Great to see this. Thanks David for helping Thomas and your Dad with this. It helped me open my eyes. Our Climate Justice Niagara is asking all the parishes in the Diocese to consider switching to heat pumps. I would like to bring your Dad in on this.
Strange I am blocked from any remark counter to this utopia video. North Ontario even the snow belt cools enough I would not want to rely on one. They work well in T.O an farther south but not up here in the north.
I'm finding that contractors seem to have inflated their prices by the exact amount of the Green Energy grant. I'm getting quotes for $15k to replace a heat pump (central/ducted). That isn't for the top of the line Japanese made heat pump system. That is for a made in China (Gree brand) one, although the heating specs are good. It is only a 36k BTU unit (single outdoor condenser with new inside noncommunicating air handler). The retail price on the heat pump is $6500 to my door. There's no way I'm paying someone more than $8k to install one, especially as in my case it's a matter of swapping out the old unit. Conveniently the only way to get the grant is if the units are installed by a licensed HVAC contractor.
Where in Ontario are you? I just received a quote for $23,000 CAD for a heat pump to replace my gas furnace. How could the price be so much higher than yours?
“Frequently”? Edmonton’s record low is -50C. It drops below -20 for only 25 days per year on average. Still, we are in southern Ontario, which does have milder winters compared to much of Alberta or northern Ontario for that matter. A heat pump could still be very useful in a colder climate, but I suspect really good insulation and baseboards would also be necessary. That said, relatives of mine live in Edmonton in a high rise, and they get by with only a heat pump.
@@orangefree89 Interesting. Currently we have a natural gas boiler/fan coil combo and last summer we had central AC installed into the fan coil. We completely shut the boiler down when running AC, well perhaps more like we shut it down all spring summer and parts of fall. Nothing burning in there except a pilot light. It's as old as the house, house built in 1999. I would say its 70-80% efficient only. Could an existing 1.5 ton central ac be turned into a heat pump? house is only 1000 sq feet so a 1.5 ton cooler was enough for cooling coverage.
@@gunit6815 I'm afraid you've maxed out my expertise! I'll see if I can get my friend Thomas to provide more input. Ultimately, you'll need professional advice of course. One thing I can say is that, if you have AC, then installing a heat pump should be pretty straightforward. A heat pump is just an AC unit that can "run in both directions". I don't think you can convert an existing AC unit into a heat pump, but you might consider a heat pump when replacing the AC system in the future. You'll likely find that you can significantly reduce your gas consumption, if not eliminate it entirely, by running the heat pump for much of your heating season. The gas can be a back-up, perhaps to be replaced eventually by baseboards.
@@orangefree89 for a really cold climate yes I think you would run the heat pump when it makes sense to do so then switch over to gas when it get really cold. The heat pump could do a lot of work through the spring and fall, probably most of the winter, and if you are already installing an air conditioner well then it's not much incremental cost.
Is your grid in good condition? It must be if your willing to risk all your plumbing and maybe even your life on your power not failing. Im in PA in the states and we have blackouts sometimes lasting for days at least once a year and with the ash bore killing all the ash trees and then falling on wires it is becoming more and more common place.
It so happens I grew up in North Bay and Sudbury, and so I understand what the winters are like up there. But they’re worse in Edmonton, on which see some of my comments above.
So if I get a heat pump and spend a lot of money to have it installed, I will have to get a furnace as well, or have electric heaters in each room.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It'll depend on your home. A relative of mine lived in Edmonton using only a heat pump for winter heating, without any difficulty. I'm not sure I would trust a heat pump alone for my century home near Toronto. (Heat pump proponents tell me I'm unnecessarily cautious.)
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This is precisely what I was looking for; a local perspective of having a heat pump. Thanks David.
Great to see this. Thanks David for helping Thomas and your Dad with this. It helped me open my eyes. Our Climate Justice Niagara is asking all the parishes in the Diocese to consider switching to heat pumps. I would like to bring your Dad in on this.
Thank you for the video and your insights.
Strange I am blocked from any remark counter to this utopia video. North Ontario even the snow belt cools enough I would not want to rely on one. They work well in T.O an farther south but not up here in the north.
I'm finding that contractors seem to have inflated their prices by the exact amount of the Green Energy grant. I'm getting quotes for $15k to replace a heat pump (central/ducted). That isn't for the top of the line Japanese made heat pump system. That is for a made in China (Gree brand) one, although the heating specs are good. It is only a 36k BTU unit (single outdoor condenser with new inside noncommunicating air handler). The retail price on the heat pump is $6500 to my door. There's no way I'm paying someone more than $8k to install one, especially as in my case it's a matter of swapping out the old unit. Conveniently the only way to get the grant is if the units are installed by a licensed HVAC contractor.
Where in Ontario are you? I just received a quote for $23,000 CAD for a heat pump to replace my gas furnace. How could the price be so much higher than yours?
Curious, you're in Ontario. We frequently get -40, -50 days here in Alberta, would this make more sense then gas for Alberta?
“Frequently”? Edmonton’s record low is -50C. It drops below -20 for only 25 days per year on average. Still, we are in southern Ontario, which does have milder winters compared to much of Alberta or northern Ontario for that matter. A heat pump could still be very useful in a colder climate, but I suspect really good insulation and baseboards would also be necessary. That said, relatives of mine live in Edmonton in a high rise, and they get by with only a heat pump.
@@orangefree89 Interesting. Currently we have a natural gas boiler/fan coil combo and last summer we had central AC installed into the fan coil. We completely shut the boiler down when running AC, well perhaps more like we shut it down all spring summer and parts of fall. Nothing burning in there except a pilot light. It's as old as the house, house built in 1999. I would say its 70-80% efficient only. Could an existing 1.5 ton central ac be turned into a heat pump? house is only 1000 sq feet so a 1.5 ton cooler was enough for cooling coverage.
@@gunit6815 I'm afraid you've maxed out my expertise! I'll see if I can get my friend Thomas to provide more input. Ultimately, you'll need professional advice of course. One thing I can say is that, if you have AC, then installing a heat pump should be pretty straightforward. A heat pump is just an AC unit that can "run in both directions". I don't think you can convert an existing AC unit into a heat pump, but you might consider a heat pump when replacing the AC system in the future. You'll likely find that you can significantly reduce your gas consumption, if not eliminate it entirely, by running the heat pump for much of your heating season. The gas can be a back-up, perhaps to be replaced eventually by baseboards.
@@orangefree89 for a really cold climate yes I think you would run the heat pump when it makes sense to do so then switch over to gas when it get really cold. The heat pump could do a lot of work through the spring and fall, probably most of the winter, and if you are already installing an air conditioner well then it's not much incremental cost.
Our Quebec house - temps routinely colder than -40C. Heated exclusively via heat pump.
Is your grid in good condition? It must be if your willing to risk all your plumbing and maybe even your life on your power not failing. Im in PA in the states and we have blackouts sometimes lasting for days at least once a year and with the ash bore killing all the ash trees and then falling on wires it is becoming more and more common place.
Someone running a furnace or boiler will be no better off if their power goes out. In any event, lengthy blackouts are rare in Ontario.
Great video!
Why is there a fallen tree in the background?
Does it wrk if you had power failure
No, it’s like a furnace or boiler in that regard.
It’s best to spend the money and insulate the house better. Then you can size a smaller system and in the long run require less energy.
This was not Thomas' experience, and he crunched the numbers pretty carefully.
Insulation is the most important factor.
This guy is in southern Ontario. Head up toward Sudbury NorthBay and you are dead.
It so happens I grew up in North Bay and Sudbury, and so I understand what the winters are like up there. But they’re worse in Edmonton, on which see some of my comments above.
So if I get a heat pump and spend a lot of money to have it installed, I will have to get a furnace as well, or have electric heaters in each room.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It'll depend on your home. A relative of mine lived in Edmonton using only a heat pump for winter heating, without any difficulty. I'm not sure I would trust a heat pump alone for my century home near Toronto. (Heat pump proponents tell me I'm unnecessarily cautious.)
the drama, the ACTINGGG!
Yup, there's a lot of heat pump pushers these days. They'll dry up once the fed rebates are gone.
Chuck Norris they ain't
CO2 air to water heat pumps are the future. Available in Europe, but still hard to find in North America.
Can you provide more info about these pumps? Sounds interesting, especially for someone like me with rads.