Offering a Cure - Law & Order
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From Season 5, Episode 1 "Second Opinion" - An investigation is launched when a woman's body begins to emit toxic fumes after she is treated in a hospital for terminal breast cancer.
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"....they're all dead?......" Gave me chills
every. single. time.
How are they going to talk to someone if they have kicked the bucket.
I was looking for this 😢.
But, yet another quote from this episode "Do you have anything you'd like cut off?"
the look of horror on his face when he says “They’re all dead?”
Jack McCoy has a point. If I was sick, I wouldn't want someone to make me feel better by giving me sugar pills and snake oil.
Besides, Louis Pasteur wasn't a physician, but he was a biologist.
Don't forget, Pasteur lived during a time where a lot of medical roles still weren't really defined and education in anything advanced was limited. It's a mistake to compare things to a different time.
This episode expressed one of the many reasons why I disliked Kincaid.
Was he not a milk specialist?
Louis Pasteur wouldn't pretend he was a doctor, though. He wouldn't give people medical advice and watch patients die with his pseudo cures.
@@patrikbengtsson3883 No, he researched disease and discovered that there were harmful bacteria in dairy/milk. He figured out a way to get out that bacteria with the Pasteurization process. You were close, though. He also helped further research into vaccines. Pasteur was big on making sure that children didn't die from diseases that were common in his period (like Smallpox, etc.).
Anyone who would stop showing you affection just because your body changes isn't a good partner.
Yeah. My heart goes out to her but that's hardly the doctor's fault. That's the husband's fault and he should be ashamed.
@@830toAwesome agree
obviously we know that the intention from the writer is that the husband finds her less attractive now, but in real life many women who have had mastectomies who feel this way are actually projecting their own dislike of their post-surgery bodies onto their partners and both partners are failing to communicate. She dislikes her body and doesn't want to be intimate for fear of rejection, he's unsure of how to make her feel safe and comfortable so is waiting for her to be ready, she sees him not making a move as confirmation of her feelings and it's a vicious cycle. You see it in women who've just had babies too.
Psychologist here who had a married patient post mastectomy in a similar situation. In my situation...The husband didn’t want to touch her not because he wasn’t attracted to her anymore, but because of fear of fragility. What I hated in this episode is that it projected a negative perspective on mastectomies and women’s introspective valuations post-mastectomy. We do extensive counseling in many cases pre and post mastectomy (at least in my area) and we help the patients and their families adjust to the cancer treatment. We usually start counseling with the diagnosis as, in many cases, chemotherapy and radiation treatment is a huge paradigm shift for many individuals and they need help in coping with the new diagnosis. So, if surgical interventions are needed, then through counseling, we help them see that surgery is not the end, but the beginning. But, in many cases, the spouses are afraid that intercourse is just taxing on the spouse and they don’t want to hurt them. I’m sure if that woman who mentioned that she hadn’t been touched by her husband had mentioned that to her oncologist...they would’ve referred her and her husband to couple’s counseling to address that instead of her silently suffering alone.
Happens all the time.
"Excuse me?!"
"Don't mention it."
Lol, oh Lenny...
He was one of the best law and order characters out there!!! Plus I loved him and detective green (Jesse L Martin) as a combo. RIP Jerry
I was also looking for this comment 😂.
Choosing between Stone and McCoy is like choosing between steak and lobster. You can't go wrong.
The difference is that I actually wanted to sleep with McCoy ;)
theiran 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 good answer
@@theiran oh
I mean, if you have a shellfish allergy
@@ceciliakaas3580 oh yeah
"My husband hasn't touched me since." And you think he'll touch you if you were a corpse?
Exactly. As I mentioned in one of my response, this episode comes down to their body image or their life. Which one is more important to the patient?
With some of the guys I've been with... probably.
@@chloeirvine78 You've been involved with necrophiles? 😂
he technically would... to show final respect lol
@@Deborahtunes I think your comment is utter bullshit. It doesn't have to do with body image. That implies that a woman is too shallow to cut her breasts off if she has cancer. And you're implying she deserves to die if she isn't willing to get hacked up. Maybe I just don't want some quack with a knife hacking parts off me. Maybe, just maybe there should be other options to choose from besides die or get cut up. And, no, that doesn't make me shallow or a coward.
I actually started feeling bad for Haas (or however her last name's spelled). Up until Jack asked if everyone else on the list were dead.
Yeah but even then? That was their choice. As long as they were well informed why should the law care
@@Bulhbluhbuy but they weren't well informed. Her patients believed they were being cured, but instead many of them died from otherwise treatable points
If Haas hadn't promised a cure, it would have simply been a debate on quantity vs qualify of life.
If a person is told they might die in 6 months, but they could extend their life by another 6 if they underwent a long series of painful and humiliating medical procedures, plenty of people would pick the former. Haas giving them a remedy to relieve their pain during their potentially short remainder of life would have been something tolerable.
But acting like going with her "alternative" like it is going to have the same or better effect than those medical procedures is a lie for profit, plain and simple.
"my husband hasnt touched me since" thats his problem, not hers. god this episode makes me angry.
Ollie Pop If I had been her doctor I would’ve advised she and her husband go into counseling. He for the reasons you just stated, and her because the procedure while life-saving was obviously Traumatic, she shouldn’t have to suffer in silence.
Yes that's his problem not hers
That's what I said, if your husband stops being romantic with you just because you don't have breasts then he probably wasn't a good pick in the 1st place.
Angela Hunter
That’s a simplistic view - having had family who is going through this after a radical mastectomy many husbands are simply scared - is she still in pain? Will touching her cause more pain? Where and how should I touch her now? Is it ok to touch her now? How often is it ok to touch her? Will she think bad of me if I touch her? Will she think I like her body more because of the reconstruction if I touch her?
There is a re-learning if intimacy that couples go through when one of them has had such radical surgery, and fear and caution on the part of your partner is a natural reaction. It is a very difficult period with a lot of difficult emotion which is why couples should go to counseling, but fear is a natural emotion.
CX A340 plus, iirc, a husband snaps in court when confronted about lack of intimacy, yelling something like “at least I *have* my wife!” I think it’s nice that they showed the difficulties of cancer. It’s not just about surviving.
I hope you and your loved ones are getting all the assistance you need and doing more than just surviving. Stay safe out there.
2:20 - Jack McCoy reaching for the paper she put on his desk. Basically me for the last 12 months during the pandemic. 😂
I just realized why she didn't give him the paper in the first place. Most weren't checked...
I was partial to the Ben Stone character , yet , in all fairness . The Jack McCoy character has its own aura. While both were portrayed as passionate DA’s , Stone’s character was hinged on imputing fairness and justice, while McCoy’s was hinged on winning cases.
Ben Stone’s character made concessions and compromises when it was the right thing to do. Jack McCoy’s character had one track mind , winning and taking no prisoners. This is highlighted few episodes on the series.
Whoever did the script had these distinctions of character and attitude in mind. Perhaps once they recasted the role from Michael Moriarty to Sam Waterson they realized they needed to create a brand new animal.
Over the time you got to appreciate each one of them on the merits of their interpretations and the strength of the scripted material.
Same go for the investigators, assistant DA’s, precinct captains , and defense attorneys
On Defense Attorneys notice they use some guest actors / actresses only for one specific DA. Ben Stone’s character often traded jabs against Shamballa Green’s character ( one of my favorites, a stunner of ebony queen with attitude and moxie ), and that elder Irishman ( I can’t remember his name ).
So what is your thoughts on "SVU" ?
Nice analysis!
Max Greevey
I don't think McCoy was about winning. I don't really know how to say it because my English is poor but I think McCoy's drive was following the law.
Akinlabi St.Clair did not like it at all. They over milked the series.
Claire: Hoss has a wall full of credentials she’s a legitimate scientist.
Me: and Bernie Madoff had a degree in political science, that doesn’t mean Someone should take his advice on how to vote regarding investment law.
A political science degree is not the same as a law degree 😂
lol good one
@@JL_Lux no it isn’t but just because someone has a proven certificate or legal evidence they are called to be what they are .. their actions can prove against it aka Fraud behavior
Political science is the same as a liberal arts degree just extra highschool
You literally talked to the screen 😂
I would have loved to see McCoy mention Dr. Frances Oldham Kelsey at the FDA: the doctor who blocked approval of thalidomide in the USA in the 1960s and thus largely spared the US the horrific tragedy of babies who suffered horrific birth defects caused by the drug. Yes, the women in this L & O stories are dangerously ill, but there is no sense gambling on inadequately researched and too quickly approved medicines that could make things far, far, worse.
She was awarded the President's Award for Distinguished Federal Civilian Service by President John F. Kennedy because of that. I always thought that if they ever updated his book Profiles of Courage, she should have been put in there.
I actually did know one guy in school who had that deformity. No arms just hands at where his elbows should be. He could still shoot hoops though
My friend Mark was one of those babies. His arms were severely deformed, he had large transparent cysts all over his body and he was in and out of hospitals his entire life. Our sophomore year of college was almost his last, and I roomed alone most of that year. He overcame it all, though. He graduated with a master's degree from Harvard, had a successful career, married and had a daughter. Unfortunately, he died of what amounted to skin cancer in his lungs at age 45. His mother always blamed herself for Mark's physical condition and death. She had a stroke while driving and died just eight weeks after he did. Less than a year later, his father shot himself. The thalidomide that she took in the late 1950s, in my opinion, killed them all.
The story of thalidomide made a big impression on me when I heard it. The photos of those children are something I will always remember. As a result I never took anything for my morning sickness for all 9 months worth.
This story also made me very Leary of any medicine/vaccine that didn't come with years of clinical trials.
When my daughter was about 15, her pediatrician asked if I wanted her to have a new drug to prevent ovarian cancer. I said no commenting on this drug and the fact the new medication was originally being tested for something else entirely. He checked with my daughter to see if she agreed. She said she agreed with me.
Not only did they approve the new drug to prevent ovarian cancer but started giving it to boys for prevention of testicular cancer. Within just a couple of years, everyone who got the vaccine had a host of health problems. When we found out about that, my daughter thanked me for not letting her get the vaccine.
I have no problem with getting vaccinated with drugs that have years of data to prove them safe. I do have a problem with being offered unproven vaccines that have no studies on its effectiveness and/or side effects. When people give me static about it, I refer them to the results of thalidomide and it's side effects.
"...if she were my patient, she'd still be alive" is still one of the great L&O lines.
5:37 LMAO! "Don't mention it!"
This kind of stuff still goes on. I know someone who’s family member has cancer, but is getting all these “alternative” treatments like mega vitamins and light therapy, and is having to shell out a ton of money for it - and none of it is going to do anything
@Lizzie Allen that's what terminal means. You do the treatments not to get better but to extend your life
@Lizzie Allen Cancer it`s not the same on everyone (Two persons can have the same type of cancer but all the biological differences like gender, race, quality of life, age, etc. affect the develop of the illness as well as the different kind of treatments) the doctors know the steps to do but as everything in life you could have done every single thing right and not get the result that you expected.
My mother did the same, for years. Supplemental drinks. Herbal drinks. Til it got on stage 4 and things doesnt look good now
My nan poured thousands into thc and cbd treatments. Literally didn't do a thing. Weed heads that think pot is a miracle drug fucking infuriate me
Steve Jobs died from a Cancer that he likely could have survived. All he had to do was trust modern medicine. Instead snake oil and a grave.
The sad proof of the entire bases of the drama of this episode is in the moment that is not in any of the clips posted of this episode so far... when Jack asks Claire... *_"If Haus' first name were (inserted male name).. would we even be...???"_* That may not be an exact quote.. but that is the only real reason there was a shred of disagreement from Claire on putting that sociopath quack behind bars.
@Kat J , precisely. The doctor being female went a great deal into them being content.
Oh come on! There was an episode where a male doctor who was drunk on the job and many patients died because of his incompetence! He had an overgrown ego just like Haus. Both were doctors, both deserved to be taken out of medicine and having their license revoked!
@@bellerain381 ~ The point David was making is that Kincaid is only on Haas's side simply because she's a woman. If Haas had been a male, Claire would've been ready to hang him from the get go. That was evident up until she talked to another female doctor, who set CK straight about the good "Dr Haas". It makes me wonder just how "objective" Kincaid really was when it came to cases such as this...
there was another episode in which a woman had babies to kill them, and McCoy offered a plea under the condition that she had a tubal ligation. They had a very similar argument when he said that.
She did not agreed and he said that if it was a man and the issue was chemical castration they wouldn't be having the argument. She sued the SCOTUS decision that recognized procreation as a basic right (it was to an inmate in Oklahoma iirc) and he argued that the same court also decided that segregation was an idea worth protecting.
"Maybe her patients want to get fleeced."
"There's a better chance the women she treats live better lives than the ones that were mutilated by conventional members of the AMA."
"Neither was Louis Pasteur."
Good hell Claire, you're a good ADA, but here you sound like you didn't even graduate High School.
Yes but no. There are medications approved elsewhere like Canada that aren't covered by insurance or approved by FDA that help others.
@@Adoni3 What?
@@Adoni3 The FDA is a U.S. federal agency, they have some overseas laboratories and offices (none in Canada), but their jurisdiction only applies to the United States.
@@Adoni3 Like Thalidomide used to be?
I agree. That was some cringe script writing.
Jack McCoy's farewell is much as memorable as his arrival.
3:35-hearing McCoy's voice drop like that....that's a "oh shit" moment.
This episode is six months older than I am. I am both shocked and grateful that in my lifetime we've come so far from this utterly barbaric view of "women are better off dead than having mastectomies". I never realised how far we had come in so little time with the stigma around breast cancer.
@Lizzie Allen see while I will completely defend and back up anyone who has ended up making a medical decision based on the wrong information (been there, done that, it sucks) if a patient does have the right information isn't it their choice what to do with that info? If they want to remove their breasts because to them the certainty of not having breast tissue to infect is a better than the potentiality of possibly getting breast cancer then that's entirely their decision so long as it's an informed one.
@Lizzie Allen family history is relevant in up to 25% of breast cancer diagnosis and only 3% of testicular cancer diagnosis so there's not really a testicular cancer trend that we can spot in order to do that kind of preventative measure. Also I have no idea why you're getting so mad about prophylactic mastectomies when this video and my comment was about women who already have cancer.
That is what I call vanity
There are surgeries where a death is better than suffering through the cure
@@jai-kk5uu that can certainly be true, but it is absolutely not the case when discussing a fairly straightforward mastectomy for a breast cancer patient who went on to full remission like the example in this video.
I thought Law and Order sucks until I started watching these clips from the early 90's.
Agreed I remember watching law and order 2000s episodes and they don't stand a chance to the 90s episodes, although SVU seems to be good regardless of year
Why'd you think that?
2000s regular L&O episodes seemed slow to me, they aren't bad but the 90s ones are way better
The first Jack McCoy Episode. I still miss Ben Stone, but transitions are necessary.
Michael Moriarty has quite the b-movie acting list.
I liked Ben Stone, too. Jack McCoy was alright.
toomanyaccounts won several emmys and golden globes, he left Hollywood on his own accord
I suspect the reason why Michael Moriarty left in the end is that appears to be suffering from Parkinson's disease (I saw interview of him on the L&O S2 DVD and he appeared to have Parkinson's tremors), the last time I saw him on a show (An S1 episode of The 4400) he definitely looked like he had the disease.
@@nicholasmaude6906 I heard it was due to behind-the-scenes tensions; in part because Michael Moriarty was angry with Janet Reno, who felt TV was too violent.
I hate these naturopathic claims. My mother went on food supplements and drinks claiming it can cure cancer for years. She just went to the doctor when her breast was look so much worse
"Maybe her patients want to get fleeced!". Who the hell wants to get fleeced? Not me.
What does fleeced mean?
Fleeced means robbed
@@nikolaosrigos8121 oh! Thank you
Your welcome
More like they wanted hope, even if it was a false one. All I can say is, as a man, if my balls literally killing me, off they go. I got enough in my life killing slowly than to have my own body do it first.
Those women were either too desperate or were foolish enough to pay $750000 for treatments that doesn't even really worked
They were desperate enough to be foolish. Either way, selling snake oil instead of them actually getting treatment is a crime, or should be.
I love this episode because theyre both right. The quality of life those living patience live is credit to the mentality, theres something to be said for a better short life over a miserable long one. But Jack is also right, that list of names with no checkmarks speaks for itself
This show always made me wonder if they had a points system for most dramatic arrest.
I HAD A DOUBLE MASTECTOMY AND HAVE NO TROUBLE
Sending you continued good health and happiness, today always🥰
I wish you life long health as someone who has lost loved ones to cancer.
Thank you for your fight! I can't imagine how difficult everything you've gone thru is.
Jesus christ, my Mom had a late stage breast cancer and she agreed to mastectomy, because the only thing she wanted was to live.
Finally, I get to see the end.
I love it when these two burst in and haul the accused away.
A sad story what happened to her and what her family went threw
FYI, Louis Pastor was a French biologist, microbiologist and chemist who discovered vaccination and created many that are used today.
my mother and a neighour lady had cancer about the same time back in 2004
my mother did the mastectomy, our neighour lady decided to go with an "alternative"
my mother is still alive and healthy to this day, the other lady, passed away in 2005
Lennie should have said: She'll have to find a real doctor lol.
They're all dead? Jesus, that face.
There are so many conspiracy theorists and misinformation starters who should actively harming people who should be getting jailed.
Putting people in prison for misinformation? Sounds too big brotherish to me. We already have enough people thrown into prison for shitty reasons.
@@eldridgedavis Probably but I was only thinking about the ones that start stuff that causing deaths or lots sickness.
Jenny McCarthy, Dr. Phil, Dr. OZ -- these people should be purged from the limelight, not given TV Shows.....The amount of damage they have done is staggering.
@@eldridgedavis Better than people chugging poisoned kool-aid and injecting themselves with cyanide.
@@hotohori69 same goes for lyme doctors.
So if this were 2021, Kincaid would have bought a shitton of Ivermectin, and Jordan would have laughed at her.
I never understand why people act like doctors and nurses seeing them naked is "violating" as adults without any abuse trauma. They literally clean up blood and feces from your cavity for a exam do you really think seeing you naked is gonna render them to mock your looks or objectify you? They will be more upset that you didnt do your colonoscopy prep correctly.
Doctors and nurses are always so soft and gentle about bring up that they need to see some part of you naked. Meanwhile I’m like, “have at it bro, check it out and get me them drugs if yah know what I mean. … this could be a serious infection and I’d like the proper medication to insure that my body had all the help it needs to fight it off so I can live a long and comfortable life.”
I’m off topic but I love Claire’s scrunchie
90's for you
Justice done. How sweet it is.
Omg i love Claire’s hair!!!!
Does a person have a choice between living their last years in comfort and peace? Or does the person want to repeatedly be operated on and constantly suffer? 3 years of peace and comfort and potentially fun? or 10 years of pain and suffering? I think that is the personal choice of the client.
The doctor they arrested claimed she had a "cure" which in another clip said to literary a mixture of olive oil, vitamins, and other household ingredients and promised that this concoction will cure you of your cancer for $10,000 a pop. She prey on women who did not want to have a mastectomy (a sign of stigma in the 90's) for the sole purpose of getting money. If she said it could only ease their suffering and would actually treat there cancer then she didn't do anything wrong. I agree with the quality of life if you are diagnosis with stage four and there is nothing to save you then it is up to you to decide if you want to live as long as possible or as well as possible but you are entitled to the complete truth all the facts to make an informed decision.
Jack is cool but I'm super partial to Ben Stone..
Like Doctor Who and James Bond I think it's like who you started with. Jack McCoy, Clair Kincaid, Lenny Brisco, and Chris Noth were my starting team.
Ben Stone was the best - sir : ) ................also lesson of this episode is that some people are easy pickings for exploitation by the Nancy Haases of the world
When she described the surgery
I dont know if times have changed or something but I wouldn't even hesitate to cut them off. If i tested positive for the gene I'd cut them off. I love my breasts, they are one of the few parts of my body I like, but I'd rather remove them than die of cancer.
If I was a lawyer, I would frame it as the patients are refusing medical treatment and seeing a life coach
michael m was such a fool to leave L&O 🤦♀️
He left for health reasons. I would hardly call him a fool for that.
I don’t know where you got that from- his character died but Michael Moriarty wasn’t sick. He left for political/creative differences. MM & the Dick Wolf team tell different versions but it was about something Janet Reno said about violence on television and called out L&O. The short of it is he publically called out JR & L&O wanted him to apologise and he wanted them to back him up....
@@hollyf8889 I asked the man himself. He lived in the same building my parents retired to. There certainly were creative and political differences at the time of his leaving, but he also left for personal health reasons as he acknowledged at the time that his alcoholism had become a severe health problem for himself. He's apparently been sober some years now.
But the point stands, in either way, he can hardly be called a fool.
ShadeoftheRaven that’s fair - I have no personal relationship with him, I only know what was reported at the time. I do recall him talking about alcoholism around 15-20 years ago and he had been sober a year or two then. I think he moved to Canada claiming he did so for his political views but then some years later talked about running for president in the US but never did. Regardless I think he’s a great actor and wish we got to see him in more - purely for selfish reasons, because I enjoy his performances 😊
@@hollyf8889 Its hardly a personal relationship with him. He and I have met a handful of times in the elevator. He has a closer relationship with my stepfather and even then that's not saying much.
Either way, I concur. I missed seeing him in L&O. He is my favorite ADA.
My mother got brest cancer and had to get one remove and she fine
Mike Logan & Lennie Briscoe was the best detective team in Law & Order
I've heard of impersonating a COP, but not a DOCTOR!!
I had a complicated breast cancer thirteen years ago. My surgery was peaceful, painless and a morning in hospital. I had no problems with the chemo or the radiation - except the hair, which came back. I took myself to radiation by bus train and subway, unaccompanied, except the last day when I was taken out to lunch. Don't be fooled by drama.
preying on the sick is despicable stuff. i know someone who has lupus and she spends money on all kinds of quack cures because she just wants to feel better. she bought one of those stupid copper bracelets and i had to stop myself from yelling at her because giving these assholes money just encourages them to take advantage of more people. that's why the FDA's role is vital.
the doctor at the end admitted the woman would have died regardless, only years later. but what quality of life would she have ? 5 more years spent in a hospital bed getting chemo doesn't sound like all that great a trade-off
It does sound better to me. My grandparents sometimes go off about what the use of their life is anymore. The "I'd be better off dead" speech.
But then my gran wouldn't have seen her only granddaughter marry, or she'd have never met her great grandchild. And vice versa, all those precious moments we had since she beat cancer at 82, she's been in lots of pain, suffered so much, but she did it for us.
It's weird to say, but their life's worth now is in being there for us, the children and grandchildren. We want their stories and company. Their good advice and memories of how different life used to be.
My gran did change her speech to "The moment I lose my head you can give me the final jab" after her battle, she very much values her still very good brains, also because of some of her friends getting dementia.
And this I understand, it feels like they're already gone sometimes, or slowly fading out of the world.
So no matter how hard, extra time with the people we love is something I'd never throw away, it's definitely worth it.
this so called doctor who is not a medical doctor should not speak for these people. I know a women who was told she had breast cancer many years ago and her daughter was tiny and she cried because she would never see her grow up. yes she lost her breasts and when through treatment but she is still around and have seen her daughter graduate from school and now work on a farm doing what she loves to do. and she was given years of happiness with her husband and daughter. I would trade that for some fatty tissue. she had the opportunity to use who breast to feed her baby girl. that was a gift. motherhood where you can feel a baby growing inside you and talk to that little one or sing. and when they are born into this big bright world away from that warm cozy womb you can bond closer to the babe while you feed them. her breast gave her that joy and giving up her breast gave her time
Jolien, worth it for you it seems?
Unless you have major health problems you can’t understand why you’re tired and desperate for rest, permanently. Don’t discourage or argue with her, she’s allowed to vent.
She is fiction, but doctor death is real
@Josh Coulson Did an earlier clip state that she had a Ph.D? That would technically make her a doctor. Not the kind I would trust with my health care though, obviously.
Yeah and the fact that she lost her medical license should be a clue to the fact she should not be trusted at all with anybody’s health whatsoever.
@@matthewforsyth284 Huh, I haven't watched the full episode so I did not see/hear about her losing her medical licence. That would be suspicious to me lol I figured she just never went to medical school and therefor never became an actual medical doctor.
Women worrying about the results of post-surgery on their bodies is such a legitimate concern and it shouldn't be as brushed off as it seems to be in this episode. I've known 2 women who were positive for breast cancer. One had a breast reduction and her surgical scars were so well done they basically faded away to nothing and you couldn't even tell she'd had surgery. The other was mutilated by her surgeon so bad it looked like he'd gone at her with a hacksaw, and she was never able to wear low cut tops and dresses ever again.
this episode has always confused me because most of these women taking treatment from the sham of a doctor are wealthy, so why not just get plastic surgery after getting a mastectomy?
Vanity. They don't want to have a breast cut off in the first place. That is all it comes down to in the end. For the second woman they talked to... Well, her husband is just a jerk.
@@KnightMysterio I was actually thinking that after seeing how his wife wanted to drink cancer-curing snake oil instead of getting life-saving surgery just…completely killed their relationship.
@@KnightMysterio Or knows his wife is mad for going through it thanks to him.
Mutilated? Saving your life does not seem all that brutal.
I may be naive, but I’d take the chance of having surgery and having a healthier lifestyle with my family than injecting oils as “an alternative”.
And that is perfectly fine. But every one has the right to chose to have the surgery or not. Which in the real world happens (contrary to what this episode shows). I would do the same, but would it be as easy for you to have a hysterectomy if you were 18 or 20? I doubt it. People have different thoughts and beliefs. As long as they are not lied to and know the risks of their choices, it is their life.
@@potocatepetl I agree with you 100%.
historic episode
I'm missing Ben Stone already.
This is a complicated topic
Making money off of the hopes of people that could either survive, or at least have a few more years. Despicable.
I agree
Its disgusting
I ❣️ Jack
Look up Dr. Christine Daniel. This is based on a true story.
"'" you're like a centerfold. You got staples"'". Is that in this one
Did she get convicted?
If it had already mestastisized to the lady's liver, she had weeks maybe.. My galpal was in stage IV for 11 years. Wacked on by uncaring doctors, our state wanting to deny her the pain medications she needed to have a decent life, with chemo and radiation that was monitored by a female doctor who altered treatment that under research was made for men, men's body and weight. Most pharmaceuticals and treatments are made for men. The doctor saying she'd be still alive.. how alive? My galpal was sleeping most of her last months, with doctors wanting her on Fentanyl and other strong pain killers. They wanted her to decrease the one medication that took her pain away, because of "side-effects" they may have on her kidneys.. like it mattered at t hat point.
Doctor Haas!? I thought she was the wife of that orchestra conductor!? L&O is weird and confusing!! Rest In Peace My Dear Jan Maxwell!! Fun fact...Jan Maxwell died from breast cancer!!
0:00 uh...is this a real address? Swear I've never seen a place on a 1/2 avenue..
There is, in fact, a 6 1/2 Avenue in NYC, less than a mile from 281 Madison. It's a pedestrian walkway, a privately owned public space, according to Wikipedia. But the half in the address is the house number, not the street name. And those exist, too.
But the specific address in the clip? I expect they avoid using real addresses in shows and films, to avoid causing potential harassment to the residents. I doubt the outside shots are even the same neighborhood in the city that the show claims them to be, though I'm sure city dwellers can identify them. I know I've done so a couple of times, and then rolled my eyes at the idea of the same cops investigating crimes in different boroughs, or a victim being brought to a hospital on the other side of town, for plot convenience.
Honestly Kindcaid after doing the interviews was just absurdly stupid. I know that main cast arguements and drama are staple of the show but they needed to ask themselves if she would really be defending Haas that this point. She's confirmed from her interviews that Haas told at least some of her patients that her massively overpriced product would cure their cancer when the large amount of dead names proved that it obviously wasn't a cure. And she knew that neither Haas nor her treatment had any medical certifications. Feminism be damned Kincaid 100% would not be arguing with McAvoy at that point, she'd be 100% on team murder charge. I get that losing your breasts may be a uniquely female terror but Kincaid would never seriously argue that the women dying sooner with false hope might have been better off than actually getting real medical treatment.
“Some man” did this, “some man” did that. JFC, if they hate men so much then move.
For me personally, I could care less about the scars from surgery and the crazy dealings with chemotherapy. I would rather deal with all that over anyone like Nacy Haas has to offer by far.
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2:39 Bulls hat on the bookshelf lol. Yeah, this was 1995, during the 6 championship run. But McCoy is a lifetime New Yorker. C'mon.
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This was Jack McCoy's first episode on the show
Ngl as a woman/young lady of course I would try to defend this quote on quote scientist but she does have a record .. it’s not about trying to tear a woman down it’s mainly about what she did was wrong and manipulative and she did it for money
Those women talking about this program or whatever sound like irl add reads. Like in The Truman Show where people would start talking about products as if they were in a commercial.
I also loved Gerry goth not sure of the spelling
As someone who lost someone to cancer, I will eat this woman for breakfast.
well the dr can be charged a medical maltreatment
"They're all dead"
was she convicted?
Its an argument of quality of life vs quantity of life.
No, it's really about body image, versus the person's life. Which is more important to that patient..?
1:38 watch out. Karen’s talking about how traumatic her life saving surgery was instead of the insane medical bill
She can fill Shea stadium
But the Mets can’t or city field
I don't think men would want to go without their you know what's!
A Doctor? HA! More like Ms. Hyde
She was a doctor. She had a phd in another field. The truth is, the only language allowing medical doctors to be called doctors as a default (at least to my knowledege - I do not speak all of them) is English. Other languages pnly allow people with a phd to be called doctors.
I wouldn't even trust her
@@dustinsova4937 Obviusly you do not trust someone if they say they can cure cancer with tea. That doesn't change her title though.
I know but I'm just saying that looks can be deceiving. Like you see a nice guy wearing a sweater vest he could be a psychopath
@@dustinsova4937 Psychopats notoriusly look "nice". They are a very dangerous species.
These women need some serious self-esteem help. Flat is justice.
i mean i dont like this doctor, but i feel like it was a stretch charging her for murder. Still arrest her for fraud but that is just my opinion
I mean its 2021......still 0 cures for cancer....
there are plenty of cures. there is many different types of cancer
@@toomanyaccounts lol no there are no cures.....putting it into remission isn't curing it....
@@Shifty51991 nope not remission. complete cure. my mother had a very rare cancer but rad and chemo wiped it out.
Man, Kincaid's bias is really showing its ugly head here.
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I guess I never watched thismuch when it was first on TV, but watching these clips... the actors and/or the writers are all such caricatures...barely believable "types" straight out of old movies.
Have you ever watched full episodes.
On the surface they are pretty stereotypical, but they are there to service the story, not deliver award winning performances, although they do in my mind. The treat is that the more episodes you see, the more you get on their background and that, IMO gets you to love the characters.
Seems like this is an episode where the man is trying to take down a helper standing up to the pharmaceutical companies and the government but the "hero" of the people was really a person just in it for the money.
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This sort of thing just highlights the sickening reality of health care in the U.S. today; overblown, overpriced crap that performs more surgery on your wallet than it does on the patient. And don’t get me started about quality-of-life issues; how can one have a good quality of life hooked to a machine pumping poison into your veins in (often vain) hopes of killing a few, rogue cancer cells. As for the “doctor” portrayed in this scene, there’s no way in Hades she (or any other doctor) could guarantee the patient would still be alive with surgery/chemotherapy/radiation! That’s simply not knowable. In fact, the patient could already be at Death’s door; the shock of surgery or chemo could very well kill the patient right then and there. Capitalism is good for optimizing the production of goods (at least when you prevent monopolies from forming) but big $$$ does not belong in medicine or politics. Only corruption and graft will result (oh, and high prices, too).
So are you defending Haas, then? That snake oil saleswoman?
For people watching this in a bubble, what the gardening lady describes is not what happens when you have surgery, no one lies naked on a slab with a camera watching from another room. Also please don't call it mutilation, it should be a careful and skillfully performed operation.
Actually, you are naked on a surgery table, partially covered by by medical tissue (not sure this is the correct term as English is not my mother tongue). You need to be naked even for easy surgeries in case something happens or you have an alergic reaction (they notice it faster). And if you are operated in a university hospital, the chance is, people are watching from another room. They have to learn somehow. Particularly rare surgeries are watched and recorded. Mutilation is of course a hard word and as an outsider I would never use it, but if a patient feels like that. I would never dare to contradict her feelings. I might recommend her emotional and psychological help.
@@potocatepetlno. None of my patients are naked except the area needed to be exposed.
@@rkh7360 let me guess, you are not a surgeon!