Is this a TRAVEL?! The Step Through | JQ Basketball Training
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- Is this a TRAVEL? Basketball Players have debated this rule for decades and I’m finally here to resolve it. Comment below what you think!
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That’s a travel. It says jump off pivot foot, you didn’t jump off your pivot foot, you used your non pivot foot to jump. So how can you jump off pivot foot? Either use your pivot solo or jump off both feet at the same time.
By the definition you posted you are traveling. It says “neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released”. Which on your “step through” your non-pivot foot is hitting the ground before you shoot (because you jumped). The main issue here and with many players now is they do a hop through rather than a step through. When you hop from your pivot your other foot hitting the ground before you jump a second time to shoot. You don’t receive a free extra step by a magical rule like people think, you are simple stepping through and shooting a normal shot like you would if you shot a jump shot. Players often confuse what a step through means and treat it like a 1-2 step you would take on a fast brake where both steps are essentially jumps.
Edit: I see a few people confused with the point I was trying to make. To actually visualize it go to 0:31 and put the video in slo-mo and pause in the middle of his step through. You can clearly see he jumped off the pivot rather than moving it after the non-pivot was placed. This is the most common error I see with step-throughs and the one in this video is not that obvious compared to people I see doing it in pick-up. Just watch a video of TJass or other people do it and the jump off of the pivot is much clearer.
Yep, that's exactly how it reads.
are ya'll literally special ed? when he lifts the pivot foot and lays the ball up his foot doesn't hit the ground first. like there has to be something wrong with ya'll lol
I was thinking exactly the same. He didn't even comprehend the rule correctly.
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By that interpretation, any time you lifted your non-pivot foot and placed it back on the ground, that would be a travel
Do you see the part where it says “to pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand”
Exactly, the rule states you have to jump off of your pivot foot. He jumped off of his non-pivot foot... travel. The rule also states that neither foot can return to the floor after lifting/jumping off your pivot foot. He returned his non-pivot foot after lifting his pivot... travel.
@@oscarm7619he didnt jump off his pivot dummy. his lifted his pivot and jumped off with hit step through foot. learn the diff between jumping off and lifting one foot
"HE MAY" thats the keyword. Its saying that whatever leg you choose to jump from, neither one is allowed to land bac on the floor with the ball still in hand. In saying that, once you establish a pivot foot, your allowed ONE step with non pivot foot - meaning you can step through with your non pivot & jump, lifting established pivot off the ground (now both feet in the air at this time) BUT neither foot is allowed to come bac down & touch the floor while ball is still in hand.
Does it make it easier to understand?
@@sorunaz he LIFTED IT off the ground, that counts as the jump. It doesn't matter if you're actually jumping, it only matters if you lift the pivot foot, which he did. At which point you have to pass or shoot before either foot returns to the ground
@@user-ze3sg6ix1u thats not true. firstly jumping and lifting is completely different where jumping u have no foot on the ground and lifting u have your other foot on the ground. secondly you have to release it before your pivot foot reaches the ground. EVEN if u say either foot, his step through foot and pivot foot was on the ground at same time before he lifted his pivot. look up an up and under or kobe shimmy if u need to
If 0:33 complies with the pivot foot rule 25.2.1, then the first person on the 3 on 3 offensive team to get the ball and prepare to start can step on the non-pivot foot at any time and any where without dribbling ,then the pivot foot leaves the ground. Because of this At that time, he was also in the rule 25.2.1. Don’t you think it’s ridiculous?
you got me questioning if that "jump stop" is an up and down 😭.
i never seen anyone grasp the ball and leave both feet-- let alone STILL taking an extra step after the way you stopped.
You are allow to take a step through after you take two steps as long as the step through is your non pivot foot. For example when you take 2 steps, your first step is the pivot foot and the 2nd step come down but that 2nd step can be use as a step through. In his case he come to a stop with both foots on the ground at the same time (which count as a 2 steps) so his pivot foot can be either or and his step through can be his left or right foot.
In what world does another step come after taking 2 steps and its legal. Just think about wut u said. He can take a stwp in his example bc both fewt are neutral, and a pivot was never established UNTIL he stepped thru. That's why that play is legit.
You're counting a step twice there to get to 3 though.
A 1-2 stop makes foot 1 the pivot. Let's say you then pivot a few times, moving foot 2 around. Lifting foot 1 to jump off foot 2 isn't another step, it's the same step you've been taking while pivoting. The main point is that talking about "steps" is really imprecise, and so the NCAA and NFHS rules talk about feet being lifted and returned to the floor, and how the pivot foot is defined. "Step" appears in those rules only once, and it doesn't say "you get two."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_(basketball)
It's all clearly explained here th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IFzNiV43NOuiUC-C
You're really missing out on using and appreciating one of the great old-school moves th-cam.com/video/estcgd8paWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZWuIgf0sq0zGIe0n
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According to FIBA rules it is a travel. They clearly state that "the player may JUMP off a pivot foot"... The NBA rules make a clumsy mistake of saying the player may "LIFT" the pivot foot making this rule legal in NBA. Very illogical according to rules surrounding pivoting but until NBA changes that rull from "lifting" to "jumping" it is not a travel in USA.
No a simple Google will tell you a step through is very legal in Fiba
I agree… If we’re reading the rules correctly it says the pivot foot can be lifted for a shot or a pass. It doesn’t say a step then a shot or a pass.
@@damonmccray85 If it's not written that you can't, then it's not a violation.
"to pass or shoot field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from hand(s)". Quote from FIBA rulebook. So IT IS a travel
@@natansalheb7728 but it is written… in FIBA RULEBOOK 😂
I don't understand how "lifting your pivot foot" is not "changing your pivot foot" tho, which is an automatic travel. As soon as you lift it, the opposite leg becomes the planted (pivot) foot.
Otherwise, I figure they've just legalized traveling.
0:50 The BOTTOM rule says NEITHER foot can return to floor.
By your moves, the step foot is on the floor! NO foot can be on the floor.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH FEET IN THE AIR
There we go!! Settles it all really
Neither foot can return to the floor AFTER you pick up your foot. His non-pivot foot was on the floor BEFORE he lifted his pivot foot
@@BB-rh2mlit wasn’t. Go to 0:31 put it in slo-mo/pause it. Would’ve been legal if non-pivot was planted before he lifted the pivot.
@@Goldenj360 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Goldenj360 That's called walking
slight variation: can you step your free foot out, lift your pivot foot, but then just stay on the ground with your 'previous' free foot and not jumping. Is this a travel?
You have to make a fluid basketball move like dribbling if you just stand on the free foot and don't attempt to shoot or pass it is a travel
@@Repetoire False: th-cam.com/video/l-Dx-zgjszU/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgyaeT9fUMhqeov6bCV4AaABAg&ab_channel=RefereeUniversity
yes you can stay like that indefinitely
Yes, it is a travel.
you can stay on that foot indefinitely. doesn’t come up much bc it’s rarely practical or helpful to do for very long because you gotta get the shot up before defense recovers anyway, not to mention the balance required. but u see it in short durations with guys like luka or slow mo
It says u cannot return either foot to the ground MEANING U HAVE STEP THROUGH AND IF U LIFT U HAVE TO DO SO AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR STEP THROUGH FOOT. Y’all reading it WRONG ABD ITS A TRAVEL LIKE I SAID
Thank you🏀
Technically since you came to a jump stop either foot can be a pivot foot and you can step through with your non-pivot foot as long as it doesn't contact the ground , so this is a clean move in HS, college and AAU. Now if you had one foot on the ground say your left hit before doing a jump stop then you would have to jump and land simultaneously, and a pivot is no longer allowed at this point.
Step through is illega, NBA is trying to change rules to accommodate the lack of skill from current and new gen players. Same thing they did with the gather like they did for LeBron. If this continues basketball will be gatekeeped and we won't have phenomenon like mugsy bogues anymore
NBA is trying to change the rules in the rulenbook if they haven't already, lol might as well play netball lmao
@@Mike-pv5vd There are 50 players in the NBA right now that are better than Bogues
If you come to a jump stop, which ever foot you lift first is your non pivot foot. Meaning if you were to lift the other foot, thay would be a travel.
In other word, after coming to a jump stop, the one foot step through is not your pivot foot. Thats how I interpret it.
It's legal at all levels: th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IFzNiV43NOuiUC-C
It's an old-school move: th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IFzNiV43NOuiUC-C
College step throughs: th-cam.com/video/nhwqwvYvbkY/w-d-xo.html@@Mike-pv5vd
I'm giving my honest opinion based on the 2023-2024 NBA Official Rules
I see your point: "Section XIII-Traveling: d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must
pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he
may not be the first to touch the ball."
I think it comes down to context and the interpretation of "RULE NO. 10-VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES: Section II-Dribble: a. A player shall not run with the ball without dribbling it."
That step you are taking (where you release your pivot foot) constitutes your first step in beginning to "run" without dribbling.
If you want to begin "running"/take that step, you MUST dribble- where "Section VIII-Pivot: b. If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before
the pivot foot is raised off the floor..." applies.
I think it really is kind of up to interpretation, which is why you see a lot of inconsistency in calls
nah.. that's weak. running means you're moving fast with multiple steps. step through happens when you stop. NBA video evidence shows it's allowed in the NBA, with the exact same wording as FIBA, i'm wondering why there's no video of fiba games where players do this.
@@josephchristopheralegre8955 I agree there is NBA footage out there. How do you quantify "moving fast" and "multiple steps" within the rulebook? I agree a step-through happens after coming to a stop. However, at what point, after stopping, would you call a travel on somebody who begins running (or moving at all, speed doesn't matter) without dribbling? Many would argue the travel should be called upon taking the first step- making the move, as described in the video, illegal
So in other words, you can hop 2 more times eith your left legs as long as you don't bring down your right pivot foot? Pivot foot is not down so according to the rule you can hop your non-pivot foot as long as you don't bring down your pivot foot.
no that’s a travel. u cant leave with ground with one foot then have that same foot return before the other foot does. lebron gets called a travel for it all the time
You came to a jump stop l...which has always been the rule. Guys today attempt to take a 1-2...stop..pivot and take ANOTHER step thru. TRAVEL!
Not if they shoot or pass before the pivot returns to the ground.
@DAizzzzyable My understanding is once a player gathers the ball & takes a 1-2-....There is no other option but to shoot or pass. Not another step.
That is a super-common misunderstanding that I used to also believe. It's not a "step", and it's not "switching pivots." The same rules apply after stopping 1-2 as apply to a regular layup.
It's an old school move: th-cam.com/video/estcgd8paWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2ILmZXcLgJW7rJcX
And it's legal at every level of basketball th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.html@@Mr.Oct___
Hey what about if you are lifting your pivot foot BEFORE the other foot touches the floor on the step through ?
TRAVELING
@@rogerhuang9760NBA rulebook section XIII, paragraph d
If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
Like a running step? Also Legal.
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thxxx for the vids🐐 everybody at the park are saying that this is travel when im doing a step trough😂😂
Yessir!! No travel!
Because it is. Lol
It’s without a doubt traveling. Show the boys this video at the park and you’ll probably get beat up
i always get confused on how to step through cuz i feel awkward using my pivot after i stop
For me it feels awkward just doing 1 step instead of a normal 2 stles
Well ur not supposed to use ur Pivot. Keep the pivot planted step through with ur other foot and shoot or pass before u move that pivot
I think it’s a misinterpretation of the rule because then you have to forget about the fact that you can’t change your pivot.. because in this example you are saying you CAN change your pivot long as you shoot or pass before you put it back down. If you not stepping through it’s an obvious travel.. I also think this came about because ppl think a step through and jumping off 2 feet is the same as picking up the pivot.
Correct !
Not changing your pivot foot. Not misinterpreted th-cam.com/video/vCbAtpVNxjw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RefereeUniversity
nope, its comes from the wrong notion that lifting the pivot foot replaces the pivot foot
It’s astonishing that you are watching a video clearly explaining the rule and then say it’s a misinterpretation 😂 it’s the rules
"Can't change pivot foot" Is a coaches saying, not the rule itself. The pivot foot can't change, it always stays the same no matter what you do. In a "textbook" right handed layup, your pivot foot doesn't "switch" from your right foot to the left foot. The right foot continues as the pivot foot as it is lifted and you jump off your left. If that pivot foot returns to the ground without shooting or passing, that's traveling.
It's legal at all levels. You can watch officials from US High School basketball, NCAA, NBA, and FIBA explain here: th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8W1xqRMYoQIQBaDl @caoimhinyt9765
The funny thing to me is this "step through" was always a move used by scrubs when they got jammed up by a defender and had nowhere to go. Then they'd argue about the vector angle of their pivot foot and BS like that 😂
Rule 10, sec.13 of Official NBA Rulebook…4. A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot.
5. A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
IT IS A TRAVEL
It literally says “In this situation, the player MAY NOT PIVOT WITH EITHER FOOT…”. For the next thing for him to say is he is using a step as a pivot is traveling period. The second part saying “and if one or both feet leave the floor…” is describing a jump shot off one or two feet, it is not describing a “step” because that would be the definition off a pivot, which it says you cannot do a sentence before.
Many people only read the top rule, the bottom rule is the one most need to see. It states the player may jump off the pivot foot, but neither foot can hit the ground before the shot is realeased. This means the step through demonstrated is 100% a travel because the pivot is lifted and the off foot is touching the ground before the shot is released. In all aspects of the pivot you cannot lift the pivot unless youre shooting, passing, or have started a dribble. You CANNOT lift the pivot to take another step, which is what's happening in this video.
& this is where you misinterpret the rule. It means - "you may jump off the pivot" meaning - you can already jump off your non pivot but saying "may" indicates you can ALSO jump off your pivot foot too. If you lift your pivot off the ground, THAT SAID PIVOT FOOT is now not allowed to come bac down while still in possession of the ball. Its like Kobe being down in the paint spinning bac & forth on his pivot & then hitting a one legged post fade. For context, you jump off your non pivot foot to hit a one legged fadeaway - meaning you lift your pivot foot first then jump off non pivot - as he just did in this step through.
@@DatNiccaa Kobe never did this kind of move at all.
@@DatNiccaa you may jump off the pivot but neither foot may return to the ground before the shot/pass is released. That's not a misinterpretation, that is plain English telling you you cannot lift your pivot to take another step and then jump off the non pivot. That has always been a travel. Kobe does a spin fade after picking up a dribble, it's not the same footing as a step through. You have guys taking a two step gather, stopping, pivoting, and then lifting the pivot to jump off their non pivot which is literally taking a third step. It's a travel all day. The signature Dirk spin fade is closer to what you're thinking, and even then, he doesn't take 3 steps, he takes 2 and jumps from non pivot which is the same footing as a layup.
@@johnstevens2604 YOU MAY JUMP OFF PIVOT. Its saying that whatever foot you choose to jump from, neither foot must return to the floor before the ball is released. So if you lift your pivot & bring pivot bac down before releasing the ball, then its a travel. I could stand there on one leg (non pivot) for as long as im allowed aslong as i dont put ny pivot bac down before releasing the ball.
@@rogerhuang9760 well Derozan does this move all the fuccin time & he never gets called for a travel 🤷🏽♂️
Today watched this in the warriors vs Mavs game which was not called a travel 💘
I was playing a pickup game 2v2 in China a few years back and I did exactly this. This, which was taught to me by my father when I was very young and which I used CONSTANTLY in transition to fool opponents. The other team was screaming that I traveled due to lifting my pivot foot. I wish I had this video.
This video is false information
This one is better. Legal move! th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IFzNiV43NOuiUC-C
I understand what everyone is saying by as long as your pivot foot doesn’t come down before the shot it isn’t a travel. I personally believe what the rule meant and has been interpreted as for many years up until the last few years is in regards to jumping while shooting or passing. I don’t believe it meant you can use your non pivot foot as an additional step. What we used to call “up and down”. The violation is still called a travel but we used to use the terminology “up and down.” I believe that’s what the rule was referring to. There’s no way refs and the league has got it wrong for 50+ years.
I agree, cause NBA rulebook makes a clumsy mistake of using the word "lifting" instead of "jumping" like the FIBA rulebook does. In his examples he clearly isn't JUMPING of the pivot foot so in FIBA rulebook that is a travel! in NBA due tu bad translation using the word "lifting" this move is legal.
Thank you. I grew up ballin and now play with my nephews. They say no travel. But if their proof is the “allowed to lift pivot but must shoot or pass before it can come down again” rule. Im not buying it. It means you can jump to shoot or pass not take another step.
@@copitonieve100 Seeing these kids play like this is one thing, but when they say it’s always been like this is frustrating. They interpret the rule differently nowadays, and refs are told to allow it since it promotes more offense. Ratings is all that matters.
I agree
That's how you do a layup, lifting the pivot foot and stepping off of it. th-cam.com/video/vCbAtpVNxjw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RefereeUniversity
Slight variation: Can you step through, but instead of stepping, jumping off your pivot onto the other foot and going up to shoot without the pivot landing on the ground? If not, why?
For the same reason why this is traveling
@@TechCartelSF6 step through isn't a travel. You just have to pass or shoot before the pivot comes down. Also, I found the answer to my question. FIBA would call my variation a travel, but the NBA wouldn't.
@@Jimbo77789 so you tell me when the not pivot foot on the ground and pivot foot on air can you stay like that because pivot foot not on the ground you can wait like that or you can ''like'' step backish so i think nba have to look it up if its not travel it has to
@@gorkemkap8301 you just can't bring the non pivot foot back down. You have to shoot or pass from that position before your 5 seconds run out. You can only hold the ball for 5 seconds before passing or shooting in basketball.
You can't have both feet off the ground at the same time.
Steven in your video you list the actual rule. Nobody reads the rule correctly. It's a travel and here's why. In the graphic you put on the screen it says you can jump off of your pivot foot but neither foot can return to the ground before the ball is shot or passed. Neither foot. Meaning if you take a step and lift your pivot foot your off foot is on the ground so it's a travel.
You're not jumping off your pivot foot. You're lifting your pivot foot to jump for a travel.
This is fine according to rules,but the issue is when they wanna take 2 steps after the step through
FIBA 2018 Rule 25.2.1 With regard to a "player who catches the ball while standing with both feet on the floor":"To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s)." This rule says what the player "may" do, which is to jump off a pivot foot. This implies that he "may not" jump off his non-pivot foot, at least not to "pass or shoot for a field goal". Otherwise, it would have been written "the player may jump off of either his pivot foot or lift his pivot foot and jump off of his non-pivot foot". With regard to a "player who catches the ball while he is progressing, or upon completion of a dribble (my comment: once you begin pivoting you are out of the two steps scenario as you may only take two steps "upon completion of a dribble"... in other words the two steps must be the next action subsequent to "completion of a dribble"... once you pivot, two subsequent steps are no longer upon "completion of a dribble"), may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball: If the player who comes to a stop on his first step has both feet on the floor or they touch the floor, simultaneously he may pivot using either foot as his pivot foot. If he then jumps with both feet, no foot may return to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s)." Note the structure of how the rules of basketball are written. They state what you "may" do implying that you may not do other actions. "If he then jumps with both feet"... It would be absurd to say you can take any action you want if you do anything other than jump with both feet subsequently. Under this interpretation I could take 3 steps or 4... it isn't prohibited because the rule only explains that no foot may return to the floor before the ball is release if you jump off of both feet.
“They state what you “may” do implying that you may not do other actions” -> No, the rules are written to provide the exception to the rule that you can not move your pivot foot.
If they wanted to make it illegal to jump off your non-pivot foot, they would have written a rule outlawing that action.
If you watch a layup in slow motion you will see:
Pivot foot planted
Non pivot foot lifts up
Non pivot foot moves forward
Non pivot foot plants
Pivot foot lifts
Pivot foot moves forward
Non pivot foot jumps
Ball is released
Pivot foot plants
Non pivot foot plants.
Correct... that's the catching the ball "while progressing" or "upon completion of a dribble" scenario. This does not involve a single "pivot"... @@BB-rh2ml
@@therationalpiper7428 It literally is a Pivot move.
You could be standing still and holding the ball and you could still complete the exact same set of steps for a layup.
@@BB-rh2ml A standard layup... dribble, 2 steps, etc. does not utilize the first portion of the rule. You are failing to distinguish the first part of the FIBA rule that I pasted above: With regard to a "player who catches the ball while standing with both feet on the floor":"To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s)."
@@therationalpiper7428 You’re failing to understand the application of the rule.
The rule speaks to having both feet on the ground simultaneously when receiving the ball. From that position you can pick up and plant your non pivot foot as many times as you want. You can hold it up in the air as long as you want.
The term “may” is used in regards to the options a player has regarding the use of his pivot foot because his pivot foot is the subject of the rule.
No where in that rule does it state a player may NOT jump off his non-pivot foot. No where does it state a player MUST jump off his pivot foot. No where does it state a player MUST jump off of two feet.
In fact, there isn’t a single rule in any section that state you can’t jump off your non-pivot foot.
So you can take ANOTHER WHOLE ASS STEP WITHOUT DRIBBLING??? I hate basketball now!!!
There is non in the caption you put that says you are allowed to step with your non pivot and lift the pivot. All it says is after the dribble and pivot is established...you may take off and release the ball before you land. So you traveled
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You put the rule on the screen but then got it wrong yourself. The rule states the ball has to leave your hand before EITHER foot comes back down. Not just before your pivot foot comes back down.
So the travel happens the instant you lift your pivot foot. You can move your non pivot foot forward, but then BOTH feet need to leave the ground at the exact same time. Otherwise, you picking up your pivot foot and stepping forward is literally jumping but not releasing the ball.
Nah honestly the rule says u may jump off of the pivot specifically
This is a travel unless you jump off your pivot foot. He is correct in saying you have to release the ball before the pivot foot hits, BUT YOU MUST JUMP OFF YOUR PIVOT FOOT. This is by the NBA rules. In other leagues I believe this is allowed.
Here is the NBA th-cam.com/video/C3w5U7vC0w4/w-d-xo.html
You jump off your non-pivot foot every time you do a regular layup.
It's legal at all levels. You can watch officials from US High School basketball, NCAA, NBA, and FIBA explain here: th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8W1xqRMYoQIQBaDl @caoimhinyt9765
Some sour grapes in the comments here. It’s easy to see why there’s confusion because the NBA terminology is pretty vague (what exactly is a step, or lift?) and there is no rule made to address this particular move. Ultimately I think whether or not it’s a travel is based on the way the step through is done. I think a clean step through would be where you step forward with your non pivot foot, plant it and then lift your pivot foot for a shot or pass. That’s been around forever. You see it in MJ and Hakeem highlights and it’s done almost every game. Lately I’ve seen moves that are more of a “leap through”, almost a hop step from a stationary position. I would think this is a travel as you lift your pivot foot before your non pivot foot hits the ground meaning that you are technically in the air after you’ve already come to a stop, which would be a jump and not a step, similar to an up and down. Oddly enough, despite having always been called I didn’t see the up and down rule in the NBA book, so that adds to the confusion. They still call it consistently though. If you leave the ground with both feet from a stopped position after you’ve picked up your dribble and come down with the ball in your hand, that’s always been called a travel. In the first example in the video, despite looking smoother than the second, his feet are both off the floor for a split second and should be a travel but it’s so small I think you could get away with it. A lot of college and pro players can take big leaps though and that should be a travel. If it’s not a travel because of the book’s omission of the up and down rule then in theory you should also be able to take a set jumpshot and if you change your mind mid-air you could come down on your non pivot foot and pass or shoot from there as the pivot rules do not explicitly prohibit that. But of course that would always be called a travel. The FIBA rules do give some guidance on this; “To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s).” So basically I would think if you step through with the non-pivot then lift with the pivot while going up, you’re good; if you hop from your pivot to your non-pivot it’s a travel. Still can look pretty cool though and plenty of people get away with it. The way the NBA rules are worded, you could argue it’s a loophole.
Of course the pivot foot can leave the ground when it's used to jump off of. The travel happens when the player doesn't jump off the pivot foot but the other foot. IE the pivot foot is lifted before the player leaves the ground for the shot. That's a textbook travel. Problem is seem like NBA doesn't care about rules anymore. Players palm/turn the ball over on every driblle. Completely illegal. I was called for that in rec ball my entire life. Now it's legal in the NBA. No skills anymore.
The problem is most people don't perform the jump stop correctly so they already have established a pivot foot. So once they lose that pivot to take another step before jumping it's definitely a travel.
definitey a travel in US college and highschool*
Nah it’s not a travel unless they lift their pivot and place it down again. If they establish a pivot and jump off the non pivot then it’s legal
@@wat4504he just said NBA/NCAA if u ain’t know NCAA is “US Colleges”💯😭😭
@@shedrice101 where tf did he write that
💯 a travel.
A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.
A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot.
A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
It literally states if you do a jump stop you don’t even get a pivot foot.
Can you refer me to where these are in the rule book?
On a proper jump stop, you pick the ball up in the air, so can pick a pivot foot after you land on both. That's what the first line is about.
The line you're talking about doesn't describe a proper jump stop - ball is picked up with your foot still on the ground. @@rosechris9936
How can y’all read a clear sentence and STILL try to add some shit to it. YOU CANT LEAVE YOUR PIVOT FOOT AND TAKE ANOTHER STEP!
Read your bottom rule @ 59 seconds. Neither foot can touch the ground once the pivot is lifted.
That's FIBA
@@stanner6169 no - FIBA rules 2.1.8 A player may lift their pivot foot as long as they pass or shoot prior to the foot being put back on the ground.
The wording in the video is taken from FIBA 25.2.1
Most people think it's that neither foot can TOUCH the ground after the pivot foot is lifted, which is incorrect. The key here is that neither foot can RETURN to the ground. If you pivot with your right, then shift your weight onto your left in a long stride (not getting airborne in the transition from right to left), you are allowed to jump off your left because neither foot is "returning" to the floor. You can "step through" because a step has your non-pivot foot on the floor at the moment the pivot foot is raised.
Similar wording in NBA rules XIII d.: "If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must
pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor."
once he comes to a jump stop either foot can be a pivot
"may not be returned", not "touch"
That's a travel.. the rule book says it's a travel
Idk how these people don't understand the rule which has been in the league for years.
Thanks for posting this demonstration. While I understand the premise, I don't agree with present-era American basketball rule makers legalizing & legitimizing this 'step through' move. IMHO it reminds me more of a triple jump in track than a basketball play. Back in the day was almost always called a violation at many Pro & Am levels; that is, assuming the officials weren't either blind or biased (LOL). But it is what its g'on be until the rule makers choose to prohibit it, which isn't likely as long as fans clamor to see fancy low post moves and jump back (er, step back) 3-point shots...LMBO!!!
Do you agree with Kareem, Olajuwon, Mchale? It's an old-school move.
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you said allowed to step. there is no where it says you are allowed to step
What is the point of a pivot foot if I can lift it ?
Ask the FIBA and NBA rules. Ask Hakeem the dream and Michael Jordan too 😂
@@HitchProductionz1837 No, Hkeem and Jordan jump with two feet together.
@rogerhuang9760 no they did not look up mj step through or hakeem step through
Funny this guy says it’s not a travel and it’s not a debate warns refs may call it a travel. He’s talking like he wrote the rule. What a joke
what about highschool???
If you can’t move fast like that then it’s a travel.
It’s hard to say refs don’t know the rule when EVERY ref known to man used to call it a travel before dude was born.
These are from before dude was born th-cam.com/video/estcgd8paWc/w-d-xo.html
That's ridiculous. This is obvious travel. Since you land on the ground with both feet at the same time and do jump stop, of course, you can establish any foot as a pivot and get one step with the other, but you cannot lift the foot you decided as pivotal from the floor later. Otherwise, this would be a move that is clearly against the most basic of basketball (that is, you cannot lift your pivotal foot off the ground) and there will be no difference between a travel and a regular move. The line between travel and legal becomes blurred. So, in your case, after jump stop and pick your left foot as pivotal, you can only spin around, move to the left or right or back but never jump even on this foot. You should jump on both feet.
Unfortunately, the young generation I've been watching and playing with in North America today constantly does this and claims that there is no travel. Even though they take two steps after stopping and establishing their feet, let alone taking a single step, they still claim that this is not travel. However, after stopping, you can never take two steps like going to a regular layup.
Again, due to this wrong approacah, they do not understand that the three-pointers they take by taking sideways and backward steps are travels. So many young fellas make three pointers by going sideways or backward with to steps, which is doubtlessly travel and against the core of the game. Yes, they can make three pointers with two steps but on condition that finishing on the one foot like as it is in regular lay up. But they always get two steps and shoot on two feet.
Dude you can pivot as many times as you want.
What the hell do you think a one foot layup is. Is a step through
My man already traveling before the stop. and than travels agaoin. somehow u managed to do a double travel and try to call it a step trough
You have to jump with both feet.
Thanks for the video, Steve Kerr
100% travel because you are changing your pivot foot. After the step through, you have to jump with both feet. What you are doing is changing your pivot during the process.
If your video is legal, so I can lift my pivot and use another foot--------slide slide slide. hahaha funny.
If you cant do the foot stepthrough then you cant do a one foot step though eather.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_(basketball) This is a great reference to this video. The move is OK in NBA, NCAA, and FIBA.
This move is okay in every league. And theres a couple of misleading lines in that wikipedia page btw
Step thru used to be jump off both feet. Kobe did it a million times. Same with d rose.
not true…hakeem olajuwon used to do this all the time
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at 58 seconds is an example of
@@kevinveguilla4121 hakeem olajuwon, that step is only a little bit different, but it is still legal and will be regarded as an up and down step.
if such is legal. it will be hard to defend because of the mommentum and fake...
Defense is definitely a challenge in basketball!
I didn't it someone get madd.they didn't know it's clean move
Not travel!! He CAN lift his pivot foot up but he has to shoot the ball before the pivot foot lands. The other guy is wrong in this case.
Step through have two kinds: 1. up and under---legal , 2 Chinese soma---illegal, this video is just like Chinese soma---illegal.
What about other parts of the world and FIBA rules?
They say you can JUMP off the pivot foot, they dont say LIFT. So basically you have to push off from the pivot foot which is logical according to other pivot rules, making this move TRAVELLING.
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You say NCAA and NBA... however, unless you are that good, you are playing by fiba rules which are different. Having said year, I still don't see this move in NCAA
High School and NCAA traveling rules are almost the same, and that's what most pickup games are using, at least in the US.
FIBA and NBA traveling rules are almost the same
It's a legal move in all of them. th-cam.com/video/qcHVhe9aYoE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IFzNiV43NOuiUC-C
It's a very common move in the NCAA: th-cam.com/video/nhwqwvYvbkY/w-d-xo.html
Keep your pivot foot on the ground while stepping through!
Wrong. That’s a travel lol you can’t lift your pivot foot with your other foot on the ground. Both feet must be off the ground hinge you must be in the air. The only way you can perform the layup you did is if your pivot foot is the one on the ground.
Look at Dirk one leg shot and you’ll see it’s off his pivot foot.
0:52 it doesn’t say step
The Luka Travel.
JQ....are those ur first and middle initials? I'm a JQ as well. James Quentin.
Re-read the rule, you can lift the pivot foot to shoot, but NEITHER foot can touch the ground after the pivot foot is lifted, which you clearly do in this demonstration. A legal step through is when you jump with both feet at the same time, just like any other jump shot.
traveling----When you lift your pivot foot, don't forget that your other foot is on the ground.
The step through has always been a travel . The rule book is simply stating you can jump or pass off your pivot and the ball must be released before before landing . No where does it say you can lift and take an extra step
you are incorrect
How is a 2 step layup allowed then ?
@@renwhite1809 You’re off-topic
@@shonl7445 changing your pivot has been a travel since basketball was invented. A proper step through you must step and jump off both feet.
@@teria131 he never changed his pivot.
Or just land with one leg lol
Lol that’s a travel
that is not a step through.
To do an actual step through you have to jump off both feet
That’s not true, you just have to land on both feet before the step through. I’m assuming that’s what you meant to say.
@@The0nlyy not at all. Once you land on both feet, but take that step forward you establish a pivot foot so with 1 foot forward and 1 foot back you have to jump off both feet and not switch pivot foot
@@teria131 Lifting your pivot is allowed in any league. Read the rulebooks
@@wat4504reading, and comprehension is Key. No one is referring to the lifting. He comes to a jumpstart. While he is stepping forward, his right leg is planted making it is pivot foot, because he’s allowed to move his left . But once he plants his left and lifted his right, his pivot feet became his left, meaning he switched pivots, which is a travel
@@teria131switched pivots?
This ain’t what dudes be doing though lol
Pick up a real sport
In NBA this is not a travel; in FIBA this IS a travel.
Actually it isnt a travel in fiba either, section 25.2.1 "to pass or shoot for a field goal the player may jump off a pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hands"
@@yagaara7773 lol...please note: "jump off" pivot foot, not 'lift', not 'raise' as in NBA rule.
And in this video, it's not a "jump off pivot foot", it's a 'lift'.
Fully agree in old days you can't never lift your pivot foot and use the other one to jump... should be travel all day long.
I did a step through today and got called for a travel🥲