I love slamming Vorinclex in my Mono Green deck entirely because I like being the archenemy and it immediately makes me the table villain. I don't bother with protection though, because it does just ice the game if it survives a couple rounds and that's boring.
I like being archenemy too but vorinclex is just…bleh. I took it out of my mono green deck because every time I tutored it out the game just became less enjoyable. There are bette mana accelerants anyway
God I love winter orb. My friends deserved it. Trust me. Honorable mention to tangle wire? I managed to hard lock my friends using that, kci, daretti ultimate, static orb, and orb of dreams. I really did not take Krenko getting imprisoned in the moon well.
The one time I saw Stasis hit the field was with Estrid, the masked at the helm untapping all her enchanted lands. It did make everyone immediately concede.
Same with my Aminatou, Sun Titan and a lotus petal. Cracking the petal or pitch a card to forsaken city. While swinging to get a fetchland back or the petal. Then flicker sun titan to get smth else back or even aminatou, once shes in the bin. I love Aminatou.
Yeah well, good on you guys; that is exactly the way to react, instead of whining and bitching against stax and LD. We don't use stax and land destruction to not play Magic for 2 hours like the online discourse says, we use those to end the game in the spot just like how you wouldn't watch a combo deck iterate 1.000.000 loops before conceding. But then every snowflake under the Twitter sun will complain that they "don't get to play MTG boohoo" FFS concede and shuffle up and then you will be playing MTG like you wanted. Of course some people will drop a Stasis or an Armageddon without a way to take advantage of it, just to be an asshole, but in that case conceding is also the correct course of action, denying the asshole their satisfaction.
@@malakimphoros2164 My plays are tame, I have a way to end the game with a combo. Its not about being an asshole and making everyone suffer. Its about stalling enough against these nasty combo decks, so that I can combo myself. Thats why stax works in higher level games.
Vorinclex used to be one of those rare 1 time a month cards that showed up and everyone hated.... and then the reprint in march of the machines came and he suddently showed up every green deck on the planet, its rare to not see one during a LGS commander day now.
I used the ideas in this video to turn Planeswalker Party into a fun merika stax/burn, with Jokulhaups, Sunder, Winter Orb, Static Orb, and Stasis. Not to mention a butt load of burn and a few pitch counterspells. I was going for maximum saltiness.
Swap it out for Seismic Assault and you're good. Well, not good.. but you'll get to do the thing. The thing being throwing lands at your opponents' faces. Which you can Splendid Reclamation ba- you know what, maybe I should build this deck
There is an entirely different category between people who drop mass land destruction with a clear plan versus people just doing in on a whim. If your Kaalia managed to survive the turn cycle and you fire off a Cataclysm, that's securing the end of the game neatly. If you played Hazezon turn 3 and then played Global Ruin turn 4 then that is a genuine play; everyone else lost their stuff and you have put your deserts back into your second hand. The guy who notices they're behind on mana and just fires off an Armageddon in the hopes they win their second chance at the lands race is stuffing around.
Had a pod once with a friend, a friend of a friend (that friend was elsewhere that night but said this guy was cool, he was right), and a rando Said rando brought a deck full of land destructions and board wipes that aren't MLDs, and his win condition was just using his 3/3 commander to punch us to death one by one after not letting us play the game for like almost 2hrs, he couldn't even buff up his commander. If you win on the spot with an MLD, then it's just you win the game, there's not much more than that, but that game just the worst. During the game he also trash talked us for playing bad decks, honestly, really should've scooped on the spot after that.
That guy who fired off the Armageddon is still playing optimally given his situation though. He can either play Armageddon and probably still lose or not play Armageddon and definitely still lose. It's like how you shouldn't ever scoop to a non deterministic combo because technically the opponent might just flub it.
I used to have a 60 card casual control/combo deck that killed the table with Sunder, then Blood Oath+Radiate with remaining floating mana. Fun part was you could do all that at instant speed.
Hey PK, Taniwha is pronounced ‘Ta-ne-Fa’ it’s a mythical creature in Te ao Māori from my country, New Zealand. There is no ‘F’ in Te Reo Māori, the Māori language, but the ‘wh’ sound is made like an ‘f’. 😊 But thanks for showing it to me as I didn’t know it existed! Quick visit to Coolstuffinc coming up…😉👊
@@christopherb501 it actually does make some sense, if you pronounce it correctly, which is a little tricky. It's got a bit of 'f' but no sibilant part, and a little bit of 'w' in there - almost like 'hwa'. This is why it sometimes sounds more 'f' like in Taniwha, but especially when it's at the beginning of words the 'f' and 'w' versions are used interchangeably eg Whanganui, or Whakatu (where I live). And I didn't know that until I just looked it up to correct Vince, but I did know most of our colloquial pronunciations of Maori words are baaaaaaad. So it was nice to learn.
My personal list would be: Mana Breach (Rule of Law with bouncing your lands is miserable af) Apocalypse (Jokulhaups on steroids, sends everything to the Shadow Realm, and it's 5 mana) Drannith Magistrate: We all know why.
Run Obliterate in my Tom Bombadil deck. He survives the blast, gives me free value, and there's recursion among a number of sagas that I will either already have in play or spin into each turn as they pop off. I also used to run Mana Maze in my U/W stax but got tired of explaining it.
Surprised there was no mention on Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite; the Mistress of "FUCK YOUR TOKENS" with her "All your creatures have +2/+2 and All creatures your enemy controls have -2/-2". Spirits and Spiders are out of the equation with her
Super cool that Taniwha is mentioned when it's Maori Language week in NZ. It's a mythical creature in Maori culture. The pronunciation here is ta knee fa
My friend plays Jokulhaups in his planeswalker deck. I'm not angry that he does; Because if he does, he usually is gonna win 100% of the time right after anyway. So it's an instant "Well, GG." But yeah it's pretty salty. But it's also so raw and evil, and you can't not like it.
Just gonna leave this here, Stasis + Smothering Tithe can create a sort of soft lock on the game by letting you pay the upkeep cost every turn because they have to choose if they really want to tap down 2 of their lands possibly forever just to keep you from getting a treasure.
I play an avacyn deck. Everybody knows whats going to happen turn 8 or 9 or 10 or so. Nobody has any room to complain, you knew what was going to happen when mommy hits the board. You didn't kill me for 8 turns. You have no one to blame but yourself.
I loath Vorniclex but if you have your answer in hand you can tap your mana in response to him and float the mana before he is on the field. Kill him with the floating mana and you wont get your lands locked. It means you need to have the instant on hand but its AN option...
It is wild that people complain about a 2/2 hatebear that can get smashed to pieces immediately rather than Vorinclex or Armageddon that, you know, stop the game.
One of my friends had an unsleeved "casual" 60 card deck with an OG Vorinclex in it. It was incredibly beat up, which is fitting considering the beat down it gave me every time it hit play. I played against it a few times and decided to never play Magic with them again because it is one of the least fun Magic card designs of all time.
I've built a Jund casual EDH deck based around Sekkuar in order to "break parity" on Jokulhaps/Obliterate/few others in a non-oppressive way, my playgroup is thankfully are kinda chill with it so far)
I run Jokullhaups in my Zangief deck, along with Obliterate and one other I don't remember the name. But it's a game ender. When I have zangief and some decent enchants wipe the board and finish people off. It's not a "delay of game" tactic
I just remember Stasis from the old Oldschool days, e.g. the infamous Twiddle-Vault with Stasis, or some other favourites with some more Stasis, Orb etc. madness.
Personally I enjoy playing Nekusar, the Mindrazer. Its a pretty obvious game plan, so its like sitting down and signing a contract, but the contract is clearly in my favor. Still though, nobody has complained yet because they all just love drawing cards so much. 😂
Nekusaur years ago was hated, because you set up a couple effects, whittle people down, then wheel to kill the table. Now though there are many better ways to kill the table early that don't involve giving opponents more cards. I've played it a few times and done well, and no complaints.
I run Armageddon in my prismatic bridge deck. Everything is destroyed except enchantments. So now I get free creatures out while everyone is rebuilding. It’s salty, but like a good steak, some salt is necessary
The crucial aspect to all of these cards is that they basically say, "nobody else gets to play at all" (assuming you've built around Stasis or other fully symmetrical effects). That's not very meaningful for anyone involved; if you're trying to win, naturally you're going to try to play it and stick it, while the other players do not get a choice but to try and deal with it, or simply concede. Games are fun when you get to make meaningful choices. Interaction in MTG makes for meaningful choices, and I'd be uninterested in playing with anyone who thinks otherwise - then again, there are a bunch of staples for various commanders or colors that I'm also not very interested in playing with or against, precisely because it's just less interesting to me if it's not a choice whether to put it in your deck or not.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Jokulhaups as long as it’s following an immediately visible line of play that will win you the game which isn’t very hard to accomplish. The actual issue is that commander players can’t accept that they’ve lost because they’re so used to playing their trash decks at trash tables where nobody has a wincon that they honestly believe they can come back from anything while the windgrace is sitting there with 10 lands on board to their 2. Also if you actually resolve it with multiple walkers on board your opponents are even more at fault for clearly just having chosen to not deal with a mounting problem for several turns.
Putting Jin into play turn 5 in my Muldrotha deck with Dance of the Dead was fun. Also, my Go Shintai of Life's Origin deck does the Smothering Tithe + Stasis thing.
Did the title for this video make anyone else think about the name Abtar? And his daughter coming on to your property and kicking your dog? Classic 2000s internet memes were the best.
@@OdinMagnus nope, phasing in of permanents happen during untap step before the untapping, so if an effect makes player skip it, no phased out permanents will phase in. Sands of Time is an artifact from Visions that specifically hoses phasing.
@@ferdithetank7535 Yeah, I see that it was changed. Seems like it was around 2008 when it happened. It used to happed right before the untap step. So stasis didn't affect it. But I see that it was changed and it happens at the beginning of the untap step. So yeah, that does hurt phasing a bunch. So if someone does Teferri's Protection, you can drop stasis and basically they removed themselves from the game lol
I have yet to meet a player who gets salty when they play against my Mogis Group Slug deck, so far I have received comments like: - Well that was different - LOL What a silly deck - So it is basically a Rakdos Enchantment deck? The deck is based on the idea of a cage match with Mogis with the finale being a well cast Jokulhaups or Obliterate leaving Mogis and the horrible enchantments left... enter the cage match mode LOL
It really depends on what the play group view the format as Commanders main draw to a lot of casual players is the idea of do something fun and cool, so people naturally hate it when they don't get to do any of that. Furthermore, what's worse about these cards in specific is that, say you are casting Approach or getting Thoracle to end the game, there's gonna be salt, but at least you get to move on with the game, at worst, find another pod, not so bad. These cards don't do that inherently, so if you just play these cards and doesn't win for like the next 2 turns, people are gonna get really annoyed that they are not drawing wtever specific counter they need to get out of this hole, and that the game hasn't actually ended so it's hard to simply move on to a new game, and you basically sit in jail for another hour struggling. I think it's honestly "fine" if you can win within 2 turns (Preferably you are either winning on spot or winning in 1 turn) after using these sort of cards, that means those turns are gonna go by fast, and everyone can move on. But if you can't, total screw you, that's just wasting everyone's time.
In Commander, Archangel Avacyn + Armageddon or any similar Land Destruction spell = GG 😂😂😂 I can feel the salt level increase from 0 to infinity in a few seconds. 😂😂😂
@@TheBlitzgundam Oh, those same Green players can also die on the board for all that I care. What's that? You had 30 lands out by turn 5 and someone blew it up? No pity (or mercy) from me.
And other people are allowed to say that you are not fun to play with and play with other people instead. Everyone knows that the EDH banlist is a joke and you need to apply way more restrictions to actually have fun games.
What makes people in my playgroup salty like nothing else is Helm of the Host. They *HATE* this thing. Put it on a Lodestone Golem when you play artefacts, but it on Captain N'Gathrod to use more and more of their creatures against them, or a Terisian Mindbreaker to watch their deck just gtfo. Vorinclex, Korvold... The list goes on.🤣🤣🤣
Cecphalid Constable in Mutate decks (Otrimi has trample) is a gross turn 3/4. You didn't remove it before my turn? Say goodbye to your 3 lands and you Birds of paradise chucklenuts!
NOW THIS IS MY KINDA VIDEO. THANX BRO!! IM SO OLD SCHOOL MTG MY FIRST DECK EVER WAS A BLUE & WHITE STASIS & KISMET DECK WITH A BUNCH OF BOOMERANGS AND RESET. PEOPLE BITCHED&CRIED ABOUT IT BACK THEN & EVEN MORE NOW. YEAH, I WAS THE GUY THAT PLAYED WRATH & ARMAGGEDON SAME DECK.
I know you said to ask my play group... but after one player uses Quietus Spike and Reinforced Ronin turn 4 on you because you're mana screwed and in another game has protection from creatures and colors... I see all these cards as fair game.
hmmm so you are saying my locust god with purphoros, blood moon and back to basics is not nice? well you should have spent money on removal instead of nonbasics. :b
Taniwha = Tah - nee - fah (but de-emphasize the 'f' sound, or rather the sybilant part of it - like almost saying 'hwa' with a little 'f' feel) (it's a Maori word and i'm from NZ but not Maori so I did just look up how to say the 'wh' syllable because sometimes we say it like 'f' and other times like 'w' buuuuuut typical pronunciation of Maori words is often very inaccurate, so it's nice to learn it's supposed to be a little of both)
So many people misread taniwha. Upkeep is after the lands phased back in, so you lose your lands EVERY upkeep. It basically forces you to play at instant speed during your upkeep in response to its trigger or not play at all. But it's also good for MLD flash decks where you float the mana, let it resolve then flash out an armageddon for one sidded land whipe.
You’re completely wrong. Taniwha will phase out during the untapped step before upkeep, therefore it won’t be there during upkeep when it’s effect will cause your lands to phase. So they won’t. Then next turn it phases in on untap, proceeds to upkeep and phases all your lands.
Fuck i have most of these cards in my decks, and sunder is my favourite way to win in my patron of the moon deck. Nobody else seems to like it though. As a bonus, my mate bought me the invocation sunder just to increase the salt.
I’m glad to hear jin gitaxis is hated. I took about a ten year break from magic so I’m basically brand new again. I’ve made me a Kwain deck and the best answer I could find for me putting cards in peoples hands was him. Oh well should be funny nonetheless
Close on the pronunciation for Taniwha. It's Tun ee far phonetically. It's hilarious that most of the critical cards in the Rog Tevesh Stax list made this list btw.
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Friendly reminder to not kick your dog. 🐕
Nope you cuddle them and have them lick your face after licking their a$$hole
Damn, wish I saw this comment 10 minutes ago
ALWAYS kick someone else's dog. 😅
Hostile reminder not to kick your dog.
Or cat… ?
I love slamming Vorinclex in my Mono Green deck entirely because I like being the archenemy and it immediately makes me the table villain. I don't bother with protection though, because it does just ice the game if it survives a couple rounds and that's boring.
I like being archenemy too but vorinclex is just…bleh. I took it out of my mono green deck because every time I tutored it out the game just became less enjoyable. There are bette mana accelerants anyway
God I love winter orb. My friends deserved it. Trust me.
Honorable mention to tangle wire? I managed to hard lock my friends using that, kci, daretti ultimate, static orb, and orb of dreams. I really did not take Krenko getting imprisoned in the moon well.
The one time I saw Stasis hit the field was with Estrid, the masked at the helm untapping all her enchanted lands. It did make everyone immediately concede.
Same with my Aminatou, Sun Titan and a lotus petal. Cracking the petal or pitch a card to forsaken city. While swinging to get a fetchland back or the petal. Then flicker sun titan to get smth else back or even aminatou, once shes in the bin.
I love Aminatou.
@@dngeroudsThat's pretty casual
Yeah well, good on you guys; that is exactly the way to react, instead of whining and bitching against stax and LD. We don't use stax and land destruction to not play Magic for 2 hours like the online discourse says, we use those to end the game in the spot just like how you wouldn't watch a combo deck iterate 1.000.000 loops before conceding. But then every snowflake under the Twitter sun will complain that they "don't get to play MTG boohoo" FFS concede and shuffle up and then you will be playing MTG like you wanted. Of course some people will drop a Stasis or an Armageddon without a way to take advantage of it, just to be an asshole, but in that case conceding is also the correct course of action, denying the asshole their satisfaction.
@@malakimphoros2164 My plays are tame, I have a way to end the game with a combo. Its not about being an asshole and making everyone suffer. Its about stalling enough against these nasty combo decks, so that I can combo myself. Thats why stax works in higher level games.
That description is just staxx working as intended. It’s so much worse when everyone… doesn’t. lol
Vorinclex used to be one of those rare 1 time a month cards that showed up and everyone hated.... and then the reprint in march of the machines came and he suddently showed up every green deck on the planet, its rare to not see one during a LGS commander day now.
I used the ideas in this video to turn Planeswalker Party into a fun merika stax/burn, with Jokulhaups, Sunder, Winter Orb, Static Orb, and Stasis. Not to mention a butt load of burn and a few pitch counterspells. I was going for maximum saltiness.
I really love that you go freeform with your content. What a very unique concept for a video!
my favorite is Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Living Plane. It is a one-sided Armageddon and your opponents can't play any land.
Massacre Wurm + Natural Affinity for a cheaper cmc version of this that also will probably deal at least 12 damage to all your opps
Uhm actually, that borborygmos can't target players-
Clearly he just forgot to mention the Brash Taunter/Stuffy Doll part of the combo... >_>
Swap it out for Seismic Assault and you're good. Well, not good.. but you'll get to do the thing. The thing being throwing lands at your opponents' faces. Which you can Splendid Reclamation ba- you know what, maybe I should build this deck
Cadaverous Bloom is so filthy and gross it liked to hang around with Mike Long's family jewels during matches.
There is an entirely different category between people who drop mass land destruction with a clear plan versus people just doing in on a whim. If your Kaalia managed to survive the turn cycle and you fire off a Cataclysm, that's securing the end of the game neatly. If you played Hazezon turn 3 and then played Global Ruin turn 4 then that is a genuine play; everyone else lost their stuff and you have put your deserts back into your second hand. The guy who notices they're behind on mana and just fires off an Armageddon in the hopes they win their second chance at the lands race is stuffing around.
Had a pod once with a friend, a friend of a friend (that friend was elsewhere that night but said this guy was cool, he was right), and a rando
Said rando brought a deck full of land destructions and board wipes that aren't MLDs, and his win condition was just using his 3/3 commander to punch us to death one by one after not letting us play the game for like almost 2hrs, he couldn't even buff up his commander.
If you win on the spot with an MLD, then it's just you win the game, there's not much more than that, but that game just the worst.
During the game he also trash talked us for playing bad decks, honestly, really should've scooped on the spot after that.
That guy who fired off the Armageddon is still playing optimally given his situation though. He can either play Armageddon and probably still lose or not play Armageddon and definitely still lose. It's like how you shouldn't ever scoop to a non deterministic combo because technically the opponent might just flub it.
I used to have a 60 card casual control/combo deck that killed the table with Sunder, then Blood Oath+Radiate with remaining floating mana. Fun part was you could do all that at instant speed.
Hey PK, Taniwha is pronounced ‘Ta-ne-Fa’ it’s a mythical creature in Te ao Māori from my country, New Zealand. There is no ‘F’ in Te Reo Māori, the Māori language, but the ‘wh’ sound is made like an ‘f’. 😊 But thanks for showing it to me as I didn’t know it existed! Quick visit to Coolstuffinc coming up…😉👊
So many romanizations make NO sense...
@@christopherb501 it actually does make some sense, if you pronounce it correctly, which is a little tricky. It's got a bit of 'f' but no sibilant part, and a little bit of 'w' in there - almost like 'hwa'. This is why it sometimes sounds more 'f' like in Taniwha, but especially when it's at the beginning of words the 'f' and 'w' versions are used interchangeably eg Whanganui, or Whakatu (where I live).
And I didn't know that until I just looked it up to correct Vince, but I did know most of our colloquial pronunciations of Maori words are baaaaaaad. So it was nice to learn.
My personal list would be:
Mana Breach (Rule of Law with bouncing your lands is miserable af)
Apocalypse (Jokulhaups on steroids, sends everything to the Shadow Realm, and it's 5 mana)
Drannith Magistrate: We all know why.
Run Obliterate in my Tom Bombadil deck. He survives the blast, gives me free value, and there's recursion among a number of sagas that I will either already have in play or spin into each turn as they pop off. I also used to run Mana Maze in my U/W stax but got tired of explaining it.
Surprised there was no mention on Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite; the Mistress of "FUCK YOUR TOKENS" with her "All your creatures have +2/+2 and All creatures your enemy controls have -2/-2". Spirits and Spiders are out of the equation with her
Super cool that Taniwha is mentioned when it's Maori Language week in NZ. It's a mythical creature in Maori culture. The pronunciation here is ta knee fa
I'm watching this video to kick these cards on sight to protect my dog.
I have a stasis deck. It's in my Archelos deck so it does actually hardlock people!
Life…is not…a race
My friend plays Jokulhaups in his planeswalker deck. I'm not angry that he does; Because if he does, he usually is gonna win 100% of the time right after anyway. So it's an instant "Well, GG."
But yeah it's pretty salty. But it's also so raw and evil, and you can't not like it.
Just gonna leave this here, Stasis + Smothering Tithe can create a sort of soft lock on the game by letting you pay the upkeep cost every turn because they have to choose if they really want to tap down 2 of their lands possibly forever just to keep you from getting a treasure.
I think I'm going to buy a Stasis now
I ran Stasis with Isochron Scepter and a bounce instant, usually Boomerang. 5 mana to freeze everyone out of the game is a fair rate.
Jokahulops is my FAVOURITE to GO @ IT with
12 mana to overload Cyclonic Rift and cast Sunder sounds pretty fair to me.
I play an avacyn deck. Everybody knows whats going to happen turn 8 or 9 or 10 or so. Nobody has any room to complain, you knew what was going to happen when mommy hits the board. You didn't kill me for 8 turns. You have no one to blame but yourself.
I loath Vorniclex but if you have your answer in hand you can tap your mana in response to him and float the mana before he is on the field. Kill him with the floating mana and you wont get your lands locked. It means you need to have the instant on hand but its AN option...
It is wild that people complain about a 2/2 hatebear that can get smashed to pieces immediately rather than Vorinclex or Armageddon that, you know, stop the game.
no banlist commander but also no one complains when the mono-white player finally has enough and shows up with hard stax Death and Taxes
She went on my property and she kicked my dog. This is Kerpal.
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Just to let you know, if you have Klothys on the battlefield for 20 turns, she'll kill your opponents!
And she costs 3 mana.
One of my friends had an unsleeved "casual" 60 card deck with an OG Vorinclex in it. It was incredibly beat up, which is fitting considering the beat down it gave me every time it hit play. I played against it a few times and decided to never play Magic with them again because it is one of the least fun Magic card designs of all time.
Sunder then teferis protection sounds great.
Turn 1 Land, GSZ into Dryad Arbor. Turn 2 Land, Sol Ring, Natural Order into Vorinclex IS like the meanest thing you can do in Green.
Great video :D
I'll definitely be picking up a Jokulhaups for my superfriends deck!
I've built a Jund casual EDH deck based around Sekkuar in order to "break parity" on Jokulhaps/Obliterate/few others in a non-oppressive way, my playgroup is thankfully are kinda chill with it so far)
Are you saying Vince that you wouldn't have liked my standard jokulhaups/taniwha/browse/ivory gargoyle deck? It did so well w thawing glaciers
There were a lot of toilet jokes in this episode but the sheer specificity of the "shart in the crowded bereavement councillor's office" destroyed me.
I run Jokullhaups in my Zangief deck, along with Obliterate and one other I don't remember the name. But it's a game ender. When I have zangief and some decent enchants wipe the board and finish people off. It's not a "delay of game" tactic
Got me good with that outtro "see next time c@nts" 😂
He’s so positive about sunder…. Found the Tatyova player!!
I just remember Stasis from the old Oldschool days, e.g. the infamous Twiddle-Vault with Stasis, or some other favourites with some more Stasis, Orb etc. madness.
This man believes is taking the high ground and aggressively defending it from all Anakins.
Personally I enjoy playing Nekusar, the Mindrazer. Its a pretty obvious game plan, so its like sitting down and signing a contract, but the contract is clearly in my favor. Still though, nobody has complained yet because they all just love drawing cards so much. 😂
Nekusaur years ago was hated, because you set up a couple effects, whittle people down, then wheel to kill the table.
Now though there are many better ways to kill the table early that don't involve giving opponents more cards. I've played it a few times and done well, and no complaints.
3:00 I believe the word you're looking for is dichotomy
I have a playgroup where I can safely play Contamination and no one will bitch about it.
I run Armageddon in my prismatic bridge deck. Everything is destroyed except enchantments. So now I get free creatures out while everyone is rebuilding. It’s salty, but like a good steak, some salt is necessary
*BANG* right in the balloon knot!
Needs to be a sticker or something 😂
The crucial aspect to all of these cards is that they basically say, "nobody else gets to play at all" (assuming you've built around Stasis or other fully symmetrical effects). That's not very meaningful for anyone involved; if you're trying to win, naturally you're going to try to play it and stick it, while the other players do not get a choice but to try and deal with it, or simply concede.
Games are fun when you get to make meaningful choices. Interaction in MTG makes for meaningful choices, and I'd be uninterested in playing with anyone who thinks otherwise - then again, there are a bunch of staples for various commanders or colors that I'm also not very interested in playing with or against, precisely because it's just less interesting to me if it's not a choice whether to put it in your deck or not.
Interaction happens all the way up to the point where you cast your haymaker, combo or back breaking staxx card.
Your evil mind has pointed out that my Jokulhaups has a home with Goff deck….
Holy ballz this is so UNHINGED and I am so HERE FOR IT
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Jokulhaups as long as it’s following an immediately visible line of play that will win you the game which isn’t very hard to accomplish. The actual issue is that commander players can’t accept that they’ve lost because they’re so used to playing their trash decks at trash tables where nobody has a wincon that they honestly believe they can come back from anything while the windgrace is sitting there with 10 lands on board to their 2. Also if you actually resolve it with multiple walkers on board your opponents are even more at fault for clearly just having chosen to not deal with a mounting problem for several turns.
Putting Jin into play turn 5 in my Muldrotha deck with Dance of the Dead was fun.
Also, my Go Shintai of Life's Origin deck does the Smothering Tithe + Stasis thing.
Now I need to think of the perfect Commander for a stax/burn deck lol
Jokulaups kicked my teeth in HARD back in the early 00s, when I had a Recycle in play. I'll let you do that math.
5:00 that's because Planeswalkers didn't exist in Ice Age.
Yes. That is exactly what I said. Thank you for the support!
I always like playinng Jokul Hops in my Superfriend Deck. It is basically just an immediate win.
I have played/play all of these. Blue/Red stax-burn does sound fun. Definitely adding Zozu + Mana Breach to that one 👀
Did the title for this video make anyone else think about the name Abtar? And his daughter coming on to your property and kicking your dog? Classic 2000s internet memes were the best.
You can play Stasis against Taniwha player, because skipping untap step prevents phasing in/out😜
Unless they changed it, it does not. But they don't untap if that's what you mean. They phase in, don't untap and then next turn phase out again.
@@OdinMagnus nope, phasing in of permanents happen during untap step before the untapping, so if an effect makes player skip it, no phased out permanents will phase in.
Sands of Time is an artifact from Visions that specifically hoses phasing.
@@ferdithetank7535 Yeah, I see that it was changed. Seems like it was around 2008 when it happened. It used to happed right before the untap step. So stasis didn't affect it. But I see that it was changed and it happens at the beginning of the untap step. So yeah, that does hurt phasing a bunch. So if someone does Teferri's Protection, you can drop stasis and basically they removed themselves from the game lol
Honorable Metnion to Manabarbs. People never respect the manabarbs and I love it.
I'm plotting some degenerate plays with Kormus Bell and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
I just need a way to keep MY swamp things alive if possible
If they don't let you deficate on their lawn, are they even really your friend?
Vince's wrongest opinion is thinking Invocations are ugly. they're sick as fuck
I have yet to meet a player who gets salty when they play against my Mogis Group Slug deck, so far I have received comments like:
- Well that was different
- LOL What a silly deck
- So it is basically a Rakdos Enchantment deck?
The deck is based on the idea of a cage match with Mogis with the finale being a well cast Jokulhaups or Obliterate leaving Mogis and the horrible enchantments left... enter the cage match mode LOL
It really depends on what the play group view the format as
Commanders main draw to a lot of casual players is the idea of do something fun and cool, so people naturally hate it when they don't get to do any of that.
Furthermore, what's worse about these cards in specific is that, say you are casting Approach or getting Thoracle to end the game, there's gonna be salt, but at least you get to move on with the game, at worst, find another pod, not so bad. These cards don't do that inherently, so if you just play these cards and doesn't win for like the next 2 turns, people are gonna get really annoyed that they are not drawing wtever specific counter they need to get out of this hole, and that the game hasn't actually ended so it's hard to simply move on to a new game, and you basically sit in jail for another hour struggling.
I think it's honestly "fine" if you can win within 2 turns (Preferably you are either winning on spot or winning in 1 turn) after using these sort of cards, that means those turns are gonna go by fast, and everyone can move on. But if you can't, total screw you, that's just wasting everyone's time.
Honored mention: Back to basics.
Sorry but I searched gatherer and found ZERO results with subtype Dog and keyword Kicker.
Checkmate.
The more i play magic, the more confusing it gets.
what a wild intro from the Cussy Brit today!
In Commander, Archangel Avacyn + Armageddon or any similar Land Destruction spell = GG 😂😂😂
I can feel the salt level increase from 0 to infinity in a few seconds. 😂😂😂
I wouldn't even feel bad about that. Especially with those Green players ramping lands all over the board.
@@AJKiesel Lol I don't feel bad at all when the same green players are just dying inside. :D
@@TheBlitzgundam Oh, those same Green players can also die on the board for all that I care.
What's that? You had 30 lands out by turn 5 and someone blew it up? No pity (or mercy) from me.
There's some... interesting... imagery in this episode. Balloon knot LOL.
Sunder is a goat card, play it in my Nekusar, float all mana sunder into wind fall and see the table rage or simply alongside Omniscience.
If the card is legal, I'm allowed to play it. And I will.
Is bodying strangers who just want a casual, fun, social game really that important to you?
And other people are allowed to say that you are not fun to play with and play with other people instead. Everyone knows that the EDH banlist is a joke and you need to apply way more restrictions to actually have fun games.
Taniwha, I like how you pronounce that as it would be pronounced in Taranaki. The rest of NZ would pronounce it 'Tanifa'
Don't tell the blue red stax burn players that ovika breaks parity really nicely
What makes people in my playgroup salty like nothing else is Helm of the Host. They *HATE* this thing. Put it on a Lodestone Golem when you play artefacts, but it on Captain N'Gathrod to use more and more of their creatures against them, or a Terisian Mindbreaker to watch their deck just gtfo. Vorinclex, Korvold... The list goes on.🤣🤣🤣
Cecphalid Constable in Mutate decks (Otrimi has trample) is a gross turn 3/4. You didn't remove it before my turn? Say goodbye to your 3 lands and you Birds of paradise chucklenuts!
So, play more stasis? Got it!
I actually really like Winter Orb's art
NOW THIS IS MY KINDA VIDEO. THANX BRO!! IM SO OLD SCHOOL MTG MY FIRST DECK EVER WAS A BLUE & WHITE STASIS & KISMET DECK WITH A BUNCH OF BOOMERANGS AND RESET. PEOPLE BITCHED&CRIED ABOUT IT BACK THEN & EVEN MORE NOW. YEAH, I WAS THE GUY THAT PLAYED WRATH & ARMAGGEDON SAME DECK.
PK's video with the most fart jokes per minute?
I know you said to ask my play group... but after one player uses Quietus Spike and Reinforced Ronin turn 4 on you because you're mana screwed and in another game has protection from creatures and colors... I see all these cards as fair game.
Mass Land Destruction is "S-Tier".
I love all of the cards shown.
hmmm so you are saying my locust god with purphoros, blood moon and back to basics is not nice? well you should have spent money on removal instead of nonbasics. :b
I'll refer my pod to this video after they rage quit. Well done
instructions unclear many dogs were kicked today 😔
Papa PK endorses kicking everyone’s MTG Dog 🐕!!
I play these cards. I also SHAT In strangers’ MTG Front Lawn!! They liked it!!!
I hate when these lists are just what i love
Taniwha = Tah - nee - fah (but de-emphasize the 'f' sound, or rather the sybilant part of it - like almost saying 'hwa' with a little 'f' feel) (it's a Maori word and i'm from NZ but not Maori so I did just look up how to say the 'wh' syllable because sometimes we say it like 'f' and other times like 'w' buuuuuut typical pronunciation of Maori words is often very inaccurate, so it's nice to learn it's supposed to be a little of both)
I absolutely love this.
Play these cards and no one will ever talk to again.
So many people misread taniwha. Upkeep is after the lands phased back in, so you lose your lands EVERY upkeep. It basically forces you to play at instant speed during your upkeep in response to its trigger or not play at all. But it's also good for MLD flash decks where you float the mana, let it resolve then flash out an armageddon for one sidded land whipe.
You’re completely wrong.
Taniwha will phase out during the untapped step before upkeep, therefore it won’t be there during upkeep when it’s effect will cause your lands to phase. So they won’t.
Then next turn it phases in on untap, proceeds to upkeep and phases all your lands.
@@GOCPproductions I'll be honest I missed the part where taniwha itself has phasing. Oops.
Fuck i have most of these cards in my decks, and sunder is my favourite way to win in my patron of the moon deck. Nobody else seems to like it though. As a bonus, my mate bought me the invocation sunder just to increase the salt.
Best opening to any of your videos
izzet stax burn isn't undiscovered territory. its a "Great as an idea, terrible in reality" strategy.
I’m glad to hear jin gitaxis is hated. I took about a ten year break from magic so I’m basically brand new again. I’ve made me a Kwain deck and the best answer I could find for me putting cards in peoples hands was him. Oh well should be funny nonetheless
Yes, i play Vorinclex and Vorinclex in my Zopandrel Stompy... Sue me!
pretty sure borb and fpb can only target creatures, so no go on the sunder all lands back just to discard them
stuffy doll however...
Close on the pronunciation for Taniwha. It's Tun ee far phonetically.
It's hilarious that most of the critical cards in the Rog Tevesh Stax list made this list btw.