Yanagisawa vs P Mauriat
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- Just bought a "new" (2013) horn - P. Mauriat PMXT-066RUL!
This is a comparison with my old horn, a 1994 Yanagisawa T900 with its lacquer removed.
Mouthpiece: Jody Jazz HR 8*, Ligature: François Louis UL, Reed: Rico Select Jazz 3 M Unfiled.
Music: St Thomas by Sonny Rollin, Aebersold Play a long.
Beautiful sound of both
Both are great...Mauriat broader, throaty, and the Yani clearer, more focused and, just to my ears, more expressive and better intonation. But I am biased and accustomed to Yani's, since I have played a T991 for about twenty years and absolutely love it. I can pick them out in blind tests sometimes and it surprises me. Somehow, I just love the sound of Yani's...some call it vanilla ice cream, but I love vanilla ice cream, because you can add your own toppings and mix in fruits and nuts and make it anything you like. That is why I love the Yani.
goinxnginx same here.
they sound the same..its the player that makes the sound
Frankie Gray *the setup a master player is useless with the wrong setup
The Yanagisawa is clearly brighter and shimmers more.
The PM is darker and muffled.
An unexperienced horn can notice no difference
Not for me, the Yana sounds more flat and the Mauriat much warmer. Bit like the Eastman 52 street
@@ikeeichenberg9068 huh?
I had to laugh when you said that the old horn was from 1994....
my horn is a 1935 King Zephyr Tenor saxophone... the first year of series 1
It’s built like a tank and has beautiful Art Deco accents. It weighs a little more than most horns, and the keys are really hard to bend. When I got it, it was a closet queen and hadn’t been played since the 1930’s. 95% of the lacquer is still on...
Great horn... after reading a lot of your comments about your horn, i wish hear you perform anything on this King Zephir. Please, let us hear his sound. Regards.
Both are super close in my ears. In my opinion, this proves that it matters more about the player than the saxophone, reed, or mouthpiece you play on.
Yes, the sound is mostly mouthpiece and reed and, of course, the player. In many instances, the saxophone itself will stand out only if it's out of tune.😉
I couldn't tell the difference. You sounded great on both.
Too close to call in my view. The mouthpiece and reed are probably doing most of the sound production.
Good comparison!
the Mauriat has a nicer and sweeter sound than the Yanagisawa. Perhaps the yanagisawas as well as the yamahas work well and are great instruments but they lack the subtlety and the velvety that many Taiwanese saxophones achieve, especially the 66 RUL, perhaps these are the closest to the great American saxophones, conn, buescher, etc.
But as in many other areas, "made in Japan" continues to have a greater psychological burden than "Made in Taiwan"
Yanagisawa is “hand made in Japan”,they are, according to many including legendary repairman Matt Stohrer, some of the finest saxophones made, period. The Yani here has a more focused, modern tone versus the overly spread, excessively dark, tubby tone of the Mauriat. The real psychological burden is among players trying to convince themselves that paying Selmer Paris/Yanagisawa money for a made in Taiwan saxophone is a wise course of action. 😂
I prefer the sound of the Yanagisawa in this video. Great sound Erik!
Yana sounds more like Rollins. More overtones and colors. Mauriat also fine, but maybe more focused, but also a little more dull...
I prefer the Yani. I like the crispness, as well as the intonation of the "jumps"(the C# to D, for example)
i perfer the pmauriat... something about it is just amazing
I own a 66 R tenor , it’s a great horn
Yani hands down.
I can hear a slight “muffle” inside the mauriat. Definitely a fan of the yani
As sax player since 48 years I would agree. The Mauriat sounds fine, but ever so slightly muffled compared to the Yani, which in turn sounds slightly more open and free blowing.
Mauriat all the way! I play the PMXT-66GL with a Guardala King slung on the end and it's a beast!!!!
For me The Yanaguisawa ! Good play, Thank's !
TIKO DE LA VEGA Yanagisawa
Nice playing. Good editing. Liked the sound of both.
‘94 isn’t an “old” horn. I’ve got a ‘73 MkVI Tenor and a 30’s Cigar Cutter alto. That’s an old horn. She’s retired now and System 76 is doing her job.
This must surely be the only proper comparative assessment ever. Congratulations on a very clever and well thought out protocol so elegantly and brilliantly executed. All comparative performance tests must in future be exclusively based on this most excellent and accurate and brutally forthright protocol Incidentally the results of this test were totally unexpected and actually astoundingly so. A test based on your protocol gas lighting the difference in sound of a true full bodied sound and a modern so called bright sound such a test would I think be intensely appreciated by saxophone aficionados and I for one would hopefully be looking forward to such in the near future. Congratulations again for a most brilliantly designed and flawlessly executed comparative performance assessment. I wish you the best in all things.
Wow, great words! Huge thanks! 🙏😊
Dear Mr Erik,
Thank you for your reply, There was not one word of overkill in my comments on your totally accurate comparative assessment. As a brilliant exponent of the saxophone, I would be greatly appreciative if you could state , what in your considered and tested opinion is the horn with the fullest body sound, not contingent upon the player’s skill. I am not any sort of saxophonist and have been using a Conn which was in the very old days, considered the gold standard vis a vis a full body sound.Sadly this instrument is quite beyond repair and I have gone through two Selmer VIs, one Keilwerth and cannot adapt to the thin body sound of these so called world leaders. So among the modern instruments which in your actual playing experience do you consider that with a really full body sound and with nothing else mattering. Thank you.
@@erikjaensson
Great playing! I like the Yani better, it sounds kind of more focused. I have a T 880
Yanagawswa for the win. The other one seemed “processed”
I had the same neck strap 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm falling in love with the mauriats that's probably why this video came across my feed cheers good stuff pal
Thanks! 😊 The strap was a quick fix since I forgot my ordinary one. It’s the carrying strap for the Protec gig bag. Not that comfy... 😂
Both are very pleasing to the ears. I like the cleanness of the Yani but also the softness of the Mauriat.
Mauriat! The 'Les Paul' of the Sax world, rich dark and mellow like good chocolate, yum. :-)
The Yanagisawa sounds the best to my ears.
I like the Yanagisawa better
I may be biased but I prefer the Mauriat. I have this same horn and love it. The Yani is great too and so close. Ive owned Yanis before ,991 and bronze model tenors. The yani does sound a little crisper and punchier but still prefer the Mauriat!
The Yani sounds a little more like the mark vi than the Mauriat does. The lacquer removal has changed the tone quite a bit for the better. Better edge and focus.
Yanagisawa is the superior horn in sound and build quality. But they both sound great.
Gorgeous sounding horns , the Mauriat has the edge bolder warmer sound in my humble opinion
Both sound great, like a good ol' Mark VI!
Hey brow, great tune!! I'd pick Yani for sure!! If you wanted something darker as you said in a comment down here, I think it was the case of finding another combination of mouthpiece and reed...That"s what I'm just trying to do now with new horn, an alto Yani S 800!! Just amazed with the tune!!! But P. M is great as well...
Great stuff. Both great horns. Loved both. Just love that tune too. Thanks for posting.
I love both horns but more interested into the p mauriat
Yanagisawa is the winner here, IMHO
Yani shines more, but as you said it's your old horn therefore you are more comfortable on it 👍
initally i thought the yani sounded better but once you pushed the 66r the sound becomes richer...
Exactly
I like the P. Mauriat because of the warmer and fuller sound. Yanagasiwa is a bit bright
I prefer the sound of the Yani. The P. Mauriat sounds a little duller where the Yani gives you a wider spectrum of sound if that makes any sense. You sound like you on both of them though.
For me - the winner is Yanagisawa.
They don't sound that different here. I expected the Yana to sound painfully bright. Very close... So maybe it comes down to whether you have a bias to a sax made in Taiwan or Japan.
Paul Muriat sounds darker. And Yanagisawa has may be the best mechanism. I like both
Yani projected a bit more and a tad brighter which may appeal to some more modern players but I felt that the PM could bring the lows better for all the old timers. As long as the PM was easy to play I would go with it. Both excellent horns and wonderful playing. That’s a hard song to solo to.
YANAGISAWA!!! 👍
I like the yanagisawa by far!!!
The Mauriat sounded a but subdued, laid back while the Yani was more direct and focused. Pretty close in sound altogether. I would like to hear them compared playing a ballad; this piece favors the Yani because of the style, I bet the Mauriat was be awesome on blues and ballads.
Can you share the sheet music for this please
This is such a great demo... they both sound great .. Which one was more enjoyable to play?
Thank you Jonathan! Tough question... I think I felt more comfortable on the Yani since it was the sax I played on the latest 20+ years, but at the same time I really enjoyed the power and stability that the P Mauriat gave me. And now, a couple of years later, I haven’t regret the switch. The Yani has mostly been lying in the case since this moment.
@@erikjaensson Thanks for the response I have been a Yamaha and vintage king player...4ever... and I really want to try what other makers have to offer... I have narrowed it to Yani or P Mauriat... Thanks again for the comparison.
I closed my eyes and could identify the differences immediately, I like the P. Mauriat better, the yanagisawa is too bright for my taste
I like Yana more! It sounds more professional!
Question Erik: did you have the lacquer remove from the Yani? If so, was that on purpose i.e. to get a darker punchier sound? Because now the Yani approaches the Mauriat in that sense. Normally you would expect from Yani's and Yamaha's to sound to clean and flat.... (I have a yts 62 so I can affirm this :) )
Hi, The main purpose back in the years when I did this was to get a vintage look. I didn’t know that it would influence the sound that much. I also let the instrument technician change to metal reflectors (from original plastic). That also affect the sound and projection. I think the sound got a bit darker and in the same time more overtones.
Yanagisawa shines more! :)
What is the name of this tune
Yup. All Yani
Yani for sure
both sounded great which do you prefer and why or I should say what are pros and cons with both also did the sound of the Yani change much after removing the lacquer
Thanks! Now I play only on P Mauriat. I changed to a Vandoren Java T95 mouthpiece that fits better in sound. I think the Jody Jazz is too stuffy in combo w PM. The PM is much stronger and tune better, but I still like the timbre of the Yana. That, I got after the removal of the lacquer plus the change to metal reflectors on the Y. I like my old Yana much better than newer ones with the clear lacquer on.
I'm looking at getting either a P. Mauriat or a Sax Dakota
r s berkeley virtuoso is better than any mauriat , they are the buisiness.
Great tone on both but the yani’s tone seems to be more bendable and versatile so I tend to prefer that more , and also what’s the name of the neck strap
SuPremium Thank’s! Your’re right, the Yani is more flexible but that was also a problem I had with it. The intonation is more difficult when each note is more flexible. The PM on the other hand is more locked in tune. The strap... haha! I forgot my real sax strap in my baritone sax case so I had to use the carrying strap from the PM case. Not recommended, but solved the problem during this recording. :)
yanagisawa a full !!!
@erik It looks like you delaquered the horn, but not the keys and rods. Is that correct?
That’s correct! A saxophone repair technician removed the laquer with some kind of solution during a complete renovation in 2005. He didn’t delaquered the keys and rods though since it was too time consuming and the Yanagisawa laquer was hard to remove.
So close. Great sound Erik. Mauriat may be a micron richer. I didn't much like the new Yani I tried, but they both sound great in your hands.
Thank you Warren! :) I don't really like new Yanis either. Mine is from 1994 and has got a different sound and feeling due to non laquer body and metal reflectors + age. I think removing the laquer free up the sound for more overtones and more flexible and spread sound. I should upload a new comparison now since I've learned how to get a richer sound out of my P Mauriat. I also changed mouthpiece to a very nice Theo Wanne Gaia 1 HR 8.
Didn't expect a reply, much less a quick one! As long as I have you Erik, I sold a MK VI after 40 years and moved to a Yamaha Custom Z. Great Selmer sound but resistant down low and in altissimo. The Z is a great horn, but I don't love it's core, which to me is a bit bright and thin ('JM,' don't even think about trolling me here). I'm going to trial a Trevor James Signature Custom Raw. Also thinking I need to try your Mauriat. FWIW, I did not like the Eastman 52nd St. at all. They look similar? Grateful for any thoughts! And, mouthpiece-wise, I'm aware my Mac Sax FJ IV is a bit bright, and going to try an optimized Link. Thanks Erik!
You're welcome! Interesting thoughts! I've only heard others play on Yamaha Custom Z and I agree about it being a bit bright and thin. The Mauriat on the other hand can be super fat and powerful, so it comes to personal taste and what music you're playing. For me the PM works for everything from soft jazz ballads with it's dark and full sound to pop and funk with it's powerful tone. Maybe not so good for classic music, too dirty sound. I guess the Trevor James could be somewhat similar to the PM 66. TJ are rare in Sweden so I haven't tried it. Good luck!
The Trevor James got a couple of great write-ups, one from a guy (www.shwoodwind.co.uk/) who thinks/hears as I do. His impressions of the sonic properties of horns I've played are in line with mine, so, I'm hoping the TJ matches his description as well, but I may also try a P. M 66 I think! FYI, TJ only has one N. American dealer located in western Canada, so they're scarce here as well. Thanks Erik!
They sound equally nice and virtually identical, but the Mauriat may be a tiny bit drier/thinner.
Mark I am Lockjaw 2, so I will not insult your knowledge of Jazz History. You are correct, the Mauriat was thinner. I blow a Conn 10 M Naked Lady 1948. If one wants the Rollins sound, one can use as I would a 150/3/SMS Berg Larsen. My link is a 12 AKA Griffin.
Yanagisawa all the way
I want the sheet music for this
how did you do that lip trill like on a trombone?
I use a combination of A fingering (left hand) and Eb fingering (right hand) = Eb without the G finger. No octave. Then you trill using a big vibrato technique with your toungue/throat. Try!! 😃
What made you choose the PM rather than another Yani?
I think my Yani has a little weak and thin sound. Searched and found a mor jazzy, dark and fat sound on the PM. Though here I admit the Yani sounds good, I was new on the PM (1 week). Now I also have changed MP to a Vandoren Java which give me a a little more brightness to compensate for the dark sound. The PM also tunes better.
I've since bought an Otto Link to give a darker sound. As yet I'm only on Vandoran 1 1/2 reeds. I hope the sound will darken as I get stronger reeds otherwise I might need to change too.
Yanagisawa!🎶🎵
Yani speaks better to my ears, but both are beautiful horns. To use the same mouthpiece/ligature/reed on two horns isn't really ideal, and as I've read, you got a different setup on the Mauriat now, so that would probably make my opinion on these horns change. Great player no matter the setup, though!
David Harris it's a close call for both horns. I'll take either one count me in
How about compare two P. Mauriats. An early horn, and one from later, to see how they've changed over the years.
What is the name of that tune? Love it!
St. Thomas
ヤナギサワいいですね😆
I have the exact same p mauriat its amazing i love it
The Mauriats just seem to have a sore throat sound all the time. Like a constant built in growl that can't be shaken. If I want that sound I can just add it with a touch of vocalisation; give me a pure 'clean slate' sound to start with any day.
Sin lugar a dudar P Mauriat tiene mejores agudos, el yani es muy parecido al yamaha ,esta genial ,pero me quedo con el P Mauriat,me suena más a jazz
My choice on this video is P. Maurait.
Yani :-D
yani!!
Yani!!
Me gusta P MURIAT alto 🎷
P.Mauriat 😎👌👍
Yani
Bad song choice for a comparison. But Yanagisawa for me any day.
Mauriat
That Yani has the slightest edge…☮️🎶🎵🎷
Same
They sounded pretty much the same
Yani wins
va en gustos,a mi en lo personal me gusta mucho mas el P.Mauriat
both
Yani tunes better and speaks more clearly.
Yes, more clear I agree. But now I have a clearerer mouthpiece to compensate (Vandoren Java T95).
Definately the P. Mariat much more complex sound ...richer
yanagisawa mais som e mais projeçao
my choice yanni
Both great horns.. Mauriat a bit over priced in my opinion
I don't see any diffrece grate player dough
Paul mauriat assurément !
Yany by a mile
pm too close than yani
This guys tone doesn't really sound good on either horns : -(
Think you'll be in a minority of 1 with that observation.
If you don't have something nice to say...don't say it. Plus - he sounds amazing.
These p mauriats are just overrated. And overpriced! With good headphones u can can hear a big difference between the two. Good horns, ok. Great horns? Noop!