Over the last decade plus UNC is 0-3 vs ECU by a combined score of 166-90. Lawmakers had to get involved because they were to scared to schedule us lol
NC State doesn't have a rival the way they feel about UNC though. While UNC wants to beat duke and uva each year. State wants to beat UNC, they'll just want to do it more. Its their biggest game of the year
Appalachian State Football Is Every Bit is Good As UNC Football and Could Take Their Place, Along With James Madison and Mabey Costal Carolina or Liberty! 🕵️♂️
I read this completely differently. I'm a NC State alum and have lived in NC my whole life. I've heard lots about this from local sources, and they all say they don't expect the bill to pass. It's mostly about messaging. However, if it does pass, I actually think it would more than likely bind NC State and Carolina. Not because we have to play each other every year, but because of those other games, and the elephant in the room for UNC; their rivalry with Duke. If they leave the ACC, they not only put their rivalry with State in jeopardy, but they also put their rivalry with Duke in peril. For UNC, State is the rival they have to have, Duke is the rival they choose to have. I imagine that UNC will still at least want play Duke once a year in basketball. I honestly believe they'd still probably play each other twice a year in basketball. You know ESPN wants that; they love that rivalry. I bet Duke will want UNC to play them in other sports as well and may hold the basketball rivalry hostage to do so. If that were to happen and UNC was playing State once, Duke twice, and one of the G5 NC schools for another game, that four of your non-conference basketball games gone. Plus, if they had to play all 3 in football, that's all of your non-conference football games gone (assuming they go a conference playing 9 conference games). Scheduling would be a nightmare for the Heels. As such, it's my opinion that the easiest thing for UNC is to move with either NC State or Duke. If this law were to pass, it would almost make it mandatory that they do to preserve any scheduling freedom. Again, I don't believe the bill will pass, but I also believe that whether it does or not, UNC will probably need to bring either State or Duke with them to protect the rivalry they & ESPN want (Duke) and the rivalry they know they can't escape (NCSU). Plus, there's still Wake to consider in this as well. It's definitely going to be messy regardless.
Every state should play their in state schools it benefits states local enconimes and builds excitement like I hope Marshall and West Virginia play each other every year
The 2024 will be played as scheduled. We will see how Clemson’s case comes out. The ACC’s request for the 2nd Circuit Appeals Court to intervene before a judgement has taken place will be denied.Then someone should inform how unique the 2nd Judicial Circuit Court operates with State, Local, and some Federal issues. The 2nd Judicial Circuit Court judgment will go straight to the State of Florida Supreme Court. The 2nd Judicial Appeals Court will pick up this case. After a judgement it will automatically go to the State of Florida Supreme Court may choose not to pick up the Case.
Decades ago the FL legislature was going to do something similar with UF and FSU. The FL Governor stepped in and stopped it to allow the two schools to simply agree with each other without legislation. Of course, they were not in the same conference like UNC and NCState.
The big two would benefit from unccheat being there as they have another charming-soft FB to schedule for homecoming. The good teams can’t all schedule Northwestern and Vandy for homecoming
Clueless as to the big picture. All of the top football talent will go to the eventual P2 schools causing a parity effect. That's why the tentpoles are consolidating.
Our(Northwestern) record on other's homecomings is surprisingly good. One year we were 4-0 on homecoming. The days of us being a guaranteed win have been gone for about 30 years. Only tOSU and Michigan can pen a W in against us, but then again they can pen a win again almost everybody else in the conference also.
@richardhead-sw2qc The balance between academics, revenue sports, and olympic sports is an issue that each school handles differently. I can only speak as a Northwestern alumnus, donor, and season ticket holder and my preferences. My preference is drop football if we start paying the players directly and they become employees not students. Your response was out of left field as I was exposing the false narrative that the modern Northwestern football is awful. Our record over the past 30 years indicates we are at least B1G middle-of-the-pack. As for UGA, if it were on the board I'm sure it would receive a B1G invite regardless of AAU status. I have argued against GaTech, but will almost never argue against athletics membership of the flagship university of decent sized states.
Bottom line is why would Big12 care about unc,ncsu goin or not to a p2. These Big12 shows are doing everything they can to help destabilize the Acc and let Yarmouk feast. after Acc teams just like he did the Pac12. Their narrative is that unc by itself magically jumps to sec , thus initiating the Acc mass exodus of teams. So any narrative that prevents or considerably delays a unc exit works against Yarmouck feasting there. The state of NC tourism bureau working with Acc to supply serious $ and a lot of stability also keeps unc in a revitalized Acc.
UNC Lawyered up before Florida State University & Clemson. It should be noted that FSU & UF have played each other in every sport without ever being in the same conference. Yet, the Rivals in the Sunshine Showdown are fierce. In many ways FSU may pick on UF, but isn’t with anyone else doing so. UF may pick on FSU, but isn’t with anyone else causing too much trouble. The hidden card for FSU & then Clemson has been UNC. Back when the Commissioner’s for the B1G & the SEC: They did some horse trading with their Networks input already known. B1G/FOX wanted Florida State & SEC/ESPN wanted UNC. The SEC had already approved lifting the home & home boycott of FSU with Alabama @ Florida State in 2025 & FSU @ Alabama in 2026, next Georgia @ Florida State in 2027 & FSU @ Georgia in 2028. Those are on the books already scheduled. They certainly played you get, I get John. I’m your favorite Seminole, Timothy in Tallahassee. I am not concerned about AAU Status, I expect AAU Status will come at the same time, should Florida State University receives a invitation to join the B1G. Florida State University has planned for multiple circumstances.
Had UCLA signaled they were going to leave then they would've been in the exact same mess or worse. The Cal-Tax is a small price to pay for their freedom and will properly be reduced/eliminated over time. UNC and UVA only have themselves to blame for getting into this mess. They had a window to jump to any conference 10 years ago and didn't take it. Now both have lost direct control over their futures. Unlike UVA, UNC is basically being held hostage by a rogue legislature in all matters. All of this to protect a couple of basketball games a year with Duke and be the king of a dying kingdom? I can't wait to read the behind the scenes on how these poor decisions were made one day.
Why repeat this silly claim already rebutted elsewhere? Yet another example of your inability to be corrected or adjust due to new info, missed angles, etc.
@@tarheel7406 It hasn't been rebutted elsewhere. If so, please cite your sources like you failed to do when discussing PSU. You simply have a difference of opinion as an ACC/UNC fan. You're still making claims that directly contradict members of the UNC Board of Trustees. You even posted on another channel that YOU underestimated the involvement of the NC government. How is that possible when this was anticipated for at least a year?
I love how all these teams keep citing that without money, they can't complete but UConn has just won back-to-back titles in Men's Basketball, made FF in Women's Bball, and advanced to super regionals beating OU in Baseball. Seems like UConn doesn't need Football team to compete in sports.
@@tarheel7406 I don't put a lot of stock in D-Cups because they don't count Football at all and count all sports equally. So sports like Lacrosse or Beach Volleyball that have very few teams even play them count as much as Basketball. Part of the reason schools like Stanford always rank high on it is because they basically have a sport that only 8-9 teams in California play and that is it.
Uconn's successes on the field tell a different story financially. The athletic department has had consecutive years of running multi million dollar defecits despite increases in donations and student fees. They've already had to make cuts in 4 sports that are no longer being sponsored in the last 5 years and further personnel cuts will be required in 2025.
UNC doesn’t dictate shit. You don’t call the shots. You think conferences give a shit what UNC wants to do? 🤣 get a grip, you don’t make rules, you follow them
I’m a state fan and have enjoyed over the years the ECU games… It amazes me how unc branding/PR Function have Conned the CFB world into thinking that unc is a wondrous, CFB blueblood, while their poor cousins like ecu and ncsu live in fear. In reality as far as other CFB teams in NC think- unc is a fb FAKE. Yet these non-nc talking heads and fb blog casts Jack up unc as a prime and coveted fb target for sec or Big10. What a joke.
Another 15 years and possibly sooner they will not have worry about playing in State teams, they will all fold anyways as media money gets funnelled into the top 2 conferences and those remaining will fold unless the donors/alumni pony up and supplement the sports budgets.
My dream scenario is UNC and NCSU landing in opposing P2 conferences. That would be delicious. If only one can make the cut, that is better than none. A suicide pact will not bring economic benefit the state of NC. The bill would place a bit of inflexibility to the chosen one's scheduling options, but probably not enough to torpedo the deal. I would like to see the in-state rivalries continue. Then again, there is maybe a chance that one of the P2 would take state to get Carolina. Seems like they want the Heels pretty bad. Maybe Carolina will save the wuff pack after all. That would be swell.
NCSU Will end up being a big fish in a very little pond. There's nothing appealing about them. No major conference is going to give the Wolf Pack second thought. As soon as Carolina leaves the, ACC they will forget NCSU exist.
I don’t think it will factor into the equation. CFB and the P2 have very rapidly evolved into multibillion dollar a year entertainment industries. There are now two interconnected metrics that determine the value of a candidate school: Viewership and revenue generation. Want proof? The B1G rejected Cal and Stanford and took Oregon, who is next to last in the B1G academically. Why? You have to ask? The SEC wanted Texas and Oklahoma strictly for both viewership and revenue generation. Nothing else matters now no matter how much some people live in denial. Neither P2 is going to take a school unless it can make them even more money.
@@505premoto, the SEC has expanded to 16 teams, with each team playing 8 conference games, however if the SEC expands to 20 teams, then each team will have to play 12 conference games. And UNC wouldn't get to play NC State or any other non-conference games.
John: You are 100% spot on. The fact you hear no complaints from UNC & ( or) Democrats speaks volumes. This is about giving something to NC St and “Greasing the Political Skids” by giving something to App St, Charlotte & ECU. As for UNC, my take is a “Quid Pro Quo” where the SEC/ESPN gets what they want ( UNC & UVA) and the Big 10/Fox get what they want ( Clemson & FSU).
I would hate to lose a cupcake like UNC on our football schedule.
We lost to a cupcake like Duke last season
Over the last decade plus UNC is 0-3 vs ECU by a combined score of 166-90.
Lawmakers had to get involved because they were to scared to schedule us lol
if im a nc state fan ans unc leaves i wouldnt want to play them ever again
That's probably what Tx Tech feels like now that Texas left. Understandable.
NC State doesn't have a rival the way they feel about UNC though. While UNC wants to beat duke and uva each year. State wants to beat UNC, they'll just want to do it more. Its their biggest game of the year
Appalachian State Football Is Every Bit is Good As UNC Football and Could Take Their Place, Along With James Madison and Mabey Costal Carolina or Liberty! 🕵️♂️
I read this completely differently. I'm a NC State alum and have lived in NC my whole life. I've heard lots about this from local sources, and they all say they don't expect the bill to pass. It's mostly about messaging. However, if it does pass, I actually think it would more than likely bind NC State and Carolina. Not because we have to play each other every year, but because of those other games, and the elephant in the room for UNC; their rivalry with Duke. If they leave the ACC, they not only put their rivalry with State in jeopardy, but they also put their rivalry with Duke in peril. For UNC, State is the rival they have to have, Duke is the rival they choose to have. I imagine that UNC will still at least want play Duke once a year in basketball. I honestly believe they'd still probably play each other twice a year in basketball. You know ESPN wants that; they love that rivalry. I bet Duke will want UNC to play them in other sports as well and may hold the basketball rivalry hostage to do so. If that were to happen and UNC was playing State once, Duke twice, and one of the G5 NC schools for another game, that four of your non-conference basketball games gone. Plus, if they had to play all 3 in football, that's all of your non-conference football games gone (assuming they go a conference playing 9 conference games). Scheduling would be a nightmare for the Heels. As such, it's my opinion that the easiest thing for UNC is to move with either NC State or Duke. If this law were to pass, it would almost make it mandatory that they do to preserve any scheduling freedom. Again, I don't believe the bill will pass, but I also believe that whether it does or not, UNC will probably need to bring either State or Duke with them to protect the rivalry they & ESPN want (Duke) and the rivalry they know they can't escape (NCSU). Plus, there's still Wake to consider in this as well. It's definitely going to be messy regardless.
😂 Iowa Hawkeyes and Iowa State and northern Iowa have to play each other and they are not in the same conference
really does Iowa play them or does a P4 school need to play them?
Iowa rarely plays UNI anymore I don't think we play them until 2027. I wish we didn't play ISU
@@kylepatrick5252 damn what's with the ISU hate?
Every state should play their in state schools it benefits states local enconimes and builds excitement like I hope Marshall and West Virginia play each other every year
It does not bring a single nickel from outside of the state. Monumentally dumb.
Someone at NC needs to come out and say that politicians will not tell us whom we will play. We will make our own schedule.
The 2024 will be played as scheduled. We will see how Clemson’s case comes out. The ACC’s request for the 2nd Circuit Appeals Court to intervene before a judgement has taken place will be denied.Then someone should inform how unique the 2nd Judicial Circuit Court operates with State, Local, and some Federal issues. The 2nd Judicial Circuit Court judgment will go straight to the State of Florida Supreme Court. The 2nd Judicial Appeals Court will pick up this case. After a judgement it will automatically go to the State of Florida Supreme Court may choose not to pick up the Case.
ive noticed you only cover the east coast 85 percent of the time. Nothing going on there?
Decades ago the FL legislature was going to do something similar with UF and FSU. The FL Governor stepped in and stopped it to allow the two schools to simply agree with each other without legislation. Of course, they were not in the same conference like UNC and NCState.
They should’ve made it law cause UF will weasel out like they did against Miami
The big two would benefit from unccheat being there as they have another charming-soft FB to schedule for homecoming. The good teams can’t all schedule Northwestern and Vandy for homecoming
Clueless as to the big picture. All of the top football talent will go to the eventual P2 schools causing a parity effect. That's why the tentpoles are consolidating.
Our(Northwestern) record on other's homecomings is surprisingly good. One year we were 4-0 on homecoming.
The days of us being a guaranteed win have been gone for about 30 years.
Only tOSU and Michigan can pen a W in against us, but then again they can pen a win again almost everybody else in the conference also.
@richardhead-sw2qc The balance between academics, revenue sports, and olympic sports is an issue that each school handles differently. I can only speak as a Northwestern alumnus, donor, and season ticket holder and my preferences. My preference is drop football if we start paying the players directly and they become employees not students. Your response was out of left field as I was exposing the false narrative that the modern Northwestern football is awful. Our record over the past 30 years indicates we are at least B1G middle-of-the-pack.
As for UGA, if it were on the board I'm sure it would receive a B1G invite regardless of AAU status. I have argued against GaTech, but will almost never argue against athletics membership of the flagship university of decent sized states.
@richardhead-sw2qc Both have made some stupid decisions in recent years. I will miss Chicagoland when I move in a 5-ish years.
State legislators getting involved in the NCAA college football mess is not going to help anything. I think we already knew that.
Bottom line is why would Big12 care about unc,ncsu goin or not to a p2. These Big12 shows are doing everything they can to help destabilize the Acc and let Yarmouk feast. after Acc teams just like he did the Pac12. Their narrative is that unc by itself magically jumps to sec , thus initiating the Acc mass exodus of teams. So any narrative that prevents or considerably delays a unc exit works against Yarmouck feasting there. The state of NC tourism bureau working with Acc to supply serious $ and a lot of stability also keeps unc in a revitalized Acc.
UNC Lawyered up before Florida State University & Clemson. It should be noted that FSU & UF have played each other in every sport without ever being in the same conference. Yet, the Rivals in the Sunshine Showdown are fierce. In many ways FSU may pick on UF, but isn’t with anyone else doing so. UF may pick on FSU, but isn’t with anyone else causing too much trouble. The hidden card for FSU & then Clemson has been UNC. Back when the Commissioner’s for the B1G & the SEC: They did some horse trading with their Networks input already known. B1G/FOX wanted Florida State & SEC/ESPN wanted UNC. The SEC had already approved lifting the home & home boycott of FSU with Alabama @ Florida State in 2025 & FSU @ Alabama in 2026, next Georgia @ Florida State in 2027 & FSU @ Georgia in 2028. Those are on the books already scheduled. They certainly played you get, I get John. I’m your favorite Seminole, Timothy in Tallahassee. I am not concerned about AAU Status, I expect AAU Status will come at the same time, should Florida State University receives a invitation to join the B1G. Florida State University has planned for multiple circumstances.
How would it make that much more $ for the state of NC? All the additional $ would go to UNC athletics.
Seriously?
You suck at economic and insight.
Kansas leaving the conference without Kansas State.
Had UCLA signaled they were going to leave then they would've been in the exact same mess or worse. The Cal-Tax is a small price to pay for their freedom and will properly be reduced/eliminated over time. UNC and UVA only have themselves to blame for getting into this mess. They had a window to jump to any conference 10 years ago and didn't take it. Now both have lost direct control over their futures. Unlike UVA, UNC is basically being held hostage by a rogue legislature in all matters. All of this to protect a couple of basketball games a year with Duke and be the king of a dying kingdom? I can't wait to read the behind the scenes on how these poor decisions were made one day.
Why repeat this silly claim already rebutted elsewhere? Yet another example of your inability to be corrected or adjust due to new info, missed angles, etc.
@@tarheel7406 It hasn't been rebutted elsewhere. If so, please cite your sources like you failed to do when discussing PSU. You simply have a difference of opinion as an ACC/UNC fan.
You're still making claims that directly contradict members of the UNC Board of Trustees. You even posted on another channel that YOU underestimated the involvement of the NC government. How is that possible when this was anticipated for at least a year?
Just stop. It was no secret to Cal that UCLA was planning to leave the Pac 12. Cal and UCLA literally have the same Board of Regents.
@@clintlewis1715 Uh, if it wasn't a secret then why all of the legislative AFTER the fact?
Very weak consolation prize so that is not what is behind this. This is more for ECU and others or possibilities
I love how all these teams keep citing that without money, they can't complete but UConn has just won back-to-back titles in Men's Basketball, made FF in Women's Bball, and advanced to super regionals beating OU in Baseball. Seems like UConn doesn't need Football team to compete in sports.
UCONN isn't a D-Cup competitor. It has never finished Top 10.
@@tarheel7406 I don't put a lot of stock in D-Cups because they don't count Football at all and count all sports equally. So sports like Lacrosse or Beach Volleyball that have very few teams even play them count as much as Basketball. Part of the reason schools like Stanford always rank high on it is because they basically have a sport that only 8-9 teams in California play and that is it.
Uconn's successes on the field tell a different story financially. The athletic department has had consecutive years of running multi million dollar defecits despite increases in donations and student fees. They've already had to make cuts in 4 sports that are no longer being sponsored in the last 5 years and further personnel cuts will be required in 2025.
UNC doesn’t dictate shit. You don’t call the shots. You think conferences give a shit what UNC wants to do? 🤣 get a grip, you don’t make rules, you follow them
I’m a state fan and have enjoyed over the years the ECU games… It amazes me how unc branding/PR Function have Conned the CFB world into thinking that unc is a wondrous, CFB blueblood, while their poor cousins like ecu and ncsu live in fear. In reality as far as other CFB teams in NC think- unc is a fb FAKE. Yet these non-nc talking heads and fb blog casts Jack up unc as a prime and coveted fb target for sec or Big10. What a joke.
Politicians are the🎉ones that follow.
Sounds as if they are going to be picked from the ACC , that’s a package deal .
I don't want us to be like Washington State, and Oregon State. If the Big 10, or SEC doesn't take us I want us to get a Big 12 invite
Another 15 years and possibly sooner they will not have worry about playing in State teams, they will all fold anyways as media money gets funnelled into the top 2 conferences and those remaining will fold unless the donors/alumni pony up and supplement the sports budgets.
Then eventually the top 2 conferences will fail. All this realignment is a huge error.
My dream scenario is UNC and NCSU landing in opposing P2 conferences. That would be delicious. If only one can make the cut, that is better than none. A suicide pact will not bring economic benefit the state of NC. The bill would place a bit of inflexibility to the chosen one's scheduling options, but probably not enough to torpedo the deal. I would like to see the in-state rivalries continue.
Then again, there is maybe a chance that one of the P2 would take state to get Carolina. Seems like they want the Heels pretty bad. Maybe Carolina will save the wuff pack after all. That would be swell.
Star of Carolina ain't going for that and I live in NY and know that another round of bad info
NCSU Will end up being a big fish in a very little pond. There's nothing appealing about them. No major conference is going to give the Wolf Pack second thought. As soon as Carolina leaves the, ACC they will forget NCSU exist.
Maybe both schools are tired of being in the same conference. State could have a new identity not being tied to its big brother.
The SEC and the B1G won't want UNC with these rules/mandates.
I don’t think it will factor into the equation. CFB and the P2 have very rapidly evolved into multibillion dollar a year entertainment industries. There are now two interconnected metrics that determine the value of a candidate school: Viewership and revenue generation. Want proof? The B1G rejected Cal and Stanford and took Oregon, who is next to last in the B1G academically. Why? You have to ask? The SEC wanted Texas and Oklahoma strictly for both viewership and revenue generation. Nothing else matters now no matter how much some people live in denial. Neither P2 is going to take a school unless it can make them even more money.
@@505premoto, the SEC has expanded to 16 teams, with each team playing 8 conference games, however if the SEC expands to 20 teams, then each team will have to play 12 conference games. And UNC wouldn't get to play NC State or any other non-conference games.
If UNC leaves the ACC they will have an invite from the SEC the next day...probably B1G too.
@@dturner1160 How exactly would they get out on their own? Aren’t they totally dependent on FSU/CU breaking down the door?
John: You are 100% spot on. The fact you hear no complaints from UNC & ( or) Democrats speaks volumes. This is about giving something to NC St and “Greasing the Political Skids” by giving something to App St, Charlotte & ECU. As for UNC, my take is a “Quid Pro Quo” where the SEC/ESPN gets what they want ( UNC & UVA) and the Big 10/Fox get what they want ( Clemson & FSU).
What is it giving NCSU? Nothing at all. This is to something to throw a bone to NCSU.
this is not something to throw a bone to NCSU
This whole realignment bullshit is annoying. Everybody reporting dumb shit 499x a day 🙄
UNC would be a fool to align themselves with NCSt. NCSt has no business in the SEC or BIGTEN. UNC needs to do what’s best for them.
You are reading too much into this... This is not foreshadowing of anything, but politics during an election season.
Bill won't pass. Next topic
Then you must be a member of the NC State legislature then, right?
@@jeh58 yep. Told you.