How much ammo should preppers store for SHTF or economic collapse?
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The one reason I stockpile large amounts of ammo is the possibility of the government making it un obtainable. I like the idea of having a enough ammo to last me for the rest of my life if I can no longer get more ammo. It is my desire to pass my weapons and ammo along to my children and or grandchildren . I believe the scenario becomes more and more likely for the future generations.
rexjames1000 that’s a good measure.
I'd never be able to do that but I can see your logic and that scenario most likely will play out with the government.
definitely cannot see this being true. Rights are rights. The difference between rights and authority and then supply is you have a right to manufacture your own ammo as long as you have the funds, supplies and other parts/machinery. stock up on such for emergencies but don't expect to load the stuff unless you have either covered such bases to make such things happen as if you could load them all and use all your ammo. in a big SHTF situation, you'll pack light. your stockpile would be if you ever survived to make it back.
I myself do not stockpile ammo for some imaginary SHTF event! I stockpile ammo because I live in a "nanny-state" and ammo here is as good as gold.....
In a SHTF scenario, it's better than gold.
+GuyLivingOffGrid Sound like the extact words from Mr. Troy Hunters video he made.
+GuyLivingOffGrid I'm sure after watching all these videos that there are many people who believe the opposite. Preppers are divided from the realistic prepping vs Mad Max prepping. And Then you have anti gun people and people in the middle.
+GuyLivingOffGrid Huh?
You need to clarify that a bit. (No, you need to clarify it a *lot*.)
we got to jump through a bunch of hoops/expenses everytime you buy ammo in 2018 in cali. so you will save money when shooting if you stock up before 2018 hits
Folks, keep in mind that in a SHTF scenario you may be forced to bug out, and you have to carry all the ammo...
1,000 rounds not even close. Say after SHTF you still need to practice to keep your skills. Say you shoot 500 rounds every month for practice. Nope 1,000 not even close.
One of the BEST rants on what amount of ammo one might need. That puts me smack dab where I need to be... Realistic and well thought out,.. Well done
Eric K
Thanks for the comment
72 hours is when the shelves will be empty. When people get hungry, they will try to take your food by any means necessary. I have 30 mags of 5.56 and a have dozen mags of 9mm. I reload so I stockpile primers, brass, bullets and powder.
10 mags fully loaded: 300 rds + 1200 rds in can
for my AR
My their is there in no upper limit to ammo or guns. Both are also good for barter
+Thomas Stanley Be aware that bartering items lets others know that you have a stockpile of said items, making you a target.
well i reload my own center fire ammo so i try to keep 2000 rounds for each gun and im wanting to put up around 20000 rounds of 22lr just because its the cal i use to teach the grand kids to shoot with and it helps to keep the shooting skills up to par also great for small game hunting and with the way its been finding 22lr this past 2 years i plan to stock up on as much as i can
Your American flag is hung backwards. Union Blue goes in top left corner.
and what if the earth splits into two and you are on the half that has no ammo?
wdcsucks1
Exactly. WHAT THEN?!
Better store 250,000 rounds in 20 different locations all over the planet just in case
TheLordHumungus Yeah, but what if the half youre on is the upside-down half when the planet splits??? I would think it might be wiser to buy some really strong climbing tethers and attachment points, and always have yourself clipped into the ground. Priorities! Just sayin'
wdcsucks1 Then we're all dead. End of human beings in general.
Send hamsters over to hoard ammo in their cheeks and smuggle it back to your half using habitrail tubing.
If the earth completely splits in half we would all be dead so it wouldn't matter
I just went for 1000 rds per rifle, 500 per pistol
The Immortal That is a nice goal. Unfortunately after watching so many prepper videos, most seem to store more handgun ammo than they do rifle ammo. Which seems odd to me, I would think you would always use carbine or full length rifle in SHTF for its accuracy and power???
Well, I can understand that if it's mostly range ammo. I only store about 200 rds of defensive ammo per gun. The rest is just FMJ. A lot of ball is useful for practice. You want to practice regularly with your handgun since it's the gun you're most likely going to use
***** Thank for your opinion, but I do not think Argentina can compare to the US. Secondly, I use to subscribe to Fernando's YT channel but found most of his stuff inaccurate, in my opinion, perhaps in Argentina where the population density doesn't even come close to the US it would work. Just for me, again ME, I found his channel and thus probably his book, inaccurate in many ways. Also, if you still have a job, most people wouldn't consider that true SHTF, it would be an economic collapse or depression but certainly not a true SHTF. Again, my OPINION.
*****
I agree. What Fernando is describing is more like "hard times". SHTF is more like Iraq with sectarian violence and roving death squads delivering night letters.
*****
The cause is pretty irrelevant. I'm talking about the conditions, and the conditions in Argentina don't even compare to Iraq. People go to work in most countries, though there is a lot of poverty and unemployment in both. What the Iraqis experience is not a high crime rate, but genocide. The gangs in Argentina are a crime problem, not mass graves. It pretty much is real life Mad Max, except Lord Humongous flies a black flag with the Abu Sayef on it.
Thanks man. I agree with you.
Definitely viable to have magazines loaded up and prepared vs cases of ammo stored away.
A modern infantry load is 330 rounds in 11 magazines. (10 on your gear and another 1 in the weapon.) That being said, most grunts always like to carry extras. I generally had an extra ten magazines stashed on my person between extra pouches and my assault pack.
1000 rounds is not really sufficient unless you are a very good shot and don't plan on using suppressive fire. I've burned through the majority of my personal load in a single firefight. Two of those and you're completely out of ammo. If you're stocking 5.56x45 several thousand rounds is not a difficult thing to store. You can easily stash a thousand rounds in a single 50 caliber ammo can.
I'd go with 3000 rounds per shooter for the primary with another 500 per shooter for sidearms. So if you plan to have you and your spouse defending your home. That's 6000 rounds of 5.56x45 and another 1000 of the handgun round of your choice. (I'd go with 9mm.) This gives you a safety margin where you can use ammunition for practice and hunting without any possibility of compromising your idea to defend yourself.
You are absolutely right about magazines. Going back to the formula above, you should have fifteen magazines for each primary weapon and five for each sidearm. That way, you can keep your "OH SHIT" gear ready and still use the remaining magazines for practice and as backups. One thing to remember is that magazines are inherently consumable items. They will get lost, damaged, and outright destroyed. This means that you are better off investing in a bulk pack of GI AR-15 magazines than in half as many fancy Lancer mags. The Lancers are nice, but the GIs will do the same job for half the price. (Which means you can have twice as many.)
pwrserge83 11 magazines!!!? naw man, we had 4 or 5 30 round magazines. The bandoliers only hold 3 mags and we are issued 2 bandoliers.
Drew Mannin What service bro? I had six just riding double stacked on my IMTV. The other four were in two double pouches on my belt.
This has been the best and most practical video on this subject I’ve seen. Thanks!!!
I have more than what you recommend although I am not planning on a 'Mad Max' type scenario. My concern is that production may not restart for a very long time. Ammo will be needed to train kids/grandkids and for them to use if it comes to that. And even if nothing happens buying two and shooting one stockpiles ammo that CAN be bought now for grandkids who may or may not be able to buy it then. That is another issue though. Good video.
Start reloading
I both agree and disagree, it really doesn't matter how much of anything you have, without a way to resupply you will run out of whatever it is. I took my preps to a whole new level because after I realized restocking was the key to any given situation. I began to research food production and preservation, then I moved on to energy production and finally onto ammo. So while I have amended my plans over time I feel I have made better choices that will provide a much greater chance of survival. The best part of everything for myself is that I use my preps every day and continually restock. So there is no magic number for how much of anything that you should have. What you store depends on quite a few things, do you plan to "bug out" ? if so your stores should either be at or near your bug out location or packed up to be easily loaded if or when the time comes. How many people are you supporting? a single persons supplies will last much longer than a family or group of people. Do you live in a urban or rural area? major cities will be overrun by everyone, because everyone that hasn't stored food, water and ammo will be out there looking for anything they can get their hands on. Whereas rural areas generally are less populated and the people that live in these areas are used to being without power longer than people in the cities. They are also more resourceful in producing their own food and usually have a well rather than city water. I have seen many videos that say you should have X number of rounds or this much food and water. The fact is without being able to restock you will run out of what ever you have. I urge everyone to "grow your own" learn about proper food preservation methods and learn the skills that will keep you alive.
As always, as much as you can afford. It never hurts to have extra everything.
This is a good breakdown. I say two combat loads (14 magazines) everything else is for training.
or more
theHighDesertPioneer yes that is a good amount to store. I like at least 10 mags and prefer 20.
Handguns 5-10 mags is fine IMO. Ammo is heavy and unless you don't ever envision a situation you would have to move, over 1000 resist hard to carry.
+theHighDesertPioneer you mean per adult on perimeter, correct?
I like the 3 gun approach, handgun(g19), shotgun (mossberg 500), Rifle (AR). And IMO 500 rnds for handgun (100 jhp and 400 ball) 500 shot gun shells ( assorted) and 1000 rnds of 556 for the AR with 7 30 rnd mags( combat load when i was in the army. I also think its a good idea to have ammo to RELOAD your mags with because you may be in more than 1 firefight over the 3 month to a year period for stability to return after a SHTF senario.
Ammo shortage/bans why i stack it
Erik Manning I agree!
Same
My SOP is 1500 rounds per long gun and minimum 10 mags each and 500-800 per handgun with 5 mags minimum for them
Finally someone who makes sense. I feel the same way but all of these youtube warriors had me second guessing myself.
10 mags fully loaded: 300 rds + 1200 rds in can
for each AR and 5 mags fully loaded 15 rds + 500 rds in each can for each Glock 19 and 5 mags fully loaded: 10 rds + 10,000 rds in can
for each 22 Ruger rifle ;-)
You were close, it is 210 rounds. It is one loaded 30 round mag in rifle, and two separate mag carriers, each holding 3 mags of 30 rounds (90 ttl per carrier) for a grand total of 210. =)
Really good video. And basic combat load for an Infantryman is 7 magazines (210 rnds). That was 2003-2005 when I was in. I carried 11 magazines, plus 30 various types of 40mm (HEDP, Smoke, Illum). 2 hand grenades. 2 flashbangs. And depending on the mission, a SMAW-D and some claymores! I was a walking bomb!
Off topic but your flag is backwards
Harbormaster North Shore no its not
yes it is
nope he can hang it how he likes his flag
doesnt make it right
oh no camcer Sandy . I dont really care. People usually hang flags for a reason. Hanging a flag has meaning and hanging it certain ways has meaning. The field of blue should be up and to the left.
Noone can fight off hordes of any type attackers alone Thinking otherwise is fantasy The best way to survive any serious SHTF is to be part of a group of like minded people That enables you to pol resources
22lr shot placement is the key shoulders up,throat is a great shot,or multiple shots will do you must know what you got and use it effectively.
for a roaming/nomad situation, realistically all you need is enough to load the magazines you'll carry. you'll either be dead or restock after each skirmish (that's if you're using common caliber that is).
for a bunker or homestead situation, as much as you can afford/have space for.
It never ceases to amaze me. Just how much effort people put into weapons and ammo. As if they can carry 500lbs of gear with them. Never mind that only 10% is actual combat in any war. The other 90% is spent putting people back to gather. If they survive. Then feeding them. Housing them and educating them. Not to mention watch your back from people of low moral character that would sell you out in a heart beat.
I got one hunting rifle. One pistol and two box's of ammo for each one. No fancy gadgets that add 7 lbs to them and I know how to use them. One backpack and trauma kit. The dog carries her own su As I figure the stupid ones will bring their stuff to me.
I agree with your point about mags vs ammo, this is why I have a few dozen mags loaded for my main rifle. I also keep all my extra ammo on stripper clips so I can use 3 clips to load a mag much faster then doing it by hand or with a loader that loads one round at a time.
If you store 1000 rounds and you have actually fired 900 of those defending your house, it may be time to think about relocating.
I do 800 rounds for my AK my main weapon I shoot all surplus i have after that 1500 rounds of .22 cause you never know 300 rounds of .223 because i have one and 500 rounds of .45 I have a carbine and my side arm is .45 thats it i dont need anymore then that because that's what i can carry who needs more then what they can carry . The point is anything you cant take with you if you have to leave is a waste it is just that simple .6 mags per gun is my rule because yes if it is in the box it isnt ready to use I have other needs food water ETC.
I've gone over this same discussion many times, with my situation and my guns I boiled it down to some comfortable minimums, then doubled the #'s
4,000 .223
1,000 12ga. 00 Buck
500 12ga. Slugs
2,000 9mm
2,000 .45 ACP
2,000 .308 WIN
20,000 .22LR
I think that people forget that ammo will be like gold , and a great thing to barter with. .22lr will be one of the top , along with 9mm, .308, and .223/5.56.You might as well add 12 gauge . This of course if its a shtf that last several months or more.
If you live in a neighborhood with alot of blacks, you should prepare for what you call "mad max" scenarios
@22lr1911GSG LA riots x10 with all the racial tension
Just a thought. I shoot on a regular basis to keep proficiency. I stock up very large amounts of ammunition not so much or SHTF but if there is an ammo shortage or restriction. I can still practice and have plenty for defense or even barter if needed. Thanks
Good advice on bulking up on the .22LR. The S&W M&P 15-22 rifle looks just like an AR so you can use some deception to make it look like you have a centerfire rifel.. If someone is spraying .22LR at me I'm gonna dig a whole and get low just as if it was a .223. A .22 Lr wound in shtf scenario is going to be problematic so its still very intimidating. Granted its hitting power isnt as hard but where possible I would always plan shooting in quick three round bursts to try to get a couple of hits at a time.
I've watched a few of your vids now, and I really like your common sense approach to things. Glad I subscribed!
Darque Ronin
Thanks for watching
our main combat load out was 800 rds 9 30 rd loaded 4 mags 9mm and carried the extras in our ALCE packs
Myself and a friend try to think outside of the box on defense issues. Ammo is good, but you need to consider other options. 300ft Mortars (fireworks) would be a great weapon. 100ft diameter explosion, 300ft high capable. Bright flash for (my) visual bearing/locating, also could damage NVG people. Low flying aircraft. shoot one into a mob of people, it becomes all sorts of chaos. Might be expensive, but every new years and July 4th, buy more and use last years stock to keep stock fresh. Fireworks in general can be of great value. Caltrops (for footmen, and vehicles), go to a country club yard sale. Pick up a 5gal bucket of golfballs. $5-10. Get some nails. Thin wirey ones, and thick heavy ones. Drill small holes into balls, hammer nails in making a spike ball. Paint with relevant camo (leaf, dirt road, pavement, grass) and store. Loads of ideas if you take the time to think of ways to stop people from accessing you. One mortar could save you hundreds of rounds of ammo.
A little off subject but do you know the flag behind you is hung wrong? When the flag is hung vertically against a wall the stars, or the union, are still supposed to be in the top left.
The standard US infantry load is 210 rounds (seven 30-round magazines), but soldiers have been known to carry two or even three times as many if they expect to get involved in a prolonged fight where resupply would be difficult or not very timely. They don't usually go through all 210 rounds--or for that matter even one full magazine--although there have been prolonged firefights in which individuals have fired over 1000 rounds (through their rifles, not machine guns), in which case they were undoubtedly resupplied, perhaps several times. While such cases are rare, they do happen, and for preppers in a SHTF situation, we're potentially talking about months or even years without resupply--the situations are most likely rather different, but with time as an additional factor, the number of rounds becomes more comparable.
Personally, I think it's unlikely that I would have to fire many--if indeed any--rounds even in a serious SHTF scenario, but this is something I would rather have and not need than need and not have. As with even soldiers, there is no perfect answer for how many are needed, but since I maintain a small stockpile--a few thousand rounds that I buy while they're cheap--anyway, I think that should cover even the least likely scenarios, let alone the most likely. The real question is how much I'd be willing to carry should I need to bug out, but because I like to be prepared I'd try to carry as many as I can. Honestly, I don't think that a serious SHTF scenario is likely to happen in my lifetime, but being prepared is what I'm all about, so I won't ignore that possibility or the possibility that I might just need a few thousand rounds.
While ammo count and magazine totals are important the one thing I think always gets lost in the mix is this.IF I get into a firefight post SHTF and I fire even half the rounds I am carrying I am probably going to die anyway,so putting away 20K rounds is ridiculous. So say I have a full double battle load out of 12-14 loaded magazines,If this is the standard i carry every time I go out then I need to have double that amount in magazines because eventually the mags I use will become unusable over time with wear .I am sure I can repair them to a point but eventually they will need to be replaced.Bottom line is this YOU have as much as YOU feel you NEED and don't let anyone else dictate to you what is best for YOU.
When I attended gunsmithing school, one important point brought out to consider in ammunition storage is barrel life...for most rifles other than heavy calibers like 300 win mag, 338 Lapua and 50 BMG, 3000 rounds out of the barrel begins to affect accuracy... my guess is that 10,000 rounds would be an upper limit... (the aforementioned heavier calibers have generally a thousand round upper limit)... for handguns, Glock used to advertise that theirs with the barrel tennifer finish would be good for 200,000 +- virtually a lifetime supply...ALSO CRITICAL TO CONSIDER, while you maintain your skill level through regular practice [and keep a rough record for proper maintenance of barrel life etc], is spare parts that wear out- like springs for example, and a repair manual for each of your firearms, with a limited number of the tools necessary to maintain them...FINALLY, DON'T FORGET patches and cleaning/lubricating oil to keep your firearms ALWAYS READY...
well, if you had several people to cover each other then fine having only a few mags loaded, but alone or with minimal people better to have plenty. I agree about not being a major onset, but, having it and not needing it sounds better than the other way around.
1-2000 rounds per caliber is a good number. Remember you may have to pass a rifle to family/friends whenever they wake up out of Candyland. Also, we live in Florida where animals are dangerous also(Gators, Pythons, bears, panthers, and lazy people who have spent their earnings on fruitless investments). More importantly are the mags to boot. Great Bids Brother. #CarryOn
My main gun is 22 lr bolt action, second gun is 12 ga singleshot with adapters, mostly my guns is for survival hunt and self defence.
Don't forget that ammo is good currency in a SHTF scenario; when paper money is now toilet paper, and survivors have to rely on barter, lots of extra ammo is nice to have for that purpose. Another youtuber I just saw suggested 3000 rounds for your primary, 3k for your sidearm, 500-1k for your long range hunting rifle, 1k-2k shotgun, and 2k-3k .22lr, and everything else is gravy, and good currency if you run low on rations, medicine, or whatever. I heard of some people that like having 100k rounds of varying caliber or more. This might be fine if you plan on never relocating, and gives you tons to barter with, but it's useless if you gotta bug out(which is very likely in a major population center).
Has no one noticed that the American flag is displayed incorrectly? Whether hung vertically or horizontally the field of blue should be in the upper left hand corner. Be prepared of course, but please respect our flag!
I don’t think you can have enough ammo... just keep buying it till you run out of room to store it
2 reasons to stockpile as much ammo as you can. First, if you can't purchase it or get the materials needed to reload it, you will eventually run out of it. You will never know the amount of time you will be without it. Second reason, is that if SHTF, ammunition will become a form of currency. You will be able to trade it for essential items, and the harder it is to come across, the more valuable it becomes in trade.
How about ammo for trading? Is it worth having some extra to use as currency?
David Perry
Here's my thoughts on the subject: th-cam.com/video/Qop0ImLckR4/w-d-xo.html
+David Perry----Of course you can use ammo for barter. Why not? I would tend to want to keep it myself though. You don't want to run out of ammo. It's heavy and cumbersome and you need the room to hide-store it though.
I think cheap cartons of cigarettes will be good bartering tools. Use them by the pack to barter, people will be stressed and wanting a cigarette really badly.
Oops, sorry! I just noticed the person above me already said that!
I've always thought minimum of 200 rds per pistol and shotgun and 1000 rds per rifle. If you think you will survive 20 fire fights, you're dreaming.
When it comes to how much ammo you WILL ACTUALLY NEED in one of these SHTF situations I agree your thoughts on how much ammo to store. Where we part ways is when it comes to practice ammo. No weapon is worth a damn unless you are good enough with it to literally bet your life. This will require practice. I stock pile all the ammo I have room for so that during dry spells (remember 2008) I can still keep my skill set current. Outside of practice ammo, I have 2000 rounds for my rifle and enough magazines for 500 rounds. Outside of practice ammo for my pistol, I have about 3000 rounds and enough mags for 100 rounds. As far as practice ammo, I have enough to carry me through another 2008 type dry spell. I also reload so that keeps the cost controllable. The lions share of my prepping efforts however, are actually focused toward food, water, medical care, and if I am forced to evacuate my home some type of shelter.
Barter is a good reason to have a bunch.
The single most important skill in a shft scenario is the ability to deal with other people with tact, diplomacy and the right amount of suspicion.
If you need a gun too often, you'll end up getting shot. It's the law of probability.
I keep it simple: 22LR and 9mm. I have a couple of 22 pistols, a couple of 22 rifles and a couple of 9mm pistols. I have a 32 mouse gun for EDC, but I wear a suit and there are wardrobe issues. I'd hate to have a 45 or 357 and a stash of ammo and have the gun break. Now I'm screwed. So I have redundancy in my weapons and ammo. As for amount, 1k rounds of each sounds good.
Minor point: The flag behind you should have the stars in the top left position.
I have thought about how, if you were in that scenario where you are in your home, shooting it out with " bad guys"... Wouldn't it be easy for the " bad guys" to just throw a few fire bombs on your home, then you are S.O.L. in your home with all your ammunition burning to death. Or shot dead because you ran out of your burning shit and into the waiting horde. Good video, and sound logic.
Ispowz17751975 The use of fire depends on the motivation of the "bad guys' If they want your food, tools, ammo, guns ect.
They can't light your house on fire to get these things.
If your shooting it out with the bad guys because you killed some of their crew and they are out for revenge, yeah sure they can pretty easily light the house on fire.
I think in a STHF scenario its very important to be polite and not to piss anyone off. And if its unavoidable that your going to piss some one off, put a bullet in them first.
Because unless you got a large group and easily defendable area, one determined person can ruin your day.
Minimum of 1000 rounds for each firearm you own.
I think a lot has to do with location too. I'm 60 miles outside of large city. I feel 2500 rds per main gun will be needed. 1000 for secondary rifles, 500-1000 for each handgun. If I lived 200 miles from a major city, then less is needed.
Ammo could be a nice barging chip. I was buying bulk ammo with the feeling I couldn't get enough so I decided to buy a few reloading presses for a number of calibers I own including 12ga and 20ga shotgun 9mm 223. I figured in a shtf situation I'll be sitting in a bunker with a lot of time on my hands to reload lol.
Something that I think should be considered that I didn't hear mentioned is ammo for training. I would say 1000 is a minimum for protecting yourself, but ammo to keep your skills sharp should be increased based on how long the disaster is believed to last. I would suggest at least 1000 rounds per year for training. That is right around 80 rounds per month for training.
spot on in my opinion. Really appreciate your no BS approach, you tube is over run with comment experts but you open each conversation on solid ground. I feel ammo is money when shtf, as are many other items. having enough personal stash and extra for bartering wouldn't be unwise, so prep according to your budget and room to safely store your treasure. I agree with you on several points but mainly this...2k worth of 5.56 in boxes won't help much when someone screams "I need a fresh mag!"
The Army has a load out of approx. 200rds per infantryman because that is what they expect to use in a typical heavy firefight per man. I have been in a few of these, back in the day, and we were re-supplied by air within 15 min. Post SHTF, you may not be able to reload casings or obtain reloads for YEARS. Time is THE factor in your preps. 1000 rds of rifle ammo may not last a year, or even a month if things go hot. Get what you want, and store it. The guy means well in the video, but go with your instincts, not some one else advice.
Honestly I just stick pile for if some reason we get emp”d or electricity goes out and would need to hunt and protect our farm but I’m not exactly sure how that number would look like
you may not need more than a few ready mags in whatever scenario but a case is extremely shy. It is too cheap to limit yourself . Get a couple cases to back up you loaded mags may be a bit more prudent approach.
Realistically, it would be what ever you can afford out of your budget.. Then prioritized based on your specific needs, number of people being armed, types of guns, number of guns and magazines, and storage solutions... Then emergency and survival scenarios on top of the minimal core amount..
Pick up some body armor if you can.. Level IIIA+ is affordable nowadays.. Although that leads to plate carriers and other load bearing gear needed..
Pick up first aid supplies.. Gauze, bandages, tourniquets, are all cheap and don't go bad, if you do your job.. And it isn't too expensive.. There's quik clot, but they have a shelf life, so some planning there is needed.. Although making a complete first aid kit can be expensive..
Survival gear that can double as camping gear.. Camping stoves, lanterns, sleeping bags, fire making materials, good quality lights and knives, water filters and other purification methods, extra blankets and pillows, and everything else can make a shitty situation a lot more comfortable..
Small luxury and personal items such as candy, books, portable dvd player, batteries, playing cards, camera, portable solar charger if you can afford, etc..
Simple things like extra socks and underwear/boxers... Shoes and boots.. Clothing in general..
And of course, some food, water, medicines needed..
Sorry if I'm rambling and going a bit off topic, but it all makes a complete package to HOPEFULLY preserve the quality of life during one of the emergency scenarios possible..
I look at ammo as an investment and also buy plenty of mags have about 20 for the AK another 20 for the AR and 40 for the UZI can never have too many mags.
If a person is in an environment where he needs 1000 rounds to defend himself, he'll most likely get shot before he uses them all up.
Very smart advice. I agree with most points and I have only 6 caliber of weapons in my collection. Pistols and carbines are all 40 s&w. All weapons fire the same caliber. Military redundancy
I have 1000 rounds plus per weapon in storage. Another 300+ loaded in mags
For a young man you are wise to say this, however if I'm listening correctly you are talking about individual squimishes.Provided you live through your encounter one must have ammo to replenish the spent mags., I don't think there is a magic number you can put on ammo. My old brain seems to work little different and I purchase ammo when ever I go to town to shop. Without putting a specific number out there I will say that my stores have been accumilating for many years. I have a multitude of calibers, from hunting rifles, revolvers, semi auto pistols, my trusty AR 15 and my favorite plinker is my 10-22 Ruger. Again you are correct the military normally carries a couple hundreds rounds as for me I have 10 30 round mags loaded and ready to go for my AR, 4 20 round mags and 10 10 round mags all neatly tucked away in my backpack ready to rock and roll. If I go through that I picked the wrong fight to be in.
I would think a couple different guns and mix up ammo for the family guns, if you need some extras for each gun. Some families do shooting matches and use lots of ammo.
extra ammo could be used for barter.my extra ammo would be shotshells & 22lr.
+Robert Barbour That's what I was thinking. I've got so much shotgun ammo that I can barely lift it all at once. And I don't plan on using it all on bad guys.
Agree, when I was in the 2/9th. inf, when we went on patrol we were issued 9 30 round mags. 270 rounds. people who store up 5000 rounds and more will most likely be dead before that will ever get used. then the enemy will have it. Am looking at the number of 2000 rounds. but if you have the money, go for it.
If you're prepping for a major event then 1,000 is good. If you're prepping for years, multiple events, ammo shortages, target practice then I'd get double the amount you typically use multiplied by the length of time you want to cover. If you shoot 1,000 9mm a year and want to be prepared for 5 years then have 10,000 rounds.
I like your view points! ! My biggest concern is that if / when the shtf, I will probably be at work! ! Lol
You should have as much ammo as you can afford. Ammo will be excellent for bartering.
I would be really wary of giving ammo to anybody.
I am new to your channel like your concise format. and again thanks for the ideas
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Ammunition is multiple purpose. Protection, food procurement, and bartering. Can't really have too much. But even as important as ammo, is having the proper amound of MAGAZINES to go with the ammunition. 10,000 rnds. doesn't help in a firefight if all u have is 2 or 3 mags. Besides guns/ammo, medical supplies will be in competition for the most sought after items to have
All my main weapon ammo is loaded in mags already, l also have mags set aside for practice/recreational shooting. I also have some ammo set aside for barter material if absolutely necessary
Great Video... I have a number of weapons as I will probably have to arm other people. I figure 4 magazines for each handgun and 8-12 for each rifle. I feel 500 rds of ammo for each handgun is plenty, as they are secondary weapons. I feel each rifle needs 1200-1500 per weapon. If that is not enough we are in the wrong area and need to bug out.
It depends if you plan to fire it or trade it or do both.
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At least 5 gallons per pistol.
I would say 2000 to 3000 rounds per main battle rifle then the same amount again in a secondary location. Most soldiers carry extra mags and will have 300 to 330 rounds on them. One thing to remember is it is likely that it is going to be yourself and maybe one other person defending a position from an attacking force 3 to 6 times greater than yourself. You can easily be sending two to three times the suppressive ammo down range than an average soldier who operates as a larger team. Anything over 3000 rounds stored just for defense then you are starting to waste money since the chance of still being alive is getting very slim if the same quantity is being fired back. Money better spent will be on body armor and a good trauma kit and training. You can stockpile more than the 3000 rounds for training and trading purposes after other preps have been secured. If you really want peace of mind you could go to 5000 rounds at your primary location. I would also say to have at least enough magazines to have at least 1500 rounds already loaded up. In a perfect world you could have enough mags to load all your ammo up in. In combat mags are disposable expect to lose at lease half of them.
I agree with much of what you said. But coming from a larger family, it's essential to have more than a 1,000 rounds, I have 5 -10 possible people that would be in my party. 5 alone are immediate family. 1,000 rounds would yes give each person 200 rounds, but honestly in any situation that you are describing, it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Just food for thought for you to include in your next video, people with multiple persons in their party thus require more ammo. And 6 -8 magazines per person. Just my 2 cents brotha, good video!
+BlackSabbathGuy
yeah the 1000 i mentioned would be per person.
+BlackSabbathGuy My standard load was 210 rifle rounds when I was in the Army. Though I've never used more than 2 magazines in a firefight, I see no reason to do things any differently. I'm not as concerned about how many rounds I have as I am about being able to hit my target. That's why so much of my ammo is 12 gauge. I still have to aim but it rarely ever takes more than 1 or 2 rounds to drop someone with a 12 gauge.
:Question how much ammo and magazines do i need?
:Answer as much as you can afford.
Good info. I really liked your statement about having a Mission Statement. That is something I have yet to do. Sit down and think it through and then transfer that into a written plan and turn that into a process planned event. Thanks!
I think you need more ammo saved up not just for battles but incase ammo gets scarce maybe you wany to practice shooting for the next few years ?
I think your spot on with your thought about realistic stockpiles and for cost savings. One thing I see people overlook is the training aspect of firearms. It is a perishable skill. You are not a sniper one day and years down the line without practice able to shoot the same way. My point is add to your stockpile equation practice ammo. Not just 22lr practice either. Staying in practice with 22lr is better than none but it's nowhere near the same as center fire practice. If you truly believe your life is in the balance why would you neglect that aspect of firearms ownership?
Not crazy what if scenarios, storing for barter, storing rounds for guns you don't have in case you acquire one, or a buddy shows up without ammo.
Ive got around 20k rounds for 308,223,30-06,12ga and 30-40k of 22lr and about 5k of 40cal
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Standard combat load for a rifleman is 210 rounds or 7 mags but you usually have 5 to 10 people who have at least that much as well, so maybe 10 times that for a stationary position both for practice and for others who happen to be with you cause you never know how many people will be with you when shtf so be prepare to a certain point
very nice videos. I agree. the exception I might make is more magazines for my main handgun Springfield xdm 45 which I have seven 16 round. thanks for the grat videos
1500rnds per defensive rifle, 500rnds per defensive sidearm, 600rnds 12ga and 5k .22cal on average for me. I don't purchase plinking ammo outside of the .22 given I practice with what I carry for defense or have for home defense.
If it gets bad enough that you need more than a couple thousands rounds then more than likely you will need to relocate in a hurry which may result in leaving excess ammo for the enemy.
Great points. The most of 1 kind of any ammo I have is 1000. As long as I keep it over 500 I don't have a problem pulling from that for practice. I can't see a realistic situation where I'll need more than that never mind 10,000 that some ppl think to seem in necessary.