80% of Car Buyers Want an EV; Tesla Shifts FSD Strategy in China - Autoline Daily 3814
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- Autoline reports breaking global car news, with great insight and analysis. Also, top auto executive interviews. We cover electric vehicles (EV), autonomous vechicles (AV) and internal combustion engine technology (ICE), as well as car sales & financial earnings snd new car reviews.
0:00 Will the UAW Organize Mercedes’ Alabama Plant?
0:39 Biofuel Companies Upset Over China Cooking Oil Imports
1:10 80% Of U.S. New Car Buyers Interested in an EV
1:58 Used EV Sales Growing in U.S.
2:50 Supplier Work Shortages Hurt Toyota In Mexico
3:39 Renault Bullish on AV Shuttles
4:46 Renault Launches Rafale PHEV With More Power
5:43 VW Introduces New Golf PHEV in EU
6:30 Opel Frontera Starts At €24,000 In Germany
6:56 Great Wall Motor Reveals 8-Cylinder Motorcycle
7:44 Tesla Shifts FSD Data Strategy in China
Story Links:
- U.S. Farmers Upset Over China Oil Imports: www.bloomberg.com/news/newsle...
- New Cars Buyers Want EVs: www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...
- U.S. Used EV Sales Growing: www.carvana.com/press/press-r...
- Worker Shortages in Mexico Hurt Toyota: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- Renault Developing AV Shuttles: media.renaultgroup.com/autono...
- Renault Rafale E-Tech 4X4 300 hp: media.renault.com/renault-raf...
- Golf PHEV Prices: www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/e...
- Opel Frontera Price: www.media.stellantis.com/em-e...
- Great Wall 8-Cylinder Motorcycle: autonews.gasgoo.com/china_new...
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Can you do a show on the Billions and Billions of dollars of government subsidies for the oil industry?????????
Don't forget the trillions spent on military adventurism and coups to protect oil imports.
That's because civilization happened only because of oil. 1 barrel of oil represents 4.5 years of a human working as hard as possible. Take 110 million barrels of oil each day and work out how much work that is. A factory essentially converts oil based energy into goods. A more efficient factory is more efficient at converting that energy. Our fertilizer comes from natural gas. Steel is made with coal. No hydrocarbons means no steel, glass, cement, aluminum, food, plastics, pharmaceuticals or nutritional supplements. That's why the true recent history of the world has been about control of mineral and hydrocarbon resources. The world isn't controlled by bankers. It's controlled by force. Military force. The US and Britain have tried to keep as much of these resources in the ground as possible so there would be more for in the long run. That plan isn't working out and were facing a forever oil shortage. That means back to living in caves.
Never heard a single mention in years of watching & reading mainstream media. It's a long list in various forms & highly diversified at so many levels, tax write-offs, subsidies, and always protected from even a mention.
No.
Everyone cries about giving money to friendly nations in trouble. They forget about the trillions of dollars given to oil producing nations and oil companies.
Conflict with this report..."For the first time since J.D. Power began its Electric Vehicle Consideration Study in 2021, EV buying sentiment has dropped.
The latest edition of the study revealed that 24% of respondents say they are “very likely” to consider purchasing an EV, down from 26% a year ago."
"EVs suck and nobody wants them." "If nobody wants them, then let's allow in Chinese EVs." "NOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
Yeah, that's the conundrum. The Chevy Bolt EV was one of the least expensive electric cars that you could purchase new. And it sold better than anything else GM had on their electric-powered platter at the time . . . a sensibly designed hatchback with practicality in mind. So, of course they stopped making them!
Since the end of World War 2, American auto makers have proven they can't help themselves in bringing out a nice car every now and then, only to immediately morph it into a higher priced land yacht. Then (in chronological order,) the Germans, the Japanese and the South Koreans would bring their sensibly-sized and affordable wares to the US market, and consumers reacted by buying them in droves. I drove a Saturn for almost 2 decades (I referred to it as a Toyota that was built in Tennessee) and this proved to me US manufactures are capable of build such things, if they actually allow themselves to do it.
I totally get why Biden put up tariffs on Chinese-made EVs in an election year, even though I think it's an over-reaction. But GM, Ford and other domestic players need to finally get serious about the entry level EV market and the fact that - surprise! - not everyone suddenly wanting an EV also wants it to be a multi-ton SUV or pickup that cost as much as a manufactured home.
@@benjaminnead8557 The US market is already covered in asian and European electrics. Some of the best on the road are coming from Kia or Hyundei. The issue with Chinese exports is that they're dumping them and since they artificially suppress their currency AND have very serious anti labor laws that depress worker pay their vehicles are artificially cheap. It threatens to wipe out local autos, not because theyr'e superior (some are, some aren't), but because they're just half the cost due to industry manipulation. The US isn't the only one that is going to engage in protectionism against China when it comes to cars. Everyones had their other manufacturing industries wiped out and autos are too important to let it happen there too.
You can say NO all you want. The OEMS only care about profit and not you. 😂
Legacy auto PR says they suck, so they regurgitate it on this channel. ;)
@@wt9653It's their job to turn a profit. I can't hold that against them, as long as they're doing it legally and without the government interfering.
They only need to care about how to satisfy us as consumers.
80% of buyers want EVs ? Sounds like BS .
** is BS.
That actually rings pretty true to me. People perceive EVs as having problems, but a lot of them are nebulous problems because of anecdotes. Most people don't have strong opinions that EVs will never and could never work, so they're open to the idea of it happening eventually when things get better.
Reasonable. Looking at the flux in the market today, I think that's a fair place to be. AND I don't think that's a problem for the industry. There will be growing pains and initial investment. If you're drunk off covid sales and unwilling to get to work.. That'll cause problems that have nothing to do with the fundamental viability of the platform.
"Three to five years". I'd be on the low end. It's a matter of less expensive options and a realization that rapid charging is largely in place.
Im guessing 80% of owners, also want a Honda Jet.
You'd guess wrong. Lots of people want to get between points A and B inexpensively. In the USA they refuse to build cheap EVs. So we wait.
Who doesn't want a Honda Jet? Does it run on Chinese vegetables oil?
Always an informative program.
I think Renault got it right. It's far easier to implement actual autonomy in a vehicle that's going to have a pre-programmed route (public transportation) than it is to do it with a car that may take a different route everyday. Make highway-bound heavy trucks and city-bound buses self-driving first. Those are the easy targets.
That's the only way Tesla could use robotaxis for the next few years. FSD (full SD) for all roads and traffic situations is still a number of years into the future.
Can't scale.
Cities tend to be more difficult than highways, and a bus or Class 8 is a much heavier vehicle than any autonomous system has earned the right to drive.
Autonomy near pedestrians is problematic, that is why most metro systems in the world still has a driver, a driver is still much better at anticipating (not reacting).
A good metro driver can spot a person on the platform that has a high chance of jumping.
So you might be right at highway traffic but wrong about urban traffic.
Cox represents the interests of Detroit and the auto dealers network. They haven't been reliable about EVs for over a decade.
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In 80's Hercules 2000 was a 6 pistons engine... Crazy for a this time
Good that some free trade is still alive
well, I can let everybody know because I just looked it up. Mercedes Benz, Alabama plant workers rejected the union.
😎👍
Just like Ford, GM, and Stellantis. Right after the UAW strike last year, they all went on a layoffs splurge.
VW will do the same in 2024. Same for Mercedes and others.
One layoff equals roughly 150,000 dollars saved.
Update
Smart employees at Mercedes reject UAW.
They must have read my comment 🤣
VW is actually gaining share in North America.
@@stephenboyington630 VW is reducing headcount worldwide in attempt to cut about €10 bn in cost.
I don't know where those 80% of car buyers are at, because I only know 1 or 2 people who are even considering an EV. No one else I know has one, is considering one, or wants one. Though there have been many conversations of why EVs are not viable in the USA.
Golf PHEV @ 44k EU sounds about the same price as the ID.3 77kWh ProS. ID.3 at parity with Golf PHEV?? Or Golf PHEV is European ‘cash cow’ for VW?
I had an EV from 2014-2020 and loved it (BMW i3). But for me to get another one, I’ll need at least 350 miles of range……for less than $50K. 🤷🏼♂️
Why 350 miles of range? I assume that if you owned an EV as early as 2014 then you could charge where you parked.
Start with 300 miles and drive down to 270 (10%). Charge for about 20 minutes, charging from 10% to 80% and drive 210 miles. That's 480 miles with only a lunch stop. If you're going further, charge for a few minutes when you stop to pee.
Why wouldn't that work for you?
Tesla 3 Long Range - about $40 with about 340 miles of range.
Tesla Y Long Range - about $45 with about 310 miles of range.
@@bobwallace9753 My i3 only got about 100 miles of range, with about 45 miles extra from a gas powered “range extender”. (a lot of range anxiety!!). Traveling from L.A. to Las Vegas, or Las Vegas to Palm Springs a lot is around 300-320 miles one way, and I DON’T want to stop. (If traveling further, I fly). I don’t want a large vehicle, I loved the i3’s size. I also don’t even need 4-doors!! (No passengers for me, I ride solo…..very happily) If Tesla ever comes out with a Model 2 (smaller vehicle) that gets 350-400 miles of range, I’m there! …..maybe Rivian’s upcoming R3 in a few years would work too!
How come you could live with a 80 mile ev for 6 years but couldn't live with a 250-300 mile EV today
@@JD-yx7be Years ago I’d drive my OTHER sports cars between L.A., Las Vegas, Palm Springs. But now I ONLY want to use them as weekend toys for short trips. A longer range EV would now be used to travel between those cities.
That exists, for many makers now, especially hybrids like Camry and Accord hybrids
Welcome back Sean!
Love your show thank you! Request: pls don’t cite Reuters, as they’ve been proven unreliable regarding Tesla news.
Average car owner pays $567/mth.
Robotaxi should cost about $150/mth.
Why buy a car when you can rent one and save $417/mth?
Robotaxi. LOL. You will be carried to work for free by Bigfoot before you are driven to work in a robotaxi.
exactly.
@@stephenboyington630 incorrect... eHang already has proven and legal drone taxi... with human in them, 2022.... you are 2 years behind bud
@@stephenboyington630 you clearly missed the vtols like Archer and eHang... which is confirmed in many countries with human use
Robotaxis already exist in most areas of the world. They are powered by unicorn farts, maintained by leprechauns, and financed by the pots of gold at the ends of rainbows.
Cox automotive doesn't sell cars retail....They should just ask their own dealer customers how few people will EVER buy an EV...They aren't having a huge success auctioning off EV's to dealers because they can't sell them...
Another issue that surprised me this winter season is just how much my DC charging rates/speed decreased. My car DC charger is rated at 170 kWh which I consistently achieve during the summer and fall season. Then I stopped seeing anything over 50-60 kWh rates of charge during winter season till now. And we had a mild winter season here in Detroit.
What car and car brand do you have? VW ID cars have not battery pre-heating. This will reduce the charging speeds if the battery is cold. The Teslas have pre heating and get full speed year around.
@@Harrythehun EQE 350. Mercedes service department says it’s normal.
That is by design to minimize damage to your battery. My car also charged slower when using DC fast charging this past winter. My home charging was unaffected.
What I don't understand is in Norway where half the vehicles are EVs the owners say cold weather has no impact on battery charge.
@@stephenboyington630 Suddenly my trip to Chicago went from 5+ hrs including a 15 minute charging stop to me living the EQE home and driving the Silverado. Also, home charger is AC and is not effected by temperature.
So the value of secondhand Evs are dropping faster than ICE cars. This means depreciation on EVs is higher than ICE. Why is that if they are supposed to be better?
Evs are awesome. Those who don’t own them don’t know why evs offer a wonderful ownership experience.
Fear of something new is normal. Education, exposure and familiarity overcomes this fear. Tesla Model Y is the world's #1 selling car and without any advertising.
I think that Great Wall motorcycle is a flat8, not a v8. Looks like a Honda Goldwing.
Every Chinese product looks like a rip-off of something western.
I bet if you surveyed how many people who wanted a manual transmission to how many who actually bought one are very different stories
I'd buy one but there aren't any available and choices are slim. Same situation with EVs.
What about no transmission like my Tesla and it’s faster too 💕
Would consider and want are two Very different things. And refueling/recharging cost are approaching parity. It's going to be a slog.
Most of the charging happens / should happen at home. Charging should be far cheaper
Utilities are behind high electricity costs and the fossil fuel industry is behind the utilities.
We need home solar to power our homes and charge our cars.
So the government put a 50% tariff on it to proctor US energy companies.
@@khuo0219 Yep, and most folks don't realize an overnight 1 - 1.5 kw charge (about the power a hair dryer or small space heater pulls) is enough to give them 50 - 80 km of driving the next day based on the vehicle efficiency for a fraction of what public charging or filling at the pump would cost. So having a level 2 charger shouldn't be a barrier to entry unless they have a marathon commute. Apartment dwellers are probably better off with an HEV anyway. If I were planning a new apartment complex build I would future proof by putting in at least two level 1 chargers per apartment and offer level 2 charging in designated areas at a reasonable price, with a congestion charge of course.
@@danharold3087I think it makes more sense to have solar at work to charge our cars.
@@JohnPMiller LOL my post was removed.
A self driving French car sounds like it would be a lot of fun, but you could never get past the first bar or boulongerie!
Only goes in reverse!
Opel Frontera looks a lot like a KIA Soul.
So could we see that Great Wall bike in America. Please let us know . I bet HD owners would love a cruiser H8
They can get certain used EVs for less than $30k but they aren't going to be as efficient or going to have the advance features as their newer counterpart.
They're giving them away because they're disposable.
bought 2 used EV's, Ariya and C40 Recharge from Carvana this year both just at or below $30K. Check Carvana before heading to buy an EV that would not qualify for the tax credit, (Foreign made)., GO to the dealership for an American made ev as the tax credit can make a difference.
that is the same with all vehicles regardless of power train. My 95 f150 with the 5.0L gets 15mpg with 190hp a new f150 with the 5.0L gets 20mpg with 400hp
Osbourne Effect. Next years' models will have better batteries, longer range, lower prices, and NACS plugs.
Tesla gives you free updates about every 2 weeks and they are Great my Tesla is the Best Car in ever drove I love to drive it & it’s so smooth
Everyone wants to go to heaven (drive an EV) but nobody wants to die (buy one)
I'm buying my second one since the first one has been so good.
@@dangrass Why do you need two cars.
I wish we got VWs hybrids in the states. I don't want an ID3. I like my Atlas but the mileage can be trash.
I am quite happy for early adopters to improve EVs. I'll wait, like the majority. Firstly EVs are a minor improvement for the environment at this stage. When our electricity networks are renewable they will be much better. I am yet to believe there is any surety that we are going to have a massive environmental problem with old batteries. Yes, I've seen all the possibilities but when the cars are old, in rural areas I doubt anyone will be wanting them. There seems to be an assumption the batteries will be worth recycling - but I suspect newer batteries will have different chemistries and the recycled materials will be more expensive then virgin materials. Hopefully I am wrong. Finally I have no confidence that the charging network will keep up with sales - and will not turn into a huge cash cow.
It seems Renault is following BYD's lead (Seal and Dolphin). Full autonomy is a pipe dream, and some people (myself included) are not interested. Making a cheap(er) BEV is a great idea.
With everyone struggling to pay bills right now, I like the UAW's chances.
Of destroying the American car industry.
Me too 😞
@@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102 Kinda feels like the big 3 were doing that with or without the unions.
@@ethanwelner1230 Yep.
Those aren’t algorithms they’re training buddy.
You may want to look at China bring vehicles into Canada.
I think Renault has the right size battery in their sport model. I drive electric about 88% of the time. 62 mile range would like boast that to 98%.
Anyone asked just like this if they would consider an EV will say ‘Why not?’ It doesn’t mean anything, most are not even planning to buy any car soon anyway.
I am waiting for musk to be fired and I do own stock. I am glad the refreshed model Y wasn't offered at the start of the year with the 3. If it was, I would have bought one already. I will no longer buy anything tesla until musk is gone. I'll be dumping my stock sometime after we get to vote down his ridiculous stock bonus.
I have a chevy volt, so I'll stick with that until it can't function. I have no faith in any non-tesla company making a good EV, so musk is really the only thing holding tesla back. Others must agree, because tesla sales are falling despite a lack of competition.
The study says 80% would consider, not want, an EV sometime (up to 10+ years) in the future, but only if EVs and their charging infrastructure start to suck less. Recent EV consideration is trending downwards from 51% in 2022 to 45% in 2024.
So are you saying no one knows what evil lurks in the hearts and minds of men?
@@_PatrickO- I agree, the board needs to fire Musk. His time has passed. Someone more sane, and without 6 other companies to run, should be at the top. However, Musk's ego would never allow it.
🤣Indeed.
Not only that but it's 80% of people, not clever enough to cross the road when they see people with clip boards asking questions, say 'Why not' to considering an EV.
Did you discover the fountain of youth?
Sean is a chip off the old block.
Interesting survey on car buyers interest in EVs. I think we can thank Toyota and the anti-EV FUD "industry" for their role in slowing down the transition to BEVs. Having said that, it's clear to me that the vast majority of car buyers out there are completely unaware of the benefits of a BEV. It would be enormously useful for a consortium of BEV manufacturers coming together to fund an information/anti-disinformation campaign. I suspect that Tesla would be far better off spending some money on this than reducing prices on vehicles. While Elon Musk believes that the only thing that matters is price/performance, I think in this case he is wrong.
Memo to Renault.....license Tesla FSD.
I'd like to see Tesla start a program of public information about the usability and desirability of EVs. This doesn't need to be done as Tesla ads but as a public service. And as people learn and decide to buy an EV Tesla will benefit from a larger addressable market.
Toyota actually saw the cost of batteries and knew they weren't profitable. Now cost are down to the point they can turn a profit they are investing in them
I already owned an EV, I went back to ICE. EV's are dumb.
already owned an EV and it didn't cut it so I went back to ICE
@@rotaryenginepete
What about the EV you owned didn't work for you and which EV did you own?
TSLA rules. 11,000% gain since 2010 IPO. EVs rule.
Most to all of the early adopters have their EVs. Everyone else is waiting for the NACS switch over. That's a huge reason in the slowing of EV sales that no one is really talking about.
I don't think most car buyers are all that tuned into charging standards wars.
It's more about the high interest rates imho, nobody wants to get a car loan at comically high rates of 8 percent and such.
I know a few folks in that boat, they straight up could not justify an expensive loan at such uncertain times, but when Tesla offered a %0.99 APR rate last week half of them rushed to configure one.
Hopefully these rates come down again, or at least people become less spooked about the economy in general.
The other factor is upfront costs, which are now starting to come down rapidly for non-compliance EVs - Tesla, Hyundai, Kia etc.
No matter how attractive a product is or how much value it provides for a given price, if people can't afford them it does not matter, so the fact that EVs are about to disrupt the low-end Camry or even the Corolla segment next should be exciting.
I agree that the sudden standardization switch to NACS/J3400 threw a wrench into EV adoption and, to borrow a computer marketing term, kind of gave everyone a Osborne Effect moment (ie: caution consumer asking why buy an EV this year with a CCS-1 port and have to use an adapter when you encounter an increasingly-common NACS plug, when you can just wait another year and said car will be NACS equipped from the get-go?) Elon Musk also having one of his Ketamine-induced fits and firing everyone associated with the Supercharger Network also put out a lot of uncertainty.
Because the economy and job market is shrinking for common workers outside of electrician and plumbers...
Bidenomics is failing, not the EV market
Trillions in taxes? How would you know that unless it is a public company and you have reviewed that company’s sec filings. I don’t think so. World wide, oil companies have received trillions in tax breaks, which lowers their tax liability immensely.
This should be yet another great example of the distance between the news and actual reality, of all the people in the towing community i know in the greater Detroit/Chicago area, people are dumping EVs faster than they can build them. I'd say actually 20% of the people we tow may try a EV again only when it's 100% figured out, the other 80% want nothing to do with EVs and went back to ICE or hybrid and will never look back. The amount of EVs we've towed in the last 3 years is ridiculous (percentage wise to ICEs to market share, EVs are towed alot more) though this past year i can say it has gone down a bit and have noticed less EVs driving around the Detroit area. IDK where these places are getting this info, but when we went to the 2024 Florida Tow Show, everyone was saying the same thing. I think this is all nothing but a bunch of made up hype to try and get more people to get a EV and in hopes they're brain washed enough to keep it, nowhere in any of these major cities are anyone saying EV sales are going up and more towing companies are saying customers want out and getting either ICE or Hybrid. The future may be very different, but for now, the EV shiny spot is falling apart.
I want an EV but I'm in a second story apartment, have street parking, and the areas I sometimes commute to have almost no charger coverage. Literally I don't think I could make an EV work if I owned one. I also don't actually drive very much and vampiric drain kinda worries me with street parking.
well you might actually be the FIRST person in the world with this excuse. Good news is you're not. Rent one for a weekend and quitcherbitchin' :)
@@QuincyHolloway-eb5yy ..What? The excuse of "I can't drag a cable from my bedroom window to the street?" What would renting a vehicle for a weekend even prove? That it fits on the side of a road and that, yup, there's no charger there? I feel like I can do that test for free by looking outside.
@@ethanwelner1230 any chance where you work, shop, workout, go to walk, local parks etc have any ev chargers you could use?
Install solar panels on the car roof top
Don't look for reasonable replies from the EV fanboy crowd. In the real world, EVs don't make sense for many people.
I don’t believe this percent is right at all . There is reasons for wanting an EV and not wanting one.This percent is this in China?or elsewhere ?
China is part of this world...we're just one big, happy planet.
80% seems a lot ambitious.
There are people near us who use horses, so switching to motorized contraptions isn't for everybody, either.
@jamesvandamme7786 Owning and maintaining a horse might be $10k for 10 years. Definitely a cheaper option.
Who'd they ask? 10 people in California? 😂
I am saving a lot of money not buying gas, so who is having the last laugh, not you Jeff Carrol!
I agree with you Roger Martinez. You couldn’t force me to go back to ICE! It’s so backwards
They should have polled people in Detroit. The rest of the world doesn't know anything! I'm glad GM's developing a new V8 so it'll be ready when this crazy EV fad ends. Who wants to drive a car that doesn't even need oil changes? Who wants to charge at home, when they could easily drive to a gas station to fill up?
@@rogermartinez78 laugh it up buddy, while you lose your behind in depreciation, you better save some money somewhere...lol
@@JohnPMiller I feel sorry for you my friend, you might want to develop a Time Machine and go back to the twentieth century!
1:07 Many people don't realize that China has solved the "gutter oil" problem many years ago, not only by strengthening food regulation, but also by developing the biofuel industry.
And not only that but companies are buying the oil for use as a bio fuel feed stock, not for cooking, so what's all the worry about?
China did NOT solve the gutter oil problem. It still exists.
I secretly want an ev but I am not aloud to say so for political reasons.
With GPU export restricted to China, I am curious what Tesla using for training
Nvidia runs the market, buddy... that is our PC gaming industry leader for 20 years, in the states.
Nvidia is crushing them, and byd already has to make a giant nvidia order for the future 😆 💸
BYD relies on american tech genius Nvidia
coxs is probably right. i bet the price is the main contributor.
Cox is almost never right...due to who they are serving.
Oh, snap! Gutter oil is making its way to the States.
I know several EV buyers. They're all burried in their loans. Apparently EVs depreciate like laptop computers.
That is why you buy used without a loan. all cars regardless of power train are a liability.
@@JD-yx7be The problem with used EVs is that the battery might well be very degraded. If that's the case, you just bought a very expensive, fire-prone brick.
@@dzcav3 the problem with used ice is the engine could be very worn. Have to do research on the health of the battery just like you have to check any used item.
@@JD-yx7be Anti-EV rumors and FUD dies hard.
But they last a lot longer than gas cars
People understand EVs are basically golf carts.
They aren't going to pay much for them.
That survey must be made up lol
Perhaps a better survey would ask do they enjoy a ICE vehicle with endless maintenance, costly fueling, having to breathe carcinogenic fueling fumes, supporting dictators of oil producing countries or do they prefer their next car an EV without these problems? It might show 99% prefer EVs.
this is so true....points out the need to inform an ignorant public on the benefits of dumping IC.
I think an important part of getting accurate survey data is not guiding your survey taker to answer the way you want. You're not educating everyone, youre just educating the survey takers, and then your survey only ends up being representative of the people you coached.
EVs are far from maintenance free and repair costs can be much higher. There is a reason EVs are called remote combustion engines.
Do you know where EV batteries come from? We have children in South America digging up rare earth minerals and often forced labour victims in China assembling batteries and solar panels, so they well-heeled Westerners can feel smug in the illusion that funding these practises is magically saving the world from something.
@@blattimus Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia.
GM needs to hurry up and bring back the Voltec system with an Ultium battery. 140 km of EV range is insane, that's one crazy commute. Something more along the lines of 80 km is all most folks really need, any thing more and they are just hoarding batteries, the tiny percentage of the time they need more range is what the range extender is for, that and the occasional road/day trips.
I can see a BEV or HEV making sense for folks with longer commutes and drivers who can't charge daily at home or work.
Tesla should just put its datacenter in Taiwan. What's China going to say--that Taiwan is *not* part of China?! 😝
Tempted to drop a quip about extra virgin gutter oil, but actually I am curious about what the facts are on this. It could be an interesting story, and maybe not provoke so much cynicism after all.
hemp fuel is superior, and algae fuel
@@dertythegrower And how does this relate to my comment? What does this have to do with cooking oil?
🤩 I want a BYD Seagull and Shark pickup truck!
Welfare vehicles prices at welfare derived prices, crashing all other creators by using welfare funds they dont have to repay (way more than Elon ever gets)
BYD without welfare and copying elon, is bankrupt without the state's help to keep their prices below all others
No Commie cars for you!
6uild 6ack 6etter..👹...EVil
It's not about politics. It's about what is best for the consumer, and not the unions, dealers, or the oil companies.
I don’t know where these 80% want. I bet it was some good confusing way the question was asked. Most people I know just figure they will be forced to buy one.
Further more every person I know who owns one buys an EV has sold it within a year. The limitations of the EV and additional costs to charge at home has been not explained very well
99% of men want to make out with an easy, young, hot, dumb blonde dancer from the strip club.
Only a few wanto to marry one…
Well, all I can say is you "know" a very narrow and rather unusual slice of EV owners. Your "additional cost to charge" comment shows you don't know very much about them. Even when gasoline is cheap, it's far cheaper to charge at home with grid electricity than to have to go someplace to fill up with dino juice. How's the weather in North Korea today?
@@benjaminnead8557 well not everyone is in a house and have to pay for charging at a station. Then on top of it their is the cost of time as well.
Though the people with a house have to upgrade electrical to the garage to do the good charging and cost of the faster charger that they had to buy.
As someone who was also hired to audit and produce financials for sun edison if it wasn’t for tax credits your green energy will at least increase 4X making it much less affordable to drive on our tax dollars currently.
@@benjaminnead8557 A recent Gallup survey showed that only 1/6 of Americans either owned, or were seriously considering buying an EV. 1/3 might consider one in the future. And 1/2 would not consider buying one at all. Recent sales figures seem to support the Gallup numbers. I suspect the Cox numbers reflect optimism that EVs will get much better and cheaper in the future. That's why people say they are not ready to buy one now.
Most EV owners are rich homeowners who also own at least one other ICE vehicle (for long trips or towing). That's why EV sales are slowing. The market is running low on rich fanboys.
I love my Tesla Performance Model S. I probably put a dozen people into an electric car because they took a really fast ride with me.
Cheers 😎--Model S Superbeam tech
Love my EV cant wait till I can get a replacement EV for my work van.
80% buyer wants EV?😂🤪😉🤣😂
Sounds like the ministry of disinformation is at work.
20% will NEVER buy an EV because the oil industry told them not to.
"partnering with a Chinese data center.." Tesla will perfect it and the Chinese will monetize it for them.🤣
80% Americans want an EV next thats a lie. I’ve articles that say otherwise and seen survey that say otherwise and the sales are reflecting it.
yep.
They want one but 60% of potential buyers have no way to charge at home, work, or out running errands. That is going to change for at least 10 years in America and it will also be that long before there is any decent used EV market.
I would say 80 percent of Americans don't even think or care about BEVs. The whole EV push is so obvious. Most Americans think of getting a car and the default car is an ICE or hybrid. Some consider BEVs but it is probably only 15-20 percent. It's just not something most people care that much about right now.
LOL, no.
A recent Gallup survey showed that only 1/6 of Americans either owned, or were seriously considering buying an EV. 1/3 might consider one in the future. And 1/2 would not consider buying one at all. Recent sales figures seem to support the Gallup numbers. I suspect the Cox numbers reflect optimism that EVs will get much better and cheaper in the future. That's why people say they are not ready to buy one now.
Most EV owners are rich homeowners who also own at least one other ICE vehicle (for long trips or towing). That's why EV sales are slowing. The market is running low on rich fanboys.
Hybrids lose when the world is playing with EV rules. Manufacturing & Maintenace cost gives the lowest value, even below ICE vehicle with little or no benefits.
hybrids almost always have a longer warranty than gas vehicles
@@JD-yx7be Hybrids was a bridge, it is not or was not the destination.
@@chilzone966 that wasn't your original post, hybrids are very low maintenance. For example a gas toyota has a 60k warranty and their hybrids have a 150k warranty
@@JD-yx7be Warranty is superior to ICE. Inefficiencies make Hybrid inferior to BEV, this is why they lose.
I do believe many buyers want an EV. The FUD is the biggest challenge, which is why when a buyer knows people whom have EVs, they are more likely to get one.
We are in a transition. There is a strange notion that if everything doesn't change to EV right now, that the change will not happen.
Most changes take a decade, especially when considering the cost. I am still guessing 65% or more of vehicle buyers in the US will pick an EV in 2030.
Look back to 2014 and see where EVs were in terms of sales, performance, and options and then think about where we are today. The pace of change and improvements keep growing.
80% want an EV??? lol! What nonsense.
I don't believe 80% of car buyers want an EV. Now a PHEV or Hybrid... sure why not.
Worst of both worlds.
The day I can charge my EV, like I fill my car, is the day I'd consider an EV. I will pass 6 or 7 gas stations on the way to the WAWA which has only 6 chargers.
You only need to fast charge if you are traveling more than 200 miles. If you can charge where you live, you never have to stop anywhere.
The day I can get the oil changed in an ICE car as quickly as I can in an EV is the day I consider an ICE vehicle. ;-)
Does your car fill with gasoline at home while you sleep?
@@jamesvandamme7786 No, I stop at the station once every 10 days for 5 minutes and I'm good for another 500 miles.
Hey Toyota hire some of those amigos about to cross the border illegally
I highly doubt that 80% of buyers want an EV. Show me the questionnaire
why would you doubt it? Because it's not your belief?
@@dangrass To some degree yes. However I am in the OEM industry and I see the official sales each month.
I also see the customer research data (future EV customers) and other than early adopters MOST people have a MASSIVE fear of range limitations.
People want to see them be competitive to ICE vehicles. And today they not even close.
Too heavy, very limited range in real world distances, and they cost too much.
most surveys are junk. ask how many want a manual transmission and how many actually buys one.
it depends on the area, and the misinformed user... many in the midwest are not informed correctly in the full picture (i do and make parts for many brands including tesla)
A recent Gallup survey showed that only 1/6 of Americans either owned, or were seriously considering buying an EV. 1/3 might consider one in the future. And 1/2 would not consider buying one at all. Recent sales figures seem to support the Gallup numbers. I suspect the Cox numbers reflect optimism that EVs will get much better and cheaper in the future. That's why people say they are not ready to buy one now.
Most EV owners are rich homeowners who also own at least one other ICE vehicle (for long trips or towing). That's why EV sales are slowing. The market is running low on rich fanboys.
Funny, EVs lost market share in Q1 2024. And when those tax credits dry up, and state and federal EV mileage tax fees are fully implemented, well... lol.
not true....they are gaining market share, but less quickly than they were in the US. China market share increased to almost 50%....world's biggest car market.
@@dangrass EV market share declined from 7.6% to 7.1% in Q1 2024 in the states.
@@planetsmoothcoaster You are looking at the seasonally weakest quarter of 2024, at a time of bad macro economic conditions, and judging a larger trend by a tiny window.
Not to mention limiting it to a single market instead of looking at the larger trend:
"BEV adoption reaches ‘tipping point’ in 31 countries: Bloomberg"
"Globally, BEVs were at a 14.5 percent adoption rate in Q4, after surpassing the 5 percent tipping point about halfway through 2021."
ICE sales collapsed as well during that time.
So the larger annual trend of EV disruption is still going.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan AP headline: US first-quarter auto sales grew 5.1% despite high interest rates, but EV growth slows further
@@planetsmoothcoaster Again, narrow angle vs bigger picture:
"Global EV sales grew 25% in Q1 2024, with IEA saying 2024 global EV sales will be ~17 million or 1 in 5 cars sold.
In 2024, China's EV sales are projected to leap to ~10 million or ~45% of car sales."
vs
"ICE sales peaked in 2017 and are down 23% since then"
Legacy is spinning the negative ICE sales into positive hybrid sales by selectively moving one bucket to another to suit the PR spin.
So a few bumps here and there in either direction are minor in this big picture.
Used vehicle prices EV vs all this year smaller gap?? Well from my looking, I find MANY selling dealers LIST the purchase PRICE INCLUDING the Government $4000 credit. Even in some cases where the used EV is a 2- or 3-previous-owner used vehicle (only 1-owner EVs qualify for incentives). That’s probably some of the difference making this years selling price gap smaller vs 2023.
THE ECONOMIC IMPERATIVE. He who cant make EVs says nobody wants them. mean while they keep getting cheaper and ICE cars get more expensive. 80% of car buyers are not stupid as to which is a better experience. The price difference is just around he corner. We can all see doomsday coming for many of the manufactures. And it cant happen fast enough from my perspective. They are leaches and operate like low life.
Cox is full of BS .
From someone who is BS!
because they found that most folks want to buy an EV?
For all the money Tesla has spent on FSD they could have at least 2 new models and factories to build them. They need to spin off AI into a startup and let the car and energy parts grow.
China has the corner on EVs in the near term. If Fisker was Chinese the government via SASAC could have provided him a factory and the money to set it up. As they just did for the Xiaomi SU7. On the other hand Tesla stands to make good on AI.
Spinoff doesn’t make sense. It’s like telling Apple to spinoff iOS.
They see the vision based AI as one of their biggest future products, spinning it off could starve it of the funding it needs. They produce more cars than they can sell right now except the CT. If they get their Optimus and vision based AI working with more automation they can run their factories 24/7 with just a skeleton crew of human workers like some Chinese auto factories are doing now. It's probably one of the big reasons they canceled the Mexico plant, they just won't need the cheap labor if they can build it themselves.
@@anydaynow01 In 2017, "we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy all the way from LA to New York"! The future is bright!
@@bobbbobb4663 Johnny cabs for everybody!
Vote for the Donald
Only 1% of registered cars on the road is EVs. That is not most car buyers.
Tesla Headline News: Panasonic confirms slowdown in N.A. EV market due to the Special K King! Poverty spec 911 beats CyberBust again! Stock upgrade to $50/ share!
Just imagine how far ahead Tesla could have been if they had a focused dedicated CEO.
True fact: the 911 barely nosed by a CT towing another 911, yes, it barely beats a CT that is towing another 911minutes in the 1/4 mile. The CT is further handicapped with a speed limiter to 130 mph and wearing beefy off road tires.
@@russh6414It boggles my mind that Tesla could have owned the commercial EV space but doubled down on cars which was a given that they would lose the first mover advantage.
@@hvu6037 Adrian told us the CyberBust beat a 911! Fan boys believed him! MT debunked another lie from Gritfus Biggins!
@@hvu6037 They used the slowest version of the 911. Still impressive. If you do speed towing in the real world you'll become a roadside attraction eventually #DontTryThisAtHome
WHERE did you get THAT survey???
Nobody around me “wants” an EV!
They would get one if they were cheaper and had more range and safer batteries, and ONCE we have similar number of chargers as gas stations, etc.
(and lower car/home insurance as those raging battery fires are really bad).
NONE of that will happen in the next 7-12 years!!!
I guess you will be among the last to understand the benefits. But you will....eventually.
@@dangrass Or he just lives in New Hampshire, a state with like 2 supercharger stations.
Seems you likely live in a nursing home, or possibly a 55+ community.
@@ethanwelner1230 i checked google maps and there are dozens of fast chargers
I’m not buying this notion that 80% of people want to buy an EV. I think consumers are a lot more knowledgeable about EVs now and they know the value proposition is not there.
Once you get fully educated on EVs and the money it saves you, you will change your mind, I did, and I love watching my savings grow.
@@rogermartinez78 - Good for you! FYI…I’m fully educated on EVs and that’s how I know they’re not ready for primetime.
The value proposition is not there if you listen to the people you now pay monthly. And they just boosted the price of home solar by 50% to ensure it stays that way.
You’re right, consumers are more knowledgeable about the value proposition of EVs, and that’s why 80% want one.
@@donyakusa9187 what is not ready for prime time is Tesla FSD! My EV do for me what I need and now I am no longer bleeding money that goes to the oil sheiks in the Middle East.
People are far more likely to wan an EV, until they learn the costs and hassles.....
That 80% figure seems a bit sus, considering how many EVs are rotting on lots; manufacturers shutting down production lines on these silly vehicles which are causing them billions in losses.
I think the lesson is that governments interfering with the free market for the purpose of virtue-signalling / improper profits are always a failure.
saving our sorry asses from global warming is hardly "virtue signaling". We have a real problem and pretending that it doesn't exist is the height of irresponsibility.
@@dangrass that’s what the hysterical doomsday cult keeps shrieking. However nobody has established that tiny concentrations of gasses - that make plants grow - in the atmosphere is a problem; their terrible models consistently predict temperature rises which haven’t occurred.
And even assuming there was a problem and CO2 is causing it without any proof, nobody has established that overpriced electric cars, which are generally powered by burning natural gas or coal and use batteries containing rare earth minerals dug up by children in South America, assembled by f0rced labour in China, is any sort of solution.
So no, electric cars aren’t saving the world from anything. Dim, well-heeled people in developed countries are overpaying for silly vehicles so they can smugly imagine they’re saving the world, while increasing human misery and pollution.
@@dangrass you’re welcome to believe in this doomsday cult nonsense; and everything else the TV tells you. However trying to tell others that they’re also expected to be gullible is kind of obnoxious.
Nonsense, legacy's lazy compliance EVs through stealerships naturally struggle, but market leaders continue to lead even during bad macro economic conditions.
Here's a breakdown of the study if interested:
th-cam.com/video/9tDTtS1i0ws/w-d-xo.html
@@AllanSustainabilityFan this doesn’t really contradict my statement. The study showed that 55% of respondents “would consider” an EV, compared to the far more dramatic “80%… want an EV,” as this marketing video claims.
And there are currently lots full of electric cars without customers. And manufacturers are losing billions due to government mandates. So you haven’t shown that my claims are nonsense.
That link claims the 55% “will go up,” but that’s just a prediction, and it also might go down.
no not oil from china. if anyone knows what gutter oil is then you know what's coming. not going near anything oil from china.
What if the restaurants you eat at use the oil? Oh boy!
Hemp biofuel, and metals harvested from plants is being funded... also Mobil is making algae fuel, which is the fastest way to make a biofuel
80% want an electric milk float? They are not good for the environment, they are dangerous as the batteries, if damaged, can go into a thermal runaway causing an extremely hot, toxic, fire, that is almost impossible to extinguish. Charging takes a minimum of 30 minutes if you have a working fast charger. Batteries degrade as they age. No enthusiast would want an EV. People like this play with their cellphones and don’t want or know how to drive. For them we have taxis and buses.
The people who want an EV already have one. The rest of us are happy with real cars.
Good luck finding anyone to work on that “real car” in about 6 years…. And get used to really terrible ICE parts quality if the parts are available at all.
After a lifetime of putting up with ICE, I bought a used EV 9 years ago and still drive it daily. Even though I bought it used (I'm 2nd owner,) the traction battery warranty had me covered and I got a new pack for free in 2020. Marvelous car. I won't ever buy a gasoline vehicle again.
only because you are unwilling to make progress. BEVs are simply better "real cars".
They're all real cars. Except trucks. Those are real trucks. Motorcycles aren't real cars either.
@@nerdbikes3841 lol i drive a 30 year old truck and still get parts easily
2027: EVs are over
battery cost at pack level will be well under $100kwh before then.
Keep dreaming greybeard
@@dertythegrower : get a brain an try to analyze the market, stodbod 😂😂😂
@@dertythegrower : get a yourself brain and analyse the market
@@JD-yx7be : where will you get the metal ? THINK, derboon , THINK !
Tesla stopped developing FSD a few years ago. It's a scam.
No it isnt... dirtyTesla shows it all the time, proving you incorrect... on video
DirtyTesla proves it and has a verified channel 😆 longggg time ago
In north america instead of focusing on charging and infrastructure they focus on larger range. I think they should be focusing on charging id rather charge in under 5min like a gas vehicle than have massive batteries.
Not only that no makes a midsize truck an the few full size electric ones are 100k novelty items not affordable transportation. Maybe in a decade or two but Id just as easily be satisfied with various gasoline/ diesel synthetic alternatives. Any no emission/low emission should be focused on not just electric. Make mandates but its still a free market theres often multiple solutions to problems after all