@Ken and Matt, I finally had chance to listen to this episode. Regarding non Catholic Christians you need to careful assuming that they are Christian. Here is why. Imbedded in Catholic Tradition, that which was handed down from the apostles and the church fathers, is the "Lexicon" for reading the bible. When you reject Catholic Tradition you also reject the Lexicon that the apostles and the Church Fathers passed down "in a effect" rewriting scripture with a personal hermeneutic, redefining the words with in scripture. So non Catholic Christians, rather then being a united body of believers, which believe and profess the same thing, are more like a school of fish, shoaling for social reasons, each with their own personal interruption of who and what they believe Jesus to be.
Dear Mat and Ken, thank you so much for all the episodes.The Holy Spirit os surely leading you to reveal the truths and misunderstandings of our Faith in the most humble ,respectful,and yet exciting and attractive way.Please keep sharing such blessings you've both received.
I would distinguish protestant Christians who are genuinely unaware or have misunderstanding about the Catholic Church due to misinformation or lack of knowledge, protestant Christians who are still unable to accept the Catholic teachings but have respect and genuine love toward Catholic Christians as brothers and sisters, with protestant Christians who openly spread misinformation or even hatred against the Catholic Church and her teachings. Again, it all comes down to each person who will finally answer to the Lord Jesus, who is the only Judge who has given the authority of the keys of the Kingdom of God to the Catholic Church.
Hi Ken, maybe you know about the poet Gerard Manley Hopkins. Born into Anglicanism, he converted and became a Jesuit priest. Here's a líne or two from memory which is an expression of his own convertion experience. "Batter my heart, Three Personed God! For thou dost break, breathe, bind and seek to mend".
The Pandora's Box is the Roman Church's claim that what they say is equal in authority to God's Word. The result has been a virtual plethora of doctrines, traditions and dogmas, in a word, accretions. And it never ends. Including the absurd Marian Doctrines. Sola Scritura closes the Box. Thank the Lord God Almighty for the Protestant Revolution.
Though I agree with our Catholic view of Protestantism, I must admit, I do object to the way some Protestants dump on the Catholic Church. I would say it’s partially due to the overall weakness and obvious contradictions in the overall message, I do wonder if there is an element of pride, going all the way back to Luther. Let’s face it, it is probable that Luther adopted faith and scripture alone, as a cure for his own scrupulosity, and considering what he said an wrote in his later life, I don’t understand why he is taken seriously at all. It’s also interesting that in almost air the reformers, it became, “sola scriptura, the way I read it”. Not sola scriptura for all. And Ken, there are more than 8-10 different philosophies of Protestantism.
But is it even "SOLA SCRIPTURA?" Look @ how Luther himself altered the canon of scripture when he was shown how some passages of the historically accepted canon contradicted (profoundly & directly) his novel doctrines. He expunged the Deuterocanonical OT books, invented the concept of the "Apocrypha," & wanted to expunge many NT books such as The Epistle of St. James & The Revelation of St. John.
Very clarifying as to the question of supreme authority! By clarifying what is Protestantism, you also clarify what is Catholicism. Would Jesus have left the church with no such supreme and dare I say even universal authority in matters of dogma, morals and ecclesial governance? To have done so would have renedered meaningless his promise to be with us to the end. I never looked at the question from that perspective, because if he did leave us without such authority, then he also left us without the necessary guidance or center of gravity for these things. In short the Lord would have been abandoning us to the chaos of Protestantism from the beginning. This conclusion is not necessarily easy to accept as it requires that I abandon my own intellectual pride in several matters. But if Jesus had not established this authority, it seems to me he would have failed in his mission for the long term, and since he is the second person of the trinity, that pov is not cogent. Ergo, if I don't accept the existence of supreme and universal authority for the church then I can't believe that Jesus is truly God, and I am at best an Ariyan.
“We must beware then of dangers from within. We must be upon our guard even against catholic books, periodicals, journals, and pamphlets, however specious they may be. Our Blessed Redeemer said of the false prophets of the last days (St. Matt. xxiv. 24.) that they should “deceive, if possible, even the elect.” Now we must remember, that if all the manifestly good men were on one side, and all the manifestly bad men on the other, there would be no danger of any one, least of all, the elect, being deceived by lying wonders. It is the good men, good once, we must hope good still, who are to do the work of Antichrist, and so sadly to crucify afresh the Lord whom they do more than profess to love. Bear in mind this feature of the last days, that their deceitfulness arises from good men being on the wrong side.” (Rev. Frederick William Faber, Devotion to the Church, 2nd ed. [London: Richardson and Son, 1861], p. 27.)
There are many things in Islam you can see as copied from Christianity. If you deny Jesus in the Eucharist aren’t you denying Christ? Islam or Protestant.
On this weeks show watch Matt and Ken jump from the fire into the frying pan as they move the conversation from Christian Authority to the Protestant Reformation.
That all stems from this incident here, the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy where mainline Protestantism started going off the rails. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist%E2%80%93Modernist_controversy
Ken and Matt, you spoke around the 22 minute mark about the "cafeteria Catholics" that are a part of Belloc's 'moral atmosphere'. Would this be part of what is happening around the TLM folks on that issue? Trying to understand what you meant regarding your idea. Thank you so much!!
I’m not them, but they seem to be clearly defining it as someone who doesn’t accept all teachings of the Church. Most TLM attendees DO accept all teachings. There are some who go too far and start to deny certain teachings that don’t fit their view of Catholicism. However, the largest group of these cafeteria Catholics are what I would call secular Catholics. They like to be on Team Catholicism, but they don’t want the teachings to interfere with their lives that are far more focused with fitting into the secular world. My two cents anyway. God bless you.
Why was Luther against the writings of James? Was he greater than James? Why did he not include what he called the Apocrypha? That's why he used only 66 books? Christians with different interpretations???
I've heard and read opinions that Luther expunged certain books that disproved his own beliefs and doctrines. And that he even wanted to remove the Book of Revelation from the Canon but was persuaded not to.
"Essential Doctrinal Systems" are not churches, Ken. Churchs are independent religious organizations, and there are more than 40,000 in American Protestantism.
Ken and Matt, you read from the Catholic Catechism (8:16-19) as a basis for Protestants and Catholics being in the same religion - Christianity. You both also mention that you were Christians and that the Holy Spirit was active in your pre-Catholic, Protestant churches that you were a part of. A couple of questions then. Is not the Holy Spirit not a unifying basis and authority within those churches you attended? Is the Holy Spirit and your status as Christians at that time not the thread of authority that if recognized would allow a perspective of protestant churches as having a constructive & positive unifier over and above the negative characteristic of rebelling against authority that you identify as the only thing unifying those churches? Also, you indicate that the Catholic Church does recognize protestants as brothers and sisters (in Christ I assume). First, I don't believe that was the view of the Catholic church historically (perhaps until Vatican 2) and so it seems that fundamental Catholic dogma/tradition that was stated authoritatively ("divinely") did in fact change and reverse. Something like Roman Catholicism is the only way to be saved/go to heaven/live with God, etc. was changed to something like salvation and life with God can be found outside the Roman Catholic Church. Finally, if that is true, what is the principle motive for a Christian, living out of love by the Holy Spirit in a Protestant church and having positive effects for the community, world, and heaven, to make the serious change you two made to Roman Catholicism? In an over-simplification, "we are all just brothers and sisters after all right?". I appreciate your authenticity, love, and compassion (sympathy) that you show Protestants in your show. Thanks for your work!
@Ken and Matt, I finally had chance to listen to this episode. Regarding non Catholic Christians you need to careful assuming that they are Christian. Here is why. Imbedded in Catholic Tradition, that which was handed down from the apostles and the church fathers, is the "Lexicon" for reading the bible. When you reject Catholic Tradition you also reject the Lexicon that the apostles and the Church Fathers passed down "in a effect" rewriting scripture with a personal hermeneutic, redefining the words with in scripture.
So non Catholic Christians, rather then being a united body of believers, which believe and profess the same thing, are more like a school of fish, shoaling for social reasons, each with their own personal interruption of who and what they believe Jesus to be.
If you’re a Protestant
And if someone took out
Every word in the New Testament
About Peter, the Protestant churches
Would not change one single bit.
Pope’s writings on modernism is very revealing. Explain so much of what we see in the church...for those who have eyes to see.
Dear Mat and Ken, thank you so much for all the episodes.The Holy Spirit os surely leading you to reveal the truths and misunderstandings of our Faith in the most humble ,respectful,and yet exciting and attractive way.Please keep sharing such blessings you've both received.
I would distinguish protestant Christians who are genuinely unaware or have misunderstanding about the Catholic Church due to misinformation or lack of knowledge, protestant Christians who are still unable to accept the Catholic teachings but have respect and genuine love toward Catholic Christians as brothers and sisters, with protestant Christians who openly spread misinformation or even hatred against the Catholic Church and her teachings. Again, it all comes down to each person who will finally answer to the Lord Jesus, who is the only Judge who has given the authority of the keys of the Kingdom of God to the Catholic Church.
Hi Ken, maybe you know about the poet Gerard Manley Hopkins.
Born into Anglicanism, he converted and became a Jesuit priest.
Here's a líne or two from memory which is an expression of his own convertion experience.
"Batter my heart, Three Personed God!
For thou dost break, breathe, bind and seek to mend".
A revolt that opened a Pandora's box of heresies.
The Pandora's Box is the Roman Church's claim that what they say is equal in authority to God's Word. The result has been a virtual plethora of doctrines, traditions and dogmas, in a word, accretions. And it never ends. Including the absurd Marian Doctrines.
Sola Scritura closes the Box.
Thank the Lord God Almighty for the Protestant Revolution.
None of this is heresies. You are confuass like them
Like they were when prodestants
Though I agree with our Catholic view of Protestantism, I must admit, I do object to the way some Protestants dump on the Catholic Church. I would say it’s partially due to the overall weakness and obvious contradictions in the overall message, I do wonder if there is an element of pride, going all the way back to Luther. Let’s face it, it is probable that Luther adopted faith and scripture alone, as a cure for his own scrupulosity, and considering what he said an wrote in his later life, I don’t understand why he is taken seriously at all. It’s also interesting that in almost air the reformers, it became, “sola scriptura, the way I read it”. Not sola scriptura for all. And Ken, there are more than 8-10 different philosophies of Protestantism.
Great video.
Are you going to do a series on the Sacrament of Reconciliation and on the Blessed Mother?
But is it even "SOLA SCRIPTURA?"
Look @ how Luther himself altered the canon of scripture when he was shown how some passages of the historically accepted canon contradicted (profoundly & directly) his novel doctrines. He expunged the Deuterocanonical OT books, invented the concept of the "Apocrypha," & wanted to expunge many NT books such as The Epistle of St. James & The Revelation of St. John.
I love on the journey show and your stories, thanks Matt and Ken.
Church Fathers said anyone who denied the Eucharist being the Body of Christ was not a Christian, but Ken Hensley knows better...
Very clarifying as to the question of supreme authority! By clarifying what is Protestantism, you also clarify what is Catholicism. Would Jesus have left the church with no such supreme and dare I say even universal authority in matters of dogma, morals and ecclesial governance? To have done so would have renedered meaningless his promise to be with us to the end. I never looked at the question from that perspective, because if he did leave us without such authority, then he also left us without the necessary guidance or center of gravity for these things. In short the Lord would have been abandoning us to the chaos of Protestantism from the beginning. This conclusion is not necessarily easy to accept as it requires that I abandon my own intellectual pride in several matters. But if Jesus had not established this authority, it seems to me he would have failed in his mission for the long term, and since he is the second person of the trinity, that pov is not cogent. Ergo, if I don't accept the existence of supreme and universal authority for the church then I can't believe that Jesus is truly God, and I am at best an Ariyan.
“We must beware then of dangers from within. We must be upon our guard even against catholic books, periodicals, journals, and pamphlets, however specious they may be. Our Blessed Redeemer said of the false prophets of the last days (St. Matt. xxiv. 24.) that they should “deceive, if possible, even the elect.” Now we must remember, that if all the manifestly good men were on one side, and all the manifestly bad men on the other, there would be no danger of any one, least of all, the elect, being deceived by lying wonders. It is the good men, good once, we must hope good still, who are to do the work of Antichrist, and so sadly to crucify afresh the Lord whom they do more than profess to love. Bear in mind this feature of the last days, that their deceitfulness arises from good men being on the wrong side.”
(Rev. Frederick William Faber, Devotion to the Church, 2nd ed. [London: Richardson and Son, 1861], p. 27.)
There are many things in Islam you can see as copied from Christianity. If you deny Jesus in the Eucharist aren’t you denying Christ? Islam or Protestant.
Awesome show guys! and thank you!
Excelente show
On this weeks show watch Matt and Ken jump from the fire into the frying pan as they move the conversation from Christian Authority to the Protestant Reformation.
Ken, I agree. All of a sudden I meet more people who use the term "Christian" as synonymous with "Evangelical" or "Protestant".
That all stems from this incident here, the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy where mainline Protestantism started going off the rails. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist%E2%80%93Modernist_controversy
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Ken and Matt, you spoke around the 22 minute mark about the "cafeteria Catholics" that are a part of Belloc's 'moral atmosphere'. Would this be part of what is happening around the TLM folks on that issue? Trying to understand what you meant regarding your idea. Thank you so much!!
I’m not them, but they seem to be clearly defining it as someone who doesn’t accept all teachings of the Church. Most TLM attendees DO accept all teachings. There are some who go too far and start to deny certain teachings that don’t fit their view of Catholicism. However, the largest group of these cafeteria Catholics are what I would call secular Catholics. They like to be on Team Catholicism, but they don’t want the teachings to interfere with their lives that are far more focused with fitting into the secular world.
My two cents anyway.
God bless you.
Denying the body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist is still in the Church!?
Why was Luther against the writings of James? Was he greater than James? Why did he not include what he called the Apocrypha? That's why he used only 66 books? Christians with different interpretations???
I've heard and read opinions that Luther expunged certain books that disproved his own beliefs and doctrines. And that he even wanted to remove the Book of Revelation from the Canon but was persuaded not to.
"Essential Doctrinal Systems" are not churches, Ken. Churchs are independent religious organizations, and there are more than 40,000 in American Protestantism.
Ken and Matt, you read from the Catholic Catechism (8:16-19) as a basis for Protestants and Catholics being in the same religion - Christianity. You both also mention that you were Christians and that the Holy Spirit was active in your pre-Catholic, Protestant churches that you were a part of. A couple of questions then. Is not the Holy Spirit not a unifying basis and authority within those churches you attended? Is the Holy Spirit and your status as Christians at that time not the thread of authority that if recognized would allow a perspective of protestant churches as having a constructive & positive unifier over and above the negative characteristic of rebelling against authority that you identify as the only thing unifying those churches? Also, you indicate that the Catholic Church does recognize protestants as brothers and sisters (in Christ I assume). First, I don't believe that was the view of the Catholic church historically (perhaps until Vatican 2) and so it seems that fundamental Catholic dogma/tradition that was stated authoritatively ("divinely") did in fact change and reverse. Something like Roman Catholicism is the only way to be saved/go to heaven/live with God, etc. was changed to something like salvation and life with God can be found outside the Roman Catholic Church. Finally, if that is true, what is the principle motive for a Christian, living out of love by the Holy Spirit in a Protestant church and having positive effects for the community, world, and heaven, to make the serious change you two made to Roman Catholicism? In an over-simplification, "we are all just brothers and sisters after all right?". I appreciate your authenticity, love, and compassion (sympathy) that you show Protestants in your show. Thanks for your work!