I like the replicator shuttle bay concept. It eliminates the need for a large bay to store the shuttles, plus the craft can be customized for whatever the mission needs.
an army of maintenance drones, bunch of holographic crew, butload of energy to create literally anything via industrial grade replicator-s? /except latinum and few other materials/ bleeding edge tech and medical bay, ready to turn empty space as no need for a crew to a big holodeck aka sex dungeon...shut up and take my money.....oh right... that tech is fictional and I am broke as fcuk.....nevermind.....
I think polarized hull is a standard thing as it allows for a magnetic shield under normal or low power operation like that of a navigational deflector but it also makes the hull more resilient from impacts.
I always thought that yellow alert was the shields polerising. I remember in wrath of khan the screen and dialogue said yellow alert ( energizing defense fields ) i think was the line
@@Daginni1 Plus it helps with the random chance that you might have a situation like the battle that destroyed the Enterprise D...adding resiliance if they happen to match your shield frequency.
@@olympicnut It's more of firing phasers through your opponents shields and they shoot through yours if the shield harmonics are the same. It's what they were doing with the info from Geordi's VISOR there. Adding a polarized hull would add more protection there
Starfleet Admiralty: we want a faster more powerful engine. SFCofE: our current core does Transwarp and can destroy a small planet if it breaches. Starfleet Admiralty: MORE!!! SFCofE: OK ..... creates a solar system destroying bomb thats constantly on the verge of exploding & straps it to a ship with 2 small planet destroying warp cores. Starfleet Admiralty: PERFECT!!!!
Honestly. The Voth have a working Transwarp. Quantum Slipstream is almost as good. Give a Galaxy-class the Dauntless saucer, or else finally break through with a working Transwarp without Benzimite crystal side effects.
I think Polarized Hull Plating may have been drug out of the past for more sensible reasons. Three times in the relatively recent past, Starfleet has been smacked with 'your shields mean nothing'. They were able to adapt, but it's still a rude wakeup call, and what led to the use of ablative armor...which is a tech from NOW. But ablative armor has to be replaced after every battle where damage is taken. Polarized hull plating, depending on how it actually functions (seems to me that it's more akin to structural integrity fields integrated into the hull than just EM polarization) might not have been bypassed by polaron beams, or nullified by breen disruptors, or just drained or ignored by the Borg. I doubt it's as powerful as shields, but if it ALWAYS works, that's a tradeoff worthy of consideration.
Not to mention that they have run into other groups that actually use proper armor somewhat regularly, and there's always negative space wedgies to make shields just not work at all in some areas. Bringing back proper armor systems is probably the best idea Starfleet's had since building the Defiant.
I rather think polarized hull plating has been standard tech since the nx-01, its just lumped under another system as a never really talked about sub system. It makes sense as a component of structural integrity. I doubt a technology from 200 years in the past would be dug up amd implemented in a meaningful way, compared to a technology that has soon 200 years of continual development as standard ship tech. It's just that by the TOS era the weapons commonly used and faced are so powerful that nothing short of shields or magic mystery metal will stand up to them, including the latest in hull polarization, a technology so basic and integrated its pretty much always on unless the ship is completely dead in the water, yet is so out classed by the weapons being faced that the hull can still be punched through as soon as the shields drop.
@@danpitzer765 the general means of operation may be the same (shedding armor) but the chemistry and physics behind it is probably very different from modern tank armor. Meanwhile hull polarisation seems like a more specific technology.
I think hull polarisation was mentioned a couple of times in TNG/VOY/DS9, it just wasn't used as defensive technology but some kind of techbobabble solution. So I agree with the other person that hull polarisation may be so ineffective by the 24th century that its only use is as a solution to some kind of scientific problem rather than as defence. It's still a standard feature on ships though.
So ablative armor only works against energy weapons. It's meant to dissipate heat as it vaporizes away. Really useful against the borg, not so much against an asteroid. It'd just crumple and shear like hull plating.
From what I understand, it's not just the slip-and-fall issue that keeps stairs from being too common on ships. That's an avoidable problem too, but the bigger issue is that it's harder to secure a staircase than it is a ladder: even if you have enough space to make the stairwell its own separate room with sealable hatches on both ends, it's more efficient to just put a hatch on the floor that the crew can seal off if needed.
not to avoidable if the ship gets hit by a photon torpedo when your on those steps , that being said even the Enterprise D has stairwell's in the schematics .for when the turbo lifts are out and you cant fit into jefferies tubes there are stairwells on star ships you can use to get from point A to B.
Also the ships are rather large with many decks. Small cities almost. Getting from one end of the ship to another on foot using stairs in a reasonable amount of time will require you being a triathlete if there's an emergency. They'd be for emergency use or security training for the most part. Look how lazy our level of tech has made us. Imagine them? 🤣
stairwells size requirement is less relevent to a society that uses forcefields as emergency bulkheads, as long as there is an enclosed entrance to the stairs you can just slap field generators into the entry to the stairs and seal off both ends
I personally would not call polarised Hull plating antiquated, yes the tech itself is pretty old by ST standards but has been proven to reduce Hull damage when it comes to direct hits and with technology it can be greatly improved as time goes on.
On a normal ship, when a warp core fails you've got a rather nasty explosion to deal with. Bad to be sure, but limited in scope. On this ship, when gravametric containment fails, you've got a gravitational hazard that can destabilise a star system. If it fails during warp? Let's just say you've ruined a lot of people's day. And think of the extreme measures it would take to decommission this thing at the end of its service life! What's not to love?😅
I don’t comprehend Starfleet’s need to use power sources that are so insanely dangerous. The transporter / replicator technology can break solid matter down into energy. They literally have a machine that converts matter directly to energy. They should have a matter furnace instead of antimatter reactors or exotic systems like this one. It can’t blow the ship up if it fails and literally anything will work as fuel.
This ship is much worse than the romulan war bird in this regard. A warbird carries an artificial singularity sure, but let's examine the risks associated with that and compare it to the available alternatives... The primary risk associted with a black hole is its extreme gravity and mass, but contrary to popular perception, stellar masses are not required to build a black hole artificially. In theory a black hole could be made by applying very very high energy to an extremely small volume. Indeed destroyed romulan ships on the show never exhibit extreme gravity either A small artificially created black hole, like a kugleblitz, doesnt need to be all that massive as its schwarzchild radius wouldnt need to envelope a large volume for it to manifest in real space as an event horizon. Given the small scale, a black hole of this size would also evaporate relatively quickly. (Edit: in about 5 years according to wikipedia) black hole battery debris is still a far worse prospect than a short lived antimatter generator explosion, and such sigularity based tech should only be consideed a viable choice if antimatter generation isnt available as an option. A black hole of this size, if left in free space, wouldn't have a particulary large gravity well and wouldnt really be a problem unless it crashed into somthing, like a planet or a star. If it does, your going to have a real problem on your hands as it slowly consumes whatever it collided with over the next 1000 years or so. So they are potentially very hazardous if not handled correctly. By contrast, a protostar would definately need a stellar mass to exist and have a huge gravity well that can imediatly desturb planitary orbits sytem wide once containment is breached. Also an object like this is going to flood the area with all kinds of radiation and the star itself going to stick around in some form untill the heat death of the universe. Another thing to consider is what happens if containment fails whilst the ship is at warp. If a ship with a mini substellar black hole aboard is destroyed whilst at warp your left with a small black hole moving at relativistic speed through the galaxy. Potentially hiting somthing on its path. On the up side the chances of it actually hitting somthing are quite low and given the estimated life of the black hole itself, this would likely only have an effective range of 5 light years (potential relativistic effects not withstanding) If a ship carrying a protostar is destroyed whilst at warp, the inertial shock acting on the star may cause a nova event that, because of its relativistic speed, will be blue shifted right up into the high energy cosmic wave band of the electromagnetic spectrium. This wave, or pulse, will radiate outward in a cone shape along the ships heading potentially superheating and irradiating any planetary atmospheres within the cone for an effective range of about 100 light years. A radiative dispersion pattern will cover a much larger area than a single projectile and as such this effect is signicantly more likely to hit somthing. (Not to mention the shot gun blast of super dense stellar fragments ejected by such an explosion) 🤔 yep I'd say any ethical star fairing civilisation should consider the inherent duty of care to the larger galactic community before building a ship like this and the fact that starfleet went ahead a built one anyway is damning evidence against them as an institution. The romulans don't come out of this looking good here either, but the protostar vessel wins this dangerous design award hands down. No small wonder that the tortured ghost of Kathryn Janeway haunts its cursed halls.
Honestly the ship impressed me the most on the show, but the show overall was way better than I expected it to be and can't wait to see more. That Maru episode was so nostalgic and well put together as an aging fan was awesome to see and is one of my top ten episodes of trek now.
The polarized hull plating is good backup in case the navigational deflectors go offline unexpectedly, or even the regular deflectors, for that matter. Plus, it helps if a KKV somehow gets through the shields.
Yeah the protostar the first star fleet vessel that actually helps you take it over instead of only being extremely easy to take over like all the other ships in the fleet
Funnily enough, the protostar is probably what happens when you let human engineers loose. Vulcan: We can optimise our warp-core by 1.5% with calibrations Human 1: What? nah, fuck that, let's plug in two warp-cores, into the same ship! Vulcan: but that is both dangerous and destabilising... Human 2: Just 2 warp-cores? Make it 3 warp cores!!! Vulcan: You're just asking for trouble... Human 1: 3 warp-cores is boring though, I know! What if we put in a black hole in our ship! Human 2: but the Romulans already have that, we need to do something different. What if we screw the "dead star" in the middle of our ship and have a proto-star instead! Vulcan: YOU REALISE THAT IF IT EXPLODES IT WOULD TAKE OUT HALF A STAR-SYSTEM? Human 1 and 2: That's what's cool about it! Hold our beer! Vulcan: Bloody hell, and we'll probably actually learn something from it. Screw humans, and screw starfleet.
That is why Humans outpace the Vulcans, even if the Romulans, who were perfectly justified to commit genocide, didn't destroy their planet. Humans would take risks that help them advance faster than just pure thought. Technically you need both. Caution and planning to prevent people from destroying the galaxy, but willing to try something new.
I think the stairs are just due to the small size of the ship. The Protostar is basically a runabout to which someone welded on two photon torpedoes and a stolen Romulan protostar core.
Stairs don't fail when the power does. Stairs don't jam when something hits the ship hard enough to warp the frame. Stairs let dozens of crewmembers to use them simultaneously when running like hell to battle stations. Barring the aircraft and weapons elevators on carriers, warships don't have stairs, and even carriers only have elevators because bombs and planes are notoriously bad at walking :P
What is the official size of the Protostar? In the new previews it is seen next to the Dauntless, and the Dauntless dwarfs it. If it is the same size as the Dauntless from the Voyager episode, it's slightly smaller than an Intrepid class ship. So, seriously, what are we looking at? Perhaps 100 meters long? Much like modern buildings, perhaps elevators were deemed somewhat unnecessary for day-to-day movement. Walking up and down 15 decks in an Intrepid would suck, but when 90% of the ship is on decks 2-5 it's pretty doable.
I think what they were trying to say is that with artificial gravity involved stairs could become a major hazard to safe crew transport during emergency turbulence. If you are struggling to walk a few feet on a flat surface then I imagine it would be nearly impossible to go up or down stairs without constantly falling over.
I think the issue is there is just no room for a turbo lift, so they are forced to use stairs to conserve space. ITs a hightech ship with 99% of it being hightech... Theres got to be something they can't fit in.
yup, it had an "industrial replicator" in its cargo bay. This is the core reason why it was labeled a "deep space exploration vessel" and why the Galaxy class could never have survived alone without a friendly repair station like Voyager did.
@@sh4d0wfl4re Yeah, I'd figured they'd replicated parts and one of the Engineering jobs was assembling them. I'd figured that when the Delta Flyer was being built where the issue wasn't building a smaller craft, but that they were building a new design that might be a waist of resources.
I like it in general; I'm glad that they made the ship cool-looking for the kids' sake. When I was a kid, "cool" designs were a must for the adventure cartoons of the 60's. We were lucky that the adult producers at that time knew damn well what was Cool. This is one of the few such shows I've seen in recent history.
One thing to note is that, by the very nature of the protostar it uses as its main source of energy, it means the Protostar rely, for its warping, not to mater.anti-mater reaction, but on Fusion, instead.
0:29 maybe the reason they don't put all their new tech into a ship is because everytime they do that, the ship ends up stranded either in time or in another quadrant ? XD Enteprise (galaxy class): stranded when met the borg Enteprise (sovereign class): stranded in time during first contact Voyager: Delta quadrant At some point, some people are going to get supersticious XD
Stairs are actually very useful especially in a power failure situation where they allow you easy access accross the ship with out having to navigate Jeffery tubes
Gravity has only gone out once from what I remember, even on derelict ships. Ramps, but with gravity at the corresponding angle would be best, so it just feels flat.
was skeptical at first but the ship is indeed great. given its size i would love to see a full deck layout for the vessel especially since Season 2 doesn't seem to return to it. The single landing leg was new but a cool idea and the vehicle replicator a really cool idea in my opinion. The Protostar would be a type of ship i would like to see in a special operative role. Fast, versatile, able to provide training and recreation on its holodeck. The vehicle replicator can provide all special equipment on the run so the ship can quickly adapt. The drive and size allowing it to go anywhere it needs to very fast while carrying shields and weapons comparable to a larger starship. Perfectly suited for hit and run maneuvers. It even allows to be operated with a minimal crew which we could all keep track of if it should be made into a show. No need for some unknown crewmember roles.
Or, say take a large spaceframe, add warp and quantum slipstream drive, use polarized hull plating covered by quantum armor and regenerating shield generators. Add either temporal or quantum phasing torpedoes to go through enemy shields. Use either an anti proton beam derived from the Planet Killer or the plasma lightning of species 8472 as a spinal weapon. And then give it a 3 nacelle design to give it plenty of power for phasers. Include the Federation phase cloak. Give it industrial replicators to rebuild torpedo stocks from any handy asteroid belt. Use an AI to reduce the needed size of the crew (one that works this time).
One practical use for stairs on a Starship is that during an emergency, if main power is lost, the crew can still move between decks without having to crawl through Jeffries Tubes. Since Turbo Lifts need power to operate, having stairs means that the crew can still move around during a power outage. Also, where large pieces of equipment, or people who have to remain lying down when injured, cannot be crammed into a Turbo Lift, or beamed away during loss of power situations, stairs allow the crew to (quite literally) move around these problems.
It kind-of bugs me that "a baby star" is somehow this amazing power system when Romulan Warbirds are powered by _black holes_ and are not "better" than standard Federation Starfleet warp cores. There's got to be something else going on with the Protostar to explain its super-warp functionality. One thing I _love_ about the series, though, is the way that it truly highlights the amazing impact the universal translator - and the availability of such on the tiny comm badges - has on life and exploration.
It's all about the Plasma. A protostar is one helluva massive fusion reactor creating high quality plasma. A Matter/Antimatter core creates plasma through the complete annihilation of matter with antimatter (leaving Trilithium as a byproduct.) The Singularity cores of the Romulans creates plasma through acceleration of matter towards the core and they scoop it out before passing the accretion disk. It's not the same quality plasma so it won't be able to be as power efficient. It's like the difference between the octane ratings in gasoline.
Yea...that tech has for some reason really got the shaft, even though I'd say it is a far more impressive technological feat considering that not only did they CREATE a singularity but also contain it and harness its power to the fullest.
It could be any number of things, really. Personally, I always assumed Romulan singularity cores were much smaller than naturally occurring black holes, and I don't think it's ever been explained how energy is actually extracted from them. They certainly don't just passively radiate energy the way a star does.
@@justinthompson6364 Yeah as I understand it, the Romulan singularity core uses a black hole that is too small to self-sustain outside of their power system. Without careful controls it would evaporate quickly into radiation. So yes, it's powerful but nothing approaching stellar-class.
Great episode! Very informative and positive. I totally agree with you with the other models. I understand the specific models if there were "chip" or other imporstant material shortages.....but....there ain't! There is really no reason that each ship cannot have the best of the best other than for plot aka story reasons. Hell if the Oberth class wasn't the way it is, how many TH-cam vids would we not have trashing it or rescuing it? So I'm sure we know the "why" but these are the same reasons that this future starts looking grim. But yes, there's no reason a Protostar shouldn't be looking for a stolen Protostar when there's literally vehicle replicators on board this ship! What could a stand alone unit make with the exponential power of a starship standing by on a planet or shipyard? Thanks again Mr. LR!
3:00 The most scientifically advanced thing that humanity has ever created, with food replicators, holodecks, warp drive, and they can even 3D print an entire spacecraft from inside this ship but they still can't build a ship big enough for everyone to have a comfortable room to themselves?
Well, it's already powered by a star. To fit comfortably all the crew it would need to be... bigger inside than outside. Now where did I heard this before ?
Yeah this always bothered me in Star Trek in general. Space is big, you can make ships as big as you want and even if you couldn't, I would rather have what is essentially a closet or sleeping tube to myself then have to share a larger (but still tiny room with a work level relationship. Also, I never understood the size of standard beds and doors on starfleet vessels. Sure, average humans fit on/through them okay but I can't imagine a taller human fitting on one of those ensigne level bunk beds, let alone an average sized or larger klingon (and you just know that klingons fight in their sleep).
@@zachcrawford5 Just imagine a Klingon sharing a room with a human and accidentally stabbing their bunk mate with the bat'leth they sleep with while in the middle of a dream battle.
I think it can all be traced back to Gene Roddenberry's Naval experience. Basically he probably saw a fleet of ships as covering all the bases. I actually kind of like that angle as I never wanted to see "God ships" that are all powerful. Plus the Miranda / Nova classes of Starship are somewhat modular in their ability to be outfitted with different setups depending on their mission.
Great vid, I do wonder if hull polarization is standard in federation ships as a passive thing, since many that lose their shields still take a beating :) Also, Little story on the protostar core that you might be interested in: I was on twitter musing (to myself aloud) that a protostar doesn't really make much sense as a gimmick power source because a typical warp engine of the era, and a romulan singularity core should have superior output to a protostar, especially one that small. Randomly one of the writers noticed the tweet and said, 'what if it's a special protostar ;)'. (yes the winky face emote was included). I left it at that as it is a kids show, don't wanna nerd too hard when its just a bit of fun ^^
Polarized Plating first seen in ST Enterprise was the only defenses they had until later in the show when they developed the first deflector screens, energy fields projected off the hull hugging the ship. Various Mk. of deflector screens continued through the Star Trek U until in Star Trek Motion Picture they rolled out Shields an energy bubble shield. The armor on this ship looks less like polarized plating and more like the advanced anti Borg Plating from the last episode of Voyager. You typically don't abandon a tech unless it give no advantage. Polarized plating would still be used after Enterprise, it added structural integrity to the ship and I don't doubt that this tech as time went on was just always on, not something that was turned on, especially as energy production improved this also may have lead to the structural integrity fields of STtng era. When Screens were developed plating probably became a yellow alert activation as were red alert was for screens. By the time of STO plating may have simple become standard and always on. By the movies screens were yellow alert level and the new shields became red alert status.
@@olympicnut Decker points this out calling it "screens and shield" referring to their former new form of protection that had just saved them. In Star Trek TOS they often referred to deflectors as screens. Sulu comments after Veger's first attack that the "new" screens held. Kirk then calls down to Scout as Veger's next shot is coming and asks if the shield will hold. "Our shields will not survive another attack." The concept of polarized plating was strictly a ST Enterprise invention. Good for canon I like it, to showcase the development of defensive tech through Starfleet History. But screens are deflectors, and shields are the energy bubble shield that we seen in everything after TMP, the rest of the movies, STtng, DS9, STV, and all the STtng movies.
IMO, since the TMP era, Starfleet likely took the same advice that Kirk gave to Commander Spock in the Mirror Universe. Don't expand too far&too fast if you don't have the logistics to back up that expansion. So Scotty&Spock had known about Transwarp since the Kelvans had modded the Enterprise in trying to return back to the Andromeda galaxy. While the Enterprise's engines were modded with those transwarp modifications, the Excelsior was designed from the ground up to take advantage of those mods as well as anything related to going beyond Faster than Warp technologies like phase shifting the ship to bypass the Warp10 barrier of infinite speed. The Excelsior always had the capability to travel transwarp just that it's been disabled. It's more likely that the warp engine's intermix ratios&warp field configuration just needs to be deployed. The different formulas are in the ship's main computers&needed to be compiled so that the resulting formulas for the ship to travel in transwarp works. Just like Scotty's Transwarp beaming formula, the transporters are more than capable of performing beyond what it was originally designed to do since it's true features are disabled or not even operating together properly. So post TMP era, if Scotty/Spock or the Enterprise ever find themselves in another universe, galaxy or time, a Starfleet capital ship's main computer probably has the data on calculating to travel faster than warp or time travel it just needs to compile that formula specificly for the ship's warp engines&nacelle's warp field. Spock can even do it in his head and he was even able to do it with an old Klingon BOP.
About the polarized hull plating... yes its "old" tech but put it this way; would you rather be in a ship where if the shields are taken down all you have is the standard armour that will take the full force of an impact at the point of collision, or that same armour but with the added passive ability to dissipate the energy of an impact lessening the damage and buying a bit extra time to get shields working again?
I do think we need to see what Starfleet can really come up with, if aloud to just run with it.. im hoping that's what the section 31 show will have, ships that will just blow us away with tech.
the polarized hull plating is really interesting, it does get to something federation ships have always failed at. federation ships whenever their shields failed always suffered horribly, their hulls were very fragile to weapons of their era, but in Enterprise we see that by running a massive electrical current through the plating, the hull would polarize and be resistant to almost any amount of damage in the same way shields work, by using built in capacitors, the hull could tank hits by flooding targeted areas with electricity to extreme amounts basically cranking up density and energy to match any force applied by the weapon fire. less effective against missiles and torpedos, but still better than just metal plates. we see federation ships go to shields because they arent limited by much of the constraints of hull plating and allow for a ship to be built lighter, faster, more manuverable, and more adaptable. the idea of shields is just better in every way, and shield output is directly related to how much power you can give it, even taking energy straight from the warp drive in energencies. whats neat though, the protostar works on a principle of limitless energy. while its not literally limitless, it might as well be for practical purposes. and when dealing with that degree of energy surplus, and the enhanced hull plating already being needed for the velocities their traveling, as transwarp does have a physical effect on a ships hull, especially if the wave function collapses and they are thrust back into normal space. well if all the pieces are already there, then there is no harm in adding the polarized hull plating as just a further back up. im sure the show will show off this antiquated tech actually saving them. its just a case of why not. youve got the power, the infrastructure already has to be there, so why not go ahead and have it. even if the benefit is nill, theres no reason to not have it.
1) Stairs are also bad for accessibility. Admiral Pike in his chair would probably have issues with stairs. 2) Polarizing a hull alone is antiquated, but when you polarize the hull AND use Ablative armor, it's even MORE effective.
I mean… you didn’t even mention it had Voy’s equipment replicator. That’s how they always had a fresh squadron of new shuttle craft in the Delta quadrant lol
Only complaint I have is that there's an Admiral Janeway and no Federation Borg tech involved. Voyager made it home after all, the most advanced Federation ships should include that tech.
I assumed some time ago that the structural integrity field polarized the hull plating. This gives some protection when the shields are down. If not, a single photon torpedo should vaporize the ship instantly. (They are anti-matter bombs, after all)
@@mikehendon7327 yeah... Which I guess means one wrong move and these Fed ships go Nova while these turn into Blackholes... Might as well not even have escape pods or anything similar. Since any planet you beamed too would get vaccumed into God knows how small a space hole or vaporized in a flaming plasma blast wave. Never seen an escape craft in Scifi escape those sorta effects UNLESS they were almost outta danger already anyways
I would have an auxiliary craft replicator only as a last resort or backup. The typical system would consist of an extremely powerful and long range transporter that just teleports craft as needed from Star base or dry dock somewhere. There would also be weapons that work like that. Single use phasers or torpedo launchers are transported into position, fired, and then transported back to be repaired if they aren’t destroyed by the enemy. The ship would only be as big as it needs to be, and space inside of it would be increased using some crazy advanced technobabble thing that’s basically just a science version of those tents from Harry Potter.
So they didn't add the adaptive armor of the Voyager as shown in Admiral Janeway's diaries, they didn't use the quantum torpedoes, none of the advancements of the wars against the Dominion, none of the adaptations against several species from the Delta Quadrant, none of that stuff. So this is what is considered Starfleet's most advanced vessel? Seems pretty dumb to me. Typical Startrek technobabble with no rhyme or reason for any of their decisions.
mh sure its nice to have a ship where you can put everything into that you have avaliable... but then you may have to come up with a big ass ship, that can use nothing of it because it may not be able to go anywhere... I mean, sure, you CAN build an aircraftcvarrier with triple railguns like the Iowa-class once had, hell, if you wanna to you can makle it submergeable and if you completly loose your mind, strap huge fans on its side and make it fly like in the Avengers. Problem is you will come to a point when all of this just doesn't work and if you forget about stupid stuff like money or manpower, you will have to face the fact that it still needs fuel for all this, however it is powered in the end. And even if they barley mention it, even Starfleet needs fuel in form of antimatter or deuterium for their ships, especially because their tech magic...not to mention that SF knows the value of having ships that dont need to be able to can anything, because in most situations it isn't needed or appropiate.
Assuming they're not just technobabbling and actually mean the ship houses a protostar for power, it's unlikely the ship would ever need to refuel in its lifetime. That's an entire star system's worth of reaction mass, if you believe they could actually cram one on board _without_ catastrophic consequences.
@@justinthompson6364 I honestly assume the power output of this one ship is likely insane. And the primary reason it has all the bells and whistles it does. Lots of experimental tech at the smallest footprint possible, and then massive replicators to back up anything that's missing. You don't get large scale replicators elsewhere since in a ship big enough to handle the power requirements by the conventional means, you may as well just use the space for a simpler shuttle bay.
@@Jerhevon Perhaps, but even by Trek standards, a protostar represents an extraordinary amount of energy- an order of magnitude _of orders of magnitude_ beyond even the most power-hungry constructs I can think of. Forget shuttlecraft, this would represent enough energy to replicate millions of Earth-sized planets by even the most conservative estimate.
Because it makes no sense. A rotating black hole does. Toss in matter at a variable rate and the accretion disk does the rest. Rotating black holes are something like 48% efficient in converting matter to energy. The only thing more efficient is antimatter/matter at 100% Which is why using a "proto star" aka matter collapsing in on itself and beginning fusion, makes no sense. That's a step back by 500 years in the Star Trek timeline. Instead of using antimatter/matter cores.. they're using fusion which is 0.7% efficient (matter to energy conversion, not energy in » energy out efficiency).
@@ericalbers4867 well the Protostar isn't being utilized as the sole power source, there fore you can put all it's energy into speed so it can pump that energy into ONE thing and not powering the whole ship. or at least that is how I make sense of it.
@@jeremydelaughter5127 I would see that being useful if it were something else. Say, another warp core. At only 0.7% efficiency compared to antimatter/matter reactions in order to get the same power output you'd need a protostar core that's magnitudes larger. It would be like wanting a jet to go faster so you put a propeller on it powered by a guy using bike pedals. Or throwing a bottle rocket on a Saturn V lmao Those energy levels are still closer to each other than fusion vs. antimatter/matter. Might as well have a primary and smaller secondary warp core. Save space, weight, complexity. I digress, the name sounds cool and the ship looks amazing.
Hey, remember that one time when we stuff the biggest phaser and warp core into a tiny ship, let's do it again but instead put a third nacelle and instead weapons, some advance technology and stuff.
If Starfleet used ALL tech it would be cool to see them steal stuff that Section31 uses. Like 31’s transporter tech that allowed Sloan to beam around without being detected. And I imagine 31 has weaponry and sensor tech that is in a class of its own.
So how would this vessel be different from a Romulan singularity drive? One uses a new star and one uses a collapsed star. It's ingenious to be sure, but I'm not sure it's new.
I wonder if the "polarized hull" is some new variant on the tech, to see if it can be improved in a way that makes it worth having once again. The USS Protostar was a test bed vessel, after all. Stairs on a Federation Starship are not at all shocking, considering that they do a lot for aesthetics that aren't practical. And, to be honest, rolling down a ramp isn't going to be much better, especially if the ramp is as steep as it would need to be to fit in the same space as stairs. Ramps would actually be greater tripping hazards. And if multiple levels serve any purpose at all, having stairs or ladders or ramps are your non-turbolift options. The captain's quarters being so much more luxurious than everyone else's is the big thing that's "weird" to me, since it's a jump not to merely privacy but to luxury. It might make sense if the captain is meant to actually be a near-admiral semi-retired teacher, though, while the rest of the crew is to be cadets. At that point, the teaching vessel is really the captain's personal home and the students are still just students. I think the next logical step in the holotech for ships, though, will be making individual crew quarters into very compact holodecks. Just enough room for a real head, small closet/set of drawers, and bunk, with maybe enough extra space to stand in the middle and not be able to touch the walls. Then, their personal quarters can be holographic, expanded to near-infinite size for perceptual purposes, with a luxurious bed and bathroom suite and plenty of room for anything they want to do. (Having parties might still disrupt the illusion, depending on real physical space, but they could invite their friends to come over via a holographically-linked hallway from their own quarters, and then interact via holograms.)
You don't even necessarily need a lock to weaponize transporters. Just kinda grab whatever is in the area of engineering and yank it out until the ship is disabled or blows up. It's not terribly interesting for a TV show though, which is probably why they don't do stuff like that.
Being post Voyager, it should have had Iso Kinetic cannons, phase torpedoes, that replicated ablative armour, faster quantum slipstream, and even maybe the zero point energy warp system from the Dauntless. Surely they made a study of that before escaping.
I believe the current theory is that it's from the future, and so they wouldn't be looking for it cause they didn't know about it, until they picked up the signature. Time travel shenanigans.
@@rhodrage I dunno about that, doesn't really work with the fact that Janeway was looking for Chakotay who was clearly declared MIA by that point. Plus doesn't explain what happened to the crew, because I highly doubt the robot guy (forgot his name) slaughtered everyone but before leaving made sure to clean up all the blood and guts.
@@Mate397 It's a bit confusing cause we're told it's in the 2480's. But the ship was hidden for over 17years. But that would have been before even Voyager even got to the Delta Quadrant. So there has to be time travel somewhere.
@@Mate397 Then how about this. From the federations perspective it had only recently gone missing. And what actually happened was it had gone back in time. That's why they only just started looking for it, cause to them it wasn't years at all.
I can think of one technologie missing right on the spot. The armor future Admiral Janeway brought back in the Voyager finale. Federation still should habe acces to it thince timeshinanigance is always a thing
Captain: Does this ship have all the best good stuff of our 24th century technology? Number 1: Aye Captain! Captain: Where are my seat belts? Number 1:
Everything you say up until 0:42 is exactly why I was so baffled at the complaints that the fleet that shows up in the S1 finale of PIC is all one class of ship. The Curiosity class is “the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship that Starfleet has ever put into service” (and that’s unlikely to be an idle boast or bluff, because Riker knows how deeply the Zhad Vash infiltrated Starfleet Command). If they’ve finally figured out how to put the best of everything into one complete package, and they’ve got enough of those to assemble an armada, why should they bring along lesser ships for the ride?
Considering what we know about the history of Starfleet it is highly unlikely that they would build so many of them. They would mass produce smaller ships, like the Mirandas or even the Excelsiors, and build maybe a dozen or two of the really advanced stuff. Edit: also considering the whole debacle with Mars i am not even sure they can build that many of them in a relatively small time frame.
@@tortenschachtel9498 To your first paragraph, the whole point of the intro of this video is calling Starfleet out for the folly of that approach. To the edit, perhaps it strains credibility but we very clearly saw that they did.
To me, the biggest mistake Starflleet every made was to outlaw cloaking technology. for an organization that loves exploring AND the prime directive, there really is no better tech if trying to observe in anonymity also... pretty convenient to avoid trouble :)
Polarized hull plating actually does make sense alongside shielding. You see, shields aren't perfect, and so polarized hull plating will allow the hull to take more hits through the shield and not be damaged as severely.
The Protostar class is what happens when the head of Starfleet Ship Design forces everyone to stop getting distracted on vanity project for random captains and admirals who want stuff like a NX-01 refit dragged upto sufficient enough 23rd century combat.
I said it for years why don't they have replicators to make ships and spare warp-core multiple warp cores. Similar to the romulans using black holes which is very dangerous. But I like the idea keep up the good work. Thank you
Lets see. 4000 lightyears in minutes. That's 40K lightyears in tens of minutes. Round that up to an hour. The Voyager crew was less than 80K lightyears from Earth. So...this thing could have got the Voyager home by dinner time rather than in nearly a century? Talk about one hell of a technology jump.
@@jefferydaniels6717 probably by a automated testing malfunction. Most likely that or they evacuated when the main core over loaded when they where about to jump.
My thoughts are that its the ship version of a Mary Sue, screaming at everyone "TAKE ME SERIOUSLY, I'M NOT JUST AN ANIMATED SERIES CLEARLY APPEALING TO KIDS!!!"
Love the holographic display on the bridge, but why isn't it a 360 degree view? You could have the crew walking on the stars, or more realistically, just a small baseplate with the consoles and command chair and assorted equipment on it, surrounded by an almost 360 degree holographic display - sort of like the way the inside of "Cerebro" from the newer X-Men movies is set up.
Cool ship! Is it from the cartoon? That cartoon footage is tough to look at, and doesn’t make me want to watch, but otherwise I like the video, so thanks.
Juggernaut Class Fabri-Carrier -- The Inner Core of the ship is a giant replicator that is used to produce starships. The inner core is surrounded by an outer core consisting of replicators and holographic projectors that are used to maintain and repair the inner core and the outer layers of the ship. The outer layers of the ship are mostly holographic and have decks to hold the starships generated by the core. The system is powered by two artificial wormholes -- one connecting to a star ready to go nova and the other to an anti-matter black hole... The Power Core mixes the matter and anti-matter from the two wormholes providing a near limitless supply of energy. All Starships are equipped with chronoton generators, and are engineered to travel backwards through time upon launch so that they seemingly arrive at their destination INSTANTANEOUSLY. All Photon Torpedos are similarly equipped. If taken by surprise, ships are launched and sent backward in time and position themselves before the attack so that they arrive behind enemy ships and attack immediately after they were launched.
Stairs are great for a ship meant to go into combat. Sure, the ride can get bumpy but if you need to get somewhere and the turbolifts lose power, get wrecked. Stairs always work unless the stairwell is pretty much destroyed. That's why current warships use a lot of stairs. The few elevators are used to move cargo, not people.
Smaller than an Intrepid, bunk beds, a prototype faster-than-warp drive, average phaser banks, the ability to create new shuttlecraft on demand...this screams "scout", or "courier" at best. When you have to cross the Milky Way galaxy in just a week to warn each quadrant's main civilization about an impending threat, or gather diplomats for a galaxy-wide forum.
This is what my problem is. To make a good fantasy, there needs to be rules. That was why the Romulan D'deridex Warbird was beautiful. There was a reason why there was an empty space. Warp nacelles need a direct line of sight to initiate a warp bubble. And that is why I hated the ship in DS9, because some of them violated long establish rules. If they are going to use a protostar to power the ship, it needs to be like the Romulan warbird, and be massive.
I like the replicator shuttle bay concept. It eliminates the need for a large bay to store the shuttles, plus the craft can be customized for whatever the mission needs.
I hate replicators. Makes things too easy.
@@slewone4905 but fixes plot hole (looks as voyager with the clown car hanger)
@@slewone4905 probably shouldn't be watching star trek then.
You must like the Hard Life 😲
an army of maintenance drones, bunch of holographic crew, butload of energy to create literally anything via industrial grade replicator-s? /except latinum and few other materials/ bleeding edge tech and medical bay, ready to turn empty space as no need for a crew to a big holodeck aka sex dungeon...shut up and take my money.....oh right... that tech is fictional and I am broke as fcuk.....nevermind.....
I think polarized hull is a standard thing as it allows for a magnetic shield under normal or low power operation like that of a navigational deflector but it also makes the hull more resilient from impacts.
I always thought that yellow alert was the shields polerising. I remember in wrath of khan the screen and dialogue said yellow alert ( energizing defense fields ) i think was the line
A backup to shields that makes ship armor plate much stronger? Why wouldnt you add more protection?
@@Daginni1 Plus it helps with the random chance that you might have a situation like the battle that destroyed the Enterprise D...adding resiliance if they happen to match your shield frequency.
@@AzraelThanatos Still makes no sense in Generations. A single photon torpedo should have destroyed an unshielded ship.
@@olympicnut It's more of firing phasers through your opponents shields and they shoot through yours if the shield harmonics are the same. It's what they were doing with the info from Geordi's VISOR there. Adding a polarized hull would add more protection there
Starfleet Admiralty: we want a faster more powerful engine.
SFCofE: our current core does Transwarp and can destroy a small planet if it breaches.
Starfleet Admiralty: MORE!!!
SFCofE: OK .....
creates a solar system destroying bomb thats constantly on the verge of exploding & straps it to a ship with 2 small planet destroying warp cores.
Starfleet Admiralty: PERFECT!!!!
I mean, push comes to shove, if their in a war and they're desperate, all they would have to do is point and drive. Problem solved XD Jkjk
Honestly. The Voth have a working Transwarp. Quantum Slipstream is almost as good. Give a Galaxy-class the Dauntless saucer, or else finally break through with a working Transwarp without Benzimite crystal side effects.
Nah, this is a human run organization here. Starfleet Admirals will not be satisfied until they have achieved theoretically maximum fast.
Star fleet admiralty:(under-breath) for now
Xzibit: Yo dawg!
I think Polarized Hull Plating may have been drug out of the past for more sensible reasons.
Three times in the relatively recent past, Starfleet has been smacked with 'your shields mean nothing'. They were able to adapt, but it's still a rude wakeup call, and what led to the use of ablative armor...which is a tech from NOW.
But ablative armor has to be replaced after every battle where damage is taken.
Polarized hull plating, depending on how it actually functions (seems to me that it's more akin to structural integrity fields integrated into the hull than just EM polarization) might not have been bypassed by polaron beams, or nullified by breen disruptors, or just drained or ignored by the Borg.
I doubt it's as powerful as shields, but if it ALWAYS works, that's a tradeoff worthy of consideration.
Not to mention that they have run into other groups that actually use proper armor somewhat regularly, and there's always negative space wedgies to make shields just not work at all in some areas. Bringing back proper armor systems is probably the best idea Starfleet's had since building the Defiant.
I rather think polarized hull plating has been standard tech since the nx-01, its just lumped under another system as a never really talked about sub system. It makes sense as a component of structural integrity.
I doubt a technology from 200 years in the past would be dug up amd implemented in a meaningful way, compared to a technology that has soon 200 years of continual development as standard ship tech.
It's just that by the TOS era the weapons commonly used and faced are so powerful that nothing short of shields or magic mystery metal will stand up to them, including the latest in hull polarization, a technology so basic and integrated its pretty much always on unless the ship is completely dead in the water, yet is so out classed by the weapons being faced that the hull can still be punched through as soon as the shields drop.
@@DrewLSsix Except that they did dig up ablative armor, which is modern tank armor tech.
@@danpitzer765 the general means of operation may be the same (shedding armor) but the chemistry and physics behind it is probably very different from modern tank armor. Meanwhile hull polarisation seems like a more specific technology.
I think hull polarisation was mentioned a couple of times in TNG/VOY/DS9, it just wasn't used as defensive technology but some kind of techbobabble solution. So I agree with the other person that hull polarisation may be so ineffective by the 24th century that its only use is as a solution to some kind of scientific problem rather than as defence. It's still a standard feature on ships though.
protostar: we put in two warp cores and v6 hemi.
Warboys chanting: "V8, V8"
Insert a LS-Meme here, along the lines: Local man swaps Sun for LS || It has more power and is more reliable - said the madlad.
Paris: dude, it’s got a hemi!
Jankom: Does this ship have a Hemi in it?
Holo-Janeway: You're about to find out.
@@maxkaufmann974 You CAN find an LS in anything. I've seen 'em in motorcycles lol.
Well judging by the footage of hull getting shredded by asteroids, the ship could use some ablative armor from voyager.
Or maybe just a navigational deflector array.
If that would have been a Star destroyer these asteroids would have destroyed the Bridge.
So ablative armor only works against energy weapons. It's meant to dissipate heat as it vaporizes away. Really useful against the borg, not so much against an asteroid. It'd just crumple and shear like hull plating.
That was the Defiant.
yep! ANOTHER example of NOT using all available tech previously shown on Trek.
From what I understand, it's not just the slip-and-fall issue that keeps stairs from being too common on ships. That's an avoidable problem too, but the bigger issue is that it's harder to secure a staircase than it is a ladder: even if you have enough space to make the stairwell its own separate room with sealable hatches on both ends, it's more efficient to just put a hatch on the floor that the crew can seal off if needed.
not to avoidable if the ship gets hit by a photon torpedo when your on those steps , that being said even the Enterprise D has stairwell's in the schematics .for when the turbo lifts are out and you cant fit into jefferies tubes there are stairwells on star ships you can use to get from point A to B.
Also the ships are rather large with many decks. Small cities almost. Getting from one end of the ship to another on foot using stairs in a reasonable amount of time will require you being a triathlete if there's an emergency. They'd be for emergency use or security training for the most part. Look how lazy our level of tech has made us. Imagine them? 🤣
stairwells size requirement is less relevent to a society that uses forcefields as emergency bulkheads, as long as there is an enclosed entrance to the stairs you can just slap field generators into the entry to the stairs and seal off both ends
I personally would not call polarised Hull plating antiquated, yes the tech itself is pretty old by ST standards but has been proven to reduce Hull damage when it comes to direct hits and with technology it can be greatly improved as time goes on.
On a normal ship, when a warp core fails you've got a rather nasty explosion to deal with. Bad to be sure, but limited in scope.
On this ship, when gravametric containment fails, you've got a gravitational hazard that can destabilise a star system.
If it fails during warp?
Let's just say you've ruined a lot of people's day.
And think of the extreme measures it would take to decommission this thing at the end of its service life!
What's not to love?😅
I don’t comprehend Starfleet’s need to use power sources that are so insanely dangerous.
The transporter / replicator technology can break solid matter down into energy. They literally have a machine that converts matter directly to energy. They should have a matter furnace instead of antimatter reactors or exotic systems like this one.
It can’t blow the ship up if it fails and literally anything will work as fuel.
Kind of like Romulans using micro black holes to power their warp drives?
@@jamesp8164 Exactly. The classical warp core is already a matter/antimatter reactor. There is no way that a fusion engine is more powerful then that.
This ship is much worse than the romulan war bird in this regard. A warbird carries an artificial singularity sure, but let's examine the risks associated with that and compare it to the available alternatives...
The primary risk associted with a black hole is its extreme gravity and mass, but contrary to popular perception, stellar masses are not required to build a black hole artificially. In theory a black hole could be made by applying very very high energy to an extremely small volume.
Indeed destroyed romulan ships on the show never exhibit extreme gravity either
A small artificially created black hole, like a kugleblitz, doesnt need to be all that massive as its schwarzchild radius wouldnt need to envelope a large volume for it to manifest in real space as an event horizon.
Given the small scale, a black hole of this size would also evaporate relatively quickly. (Edit: in about 5 years according to wikipedia)
black hole battery debris is still a far worse prospect than a short lived antimatter generator explosion, and such sigularity based tech should only be consideed a viable choice if antimatter generation isnt available as an option.
A black hole of this size, if left in free space, wouldn't have a particulary large gravity well and wouldnt really be a problem unless it crashed into somthing, like a planet or a star. If it does, your going to have a real problem on your hands as it slowly consumes whatever it collided with over the next 1000 years or so. So they are potentially very hazardous if not handled correctly.
By contrast, a protostar would definately need a stellar mass to exist and have a huge gravity well that can imediatly desturb planitary orbits sytem wide once containment is breached. Also an object like this is going to flood the area with all kinds of radiation and the star itself going to stick around in some form untill the heat death of the universe.
Another thing to consider is what happens if containment fails whilst the ship is at warp.
If a ship with a mini substellar black hole aboard is destroyed whilst at warp your left with a small black hole moving at relativistic speed through the galaxy. Potentially hiting somthing on its path. On the up side the chances of it actually hitting somthing are quite low and given the estimated life of the black hole itself, this would likely only have an effective range of 5 light years (potential relativistic effects not withstanding)
If a ship carrying a protostar is destroyed whilst at warp, the inertial shock acting on the star may cause a nova event that, because of its relativistic speed, will be blue shifted right up into the high energy cosmic wave band of the electromagnetic spectrium.
This wave, or pulse, will radiate outward in a cone shape along the ships heading potentially superheating and irradiating any planetary atmospheres within the cone for an effective range of about 100 light years.
A radiative dispersion pattern will cover a much larger area than a single projectile and as such this effect is signicantly more likely to hit somthing. (Not to mention the shot gun blast of super dense stellar fragments ejected by such an explosion)
🤔 yep I'd say any ethical star fairing civilisation should consider the inherent duty of care to the larger galactic community before building a ship like this and the fact that starfleet went ahead a built one anyway is damning evidence against them as an institution.
The romulans don't come out of this looking good here either, but the protostar vessel wins this dangerous design award hands down.
No small wonder that the tortured ghost of Kathryn Janeway haunts its cursed halls.
@@TalesOfWar It’s always kind of bugged me that we see destroyed warbirds explode. They should implode instead.
God: Finally, the starship I've been waiting for.
"What does God need a starship for?"
@@Mate397 God: Isn't it obvious? To go really really fast. And to have a hologram of my queen.
Honestly the ship impressed me the most on the show, but the show overall was way better than I expected it to be and can't wait to see more. That Maru episode was so nostalgic and well put together as an aging fan was awesome to see and is one of my top ten episodes of trek now.
The polarized hull plating is good backup in case the navigational deflectors go offline unexpectedly, or even the regular deflectors, for that matter. Plus, it helps if a KKV somehow gets through the shields.
Yeah the protostar the first star fleet vessel that actually helps you take it over instead of only being extremely easy to take over like all the other ships in the fleet
Funnily enough, the protostar is probably what happens when you let human engineers loose.
Vulcan: We can optimise our warp-core by 1.5% with calibrations
Human 1: What? nah, fuck that, let's plug in two warp-cores, into the same ship!
Vulcan: but that is both dangerous and destabilising...
Human 2: Just 2 warp-cores? Make it 3 warp cores!!!
Vulcan: You're just asking for trouble...
Human 1: 3 warp-cores is boring though, I know! What if we put in a black hole in our ship!
Human 2: but the Romulans already have that, we need to do something different. What if we screw the "dead star" in the middle of our ship and have a proto-star instead!
Vulcan: YOU REALISE THAT IF IT EXPLODES IT WOULD TAKE OUT HALF A STAR-SYSTEM?
Human 1 and 2: That's what's cool about it! Hold our beer!
Vulcan: Bloody hell, and we'll probably actually learn something from it. Screw humans, and screw starfleet.
Tbf... "FYI if you blow up our ship we WILL take you and half the system with us - at least" sounds like a good way to start a battle xD
That is why Humans outpace the Vulcans, even if the Romulans, who were perfectly justified to commit genocide, didn't destroy their planet. Humans would take risks that help them advance faster than just pure thought. Technically you need both. Caution and planning to prevent people from destroying the galaxy, but willing to try something new.
That's why you keep Corbomite on board.
Then discovery just boops in out of nowhere and teleports so fast its like fighting a whole fleet 😂
good refresher of an old ST joke
I think the stairs are just due to the small size of the ship. The Protostar is basically a runabout to which someone welded on two photon torpedoes and a stolen Romulan protostar core.
Stairs don't fail when the power does. Stairs don't jam when something hits the ship hard enough to warp the frame. Stairs let dozens of crewmembers to use them simultaneously when running like hell to battle stations. Barring the aircraft and weapons elevators on carriers, warships don't have stairs, and even carriers only have elevators because bombs and planes are notoriously bad at walking :P
What is the official size of the Protostar? In the new previews it is seen next to the Dauntless, and the Dauntless dwarfs it. If it is the same size as the Dauntless from the Voyager episode, it's slightly smaller than an Intrepid class ship. So, seriously, what are we looking at? Perhaps 100 meters long? Much like modern buildings, perhaps elevators were deemed somewhat unnecessary for day-to-day movement. Walking up and down 15 decks in an Intrepid would suck, but when 90% of the ship is on decks 2-5 it's pretty doable.
“Stairs can be an issue if you’re dealing with things like this”
- Cuts away to it suddenly raining rocks on the Bridge -
I think what they were trying to say is that with artificial gravity involved stairs could become a major hazard to safe crew transport during emergency turbulence. If you are struggling to walk a few feet on a flat surface then I imagine it would be nearly impossible to go up or down stairs without constantly falling over.
@@kylepessell1350 And Yet military naval ships use stairs.
Use naval vessel style stairs, not office building style.
I think the issue is there is just no room for a turbo lift, so they are forced to use stairs to conserve space.
ITs a hightech ship with 99% of it being hightech... Theres got to be something they can't fit in.
The intrepid class did have a shuttle replicator so that it could produce all those shuttles that Voyager seemed to have
yup, it had an "industrial replicator" in its cargo bay. This is the core reason why it was labeled a "deep space exploration vessel" and why the Galaxy class could never have survived alone without a friendly repair station like Voyager did.
@@sh4d0wfl4re Yeah, I'd figured they'd replicated parts and one of the Engineering jobs was assembling them. I'd figured that when the Delta Flyer was being built where the issue wasn't building a smaller craft, but that they were building a new design that might be a waist of resources.
Yeah, they seem to have endless supply of crap.
And the infinite supply of torpedoes that didn't come with the ship.
A very nice design, breakdown, and the perfect ships for a bunch of kids to find
Yes starfleet does make it easier with every generation of ship to take it over it even helps you now xD
Given how slow cruise speeds are on things like the Nova class It's nice to see more small, fast ships from Starfleet.
But you don't have one complaint, you have many. That is what makes your channel great.
I like it in general; I'm glad that they made the ship cool-looking for the kids' sake. When I was a kid, "cool" designs were a must for the adventure cartoons of the 60's. We were lucky that the adult producers at that time knew damn well what was Cool. This is one of the few such shows I've seen in recent history.
One thing to note is that, by the very nature of the protostar it uses as its main source of energy, it means the Protostar rely, for its warping, not to mater.anti-mater reaction, but on Fusion, instead.
0:29 maybe the reason they don't put all their new tech into a ship is because everytime they do that, the ship ends up stranded either in time or in another quadrant ? XD
Enteprise (galaxy class): stranded when met the borg
Enteprise (sovereign class): stranded in time during first contact
Voyager: Delta quadrant
At some point, some people are going to get supersticious XD
Phased cloak: stranded inside an asteroid
sporedrive stranded in the mirroruniverse and later the bloody future
Temporal agents start saying "Oh God, they invented new crap, get ready for the paperwork..."
Stairs are actually very useful especially in a power failure situation where they allow you easy access accross the ship with out having to navigate Jeffery tubes
Gravity has only gone out once from what I remember, even on derelict ships. Ramps, but with gravity at the corresponding angle would be best, so it just feels flat.
was skeptical at first but the ship is indeed great.
given its size i would love to see a full deck layout for the vessel especially since Season 2 doesn't seem to return to it.
The single landing leg was new but a cool idea and the vehicle replicator a really cool idea in my opinion. The Protostar would be a type of ship i would like to see in a special operative role. Fast, versatile, able to provide training and recreation on its holodeck. The vehicle replicator can provide all special equipment on the run so the ship can quickly adapt. The drive and size allowing it to go anywhere it needs to very fast while carrying shields and weapons comparable to a larger starship. Perfectly suited for hit and run maneuvers.
It even allows to be operated with a minimal crew which we could all keep track of if it should be made into a show. No need for some unknown crewmember roles.
Or, say take a large spaceframe, add warp and quantum slipstream drive, use polarized hull plating covered by quantum armor and regenerating shield generators. Add either temporal or quantum phasing torpedoes to go through enemy shields. Use either an anti proton beam derived from the Planet Killer or the plasma lightning of species 8472 as a spinal weapon. And then give it a 3 nacelle design to give it plenty of power for phasers. Include the Federation phase cloak. Give it industrial replicators to rebuild torpedo stocks from any handy asteroid belt. Use an AI to reduce the needed size of the crew (one that works this time).
Thank you! The Protostar is just another "Hey, here's something new!" There's a LOT of things that could have been added.
One practical use for stairs on a Starship is that during an emergency, if main power is lost, the crew can still move between decks without having to crawl through Jeffries Tubes. Since Turbo Lifts need power to operate, having stairs means that the crew can still move around during a power outage.
Also, where large pieces of equipment, or people who have to remain lying down when injured, cannot be crammed into a Turbo Lift, or beamed away during loss of power situations, stairs allow the crew to (quite literally) move around these problems.
It kind-of bugs me that "a baby star" is somehow this amazing power system when Romulan Warbirds are powered by _black holes_ and are not "better" than standard Federation Starfleet warp cores. There's got to be something else going on with the Protostar to explain its super-warp functionality.
One thing I _love_ about the series, though, is the way that it truly highlights the amazing impact the universal translator - and the availability of such on the tiny comm badges - has on life and exploration.
It's all about the Plasma. A protostar is one helluva massive fusion reactor creating high quality plasma. A Matter/Antimatter core creates plasma through the complete annihilation of matter with antimatter (leaving Trilithium as a byproduct.) The Singularity cores of the Romulans creates plasma through acceleration of matter towards the core and they scoop it out before passing the accretion disk. It's not the same quality plasma so it won't be able to be as power efficient.
It's like the difference between the octane ratings in gasoline.
Yea...that tech has for some reason really got the shaft, even though I'd say it is a far more impressive technological feat considering that not only did they CREATE a singularity but also contain it and harness its power to the fullest.
It could be any number of things, really. Personally, I always assumed Romulan singularity cores were much smaller than naturally occurring black holes, and I don't think it's ever been explained how energy is actually extracted from them. They certainly don't just passively radiate energy the way a star does.
@@justinthompson6364 Read my previous post. It's all about the Plasma
@@justinthompson6364 Yeah as I understand it, the Romulan singularity core uses a black hole that is too small to self-sustain outside of their power system. Without careful controls it would evaporate quickly into radiation. So yes, it's powerful but nothing approaching stellar-class.
Great episode! Very informative and positive.
I totally agree with you with the other models. I understand the specific models if there were "chip" or other imporstant material shortages.....but....there ain't!
There is really no reason that each ship cannot have the best of the best other than for plot aka story reasons. Hell if the Oberth class wasn't the way it is, how many TH-cam vids would we not have trashing it or rescuing it? So I'm sure we know the "why" but these are the same reasons that this future starts looking grim.
But yes, there's no reason a Protostar shouldn't be looking for a stolen Protostar when there's literally vehicle replicators on board this ship!
What could a stand alone unit make with the exponential power of a starship standing by on a planet or shipyard?
Thanks again Mr. LR!
I really like Prodigy. It actually feels like Star Trek, only for kids
Me too, i hope we get a second season
Interesting design.
We love the protostar!
It's a good vessel!
Chief designer? Admiral Xzibit.
Hey that Protostar engine could have really helped in Discovery S3.
Well it uses a literal star to work so I’m gona say it’s not that good a ship to have everywhere
Boy, this ship looks cool.
3:00 The most scientifically advanced thing that humanity has ever created, with food replicators, holodecks, warp drive, and they can even 3D print an entire spacecraft from inside this ship but they still can't build a ship big enough for everyone to have a comfortable room to themselves?
Well, it's already powered by a star. To fit comfortably all the crew it would need to be... bigger inside than outside. Now where did I heard this before ?
Yeah this always bothered me in Star Trek in general. Space is big, you can make ships as big as you want and even if you couldn't, I would rather have what is essentially a closet or sleeping tube to myself then have to share a larger (but still tiny room with a work level relationship. Also, I never understood the size of standard beds and doors on starfleet vessels. Sure, average humans fit on/through them okay but I can't imagine a taller human fitting on one of those ensigne level bunk beds, let alone an average sized or larger klingon (and you just know that klingons fight in their sleep).
@@zachcrawford5 Just imagine a Klingon sharing a room with a human and accidentally stabbing their bunk mate with the bat'leth they sleep with while in the middle of a dream battle.
That was basicaly Galaxy Class minus 3d printing. Though holodeck in some episodes was pretty close
I think it can all be traced back to Gene Roddenberry's Naval experience. Basically he probably saw a fleet of ships as covering all the bases. I actually kind of like that angle as I never wanted to see "God ships" that are all powerful. Plus the Miranda / Nova classes of Starship are somewhat modular in their ability to be outfitted with different setups depending on their mission.
This. These aren't TARDIS vessels
Great vid, I do wonder if hull polarization is standard in federation ships as a passive thing, since many that lose their shields still take a beating :)
Also,
Little story on the protostar core that you might be interested in:
I was on twitter musing (to myself aloud) that a protostar doesn't really make much sense as a gimmick power source because a typical warp engine of the era, and a romulan singularity core should have superior output to a protostar, especially one that small.
Randomly one of the writers noticed the tweet and said, 'what if it's a special protostar ;)'. (yes the winky face emote was included).
I left it at that as it is a kids show, don't wanna nerd too hard when its just a bit of fun ^^
Polarized Plating first seen in ST Enterprise was the only defenses they had until later in the show when they developed the first deflector screens, energy fields projected off the hull hugging the ship. Various Mk. of deflector screens continued through the Star Trek U until in Star Trek Motion Picture they rolled out Shields an energy bubble shield. The armor on this ship looks less like polarized plating and more like the advanced anti Borg Plating from the last episode of Voyager.
You typically don't abandon a tech unless it give no advantage. Polarized plating would still be used after Enterprise, it added structural integrity to the ship and I don't doubt that this tech as time went on was just always on, not something that was turned on, especially as energy production improved this also may have lead to the structural integrity fields of STtng era. When Screens were developed plating probably became a yellow alert activation as were red alert was for screens. By the time of STO plating may have simple become standard and always on. By the movies screens were yellow alert level and the new shields became red alert status.
Maybe "screen and shields" mentioned in TMP referred to polarizing the hull plating and activating shields, respectively?
@@olympicnut Decker points this out calling it "screens and shield" referring to their former new form of protection that had just saved them. In Star Trek TOS they often referred to deflectors as screens.
Sulu comments after Veger's first attack that the "new" screens held. Kirk then calls down to Scout as Veger's next shot is coming and asks if the shield will hold. "Our shields will not survive another attack."
The concept of polarized plating was strictly a ST Enterprise invention. Good for canon I like it, to showcase the development of defensive tech through Starfleet History.
But screens are deflectors, and shields are the energy bubble shield that we seen in everything after TMP, the rest of the movies, STtng, DS9, STV, and all the STtng movies.
IMO, since the TMP era, Starfleet likely took the same advice that Kirk gave to Commander Spock in the Mirror Universe. Don't expand too far&too fast if you don't have the logistics to back up that expansion. So Scotty&Spock had known about Transwarp since the Kelvans had modded the Enterprise in trying to return back to the Andromeda galaxy. While the Enterprise's engines were modded with those transwarp modifications, the Excelsior was designed from the ground up to take advantage of those mods as well as anything related to going beyond Faster than Warp technologies like phase shifting the ship to bypass the Warp10 barrier of infinite speed. The Excelsior always had the capability to travel transwarp just that it's been disabled. It's more likely that the warp engine's intermix ratios&warp field configuration just needs to be deployed. The different formulas are in the ship's main computers&needed to be compiled so that the resulting formulas for the ship to travel in transwarp works. Just like Scotty's Transwarp beaming formula, the transporters are more than capable of performing beyond what it was originally designed to do since it's true features are disabled or not even operating together properly. So post TMP era, if Scotty/Spock or the Enterprise ever find themselves in another universe, galaxy or time, a Starfleet capital ship's main computer probably has the data on calculating to travel faster than warp or time travel it just needs to compile that formula specificly for the ship's warp engines&nacelle's warp field. Spock can even do it in his head and he was even able to do it with an old Klingon BOP.
Faster than God himself, great line, thanks
About the polarized hull plating... yes its "old" tech but put it this way; would you rather be in a ship where if the shields are taken down all you have is the standard armour that will take the full force of an impact at the point of collision, or that same armour but with the added passive ability to dissipate the energy of an impact lessening the damage and buying a bit extra time to get shields working again?
I do think we need to see what Starfleet can really come up with, if aloud to just run with it.. im hoping that's what the section 31 show will have, ships that will just blow us away with tech.
the polarized hull plating is really interesting, it does get to something federation ships have always failed at. federation ships whenever their shields failed always suffered horribly, their hulls were very fragile to weapons of their era, but in Enterprise we see that by running a massive electrical current through the plating, the hull would polarize and be resistant to almost any amount of damage in the same way shields work, by using built in capacitors, the hull could tank hits by flooding targeted areas with electricity to extreme amounts basically cranking up density and energy to match any force applied by the weapon fire. less effective against missiles and torpedos, but still better than just metal plates. we see federation ships go to shields because they arent limited by much of the constraints of hull plating and allow for a ship to be built lighter, faster, more manuverable, and more adaptable. the idea of shields is just better in every way, and shield output is directly related to how much power you can give it, even taking energy straight from the warp drive in energencies. whats neat though, the protostar works on a principle of limitless energy. while its not literally limitless, it might as well be for practical purposes. and when dealing with that degree of energy surplus, and the enhanced hull plating already being needed for the velocities their traveling, as transwarp does have a physical effect on a ships hull, especially if the wave function collapses and they are thrust back into normal space. well if all the pieces are already there, then there is no harm in adding the polarized hull plating as just a further back up. im sure the show will show off this antiquated tech actually saving them. its just a case of why not. youve got the power, the infrastructure already has to be there, so why not go ahead and have it. even if the benefit is nill, theres no reason to not have it.
This seems more like a technology test bed than a fully fleshed out a starship.
I love how you troll us with the grammar in your thumbnail :P
I always wanted them to build a Battlestar type ship loaded up with half a dozen Defiants
1) Stairs are also bad for accessibility. Admiral Pike in his chair would probably have issues with stairs.
2) Polarizing a hull alone is antiquated, but when you polarize the hull AND use Ablative armor, it's even MORE effective.
the Protostar is further confirmation of it being Kelvinverse.
I mean… you didn’t even mention it had Voy’s equipment replicator. That’s how they always had a fresh squadron of new shuttle craft in the Delta quadrant lol
I did!
Only complaint I have is that there's an Admiral Janeway and no Federation Borg tech involved. Voyager made it home after all, the most advanced Federation ships should include that tech.
I assumed some time ago that the structural integrity field polarized the hull plating. This gives some protection when the shields are down. If not, a single photon torpedo should vaporize the ship instantly. (They are anti-matter bombs, after all)
Great review and editing.
Thanks for sharing.
Your voice sounds like so very familiar, do you happen to have any other channels?
Power of a "baby star"... That mean this also has its own version of the Trek version of a Deathstar Cannon on a Star Destroyer too??
More likely it's a knockoff of Romulan Singularity Core tech: the Romulan ships run on black holes
@@mikehendon7327 yeah... Which I guess means one wrong move and these Fed ships go Nova while these turn into Blackholes... Might as well not even have escape pods or anything similar. Since any planet you beamed too would get vaccumed into God knows how small a space hole or vaporized in a flaming plasma blast wave. Never seen an escape craft in Scifi escape those sorta effects UNLESS they were almost outta danger already anyways
I would have an auxiliary craft replicator only as a last resort or backup. The typical system would consist of an extremely powerful and long range transporter that just teleports craft as needed from Star base or dry dock somewhere. There would also be weapons that work like that. Single use phasers or torpedo launchers are transported into position, fired, and then transported back to be repaired if they aren’t destroyed by the enemy. The ship would only be as big as it needs to be, and space inside of it would be increased using some crazy advanced technobabble thing that’s basically just a science version of those tents from Harry Potter.
So basically the TARDIS from Dr Who lol
So they didn't add the adaptive armor of the Voyager as shown in Admiral Janeway's diaries, they didn't use the quantum torpedoes, none of the advancements of the wars against the Dominion, none of the adaptations against several species from the Delta Quadrant, none of that stuff.
So this is what is considered Starfleet's most advanced vessel? Seems pretty dumb to me.
Typical Startrek technobabble with no rhyme or reason for any of their decisions.
mh sure its nice to have a ship where you can put everything into that you have avaliable... but then you may have to come up with a big ass ship, that can use nothing of it because it may not be able to go anywhere... I mean, sure, you CAN build an aircraftcvarrier with triple railguns like the Iowa-class once had, hell, if you wanna to you can makle it submergeable and if you completly loose your mind, strap huge fans on its side and make it fly like in the Avengers. Problem is you will come to a point when all of this just doesn't work and if you forget about stupid stuff like money or manpower, you will have to face the fact that it still needs fuel for all this, however it is powered in the end.
And even if they barley mention it, even Starfleet needs fuel in form of antimatter or deuterium for their ships, especially because their tech magic...not to mention that SF knows the value of having ships that dont need to be able to can anything, because in most situations it isn't needed or appropiate.
Assuming they're not just technobabbling and actually mean the ship houses a protostar for power, it's unlikely the ship would ever need to refuel in its lifetime. That's an entire star system's worth of reaction mass, if you believe they could actually cram one on board _without_ catastrophic consequences.
@@justinthompson6364 I honestly assume the power output of this one ship is likely insane. And the primary reason it has all the bells and whistles it does. Lots of experimental tech at the smallest footprint possible, and then massive replicators to back up anything that's missing. You don't get large scale replicators elsewhere since in a ship big enough to handle the power requirements by the conventional means, you may as well just use the space for a simpler shuttle bay.
@@Jerhevon Perhaps, but even by Trek standards, a protostar represents an extraordinary amount of energy- an order of magnitude _of orders of magnitude_ beyond even the most power-hungry constructs I can think of. Forget shuttlecraft, this would represent enough energy to replicate millions of Earth-sized planets by even the most conservative estimate.
I wonder why the Romulans didn't use proto stars vs the mini black holes. 🤔 Also how does one equal insane speed while the other doesn't?
Because it makes no sense. A rotating black hole does. Toss in matter at a variable rate and the accretion disk does the rest. Rotating black holes are something like 48% efficient in converting matter to energy. The only thing more efficient is antimatter/matter at 100%
Which is why using a "proto star" aka matter collapsing in on itself and beginning fusion, makes no sense. That's a step back by 500 years in the Star Trek timeline. Instead of using antimatter/matter cores.. they're using fusion which is 0.7% efficient (matter to energy conversion, not energy in » energy out efficiency).
@@ericalbers4867 well the Protostar isn't being utilized as the sole power source, there fore you can put all it's energy into speed so it can pump that energy into ONE thing and not powering the whole ship. or at least that is how I make sense of it.
@@jeremydelaughter5127 I would see that being useful if it were something else. Say, another warp core. At only 0.7% efficiency compared to antimatter/matter reactions in order to get the same power output you'd need a protostar core that's magnitudes larger. It would be like wanting a jet to go faster so you put a propeller on it powered by a guy using bike pedals. Or throwing a bottle rocket on a Saturn V lmao
Those energy levels are still closer to each other than fusion vs. antimatter/matter. Might as well have a primary and smaller secondary warp core. Save space, weight, complexity. I digress, the name sounds cool and the ship looks amazing.
Hey, remember that one time when we stuff the biggest phaser and warp core into a tiny ship, let's do it again but instead put a third nacelle and instead weapons, some advance technology and stuff.
If Starfleet used ALL tech it would be cool to see them steal stuff that Section31 uses. Like 31’s transporter tech that allowed Sloan to beam around without being detected. And I imagine 31 has weaponry and sensor tech that is in a class of its own.
So how would this vessel be different from a Romulan singularity drive? One uses a new star and one uses a collapsed star. It's ingenious to be sure, but I'm not sure it's new.
You assume the writers of the show even know about Romulan ships and how they work...
@@Mate397 That's a good point. 😶
@@Mate397 lol
Most starfleet vessels have polarized hulls. Advancing weapons technology has just made it obsolete?
I love it
I wonder if the "polarized hull" is some new variant on the tech, to see if it can be improved in a way that makes it worth having once again. The USS Protostar was a test bed vessel, after all.
Stairs on a Federation Starship are not at all shocking, considering that they do a lot for aesthetics that aren't practical. And, to be honest, rolling down a ramp isn't going to be much better, especially if the ramp is as steep as it would need to be to fit in the same space as stairs. Ramps would actually be greater tripping hazards. And if multiple levels serve any purpose at all, having stairs or ladders or ramps are your non-turbolift options. The captain's quarters being so much more luxurious than everyone else's is the big thing that's "weird" to me, since it's a jump not to merely privacy but to luxury. It might make sense if the captain is meant to actually be a near-admiral semi-retired teacher, though, while the rest of the crew is to be cadets. At that point, the teaching vessel is really the captain's personal home and the students are still just students.
I think the next logical step in the holotech for ships, though, will be making individual crew quarters into very compact holodecks. Just enough room for a real head, small closet/set of drawers, and bunk, with maybe enough extra space to stand in the middle and not be able to touch the walls. Then, their personal quarters can be holographic, expanded to near-infinite size for perceptual purposes, with a luxurious bed and bathroom suite and plenty of room for anything they want to do. (Having parties might still disrupt the illusion, depending on real physical space, but they could invite their friends to come over via a holographically-linked hallway from their own quarters, and then interact via holograms.)
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well done
Why haven't anyone tried to transport or mess with a warp core whenever enemy ship's shield is down
Warp core generally seems to be about 2 stories tall. I think you'd need a starbase just to hold that transporter array.
@@danpitzer765 I believe there's also shields in play inside the core.
You don't even necessarily need a lock to weaponize transporters. Just kinda grab whatever is in the area of engineering and yank it out until the ship is disabled or blows up.
It's not terribly interesting for a TV show though, which is probably why they don't do stuff like that.
Being post Voyager, it should have had Iso Kinetic cannons, phase torpedoes, that replicated ablative armour, faster quantum slipstream, and even maybe the zero point energy warp system from the Dauntless. Surely they made a study of that before escaping.
Just thinking, what about the propulsion system and the special weapon of the Xindi? The Andorrans took the 2nd prototype, what happened to it?
Pretty sure the Discovery is technically the most advanced considering the spore drive and all the future tech it has.
And yet it was left there to gather crystal dust for YEARS. Nobody even tried to look for it until a proto-warp jump was picked up...
I believe the current theory is that it's from the future, and so they wouldn't be looking for it cause they didn't know about it, until they picked up the signature.
Time travel shenanigans.
@@rhodrage I dunno about that, doesn't really work with the fact that Janeway was looking for Chakotay who was clearly declared MIA by that point. Plus doesn't explain what happened to the crew, because I highly doubt the robot guy (forgot his name) slaughtered everyone but before leaving made sure to clean up all the blood and guts.
@@Mate397 It's a bit confusing cause we're told it's in the 2480's. But the ship was hidden for over 17years. But that would have been before even Voyager even got to the Delta Quadrant. So there has to be time travel somewhere.
@@rhodrage Or the more likely solution is that the writers simply screwed up the dates.
@@Mate397 Then how about this.
From the federations perspective it had only recently gone missing. And what actually happened was it had gone back in time. That's why they only just started looking for it, cause to them it wasn't years at all.
I'm betting the "training advisor" has a convenient A.I. uprising protocol given that its Janeway
I can think of one technologie missing right on the spot.
The armor future Admiral Janeway brought back in the Voyager finale. Federation still should habe acces to it thince timeshinanigance is always a thing
I think future tech is banned cause of issues it would cause to the timeline.
There were stairs in the original schematic for the Constitution-class Enterprise. And with a bowling alley and swimming pool.
If they were _really_ using all their tech, the interior of a shop would be one huge holodeck they make an infinite number of rooms out of.
I don't know about stairs, but every ship should at least have ladders connecting every deck in case of power failure.
Captain: Does this ship have all the best good stuff of our 24th century technology?
Number 1: Aye Captain!
Captain: Where are my seat belts?
Number 1:
nice.... I wonder how many micro black holes the test phase produced after prototype containment field failed
Wouldn't polarized hull plating be a good backup if the main shields failed? Antiquated yes but it would keep u in the fight longer.
Everything you say up until 0:42 is exactly why I was so baffled at the complaints that the fleet that shows up in the S1 finale of PIC is all one class of ship. The Curiosity class is “the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship that Starfleet has ever put into service” (and that’s unlikely to be an idle boast or bluff, because Riker knows how deeply the Zhad Vash infiltrated Starfleet Command). If they’ve finally figured out how to put the best of everything into one complete package, and they’ve got enough of those to assemble an armada, why should they bring along lesser ships for the ride?
NX experimental testbed ships aren't "in service"? idk
Considering what we know about the history of Starfleet it is highly unlikely that they would build so many of them. They would mass produce smaller ships, like the Mirandas or even the Excelsiors, and build maybe a dozen or two of the really advanced stuff.
Edit: also considering the whole debacle with Mars i am not even sure they can build that many of them in a relatively small time frame.
@@tortenschachtel9498 To your first paragraph, the whole point of the intro of this video is calling Starfleet out for the folly of that approach.
To the edit, perhaps it strains credibility but we very clearly saw that they did.
To me, the biggest mistake Starflleet every made was to outlaw cloaking technology. for an organization that loves exploring AND the prime directive, there really is no better tech if trying to observe in anonymity also... pretty convenient to avoid trouble :)
Polarized hull plating actually does make sense alongside shielding. You see, shields aren't perfect, and so polarized hull plating will allow the hull to take more hits through the shield and not be damaged as severely.
The training hologram is not the admiral version, is the captain version.
The Protostar class is what happens when the head of Starfleet Ship Design forces everyone to stop getting distracted on vanity project for random captains and admirals who want stuff like a NX-01 refit dragged upto sufficient enough 23rd century combat.
I said it for years why don't they have replicators to make ships and spare warp-core multiple warp cores. Similar to the romulans using black holes which is very dangerous. But I like the idea keep up the good work. Thank you
Lets see. 4000 lightyears in minutes. That's 40K lightyears in tens of minutes. Round that up to an hour. The Voyager crew was less than 80K lightyears from Earth. So...this thing could have got the Voyager home by dinner time rather than in nearly a century? Talk about one hell of a technology jump.
So how did it get lost so kids could find it?
@@jefferydaniels6717 probably by a automated testing malfunction.
Most likely that or they evacuated when the main core over loaded when they where about to jump.
@@jefferydaniels6717 that is one of the main mysteries of the show to watch for the answer to.
Hm wonder why Admiral Jainway might have been involved
And of course Starfleet _manages to lose it…_
Given that it helps aliens take it over it feels like they wanted to loose it
My thoughts are that its the ship version of a Mary Sue, screaming at everyone "TAKE ME SERIOUSLY, I'M NOT JUST AN ANIMATED SERIES CLEARLY APPEALING TO KIDS!!!"
first time i hear about a ship that has everything top notch and includes regular stairs XD
Love the holographic display on the bridge, but why isn't it a 360 degree view? You could have the crew walking on the stars, or more realistically, just a small baseplate with the consoles and command chair and assorted equipment on it, surrounded by an almost 360 degree holographic display - sort of like the way the inside of "Cerebro" from the newer X-Men movies is set up.
Cool ship! Is it from the cartoon? That cartoon footage is tough to look at, and doesn’t make me want to watch, but otherwise I like the video, so thanks.
I can see the Defiant in ds9 having some less than stellar sensors. Something has to give when creating a warship.
where is this displayed/shown, so that I may learn more? And are you sure it's the fastest? Faster than slipstream tech?
Isnt a warp core ( anti matter reactor) meant to put out more power than a star.....?
Yea, it's basically a fusion generator. Warp cores output drastically more power.
"It's"? Mistake or clickbait?
I was gonna click anyway, man. XD
Voyager would be up there as well , i know the ship is old but there shields are from the future aka future janeway
Juggernaut Class Fabri-Carrier -- The Inner Core of the ship is a giant replicator that is used to produce starships. The inner core is surrounded by an outer core consisting of replicators and holographic projectors that are used to maintain and repair the inner core and the outer layers of the ship. The outer layers of the ship are mostly holographic and have decks to hold the starships generated by the core.
The system is powered by two artificial wormholes -- one connecting to a star ready to go nova and the other to an anti-matter black hole... The Power Core mixes the matter and anti-matter from the two wormholes providing a near limitless supply of energy.
All Starships are equipped with chronoton generators, and are engineered to travel backwards through time upon launch so that they seemingly arrive at their destination INSTANTANEOUSLY. All Photon Torpedos are similarly equipped. If taken by surprise, ships are launched and sent backward in time and position themselves before the attack so that they arrive behind enemy ships and attack immediately after they were launched.
Stairs are great for a ship meant to go into combat. Sure, the ride can get bumpy but if you need to get somewhere and the turbolifts lose power, get wrecked. Stairs always work unless the stairwell is pretty much destroyed. That's why current warships use a lot of stairs. The few elevators are used to move cargo, not people.
Smaller than an Intrepid, bunk beds, a prototype faster-than-warp drive, average phaser banks, the ability to create new shuttlecraft on demand...this screams "scout", or "courier" at best. When you have to cross the Milky Way galaxy in just a week to warn each quadrant's main civilization about an impending threat, or gather diplomats for a galaxy-wide forum.
This is what my problem is. To make a good fantasy, there needs to be rules. That was why the Romulan D'deridex Warbird was beautiful. There was a reason why there was an empty space. Warp nacelles need a direct line of sight to initiate a warp bubble. And that is why I hated the ship in DS9, because some of them violated long establish rules. If they are going to use a protostar to power the ship, it needs to be like the Romulan warbird, and be massive.
my question is, how much did you complain about the prometheus basically being the same thi g?
Nowadays you can't expect consistency from the "modern audience".
These ships sound more like pleasure yachts than ship that would be put out as a tool for any organised military.