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- Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone is an MMA Superstar and apparently addicted to diving like us!
He shared a story on the Joe Rogan Experience where he describes a cave dive he did in Mexico where he almost died.
We've received a couple of requests to react to this story, so here is our reaction.
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I don’t think the guy asked him “were never going to dive together again?” I’m pretty sure the guy told him, “we’re never going to go diving together again!”
Yeah I’d think so.
No,no, no.
I think the buddy was mortified by his mistake of following the line and get out on his own instead of letting mr macho be the hero.
Yes...
It’s easy to make that assumption isn’t it?
@@lilletrille1892 ty
I've noticed that the more experienced someone is in battling Mother Nature, the more humble they tend to be.
Craig, it will humble one quickly. Good observation.
Very true , however we’re talking about a guy that fights for a living. That’s something that your nor I could ever understand.
@@jeffreykopfle2304 I fought MMA from 2000 to 2013, and still compete in Brazilian JiuJitsu tournaments. Im no "superstar", but im a pretty experienced as a fighter. While I no longer compete in MMA/cagefighting, training and being a fighter is still a fairly big part of my life.
All that being said, I still have an enormous amount of respect for nature, and am humble in the face of the forces of nature. I don't think that pointing out that Cerrone is a fighter is a very fair assessment of why he was caught in the situation he says he was in. There are ALOT of people who aren't fighters who get themselves into all kinds of very dangerous situations by underestimating nature, and not taking seriously just how bad things can get when things do go bad.
@@mattjack3983 that’s fair
@@burnsloads And they become humbled fairly quickly when the shit hits the fan.
There’s the unwritten cave diving rule that if your buddy is in danger you stab him in the heart, much better than drowning. Get him out of his misery, someone has to come home.
Finally someone who has the right answer lol
That’s what good friends do. 😂
I bet he would tell you how he almost burned to death when he filled up his car with gas. The fumes were so strong, ignition sources everywhere, he thought about writing a letter to his family, then the pump handle clicked and he knew he was going to make it home alive.
Glad you can make a joke about a guy almost dieing stay classy
LOL there was flames EVERYWHERE! Almost...
@@mattgeer5609 I'm sure you're a real hoot at parties..
Stay pissy 👍
@@gstylez0107 if by hoot at party's you mean do I laugh and poke fun of people who've went through a traumatizing event , while I set on my high horse 🐴 /borderline snob then no. U wouldn't enjoy my (party's)
@@mattgeer5609 🤓
I'm dying laughing at the thought of his buddy on his way out, calmly holding on to the line, looking up to see the cowboy inflate his bcd, rocket to the top of the cave and spiderman his way out 🤣
Yeah I bet the buddy was not happy! Uggg
@@DIVETALK you mean the clown that panicked spun himself up on the line and stilted the whole cave? Not saying cerrone did things correctly but let not pretend his buddy wasn't the first to start fucking up.
@@onearmedwolf6512. You mean according to the one side of the story you heard from a guy with a vested interest in making himself look good? I mean, has anyone talked to the other guy? What does he have to say? Why do so many people assume this, conspicuously self-aggrandizing anecdote, is fact?
There's another person here, claiming to be an acquaintance of his, stating he's a genuine person. But his comportment here conveys the opposite; that he's given to hubris and hyperbole. It's not just what he said, but the manner in which he said it. "Guys like me" place the lines (i.e., do the most dangerous work). At times it kind of felt like I was listening to Maverick from Top Gun or something.
@@onearmedwolf6512 imagine thinking Cerrone is still credible after listening to this. Any and I mean any cave diver no matter how experienced or new who listens to this has their bullshit detectors go off right away. After seeing these two gentlemen break down the situation yours should be too
Seriously, how dramatic 🤣
I worked with a guy like this once. I heard millions of near death experiences where it was someone else's fault and he barely survived. lol
Yep
He reminds me of this guy I knew in school who always had stories about how amazing he was. He told us his family came to America on the mayflower, he also had German Royal blood and a group of researchers discovered that he was immune to HIV and wanted to conduct research on him to find the cure.
@@Kate-ct9ys lol, I guess everyone has met a person like that at least once
@@Kate-ct9ys bet his family was part of the illuminati and met with the jellyfish aliens deep underwater that watch humanity from a distance in the hopes we change our evil ways.
I bet he was the one that panicked first & silted the cave out & his buddy followed his “unwritten rule” & left his ass 😂
Why do I feel like the old timer was telling cowboy " WE ARE not diving together again ! " instead of " we're not diving together again are we sir ? " lol
I’ve been a diver for 20 years but never caving…I heard Cowboy’s story before I discovered Dive Talk and I was like “Holy crap” with cowboy’s story. Now after watching a lot of Dive talk I realize he was extremely careless and his so called “old dive partner” that he was pretty much trashing was in the right and it was Cowboy that was the danger.
Not sure how these guys are cave divers look fat & out of shape..can't imagine them swimming for more than 15 minutes
His “buddy” took the damn line with him out of the cave and left Cowboy to basically get lost and die…..
Bro shitted on his dive partners motor skills when cowboy was the one who tried to abandon his stuck partner and panicked even worse than the guy tangled in the guideline, guy tangled in the line made it easy while cowboy shat his pants trying to abandon him and plays hero lmao
No lol 👎🏼
@@xXxFroztyyhis partner is the one that freaked out and got tangled up and caused this sh!t in the first place lol did you not pay attention? Donald only messed up by not sticking to his rule of worry about yourself which I agree with. Almost got himself killed trying to help old man river. Yawl are just joining these two toxic beings in this video so I'm not surprised the viewers are just as toxic.
*I know absolutely nothing about cave diving and I actually laughed out loud when it turned out his buddy got out by just following the line 😂*
One of the funniest plot twists to a story I've ever heard
Love Dive Talk's vids but I think they and most of the comments are missing a major point of the story. There's a guide line that leads to the entrance of the cave. Then there is the main line inside the cave. They were connecting a jump line between the two when his buddy freaked out.
Foolishly Donald swam unconnected into the silted out area to help his friend and got disoriented. When Donald got out of the silt he was inside the cave system on the other side of a silt out. All the times he is talking about a line afterward is the main line inside the cave. And their safety line is not connected to it - his friend got tangled in it before connecting. He has no reasonable way out as far as I know.
The main line of the cave does not lead out of the cave system. The only way out is silted and there is no line connecting through there. His buddy who was tangled in the safety line calmed down, untangled, and followed the safety line out of the silt to safety.
This doesn't excuse the stupidity in this story. His friend was always tied off and was eventually able to save himself. Sounds like only his buddy was connected to the safety line and Donald had nothing (not a cave diver but this doesn't sound right to me). There was no reason to swim in to "save" his friend. He put himself and his friend in danger by being reckless. He should have tied off and then tried to help. Likewise, his friend could have tried to save Donald. He knew his friend was without a safety line inside the cave/silted area and left him there. Would like to hear Dive Talk's actual take on what to do in this situation because I think they missed the point.
What do you do when you have no line to follow out of a cave? Should both have been connected to safety/jump line when making they were heading into the cave? Should have they had their own separate lines? Even if you are connected should you swim into silt to help untangle your buddy? Should his friend try to save him?
@@ArmyOfDarkness1989 The sheer size of this post I simply cannot read it
@@thetaro1077 Haha if you ask me the situation went out more like this: before they entered the water, he told the guy "look man, i'm a super diver, i follow the rules, and a very important one is that you can only save yourself, so if you get in trouble DON'T EVEN THINK about me coming to rescue your ass, and don't even preach to me about lost buddy search crap!". So what did the guy do? He followed his advise EXACTLY to the letter, and got out without even thinking for a second about the lost buddy search, and that's probably the reason why he knew he couldn't be mad at the guy.
Bro can’t read a few paragraphs in under 30 seconds 👁👄👁
The so called "horrible diver" followed the rules and magically made it out first. Geeezzz this guy is ridiculous.
This dude literally built up a story about how brave he is, and how he's a hero, and then it turns out his buddy followed the rules and got out safe, and this jack*** almost got himself killed for no good reason and wants a medal. Bravo. 😂
And most importantly, in the end he was kind enough to "not being mad at him" after he met his buddy on the surface.
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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I don’t think he tried to make himself a hero. He called himself stupid and a piece of shit a few times. Also did not in fact ask for a medal. He was just happy he made it out alive.
@@intrepidsouls of course he isn’t mad near death experiences leaves most people calm and quiet immediately afterwards. Plus he can’t blame his friend for his own actions
I am so curious about the others guy's perspective of the story 😆 Donny boy probably got spooked by his own shadow and silted out the place. The other guy was probably so annoyed that Rambo over here was acting all tough and then screwed everything up. The guy was probably the one who told him that he will never cave dive with him again but Donny spun the story around lmao
Having listened to stories Thad Edd Sorensen told here on the channel or elsewhere I kinda recognized a big difference in storytelling.
Edd never glorified himself, Edd never talked somebody down, Edd wasn't constantly talking about emotions.
Edd has a very clinical way of telling a story, almost like an official report. He knows when to use terminology and when to describe something. He acknowledges that he has experience but he still admits that he has to analyze situations. He admits that situations escalate in ways he didn't expect. He knows how to tell his stories without bragging and without putting his actions into the spotlight.
It's this undertone that let's you know that he doesn't tell stories to make himself look like a hero but for the sake of telling a story and sharing experiences.
Yeah. I get the impression from this story telling that he has quite a bad memory of the events. Everything he remembers is his emotions at the time and that he was panicking. Makes for a very terribly disorienting story that you cant really follow.
You got that right! ❤
I don’t even have words for this cowboy guy! But arrogance, and he dam near didn’t come back home!
His buddy simply implemented that whole “every man for himself” rule probably somewhere around the second or third time the cowboy freaked out, randomly started inflating his bcd and rocketed himself off the line up to the ceiling to try to claw his way out through a random crack he found.
Im confused. His buddy went up first.
@@mattk8810
His buddy got caught up in the guide line, was panicking (as the story goes), and silted out the cave. DC let go of the line to help his buddy but ended up lost and then panicked. DC found the line again… but for some reason filled up his BCD and ended up on the ceiling following some crack out… I don’t understand why he let go of the line a second time. Doesn’t make sense. By God’s good grace he found his way out in time.
This is exactly what i was thinking. Every man for himself was told to cowboy bc im guessing cowboy ego is always putting people in danger bc he does not follow the plan or he is always paniking
Underrated comment here. Dying of laughter 🤣
Bahahahahah! I totally visualized this in my head while reading your comment. Hilarious!
"We wouldn't be reacting to this video if there was common sense involved." Hahaha
It' seems to be a recurring theme with these videos :D
So when people do things you don't agree with it's dumb huh...
@@mc1069 what am I reaching at? I guess everything to cave diving is common sense?
@@johnny10grasp3 I think they meant common sense in regards to cave divers, especially someone who is a 'super cave diver' or at least should be pretty experienced. Yeah the average person might not have that common sense, but the average person with no cave diving experience should NEVER do something like this without proper training first lol
@@johnny10grasp3 Is your name johnny10grasp because you are always trying to grasp at straws? LMAO. Or maybe you are cowboy himself....
I love Woody when he's untethered and unbound during these videos 😂
He's wild!
I remember watching this on the podcast years ago and I had no idea about cave diving. This story seemed crazy and really believable. Thought he was a hero. Now listening to it after watching this video and your other videos, I cannot believe I fell for it
What do you mean?
he sounded like a hero?
"fell for it" - wtf do you mean?
Cowboy literally details all of the things to do, should have done, and didn't - to help someone else.
It amazes me that the podcast peeps here had to bring a negative tone to the entire thing, pretty abysmal imho.
@@kaibe5241 who are you? Cowboy burner account?
I had exactly the same experience!
Diving with this guy sounds like a death wish. He loses sight of me once and just dips out of the cave like “WELP, must’ve lost him!” 🤦🏻♂️
Great video as always guys!
Thank you Zack. Glad you can also see the non-sense.
You guys are mad haters. Haha
First thing I though as well. Don't want this guy near me. If someone can't be humble about what we are doing as a diver and recognise our limits then you can just pull down the curtain.
@@johnny10grasp3 no we're not. I work with scuba diving and a guy like this guy is a danger to everyone.
@@Musiknird I appreciate you educating people and I'm sure you know a million times more than he does but when you call him out on something then continued to explain the same exact thing he did it seems very hateful. For example, we don't use cookies then later say where's his cookies. I can give more and better examples of you'd like.
$10 says he's the one that panicked, his partner stayed until he calmed down, they exited together, and his partner said "we're never diving together again."
Yeah agree.
I picked up on that too. Sounds like his buddy got tangled for a short moment, but otherwise was fine. DC then went and panicked, got lost, etc. If I had to pick a dive-buddy from the two, it would be that old guy.
@@fkrioters1000 sound like his buddy panicked and happened to find the line.
They both panicked
@@DIVETALK $20 they both panicked like complete morons
I love how you guys ALWAYS mention the 5 rules of cave diving. I just know so many lives are saved just watching you guys. You’re appreciated.
So many lives lol You sure?
Yes. Knowing the rules will save lives
@@electrictroy2010 That's why you take a class to get the proper training before ever going near a cave. That training will include those rules. The videos where they react to people going into a cave on a single tank recreational setup and remind people to get trained before ever attempting that is maybe where they discourage someone and potentially save a life.
I caught the super cave diver too, but In context, When he said “super” cave diver , I think he meant as in he does it a lot , not that he’s actually super at cave diving.
That’s what how I perceived it. I took it as he loves diving more than anything.
The crazy thing is, this story on the JRE is what made me search for more dive videos and discover your channel! So thankful for finding Dive Talk & all the real insight on this story and so many other. Much love guys!
Me too
Rewatching this video and yea same for me! This started it all haha
Me too!
Hahaha I can't believe so many people including me found this channel from this JRE video
Exactly how I got here as well
I really want to hear his diving buddy & instructors take on this !
Yeah for real
I think you’ll hear a totally different story…
That was on mars
Was thinking the same
It would go something like "we went diving with this cowboy who thought he new it all, paniced, lost the line, kicked up silt, inflated his BCD and some how survived" almost got us all killed."
The guy's "every man for himself" rule sounds like he is talking about being in the Death Zone on Mt Everest after 2pm, with an empty O2 tank. From my observation, divers tend to help each other.
I’m not a cave diver, but I’ve spent some time on the water. This tells a lot like a “fishing story.” You knew it was a fishing story as soon as we was kissing his family goodbye.
haha
Sounds like he wanted to tell his scary story of almost dying during cave diving but didn’t want to make himself look like the one who messed up so tried blaming his dive buddy and ending up with a story that didn’t make sense.
Yep agree.
Well it sounds like he didn't mess up... to anyone who knows absolutely nothing about cave diving.
I agree..makes the most sense. It explains why parts of the story sound okay, and the rest of it he is clearly making up
But in his slightly alcohol inebriated mind he did end up admitting he messed up and probably should've followed the rules, like the other guy who started the whole ordeal and after disentangling himself followed the line to the exit abandoning Cerrone after he got in trouble trying to help him. Plus apparently took the last jump line which was probably why Cerrone left the other line and needed to crawl trough the crack in the cave ceiling to find the exit.
"No Shit. There I Was. I Thought I Was Gonna Die"
i think he has a open water cert and is a adrenaline junky and went cave diving a couple of times without any idea what he was actually doing, like so many did before him. this time he went and panicked because he lacks basic training, then added random stuff to the story from pieces he heard from other incidents and movies.
remember cerrone always tries to give the impression of him being an extreme sports guy. he also talked about skydiving but most likely only did some tandems without having a cert either.
He literally has videos of him jumping by himself and talking about getting carted while with his coaches.
There is so much wrong with this story. I don't think he had any official cave training, he broke all the rules and is constantly mislabeling dive terms. He was diving in Aerolito cave in Cozumel which I have dove many times. First of all there is no crack in the ceiling that leads to air so that part is not true and discredits everything else.
His constant losing the line is absolutely ridiculous, and there is no way you would purposely inflate your BCD and stick yourself to the top of the cave even further away from the main line. He had plenty of air at that point in his two side mount tanks and even had a third stage tank that was totally full.
This cave is rarely dove and has a lot of fine silt so it would be easy to silt the cave out but even in zero visibility you just follow the line and your cookies and arrows and you can get out, its not the end of the world. There is a lot of ego in this story and it was majorly embellished to make himself seem cool
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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Thank you for the extra info. I'm a caver and geology nut and I'd never let someone like Donald come with me on a route.
Having an extroverted narcissist will get everyone killed. This ain't Hollywood out here.
He sounds like the guy who would tell you about his harrowing experience where he nearly died, when he went to Costco and got lost on isle 3...
AISLE 3 😑
@@electrictroy2010 He didnt let go of the main line, he is an amateur diver not a professional. What happened if you follow what he is actually saying and not listening to the commentary, they were on their way from the MAIN LINE to the other line that was going deeper into the cave, his buddy had a line running from the main line to the other line going to the deep cave, he got tangled in his line, Cerrone went in to untangle him but his buddy freaked out, and silted out the room between the MAIN line and the Off line going into the deep cave. Cerrone took 5 steps back NOT towards the MAIN line but towards the off line going into the deep cave. His buddy got untangled and just followed his line back to MAIN line and from there went back to the Exit. Now, Cerrone as an amateur diver went into the silt, freaked out because he couldnt see anything and went back to the OFF line going deep into the cave, thats why when he said ''In front of me it was silted out(In front of him where the MAIN LINE is, the way between him and the main line is silted out) and behind me its clear I can see everything'' so to go deep its nice and clear, and to go to the main line its silted out. He is an amateur diver, jesus christ, of course he was fucking scared. He made shit loads of mistakes but the egos in this comment section are unreal.
You guys are gold.! I seriously CAN NOT get enough of your reactions idc what it's for, I'll watch you react to a water puddle just bc you guys mesh so well together and your expertise seems to mingle so well it's just awesome to watch..and best yet is you guys explain diving in educational terms so not only can u watch awesome guys but you get to learn in the process. Main thing I took from this video is EXTREMELY simple but EXTREMELY important....Never dive with someone's ego it might just be the last dive you ever do.! Idc what the activity is, If someone has the mind set if something happens your on your own..I'm not doin a nature hike let alone diving with this guy in an underwater cave.....I couldn't imagine being stuck in a cave wrapped in dive line or stuck in a restriction just to see your only "dive buddy" swimming away bc he doesn't have the courage to save someone other than themselves..There has to be trust and this dude has blown that to pieces n then some...
You hit the nail on the head. When I first watched him tell his story, I was in awe. After coming across this channel and watching alot of your videos, hearing him tell the story again was so cringey. You could tell the parts that might have been true, and the parts that he was making up as he went. I think he was the partner that lost his mind and panicked in the beginning.
We had to call him out. Just had to.,
Now the story makes more sense.. 🤔
Definitely cringe and lil immature. Not to say that I'm not immature sometimes. Lol
@@DIVETALK you guys can’t act all “humble” though, aye, you two sour boys sound so fucking jealous it’s unbelievable.
That’s what I was thinking. I think he was definitely the one who freaked out and he’s trying to switch the story around.
I have zero diving experience but I watched this interview and when he said that the unwritten rule is to only care about yourself I was very skeptical. It seemed to me that these high risk activities are done in group so that people can help each other out in case something goes wrong.
Thanks for breaking it down for us.
Within reason, people will try to help you if you get in trouble. It's not dog eat dog, everyone for himself.
Cowboy was obviously embellishing because he was on a big platform and he wanted to make it juicy 😂 Give the man his 15 minutes and stop busting his balls xD
@@Peter-zg3em Are you saying that man destroyed his body in front of strangers because he's secure? I believe a man that can take or leave the attention and high regard of the world because he is secure, that man doesn't destroy his body in a spectacle trying to prove himself.
@@Verbux We can tell he's melodramatic and not very intelligent.
@@Crmson117 Right so every man that does any kind of competitive sport is insecure...makes total sense...I dont like cerrone,i dont watch any sports but because i think its boring. But every athlete that does a competitive sport,doesnt matter if its mma,wrestling,football,american football,rugby and so on,is destroyinghis body for the sport because they love it and get paid a ton,not because every one of them is insecure.
@@Peter-zg3em Are you a cave diver? You literally hear actual cave divers say that's not what you do. That you do try to help if you can, even if the other is in panic mode and helping just means reassuring them and calming them down.
Would love to hear the story from his dive buddy.
Something like this. I was tying a line and got caught up in it momentarily. I panicked a bit, calmed down, cut myself from the line and followed it back to the surface. Cowboy was nowhere to be found but I know that cave is so small you can’t get lost. 20 mins later he showed up crying and freaked out. So I told him “I guess we’re not going to go diving together again”
Donald got beat up too many times, he is probably talking about sky diving...
😂😂😂😂😂brah legit made me laugh out loud
"I can't find the line anywhere!"
As soon as he gets to the part in his story when he dramatically kisses his tearful partner who begs him not to go on such a ~dangerous mission~ and he says “don’t worry baby, I’m comin’ home.” As if he’s doing some heroic thing or going selflessly into a warzone, I knew that whatever followed was gonna be… embellished. Your guys’ reactions were priceless, I’m glad you reacted to/explained this. Tho even if I knew nothing about diving I feel like his level of bravado would be a red flag in itself. But when Woody translated it about how the instructor apparently lost his mind, so perfect hahaha.
I know that was so barf worthy. Some people are just so intense and serious that people humor their bullshit to avoid the discomfort of calling it into question.
@@1234kingconan well said!! I tend toward seriousness, and I now have a new resolution; that I never become so self-serious that people are too uncomfortable to call me on my bullshit lol
Maybe she was tearfully begging bc she knew the kind of overconfident nonsense he might pull?
Right? Like dude, it's not a special ops mission saving the world or something, chill.
Alright so I bet you he's been open diving several times but then he got super interested in cave diving one day and went out and bought all the stuff, went cave diving like three times, and on the third time he panicked, silted his friend out, left him behind and was the one who was told "I'm not going cave diving with you ever again", not the one who said it lmao.
12:35 “A bunch of guys like me, tech divers, have gone into caves. They’ve mapped them and named them” 😂
I’m surprised they missed this, he called himself a tech diver and claimed to have mapped and named caves. There’s definitely ego involved.
I freaking love you guys' passion! It's awesome that you've found something you enjoy so much. Makes me happy to see others so happy, doing what they love!
I remember watching this before getting cave certified and it seemed very tense. I'm glad I watched you guys and revisited it, and your absolutely right, lots of gaps in the story. Great Vid!
Thanks for watching!
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“If anyone can survive this… Even though my instructor has lost his mind… It’s me baby”. Hilarious!! Great video guys!
Glad you've both sorted that out! Love learning from you guys & always enjoy your videos. 😀 Thank you. ❤️
huge respect to you guys! Thanks for the reactions, I have learnt a lot from all your video!
As a non-diver who's fascinated by cave diving, I'm glad you guys made this. I watched this story when it came out and it always seemed suspect to me, but I had no frame of reference.
We're glad we could tell you exactly how it went down. Shit... We know how many times cowboy took a shit before he went on this dive. Lmfao!
@@johnny10grasp3 cowboy, is that you?
@@ChrisSlowens Lmfao... Well played brother. Have a good Memorial Day weekend. Be safe.
@@johnny10grasp3 thanks man. Actually getting married this weekend!
And if that’s really you, I’m still a fan 😂
Have a safe Memorial Day.
Let's not forget that Rogan interviewed Dan Bilzerian and spoke to him like he was a superstar... and anyone with an IQ over 70 can see Dan Bilzerian is a total fraud because he's the son of a man WHO COMMITED ACTUAL fraud. Now Bilzerian has been exposed for renting his mansion which he claimed to have bought for $60 million AND he hires models to hang out with him and take photos on yachts and parties.
Rogan interviews alot of these ridiculous people.
Hes just trying to save face making it seem like the other dude completely put him in that bad situation. Hes the one that messed up by abandoning all the rules. The other dude had a hard moment, but followed the rules.
Valid point. Thanks.
He flipped his buddy’s last statement: “Homeboy, we’re NEVER diving together again. You (Cowboy) are too reckless.”
@@shenanitims4006 You must have been his buddy then.
I think it's pretty clear that this man's dive stories don't pass the smell test, so in the strict definition of the word he would be *ahem* "lying." BUT! He kinda reminds me of neuro patients that I encounter as a nurse. People with certain brain disorders - traumatic brain injuries, dementia, CTE - sometimes do this thing called "confabulation." Basically, they lie without intent to deceive. The human brain has a magnificent ability to fill in gaps to create a coherent picture, so if you've got this base memory that's fragmented because your brain can't reliably store & recall information (physical injury, lack of blood flow to certain structures, impairment due to substances), when you tell remembered stories the brain just sorta.... fills in the blank parts. To the outside listener, the stories of the confabulator sound fantastical and it's pretty obvious that things couldn't have gone down the way they say. But to the person telling the story, the act of recall means it's now the actual memory, & they don't have the insight to recognize it as false. It becomes true for them as they tell it. --- Not sure if this is what's going on with the guy, but I do wonder given his line of work. 🤔 It's the nicest interpretation I can think of, because otherwise he might just be a bulls**t artist 😬
This guy’s story is the exact reason I’m so glad that I found your channel. My first hooks into the cave diving rabbit hole were channels that told “incident” stories like these. While I think the ones I watched were all well-meaning and stuck to the “facts,” they were usually getting those facts from accounts like these or from basic public record, all interpreted and conveyed by a layperson with no actual technical diving or cave diving experience. The result was taking the original accounts (like this one) at their word with no additional perspective to frame it in context.
If I thought the subject was interesting then, I had no idea what I was in for after finding actual experts. Sure, the “crazy dramatic” stories take on a much different light when you realize most of the life-or-death scenarios were completely preventable and unnecessary, but the loss of that “mystique” comes with a much greater appreciation for the techniques and science. The awe no longer comes from uninformed drama but from true respect for the intricacy of the sport and what people at the top of their game are able to accomplish. No Dateline thrill seeking theatrics necessary.
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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Cave diving is a sport lmao
Donald Cerrone is so full of himself I'm surprised he didn't immediately sink to the bottom of that underwater cave.
Imagine being a different team going in and you see this guy crawling on the ceiling. I would be terrified. I would want to help him and I would definitely try, but a stranger so far out of his mind feels super dangerous to me.
I'll take "things that never happened for $500, Alex."
I cannot w Woody! He is hysterical. You guys are a great team and the real deal‼️🫡 The commentary is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I love the banter so happy you guys teamed up for this show it's PERFECT! Thank you!🙏😂😂😂
People in the comments arguing about whether he meant he's a super cave diver or super into cave diving are missing the point. It doesn't matter. Cowboy's actions, if true, show he's not someone you want to be in a cave with. I think he's exaggerating a lot and what actually happened was a lot simpler and far less scary.
Exactly. And his actions (based on his own story) are definitely not actions you see “super cave divers” or even divers are are “super into cave diving” execute. They made absolutely no sense to cave divers.
Which is funny because Donald was asserting it was his buddy who was dangerously inept and untrustworthy when he was unknowingly revealing his own untrustworthy nature.
U guys are even more over dramatic than u say he is. Demonstrated pure hater mentality talking shit how teenagers do. Never knew cave divers were such pretentious douchey nutjobs
I think Cowboy is really remembering his real emotions. I buy it, I think that was Cowboy's real internal dialogue with himself. I think he genuinely believed he was going to die, and it traumatized him. But the story doesn't quite fit. There has to be gaps... the part about his partner just taking the line out, it's so embarrassing, it has to be true...
It sounds like Cowboy and his partner made a poor team together. Not very trusting. Instead of staying cool for his partner and following safety procedure, he makes an impulse decision that put him in lethal danger.
The way Cowboy tells the story on Rogan, he makes it sound like he did everything right. He says, in the cave, "it's every man for himself," _but_ "I selflessly chose go in and save him." So, the story puts Cowboy's decision beyond raproche. No layman listening to him is going to say, "No, Cowboy, your partner deserved to be left for dead. You screwed up there." In his telling, Cowboy is only breaking the safety rules because he wants to save his partner's life. Of course, framing the story that way doesn't fit together with the part where his partner apparently saved himself, without any assistance or even moral support from Cowboy.
I'm no diver, but even so, that bit didn't make sense to me when I first watched this. So thank you guys for giving a professional response to this.
@@DIVETALK I really do think there’s a distinction to be made between him suggesting he’s a “super cave diver” or being super into cave diving, also that he may be no where as into cave diving as many others such as you two fellas. Because if you are analysing the video to debunk a self proclaimed expert who is a fraud than it make a lot of sense to pick at everything in this manner, I think you took things very literally too, he is definitely the type of guy to try to save another, I believe he was clearly summarising the point you guys made about self preservation, along with other things he said. He clearly isn’t a cave diving scholar or an academic of any sort, he received blows to the head from trained martial artists for a career.
I work in a dangerous industry with many shared hazards with caving, a brief and almost heartless rule we are taught is self escape, just get yourself out and don’t take risks for others. Of course this could be expanded on almost endlessly with so many different situations and factors that it could go on and on. But it would not be false for me to state that I was trained to self escape above assist others
I’ve been following Donald Cerrones career since he was an amateur MMA fighter. He puts himself in multiple unnecessary positions that could cause him great bodily harm or death outside of his MMA career. His story sounds a little fabricated, but I think in his mind that’s exactly how it happened. Lol 😂
Woody and Gus, you guys are the only people I would ever Cave Dive with. So much respect for you guys 💜
Ohh man…. I was soo impressed with this story when I heard it. I saw divers react to it and got excited! Watching it again with you now my cringe is physically painful.
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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@@electrictroy2010 lol how many times is this reply copy/pasted.
i'd actually forgot about the story until now, or rather was aware of it but forgot that i'd heard it, i'm thinking because i blocked it out as i found it to be exceedingly cringey from the start; he's a very rambling (/poor) storyteller, and he compensates for it by being extra melodramatic. and i always liked cerrone, so it was hard to sort of keep that association in my mind. i could never speak to how valid it was or wasn't, but i always assumed professional divers would have this sort of critical field day with it, lmao.
I don't know shit about diving, and I am actually kind of scared to even attempt it, but it is a very interesting channel to learn all this stuff. I love that they focus on safety and that they are always learning. Great Job.
Thank you!
It may be worth going to a nice shallow reef with an instructor! Diving is awesome and is very safe if you’re responsible
Hey scared is a great place to start. It means you respect the risks! However you can replace that fear with skill quite quickly like you possibly did with swimming, cycling, driving... etc. And once you are at a basic competence level, you are already exploring a new world. Oh, and in that world, it feels like you can fly sometimes. And alien-like species you may have no idea even exist. And topside, some of the nicest most passionate interesting and friendly people you could meet.
I don't fancy cave diving but I did the first day of training, dived 6m on a cold coral reef in Ireland and I loved it. Closest thing to stepping onto an alien planet lol.
Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life - Theodore Roosevelt
Woody, it's interesting that you mentioned the importance of humility, because that is a characteristic I've noticed in you as I watch your podcasts.
For sure I've seen it before but this video was arrogance.
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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So, I had a serious accident wreck diving, and his story brought back a TON of PTSD… but I did a lot of rookie stuff that got me there, and so did this guy.
I wonder if after this traumatic event, this is what he genuinely believes is what happened? The brain will do some amazing gymnastics to protect the ego. After my event I had to piece the story together based on the eye witness accounts.
Happy to see you write here. If you are not a ghost, as I suppose, it means you are safe and sound. Bene! 😊
@@micol7490 I dont think I'm a ghost, I may need some help making the final determination though.
@@chrisvallianos8164 ahahahah well, evviva! :)
I remember watching his video for the first time and thinking: "wow, he is sooo bad ass, the horror he must have been throught". The second time... not so much and the third time:" hummm maybe there is something wrong with his story". Thank you so much for this.
I love and respect these guys soooo much for calling out this man ! So humble ! Love these guys
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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I lost it when he said he broke the rule (his own made up rule) to "leave every man behind." Dude is desperate to be a big hero.
Ha right!
It’s not a rule if he breaks it 😂😂 it’s an “objective choice based on context and if he’s worth risking my life for” if I was a diver I would want someone with integrity next to me. The kind of person who never wavers in the way they act or treat others.
lol this is so true
You can ALWAYS tell that guy at the campfire conversation who casts himself as the leading role in a movie that he's writing as he right as he tells it.
LOL!!!!!
So the guy who was literally tangled up, gets himself out and leaves the cave. Meanwhile, this guy is losing his mind bouncing off the top of the cave like an idiot.
"A cave is a spaghetti bowl of passageways." Your breakdown was so much more interesting and entertaining than his account.
hes also had 6 beers on the rogan show before this story
Exactly. And possibly a joint. I’d have thrown in frickin’ sharks with frickin’ laser beams in his place.
I haven’t finished the video, still enough time for the laser sharks
And a gang of whiskey lol
That is a very good point. Thanks for bringing it up. All stories get a little better after six beers.
Yeah.. I thought that they were being just a little rough on ole Cowboy. I was a fan of Cowboy and always liked his style.
Wow, watching this made me rethink my views on donald. The line about leaving a friend/diving partner behind without even trying to help just shows how conceited he is. He was probably told to look until it becomes unsafe and he took it as dont look. Self preservation is definitey an important thing to have, but compassion for other human beings is also super important.
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@Bill Chisholm Why.... It's a reaction video... So stopping an talking is par for the course.. these men are best friends... They have a great time together ...!! Take care guy ✌🏼💗😊
You protect yourself and your life first and foremost and never risk your safety to help someone else. That’s why in almost all of these stories multiple people end up dying because they’re putting someone else’s life first and not taking the time to think about themselves and their own life. You can worry about someone else within reason, but you never ever do something that could lead to you dying while trying to save them.
@@jeffl9956 im not saying expell all of your air trying to help, im just saying make an attempt. Obviously if its not happening its not happening, but imagine leaving without him knowing you didnt at least try. Sorry if i came off as ignorant, because i see where youre coming from. No point in losing two lives
Everyman for themselves 🤷♂️
You guys are confused at one point in the story. At the end when he was looking for a way out he kept trying different routes then coming back to the main line to reset. There’s no line from the beginning of the main line to the exit. That is the missing jump line that his dive buddy got tangled in a pulled out of the cave. Therefore he’s navigating blind due to silt and no jump line from the main line.
Wouldn’t the main line get you to a point where you can see light?
I'm fairly certain Donny boy was told "I'm never diving with YOU again, Cowboy".
when you said his last words should be "i let go of the line" i genuinely belly laughed out loud. another non diving binge watcher here btw
Has everyone forgotten how many times cowboy has been kicked and punched in the head?
Agreed. Although I took his “I’m a super cave diver” as ‘I really enjoy cave diving’ not as ‘I’m an elite cave diver’ just an observation.
But in another sentence he said that “people like me discover these caves, map them, give them a name, etc.”...so he’s insinuating that he’s a cave explorer.
We are cave divers and we would never say “people like me explore these caves”, no way, cave explorers are a rare breed and at a whole ‘nother level, and we are happy there are people like them in the world so the rest of us regular Cave Divers can enjoy those caves.
@@DIVETALK his ego is definitely a problem. Thanks for bringing that up. I wouldn’t want him watching my 6 even 10ft under.
He’s primarily a ufc fighter, which you need to have that kind of self belief and enlarged ego. so the large ego comes with his primary trade, unfortunately it does not translate as well when talking about diving.
Another thing - do you ever have idiots move your cookies? Have you ever lost one?? How do you secure them or is it too technical? I forgot its BLACK down there so probably only you 2 know where they are. If it's just you 2 diving, is one of you the DM? someone has to be in charge, right?? Can't have a discussion about what to do in an emergency, IN A CAVE! need someone to call it 👍and you both head back to surface. Is that right?
@@DIVETALK He's a mixed martial arts fighter. You absolutely have to have tremendous self confidence, ego, cockiness, etc. To do that for a living.
When he says he's a "super cave diver" or states anything that people might interpret as him boasting about his cave diving prowess. You have to take that with a grain of salt.
They were in Aerolito Cenote. At 30 min I get the impression when he went into the stirred up area to look for his buddy he basically did the jump without a jump line passing his buddy as he did so, then when he said he had found the mainline he actually found the next mainline past the jump. That's why he had to leave it and go back in the stirred up area to pick up the first mainline, that's where he got lost and disorientated again. Why the hell he didn't use a jump line I have no idea. Perhaps he didn't have one and the guy he was with was planning to rig any jumps and he was just along as a passenger.
That's exactly how I understood it too! I wish the two reviewers had picked up on that as well, I think we could have had a much better analysis of the whole event.
Yeah I’m no cave diver but it seemed clear to me that’s what Donald was saying. I agree there’s some issues and red flags with Donald’s story here, but it seems like their reactions in this video are largely based on a misunderstanding of what he’s saying. This is partially because Donald’s story is being told over dramatically, so it’s choppy and fragmentary and trying to keep suspense high, which is fine for entertainment but not great for a serious analysis, but also I think they’re a bit over focused on him being an idiot the whole Yeah I’m no cave diver but it seemed clear to me that’s what Donald was saying. I agree there’s some issues and red flags with Donald’s story here, but it seems like their reactions in this video are largely based on a misunderstanding of what he’s saying. This is partially because Donald’s story is being told over dramatically, so it’s choppy and fragmentary and trying to keep suspense high, which is fine for entertainment but not great for a serious analysis, but also I think they’re a bit over focused on him being an idiot the whole time, and maybe even overindulging on that a bit throughout their analysis.time, and maybe even overindulging on that a bit throughout their analysis.
Can't believe you guys missed this. He says "guys like me, tec divers" when talking about laying lines into caves.
Once again, I was laughing my ass off the entire time. You guys are hilarious. And this story is clearly mostly BS 😂
Julia, yeah we thought so as well.
"That's his...not sophisticated way of saying that."
Hahaha. This is a great podcast. Glad I found yall.
Yep lol
@@DIVETALK cowboy is not a joke for sure. he is a bad ass in life. but w/e
When Woody made that ceiling joke I just couldnt hold it in 😂. Thanks for the laughs fellas!
I snorkeled once as a child and feel fully qualified to say that the scuba spider man technique is not only an effective method of traversing underwater caves but also a stylish one.
Hey, you guys were 100% right about people watching the original video without knowledge of cave diving. I saw this interview back when it first came out and had no clue how much wrong there was with his story/actions. Your video is super informative, really interesting to hear someone who knows what they're talking about break it down.
Frank thanks for saying this. Much appreciated and this is the purpose of our channel.
Nothing to write down anything for my wife after I die "I let go of the line" LMFAO
How thoughtful of him. Lol
Twice - he let go the first time to look for his buddy. Miraculously found the line again 2400 feet away and let go a 2nd time to inflate his BCD to find the ceiling.
You can’t go down a cave when your ego is inflated 😂
His buddy told him “we are never diving again !” and not “so, we not diving ever again, are we?
I’m an ex military diver, and this is one of the best vids so far, my suspicion is that Cerrone is definitely a super Billy bullshit. This is the perfect example of how people let their imaginations get carried away when telling stories about themselves while trying to impress. This isn’t the first time someone has got carried away on the Joe Rogan show and talked a complete load of bollocks. Perfect example as to why you should take anything you hear on the Joe Rogan show with a pinch of salt, especially when it comes to people recounting stories of their own heroics.
Take 5 minutes and look at Donald Cerrone’s social media. He’s not for a second super billy bullshit. He is actually living that life. Is there some hyperbole in this story? Yeah definitely. I’ve followed this guy for 6-7 years and watched his fights, the dude has guts and being ex military you know about guts.
Marty - this comment made me laugh out loud!!! ‘Billy Bullshit’ - we use this in Scotland all the time!!!
Aww someone’s feelings got hurt
@@spencerlocke7443 Mate...the fact this particular story seems cred to you...kinda implies you're gullible, and, therefore would believe any of the others. There's plenty of brave people with "guts," that also have, say, a personality disorder that drives them to seek attention and concoct stories. (Histrionic, etc.)
Depends on who's on the Joe Rogan show. He interviews people like Jordan Peterson and Graham Hancock. People like that definitely aren't going to tell a crazy story just to make themselves look good
I'm going through a tough time and I'm so happy I found your channel. Guaranteed laughs and always learning something new ❤️
Hope you're doing well 3 months later. God bless you.
Hope you’re ok. Hold on there bud
hope ur doing well!
I’m sure the one that did all the panicking was Donald. Good fighter, but nowhere near the brightest bulb in the pack lol
When cerrone called himself a super diver I don't think he meant he's super good at it.
More like super into it
I think the line he found in the cave was the technical line that is left in the cave, and the "Jump Line" he talks about is the line from the surface to the technical line. His dive buddy had taken that line back up to the surface Apparently, so I guess his buddy left him down there with no line according to his story.
How do you know this yet the people doing a break down don't care to find the information. I guess it a lot easier to just speculate and make fun of someone.
@@johnny10grasp3 I think op is speculating as well.
@@kattypatty8581 the op is giving benefit of the doubt instead of instantly assuming that someone is lying. And it makes sense in the context of what Cowboy was saying. It goes a long way to pay attention and put pieces of the story together instead of pausing the video every 2 seconds and make conclusions sentence by sentence.
@@EduardO-gm7hx Amen.. I mean I understand they have the experience but the gentleman on the left wanting to stop the video every damn second was definitely annoying because I feel he didn't wait long enough to hear more about was involved about the story.. allow Cerrone to speak a little more
@asd fgh doesn’t change the fact he broke every rule of cave diving. Those rules exist because people have died not following them, and were made exactly because people have died.
Cerrone sold this so well I questioned if he made it out alive
I’ve never rolled my eyes this much before it’s so hard listening to him talk idk how y’all even made this video
You guys are truly incredible and I love your channel and your spirits.
Cowboy has taken more strikes than any fighter in UFC history. Take that for what it is. Dude maybe shouldn't be in a cave.
Lol what? Making shit up? He has broken more ufc records then anyone tho
No I don't think that's made up - he's been in the game a long time and almost definitely has CTE. You don't wanna be cave diving with brain damage.
He is the winningest fighter in the UFC for sure, but probably also the most losing.
@@williammiller496 why would I make that up?
Because that's not a thing lmao, they have most strikes in a single fight but not that. It's just cap
Why would you be "thinking about writing a letter" when you know you have over an hour of air left?
Uhhhh nope
And hour isn’t enough tome to be rescued.
Umm, i didn't see the video on JRE with Cerrone, and I'm only 20 minutes into this reaction video.. So maybe this question i have is explained in the video..
But how in tf can u write a letter under water??
Like what am i missing here lol..
Is there underwater pens and paper I'm not aware of???
I'm thoroughly confused by this 🤔
I mean the pen working underwater is one thing, but the paper would basically disintegrate lol..
IDK but maybe this is coming stuff and I'm in the dark 🤷🏻♂️
I think this whole story was told in reverse. This roid-rage of a man was the one that panicked, lost the line, and silted out. His dive instructor buddy looked for him until he was at bingo air level at which time he had to vacate. Luckily, Cowboy was able to find his bearings and live to twist the story. I would LOVE to hear this tale from his buddies perspective.
Wow, that started scary, and you guys help point out how there's gaps and how some of it is really cringey. Also, I've only ever done one cenote dive, and the dive master was super specific on not panicking, not kicking up the silt, and staying on the line. We could easily have gotten to air at any point but he still really stressed staying on the line.
THE GUY LET GO OF MAIN LINE. Twice. That was his absolute dumbest mistake(s)
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“I’m a super car driver with 10 years experience” - yeah but I know every single time I get in my car, it could be fatal. I know nothing about cave diving but I’m guessing the ego is the same.
Read that as "car diver" was confused for a sec
@@mekhdio1281 It is car driver. She’s making an analogy.
@@derekg5674 ik but when I first read that I read car diver
I’ve watched the original video twice or more times before finding this channel and it seemed so tense but after watching this it seemed like he was over reacting , thank you for opening my eyes to his experience, this channel is great
Thanks for the comment and the support!
"I'm coming home, baby." 😂🤦♀️
I know little about (cave-)diving and immediately suspected his story was bullshit. He also seems like the least suited person to do this activity to start with considering his giant ego and his total lack of calm. Thanks for the video, guys!
Wow I am happy I rewatched this with you guys. When I watched it on its initial release I was a Rescue Diver with no experience outside Open Water. Now I am an Instructor and wreck instructor and it's an entire different video with this knowledge. (Super Ship Diver got me good haha)
Thanks for rewatching it Derrick!
When he said "super" he simply meant he lioves it.
@@sebs2306live2 So I see thats your opinion. I took it as he was really good at it. Not that he loves it. I don't understand how you can get super mixed up with love. 🤡
I think he was hoping Hollywood was listening and would offer him to make that into a movie. The exaggeration, the energy while explaining, just screamed "this would be an awesome movie!" to me.
It’s a great story, and it works great for non-cave divers
You guys are hysterical! I love watching your videos and learn so much…this is one of my favorites….love to see you both laughing! Thank you.
When Gus pulled out his calculator so fast I cracked up thanks for the awesome content, so happy binge watching these videos!
i think we he said “im a super cave diver” he meant he loves doing it
I hope so. :)
I doubt it.
Nah it can't be.. most likely means he finds divign boring
Exactly
That is exactly what he meant. These guys seem really sensitive.
In any domain, people very experienced NEVER feel the need to always mention how good or how experienced they are. When someone starts showing off and commenting on their own talents, it says a lot about theit true level of skills/ arrogance.
Like jam or peanut butter: the least you have, the more you need to spread it out.
"I'm thinking, what's your letter going to be"
Woody - "I let go of the line"
😂 This video keeps on giving
I think Cerrone was actually the one getting caught up in the line in the first place, not his buddy.