Why NFL Teams Completely **** Up Their Drafts
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NFL Teams mess up on the NFL draft all the time. This video explains why.
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Rushing things. People are impatient they want their players to be good too soon and they've ruined a lot of players like that. All the best to you Mr 5.
I remember when teams consistantly kept rookie qbs on the bench till they were ready. Not everyone but notable guys like phillip rivers sitting 2 yesrs rodgers 3. Feels really rare to see that nowadays jordon love is the most recent one and everyone wanted him to start too soon
@@majintv24Russ started immediately, his current issue is that he’s getting old and can’t scramble as much
Not having your rookie QB look like Stroud should be normal. What happened to player development? It’s an insane amount of pressure to but on a College age kid: “save the franchise that many seasoned pro players couldn’t save”
That or they expect their one top pick player to magically fix the entire team.
Two words: Trey. Lance.
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I think the biggest factor is that bad franchises get the best picks every year.
Exactly. Look at Geno Smith in New York vs Geno Smith in Seattle
Failure to coach and build around player are a major factor in this. The Panthers expecting to build a good team around their guy after trading alot of their pic is criminal.
As a bears fan, they are really helping us build around Caleb Williams
@@aidanhendricksen4832 I just don't like the guys attitude honestly. I feel Jaden or drake would be better for them in the long run
Reminds me of the Colts, who back in the day traded their top WR (a 1st rounder the previous year) and starting LT so they could draft a perceived superstar QB (Jeff George). Who was supposed to block for the new star QB and who was supposed to catch his passes seems to have been inexcusably overlooked.
This is factual. From a lions fan who watched as the owner finally got on board and rebuilt them from her office all the way down. 3 yrs and nfc championship game they had a great chance to win on the road. Coaching and drafting matter!
It's why trading up into the top 5 for a QB, or any position for that matter, never works out. Barring the Niners those are usually bad teams that need every single asset they can get to build a competent team.
Teams would be better off building a competent roster first and than draft their QB, but the obsession with thinking any top end QB can drag shit rosters to relevance makes them being picked higher than they reasonable should.
Glad my Lions finally bucked the 3-4yr trend and hopefully continue their success. You touch on the same problems in the business world where CEO's only stick around 3-4yrs and have to show profit immediately and move on to strip mine the next organization to find gold.
One of the biggest things I think people are missing in this variable: your coach... Has to actually coach. So many professional coaches don't coach you to fit their system, they just trade or bench you. It's not even in the NFL, NBA has issues with it too😊
It is VERY hard to unteach what an adult in their 20s has learned through high school and college, and teach them something different. You hand someone a $5-10 million contract to do a job, they better know how to do it already. If not, you wasted your pick.
Top 3 rounds should only be spent on smart players who played in a similar scheme. Your first three picks are expected to be plug-and-play starters or top rotational backups for most teams. They HAVE to be ready now because the teams need them.
@@justaregulardude895THIS. This is genius frfr
Being a front office executive in the NFL is basically gambling, especially the draft. They're out there calling numbers on roulette practically, sometimes you win most times you lose. Also it's incredibly easy to buy into the hype of a top draft prospect and give up a kings ransom for a viscount.
In a way yes, but its way more complicated than roulette since there are ways to develop or destroy your pick based off of many factors, QBs for example if you throw a qb out as your starter the second you draft them then they are practically set up for failure. It's rare to have someone succeed in that scenario, they need time to get acclimated and to gain confidence.
Most of the modern owners got rich fast making their own moves. They can’t keep their hands off the teams and they have no patience.
If you made hundreds of millions by making moves you chose, then I bet most of us would feel we are smart enough to make moves in other arenas too.
Trey Lance is destined to be a forgotten bust. He didn't crash and burn on field like Zach Wilson, and the 49ers are still doing really well with Purdy
He had that one pretty alright rain game against the ….. Bears?….. iirc. Besides that, did we ever even get to see him play like ever? Excluding preseason. Not saying ‘just needs play time.’ just kinda sucks. Glad im not a 9ers fan
He's the cowboys QB3 for a reason
Dude never played
The 49ers got so lucky they didn't pay the consequences like the Bears did for such an asinine choice.
I disagree. Had Lance not being drafted, the Niners could’ve gotten more help on the oline, which for sure would’ve helped during the 2022 NFCCG and the Super Bowl later. Brock Purdy would’ve been drafted regardless because Beathard signed before the draft and the compensatory pick would’ve been there anyway
1) In a sports world that now demands immediate efficiency, core pieces are often not given a chance to develop. This is particularly true of quarterbacks, as bad franchises consistently play guys possibly before they're ready but also don't try to develop any infrastructure around them until AFTER drafting the guy. David Carr and Bryce Young are poster boys of being set up to fail.
2) Related to the first, front offices and coaches aren't given leashes to develop players by bad orgs. Players are either seen as hits or misses immediately and GM's aren't allowed to build the infrastructure if it means passing up on a top qb prospect who may or may not be ready.
3) Drafting a player to immediately be your best player at a certain portion of the team (pass catcher, pass rusher, defensive back, lineman). If a rookie carries you he carries you, but don't put him in a position where he has to do so for the team to succeed at that portion.
4) Wanting to avoid a year with no "highly visible" progress at all costs. Stalls get execs fired. It's a part of why the Steelers took Pickett (as a Steeler fan thought we should've used the pick on building blocks and gone QB the next year if one was viable (Levis at 2.1, although I also loved the Porter Jr pick).
5) This is not a fact, but some franchises just embody a certain cosmic essence of what they are. The Chargers and Falcons do Charger and Falcons things by throwing away leads and subsequently seasons. The Cowboys build strong rosters then fold in the playoffs on mostly their own errors. The Bears can't properly develop a qb and throw away the ones they kinda do. Cleveland lives in a quantum hell where no matter which choice they make it will be the wrong one. These cosmic truths will exist as long as these teams remain in their identity.
Another thing that I can't understand is why teams that draft a QB can't follow in the footsteps of the Kansas City Cheifs and the Green Bay Packers and develop their QBS
Mahomes was a bit of a risk. He had to score a ton of points in college because their D was the worst. He had a year to learn under a pretty good QB and the system was sound.
The Packers didn't draft Favre but lucked out. Rodgers wasn't drafted in the in the top 20 of his draft class. People thought they were crazy for drafting Love.
@brianmiller1077 yep, that is all true 👍 😄
Number one reason: the front office and ownership
You're a fool if you think Stroud would have had the same success on the Panthers as he did in Houston.
CJ Stroud was the better talent. The Panthers should have drafted him over Young. If the Panthers wanted a QB then taking Young over CJ was a fail. Carolina would be better set up for future success with CJ at QB. As a Texans fan when the Panthers drafted Young , I was jumping for joy expecting Houston to take Stroud. When you have the number 1 overall pick in the NFL draft you don't take a guy who has the physical tools of a high school player. CJ at 6'3 and 200 plus pounds with a great arm, pinpoint accuracy and good athleticism should have been the obvious pick. The Panthers trading away everything they did to essentially hand CJ over to Houston is an exact representation of what the Panthers have been under Dave Tepper, a giant organizational mess. Bryce may be good in the future if enough talent and competent coaching is placed around him but he is in no way the kind of player you trade up to get. The Texans went from being awful to a 10 win division champion plus a home playoff win thanks in large part to drafting Stroud and they gave up nothing to get him.
@@edwardflores7108couldn't have said it any better
You’re a fool! Don’t fuck around with my dog
You don’t know that he would or wouldn’t. No one would. Frank Reich is a good O-mind. He’s just never had any QB worth half a shit
@@maddrone7814 Nuts take! His entire offensive resume hinges on the one year of high quality Andrew Luck he had in 2018. Even "Philadelphia" Philly Rivers had a good year in 2020.
One thing to consider is that all sports (and all everything) have the same issue - Plenty of great young guys simply never perform as well in the next tier up. It's not because the NFL (or anyone else) has bad scouting, it's that you can only project from what you have seen. The competition is better at the next level, and the rules are different, and their place in the competitive order is different.
Playing for a top tier college team with a quality roster is not the same as playing for a bottom of the league NFL team. Instead of having the best skill position players, you have mediocre ones, and the opposing DBs are bigger, stronger and smarter.
Until you go there and try, no-one will really know how good you are.
Was not coming into a Five Points vid prepared for an Amazing Digital Circus drop
The US Navy has no problem using XBox controllers for its subs. Oceangate used PS controllers and it showed.
Lmao. To be fair it was a logitec controller.
That controller was always janky, no matter who made it. My point still stands. This is the same concept as "drinking the Kool-Aid" when it was Flavor Aid.
Lack of Development is a solid reason too. And both team and players
I agree that most of the blame for bad drafting should go to the GM. But there should hopefully be communication between the front office and the coaching staff on what players the team needs so the front office knows who to draft, and then the coaches should develop the players they get. I think the good teams have that synergy (chiefs, packers) and the sub-par ones don't.
I'm using Formula 1 as the example... Drivers or players are having lofty expectations placed upon them, and the moment they fail... What happens??? Everyone goes for blood against the individual, and the bust label is brought up and thrown out, faster than a mother, getting rid of her abusive baby daddy
The Bears: Because you're stupid enough to pay to move up to reach for a guy who wasn't a good choice in the first place.
Sometimes the fans really do know better than these very wealthy geniuses.
I love the fact my packers are so good at picking in the later rounds 4-7.
Drafting is an art, not a science.
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Excellent video Five 🙌
One thing about the Niners low ranking is that every single late round hit they got came after 2017 (Kittle, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Purdy, Jennings, etc.) or after John Lunch got hired. So if you were to update this list 3 years later they would’ve been a lot higher in ranking
Good video, Adam - well done!
Your content is absolutely brilliant. Keep it up. DC4L.
It's like the teams that suck, always try to get the circle to fit into their square. But no matter how hard you try, they just don't work and then they'll say it's the circles fault but in reality, their just a square.
Drafting is one thing - talen development is another. Can't help wondering, if the Panthers picked Stroud and the Texans took Young, would still Stroud have had the better season... or if the Browns went with Lamar Jackson in 2018 instead of Baker, would he be a two-time MVP (and almost two-time unanimous MVP, if one vote didn't go to Josh Allen last season...)... We'll never know of course. But it's still an interesting question nevertheless.
Some of it is teams are worried to make the bad choice and they do anyway.
They think so much about making sure they dont make the wrong move they manifest making the wrong move
I think owners sit behind the scenes and have alot of say in who GMs pick.
The sub still catchin shots. dayum son 😂
The reason the ravens are so good at drafting is that they build around players and give them chances to succeed. That’s why when a bad player leaves the ravens know they did everything to let them succeed and they usually don’t have a career after they leave them. However the reverse happens for good players. The moment a good ravens player hits FA a bunch of other teams swarm to take them. Like what happen this year. A lot of them went inside of the division because they know how these guys play because they play them twice a year. But ravens fans don’t panic because we know they will just replace them in FA or the draft.
Good to see you with a sponsor again, but the unedited version was also good in its own regards. But idk TH-cam laws n rules
Almost forgot this was a draft vid instead of a bed commercial
The bust rate is why college football rosters are so much bigger than their professional equivalent than other sports; you need 85 scholarships to find 45 capable players.
Crazy to think that most of the guys drafted will essentially be busts, and yet we’ll all be glued to our tvs come draft day.
That felt like a 10 min video that shouldve been 50 as we dive into how nepotistic, incompetently run, poorly coached organizations (jets) ruin countless prospects and demoralize countless prospects for years and years and years.
I dont get how looking at KC with Reid, one of the ebst coaches of all time, and the immediate answer was "crap shoot"
Teams drafting higher have worse teams. Teams have to be able to maximize the team around young QBs
Personally I think the draft isn't working currently and needs changing up.
I'd give each team two picks instead of one so The Bears get picks 1+2, the Commanders picks 3+4, the Patriots picks 5+6 and so on.
This also stops the first three picks from all being QBs and allows teams who are in need of a QB high but also need a big player elsewhere to you know HELP that rookie QB to not put a rookie QB in a terrible situation - Look what the Texans did trading back up for Will Anderson {defensive rookie of the year} after grabbing Stroud compared to the Panthers dropping Bryce Young into a horror show.
This also would give impetus to a team like say the Cardinals trading one of their two high picks because they'd still have the other to work with.
The chad texans winning one more game in the 2022 season. I remember everyone complaining the Texans were throwing the draft when they won and the Bears got the 1st
That Interstellar cutaway was the funniest thing I've seen today
I think with the transfer portal the draft will only get worse possibly
About 2/3 of why a pick fails has nothing to do with data you can garner from simple scouting.
I've always had a belief that a team's culture or even sometimes the culture of a city can affect how certain players perform like with johnny manziel, many raiders players who've had legal issues among others....
It's not a crap shoot in KC Adam. Big Red is one of the best talent evaluators in the history of the NFL. It's why the Eagles went to 4 straight NFC title games, and Mahomes is on a trajectory to be the greatest ever. It's all about Andy.
I mean Clyde Edwards-Helaire??
@poonking3628 that's one miss in how many drafts? And I think Pacheco more than nullified that miss.
@@poonking3628Clyde was actually Pat's choice. They have since decided to leave that stuff to Veach.
Being a jets fan is an endless cycle of pain.
The reason is because they bust a nut to film of players doing well instead of looking at how players handle the situation where things go wrong.
Unlike other sports, the NFL doesn't have a minor league system. Your players either have to fit in with the big club at some point, or they're a bust. Quite a lot of great players in other sports spent time developing their skills out of the spotlight: the NHL has the AHL and ECHL. MLB has several layers of minor leagues, and the NBA has the D-league.
That ad is like a 3rd of this video
32 teams x 53 man roster = 1696 players on rosters + practice squads, of which you get 17 players you can lock into the "futures/reserves" role that other teams can't poach from. 17x32=544 extra players.
1696+544=2240 players who are "locked into" having a job for now.
In the draft, we add no fewer than the 224 players + compensatory picks. Remember that Brock Purdy was drafted at 262, well beyond #224 at the end of the normal draft number because of such compensatory awarded picks.
Still, 2240 players divided into 224 players would take 10 years of drafts to stock up on playersif everyone was good.
An NFL career is supposed to be 3.3 years on average, with only the best players making it to their second contract.
So, not all players need to be replaced in that 10 year span, but most do and even Undrafted Free Agents matter.
This is all interesting, given the numbers that 5 points gave us.
Packers really kicking ass in round 4-7. CAVOE score of 215.5, next closest being 115!
Ravens: Best team to draft Defensive stars and Dominant O line
Chiefs: Best team to draft the fastest Wide receivers, Tight End, And Safety
Early ‘00s= Ryan Leaf 2010’s= Russell/Manziel 2020’s= Caleb Williams… poor bears is about to make one of the worst draft decisions ever
I’m always scared as a Bears fans when they draft or trade for QBs. I’m hopeful with it being a new regime but it’s still the same owners. The McCaskeys could fuck up a wet dream.
As a Hawks fan, I’m actually a bit surprised we made that drafting top tier. Yeah 2012 was a generational draft, but we had our fair share of clunkers in there too
I have the khaki version of your Sock Puppets hat.
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The 49ers really did have a lot of misses under Trent Baalke.
I still think if Zach Wilson was like a 4th round pick to like the Seahawks or Cowboys, he wouldn't be as big a bust
The bears have done everything right for once in my opinion. They have set things up perfectly for a young qb to succeed.
But they still suck !!!
@@madtownangleri mean we don't know that yet
@@skxtchybeatsCaleb Williams won’t do good in the nfl
@@dbxek that's your opinion, the season hasn't started. You never know until they play.
Mark Davis is famously NOT a meddling owner. Don't get it twisted 5points.
We didn't make it to the next video
Bro did not call Licht mediocre to good 💀 he is a top 5 GM in the league
I am 100% certain nobody knows how to draft in the NFL
I've concluded that only a handful of NFL organizations can scout, choose, and develop prospects worth a damn. Unfortunately, NFL owners are too conservative to realize they need a minor league for these young cats, or that they should be calling The Rock to have them take snaps in the UFL.
Proof of point - Kurt Warner played in NFL Europe/WLAF whatever it was called.
Drafting in the NFL is more skill than people generally want to realise. There is always a luck factor in it with injuries and not every career development arc plays out lineair and the same as other, but it's no coincidence the same teams and regimes hit on their draft picks more than others and find hidden gems in later rounds or as UDFA's even more often than these same other teams.
It's because it's tied with player development and coaching. You can have the best talent evaluation in the world and still miss out on picks, if the coaching system within the team sucks ass. Also half the job is finding the players who have the right mindset and intangibles. All these kids have talent, so it's key to find the ones who are willing to work hard for it. After all, working hard beats out talent when talent doesn't work hard. A team avoiding kids who think they can rely on their talent is already 80% of the job well done.
It's why I hate revisitionist history: Mahomes and Josh Allen are busts if they are drafted by teams like the Bears. Not every player has the same easy development path from college to pros.
Is this a sign of the plunger returning?
Scott fitterer was all in on young, are we just making things up now lol
U know Scott too?
@@packers12to80 Panthers have behind the scenes content available online -- he was clearly behind young
Quite literally everyone in the Panthers FO was all in on him.
Ah... The consequences of our actions! And it's only going to get worse from here.
Good in college ball doesn’t mean good in the NFL. College ball does not have the pressure (and on-field and off-field landmines) that come with a pro contract.
I love you Adam
Is Bryce Young really a good example? Everyone thought he was… Caleb Williams. So it’s always a risk.
I know the 49ers whiffed on Lance, but how can they be 30th when they have drafted Bosa, Aiuck, Deebo, Purdy, etc?
Hopefully Washington makes some great picks this year. 🙏
Titans have done this a lot
Carolina will suffer for years due to Tepper.
They are better with trading down and getting more players to test out
This may be me coping, but I’m of the opinion that CJ Stroud would have had just as rough a season as Bryce Young did with how godawful the O Line was last season
Lack of development, and a poor team and locker room in addition to a bad front office. Like there was a time where anybody that went to Cleveland was a bust and Arizona did too until they drafted Larry Fitzgerald. There is also pressure to start a number one overall pick right away and they don't get that development time and players still need to sit and learn the pro game. Also the owner can overvalue a player and want him badly like Tennessee's owner wanted Vince Young and drafted him instead of Matt Leinart who would have been better in Tennessee than Vince because he had his offensive coordinator from USC there in Norm Chow. Some guys are good football players but they go to the wrong franchise.
The main problem is these round one guys get too much money for not even knowing if they are goodcor not. Then thinking thay every te needs the next young stud qb stunts teams development to actually produce a winner.
biggest factor is that it’s not an easy job 💀
I thought Christian Hackenberg was the best QB in that draft
I feel so bad for bryce young. Shoulsve let Dalton start all year and have Bryce sit behind him and learn. Dudes confidence might be shattered now i hope he can still be a great player. Rookie QBs should not be thrown into dumpster fires like this. They need to have a decent situation for them and then let them start
Guys that sit succeed, generally
We can’t act like Bryce Young wasn’t the consensus 1st overall pick. As a Texans fan I’m so happy we landed at the 2nd pick. Even if the Panthers drafted CJ I still think they would’ve failed. They did not set Bryce up for success
yea i think the panthers was looking for a hero, and think bryce can do it all himself
The Bryce young slander really has to stop…he literally had no weapons and was running around for his life the whole year. Give the man some time
Poor coaching and bad fits are mainly the reason
As a panthers fan it’s a lose lose for us our original owner was pos and now our owner is a egotistical douche who’s gonna draw the panthers into the dirt proving he knows ball Carolina is doomed for the future all bc we can’t just have a normal owner
Greed ignorance carelessness
Has anyone moved up to the #1 spot for a QB rver been worth it? The capital you have to risk cant be worth it. Like the besrs moving up for trubisky when no one wanted him. The Panthers trading away the only talent to help a QB. The bears with any pick they get. Losing capital for a QB theyd have to be so god tier, its bear impossible for it to be a worthy risk
Williams will be a BUST
Oooh. Sad music.
No. Statistically you have to look at the 69% against the number of real spots available in the league. Given the number of proven players already there (75% of the league? 50%?), a certain portion of the 69% have no place to go, even if they are good.
Ballard is a top 5 GM.
I’d draft like Al Davis and The Big Tuna
Skill positions Fast
Qb 4 year grad all so has to be tall 6’2 to 6-5
LB big mean
OL bubble butt
DL big mean
Punter beat the charge
Kicker Russian
There's also fairly sophisticated intel/counter-intel operations being conducted by each team to disrupt the evaluation process of other teams. Then, plenty of NFL team's front offices engage in chronism and nepotism, so it's not like they're really sending the A-team out there to run their drafts. Just rich idiots dabbling in something they know nothing about.
I feel like Caleb Williams is going to be a bust. Hes being hyped up but i just dont think the bears are good at progression of qbs and putting him as a starter roght away i just dont think hes going to be ready for that considering hes a more emotional qb i dont think he'll be ready uet and the bears will ruin him.
That's such a pretty pup, Adam 🙂
So much better than ex wives (I know, I have 2 of them, exes and pups)
Well, you would know, WOULDN'T YOU?
..in fact most of clickbait would be experts on this