
@@brianparker663 Not 'Arf! LOL
@@brianparker663 Dagenham - 3 stops past Barking.
More maps please
IIRC it was part of an eastwards extension of the Fleet/Jubilee, well on one of the plans at least, to use Aldwych, nee Strand, station.
Hhmm....they should have built a Northern Line style dual route, with one section going via Charing Cross and the City and the other on the current route, uniting at London Bridge. The map is useful. Maps are ALWAYS useful.
I'm a map fan as well . I'm very used to them so it helps to put things in context
Fond memories of going to the Christmas Lectures via Charing Cross jubilee line station.
As I am not from London, I would love to see more maps in your videos for better orientation.
I especially liked this one!
Yes please to maps. Just a quick peak is all I require.
I'll be watching this before work :)
Very interesting and thanks for using a map, it's very helpful 👍
Should we stick to the lines that were built, or at least, mostly so?