One thing I love about Seattle is we have fruit trees on our streets so a non profit will come through pick them and grove them out to low income and homeless. I think it’s a great way to use urban space effectively!
That’s so nice! We have a bunch of apple trees in my local park that grew from rail workers throwing their apple cores out 100 years ago. We have a harvest day every year where the community comes together to pick as many apples as possible and we send them to a press that turns them into apple juice which gets donated to the food bank. Apparently developers tried to build over it decades ago but the community luckily won.
The audio clip you played while talking about Park Slope made my blood boil. “Reviving a dying community”? It’s replacing the community. Shuffling out the old community, so you can populate it with rich people. The community is not the buildings; it’s the people.
Very interesting & insightful video, thank you! I live in Berlin, Germany so things are obviously a bit different here. I feel like we are living in the push and pull of the city's socialist past and capitalist present. There are quite a lot of community gardens, though waiting lists are very long. Gentrification here is intense & empty lots have been gobbled up by huge developers. In our apartment building 8 years ago the new owner ripped out the tree, bushes and vines that had been there for decades and put in shitty grass and a sand box. It's because if you have a "play area" for kids you can increase rents (we have rent controls here, kind of). Its so depressing. But I've started taking care of the courtyard, planting wild flowers, herbs and some veggies are gonna be next. I even made a tiny tiny pond. Slowly neighbors are getting curious, saying hello more and bringing little plants or pots to use. The garden has a huge potential to create more community and solidarity between people who live here. Who knows.... maybe in a few years we can all plan a rent strike over beers among the blooms ;)
This is really cool, I lived in Berlin for a short time and your comment makes me want to move back. There’s so much red tape in the way of creating beautiful community spaces like this in America where I’m from. I hope you and your neighbors are able to get organized, best of luck and solidarity ❤️
If a city can't let people use *3* acres of vacant land to reduce hunger... I don't think I can think of something easier. But that would also probably be a city that would let a few acres be used for safe homeless encampments with hygiene, healthcare, and sanitary communal kitchen infrastructure. Not a pipe dream exactly, but a lot would have to go right for it to happen. Great video, great PBR hat. Just made a salad with a bunch of herbs in the dressing from my garden. And to anyone who thinks they can't garden if they rent; just get pots that are light enough for you to move when they're full. Grow what you eat. Overwinter your peppers. Keep herbs. It makes a huge difference.
Be mindful of lead in the soil. Lead contamination is mostly found along major roadways and former industrial sites. Plants grown in contaminated soil don’t absorb lead, but gardening will put you at risk of breathing lead contaminated dust or consuming lead contaminated soil.
Thanks for making these, I am really enjoying these videos! I’m finding it hard to keep up though as you talk really fast and don’t leave enough gaps to digest the information.
In my community garden, it's not divided into individual's plots. There is a community formed plan, and we all meet up once a week to work together. The harvest is split between the people who work and extra is taken to the local food bank.
Several Extension agencies in the US have urban garden programs in their state's major cities, but even if your city doesn't have one, Extension is usually a great resource and you can usually get in contact with a horticulture educator who will help you troubleshoot your garden problems. Most major universities have soil testing programs and Extension units will usually be able to put you in contact with them.
Yimbies out here forgetting we used to community garden to survive you can 100% feed people off of community gardens but that’s also not the damn point of them it’s there to be a communal space where people have the opportunity to interact with others in a neutral way and also try their hand in gardening. They are also great for supplying fresh local low carbon produce to yourself and others!
For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much. Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then. There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
I don't think I agree with you on a few points sitting on the other end of a few years experience, but I'm incredibly happy you are making these videos. You seem like such a gentle and reasonable radical. I would have been screaming much more inflammatory things to anyone who would listen a few years ago before TH-cam was a thing. I love your garden. I have so much sage this year, and I love diet coke, but that doesn't give me any ideas as to what to do with it.
I’m so happy I checked back for your gardening video! I followed you on Twitter and told you I was excited about this video then I deleted my Twitter, haha
Nice video mate, I am starting a dissertation on community gardening/Urban food mapping in Edinburgh, Scotland. We have 50+ year long waiting list for an allotment, but a UK wide movement is growing legs, advocating for a 'right to grow' policy. ('Incredible Edible' if you are interested)... Intruiging to hear a viewpoint on this subject across the pond. All the best.
I like community gardens and I think there should be more of them in cities and towns. But I am against the utter delusion that some people have who think you can feed an entire city using just community gardens. For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much. Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then. There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
@@ajiththomas2465 I would agree to an extent in most cases. Because cities are huge and have a ton of people. local farming can support a population density of about 8,000 or so people per square mile at max. from the math I have done. Which is significantly higher than most suburbs, But is nowhere near what is typical in downtown areas or places like New York city and such. And that assumes land is being used fairly efficiently and such. With current tech is it probably the theoretical maximum size of a "village" in the sense of a community where they can produce all their food in an area close enough they could walk to the fields in theory. since 1/2 a mile to maybe 1 mile is about the maximum distance for a comfortable walk. Since past that it is going to be more than 30 minutes if you don't bike or drive. In practice you couldn't actually know that many people so it wouldn't be a "village" in the social sense some people talk about and would probably be more like a small town. I actually recently befriended a person from India who grew up in a "village" of about 6,000 people. and all the farmers there pretty much could walk to the fields, and generally did. (And they used motorbikes or bicycles for bringing goods into other towns when they actually had to and such.) But you can feed 100s of people an acre even if you use an efficient but not hyper-efficient method of producing food. And if you turn to stuff like potatoes, sweet potatoes, or vertical farming, you could get more. Now some things take a lot of land, like fruit trees. Although, small numbers of them planted as wind breaks and shade providers for smaller plants that like shade can make a positive impact. Orchards are pretty inefficient usages of land. trees are pretty and provide shade so they tend to make nice community spaces. Most Suburbs have about 2,000 to 4,000 people per mile population density. From the math I have done, the typical suburb could be self sufficient foodwise and make a decent surplus in theory. Now, in practice it's hard to say. Now, there are many forms of farming that produce a lot less per acre but also take less work per amount of food produced. Of course people farming as a hobby are generally not going to produce very well anyways. And being a good enough farmer/gardener to meet all your food needs as a hobby is hard. But there are somethings, particularly vegetable gardening where it is simply more efficient to grow it closer to where it is eaten. Small scale potato farming is extremely land efficient, but isn't cost efficient. I have grown the majority of calories I needed in a year from sweet potatoes and it isn't too hard and doesn't take too much land, totally feasible in a suburb. However, it is not at all cost effective, even if I counted my own labor as minimum wage level value they were more expensive than just buying them from the grocery. Now, if I was growing even more potatoes it wouldn't cost that much more labor. So short term potatoes and sweet potatoes are great. Long term trying to get most of your calories in a small urban personal gardens when implemented on a wide scale is part of why the Irish potato famine happened. Because potatoes was the most efficient at producing calories for land used. The lords ordered the workers to grow potatoes to fill the vast majority of the calories. And made all the other food too expensive by exporting it. Then when disease hit them, despite the country producing plenty of food they couldn't afford to eat it. I am not really a prepper or anything, but if the apocalypse were to happen the first thing I would try to grow is potatoes and sweet potatoes because it would be the most practical way to keep me fed, and make myself useful by being able to feed other people. For random individuals trying to feed yourself is hard. Farming is a job. For a small community, not anywhere near as hard. Vegetables aren't that space efficient, but they are still pretty space efficient. In comparison to grains or potatoes they aren't quite as good calories per acre. But they are good for nutrition per acre, and for saving money. Rabbits and chickens are also fairly space and time efficient but don't fit with the image of what people want in a "community garden" as much of course. It's more "suburban homestead." But yeah we do need some mass produced food. I do think we could sustain cities without them, but like practically life wouldn't be much better in that case. It would be better in some ways, but I don't thing a lot of people would like the extra labor involved even if things were space efficient to that extent. I do think having truly local production is feasible, but it still makes sense for it be scaled up quite a bit, even if the scale is different than trying to make a giant farm and shipping the stuff it makes all over the country. Although, economically, once land gets expensive enough it just doesn't make sense to have farming there economically even if it is feasible production wise for cost reasons. I personally think the cross overpoint is probably somewhere between 4-10k people worth of density within a larger city. It you average the size of a city limits to the population most cities are lower than that across the whole thing. Although, the core of the city usually is drastically more dense anyways. In practice I think it wouldn't be a good thing for community gardens to be producing pretty much all the food. It might be better than we have now, but it would cause a lot of issues. A practical example of that is a lot of the cities in cuba, a lot of it happened because of necessity, because oil shortages and other factors. Because they couldn't run the tractors very much they had to switch to more space efficient production measures to produce the same kind of food. I just realized you are kind of copy-pasting your blurb, It's an interesting argument though. Anyways 3 meals a day is more custom than anything else. It breaks down to calories and nutrition. I personally usually only eat 2 meals a day. Still it doesn't really effect the core aspect of your argument. It depends a lot how big the garden is and how well setup it is for how much it grows.
I love your channel and everything you talk about! I am a current Landscape Architecture & Urban Design student who is interested in radical design ideas. Is there any way you could speak on design or interview people who are in that realm of the profession?
So often I get frustrated with other leftists, what with the dogmatism, and the pompous larping, and the relying on theory I consider fundamentally flawed, and the being allergic to most forms of political efficacy. It gets to a point sometimes where I wonder If I'm really just a liberal. Then I see what some people think about who don't fit neatly into the hegemony, people just trying to live their lives and make things better, and then I'm reminded that no I am in fact very little like those people. Jesus those tweets were grim
For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much. Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then. There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
@@radicalplanning I'm sorry, are you a movie projector, because you're projecting yourself all over me? How about instead of resorting to petty, pathetic snide insults, you can try to actually engage with the ideas and arguments presented? By all means, present an argument as to why you think a city can be fed through community gardens alone.
One thing I love about Seattle is we have fruit trees on our streets so a non profit will come through pick them and grove them out to low income and homeless. I think it’s a great way to use urban space effectively!
The gleaning projects in Western Washington are great!
That’s so nice! We have a bunch of apple trees in my local park that grew from rail workers throwing their apple cores out 100 years ago. We have a harvest day every year where the community comes together to pick as many apples as possible and we send them to a press that turns them into apple juice which gets donated to the food bank. Apparently developers tried to build over it decades ago but the community luckily won.
The audio clip you played while talking about Park Slope made my blood boil. “Reviving a dying community”? It’s replacing the community. Shuffling out the old community, so you can populate it with rich people. The community is not the buildings; it’s the people.
Very interesting & insightful video, thank you! I live in Berlin, Germany so things are obviously a bit different here. I feel like we are living in the push and pull of the city's socialist past and capitalist present. There are quite a lot of community gardens, though waiting lists are very long. Gentrification here is intense & empty lots have been gobbled up by huge developers.
In our apartment building 8 years ago the new owner ripped out the tree, bushes and vines that had been there for decades and put in shitty grass and a sand box. It's because if you have a "play area" for kids you can increase rents (we have rent controls here, kind of). Its so depressing. But I've started taking care of the courtyard, planting wild flowers, herbs and some veggies are gonna be next. I even made a tiny tiny pond. Slowly neighbors are getting curious, saying hello more and bringing little plants or pots to use. The garden has a huge potential to create more community and solidarity between people who live here. Who knows.... maybe in a few years we can all plan a rent strike over beers among the blooms ;)
i love this, thank you for sharing!
Courtyards are awesome! All we have where I live are individual backyards fenced off from each other :(
This is really cool, I lived in Berlin for a short time and your comment makes me want to move back. There’s so much red tape in the way of creating beautiful community spaces like this in America where I’m from. I hope you and your neighbors are able to get organized, best of luck and solidarity ❤️
Great video! I’ll have to share it with the radical gardening community in Bristol.
If a city can't let people use *3* acres of vacant land to reduce hunger... I don't think I can think of something easier. But that would also probably be a city that would let a few acres be used for safe homeless encampments with hygiene, healthcare, and sanitary communal kitchen infrastructure. Not a pipe dream exactly, but a lot would have to go right for it to happen. Great video, great PBR hat. Just made a salad with a bunch of herbs in the dressing from my garden. And to anyone who thinks they can't garden if they rent; just get pots that are light enough for you to move when they're full. Grow what you eat. Overwinter your peppers. Keep herbs. It makes a huge difference.
Excellent video! This video is super useful in my deep dive into the structural barriers to establishing food sovereignty in New Zealand.
"This is sage, the diet coke of herbs"
I literally shouted duck you
Beware the privately-owned "community" garden.
How does this video only have 5k views?! So high quality and careful.
coordinate this with community land trusts, and you got a path to decentralized community politics and democracy
Be mindful of lead in the soil. Lead contamination is mostly found along major roadways and former industrial sites. Plants grown in contaminated soil don’t absorb lead, but gardening will put you at risk of breathing lead contaminated dust or consuming lead contaminated soil.
Thanks for making these, I am really enjoying these videos! I’m finding it hard to keep up though as you talk really fast and don’t leave enough gaps to digest the information.
In my community garden, it's not divided into individual's plots. There is a community formed plan, and we all meet up once a week to work together. The harvest is split between the people who work and extra is taken to the local food bank.
i love that so much
All excellent points. As I promote and educate on community gardens, I'll keep all this in mind as I put my time an energy into gardens.
I do not understand much but i feel like this vedeo is very important.
Also, subscribed!
Several Extension agencies in the US have urban garden programs in their state's major cities, but even if your city doesn't have one, Extension is usually a great resource and you can usually get in contact with a horticulture educator who will help you troubleshoot your garden problems. Most major universities have soil testing programs and Extension units will usually be able to put you in contact with them.
This is such a well done video. Thank you for creating this. Super informative.
Yimbies out here forgetting we used to community garden to survive you can 100% feed people off of community gardens but that’s also not the damn point of them it’s there to be a communal space where people have the opportunity to interact with others in a neutral way and also try their hand in gardening. They are also great for supplying fresh local low carbon produce to yourself and others!
For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much.
Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then.
There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
I don't think I agree with you on a few points sitting on the other end of a few years experience, but I'm incredibly happy you are making these videos. You seem like such a gentle and reasonable radical. I would have been screaming much more inflammatory things to anyone who would listen a few years ago before TH-cam was a thing. I love your garden. I have so much sage this year, and I love diet coke, but that doesn't give me any ideas as to what to do with it.
Cook with chicken, potatoes, mushrooms
Great video, thank you!
I’m so happy I checked back for your gardening video! I followed you on Twitter and told you I was excited about this video then I deleted my Twitter, haha
Thanks for your inspiring paean to community gardens. I'm bookmarking this!
Nice video mate, I am starting a dissertation on community gardening/Urban food mapping in Edinburgh, Scotland. We have 50+ year long waiting list for an allotment, but a UK wide movement is growing legs, advocating for a 'right to grow' policy. ('Incredible Edible' if you are interested)... Intruiging to hear a viewpoint on this subject across the pond. All the best.
Wow, i didn't know there were so many community garden haters. That is just sad. I didn't realize YIMBYS were anti-gardening.
I like community gardens and I think there should be more of them in cities and towns.
But I am against the utter delusion that some people have who think you can feed an entire city using just community gardens.
For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much.
Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then.
There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
@@ajiththomas2465 I would agree to an extent in most cases. Because cities are huge and have a ton of people.
local farming can support a population density of about 8,000 or so people per square mile at max. from the math I have done. Which is significantly higher than most suburbs, But is nowhere near what is typical in downtown areas or places like New York city and such.
And that assumes land is being used fairly efficiently and such. With current tech is it probably the theoretical maximum size of a "village" in the sense of a community where they can produce all their food in an area close enough they could walk to the fields in theory. since 1/2 a mile to maybe 1 mile is about the maximum distance for a comfortable walk. Since past that it is going to be more than 30 minutes if you don't bike or drive. In practice you couldn't actually know that many people so it wouldn't be a "village" in the social sense some people talk about and would probably be more like a small town.
I actually recently befriended a person from India who grew up in a "village" of about 6,000 people. and all the farmers there pretty much could walk to the fields, and generally did.
(And they used motorbikes or bicycles for bringing goods into other towns when they actually had to and such.)
But you can feed 100s of people an acre even if you use an efficient but not hyper-efficient method of producing food. And if you turn to stuff like potatoes, sweet potatoes, or vertical farming, you could get more. Now some things take a lot of land, like fruit trees. Although, small numbers of them planted as wind breaks and shade providers for smaller plants that like shade can make a positive impact. Orchards are pretty inefficient usages of land. trees are pretty and provide shade so they tend to make nice community spaces.
Most Suburbs have about 2,000 to 4,000 people per mile population density. From the math I have done, the typical suburb could be self sufficient foodwise and make a decent surplus in theory. Now, in practice it's hard to say.
Now, there are many forms of farming that produce a lot less per acre but also take less work per amount of food produced.
Of course people farming as a hobby are generally not going to produce very well anyways. And being a good enough farmer/gardener to meet all your food needs as a hobby is hard.
But there are somethings, particularly vegetable gardening where it is simply more efficient to grow it closer to where it is eaten.
Small scale potato farming is extremely land efficient, but isn't cost efficient.
I have grown the majority of calories I needed in a year from sweet potatoes and it isn't too hard and doesn't take too much land, totally feasible in a suburb.
However, it is not at all cost effective, even if I counted my own labor as minimum wage level value they were more expensive than just buying them from the grocery.
Now, if I was growing even more potatoes it wouldn't cost that much more labor.
So short term potatoes and sweet potatoes are great. Long term trying to get most of your calories in a small urban personal gardens when implemented on a wide scale is part of why the Irish potato famine happened. Because potatoes was the most efficient at producing calories for land used. The lords ordered the workers to grow potatoes to fill the vast majority of the calories. And made all the other food too expensive by exporting it. Then when disease hit them, despite the country producing plenty of food they couldn't afford to eat it.
I am not really a prepper or anything, but if the apocalypse were to happen the first thing I would try to grow is potatoes and sweet potatoes because it would be the most practical way to keep me fed, and make myself useful by being able to feed other people.
For random individuals trying to feed yourself is hard. Farming is a job.
For a small community, not anywhere near as hard.
Vegetables aren't that space efficient, but they are still pretty space efficient. In comparison to grains or potatoes they aren't quite as good calories per acre.
But they are good for nutrition per acre, and for saving money.
Rabbits and chickens are also fairly space and time efficient but don't fit with the image of what people want in a "community garden" as much of course. It's more "suburban homestead."
But yeah we do need some mass produced food. I do think we could sustain cities without them, but like practically life wouldn't be much better in that case. It would be better in some ways, but I don't thing a lot of people would like the extra labor involved even if things were space efficient to that extent.
I do think having truly local production is feasible, but it still makes sense for it be scaled up quite a bit, even if the scale is different than trying to make a giant farm and shipping the stuff it makes all over the country.
Although, economically, once land gets expensive enough it just doesn't make sense to have farming there economically even if it is feasible production wise for cost reasons.
I personally think the cross overpoint is probably somewhere between 4-10k people worth of density within a larger city.
It you average the size of a city limits to the population most cities are lower than that across the whole thing. Although, the core of the city usually is drastically more dense anyways.
In practice I think it wouldn't be a good thing for community gardens to be producing pretty much all the food. It might be better than we have now, but it would cause a lot of issues. A practical example of that is a lot of the cities in cuba, a lot of it happened because of necessity, because oil shortages and other factors. Because they couldn't run the tractors very much they had to switch to more space efficient production measures to produce the same kind of food.
I just realized you are kind of copy-pasting your blurb, It's an interesting argument though.
Anyways 3 meals a day is more custom than anything else. It breaks down to calories and nutrition.
I personally usually only eat 2 meals a day. Still it doesn't really effect the core aspect of your argument. It depends a lot how big the garden is and how well setup it is for how much it grows.
I love your channel and everything you talk about! I am a current Landscape Architecture & Urban Design student who is interested in radical design ideas. Is there any way you could speak on design or interview people who are in that realm of the profession?
Fantastic video. Are there any other leftist housing/planning channels you recommend?
wake up bros radical urbanism dropped a new video
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@@radicalplanninglook at pfp, its a “you know who else” joke
I like your vids but i dont know if its my pc or your mic, your voice is too low so i cannot listen to it while working lol
Before colonialism we had enclosure, the theft of the commons. It is the heart of capitalism.
So often I get frustrated with other leftists, what with the dogmatism, and the pompous larping, and the relying on theory I consider fundamentally flawed, and the being allergic to most forms of political efficacy. It gets to a point sometimes where I wonder If I'm really just a liberal.
Then I see what some people think about who don't fit neatly into the hegemony, people just trying to live their lives and make things better, and then I'm reminded that no I am in fact very little like those people. Jesus those tweets were grim
For feeding a city? No, community gardens cannot produce enough food to feed an entire city, even a city with a population of 100K. Time, physics, and logistics shoots down this foolish, fantastical notion with no basis in reality. It's a simple math problem. If 1 person needs to eat 3 meals in a day, that means 21 meals in a week and about 1,095 meals in a year. Given how long it takes to grow food in a garden, how many times can that 1 person pick food from the garden before the garden runs out? Now scale that to to a population of 100K, 500 K, 1 million and beyond. The idea that you can feed even a single city with community gardens, even if you use vertical farming, is not sustainable or feasible or practical at all. The amount of land needed in a city, along with logistics and efficiency would be too much.
Break yourself from this anprim pastoralist perception of the past. In the past, people lived in villages where feeding yourself based on a community garden was barely feasible even back then.
There's a reason why countries have specialized agricultural areas for mass producing food, because it's the only way to feed millions in cities and towns. If people just say that they want community gardens because they're nice and they beautify their surroundings and provides a communal space, then that would be fine. But miss me with that "we can feed ourselves with community gardens" LARPy BS. It's nonsense, the very same type of nonsense spouted by people who have absolutely no idea how much work and resources goes into growing food and have never managed a personal garden, much less a community garden in their lives.
to say you have a peppercorn-sized brain would be generous- maybe even an insult to peppercorns. hope you find what you’re looking for out there.
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I'm sorry, are you a movie projector, because you're projecting yourself all over me?
How about instead of resorting to petty, pathetic snide insults, you can try to actually engage with the ideas and arguments presented? By all means, present an argument as to why you think a city can be fed through community gardens alone.