Utah leaving Big 12 for the ACC? It would make NO sense right now l College Football Podcast
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- Sports reporter/columnist Dick Weiss tweeted that Utah could be looking at exiting the Big 12 to move to the ACC. That move wouldn't make sense, at least not while the ACC is unable to offer stability in its league.
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Utah leaving Big 12 for the ACC? It would make NO sense right now
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Man, personally I'd like to see Utah find a way into the B1G.
Utah AD crushed this with extreme prejudice yesterday.
Maybe the ACC is not as unstable as you think. Maybe only FSU leaves and maybe even they don't. Lots of stuff out there about the state of NC, politics in VA and Fla and SC politics saying no to FSU and Clemson.
You’re right, the ACC is probably more unstable than I could think! The ACC is a future G5 conference; by 2030 the ACC will be G5!
@@timbruchmiller1042 ACC depletion just pushes the BIG12 further down. If the ACC reaches G5 level, the BIG12 would already be there. Just amazing how BIG12 fans can't see this.
Utah has more in common with the ACC schools academically, but the Big 12 is more stable at the moment.
After the SEC/B1G finish consolidating, the ACC should be just as stable as the BIG12. I don't see any current ACC interest in UTAH; CAL+2 barely got accepted. I could see some mutual 4C interest with the future ACC after it depletes out.
It’s more likely they’d go to the Big Ten if the Big Ten is ready to go to 24.
I agree Utah should wait until we see who ( if anyone) leaves the ACC. The worst case scenario is Utah joins the ACC, is stuck until 2036, miss the Big 10 opportunity and other schools like ASU or even A&M end up there instead.
The BIG we'll probably not go above 20 unless ND is available. Utah was already vetted by them several months ago and had the opportunity to add them and ultimately only added only Oregon and Washington.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np Both the SEC and Big Ten will add more if good opportunities present themselves. Number of reasons why. But they both can choose who, how many, and when at their own choosing. That’s the great thing about being the big dogs. I don’t want it to go beyond 24, but up to 24 is not unrealistic, and yes, Notre Dame will be one when they realize they need to join a conference.
@@mark8337 don't hold your breath on Utah to the BIG. I don't see the BIG going above 20 unless ND becomes available. Supposedly ESPN doesn't want to fund more than 2 teams to the SEC at this time. I do believe Utah will routinely win the Big 12 and be the next villain in that conference. The team everyone is trying to beat.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1npeven Washington and Oregon were a No until Fox moved 60 million budgeted for Pac content to them. 2026 Fox has 45 million freeing up from the MWC contract. That’s enough for 2 additions when factoring in conference loans and vesting to a full member for the 2030 contract negotiations.
Spencer, I do think that there are reasons for Utah to go to the ACC. However, I do agree with you that it is unlikely to happen.
Idk I think it makes a lot of sense when you look at everything. Why not take the risk? The Big 12 is always going to take Utah if they can.
Just not worth the risk right now I don't think
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball What's the risk? Either UTAH eventually makes the ~48-team Tier 1 cut ~or~ it ends in the better Tier 2 from its perspective.
@@tarheel7406 I don’t see the risk, the Big 12 will take them now or in 5 years. I’d make the move personally if I was them.
@@Conorj398Utah is a nobody who thinks they're somebody. No way we take them back if they spurn us for a sinking ship. Utah likes to think they're Alabama tier when they won't even won the Big XII.
2027 will be the year Utah might consider it .... However if Clemson and Florida State both leave, and ESPN is reassessing the value of the ACC in 2027 there's a high likelihood they will not value the conference as high. If North Carolina leaves too, which would be huge, it would trigger Pitt Louisville maybe NC State to get out of dodge. I don't know what Miami does. Long story short Utah would be pissed to be in another Pac-12 situation, so I don't think they are going anywhere.
Come on, Spence. Everyone knows Cal needs a travel partner for when the Bears move to the ACC. Utah would be a perfect paring. 🤪
you got messages? Obviously the messages were from the Locked on Big12 guy lol. You guys are conspiring.
Hahahahahaha conspiring for what?
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball sending out the same propaganda lol.
If(when) FSU leaves the ACC will break up. A condensed ACC, 8-10 schools, will have a good shot at Utah and other BIG12 schools. It simply makes too much sense. The top programs left out of the BIG10 and SEC won't team up? why not?
They will build the strongest conference that they can. Utah is one of those schools.
Nonsense.... FSU is not crucial for ACC survival as a Tier 2.
The rest makes some sense.
@@tarheel7406 The top brands in the ACC won't want to subsidize the bottom anymore. Not when they are falling behind. The ACC is dying and the BIG12 dies the day after. BC and Cinci are both headed to the G5.
@@frictionhitch The top brands in the ACC will move to the SEC/B1G, leaving a Tier 2 ACC with more fungible brands. At that point, any 4Cs that didn't make the Tier 1 cut should consider moving to the ACC to create the best Tier 2 with unified branding.
They can leave, all they do is cry about everything, They just be going to another conference that is falling a part.
In context, the BIG12 has already fallen apart.
Usually I have much longer comments. This one is simple, two words, Not Happening.
Nice clickbait!
It was a old article by a sports writer in New York that has now resurfaced on X. All I needed to know about that Utah to ACC report.
These podcasts don’t look at factual details like when, where, how or why.
An old article that the journalist just posted on his own account... yesterday?
@robertgoodson5528 yep he originally wrote it before the he recent expansion of the BIG12. Now, with the ACC in the news over fate of the Conference he posted the same thing 2 days ago on his "X" account.
@@chucky0034 Gotcha. Maybe his sources are telling him that it's back in play. I don't know. I just have a hard time discounting statements from HoF journalists by hand-waving away what they're saying, because it doesn't fit the current narrative, etc.
@robertgoodson5528 Skip "Baseless" is a HoF guy as well, and he tends to post on "X" all day long. Doesn't mean for one minute that it's the gospel or sourced.
Ground-breaking stuff by Goober Willis. Lane gets beat up every year by Kirby and Saban and finally says, “hey maybe we need to go get dudes on defense.” Wow
Yeah, not a big upside going from the Big12 to the ACC, and you get more travel,.
Better overall athletics, better academics, higher prestige.
UTAH is not a legacy brand in either athletics or academics. It's understandably concerned about the huge downgrade in association.
I wish the BIG could have saved Utah, Arizona and ASU. Why is Utah talking openly about the disgrace of joining the conference of misfits???
As PAC schools they were associated with the likes of USC,UCLA, Stanford and Cal Berkeley...now they are associated with the likes of West Virginia, Cincinnati, TcU and Baylor. The best academically is Baylor at 85 in the US News and World report!!! You are known by the company you keep, going to the ACC would make the ACC remain stronger than the leftover 12 brands and improve they academic association with like minded schools!!!
To consolidate deep/wide enough to separate and have their own playoff, the P2 will likely need some 4Cs. The ACC and ND need to be sorted out first.
Yes, the Big XII is a bunch of "misfits." Can't wait to hear you change that tone when the ACC dissolves because of FSU and Clemson leaving. Enjoy the sinking ship!
@@richgerow3472 In context, the BIG12 has already sunk. The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net).
Are they going to move the entire state of Utah closer to the Atlantic ?
Hey, teams from Texas and California are in the Atlantic Coast Conference now....
@@atgdcommish608 first biology then geography…. These universities gotta stop messing with the sciences
Utah just cant get over themselves
I know. I wish they would leave. Their fanbase is horrible. Every bit as arrogant as OU and Texas fans.
@@richgerow3472 thats funny cause many of us utah fans are happy to be in the Big 12 but some how you guys like to put crazy things out there so maybe your the horrible Karen fans?
Utah could have gone to the ACC before joining the B12. B12 has BYU and from a TV market perspective, they don’t need Utah. If Utah wants to leave, see ya.
Would be a huge hit to lose Utah and would lose a huge part of the market of Utah. Unless the money in ACC is that much greater than B12, Utah is staying in B12.
No... The ACC internally considered UTAH and passed. There was some late reconsideration when the PAC finally collapsed, but there was never an invite to any 4C. CAL+2 barely made it with ND pushing them.
Make no sense? Really? The B12 has no major brands left, and the Utes would probably rather compete in big time matchups against bigger brands in all their sports. Plus, the per school distribution is higher now and into the future in the ACC.
All the talking heads are wrong. The ACC will come out rosie in the end. The B12 is destined to be a group of 6 school down the road and the ACC is destined to be a power 3 conference.
Not if FSU, Clemson and UNC leaves!
@@chrissimpson2579 they have no home. The SEC and the B94 have no interest right now. The B12 would be a downgrade.
@@zanymonster FSU, Clemson and UNC are 100% leaving. You don't file all these lawsuits unless your hellbent on getting out and have a pretty good idea of where you're going to end up. The ACC without those brands is not a good conference and frankly it's pretty close to the Big12 with those brands. I'd personally have the Big12 slightly higher because of how deep the conference is.
@@michaeldavis2966 they have no where to go.
@@zanymonster There is no evidence or reporting to support the idea that they have nowhere to go. Logic tells us you don't spend millions of dollars in legal fees to get out of a league without at least having some back channel conversations about where you are going to end up.
UNC is a huge brand and would get an invite to either the BIG or SEC and FSU and Clemson would likely end up in the BIG.
Until the acc loses Clemson Miami and Florida state plus VT UNC UVA NC STATE Louisville is better than the big 12 sorry but true we’ve done more in football then them
Boy, that's a good one. You're a G5 without Clemson and Florida State. See, kids, this is why you don't smoke crack.
@@richgerow3472 looks like you could use some.. lol who does the big 12 have better than them honestly without calling me a name lol
If the universities could easily get out of the GoR then they would've settled by now. The ACC is more secure, because its GoR locks everyone into the conference until 2036 (despite Florida State's assertions to the contrary). Also, you're acting as if Clemson and Florida State aren't in on the decision to pursue Utah (which, along with Cal, Stanford, Arizona, and Arizona State, is who the conference was pursuing before the Pac-12 collapsed). Want to know why Utah is back in play (allegedly)? Money. The House settlement is going to cost every university $20-22 million, and the ACC pays more. The end. Do you know what'll make Clemson and Florida State happy? More money. Do you know what'll get everyone more money and cut down on travel costs? Adding Utah to the ACC. Also, I'm happy to see that you took the time to read the journalist's biography. People with Hall of Fame careers (as evidenced by the fact that he is... you know... a member of your profession's Hall of Fame) don't make wild a** assertions that have the ability to risk their reputation. If he's making the statement then you can bet there's something to it. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Thinking the ACC is more stable while two of their members are literally currently suing them.
This is why you don't smoke crack, kids.
@@richgerow3472 Ignoring that the report has been debunked (at least, temporarily) by the Utah AD, believing that either university will get out of the conference's GoR before 2036 without a settlement (which the ACC has no reason to do) is why you don't smoke crack, kids. By the way, yes, the ACC is more stable, and the rationale is simple: The ACC pays out more money, has better brands, better markets, an exclusive partnership with ESPN/ABC, a higher payout from the CFP, etc. Want to know why this report surfaced? It's simple: In light of the House settlement, many people believe there were high-level discussions being had about Utah's possible interest in pursuing the championship purses from the ACC (which will see the overall payout for the winner shoot up to $70 million annually). Toss-in the reduced travel from having a western division for the conference and the temporary floor from the normal distributions, and everything starts to become... complicated. Enjoy whatever it is that you do.
3rd league? WTF. Big12 is 4th hands down. We need a new host. This guy cant hide his bias.
You should circulate that take in Big 12 twitter circles, I'm sure nobody will push back in any way
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball The BIG12 is the worst P4 (by far) in athletics, academics, prestige and value. It's the only original P5 that got relegated down to a Tier 2 level and survived. This isn't really in reasonable dispute.
How the ACC will end after this realignment is an open question.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I don't want to circulate anything in that echo chamber.
@@tarheel7406 Big 12 is way better than the ACC. The ACC is G5 plus Clemson and Florida State.
@@falcn828 "I don't want to talk in the Big XII echo chamber, so I'm going to stick to the ACC echo chamber."