15-Minute Cities for Leftists
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- 15-minute cities could be the solution to climate change and income inequality. Or they could just make everything worse. What we do know is that they probably aren't dystopian walled-cities. Let's explore what everyone is saying about 15-minute cities and start to work out how we could approach these concepts from the left.
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The Pope doesn't live in a 15 minutes city.
He lives in a 15 minutes state.
City state
I lived in a 15 city. Haarlem, The Netherlands. I was born and now live again in a very not 15 minute city in Canada. Both places are very expensive. Not needing a car at all was awesome.
I know about Haarlem mainly because of Corrie ten Boom and her stories about the Dutch resistance. Her descriptions of pre-1945 Haarlem with them biking everywhere was very pleasing to think of.
What about not being able to afford a car and not even having a choice because regulations are so severe?
@@americandirt7834 A good example of that is Denmark. Taxes on cars are gigantic. Almost all my friends in Denmark do not own cars. The difference is that alternatives are available. More choice is what we need in North America.
@@gdemorest7942 Sounds great. But it also sounds like the Danes are forced into other alternatives because cars are made unnaturally expensive. For a country as rich as Denmark, a car shouldn't be out of reach of most households. And, even if the public transit system is terrific, it can never replicate the almost unlimited possibilities of a privately owned car.
I'd say we have far more choice than the Danes. That was also my experience having visited Copenhagen. Loved the biking culture. But you can't just randomly bike 25 miles away on a whim. And Denmark doesn't have the greatest weather in the world.
@@americandirt7834 You are correct. No one in Denmark or Holland would think about riding 25 miles on a regular everyday bicycle. I did it once while living in Holland and the Dutch people I knew thought I was weird. Like you said, it is all about alternatives. I loved having a car in Holland and so do my Danish friends in Denmark, we just don't have to drive it that much.
The cons listed for walking and cycling are attributes of the car dependent environment. It's not hard to imagine a world with less driving. It's hard to for people to sacrifice convenience and pleasure.
So fun part, when things are closer they're more convenient to get to, car or no car. You can also replace the cars with slow and small light electric vehicles if you really want to keep microcars.
Commuting in cars isn't pleasant. That's carbrain talking.
The cons is check points where you will not be able to leave your zone because it will be deemed wasteful. It's Adolf Hitler gone nutty with the UN
@Chaz Domingo I commute by bike. That's pleasurable.
But that's the thing, they'd only be swapping one kind of convenience for another, and we'd all be better off as a result...
One of the hottest takes I have is that we should have “more” cities rather than larger ones. Just a bunch of small to medium cities or towns connected by public transit.
Agree, we need to disperse the stress of economic burden to push growth away from small number but big cities that will cause the rural be emptied.
I thought the whole point is to prevent sprawl?
@@williemherbert1456 I love rural areas. Why do you want them to be emptied? People should have the right to live off the grid.
Yeah, I see what you mean. I've lived in several large expensive cities. Idon't particularly like big cities but I do so because the areas around them are not conducive to my work and life. The suburbs are a non-starter for me. They are either so anti-social and inhumanly designed that I wouldn't live there even for free, or they're quaint and cute, and filled with racists, fascists, and the "apolitical." It would be much better for everyone if these places didn't exist, and instead the areas outside places like New York or LA were human-scale, organized around transit, cycling, and mobility accessibility as a rule. Rather than LA country sprawling over thousands of square miles as it does today, the same number of people could live in a decentralized grid of mid-sized cities that allow 15-minute living at each node in the grid and easy access to every other node without significant hierarchy. Then most of the county could be re-naturalized and de-sprawled. When everywhere is a good place to live and nowhere is uniquely privileged housing and infrastructural pressure is significantly reduced. We would still need massive investments in social housing, transit, etc., and the abolition of landlords though.
Welcome to Germany 😂
If you live in a place that is car dependent, there's a cost involved. My car is totally paid off, gets good mileage, is low maintenance, and it still costs me about $4000 a year to own. That's a 10% pay cut I take every year just for living in a car dependent city. And I make what I consider a decent income. If you make minimum wage, you'd lose over a quarter of your income just getting to work and back. It's ridiculous.
where on earth do you live that a car cost 4K to have? pack up that car and MOVE!
@@oggyreidmore Yup. $4000 is normal. My insurance was nearly a grand and I was paying $30/week in gas, that's roughly $2500 right there.
With car prices going up and car repairs becoming more expensive as well, insurance will keep creeping up no matter what you drive.
That’s crazy. In Germany you could buy a all-year-round train ticket for that price.
I work construction i need my car for work, i cant carry my tools on a train or a bus what if i need to run to the parts store to get materials to finish the job, it dosent benefit everyone
@@dennisdoran3947 Who asked?
After growing up in Florida for 25 years and finally living in a "15 minute city" (by bike) with a Walk Score of 90+, you can't convince me to live in a car-dependent neighborhood again. I've tried to convince carbrain friends to just bike to the grocery store and can't even get them to do that. Americans are almost too far gone for changing these habits unless we have a legit gas shortage.
Are you married? How many kids? How far away do you live from work, school, friends, and family?
@@NA-en7kz I live on my own, but it should not really change many things. You just need to prepare more. For a family, I could just find a bigger apartment or house rental slightly farther away in my city. Cargo bikes can cover the burden of getting kids or large amounts of groceries around town. My city is small enough to bike across in 20 minutes and have a minimal bus service if needed too.
@@GirtonOramsay It does change things though.
I like the idea. I like it a lot actually. But I've also seen how it is used to gentrify a quarter of the entire city space, in the name of pursuing the 15-minute city plan.
I also see how they actively discourage personal property ownership. "Just let us take care of that for you"
And it has a lot of perks. I just don't see those perks outweighing the cons.
@@NA-en7kz I am married and have one child. I do not own a car. I walk to work and live 3 miles away from work. I do have the opportunity to work from home 3 days a week. Yes, it takes more planning to do things but the fact I can do this in Charlotte which doesn't score so well in walkability should show that much of the problem is inherent with the populations in said cities.
@@BaystheBeast It really is a mentality thing. Despite having more free time than ever before, we continue to find ways to remain rushed.
I think reducing the perceived "need" to have a car to get anything done would do wonders to slow things down for us, make life more enjoyable, and help open us to new solutions or views on existing conditions.
That said, I don't think that the 15-minute city is the solution. I think it would make things worse, primarily our mental health.
I think our work-life balance, as a whole, would take a hit. Working less than 15 minutes away from home makes it easy to be called in for anything, it becomes more likely that you would bring work home, either a portion of your literal workload or the mentality of work.
You have to incentivise other means of transportation rather than banning cars and oil. Because that's simply never going to fly with the majority of the American people.
I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. They are planning a 15-minute city here. There are problems with this here:
- neighborhood bus stops have been eliminated in many areas… making it almost impossible to get around. Seniors and disabled people are now stuck in their homes, without a way to get around.
- there are only a few hospitals in the city so getting to a hospital can cost you your life in an emergency when ambulances are not available and you cannot get a taxi for whatever reason (cost/availability/no phone service etc)
- transit safety is a huge issue with the frequent attacks on innocent passengers and bystanders with inadequate policing available
- we have winter conditions here for more than half a year so walking and riding a bike (even for athletic people) is nearly impossible, and sidewalks are not navigable by disabled people.
- most jobs are usually the furthest from your home as they may be the only jobs available
- rents are often higher than mortgages in some areas so sharing rental spaces of convenience for travel and close convenience for work/shopping is not an option
- many businesses we relied on for our livelihood and purchased goods from closed down during Covid and have never returned
- our mayor and city council are trying to discourage car traffic but they get $1200/$600+ respectively each for their own transportation costs monthly
- schools are not centralized here. Elementary schools, high schools, colleges and universities are in all areas of the city so getting a family of kids to school on time cannot be realistically undertaken, while still getting to work on time
- light rail transit takes decades to plan and build. Houses have to be torn down in order to build it. The previous mayor told me it would take 50 years until I could get to work this way. I would be dead before it was ever realized.
So…
I don’t think it will easily work here. I guess we will see what happens now as it’s being forced on this awkward city.
Hey fellow Edmontonian here. Edmonton suffers from a weird complex of feast and famine as well as mayors who have some really misguided ideas.
When oil price is high then the city is flushed with money and then there's money for projects...which they then do things like put a stupid metal baseball
bat statue on 97th street. Why? Because the mayor at that time was an ex-football player and was trying to help the impoverished 118 Avenue area.
Before our current mayor, the previous mayor imposed bike lanes in downtown and Whyte Avenue by greatly increasing the number of one-way streets and
single-lane streets, which just made things inconvenient for auto travellers (we should have just legalized biking on the sidewalk for safety instead). Compare
that to how Hong Kong dealt with the newer eastern districts like LOHAS Park, where guarded bike/skate/scooter paths next to walking paths
are placed by streets which gives adequate space to all citizens.
I live in Airdrie and work in Calgary as most cities around Calgary commute to Calgary. This will not work lol
Your prime minister is a wokesta simpleton.
You know... watching this made me realize that in the current day europe does social experimentation while the US does economic experimentation. It used to be that you went to the us to avoid social stigmas and have greater economic potential. Now you leave the US to avoid social stigmas and go to the US if you have a new idea for a scam or exploitative business.
Just a fact that europe is full a 15 minute cities, becouse they old and was builded when car not exist, especially in italy a lot of streets very narrow, in some places impossible to use car. So its not experiment, its real norm
If you want to be both socially stigmatized AND fleeced by charlatans, move literally anywhere in the U.S. South hahah. Whole damn region is run by con artists and grifters, in both the public and private sectors.
@@alister_kroulenkoWe very much had car centric cities 50 years ago thank you very much. We simply changed that because it was killing people, and we didn't like people being killed for the sake of some stupid travel mode. So we started fixing our problems without making cars less usable. Which was how we ended up with safe bike / walking distance oriented cities.
@@hungrymusicwolf50 years ago but not 500 years ago. Many cities have city centers that were built up around streets that have been in the same place (and, notably, width) for centuries.
@@tamararoberson8060Most of our cities are not old city centers from 500 years ago. We had the same car centric problem until not long ago, but we went at it and solved it. That's how you see the much more livable cities today.
It's not a holdover from 500 years ago. Barely a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of our country is that old and beautiful as it may be it doesn't hold the many a millions of people our country has. Cities designed in modern day do.
Ah yes, flying cars to people who are already abysmally shit at driving on a two-dimensional plane.
Every car crash becomes it's own little 9/11, lmao
There'd be a few thousand per day
We as Americans have become spoiled in car based society, so much so that we forget that there have been entire great civilizations that lived in small condensed (walk-able) regions. We act like a 15 minute city is strange, but in actuality its our sprawled our communities that are not the norm. It is NOT normal for us to live so far apart from each other.
It's a huge factor in the rise of depression among the youth. They no longer have autonomy. They're not safe riding their bikes to school, or over to a friends house. It's either too dangerous, too far, or both...its usually both.
@@kayleelockheart8208 How are they not safe?
@🃏 [JWO] Lonlon XxstealsyohamzxX cars. Cars have made our cities incredibly unsafe. Especially now that the trucks have gotten bigger, and bigger, and bigger.
I like living around as few people as possible on my own land. I love the wide open space and vast fields.
@@SalsaSippin_ my uncle got hit by any elder driver while being on a bike lanes, and I could imagine the chaos the car operator without any driving license or test would do...
8:15 that’s such a middle school idea. I talked bout this with my friends when we were like 13 and we came to the conclusion that if people flying around was viable everyone would have a helicopter already instead of a car. We also wondered what would happen if you crashed in the sky would the cars just fall on people below. We though yes. They are Litteraly appealing to people who don’t think
New York City is pretty good in transportation. And its pretty much 30 minute city, for most of the time.
As long as you don't intend to own your place
@@kozmaz87 You mean it's too expensive to buy place? That's true.
For a lot of the city, yes, but you do also have to worry about being mowed down by terrible drivers or deal with excruciating transit times in certain neighborhoods.
Getting stabbed in the subway and imprisoned for defending yourself. No thanks.
There is no way to make a "15-minute" city with transportation. To realize this, you need to live within 3 minutes (200m/500ft) from a station/bus stop, your destination need to be within 3 minutes, waiting time within 3 minutes (3-5 minute frequency), and 6 minutes transit time (at 30mph -> 3miles/5km).
'All commutes are bastards' is a great aside.
Some people creating fifteen minute cities have got it all wrong. They are closing roads walling off entrances and exits and then they are keeping track of how many times a car comes in or leaves and planing to charging a fee if they cross too often or drive to far. If you are one of those people who has a real productive job and it's three miles away from your house and you drive back and forth everyday it mayl cost you alot, Because you are not a good citizen.
Flying car? Wait we have that, it is called a Helicopter. People do not realize that cars don't fly for a reason. And Helicopters are expensive and need a train pilot for a reason. There is a city full of Helicopters, it is called São Paulo in Brazil. Dumb ideia. Waste of money.
Far right kook here. Many of us grew up in what could be considered 15 minute cities.
Biggest problem is that we have sold out the working class by exporting good paying manufacturing jobs to the far east. Bring back manufacturing, but build quality product without the planned obsolescence and the waste that results from it. Go back to smaller scale production that can be done in a decentralized manner to reduce both shipping of finished goods and employee commute time.
Soo true
This is what the far left aims for; why do you call yourself a far right kook?
@kylesmith2145 sarcasm....my beliefs haven't changed much, but ten years ago, I was a centrist.
However, I must add that the political party that I support is considered "far right".
I live in England.. For most people few amenities are within 15 minutes walk. But for most people CCTV Surveillance Controlled Parking Zones are all within a few metres walk.... Oxford Council IS requiring Permission Slips to drive on certain roads more than 100-tmes per-year. This is NOT conspiracy.
That's super messed up!
As an American, I read that plan and theres no way I would ever want to live like that. I would love to live in a 15 minute city/town, but only so long as its free of control and to correct our normal life habits with force, not with a slight tweaking and introduction of convenience.
And to clarify, I'm not at all on the right. I'm an old school liberal, But one that reads news from all over the world. And yes, many of the right cry about is pure conspiracies, but theres some that are not. Especially when you read other documents and even published thoughts on said "Conspiracies". Or even the updates on how the Councils and local Gov officials react when their constituents vote down the crazy power grabs.
@@joshuakhaos4451 I'm a small 'c' Conservative, but because Britain has swung so far to the right, most folk consider my politics radically left wing. The Police in UK arrested so-called 'Anti- monarch protesters' before the Coronation had even gone ahead! Yet we're told monarch is here to defend our freedoms! You really couldn't make this shit up! The UK isn't becoming an Orwellian Police state, it is already an Orwellian Police state.
Given how Oxford has centuries old buildings listed as UNESCO World Heritage Sites, and how heavy traffic congestion affects the stability of heritage sites and structures, no wonder.
@Ian Homer Pura but they way they are doing it is oppressive, they latch onto a crisis and use it to increase their power and wealth. If you think I am wrong reference the covid response, it wasn't about health at all it was about making money and constructing a turn key authoritarian system.
One of the big flaws with public transit, is the severe lack of "crosstown" service. Transit systems are almost always designed around getting people to-and-from the downtown area. Only half of the people are commuting/traveling to downtown. Yet, transit systems/companies perpetually consider crosstown lines to be money pits. This leaves cars as the only practical means of crosstown travel. This has been one of the biggest complaints about public transit for literally 100 years.
Bikes?
You should see how Japan builds public transport. Could get around the majority of the country on several really efficient train lines. Would be nice to have that in the US but our major cities have been built so far apart.
@@blazesardonyx7557 I'd be happy if I could get around my city faster, I could care less about being able to get around the country super fast. Also the us is big, japan is tiny.
@@MegaLokopo JapAN Is TiNy!!!11!
japan is the size of america's east coast.
that is NOT tiny!
@@blazesardonyx7557 Bullet Trains travel at 200KM/h or over on average depending on terrain and model of the train. Cars can barely keep an average speed of 100KM/h so using trains to get to far distances is actually a sound idea and makes more sense than a car unless you're planning on taking some scenic route and don't really care how fast you arive at your final destination.
Problem is with them rehashing the 15 minute idea with travel restrictions.
All is good in the urban planning sense but it turns sour once it is about mobility restrictions.
Yeah, congestion pricing is something separate to 15 minute cities all together and shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph
@@illiiilli24601 the London ULEZ is even worse, you get screwed over even driving during non congestion times.
The Chinese odd/even/municipality plate restrictions are even worse. You can’t use your car in some major cities during specific days/times.
@@liucyrus22 Agreed. I like the idea of 15 minute cities, but I'm generally against stuff like ULEZ (which aim to solve something different to congestion pricing, which is tailpipe emissions). Too much stick and not enough carrot.
I won't start on the odd even one, that is beyond regarded
PTB priorities are demonstrated by the creation of turn-back lanes, checkpoint lighting, surveillance cameras and fiscal penalties you can be sure it is about containment and not healthy living. Bicycle riding in clean air and picnics under the trees are an illusion fostered by the same people who brought you armed riot police harassing old ladies in the park, head-slamming others and firing rubber bullets at lock-down protesters. When the farmer brings in the sheep and clangs the gate shut, that's it, they aren't getting out.
Those odd-even schemes and number coding only made traffic congestion worse. Here in the Philippines, we started to implement it in Metro Manila starting in the 1990s, and people simply bought another car to circumvent the rule, resulting to even more cars. And now Metro Manila loses up to $2-B a year due to traffic congestion.
I would love American cities to adopt more of these ideas from Europe. I, as well as many other disabled Americans, cannot drive. It takes me 2 to 2 1/2 hours to reach the larger downtown in my area (Seattle)-and that’s just one way. Which is exhausting.
Why don't you just live in the downtown area?
@@onetwothreeabc because when it costs you 5000 dollars or more to rent an apartment or a house why would you live there? Not only that why would I want to live around a bunch of crackhead homeless people?
@@onetwothreeabc
Rents are insane, and affordable places tend to be firetraps
@@danbeaulieu2130 So you made the choice to live in the suburb and own a car.
@@onetwothreeabc
No. I accepted the fact that I had to live in an apartment complex from from anything. And I have never owned a car.
I live south of downtown Minneapolis - 39 blocks. I was able to ride a bicycle to work in 15-20 minutes. I can eat, drink, buy food, hardware, big box, auto stores, books are within 10 minutes via bicycle.
Crazy thing is, all of those things are true for me here in Orange County, California. The problem is there are no bike lanes on most streets, and those that do have a painted line with 3 ft of space that drivers constantly ignore when making right turns. Crossing an artery means crossing AT LEAST 7 lanes of traffic, none of which are looking out for you and half of which may be turning in your direction. It's too stressful.
Walmart is turning Bentonville and NWA into a version of a 15 minute city. It is already expensive and even though they are building a lot of bike paths, they are doing next to nothing about vehicle congestion. I have never lived somewhere with such hostile drivers. My prediction is people will still walk up to the top of the parking garage to drive 5 minutes and spend half an hour finding a parking space. And that’s people who live in the city. For the same cost of living, you can have a McMansion outside of town. So traffic will always be a problem since they aren’t actually prioritizing walkability. Yes a sidewalk is nice but when it’s next to a road with people driving 60mph, it feels incredibly unsafe.
Pretty sure we disagree on many points, but I'm quite impressed and appreciative of the level of thought, care, and evidentiary support put into your video. I learned something new, and it's inspiring to see solutions enumerated. Very constructive. Thank you!
You like Slave towns 🙈
I, for one, cannot wait to move to the desert city of Telosa. Where there's just unlimited recycled water and I will have my Chevrolet Skeye (pronounced 'sky'), the newest vertical take off and landing vehicle for families. Which will be used to sit in traffic as me and my Nuclear Family excitedly wait for our turn to get into Disney Telosa.
the worst part is that I know the government will have bailed out General Motors at least 3 more times before they get flying cars to production
A 15 minutes city it is not a new concept at all. Most of us from the previous generation use to live in places like that.
I grew up in neighbourhoods where everything we needed was at a walking distance, in fact we had corner stores in virtually every block and all of them were making a profit, along with shops of any kind ,even garages.
Today we have places like these with a little twist. These neighbourhoods don't have corner stores but plenty of fancy bakeries and cafes that are too expensive for the common folk, let alone the multiple boutiques that are closing every few months because they don't make a decent profit.
Instead of shops where one could find affordable clothing, they offer these boutiques that sell brand name stuff for outrageous prices.
Those places are for the fortunate ones who can work at home and make a nice income. The rest of us have to live in huge buildings, on top of each other, where the basic services suck most of the time.
What it is not contemplated in these places is that a lot of people can not work from home simply because of the nature of their occupations: trades people, nurses, factory workers and so on.
The only solution is to have a top of the line public transportation seven days a week that will turn all of our big cities into 15 minutes neighbourhoods, provided that these places are equipped with the services needed (corner stores, shops, etc).
Other than that anything else will be a privileged area for some and nothing more.
Greetings from Toronto.
"What it is not contemplated in these places is that a lot of people can not work from home simply because of the nature of their occupations: trades people, nurses, factory workers and so on."
Not sure why their workplaces cant be within 15 minuets of their homes.
A 15 minute city doesn't mean everyone works from home
Like yeah, those people were contemplated when talking about a 15 minute city. I don't know why you think they weren't.
The last part of the video briefly talked about de-growth, and why its necessary
@@skyisreallyhigh3333 Imagine being so stupid to think that is wise to reduce your working possibilities to a few miles. Some people own a house and will not move just to be 15 min away from work. THINK!
@@fabioxperuggia I find that the people who say "THINK" at the end of their tirade are almost always people who never actually THINK
Why wouldn't you want work to be no more than 15 minutes away? Why would your job opportunities be reduced with 15 minute cities? Do you not understand what building dense means?
@@skyisreallyhigh3333 If you pack people in that tightly you run into a hole host of other problems. many of them psychological, No thank you to that. Can you imagine having to form a queue to catch the lift to the bottom or top?
The job I was in until I retired was not supported by cities of a million.
@@petefluffy7420 I never specified how dense we need, so I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion.
I also never stated we need skyscrapers for density. Paris proves we don't with their density and only a single skyscraper and a handful of tall buildings.
"Can you imagine having to form a queue to catch the lift to the bottom or top?"
Can you imagine having to wait in traffic?
Literally the same thing
15 minute cities are insane.
Why?
I live in Alabama most everything is within a 5 mile radius Walmart is 2.7 miles Winn Dixie 1.7 miles Burger King 1.6 miles sports plex next door state park and a big lake 7.5 mile from home really no need to own a car I do not
It's insane because it's working towards eliminating distance travel by living local, with vehicql going to batteries only that have an extremely limited distance of travel with an extremely long recharge time. Thus reducing how and where people can travel in essence keeping people confined to a small area to be confined, controlled and easily spied on. In which diminishes freedom's to live and travel as people wish. In theory it's nice, and eventhough it's restrictive and manipulative agents freedom's to live happily as people wish.
It's convenient, although is how and where you are being restricted to travel by other than what you want in your life, is it really convenient if at sometime you want to travel by means other than what is provided by you, and is traveling farther being determined by someone other than you okay with you? And if it is, why is it that you want someone to have that much controll over your life when it's not in line with living the way that you would want?
@@amandaraymond9488 You are aware that long-distance train travel always remains an option, yeah? No need to travel everywhere by car...
Really glad to have stumbled on your channel. Just thought I'd mention my experience moving from a sprawling and heavily car dependent city in the U.S. South to the Porto area in Portugal a couple of months ago. It's radically life affirming to live where everything you need is within a 15-minute walk or at the very least easily and affordably accessible via robust public transit. Your list of the effects on health of long commutes was SO painfully accurate in my experience. I have perhaps added a decade or more to my lifespan by simply moving to Porto and not needing to own or operate a car. My health and sense of well-being have already radically transformed in a short period of time.
Limited space give rise to limited consciousness.
It is a prison nothing else.
At first 15 min city., later on 7min city., after that - 1000 steps city and after 500 steps - cage. and it is their final goal for you -" you will have nothing and you will be happy". If you have limited consciousnees you are unable to see beyond your nose. And you incapable to realize in what kind shit you've fallen into.
Wake up idiots, it's a time
They will tell you anything to secure their power.
"A capital billionaire in his infinite benevolence"...those are rarer than winged unicorns on Saturn.
i have been waiting for a channel like this. instantly subscribed
I lived in Chicago where I WFH & my grocer was within 15 minutes. My bars were a bit farther away but it’s also where my barber, doctor & dentist were. ‘30’ minute city was more east I had and I refused to buy a car.
Do ppl on the actual left usually refer to themselves as leftists? I actually expected this to be Sarcastic because of the term. I feel like ppl on the left tend to use the term progressive for themselves. But I’m out of the loop so idk?
Warsaw ghetto
I dont think we need to redo our American cities all we need to do is to add good shaded sidewalks. Look around some streets dont even have a sidewalk and the side walk needs to be within a ratio of traffic and speed. Examplr 55 mph street cannot have a 3ft sidewalk
During COVID lots of local business tried to set up, it was shut down by government.
Looking at european towns: their probably all 15 min cities. I live in one of the biggest cities in Switzerland (yes, they are small compared to London, Paris, Berlin etc.) but i can do groceries within 15min walking. This includes a proper bakery and a farm shop with vegetables and meat directly from the farmer. If i need to go somewhere else, i reach the train station within 10mins by bike or walk 500m to the bus station and have a bus every 6min (12min on Sunday and during the night). From the train station i have direct trains to nearly every bigger city in Switzerland.
What we need to work on though, is the amount of proper, safe, bicycle paths. We have alot of the painted bicycle paths which just are not fun to ride and not safe.
Haven't laughed & learned at the same time in a while. Really enjoying your videos and will be sharing with others!
Look forwarding to more laughs & learns(?)
He lacks stem skills really nothing to learn here really has no knowledge of what he speaks of.
idve said 'learnings'
15 min city's have high crime rates
I have no problem with 15 minute cities, so long as they are not implemented by force. And so far, ALL of the plans for 15 minute city plans are being, or are planned to be implemented by force. They forcibly reduce travel, and choices for the people.
this.
Wichita has empty central areas that would be perfect for this.
Because cars reduce choices for everyone else, by removing space for public transit, space for cyclists and most importantly, space for pedestrians. You can't have both, because cars ruin everything by their inherent inefficiency.
What?! I live in London UK which has always been a 15 minute city in its 2000 year history, except for outlying areas built in the 20th century. The Mayor is implementing measures to make the city less hostile to pedestrians and cyclists, and really everybody because the primary goal is to reduce pollution, in particular ULEZ which adds to our existing congestion charge scheme. So you get charged more if you drive into central London with a high emission vehicle. However there is a scrappage scheme that pays people for their crap vehicles so they can buy something low emission, and the Mayor has also added bus ring routes that avoid central London, and increased bus frequency. If you haven’t been to London we have fantastic public transit with frequent buses, the Overground, the Underground, National Rail, trams, and the DLR (light rail). There’s also a city sponsored e-bike system (called Boris bikes locally because Boris Johnson, a Tory even, implemented the scheme when he was Mayor), and private bike hire schemes, plus bike super highways and bike lanes (though not through Kensington and Chelsea because toffs 🙄). It’s not perfect but there are tons of alternatives to cars. It’s hardly ‘by force’ here. Like you can still drive your gas guzzler if you want to, just that there will be consequences if you are dumb enough to drive through central London (and like, why would you want to? There’s barely any parking and never has been).
@@KatharineOsborne I was in London last July for a couple of days. Bus system took forever, and was expensive and confusing. What we are hearing is that in some neighborhoods, 15 minute city policies are enforced. There are cameras that record when you enter and leave, and you need permission to do either. Yes, London has statistically been a 15 minute city voluntarily. My only problem is when it is enforced. Oh, and London is one of the most dystopian surveillance states in the world. Almost as bad a Beijing. Cameras everywhere with facial recognition software. And Orwell we as a Brit.
When I was stationed in Korea. I loved how everything was so close to my apartment and in walking distance. If I wanted to go to a bigger store or the movies it was just a short train ride away as all the towns were connected by rail
Have you been in the prison? There's also everything so close. you possible would love it too.
@@scottc5674 your looney 🤪
15 minute hexagons! 😅
nah.
15-minute cities do exist in most countries, they are limited of size, and I live in one, it has a population of 35k people. But you do need to understand one thing about urban planning. Industrial zones will have to be split from trading and housing zones. You can't simply have people living up to workshops with angle grinders and medical production plants that have toxic gasses escaping of something goes wrong.
However if you want to scale that up, you do need central lines of transportation, and you do need to give an option for point to point transportation, that is an alternative to a car. A bike can be a good alternative. While you have main lines of transportations there are still places where an individual and not a group needs to reach. However bikes are not that popular in the US, and it seems like it isn't easy to change that (e-bikes could be a solution).
As cities become bigger you do get the issue of industrial zones getting bigger and a separate part of town due to the building and zoning requirements. We are talking about production companies, not service companies like an IT company, as they aren't a potential safety or noise hazard if placed in a merchant or mixed district. You could make cities that didn't have production jobs, or specialized health care facilities, but then you are very much limiting the type of people able to live there.
15-minute cities simply aren't that plausible on a scale of people over 500k. The whole idea of cities is to minimize energy expenditure for the individual in the first place, the whole issue of them becoming a mess over time is due to changing requirements and needs. While 15-minutes city in theory could work out, there will undeniable be some change down the road and as a result a rise in entropy (chaos/disorder) due these changes and compromises need to be taken. While the conspiracy theorists may be spinning wild stories, the point is that in Europe, most cities will have your daily needs including your doctor within 15 minutes of travel (on bike).
People do locally optimize their living conditions such that they can spend as little time as possible on transportation as possible, so that they can use that time on something else like their family, friends and hobbies. The issue is mainly work, as workforces have been more and more specialized over time, and jobs do tend to change a lot more now than let's say 30 or 50 years ago, where somebody could work in the same company for their whole life.
On the topic of millionaire cities or company cities. It has been done before, and the only example of a company city still existing in a western country is Reedy Creek in Florida. Yes, it is a shitshow, no arguing about that. A billionaire doing it with his company will likely be done with company scrip and serious underpay, because it will make it harder for people to live. Same as most other failed company city concepts. USSR did also have project cities, but they weren't that good either. Don't get my started on the shit the nobility pulled of in my country back in the 18th and 19th century.
btw. Flying cars are helicopters.
The 23 special wards have 9 million people or so, and are pretty close to being 15 minute cities by bike. It applies for daily and weekly necessities at least.
The reason people used to stay in the same job for decades is because they received more equitable pay. It has nothing to do with "increasing specialization." The longer you stay in a job the more specialized your skillset becomes...
As for the rest... it's hard to comprehend your point. You say you live in a 15minute city... but they can't work because?? Industrial sectors need to be separate? Ever heard of public transport? I work in heavy industry and guess how far my commute is by car? less than 15 minutes. It would be even quicker with a high frequency rail system that is specifically designed to meet shift needs.
@@chazdomingo475 I am saying it is not easily scalable. The reason for it working here is that the traffic isn't dense and a relatively large part of people do come from out of town.
Industrialization and urbanization does breed specialization, which is also a factor you will have to consider, and if you have people working in different sectors it will always be a compromise between the distances to each workplace, or that people will be assigned to the same sector. Sometimes people do in real life choose to live near one of their parents because of sickness or just because they can take care of the children, when they are working.
15-minute cities aren't impossible, but there are many choices that easily could lead to unhappiness and top-level control (dictatorship of the town, by either corporate or political means). This is really not a good selling point. People don't want corporations or the public to dictate their private decision like that. Buying and owning property is one of the biggest private decision you can do, and people have fought for that right all the way back before civilization.
I think that is a lot more reasonable and grounded take than the OG TH-cam video had, so much eco facism in his video.
Better urban planning is important. But 15 minute city's would not be a magic bullet infact for a good 1/3 of people thay would not be fit for purpose. A lot of the principles are great and can be used.
Living and working in the Netherlands, I am already enjoying a fifteen-minute city life.
How long does it take to cross the entirety of the country?
@@veganconservative1109 From North to South, the longest way, about three hours and twenty minutes by car. By bike, perhaps two days with stops, but you wouldn't do that unless you find it fun. Public transport in NL is awesome.
Degrowth:
The idea that your life should be more about spending time with the people you love rather than breaking your back just so you can buy another toy
Example: the walkable city with affordable housing, and a 4 day work week with under 8 hours a day. Plenty of time to get groceries on your way back from work everyday and the rest of the week is time with friends.
I'd rather spend time with my friends.
Wouldn't it be grand to have the choice rather than to have it forced on you by the Uber-Wealthy? First is cajoling. Then come the social credits. Then the bullying. But I guess it will be okay as long as we don't realize before we die that we spent our last years in a gilded cage. (Well, hopefully gilded. Would truly suck if the cage became neglected by the cage owners because why wast your family entertainment time making sure the peons are doing okay?)
You can see the version of gilded cages likely to be the future of many in the cities where tent encampments line the streets. Perhaps the more upscale will live in shanty towns like the ones in South Africa. Communism always makes the standard of living of the masses worse. So why do people keep dreaming of some utopia that doesn't exist? @@veganconservative1109
You do you
You do what you like and model your life to suit you. And I'll model mine to suit me. I don't need any organisation that I didn't vote for, telling me what my life should be like or what I ought to want from it.
@@gemlouise1260 we don't have poop flowing through the streets like they did in ancient times because that's illegal now.
You can't just make life worse for everyone else and say that because you used to be able to do it, but you should be able to do it in the future.
A woman in Great Britain had massive fines because she forgot to get her permission from the WEF controllers when her young child was in the hospital. She dare to visit him daily.
15 minute prison zones.
Hope it's sarcasm
@@vitalyl1327 maybe so, but that's the type of 15 min city the elites are really pushing and not the utopic european city center planning with bycicles lanes and no cars.
@@vitalyl1327No it's not.
They will enslave us with hand chip digital ID. You won't be free anywhere anymore.
Good Point * We should not allow Billionaires to create 15 minute cities
What if an entire town mysteriously burnt down and a billionaire volunteered to rebuild a 15 min city in its place? Like Maui. It would be awesome. Like a reservation. Native Americans love reservations. I already lived on a Rez. No thank you. I'm free now, not going back.
It's a great idea, but what happens where I live at least is the places with density and convenience all end up being popular and property prices sky rocket, and ordinary people like ... most of us ... are stuck in the suburbs with minimal convenience. The city, then seeing all the tax revenue come from the already rich people who moved where conveniences are, build even more conveniences for them. So basically only rich people can take advantage of the frequent and cheap public transport, parks and close shops. For this to work, there would definitely need to be investment in other areas as well, else there will be a lot of resistance.
The concept of having amenities nearby is good and should be implemented a lot more. In the Netherlands and many european cities that's already the case. Having work nearby sounds great on paper but lots and lots of people don't work in the same city they live in due to cost and usually both partners are working so its either close to his work or close to her work, not both. I also like leaving my city to visit friends and family go to a forest, a beach or travel to the countryside where there is no public transport and is way too far to ride my bike so i won't be giving up my car (which is an EV by the way, i do care about the environment) anytime soon. I will never want to live in a city that won't allow cars. And that's coming from an avid cyclist. If i'm only allowed out of the city a couple of times a year i will use that opportunity only once: To leave the country and go live somewhere else where i'm not a prisoner.
Exactly this; I actually don't like driving. It's stressful to me. Yet the only thing more stressful is having my livelihood in somebody else's hands. If the bus is late, if the bus driver has some kind of episode, I don't care what, it doesn't matter what, it's outside of my control and as such not a risk factor I can account for; yet a risk factor which can have drastic implications for my continued livelihood.
The issue isn't that people don't want cities where you can walk places, it's not that people don't want cities you can cycle places, it's that people also want cities that you can drive places. The solution is more options, not more control.
@@grimjoker5572 the way I see it is, and I believe the way this man describes it as, is that the public transit needs to be excellent. Most U.S. public transit systems are not reliable, frequent, or have very good coverage. An excellent transit system will have very few interruptions. As a driver you will often experience very frequent interruptions because of traffic. Sure as a driver whose commute requires me to drive, I am technically controlling my own vehicle, but I am still at the whim of traffic a force outside of myself. I don't see it as much different than taking transit where someone else is driving you since behind the wheel or not I'm relying on external factors and entities. At least if I had an excellent transit system I would know that these disruptions would be very infrequent, whereas I can reliably predict traffic on a large portion of my commutes.
I should add though that I don't think cars should be removed from cities, just prioritized very low compared to other modes of transit
@@Alessandro-vl8bu
Why not prioritize them equally? This is the problem. Every policy comes with the caveat of trying to "fix" the "car issue."
I like the idea of people living and purchasing where they like while enterprising business people note it and start conveniences in those areas. Or vice-a-versa. Once the government plans anything those things go to hades in a handbasket before long.
@@grimjoker5572 The real problem that should be fixed is corporations insisting on putting their businesses in the middle of cities. It is their choices that cause unaffordable living conditions. If they spread out people could live near where they work instead of commuting.
When I go shopping I come home with like 50 to 100 pounds of stuff. How are you going to do that without a car? And not all of us want to live in a big city. Cities are nasty, dirty crowded and unsafe
Really enjoyed this video. I'm glad I found your channel. I also really like the cowboy art behind you.
No way you could ever turn my area into a walkable area without holding everyone at gun point and demolishing everything. We will never see any changes. Dont know why we bother
Well now that's a pretty bad mindset, there is nothing more human than trying to achieve the impossible.
Weird, because we had to bulldoze cities to build highways. We made that change, wo weird you claim we cant again
Its one thing to have 15 min cities where it is able to sustain such a thing. Problem is a lot of cities are not zoned, much less built to sustain it. Here in the SW usually housing goes up in a place first, then years later stores and things catch up. Usually only grocery and a few resturants, but the zoning is not set up for other things. Like industry. Worse is the few times an industry will set up in the edge with nothing around it, and 5yrs later everything else moved in and shut it down because they patitioned and won in getting industry zoning revoked.
As I recall, history (that thing we need to learn lest we have to repeat it) taught that Emperor Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Rome was burning because the floor plan was not to his personal taste and he wanted an excuse to redecorate. Dead and maimed citizens be damned. But that's leadership for you. Never know how bad of a rotten apple you are going to get.
What if your children live 25 min away?
Interesting, that this concept of 15-minute-cities exist. I lived in a big city like Berlin that is definetely not a 15-minute-city, except for the ones who can afford this. Since I switched to a small city I feel, what I chan reach everything in walking distance and it´s very convenient.
Why I wasted my life in Berlin?
Thank to this Documentary I know that there is a name for it: 15-Minute-City. It exists already since 500 Years ago. They are small cities in Europe.
And the Chinese have dense High-Rises-Residentials around a train station which makes everything very convenient and reachable and Urban Gardening on the roofs.
Berlin is a pretty walkable city though
@@diegorivera9197 Probably you live more in the center. There everything is pretty walkable ... if you can afford it.
It's relatively easy to come up with 15 minute cities when most of the jobs are office work. But what about factory jobs, or farming communities? In the case of the former, are we going to build more "company towns?" In the case of the latter, how are we going to attract the necessary services to make 15 minute farm towns?
bro if the offices stay empty we can plant weed in the empty buildings.
Besides, it's not about doing everything in a "15 minute" city plan, I don't want to be 15 minut3s away from a powerplant. Of course you can use your judgement to see where we can implement walkability based on common sense.
Obviously cars still play a role in rural communities where distances are far for things like work, which is often in a different nearby city from where you live.
Yeah, I think that's one of the few realistic issues in 15min urban planning but I guess the solution is "as always" communication over marginalization. Make sure there's a efficient way of public transportation and probably more descentralized (but interconected) villages
Reducing vehicle use is not the sole domain of 'saving the planet" It is also, and possibly more importantly, needed to reduce congestion and gridlock, caused solely because too many vehicles are trying to occupy the same area at the same time.
The alternative is to demolish buildings and homes to build 10 lane roads everywhere. That is not possible, so reducing the number of vehicles on our roads is vital to avoid total gridlock.
I live in Colombia, I’m American, and while its commonly known as a 15min city in first world countries, it is in fact just the best way to build a city when vehicle ownership is low.
The important key behind making these functional is the same as what naturally happens in most South American cities, no franchises or minimal franchises. Grocery stores, convenience stores, bakeries, mechanics, etc HAVE to be a locally owned. Otherwise you get a pricing out of locals.
I’ll also add as someone unvaccinated that the vaccination rates in these cities is likely to be incredibly high, which is mostly enforced by law enforcement.
I want a convivial city society as well. Great video and ‘de-growth’ makes so much sense. (But so unlikely to become popular) I hope people stay to the end to hear the leftist view. Maybe expand in another video
I'm curious what he plans to do with all of the workers who work in tourism industries. If you have only been to cities where you have exactly the same restaurants that you do in your home town travel is not important, but for the rest of us, traveling is an important part of our lives. Work for us is not the most important part of our lives.
Tourism in general in this sort of plan would be something I'd like to have seen covered more. He goes into what the right fears will happen, but doesn't address much of it in the leftist portion, except to say "we need to de-brand cities." Which I totally agree with. But I also feel like, as acceptable as a 15 minute city is, it would become VERY familiar VERY quick, and many people become bored with the familiar.
@@davidlathrop9360 What is the problem with being proud of the city you are in? You can't have enough variety in just one city. It would get so borring so quickly. It seems like this youtuber simply doesn't travel.
Communism has been tried since more than a hundred years ago. Keep trying, and I really hope one day it would work.
@@MegaLokopo You're still going to be able to travel and tourism will still exist.
It just won't be commercialized.
This video should be discussed in planning school!
The 24/7 surveillance does bother me a bit...
You get that in most cities already
Whoa. There are still people who think we're not being watched as we are now?
The jobs are far away so now you need a car. Now everyone has a car so you can make them further. And now youre competing with every candidate in the city instead of your local area. Good job american urbanists.
I don't think 15 minute cities can exist without housing being too expensive for most people living there. Business around increase cost of housing but also limit the supply of houses.
The 'offer' made of 15 minute cities is not an offer though. It is a forced situation. Wer will not get all we need within 15 minutes, we will be denied what we want, or barriers will be artificially made so great. I say this living in a very walkable city in Italy, so I appreciate exactly the deal. Pure tyranny by 'the best brains' corrupted by power.
I am surprised to see americans trying to invent things that already exist in Europe. Look at the Nederlands for transit solutions, to Vienna for housing solutions... it's like... the answers are there... they just don't wanna do it...
because any time they try to bring the answers here they always want to bring the authoritarianism too.
If they proposes changes to zoning laws, tax incentives, or development of infrastructure for public transit *WITHOUT* also trying to "solve" the "issue" of people driving "too much" people would be all for it. Yet we Americans have this nasty habit where we tend to favor liberty. I know, it's weird.
@@grimjoker5572 well... as I said... inventing the wheel. The Nederlands first started solving the problem of people driving too much... cause child death... but well, lets always have the cake and eat it too.
@@PabloGambaccini
_"The Nederlands first started solving the problem of people driving too much"_
This isn't a "problem."
People "doing something too much" isn't a matter for the government to fix. They are not our parents, our behavior is not for them to correct. If they want to offer better alternatives, alright.
This is why people don't like the ideologies you propose.
_"cause child death"_
Hyperbole.
_"but well, lets always have the cake and eat it too."_
Yeah, like Japan.
@@PabloGambaccini
_"never felt less free than in America"_
That's a you problem.
@@grimjoker5572 well... the goverment is the one paying for the roads. If we are gonna go anarco capitalist with it... let the drivers pay the full amount the roads for their cars cost for the state. But well saying liberty and then taxing everybody for an unefficient elitist transit solution is contradictory... as having your cake and eating it. There is no liberty when there is monopoly. And yes... I know,...why should I talk about child death when America the number one country for school shootings? 😂 but well... common sense, I don't know 😂
This channel is fantastic, can’t wait to see future videos. It combines my two passions, city planning and socialism. Solidarity to you, keep up the great work!
If they allowed us to keep working from home, it would not be a problem. Also, what do they intend to do with people who live in the country?
I'm pretty sure the real solution is still trains everywhere.
Japan was able to figure this one out with their amazing Shinkansen lines and even their inner-city railways. Tokyo, despite being the largest megalopolis in the world, feels so interconnected thanks to their minute-by-minute, convenient railways.
@@Cryogenx37 Yep, and there are plenty of small cities around the world with light rail transit system much better than cities that are significantly bigger in the us. A medium or large city size is not a requirement for decent or good transit systems.
15 minute city in a nutshell
I just want to be able to get to work without needing to own an expensive car and without the fear of dying to do so
one thing not being advertised in these left wing videos, these things are borders and administrative taxation just to start, you can argue there isn't gonna be borders you dont see them now do you, well to start the borders are already there an enforced by fines already, when there is enough of them them then your gonna start seeing the borders an seeing them enforced more an more, an this is just a start. it's government control made to feel like it's not control because a small minority of people with eyes wide shut don't mind being herded into they're "safe" area. Canada is a democratic country and the left do not get to dictate the right or in my case the middle on how we must live, the 15-minute city is a bad idea an to get a good look at it then remember the lockdowns, when there are enough of them its gonna be a lot like the lockdowns. where will people be working and i'm not speaking about minimum wage jobs at a coffee shop, how will businesses survive with the mass reduction in customers, i camp and fish so when these 15 minute utopia's wont be able to offer that within my allottable perimeter then what next pitch a tent in the city park? i'm sure there are some real good benefits with thee utopias and they serve great purpose for some citizens of the country it just doesn't fit the needs of the many, all i know is if i want to go to lake Erie for some good recreation or fresh perch then i can count without question, with these 15 minute utopia prison cities it will not be allowable, right now there are too many senseless laws, rules and legislation to count that only serve the purpose of control and income, these 15 minute prisons will only add to more, people are not looking at the full picture right now because they have been indoctrinated with blindfolds on, changes need to be made to preserve the planet i agree, but this idea is not gonna change a thing, it's just another crazy social experiment with the backing of climate crazies and there conspiracy theories and another attempt of control by the government.
The first problem the US needs to solve is its roughly $900 billion per year military spending habit. Then maybe it can start thinking about projects like this.
I really don't understand how this is even such a radical idea. Take away ridiculous zoning regulations and 15 minute cities will organically form. I live in one that incidentally grew into such during my own adolescence. When you take away zoning restrictions and avoid tight geographical boundaries for defining urban areas, you'll get urban spreading with somewhat equitable resource allocation and avoid overcrowded urban centers, that exhaust resources, cause problems that demand more expenditure, put additional pressure on resources from beyond periphery which creates actual gentrification of resources where you can see groundwater of rural areas getting exploited for use in cities.
There are already many existing cities that developed as 15 minute cities without even trying to be one, though imperfect. The skeptics should study them, understand what works and lobby for what they themselves understand to work and not work and don't let the 'influencer mouth pieces' feed you what is and isn't workable. 'Doing your own research' is not listening to influencers or get info from only where they tell you. Any 'research' should and must be done with no influencing, aka pre-existing confirmation bias.
Uh oh, you are attacking zoning laws…
I'm so glade that i found your channel, as I like knowing of people who are delusional.
so glade
only 2k subs? - that's a crime!!! I'm glad the algotythm recommended your work to me - good job :D
If you want a 15 min city, remove zoning restrictions. If a area would support a market, someone will build it.
Wef. You will own nothing and be happy.
imo any new urban utopia needs at least %50 minimum green space with farming/food production being a priority
Yup but you will always have leftist pigs who destroy it
it's about making cities like microprocessors. it is as perfect as it is impossible
To be fair outside of work, considering amazon is a thing. I am in a maybe 10 second city.
this is a good video
i am really loving this leftist progressive take on urban planning. it is such an invisible field in peoples minds, yet is so obviously a tool for either good or ill once you realize that someone is making decisions about what your environment looks like and how to get around in it
The US were ruled by ultra right wing conservatives for two centuries, and look what they have become... If any country the US controls your environment, where you have to live, where you have to shop, where you have to work, what to wear and what you may take off.
Indoctrinating its people that they are the most free, while being one of the most un-free.
Ya I’m personally REALLY loving the crime!
Ill. How many times have government types done good? When they did do good, how long before their descendants took power and it was ill?
This generation are so dumb, sheep to the SLAUGHTER, they trust government like PHARMACEUTICAL. We give this power to tyrants it's a slavery SYSTEM. Not for ENVIRONMENT but control. Which is how all leaders did in the older world. Do we not learn from our mistakes. No
Today, housing is either rental (owned by corporate interested) or personal (significant wealth needed). If it were cooperative, like an electric co-op provider, after a certain number of years you are an owner, land, utilities (hvac) and amenities being shared reduces costs for residents and provides long term financial gain.
Have you heard of hoa's they are basically a cooperative, they even have voting.
Rent reduction? Nah fuck that let's abolish landlords. You own the house you live in, full stop.
That all sounds great, BUT I'm a repair guy, that repairs homes, apartments for a living, I work for 4 property management companies, with locations all over the city!!!
I need a truck to deliver my material needed and remove the waste, once the repairs are done, sometimes the materials needed are miles away, from the property and I can't take a bundle of drywall on a bus or train!!!
So then what?.. I should just give up on my trade, that creates employment for 6 other employees, what about their right to employment, or should we all go on limited government handouts, until the government besides, to pull the plug on those handouts???
I'm all about saving the WORLD, from pollution, but not at the cost of freedom, employment and your right to prosper!!!
I don't care what city you live in, things will always breaking down, no matter where you live and I picked this type of trade knowing that my job would always be needed!!!
Now the government wants to take that right of choosing my employment, away from me and the 6 employees relying on my trade???
Maybe we should look at another government plan, the one that makes sense for all the people and all types of employment, because I work outside the box and will not change, for the lazy people that want to live there!!!
I will never live in high density housing. I love my yard and home. People aren't going to give that up.
Obviously most people don’t want to live in high density, but living in a city shouldn’t guarantee that. plenty of places have gentle density, separate homes, but they’re in such high demand it’s crazy expensive in the US
The people who want density are always asking for top down, centralized government edicts. And they always want to change neighborhoods they don't even live in.
Ok, then you can live in a large house outside of the 15 minute city
@@tophatpumpkin as long as the choice remains, that's fine.
I would ride my bike every day if I wasn't scared of getting hit.
Sorry but demanding free reliable rapid public transit is as pie in the sky as expecting flying cars.
As someone from the right. 15 minute cities are best approached for new developments on reclaimed brownfield land where people moving into them choose to live that lifestyle and therefore won't object to not being able to use their car the way they would like. If 15 minute cities are popular, and people love not having to use their car to buy groceries, or go to work. Then more of them will be built, and people will move out of conventional neighbourhoods.
15 minute cities require careful planning from the ground up to ensure that everyone has equal opportunities to go to work, visit friends, socialise, be entertained and all the other things humans enjoy doing. What absolutely shouldn't happen is politicians taking the 15 minute concept, taking the polies that a 15 minute city promotes (car free neighbourhoods, reduced car parking, pedestrian roads, taxes on car ownership etc) and apply them to conventional neighbourhoods with widespread public opposition, lack of infrastructure and no outside investment.
15 minute cities need to be dense, its easy to walk 15 minutes in the suburb and be on the same street you live on, having only gone past houses. They need to be connected to other 15 minute "zones" (I resent calling them cities because they are more neighbourhoods than cities) via reliable, safe and frequent mass transit routes. They require a mix of uses including office, retail, leisure, industrial, education and open spaces for relaxation and play.
The largest opposition to 15 minute cities from the right is because they are imposing policies top down onto people who don't want them in places not suited for it. 15 minute cities work, but if you choose to live somewhere, either by buying a house, or renting, it's because you like how it is today, and you don't want it to change from the the way it was when you decided to move in. Now for renters it's easier to move away from policy decisions you don't like. But homeowners might find the value of their property goes down because of the 15 minute city in their area, and find it harder to sell and move. Which is why homeowners are far more likely to oppose this sort of things, and be more Conservative in nature than young progressives that rent.
Zoning that prevents densification is exactly the top down policy that you all claim to oppose. Totally understandable that you like a community the way it is but you have to square the fact you also regularly trample private property rights to do so. Parking maximums do the same thing. The low density suburban nature of our communities is literally imposed by the government not necessarily public will.
"15 minute cities are best approached for new developments on reclaimed brownfield land"
No. Every city in the country used to be a walkable city. Then the auto industry along with the oil industry spent billions of dollars on lobbying to get the government to pay for the infrastructure needed for their products. Where did these highways go? Did we build all new cities for people who want cars, or did we bulldoze directly through cities?
We did the later, so its massively hypocritical for you to bring up the "if you don't like it, leave" argument. Its childish and ignores history.
" If 15 minute cities are popular, and people love not having to use their car to buy groceries, or go to work."
The most expensive places in USA to live are all walkable neighborhoods because everyone wants to live in them. Again, our walkable cities were bulldozed to make way for cars. We simply want to go back to the way things were for thousands of years.
"15 minute cities require careful planning from the ground up to ensure that everyone has equal opportunities"
No they don't, we have been building 15 minute cities for thousands of years organically.
Funnily enough, it took massive amounts of planning to bulldoze cities to build highways and parking lots. Funnily enough, its the city planning that came after cars that required very careful planning to try and make it as convenient for cars as possible.
"What absolutely shouldn't happen is politicians taking the 15 minute concept, taking the polies that a 15 minute city promotes (car free neighbourhoods, reduced car parking, pedestrian roads, taxes on car ownership etc) and apply them to conventional neighbourhoods with widespread public opposition, lack of infrastructure and no outside investment. "
This is what happened with cars though. We took conventional neighborhoods and bulldozed them down to build highways and parking lots, and there was always massive opposition to these projects. Many times there was no vote for the people on whether the highway was going to be built or not.
your conventional neighborhoods are not conventional at all and are super modern
"The largest opposition to 15 minute cities from the right is because they are imposing policies top down onto people who don't want them in places not suited for it"
I hate to sound like a broken record, but again highways were policies that were imposed on people while also literally bulldozing peoples homes to build highways and parking lots. The places you claim aren't suited for it, would not exist if cars and car infrastructure wasn't literally forced on us.
"but if you choose to live somewhere, either by buying a house, or renting, it's because you like how it is today,"
This is only true for those with enough money. For the rest of us who do not have enough money, and that's the majority, we do not have a choice. We live where we can afford. Frankly, the poor don't have a choice at all and you seem to be completely ignoring them.
"But homeowners might find the value of their property goes down because of the 15 minute city in their area"
I keep sounding like a broken record, but the most expensive neighborhoods in USA are walkable neighborhoods. Making a neighborhood walkable always increase's the value of the property. You're literally just making up arguments that aren't based in our reality.
"Which is why homeowners are far more likely to oppose this sort of things, and be more Conservative in nature than young progressives that rent."
Again, this is just you making things up.
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_"No. Every city in the country used to be a walkable city."_
Actually they favored horse traffic before, to the point where people would get run over by horses or clipped by carriages if they walked in the street. Which is why sidewalks were such a staple of the USA where they weren't in Europe as we were the first country to build its infrastructure with modern (relatively) technology in mind.
Furthermore; yes, before we had the convenience of modern technology our cities were not designed with the convenience of modern technology in mind.
_"Then the auto industry along with the oil industry spent billions..."_
... joined up with the lizard illuminati to put stuff in the water to make the frogs do things, right?
_"Where did these highways go?"_
Along the old horse roads. Do you think roads are a new thing?
_"Did we build all new cities for people who want cars, or did we bulldoze directly through cities?"_
We expanded on existing roads, sometimes removing buildings to put in a road though very, very rarely here in the USA. As our cities were designed with horse traffic and carriage in mind and so even the early cities had large roads to allow for a lot of traffic. The process of demolishing cities to build roads was more of a European thing as their cities were designed to repel sieges, thus the narrow streets that needed expanding.
_"The most expensive places in USA to live are all walkable neighborhoods because everyone wants to live in them."_
Walkable *AND* drivable.
Also they aren't expansive because "omg I want to go there, it's walkable, that's so cool like omg totally!"
No, it's expensive reclusive areas for rich people to live which limit outside access for the purposes of exclusivity and it is that exclusivity which people are purchasing. Not the walkable part. Most the people who live there have golf carts and the like to get around "on the island" or whatever other yuppie nonsense they get up to.
_"We simply want to go back to the way things were for thousands of years."_
1) Oh look, a reactionary wanting to regress society to some mythical Utopian past age. I thought this was frowned on in Socialist thought?
2) They weren't that way here, in the USA. The USA was made to get away from "how things were for thousands of years." That's why we had that tea party and fought that war.
_"I hate to sound like a broken record, but again highways were policies that were imposed on people while also literally bulldozing peoples homes to build highways and parking lots."_
Yes, you do tend to repeat the same falsities a lot.
_"For the rest of us who do not have enough money"_
Oh please, you're not poor. You're a champagne socialist to the very text of the definition.
_"Frankly, the poor don't have a choice at all and you seem to be completely ignoring them."_
Hey, one of them poors you seem to think so much about, right here...
Go shove it.
I think you'll find you're not quite the champion of the proletariat you thing you are. By statistics, people in my economic bracket overwhelmingly oppose the policies you favor.
_"but the most expensive neighborhoods in USA are walkable neighborhoods."_
and each time it should be pointed out; that's not why they're expensive.
_"Again, this is just you making things up."_
Hah, look up the statistics bud. Your politics are those of bored middle class liberal arts students and liberal arts graduates. You are the bourgeoisie.
@@skyisreallyhigh3333 It is you that don't know what you are talking about, how old are you 20? You never got to live the way you are telling us we should live, anyone who lived like this then had to because cars were too expensive to run and mass transport was cheap and frequent, industry was mixed in with housing which was small and crowded together, the majority of those people now in their 80s now die with lung fibrosis and cancers caused by the polution they lived in from birth. This is not as simple as you think. You imagine a utopia capitalism will not allow you to have.
@@grimjoker5572 Bringing up the lizard illuminati shows you are a completely unserious person.
I have no reason to read past that comment.
You can easily go verify what I said. Not sure why it's such a wild conspiracy that for profit capitalist entities worked to kill public transport so more of their products would be sold.
Capitalists literally created the banana republic, so not sure why forcing car centricity on people is so outlandish to you.
Modern people are slowly losing their social skills. Besides their very small and closes social circles it’s much easier for modern people to insult or criticize other people (online or at the street) than getting to know other people and have a good relationship with them.
So my biggest issue is the continuous push to remove automobiles, or "slow" then to absolute minimal speeds, in order to pressure more to choose walking or public transport over their own decision.
I live in a city where everything "is" a 15 minute walk, other than my job (I work in IT, I'm not quitting my high paying job for closer walking distance lol). And I love the concept. The problem is the horrific city planners that don't want elevated bike paths, safe roads for everyone, and associated capability to choose your own transport.
Id argue a large problem is that many took over the concept, calling everything (that isn't slow speeds) "a stroad", while entirely ignoring that slower vehicles, more traffic, and minimal pedestrian/non motor elevated roadways, will always lead to more fatalities. Period. The current structures problem is education, you fix that and safety is golden.
Climate, we need to move away from coal/oil/gasoline, but we need to reuse combustion engines primarily as an alternative fuel source. So we need a more environmentally friendly solution while we advance (and turn green) electric.
Otherwise, capitalism unchecked, like cars today, is monopolies. We don't want the electric companies to have a monopoly like the gasoline companies, so we need to create competition that's viable, choice that's feasible, and pave a road that's green with plants, not with money.
That being said, the solution is never "stop driving". The world advanced so much due to the automobile. We can't go backwards, and it's what I dislike about urbanists. They want to go backwards -- They want a conservatives ideal of living, rather than a progressive forward one. Many reject modernism, wish for classicism, and hope for a world without cars again. I can't say that's leftist. That's alt right, at best.
I am trying to live in my 15 minutes, I changed jobs, changed dentist doctors, got everything very close to me. So most of my trips are close. We need to start making more of the middle housing.
It is true people like Paris and high density cities, but they don't necessarily want to live in a 5x5 meter apartment.
Suddenly conspiracy theories are false but somehow utopias are assumed to work even when most of them end up in failure.
" we'll either change on our own terms or have it forced on us by existential forces" .
30 seconds later geeze why do people think this is some sort of authoritarian plot?
Car centricity was forced on us. We didnt have a choice. It was done by authoritarian means.
Sadly, our entire economic system supports authoritarianism.
When you live in a city almost everything is within 15 minutes anyhow, and same goes for a small town
This channel is underrated Asf. Also great video! 👏👏👏
Being a Libertarian (a Libertarian isn't a right winger or a left winger or a conspiracy theorist, the definition of a Libertarian is someone who opposes public policy that depends on government coercion or force to achieve its ends -- and you've told a lie by lumping us in with those groups), I object to any policy that employs restrictions or mandates. If you want to build a city with jobs, shopping, housing, etc. all within 15 minutes of each other, that's a laudable goal. But don't forbid me to own a car or choose which neighborhood I want to shop in, or drive wherever car infrastructure exists.
The first libertarian was a communist.
It'll be fine in the states. They'll force this through in blue counties in blue states - put up the bollards so getting across town is a pain in the ass, tax parking up the ass, and generally make the lives of people who live in them plu purplum hell - and in red states, people are just going to look at footage of the shitholes these things are going to become on their phones, look at one another, say "nope," and then drive home to their houses in the suburbs. It's that simple. UK and the euros are most likely fucked, however.
The person who wants a built-up area served by passenger rail for the purposes that kind of make sense for a built-up area isn't relevant in this conversation. You have Maoist fanatics motivated by psychopathy and sadism engaged in a form of collective gaslighting in an attempt to prey on the public at large, and then you have people who just want another crosstown arterial lane. That's it. There is no middle ground. These city planner guys are all pricks. First step to getting more housing, you marginalize these assholes, get them right out of the conversation, they count as much as Bozo the Clown.
Actually, libertarianism is a type of socialism and right wingers stole the word because they cant come up with their own words for their dumb ass ideologies
This won't work in Leftist strong holds within the US. The biggest issue is leftist Americans may want communitarian institutions/infrastructure, but don't value communities enforcing basic behavioral civilization standards on individuals. Essentially, the culture doesn't match the institution. Having lived in San Fran for a short period, I've taken the bart many times, of the 5 last rides, fights broke out with 3 of those rides. I also bike and walk a lot (kills two birds with one stone), and the issues with dealing with social dysfunction are magnified when you're out and about. Considering crime has been ramping up in the urban centers and the recent case in NYC, safety on transport this should be a pretty big known issue at this point.
Ironically, the best population that could utilize it would be conservatives due to the self discipline. I state this because to use a comparison, both the US and Switzerland have similar outlined macro healthcare institutions but have extremely different results for various reasons (size, culture, specifics within the law, etc). Implementing something poorly could ruin the idea, and I think instead of adding on to an unstable pile, you'd need to focus on some civilizational fundamentals prior.
I want to say this is perhaps one of the most important points; good transit also needs to focus on security of the riders aboard. People disrespectful of the infrastructure and others around them, accosting fellow riders with absurd behavior, assault, robbery, and in rare cases, homicide, need an active transit security. Without respect for the infrastructure put into place by the public, riders will be less inclined to use transit and instead seek alternative methods that work against the 15 minute city concept.
@@MarsonJohansen Leftists are against policing as well. So "focus on security of the riders aboard" will just be a dream.
@@MarsonJohansen Well, as a part of density, there's also the lack of 3-dimensional policing within individual buildings. For any building that isn't a brownstone or walkup with fire escapes on the outside, I would love to have basic security officers posted inside each lobby as they are now, but also on every three floors above that. Not every single floor needs officers stationed, that would raise tensions and give an authoritarian, security state feel, but having a responding officer that can reach the floors above and below by simply walking up or down a single flight of stairs would be a huge weight off my shoulders as a law-abiding citizen. They would be trained to be able to run up and down the three flights of their zone, and would be required to take an annual physical involving an examination of said training. Make it through in 90 seconds or less and you're golden. They would be trained in de-escalation tactics, sensitivity and the like, and would particularly be required to have a social workers' licence. They would be allowed to take noise complaints and would be required to be residents of the building they police.
It blows my mind that those on the internet who are opposed to public transport see fights everyday on public transport, but those of us who want more of it hardly ever see fights on public transport.
Really weird
@@shanekeenaNYC Why do you want to live in a police state?
Having lived in 15 minute cities, it's fascinating to see the misconceptions around what it actually is. First of all, it's not a requirement that everyone works within 15minutes of where they live. This may be true for people providing local services such as hospitality, retail, and other local services, but that still leaves you with a lot of jobs that can't be sourced locally or done from home. What you want is that those that need to commute further have access to public transportation within a 15min radius that will get them to their destination efficiently. You will still be left with jobs that need a private car to perform their jobs. The upside for them is less traffic congestion.
The 15min city also isn't anti car. It's anti congestion. Cars should only be used where it makes sense, and that is to plug holes where other modes of transportation would fair worse or aren't available. For short trips however, other modes of transportation should have priority freeing up the roads for those that do need to use a vehicle.
Another thing I often see is this belief that 15min cities is an all encompassing concept. Housing affordability and gentrification for example are really seperate issues that has little to do with wether a place is a 15min city or not. 15 min can go into decline and the reason they many now seem so sought after is because a lot of places that were historically like that have actually disappeared due to car centric policies.
And finally, it's not up to the government to plan which specific businesses should be available in these 15min neighbourhoods. Instead, they should focus on policies that allows for mixed use zones and limit car centric big box commercial developments. The free market will then step in to provide the specific services a particular neighbourhood is after.
At the end of the day, it's all about quality of life: being able to move around with as little friction as possible. Other than that, a great video.
Where will you or the cities find the fund to implement the measures you listed in the end of the video?
Where do they find the funds for endless highways expansion? Where do they find the funds to maintain massive amounts of sprawl?
We got all the money in the world for that, but not to actually improve our lives.
@@skyisreallyhigh3333 "Where do they find the funds for endless highways expansion?"
Gas tax.
"Where do they find the funds to maintain massive amounts of sprawl? "
Property tax.
"We got all the money in the world for that, but not to actually improve our lives."
What tax are you proposing to fund public transit, etc?
@@onetwothreeabc “In 2020, state and local motor fuel tax revenue ($53 billion) accounted for 26 percent of highway and road spending, while toll facilities and other street construction and repair fees ($22 billion) provided another 11 percent. The majority of funding for highway and road spending came from state and local general funds and federal funds.” Data from the US Census Bureau Annual Survey of Finances. This is where you can get the money from; triple the gas tax and use general funds to make useful modes of transportation for people, instead of making car companies happy
@@fuckutoni I'm all for adding gas tax. However, no politician has the ball to do just that.
@@onetwothreeabc exactly that