Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson on why Marxism is so appealing

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  • @philippbehrend5559
    @philippbehrend5559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +857

    fun fact: Marx never lived in a Marxist country

    • @ausgoldman9442
      @ausgoldman9442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Like Adam Smith never lived in a free market economy.

    • @ollikoskiniemi6221
      @ollikoskiniemi6221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      @@ausgoldman9442 Arguably capitalism has existed since the first trade of goods/services. While the monarchies of Adam Smith's time were not free countries, they technically had free trade, allthough the state had the right to interfere.

    • @philippbehrend5559
      @philippbehrend5559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      i just find it incredibly hypocrite how all these capitalism hatin foos write all their ridiculous theories from the porches of their big mansions enjoying the very friuts of the capitalist world they so despise. what a waste of humanity

    • @yortsemloh1156
      @yortsemloh1156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      He was a bum his whole life like many of his followers.

    • @dillagnostics4752
      @dillagnostics4752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@ollikoskiniemi6221 if its not a free country then it's not a free market. You cannot have private enterprise without individual liberty. States have no "right" to interfere. Rights are inherent from Creation and not given from the government. That's the difference between national law and man's law.

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z 2 ปีที่แล้ว +516

    Peterson nails it. The most concerning part is people will act out of resentment & envy, and convince themselves it's virtuous. That whatever cruelty they cause is justice.

    • @jeremylawson6648
      @jeremylawson6648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      frightening

    • @mmille10
      @mmille10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Rush Limbaugh used to answer the same question, saying (I'm elaborating) that academics tend to be leftists simply because they see education as the highest value in society, and therefor that they're the most valuable people in society, and should have the economic status that goes with that (the top of the heap). What galls them is they see they're not. They hate the fact that they see example after example of people who never went to college, and maybe didn't even finish high school, who become so much wealthier than they are. They see this as the result of an unjust system, and so think, as JP said, that the wealth of these people was achieved unjustly. So, they want to see government take most of it away from those people, and redistribute it to themselves, because that's really where the wealth belongs. It's a product of intellectual hubris.
      I'd say another part of it is the expectation inside of academic institutions, that you don't achieve anything on your own, strictly on the strength of your own ideas and work ethic. Instead, you build on the ideas of others, and accomplish your goals through collaboration with your peers. There is a communistic atmosphere about it, because there are no entrepreneurs in that system. They're not tolerated, actually. I remember Robert Ballard talking about this. He said he was a scientist who did research by himself, and worked with investors to fund it. He's stayed out of academia, because they hate the way he works.

    • @garyfrancis6193
      @garyfrancis6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s what I do.

    • @amraceway
      @amraceway 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeremylawson6648Frightening is the lack of knowledge that Peterson has on Marxism.

    • @shionkreth7536
      @shionkreth7536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@amraceway Please correct him for us.

  • @reddirtwalker8041
    @reddirtwalker8041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +432

    I think it's popular because it's a belief system that is founded in lack of responsibility. You are not responsible for supporting you, the masses are responsible for supporting you and if they are not it's thier fault and not your own.
    Basically we have people that liked mom and dad taking care of them and want others to fill that role now.

    • @reddirtwalker8041
      @reddirtwalker8041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@harmonica7064 Yes, a person such as I described wrote the theory of Marxism. So it makes sense that people that follow are like the theories progenitor.

    • @roberthermann97
      @roberthermann97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      That, but also gives you a vague enough enemy, an oppressor, that you can direct your hate, which you erroneously believe is justified, in a variety of directions, and believe you're fighting for good, for equality, for justice etc. Even when in reality you're not. I would say Virtue Signaling is the #1 motivator behind all woke activism today, all marxist activism, among young people.

    • @fieryjalapenos4442
      @fieryjalapenos4442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I’ve been saying that for a long time. So many people identify as a Democrat because they support the idea of not having to be responsible for your own decisions. You don’t need a job, we can give you welfare checks. You need food, here are some food stamps. They get to push off all of their inadequacies and shift the blame to “the man”. The bums love hearing that none of the bad things they’ve done is their own fault. It’s so much easier to just blame someone else for your problems than it is to accept what you did.

    • @thecurrentmoment
      @thecurrentmoment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And it's also somewhat convenient in that responsibility, blame, as well as suffering is essentially diffused through society so the burden is carried by society as a whole. That actually seems like a good idea, in some ways, but it doesn't really work

    • @reddirtwalker8041
      @reddirtwalker8041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@thecurrentmoment The theory of Marxism has some noble ideals I will give it that. Those ideals just go against human nature.

  • @sfcmathews32
    @sfcmathews32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +420

    I think Professor Peterson hit it on the head when he said "anyone who has anything got it by stealing it from me". There is certainly an ideology that wealth only comes from theft, never from hard work.

    • @Shushkin
      @Shushkin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Except that these kids in college are very privileged to have their parents to pay for their tuition. Are their parents thieves then? Did they steal the money? Obviously according to them, but they will not say anything, because that " theft " benefits them.

    • @banker1313
      @banker1313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      basically what blm is teaching blacks .....and some are so ignorant they believe it...

    • @taylorsutherland9447
      @taylorsutherland9447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Obama certainly helped that ideology.

    • @trystdodge6177
      @trystdodge6177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Labor theory of value, it is core to Marxism. It is objectively wrong.

    • @goatface6602
      @goatface6602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That also implies a zero sum game. They don’t understand that growth really happens.

  • @oslier3633
    @oslier3633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +434

    Tell people that property is oppressive. Once they are convinced of it, take it from them and call it liberation. War is peace.

    • @Whoknows285
      @Whoknows285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Productive property. You could also Call it your Capacity of Work. But i WE can all live under wageslavery by Our capitalistic Masters

    • @oslier3633
      @oslier3633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@Whoknows285 slavery is by definition forced labor. No one is forcing you to work. You can do what your ancestors did and live of the land by hunting, fishing and make your own wooden house. "Wage labor" is voluntary.

    • @taminothio6310
      @taminothio6310 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@Whoknows285 ah yes, why do I need to work to get food and water? Nature is oppressing me, we must revolt against Mother Nature! I demand free food and water!
      Actually no! I refuse to have anything to do with oppressors, I will not take food and water!

    • @seanrider4410
      @seanrider4410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @Ferdinand Herrmann No one is forcing you to work for them. If one employer treats your wrong, quit and harm his bottom line in the process. Find a new employer, become self employed, or just live off the land. In capitalism, you have full control over who you associate with, if anyone. Under socialism, you would have no such say as the government would be the only entity you can work for.
      Ah yes, giving up all economic and personal autonomy just to get back at the evil capitalist for not giving you more than you willingly agreed to work for by establishing a socialist regime. Much liberation, such wow.

    • @Whoknows285
      @Whoknows285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seanrider4410 "you dont have to Work for them" Sometimes i dont somepeople cant. "Just get a new employee" difficult If capitalism creates monopolys and also something Like distance exist. "Just be self employed or live of the Land". Gets a Bit Tricky If you have No capital and then Goung to a Bank and get the loan would basicly be Like being employed be. "Capitalism gives you full Control who you associate with" in capitalism you have No Control whatsoever If you have No capital. Capitalism means that private Person hold and can Share and sell the the property over production goods. That Always leads to Monopoly and the production goods in the Hands of the a few rich people while the Rest works. How can you Bring Out the boogeyman of the State. When a socialist"State" has nothing to do with it. You make No sense talking Economics. In socialism you Work for yourself YOUR company your neighbors your Community. Socialism SOCIAL -> IT Takes a Village, together. Communism -> Community -> working together for the benefit of everybody. But talking about making the world better IS a Bit hard when you Talk to egoistic reactonary who Just Like to Talk and dont care what They say

  • @clm652
    @clm652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    " Just tell me where in the world are you gonna find these angels to organize society for us ? " - Milton Yoda Friedman

    • @tlotlorasesia7971
      @tlotlorasesia7971 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100%

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tlotlorasesia7971 You won't find them among the greedy ruling class at least not in any significant number. One will need to look towards those exploited toilers of industry and the land. People that Fredman and the capitalist liberals write off as deplorable and irredeemable.

  • @georgecurious2248
    @georgecurious2248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    Same kind of thing happened to my Uncle who was a dairy farmer. The engine went out on his tractor and didn't have enough money to fix it. All that was needed was a long block replacement and it was functioning.
    He went to the Department of Agriculture that gives low interest loans or even subsidies in many cases. He explained his plight and gave the simple solution. The departments solution was to buy him a new tractor, which he adamantly refused but had to continue farming to make money. He ended up taking the tractor but later found out that their office's budget was contingent on how much was spent annually. The more money spent, the bigger their budget.

    • @kevinblackburn3198
      @kevinblackburn3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Truth. I was in the car biz in the 90s and the City of Baltimore Department of Housing put out a bid for 20 Chevrolet Blazers. I figured this would be a typical sealed government bid for a fleet of white blazers and cost. No biggie. Government agencies need vehicles. We order fleet vehicles and they arrive in 6 weeks.
      Instead they said don't worry about price and pick your 20 most expensive that are in your lot right now. WTH!? So I submitted a bid a full list price on the 20 most loaded Blazers on the lot with leather and sunroof. We laughed saying that they're is no way we win this bid. 2 days later I get the call saying get then ready for delivery. And no government tags. What? They are government vehicles! Personal tags in a government vehicles? Find to find out the department of housing had 500k they had to use before year end or they would lose it next year. OMG I was floored. You should have seen these jackals fighting over who gets which vehicle.

    • @pettytoni1955
      @pettytoni1955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@kevinblackburn3198 horrendous! I spent a total of 42 years in government service. Trying to conserve our budget was counterproductive, as we would lose any money next year that we didn't spend this year. If families ran their households like that, what a disaster. Most of us were disgusted.

    • @boli4203
      @boli4203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Every government agency I've ever heard of has those same budget constraints. I first noticed that while in the Army and budget time rolled around. One can't overstate the amount of waste that goes on as a result. Like burning tax dollars in giant oven.

    • @goodolearkygal5746
      @goodolearkygal5746 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@kevinblackburn3198 in government housing.... 5yrs ago they came around and planted trees everywhere to use up the budget... the next yr they cut them all down, the next they plant new ones, the next they cut those down.... its a good way to keep their money.... meanwhile the houses are falling down

    • @lesfox2010
      @lesfox2010 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@pettytoni1955 We have the same situation in Australia.
      Near the end of financial year, the overtime hours explode exponentially. Workers walking around with their hands in their pockets with nothing to do, just to preserve next year's funding.

  • @dickrichard5579
    @dickrichard5579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I just looked up mr. Sowell on google, he’s 90! I couldn’t believe it, he’s looks like he’s barely 70.

    • @overdose8329
      @overdose8329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Black don’t crack lol

    • @dickrichard5579
      @dickrichard5579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@overdose8329 I guess so lol....unless somebody gets ashy

    • @ouzahorpamu7271
      @ouzahorpamu7271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s not that black doesn’t crack I wish people would stop saying that dumb shit it’s the fact that some people when they’re older they don’t like their age and some people who are younger look older than their age it has nothing to do with melanin if you go in the Philippines right now there are many people over there they don’t look at their age

    • @ShadrachVS1
      @ShadrachVS1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not to mention, many of these videos showed are over 10 years old...

  • @warrioroflight6872
    @warrioroflight6872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    It's attractive because people like following an ideology that tells them to envy and hate others who have more than them. It's easy to sell a message that tells people that they can be virtuous as they bully others.
    Well, that's one reason, anyway.

    • @freddyd17
      @freddyd17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Capitalists are big bullies. They use humans as cattle and make them expendable. How is capitalism any better?

    • @ApartmentKing66
      @ApartmentKing66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@freddyd17 Yours is an employee's mindset. Report to a boss every day, and at the end of the month or two weeks, take your paycheck and pay bills with it. Then blow the rest on fun, beer, etc. Instead of taking the easy way out by name-calling, why don't you try to expand your means and try to become an entrepreneur? Start your own business(es). I would ask if you've tried, but I can tell that you haven't: if you had, you wouldn't have said what you did.

    • @JackHaveman52
      @JackHaveman52 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@freddyd17
      You have no idea on how a strong economy should work. Worse, you've just exemplified what Peterson and Sowell were talking about. Envy, which morphs into resentment and ends in anger....and always directed at others. Once you've accepted the idea that it's someone else's fault, you've lost all incentive to improve yourself. You'll feel that there's no need as the fault doesn't lie with you. The fault lies with others and it's the others that need to improve and you'll be just the one to do it. This will invariably end badly and always has. Some of the worst atrocities, over the last 150 years, have been this forced improvement of others over the advancement of the self.

    • @gizmotv9320
      @gizmotv9320 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      People follow marx because he believed in a fairer society where everyone has a chance to succeed. Where workers owned the means of their production. Their was no class division, the workers had as much leisure time to work on their personal hobbies to further fulfill themselves and to eventually have no state

    • @c172215s
      @c172215s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@gizmotv9320 LOL

  • @js53168
    @js53168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    This channel is a goldmine of reason in a world where "common sense" has been lost. Subscribed, THANK YOU.

    • @soulBain25
      @soulBain25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Unfortunately there is nothing common about sense.

    • @Shushkin
      @Shushkin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Reason and common sense is subjective. What is reasonable to you may not be reasonable for somebody else.

    • @re2399
      @re2399 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very well put 👏

    • @pettytoni1955
      @pettytoni1955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Shushkin not necessarily. Common sense is based on moral and traditional knowledge and behaviors. It's common sense not to slap a stranger on the street who is just walking by. There isn't any same person who doesn't believe this to be true common sense.

    • @wstavis3135
      @wstavis3135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Common Sense" has never truly been all that common.

  • @lesliewilson1570
    @lesliewilson1570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +263

    It looks very attractive in the written word, it falls to pieces when people are introduced into the equation.

    • @TheJester-ct5pi
      @TheJester-ct5pi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Leslie Wilson Very interesting. Reminds me of I believe a Founding Father of the U.S., who said something along the lines of "If men were angels, government need not exist". I think human nature is inherently wicked, but we convince ourselves that we're moral or just. To write things on paper is one thing, but to implement them, I'm not sure humanity is capable

    • @TheJester-ct5pi
      @TheJester-ct5pi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Bob Dough Interesting take. Know that I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just trying to explain my point of view, and I hope you do the same, the First Amendment exists so people like you and I can think for themselves and have an open honest discussion. They say power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believe power reveals. It reveals who you are, the part of yourself you hide from the world for various reasons. You probably act one way in front of your grandma, than you do with your friends. I would say, the average person who goes to work and seeks to enjoy the rest of their day, is not living to their full potential, thus the average person medicates via entertainment or substances as a coping mechanism, which is readily available in the 21st century. I believe humans to be inherently selfish, doing what's in their best interest, even if they wont consciously admit it. Those who exist atop the social heirarchy, are those who have embraced their instincts, and we perceive them as being wicked/corrupted, when in reality we may harbor some sort of envy, or resentment, because we ourselves fail to become that which we deem evil.

    • @Alberto.LIS.Morais
      @Alberto.LIS.Morais 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheJester-ct5pi that's why Elon Musk is workinkg on brain chip, to disapropiate us from our weaknesses....

    • @MegaMAGA33
      @MegaMAGA33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It fails because it destroys incentive and invention. And moreover because people will become lazier (inert) as time goes on until we have the great standstill

    • @MegaMAGA33
      @MegaMAGA33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Bob Dough From Dr.. Sigmund Freud
      In my experience most people are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all.

  • @kayakmanonthego
    @kayakmanonthego 2 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    The funny thing is: Karl Marx wrote all his work while living off his wife's and her family's fortune, i.e. her capital. So every word of his book "Capital" was written "with the dirty, filthy blood of capitalism".

    • @alanaadams7440
      @alanaadams7440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      He was a total bum horrible husband and father total failure as a human being and have s theory doesn't work

    • @kayakmanonthego
      @kayakmanonthego 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alanaadams7440 Having a theory that doesn't work is one thing. Having one that has resulted in hundreds of million deaths and ruined the life of millions upon millions more is quite another. Hitler is nothing compared to Marx.

    • @thecurious926
      @thecurious926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      a counter argument to that would be....maybe he wouldnt have had to write it if society was already 'not capitalistic'.
      'do as you preach' is not the best argument

    • @thecurious926
      @thecurious926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Topper Rune perhaps. I don't know if the term was used back then or he coined it

    • @gizmotv9320
      @gizmotv9320 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Incorrect. His friend frederich engels gave the marxs money as they lived in severe poverty. His wife's family had no involvement ehatsob9

  • @danabuttone
    @danabuttone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I love both Jordan Peterson and Thomad Sowell! So much wisdom!

  • @jimthompson9992
    @jimthompson9992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    The last 30 seconds of Dr. Sowell speaking.....PRICELESS!!! And spot on deadly accurate! Government true purpose!

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a priceless indictment of capitalist government and regulatory state. It has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism. The American capitalist couldn't trust the working class so it found it necessary to do its own greed regulation. The problem is that a tiger will not cut it own claws others must do the trimming.

  • @revstiles
    @revstiles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Thomas Sowell is such a rational thinker

  • @markzenith1441
    @markzenith1441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Marxism was never appealing to me even as a kid. I read the manifesto and other communist works in middle school. I realized right away on my own that communism and socialism would always be statist no matter how it’s implemented.

    • @tinamnscurse
      @tinamnscurse ปีที่แล้ว +1

      communism is about getting rid of the state. socialism and communism are completely impossible without the high productivity of capitalism

    • @markzenith1441
      @markzenith1441 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tinamnscurse actually socialism under the fascist model is functional. To take capitalist to facism, all you have to do is replace the consumers role of picking winners and losers with a market that instead competes for government access who now picks winners and losers. Unlike under communism, businesses make small market decisions but the government picks the winners and every once in a while changes up who’s the winner and who’s the loser.

    • @tinamnscurse
      @tinamnscurse ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@markzenith1441 socialism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy unfortunately taught in college that has led to all the confusion. fascism is merely capitalism in the wrong hands nationally under a dictator. fascism occurs when capitalism runs into its bottleneck nationally. socialism and communism are completely impossible without the high productivity of capitalism. capitalism ( a economic system and process) socialism ( a ideology and economic theory) and communism ( a ideology and economic theory) is economically production=consumption and a highly developed technologically advanced capitalism... are all part of the same process A permanent revolution. free trade capitalism globally under the UN and GATT first then socialism and communism globally...all by trying to correct the flaw of capitalism over production under consumption which is what the radical capitalist class are doing. By the process of creative destruction...new innovation new technology new production...more specialized efficient and productive (robots ai etc) and war revolution and terror remove impediments and implements free trade agreements most necessary for capital to flow freely globally. What people are missing is that communism is a global phenom it is a all or nothing system and it has never existed before. question: with communism as dead as Lenin and Trosky who will see it implemented in the west? answer: no one!!! this teaching capitalism vs socialism capitalism vs communism is a trick that gets people to think improperly.

    • @markzenith1441
      @markzenith1441 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tinamnscurse capitalism requires that there’s a competition for consumers. There isn’t a competition over consumers under fascism. How things are priced pretty much determines what kind of economic system we’re talking about and fascism is not capitalism because the consumer doesn’t determine price.
      Fascist economies were engendered from economies under higher state control rather than capitalism. Doesn’t mean fascism is capitalism but it does mean that socialist-esque systems in which there is some degree of centralization don’t need to come from capitalism.
      I’m lucky. I didn’t go to university. I’m just an autodidact mushroom farmer.

    • @tinamnscurse
      @tinamnscurse ปีที่แล้ว

      a highly developed technologically advanced capitalism globally occurs first is what top Marxist believes im not talking about the useful idiots that follow Marxist. the first thing the bolsheviks did at the turn of the century was to destroy socialist incentive so that capitalism could spread once they accomplished that they told the blue chip capitalist that funded them "what do we need you for" and thus started the dreaded communism ideology another words it was a trick...while people are focused on socialism and communism they wont see that its thru the flaw of capitalism globally that socialism and communism occur. if you notice capitalist are trying to perfect capitalism by making production=consumption that's what communism . is.

  • @luckytahlula6515
    @luckytahlula6515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I can't get enough of these two gentlemen. Thank you.

  • @berkscatbill5582
    @berkscatbill5582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Marx created a socio-economic system that turned his weakness and inability into a virtue.
    He had no capital, so money was bad
    He had no ambition. so individualism was bad
    He couldn't compete, so competition was repressive.
    He created a manifesto so full of logical holes it could not stand any conjecture, so all those who criticized it were mocked and personally attacked.
    Marx scored "cheap shot" points on individualism without considering a single benefit As an academic or a philosopher he thoroughly ignores the established rigors of argument/debate. His theory leaves us with a false choice. Socialism / individualism , Marx tries to force us to pick a side, The reality is that humanity is both.

  • @RodMartinJr
    @RodMartinJr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Peterson: *_"...the worst actions are resentment, deceit and arrogance."_* And arrogance can be a form of self-deceit, resentful of others who cannot see what they think is blindingly obvious. This, I think, is at the core of what Sowell called the *_"unconstrained vision."_*

    • @wstavis3135
      @wstavis3135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sowell's unconstrained vision is essentially that humans are perfectable if only the right people are in charge. The constrained vision is that people are flawed no matter who is in charge, therefore the best way to improve things for all people to to limit the ability of others to impose their vision/beliefs upon others.

    • @gizmotv9320
      @gizmotv9320 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The same arrogance that is making peterson cry like a pathetic child at elliot page wanting to be referred to as a a man?

    • @josephgriffin2388
      @josephgriffin2388 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dunno. Jealousy is up there with the others.

    • @RodMartinJr
      @RodMartinJr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@josephgriffin2388 Yes, it is. Jealousy is a form of arrogance -- the self-deception that self is more important, so must remain the center of someone else's attention.

  • @jeremieplourde332
    @jeremieplourde332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Quebecois (Canadian) speaking:
    Praise be, my sister (age 16)’s history teacher is teaching them of the evils of communism! Same thing in another school near, friends of mine have been taught about it as well!
    There is hope!

    • @Valaryant.
      @Valaryant. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Seriously?, that's great!!

    • @carmenlajoie2719
      @carmenlajoie2719 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Communism is an economic theory, people are protected from Monopolies gambling & moneylaundering. Prof Richard Wolff does Economic update & teachs whats happening in all countries.

    • @johnrandall125
      @johnrandall125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm glad to hear that. British school leavers know nothing about the evils of communism. Most have never even heard of Stalin and Mao.

    • @paulpesci1
      @paulpesci1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@carmenlajoie2719
      Wolff is a snake oil salesman

    • @ninjalemurdude
      @ninjalemurdude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My school taught that communism was bad, but didn't do enough to teach what communism really was. Most schools do this in the US. We all learn about the USSR and read Animal Farm. However, there's much more to it than that, and that's why college is "eye opening" for many of these Marxists. Too many people fight communism with hyperbole and dismissive simplification rather than reality. When people suddenly learn there's much more to the story than what they were told, they tend to flip sides.

  • @Ak-ue2yq
    @Ak-ue2yq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What a great man of our times. Respect and admiration from India !

  • @leswhite3524
    @leswhite3524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    It's only appealing to those who are entitlement-minded, who think that personal gain is unfair.

    • @Whoknows285
      @Whoknows285 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@capiche2759 you read one book from Marx? And saying you should Act selfish and the Invisible hand will make everything Just fine is really a Lesson to act responsible

    • @starlightbreaker561
      @starlightbreaker561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if only, it's full of self centered narcissists who fail to see they are (usually) far above the average in their nations, they are just so full of themselves they believe they are owed much much more by everyone around them, and believe it will never come round to them providing the means to someone else's need.

    • @RodMartinJr
      @RodMartinJr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly right, but your statement also reveals their own, built-in hypocrisy: For being "entitlement-minded" is personal gain. In fact, the Left's craving for "security" by having Big Government ends up giving them short-term entitlements and security, but long-term poverty and danger.

    • @Whoknows285
      @Whoknows285 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RodMartinJr "The left" doesnt want No "Big-government" please words have a meaning dont use them If you dont know what you are talking about

    • @leswhite3524
      @leswhite3524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RodMartinJr LOL convince them about that!

  • @M0rmagil
    @M0rmagil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Man, I wish JP and TS had a conversation about what to do about what can be done to reinstate some sanity back in the Anglosphere.

    • @robertopics
      @robertopics 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They can't because both of them are right wingers.

    • @kevinblackburn3198
      @kevinblackburn3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertopics right wingers? You mean the theory to restore personal responsibility for one's life and the reduction of the scope and size of central governments and other bureaucracies?

    • @robertopics
      @robertopics 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinblackburn3198 I wish that was the case, but they are just pandering.

    • @gitman3486
      @gitman3486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertopics They're right wing compared to nutcase leftists but so is everyone who isnt insane

  • @robertabell9182
    @robertabell9182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I didn’t forget to smash that like button Appreciate y’all Dr. Sowell all day long.

    • @robertabell9182
      @robertabell9182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bless you Dr. Sowell all day long.

  • @artofthepossible7329
    @artofthepossible7329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    “Radicalism is a luxury of stability; we may dare to change things only when things lie steady under our hands.” -Will Durant.

    • @s3vxn777
      @s3vxn777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      this is dumb most radical ideas comes from unstable countries e.g unstable germany =hitler, unstable italy =Mussolini

    • @artofthepossible7329
      @artofthepossible7329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@s3vxn777 You name only fascists. The concern here is not Napoleon wannabes but the French Revolutionists, or at the very least those two halves of the French Revolution.

    • @s3vxn777
      @s3vxn777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @ArtofthePossible the "French revolutionists" also came from an unstable economy the fact is that radicalism only occurs when people are uncomfortable and becomes upset with their country's system and most people in America doesn't feel that way you are just overplaying the situation that America is in to fit a narrative that America was perfect before the leftist it wasn't and unless we stop electing dumasses e.g. Biden ,Trump and instead actually try to figure shit out and stop calling reasonable people socialist and racist, America is not going to be perfect.

    • @artofthepossible7329
      @artofthepossible7329 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@s3vxn777 I must thank you, you've gave me stimulus to do some thinking; history is never one for broad generalisations. (Note to self: hit up the relevant volumes of the Story of Civilisation concerning Louis XIV, the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, it might be the first one as stability and the middle one as radicalism).
      Oh don't bother trying to not get dumbasses elected, it would go against democracy ("rule of many" effectively meaning "mob rule" so accurate enough) and be "voter suppression" (which apparently means putting the voting practises of Florida for 20 odd years into another state).

    • @s3vxn777
      @s3vxn777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ArtofthePossible I'm not saying to go against democratic elections I'm saying that Americans should be more educated on who they are voting for to be able to make important decisions e.g.=democrat 2016 nominee which should have been Bernie as much as we are against socialist we can not deny that Bernie was robbed of the nominee and all I'm saying is that Americans should call out the undemocratic actions in our system and I'm 100% sure that Bernie wouldn't have divided the country as much as trump did plus gerrymandering is "voter suppression"
      which republicans and democrats alike have been doing for years to things like this is undemocratic and should be illegal but instead because Americans turn a blind eye to the real issues.
      And also lets take a look at when socialism really started to take root in American culture, it happened when America when at its most economically unstable point "the great depression"

  • @KizaWittaker
    @KizaWittaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I’m native american, or at least half.
    I had a white girl from California at work tell me that I’m a victim.
    I was the highest paid at that company.

    • @xonrob9575
      @xonrob9575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dope profile pic

    • @calin6327
      @calin6327 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you have very impressive watch lists... jung. Nice.

    • @KizaWittaker
      @KizaWittaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks guys

    • @beththomas2222
      @beththomas2222 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Boozhoo niigi!

    • @heheheha5726
      @heheheha5726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm a native american too, two can play at this game
      the higher price at which you're paid does not contribute to the societal structure of laws held against native americans of their culture and to get them to assimilate to become an easy pawn in the structure of capitalism. capitalism has killed our people and the white supremacist structure has easily put us into a "too dumb to work" mindset for a long time which is why native Americans are amongst those that own the least land that has been bought off by capitalists for their own produce and gain. native american or not, it is also important to analyze the class structure of how we get our money, which is through a paycheck that has money taken away not majorly from taxes, as libertarians like to say, but from those very capitalists that are able to extract our surplus labor. being the highest paid in the job is accepting your position in a hierarchy that still steals from you when we can fight to have it all for ourselves. besides, us native americans were large socialists in our own established societies until europe put us in the bottom, which these conservatives want us to play in their system of beliefs about "individualism" when we can be more individual through establishing socialism and having our work hours be in our hands and not fall for being a pawn and calling that "individuals."

  • @ElainesDomain
    @ElainesDomain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The extraordinary ability of Peterson and Sowell to explain the complicated is remarkable. The teachings of either is valuable. Very valuable.

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sure they provide you all the comfort you need to get by in that next day at the office fiddling with a pen and pencil.

  • @kevinquinn7645
    @kevinquinn7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You have to respect a man who can acknowledge when he's wrong.

    • @TerribleTom113
      @TerribleTom113 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, considering Peterson is wrong about nearly everything he says, I'll be awaiting his video acknowledging as much. 😂

  • @graterdeddly9527
    @graterdeddly9527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A coincidence here, Dave Rubin is sitting next to JP and in another video interviewed Sowell and asks him what caused him to see the light and jettison Marxism, to which Sowell replied: “Facts.” To his credit, Rubin loves telling that story and is not at all shy about claiming the reflected glory of it. Marxism has an insidious side to it in that it promises heaven on earth while appealing to one’s worst attributes: vanity, greed, envy, pride.

  • @ThomasDeLello
    @ThomasDeLello 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    [10:34] "... government agencies have their own self interests."
    says it ALL... Thank you Tom.

  • @mickelkobeck7376
    @mickelkobeck7376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Two woke college marxist gave thumbs down. LOL

    • @user-klepikovmd
      @user-klepikovmd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello from June 2022, we don't have dislikes anymore

  • @mademsoisellerhapsody
    @mademsoisellerhapsody 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Worked for a local government entity for 6 months and agree, they work in pursuit of their own self-interest. I will admit, their benefits package was the best I've seen.

  • @MottiShneor
    @MottiShneor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I salute both Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell. Great men. Amazing knowledge. But the most important, I feel (hope I'm not deceived) that they CARE. really care. They want good to happen and be present. They really do. They are not willing to accept evil, and will protest and explain and point out where evil lies. I really salute them both.

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      I surprised you don't click your heels also. Maybe you should nominate them for the goody two shoes award.

  • @starkilr101
    @starkilr101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    If I had a dollar for every time Marxism and socialism actually worked, I’d still have zero

    • @DaniloSantosVieira
      @DaniloSantosVieira 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats why people in socialist countries are poor lol

    • @joeymac4302
      @joeymac4302 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But if you had a dollar for every country that does capitalism better than the USA, you'd have at least a few dollars. We could learn a thing or two from countries that do medicine, education, and housing better than us. It's easy to see that rugged individualism hasn't created any kind of utopia either. And unfortunately, that resulting disparity (whether deserved or not) breeds intense resentment, which threatens the entire system. Inequality isn't intolerable, but it is destabilizing when it becomes stratified to an order of magnitude, as it has become in the USA. We should learn what others do better before it's too late, even if it does involve a tiny bit of socialism, as they do in the Nordic model. We seem to be on the precipice, and there is a very real reason for the current trending appeal of socialism, perfectly interlinked with the disparities in wealth accrual. I myself believe it's a function of financialization through globalization, but not all are experiencing those effects as intensely.

    • @jordanandrew2786
      @jordanandrew2786 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeymac4302 The europoors can keep their 40% tax rates, 9-12 month waiting periods for critical surgery, and terribly expensive housing due to welfare pirates from North Africa and failed Arab states.

    • @joeymac4302
      @joeymac4302 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordanandrew2786 That's an enlightened response, for sure. Sounds very intelligent. Speaking of healthcare, as you suggested our system is superior, how many nordic people lose their homes due to medical bills? How much more do we spend per capita to achieve equal or lesser health outcomes? And why are Americans so fat, if they are healthy and happy, under the most successful economic system in the history of the world? Answer? Probably derp. That seems about your speed, lol. I don't know how anybody could read your response, and think "hey, this guy is right. He clearly understands economic systems". Nope, most people read a response like that and wonder how much of their fellow believers in unfettered capitalism are borderline retarded. Nice!

    • @jordanandrew2786
      @jordanandrew2786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joeymac4302 There are so many topics you address without any depth that I simply don't know where to start. But if you believe that the prosperity of Scandinavians is due to their welfare programs and social benefits, you are sorely mistaken.

  • @draconusspiritus1037
    @draconusspiritus1037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I would dearly love to be able to sit and talk with Mr's Sowell and Peterson. Especially if it could be both at one time. with coffee

  • @mwilliamson4198
    @mwilliamson4198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    What JBP said about mid-level power and how insidious it is - this is absolutely my experience working at entry level job in a large national corporation in Sydney. The higher ups seem to know how to pick the right insecure, power greedy people to be the enforcers of the everyday rules. Quite remarkable

    • @ausbare140
      @ausbare140 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They pick the people who always say yes and never question
      I work in the same kind job.

    • @andrewcheadle948
      @andrewcheadle948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my experience a lot of those who climb the ladder are psychos.
      They have no problem getting the job done, and no care about anyone who stands in their way.

  • @Kevin-hn6wp
    @Kevin-hn6wp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thomas Sowell is a national treasure . We should want our children to aspire to the mansion on the hill instead of bringing him/ her ( don't forget opa ) , down to our level .

  • @theholeymes1
    @theholeymes1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Admiration and respect!!! Bless you guys!! ❤

  • @sheevamatimbas4300
    @sheevamatimbas4300 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One day when they make a film on Sowell's life , should be Epic

  • @glennyj65
    @glennyj65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Personal responsibility, as well as civil responsibility is something that needs to be taught to the youth when they're really young. Teach the importance of law and order. Way too many parents stopped doing that a while back. So, when everything turns to shit again, a new generation will inevitably enslave itself to a handful of literates, who will make war with their neighbor to obtain whatever it is at the time that they don't have, or other circumstance then the cycle begins again. But to believe that personal endeavor can't exist alongside of charity is absurd, even obscene as it paints a grim future with no hope.

  • @deguilhemcorinne418
    @deguilhemcorinne418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Both have enlightened my day !
    M.Peterson explains so well how marxism first appealed to frustrated people, then French intellectuals transmitted a transmutated neo marxism still operating in minds full of resentment, deceit and arrogance, I guess in US universities.
    M. Sowell explains how he let down marxism in 1960, because of the US Federal Dpt of Labor acting to save their own interest.
    Thank you for these brillant explanations.

  • @rickbaker261
    @rickbaker261 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Why does it take ahold in universities? Simple. All the children in college hear is “you are a victim of this institution and state. Rise up!”

    • @arthurhiroa4238
      @arthurhiroa4238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the popularity of Marxist thought at universities is gravely overestimated by people like Peterson. At least where I'm from (Belgium) it doesn't seem prevalent at all. Especially when we're talking about Marxist thought at a theoretical and systematic level. At best a majority of students hold beliefs that you could align with the social democratic side of the political spectrum. And, especially young students, seem to get sucked into this wave of identity politics and social justice issues and the naive ideas that often surround these kinds of problems. But at an institutional level Marxist thought seems to be non-existent.

    • @bobmilleit1976
      @bobmilleit1976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arthurhiroa4238 the school I went to was the same way. My coworkers from a different school are just as he described!

    • @arthurhiroa4238
      @arthurhiroa4238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobmilleit1976 I just find it weird that Peterson frames his observations as tendencies fueled by Marxist/postmodern ideologies. And I don't see it, I learned extensively about the Soviet Union in high school for example, and I know that this is the same in most schools here. Then he talks about the principles of equity, inclusivity, and diversity as if they are Marxist values - which is just ridiculous.

    • @loud6037
      @loud6037 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arthurhiroa4238 It is fairly prevalent in US and to a lesser extent, UK universities, even if the students are mostly unaware that what they're absorbing is Marxist propaganda.
      It's not framed to them as Marxism, even though it's blatantly recognisable if you have studied history at all. Still I do agree with your assessment to an extent. I don't think it's as prevalent in society as it seems to be - I believe a large portion of people, institutions and companies who repeat these ideas are 'playing along' so to speak, whether out of fear or just a dislike of confrontation or a desire to fit in or have a quiet life, or for whatever other reason. I still feel even within the left, the numbers of people who have actually been indoctrinated are vastly smaller in number than it looks from outside.

    • @arthurhiroa4238
      @arthurhiroa4238 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loud6037 But why is it Marxist propaganda? I guess Peterson would say because 'they' view history in terms of oppressed vs oppressor - I guess that is what he calls the leftist 'sleight of hand' because it's not just about economic power relations anymore. But there is nothing singular Marxist about an 'oppressed vs oppressor' narrative. I think the attitudes of the people Peterson tries to antagonize, are mostly a product of a social/political/economic reality (which, even though those words can also be deceptively used, is more globalist/capitalist in nature - again, to me these words are neutral not tied to some controlling elite or something). I think Peterson's claims don't even make sense when you equal Marxism to Neo-Marxist schools of thought.

  • @garyfranco7827
    @garyfranco7827 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I enjoy reading Thomas Sowell's books, I love listening to him speak!

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The book "Freakanomics" is also about incentives and peoples behaviour because of them. The documentary movie "Freakanomics" was very good too. I'm also a big Jordan Peterson fan. Thank you.

    • @seannelson3006
      @seannelson3006 ปีที่แล้ว

      Listen to the Freakanomics Radio Podcast! The author of Freakonomics hosts it. He's been broadcasting for about 8 years now

  • @Ymirson999
    @Ymirson999 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Every time I hear Peterson talk, two things occur to me. I need to watch/listen to more of his videos and I wish I was half that intelligent, well educated and articulate.

  • @brucehutchinson9527
    @brucehutchinson9527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thomas Sowell comments are so insightful.

  • @scratch5120
    @scratch5120 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got excited. Would be a pleasure to see these two men have a conversation.

  • @laprepper
    @laprepper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's easy to blame wealthy people for being poor until you realize the majority of them work their asses off for it. The percentage of trust fund babies out there is relatively rare and there's definitely a great number of people who have inherited wealth and ruined it as opposed to inherited wealth and benefited from it. Just wait till you buy a house or start making more than $10 an hour and you'll start to understand how ridiculous taxes are

  • @gersgrafra5547
    @gersgrafra5547 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would love to see Mr. Peterson and Mr Sowell have a conversation. That would be my utopia.

  • @dothesick
    @dothesick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    3:21 "I teach a personality course, it's like, that's not where you should be learning about the six million Ukrainians who died of starvation in the 1930s." Such profound wisdom from one of the greatest philosophers of all time. He admits that he is not a historian, is not capable of teaching history, and cannot provide the adequate resources to advance historical research. Bravo.

    • @superdingo9741
      @superdingo9741 ปีที่แล้ว

      Had he been a historian, he'd have known that 6-8 million died of starvation in total the Southern regions of the USSR (including the soviet ukraine). Death toll in Ukranian SSR was 2.2-3.8 mil. And most of the people in the soviet ukraine were Russians. In Soviet Russia (aka RSFSR) about 3 mil died of the starvation. And in Soviet Kazahstan about 1.5 mil died. Actually, Kazahstan was the most impacted by the famine as the population of Kazahstan was only 5.9 million people. So 1 out 4 Kazahs died of starvation.

    • @dothesick
      @dothesick ปีที่แล้ว

      @@superdingo9741 lol you clearly are not a historian either

    • @superdingo9741
      @superdingo9741 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dothesick I'm not. But I'm know about the topic.

  • @waynejohn3923
    @waynejohn3923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please get Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell in the same room!

  • @mansonfd7835
    @mansonfd7835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One does not simply, watching Jordan Peterson/Thomas Sowell video without rewinding back to forth countless time.

  • @Auriorium
    @Auriorium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Never underestimate the power of a bureaucrat to create a job for himself.

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      MLK never got to the promised land of Bedford, CA and its bi racial community like Professor Sowell.

  • @richg2881
    @richg2881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love it. I Love it. I love you people. You are the human manifestation of the second law of thermodynamics. Great work! Keep going and never stop. You are the hope of the world. Thank you so much.

    • @froggy187888
      @froggy187888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just to ruin your day, the end result of the second law is the destruction of everything we covet haha. Cherish it to the full.

    • @richg2881
      @richg2881 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@froggy187888 Thanks for your thought. I liked it. My comment however was meant to be ironical or maybe sarcasm. I'm sure which word is better. Anyway, the commenters are a bunch of schmucks.

    • @ljprep6250
      @ljprep6250 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, no, they're =fighting= entropy. ;)

  • @suedavis7451
    @suedavis7451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite speakers are here along with Thomas

  • @Sayuri81554
    @Sayuri81554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1970's. First full time job was in a state agency mail office.
    I was quickly informed, that, I should slow my rate of affixing postage.

  • @donaldcampbell7755
    @donaldcampbell7755 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Both of my favorite intellectuals in one video! Priceless knowledge

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Simpletons with big titles like Doctor and Phd.

    • @donaldcampbell7755
      @donaldcampbell7755 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kimobrien. Besides attacking their character, and work they put in to achieve these titles, what basis do you make your claims for them being simpletons? What have you achieved that places you on a level to proclaim them to be simpletons? Are you omniscient?

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donaldcampbell7755 The only thing more ridiculous than Joe McCarthy accusing the Army and State Dept being infiltrated by communists is Sowell's claim that the US Labor Dept operations convinced him Marx was wrong. Obviously he missed Marx's teaching on the state and its not like the question of the state wasn't in the news at this time since the Cuba revolution was going on in 1960 and the US Gov't hostility to the revolution was on full display while he was at U Chicago listening to Milton Freedman. As early as the Manifesto Marx states that the workers can't readily use the state in their interests. Then later in writing on the Paris commune he commends the Communards on building a new State and then if you still don't understand Marx on the State you have State and Revolution by Lenin. A refutation of the reformists and revisionist views on the state.

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donaldcampbell7755 As far as Professor Peterson goes he appears to be a mass of contradictions. He names his daughter after the last Stalinist leader of the Soviet Union. He appears to have no inkling about the economic workings of capitalism. Talking about the productivity of Elon Musk and not understanding cryptocurrency as flawed as any other currency if not more so. He seems to finally realize that Post Modernist aren't necessarily the inheritors of Marx's ideas.

    • @donaldcampbell7755
      @donaldcampbell7755 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kimobrien. @kimobrien. opinions...much like arse holes...everyone has them, and they all stink. The name he chose for his daughter, what concern is that of yours? Why are you denying him his title of Dr., As you stated in your first comment he's a simpleton with a title. His title was earned, not given. You neglected to answer my other question. What have you achieved that places you on a level to proclaim them to be simpletons? Couldn't your claims be considered conjecture without having debated these men yourself?

  • @soundbite290
    @soundbite290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Social housing in Britain plays the same game. Local government agencies work to effectively force tenants out of their home by making circumstances intolerable to remain. Council tenants then are homeless, are put on another housing list, various housing associations and other charitable organisations. Effectively the whole cycle begins again. In other words, they appear to be helping homeless people when they're actually not doing anything.

  • @branrx
    @branrx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is so true, why do we know so much about Nazis and so little about Stalin and Mao? Never really thought about this until mentioned here.

  • @bhfromnh3914
    @bhfromnh3914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We need more Sowells in this country.

  • @ljprep6250
    @ljprep6250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, a lot to digest from both parties. I love both of these men. What brilliant brains!

  • @robinj.9329
    @robinj.9329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I attended Public School in the 1950's and 1960's. I'm convinced that we gave our Kids a much better Education back then, then kids get today.
    We were taught the difference between Capitolism and Communism. And believe me, none of us thought that either system was "Perfect"!
    Human beings being imperfect can not build a "Perfect" system!
    But we were shown both sides, and were given a "Choice"!
    We could leave, anytime, and join up with the Communist.
    OR........
    We could stay here, and do our best to make our own Country a better place for the next generation.
    Of course, most chose to stay.
    I believe that, because of Communist infiltration of our Education system, millions of our young people have NO IDEA as to the TRUE HISTORY of Communism!
    A flaw we must all work hard to correct.

    • @ChristnThms
      @ChristnThms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      All that sounds good on paper. But your kids were the original participation trophy generation (my generation). How then, do you explain that such an excellent education yielded such horrible results?
      I'd say that you know the tree by its fruit. Rotten fruit does not fall from a healthy tree.
      I know my generation is fucked up. The boomers hold to the idea that they did no wrong, and so the poison continues to flow.
      You guys have a few more years to admit failure. It won't undo it. But it would be a beginning, to admit that this whole thing was a mistake. If the boomer generation dies without collectively admitting their mistakes, their poison will soak the soil for generations to come.

    • @robinj.9329
      @robinj.9329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ChristnThms
      Spoken like a TRUE COMMUNIST!
      Blame someone else, anyone will do, once your evil designs are "Found Out"!
      Cheers Comrade! 😲

  • @e.mz1781
    @e.mz1781 ปีที่แล้ว

    that last part about Sowell's solution to the D.O. Labour's task in 1960 Cuba and his co-worker's response is just incredible

  • @chissstardestroyer
    @chissstardestroyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And if you study USA history, socialism has been around far before Marx, on the order of approximately 250 years before him as an economic system that he should've *known* would fail; the early Plymouth settlers tried it, and within a *year* they were starving. But upon instituting private property ownership, they more than recovered within the same timespan.

  • @spc2448
    @spc2448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Free market works government control don't. need we say more

  • @advancedomega
    @advancedomega 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Communism can always attracts young people. The "Crusade against injustice of the world" part is misguided to say the least, but it is still always attractive to young people who want to have impact, to change the world.

  • @jhas727
    @jhas727 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is it, when I watch this I see the host as a little excited kid talking to someone so much bigger then him and realizing it while making the best effort to drive an honest and big interview.

  • @michaelmontano4280
    @michaelmontano4280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked when that guy in the beginning mentioned college campuses as prime example.

  • @richardque1036
    @richardque1036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Reason why marx is so appealing same thing why bernie madoff is so appealing

  • @Mantikal
    @Mantikal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    8:52 on the timeline ...
    This story reminds me of a book that I ran across a long time ago (written by a complex systems theorist) titled "Systemantics: How Systems Work and Especially How They Fail" by John Gall
    I can't find the exact quote of one of his "rules from observation" but it went something like this "When a system has grown large enough, it will always turn against it's stated mission"
    “Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution.” - Clay Shirky (a teacher, consultant & writer on the social & economic effects of internet technologies)
    "Our mission is to erase cancer from the face of the Earth - we'll start hiring now" - Yeah, right!!!
    "Yo, John (shifty eyed with head looking side to side like he/she is being tracked by the cops) why don't hook me and my other family members with a job in that place? C'mon hook me bro." These characters could care less about "your mission." They just want a steady check at your expense - and to that end, "the problem" your project came into existence to fight against - must never be fixed.

  • @dongaetano3687
    @dongaetano3687 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't see my name in comments but watched again guys ... c'est magnifique!!

  • @bishopakpan2284
    @bishopakpan2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I identify with "Marxists". I share the same traits with them.
    I envy others who are doing far better than me so I wish they were equals with me.
    I resent their having more than I have because it makes me feel socially outside their group or class.
    I am afraid to shoulder the responsibility that comes with being an adult. I'd prefer to live off someone else's hard work and effort.
    The only problem is that it is less dignifying.
    I am naturally given to the love of pleasure and ease which makes work seem like a necessary evil.
    I am afraid of failure and I assumed the world to be unfair hence my excuses for not wanting to try or persist when I meet with obstacles.
    An easy life is what I deserve so I assumed but my assumption keeps getting knocked over when life tends to demand more from me in the face of challenges that defy that assumption.
    Freedom for me and for many other "Marxists" like me means doing whatever I like. But the cold reality of taking the responsibility that comes with that freedom is what we'd readily ignore and then blame others for our personal failure to do so.
    It is easier to stay down than to go up. It is easier to fail than it is to succeed.
    If you can fault those lines, please bring your counter view with examples and I'll bring mine with my own examples.
    The truth is "Marxism" is a trait in every one of us.
    It is not unique to a group of people who are more manifesting of that trait. But it is a trait like some many other negative traits that must be weeded out of our system by facing the truth of how the laws of life work.
    We deceive ourselves by thinking we can undo the laws of life, that we can go against them. We think we can redefine life and change its course. What a foolish idea! I have suffered needless and preventable pain and hardship by trying to do so.
    When I see other fools on the same path, I know they'll get beaten on their backs with blows that might leave them crippled and handicapped for life. Or if they are truly wise as they claim, they'll own up to their foolishness by listening to those who've traveled that same path and were fortunate to retreat once they saw where it leads. Selah.

    • @117Industries
      @117Industries 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good comment. I'm no Marxist, but I do think that there is dangerously disproportionate power and wealth in the hands of the elite, and that this should be addressed now, and through institutional reformation to prevent the same thing occuring so readily in the future.

  • @ghostriderblaze17
    @ghostriderblaze17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    College children don't own land . So they don't understand the concept

  • @zackcook5123
    @zackcook5123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    One of the great failures of British education is not teach what these things are.
    For a portion of my teenage years I had been convinced that Britain was a socialist utopia that proved communism right.
    Thankfully that nonsense was dealt with due to videos like this. It took me looking into things and happening on skeptical things.

    • @kimobrien.
      @kimobrien. ปีที่แล้ว

      Now that your convinced Britain is a capitalist utopia you can retire for the night.

  • @redtobertshateshandles
    @redtobertshateshandles ปีที่แล้ว

    I was raised left wing by my dad. And pragmatist by my mum. Mild Socialism isn't too crazy, but how do you regulate extremes ?? My dad grew up in a very poor area and time. So did my mum. Dad is a dreamer.

  • @Ukepa
    @Ukepa ปีที่แล้ว

    both Sowell and Peterson are great at finding reasons for things and wonderful at explaining those reasons

    • @tw3f4tes52
      @tw3f4tes52 ปีที่แล้ว

      Easy to criticise when you can distort the thing you criticise however much you please because your audience haven’t the slightest clue what it really is anyway.

  • @coldspring624
    @coldspring624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It is not appealing in the least

  • @brettschlee7090
    @brettschlee7090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "Why is Marxism so appealing?"...Because we are born hating God and any system that claims/promises to take His place as the Ultimate Authority to which we are accountable, while also offering peace, joy and racial unity (things that are only found in Christ), will be longed for and promoted as beneficial. We know from history Marxism is false in all its claims... Christ is the only answer, personally and politically.

    • @ThomasSowellTV
      @ThomasSowellTV  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm with you on this. Thank you.

    • @WayneLynch69
      @WayneLynch69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ThomasSowellTV
      Marxism is so appealing because revolution is so sexy.
      It's evolutionarily encoded in higher mammals to overthrow the reigning, reproducing male
      to make more heterogeneous the gene pool. The sexy component of course applies not
      at all to our political/social bodies, they're responding only to the prurient impulse.
      Why they always swallow their tails when describing their "politics"; they're deluded sociopaths.

    • @Realist-sh3dg
      @Realist-sh3dg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Karl Marx's Capital can be read as a work of economics, sociology and history. He addresses a myriad of topics, but is most generally trying to present a systematic account of the nature, development, and future of the capitalist system. There is a strong economic focus to this work, and Marx addresses the nature of commodities, wages and the worker-capitalist relationship, among other things. Much of this work tries to show the ways in which workers are exploited by the capitalist mode of production. He also provides a history of past exploitations. Marx argues that the capitalist system is ultimately unstable, because it cannot endlessly sustain profits. Thus, it provides a more technical background to some of his more generally accessible works, like The Communist Manifesto. Sumary of Das Kapital, everything the man said about capitalism is happening in America as we speak. Ultimate Authority to which we are accountable, while also offering peace, joy and racial unity (things that are only found in Christ), InThe Christian country (America) you can't be serious.

    • @aksks762
      @aksks762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Realist-sh3dg Capitalism died decades and has given way to Corporate Facism. The Left is now wedded to the corporations that they once hated. It has several layers now. Corporations don’t mind it. They can make even more money by sweet govt deals both nationally and internationally. Globalists love the Left. They are in a win-win situation. Communists love it also. They can see their wonderful earthly utopia just on the horizon. It will be different this time though. They won’t murder as many ppl probably. The Left is so loving, tolerant, and compassionate. And ppl will be singing their praises as ppl are lined up against walls and boarded on trains again.

    • @Realist-sh3dg
      @Realist-sh3dg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aksks762 fascism
      [ˈfaSHˌizəm]
      NOUN
      an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
      synonyms:
      authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · despotism · autocracy · absolute rule · Nazism · rightism · militarism · nationalism · xenophobia · racism · anti-Semitism · [more]
      (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

  • @no-bozos
    @no-bozos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In today's society people place so much value on wealth and money. They also think of it as a metric for self worth. So, when someone flips that script and tells you that you, the menial laborer, are the better person and that you should be valued above the wealthy, it strikes an emotional chord. So the thought of taking away the thing that you think of as a value judgement away from someone, who doesn't deserve it, and giving it to you is a philosophy that sounds right and justified.
    The problem is that the people selling you this snake-oil are only interested in stealing the money from the wealthy for themselves. Worse than that, they're willing to kill you later if you question their motives. The wealthy person, in a free market, could simply be replaced or pushed out with a better product or marketing campaign. No violence necessary.

  • @pauldemeester9298
    @pauldemeester9298 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Because this is what the professor’s in college are teaching our youth

  • @delcapslock100
    @delcapslock100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    American Socialism: when people I don’t like benefit from government spending.

    • @philmccloskey1013
      @philmccloskey1013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As of right now that’s what we are experiencing unfortunately

  • @TheAIishere
    @TheAIishere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That title only makes sense because nobody here is going to bother to read marx or fact check the idiots who claim his ideas are worthy.

  • @wolfu597
    @wolfu597 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Concerning Mao, I've just finished the book "Mao Zedong. The unknown story", by Jung Chang. Highly recommendable if you want to know the entire story of Mao. It's a bit on the thick side, but it's justified by its content. In 1964, the CCP detonated its first atomic bomb, thanks in large part to support in terms of funds, materials and know-how from Soviet Russia.
    The cost of that one bomb, was 4,1 billion, (1957) US dollars. That amount of money, according to the author, could have bought enough food to give every person in China, an extra 300 life saving calories, every day, for two whole years. Not much by our modern standards, but it would have saved 38 million people from starving to death. Imagine what kind of person it takes to do that?
    When you talk about the damage, and the death toll, caused by the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, try compare those death tolls caused by Mao's bomb!

  • @colinbateman8233
    @colinbateman8233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We’ve grown to accept the version of history that has been fed to us through a combined political view of a select few unfortunately our complacency has not pushed many to explore further into the past or to gain true understanding of where we game from

  • @BV-jq2vg
    @BV-jq2vg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Marxism is appealing for the same reason superhero movies are appealing. We all know what human physical limitations look like and sometimes it’s fun to fantasize(key word) about people with super powers. We know it isn’t real, but that’s what makes it the funnest thing to watch. In the same sense, everyone knows deep down that hard work, smart work, entrepreneurship, thriftiness, self responsibility, free markets, private property and wisdom can make you rich over the long term, and that overspending and no personal responsibility and laziness and bad decisions will make you poor. Inequality makes you jealous and competitive people are intimidating to less competitive people. So it’s fun for the less educated and more creative personalities to dream of a world where everyone is equal and we all share the wealth and blah blah blah. But that’s all it is, a dream, that’s why it’s so attractive. Reality is pretty boring and looks like a lot of work and misery and nobody is dreaming of more reality. So they dream of what could never actually work because it’s more fun, not to mention the emotional sense of superiority and self-righteousness.
    Consider this, with all the countries and cultures in this world and all the history over thousands of years, if marxism actually worked, wouldn’t it already be the de-facto system? Wouldn’t we eventually end up in a marxist system where the intellectuals fantasize about free markets then if they didn’t actually work better?

    • @ChristnThms
      @ChristnThms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All true. But you can just say childish jealousy, and be just as accurate. Marx was, and marxism is, nothing more than a tantrum thrown by beggar demanding to be a king.

  • @gregsmith7949
    @gregsmith7949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a simple Man. I see Thomas Sowell AND Jordan Peterson and I immediately watch.

  • @Nobody-pi7hz
    @Nobody-pi7hz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Empower Yourself. Test yourself. Manage yourself. Love yourself.

  • @TheOrdener
    @TheOrdener 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would have liked to hear Onkar Ghate’s View on that question.

  • @andrewlankford9634
    @andrewlankford9634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    JP nailed it.

  • @codymccabe9050
    @codymccabe9050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Both are Brilliant

  • @leonardthelean
    @leonardthelean ปีที่แล้ว

    Here is my observation, which I, ironically, learned in the Navy, especially bootcamp. Commuism allows the weak, disinterested, unwilling. and so on to hide in the crowd. That hiding allows them to take advantage of the efforts of the strong and productive while not contributing a penny. It was so frusttrating to have to carry people who were just not capable or unwilling to put in any effort. And, when they did found out by the leadership, the rules of the Navy did not allow those individuals to be singled out for punishment. EVERYONE was punished equally. It is THIS rule that leads to hazing and backroom punishments by the squad. The Marines are the only service that singles out troublemakers for punishment. It certainly shows in their esprit.
    It stuns me how much of what is being said and done today by the left almost perfectly reflects the antagonists in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Even much of the language of the antogonistics characters in her novel is being said by the left today.

  • @peteroehring695
    @peteroehring695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, Nietzsche predicted that! Thanks for exposing the truths in this video.

  • @donaldcleckner9126
    @donaldcleckner9126 ปีที่แล้ว

    Equity - redistribute wealth to people who did not earn it. Diversity - bring in people who are not competent enough to deserve to be there. Inclusivity - bring everyone into a group, a collective that is run by an authority, ie. dictatorship.

  • @Azraiel213
    @Azraiel213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    People have forgotten that their rulers are supposed to be their servants; respectful, dutiful, and most importantly, fearful of the public's displeasure.
    Remind them who their masters are.

  • @covercalls88
    @covercalls88 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What made me a anti Marxism is the few communications my mother received from China from 1949 to 1955. Things were really bad there.

  • @robboots3440
    @robboots3440 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so tired of watching people sit in air-conditioned theaters, in chairs from antique roadshow, debate politics and their meanings.
    I just talked to some people who live outside today...
    This society is stupid.

  • @ericplummer4089
    @ericplummer4089 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love hear Mr. Sowell explain it!
    Peterson aint bad either lol

  • @fredyyfredfreddy
    @fredyyfredfreddy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1. It as a system that is easy to understand in theory, which gives pseudo intellectuals a chance to feel smarter than they are. Fully understanding how a mixed economy works takes years of studies meanwhile. 2. It appeals to the sense of justice in people and it makes them feel (self) righteous. It should also be noted that in the 1890 ies Europe was still waking up from feudalism and most wealth was inherited. Those that worked in industries were usually poorly paid and lived under squalid conditions.

  • @Daily_Llama
    @Daily_Llama ปีที่แล้ว +1

    00:34 Because we do not teach people Economics and we don’t make our kids study Civics. Our children are not citizens of this country any longer. They have only been raised to be RESIDENTS.

  • @manage7383
    @manage7383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "and I said what is this" "and Marx seemed to explain that". Wow! WOW! If I'd of known it was that simple,all those years spent in college was frankly an unnecessary waste of time. All I had to do was read Marx.